RETROACTIVE END OF BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP FOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGALS AND TEMPORARY VISA HOLDERS!
>>525825333CHECKEDMAKE IT SO
Oral arguments for Barbara v. Trump to be scheduled within the next month with the ruling itself not expected until late June or early July.
>>525825333>retroactiveNot gonna happen. They'll reverse birthright citizen but retroactive is never gonna happen.
>>525825699You are coping, nigger.SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions are retroactive by default because to argue otherwise would be to argue that SCOTUS has the power to amend the constitution. Which of course, they don't!
>>525825954I'd like to see retroactive too but it's not going to happen. They never do retroactive shit because it violates due process or something
>>525825333GET FUCKEDGO BACKYOU DO NOT BELONG HERE>GET FUCKED>GO BACK>YOU DO NOT BELONG HEREGET FUCKEDGO BACKYOU DO NOT BELONG HERE>GET FUCKED>GO BACK>YOU DO NOT BELONG HEREGET FUCKEDGO BACKYOU DO NOT BELONG HERE>GET FUCKED>GO BACK>YOU DO NOT BELONG HERE
>>525826060>let me tell you how SCOTUS worksYou aren't even American, niggerStop telling people how SCOTUS works when you have no idea.SCOTUS rulings on Constitutional Questions are retroactive by default, SCOTUS can limit that retroactivity in their Majority Opinions but they are ALL retroactive by default dating back to the date when the amendment or clause was ratified.
I am white and I believe that latinobros should not have their birthright citizenship rescinded
>>525825954Except they do and have done so
>>525825333>>525825954What about Reagan's amnesty, its chain migration, births, and intramarriage? That would be the majority of California. Can they ammendment that next, retroactively?
>>525825333If you don't support ICE, then you're an anti-Semite. Simple as that.
>>525826509*ammend or repeal.
>>525825333The fundamental issue is whether the rich can import slaves to undermine labor and under what terms are they allowed to destroy the social and actual environment with human pollution for profit. Do they get to stay or do they get to be second class resident-non-citizens who will be even more apt to replace natives or do they completely disallowed to remain.
>>525826429you can go with them.
What does the Supreme Court do when they're not in the headlines? They should be cranking out rulings constantly.
>>525826429Bye, stupid nigger. Bye-bye
>>525826429>I am white and I support mass replacement migration and the raping of white women and children everywherelollmfao even
>>525826207I know a lot about SCOTUS, more than you probably
>>525827889>Believes that SCOTUS has the power and authority to Amend the ConstitutionYou don't know shit about SCOTUSYou are an ignorant, non-American.
>>525825333>FOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGALS AND TEMPORARY VISA HOLDERS!aren't they all just going to marry the white women they are dating and it becomes a moot point?
i think i was an anchor baby in the 80s, my parents were uni students. they are citizens now, but lets say this passes and retroactively my citizenship gets revoked, i wont be a citizen of any country because my "home" nation doesnt allow dual citizenship and i had to give that up.nigga ill be a true npc
>>525825333Heinously, Historically and Retroactively BASEDBASEDFUCKING BASED. HOLY SHITE ERYONE REMEMBERS THE FUCKING STORIES. OH I AMERICAN CITIZEN BECAUSE I WAS BORN HEREBOTH PARENTS ILLWGAL!THERE ARE PEODUCTIVE IMMIGRANTS, THEN THERE ARE LEECHES ON THE SYSTEM DESIGNED TO HELP US THE FUCKING CITIZENS OR PEOPLE THAT REALLY WANT TO BE!THERE IS NO SAFETY NET FOR MOST AMERICAN CITIZENS!YET SOME DO THEIR RESEARCH PURPOSEFULLY TO EXPLOIT IT FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FRIENDS.FUCK THAT SHIT!
GOD FUCKING DAMN
>>525828230Don't worry about thatSCOTUS already made a ruling in 2025 that allows those in your situation to be deported to "Third Party Nations" which is pretty any nation on the planet willing to take (You).
>>525825333100% this will end in ultra-violence. There's just no way it won't. Imagine being one of the anchor babies that are about to be, effectively, dehumanized. Would you let yourself go quietly into an ICE vehicle like a head of cattle? No of course not. These items are going to organize and there's eventually guns be a battle with automatic weapons. Screencap this now and remember to send me a cut of your polymarket winnings. There's just no possible scenario this does not end violently.
>>525828417>dehumanized>one is only considered human if they have American citizenshipwhat did he mean by this?
>>525828417nah i'll take a plane fight out before that, shieet
>>525825333It can't be "retroactive" if it never existed.
>>525825333Trump's mother was an illegal without green card. Orange king migger will be deported back to fucking Israel lmao.
>>525828377well fuck that, i'll take a plane flight out back "home" and enlist and start the citizenship process there i guess
>>525825333Holy Digits!
>>525825333Trips of truth.Pewsting en le ebben fred.
>>525828417if ICE showed up i'd go with them. id ask them if i can pack my bags first, maybe even get a notice instead so i can pack my bags, close up shop, say my goodbyes, prepare a pass port and book a flight out on my own.if they said no, id go with them cus i dont feel like dying
>>525825333Tim Walz is beyond cooked. He is the fish you leave on the hook next to the boat so you can catch the whole school.
silver lining in this if i lose my citizenship, at least my one vote for obama is revoked, but so are my two votes for trump.i voted for this, niggas
>>525827889I love people who claim to be experts while spouting bullshit that no expert would every type because its so retarded and wrong
>>525828056>No, the U.S. Supreme Court does not normally retroactively remove rights or privileges from people when it finds a law or constitutional interpretation faulty and reverses it. While the traditional common-law principle holds that judicial decisions apply retroactively—meaning they are treated as if the new interpretation was always the law—the Court has increasingly limited retroactivity since the 1960s to protect reliance interests, prevent disruption, and ensure fairness. This is especially true in cases involving the overruling of precedents that had granted or expanded rights, where changes are often applied prospectively (to future cases) or only to cases still open on direct review, rather than undoing past actions or benefits.oh look, the foreigner was right.
>>525829330still, they dont have to. i know my citizenship relies on the SCOTUS ruling. it's not off the table.im glad i didnt buy property yet.
>>525829330>AI sloplook at the cope from this niggerHe can't even write his own responses he had to go to pozzed jewgle AI to get his answer.>Constitutional interpretation faultyThere is no ruling on Clause 1 of the 14th amendment in regards to illegal aliens or temporary visa holders, the only one that exists is Wong Kim Ark and that was about a narrow class of "Permanent Residents" which the modern equivalent would be the "Permanent Resident Status Holders" (Green Card). >While the traditional common-law principle holds that judicial decisions apply retroactivelyExactly. Thanks for agreeing with me.
>>525826518Okay?
>>525825333CHECKED. AND WERE JUST GETTING STARTED. SHITSKIN SUBHUMANA GET FUCKED
>>525829650SCOTUS rulings are not common law, dipshit. even i know that.
>>525826207You motherfucker, I saw you post the same shit with a Canadian flag and you became a belligerent retard when you got BTFO.
>>525829785>>525829884You are coping, niggers
>>525829650>There is no ruling on Clause 1 of the 14th amendment in regards to illegal aliens or temporary visa holdersYes, and birthright citizenship is unconstitutional. That doesn't mean SCOTUS is going to strip citizenship from tens of millions of people. There's 0% chance of that happening because basically NO landmark ruling in the past 20 years have applied retroactively.If you don't want to utilize AI you could just search for the answer on Google, which is going to say the exact same thing.
>>525829942>generallyBTFO
>>525829953Jewgle tells me that rulings are retroactive>>525829942
>>525829942>>525829953it could happen, i'm not going to rule it out.
>>525825333THOSE DIGITS
>>525825954Bill of Rights expressly forbids retroactive application of law to past crimes. There is a high likelihood at best we will only get the end of granting future birth right citizenship claims.
>>525830063Give me an example from the 2000's where rights or privileges were retroactively stripped to huge swathes of people.
>>525825333white is the colour of death. when life force leaves a body it becomes white. whites aren’t living beings.
>>525830276SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions are retroactive by default however, they can limit how far back that retroactivity applies so long as they justify it and explicitly state it in their majority opinion.SCOTUS just as in Griffith v. Kentucky, Montgomery v. Louisiana, and even Obergefell v. Hodges can create a class through their majority opinions.In Griffith they created the class "all defendents with non-final convictions"In Montgomery the class was "all juveniles subjected to an unconstitutional punishment"In Obergefell it was "all same sex couples whose marital status was denied legal recognition"In Trump v. Barbara a class that SCOTUS could create in their majority opinion would be "all children born to illegals or temporary visa holders starting from (this date)"
>>525830262>>525830276it could still happen regardless. there is no appeal after a SCOTUS ruling. it all depends on how MAGA or ULTRA MAGA the SCOTUS wants to rule.
>>525830431you eat poop.
>>525830514i eat sattvik food. you’re a meat eater therefore you eat poop. you’re coloured and therefore among the living. congratulations.
>>525830702i eat meat.you eat poop.
>justice taney does dred scotthis gonna be goood
>>525830439>SCOTUS rulings on constitutional questions are retroactive by default however, they can limit how far back that retroactivity applies so long as they justify it and explicitly state it in their majority opinion.Yes, that's what I mean. Theoretically it always applies retroactively but that's just not going to happen in cases like this and hasn't happened for decades. The court can justify this by any means basically, but Grok says that>"The Court often invokes equitable principles (e.g., laches or estoppel) to avoid retroactive application that would unfairly strip privileges or cause widespread harm. This includes considering whether parties reasonably relied on the prior ruling, as in tax or property cases."
>>525830791enjoy it, you full citizenship mofuckas. my anchor baby ass getting deported
>>525830750meat has poop. congratulations you are a shiteater.
>>525830882>AI slopIf you want to speak to me then use your own words, if you just spit out AI slop then there is effectively no difference between me talking to (You) and me just inserting prompts into some pozzed AI slop generator.
Ready? The US has been ready for this for 160 years
>>525825333Ex Post Facto laws are Unconstitutional, but SCOTUS no longer worries about. the Constitutionality of things!!
>>525830996meat has poop... in india.i eat meat.you eat poop.
>>525831147if a law isn't constitutional then it isn't law, the 14th amendment isn't even a legitimate amendment to the constitution, let alone its application to illegal shitskin junglebunnies
>>525828494>the sins of the father are the sins of the sonbetter get paying them reparations whitie
here's a silver lining for white women - pol's favorite asian waifus could be deported too.>suddenly liberals support the SCOTUS ruling to revoke citizenship retroactively
>>525831016There's a zero percent chance SCOTUS will retroactively strip tens of millions of people of citizenship and they're going to refer to some jew shit about fairness and reliability on the laws etc. Idiots in the thread will be sad when the ruling comes down.>muh AI slopI'm not wasting my time digging through thousands of jew rulings just to give you the same answer in different words. People dumb enough not to know how to use LLMs should be culled.
>>525831219meat has poop everywhere. i eat sattvik food. it has no poop everywhere. you ear meat which makes you a shiteater. congratulations.
>>525831476>offloads all of his thinking to pozzed AI Slop generators>calls me "stupid" for not doing the samepottery
>>525831601your plants grow in poop, checkmate atheists
>>525831601>meat has poop everywhereit sure does. in india.you eat poop. i eat meat.
>>525828494Access to white people is a human right chud
>>525825333>feel remoralized over this thing that won’t happen goyim No. I don’t get remoralized about anything until it’s already come to pass. Fuck off
>>525831476i mean it would be a massive, maybe temporary hit to the taxpayer base revenue to strip citizenship of tens of millions of current Americans. so there is a practical matter at hand too.
>>525831714>it sure does. in india.you eat meat. meat has poop everywhere which includes us of a. ergo you eat poop. therefore you are shiteater. congratulations.>>525831683some plants grow in poop but all plants have poop
>>525831968>meat has poop everywhereit sure does. in india.you eat poop.i eat meat.
>>525832147>i eat meatyou eat meat. meat has poop everywhere which includes us of a. ergo you eat poop. therefore you are shiteater. congratulations.
>>525825333If they get rid of birthright citizenship, the "anchor baby" can't import their entire village. I'd take that W. But the LEGAL immigrants still can do so. And their always the possibility some cuck (like Reagan) will come along and do mass amnesty. So I don't have much hope.
>>525832338Something that can be granted can be taken away by the same office. If Reagan can grant amnesty Trump can retroactively denaturalize every anchor baby.
>>525832287nah. you eat poop. i eat meat.
>>525831615>you're wrong because, y-you just are!!!my god you people are stupid. have fun when the ruling comes down
>>525832338that brings up another point. if the anchor baby was legal at the time citizenship was granted, was citizenship illegally obtained after SCOTUS revokes birthright citizenship?
>>525832492>i eat meatmeat has poop. therefore you eat poop. you are shiteater. congratulations.
>>525832338Reagan granted amnesty to get californian courts to stop illegally granting amnesty to illegals, it didn't work
>>525832511>you're wrong(You) didn't say anything, (You) never presented an argument, (You) never engaged in any discussion. All (You) did was spit out pozzed AI slop that I tore to shreds.Your AI slop was wrong, I showed why it was wrong, and (You) were too low IQ to understand my words - which is why you turn to AI slop in the first place.
>>525831257Good thing the only thing that matters is whos interpreting it. So it really doesn't matter what the fuck the constitution says.
>>525825333>trips of truth. bless you anon. may the shitskin thirdword purge begin and we return to our old glory.
>>525833180Well the correct interpretation of the 14th amendment is: >Hello, is this thing on? This is the Union, we won the Civil War and we're now forcing the Southern States with puppet governments to accept the 14th amendment. It's completely illegal what we're doing and passing here, we're essentially giving citizenship to black slaves so that we can rig southern elections with them. We will erroneously call this period of great financial and legal fraud "Reconstruction", which will fail within the decade with puppet governments fleeing north
Another major SCOTUS case this session is Louisiana v. Callais which would see the removal of Black Congressional Districts which were created under the Voting Rights Act to make it so niggers could elect niggers into congress.If SCOTUS rules correctly on this case then the amount of niggers in congress could drop by as much as 50% or more!
>>525825699You are correct.If only because applying that retroactively is impossible in practice. It would strip citizenship from millions of Americans of all ages and stations, while giving no clear answer to where those Americans should be deported as most of them won't have a secondary citizenship.It would also affect way to many within the police and military, making any attempt to enforce it retroactively a risky gamble that could lead to civil war and a break down of our armed forces.It will be applied for future cases and that has to do.
>>525834308>won't have secondary citizenshipSCOTUS already solved that issue in their 2025 ruling last year.
>>525833603
>>525834483That doesn't make it any better.Imagine telling military intelligence officers with decades of service to go back to China or whatever and taking all their US secrets with them. Or any industry you can think of.Wikijewpia and Jewgle are telling me there are an estimated 30 million birthright citizens in this country. Many of these have kids of their own who would also be illegal now.How are we going to deport 10% of the entire country without apocalyptic amounts of disruption and civil wars?
>>525834613
>>525825333>RETROACTIVENo balls that orange nigger wont
>>525825333Checked. You guys have been hyping this retroactive shit so much despite constantly being told that it's impossible that I'm starting to hope that it's actually real. If it doesn't apply retroactively I'll be thoroughly disappointed
>>525825333Witnessed, I voted for that.
>>525834949there's no way it will be retroactive, I just think it's funny we're basically like "yeah half the population basically isn't american"
>>525834308>It would strip citizenship from millions of Americans of all ages and stationslol>while giving no clear answer to where those Americans should be deported as most of them won't have a secondary citizenship.lmao
>>525835036>half the populationNice exaggeration Paco, but you still have to go back :)
>>525835036>"yeah half the population basically isn't american"Coincidentally that half is also 95%+ nonwhite
>>525835144*Uncoincidentally most of them aren't protestant. Staaaange
>>525834898Because despite your pilpul that 10% is mostly on welfare.
>>525834938Kek saved
>>525834898dude if my citizenship is revoked im just gonna leave. im not gonna fight or protest, just gonna pack my bags and leave.
>>525825333how did I know?
>>525835058Funny, right?You know what's even funnier? People like me who got naturalized would still be allowed here, while I watch people born here and working all their lives here getting hauled onto planes to Honduras despite only speaking English.Yeah I'm one of those "legal immigrant" sacred cows your president and Elon Musk rave on about. Not a jeet, but still. I could legally join ICE and deport actual Americans from their own country if the SC does the funnies.
>>525825333Would be beyond Based
>>525835451>deport actual Americans>gypsy people who live on welfare and destroy everything around them actively seeking to create favelas
>>525835451yes because you personally went through legal process, where as my anchor baby ass never did.let me pack my bags and buy my ticket out.
>>525835232>Source: My faggy hairy assThe fucking gall to accuse others of pilpul and then proceeding to outright lie.
>>525825333scotus has proven itself unreliable and illegitimate in its support of a fascist theocratic capture of the US and its system of ostensible checks and balanceswe need reform now and we need to STOP TOLERATING FAITH
>>525825333Total anchor great-great grandbaby deportation incoming, now I must decide between Ireland or Bohemia but I don't think either exist anymore.
>>525835795i wont be doing that. im still a citizen for now, and being traitor just isnt in my character.
>>525836068>traitorthen why are you supporting traitors?
>>525835638Just fucking weird how I've got more compassion for people living here than their "fellow countrymen". Whatever, SC is not gonna do it anyway, anything else is yet another empty power fantasy from chuds thinking some dudes in robes will magically fix their problems.
>>525825333Why stop at birthright citizenship? You should only be allowed citizenry if your genealogy can't be traced back to the time of the founding fathers
>>525836111>>525836141because it's about the principal. it's about creating the perfect society, through trial and error.so if SCOTUS says i aint a citizen, then im gonna pack my bags and leave before ICE shows up.
maybe SCOTUS is right anyway, i dont feel much like a citizen. sure i live and work here, pay taxes, but apart from that im not a part of anything except this website.my only two friends are center-left. my dumbass is heavy rightwing and im about to have my citizenship revoked based on how SCOTUS rules.its the final straw for me. i can leave and say "i gave it my best effort" and not look back.
for me, it's about the principals of how i want to live my life.
>>525825333>RetroactiveHow far back do you think they will go?
part of me wants SCOTUS to revoke birthright citizenship retroactively. i'll leave and take the principals of Manifest Destiny along with me to where ever i go.
>>5258264293/4 can frigg off back to the Hue Hue Only the castizos can stay
>>525826429>I am whiteThat’s weird, because I am White.
>>525837148For legal purposes it should have no limit. Let official deportation policy set the limit on what they are willing to prosecute.
>>525837774>officially remain a second class citizenship, based on the motivations of ICEbrutal.
>>525837148In a perfect world, it would be retroactive to before 1965.
>>525826429Give one of them your citizenship and leave in their place then, preferably a fat booty latina that is legally bound to be my gf.
welp. i kinda voted for this. if >>525837774 is the case, i'm not sure if i'll leave or stay on my own, since i dont have any other citizenship other than the US.
>>525838023there's no way the candy ass republicans which set niggers loose on the US are going to kick out faveloids grandfathered in
i guess i would leave, since in the >>525837774 scenario my birthright citizenship is effectively canceled, and just a matter of time before ICE comes for me. that would be enough of a grace period to leave on my own.
>>525838023You will return to your parent's country of origin of course.
>>525825333I have no idea whats going on here. How does this affect me as a white man? My family got here in the late 1800s. Sorry Im retarded.
>Revoke birthright citizenship >large part of the military being now foreign agents with beaners in all levels of operation>Native born Americans harboring contempt for them, incapable of differentiating between an illegal that jumped the fence yesterday, and a soldier that's already served years>Now a part of the military is basically forced to be discharged at the beginnings of the Freedom tour with Greenland, Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico and soon to be China>Miggers see no problem with gutting their fighting force at this point in time
>>525825333Witnessed
>>525837774That would open a can of worms though as someone will claim only those who's ancestors where here in 1783 would count. I mean, I don't have to worry since I can trace my paternal line in this country back almost 300 years. But it could still get silly.>>525838012If I had to chose how far back to end birthright citizenship, it would be at least 1986 when Regan gave amnesty to millions.
>>525826429>traitor identifiedThen you can go with them.
>>525838177Take heart though, >>525838220, as the above poster speaks truth. I also find it hard to believe the jewish powers that be will be so based as to allow a retroactive ruling on birthright citizenship. I see it far more likely they will not make it retroactive, and that they will instead end it, but at a later date, and this will be seen as a compromise.
>>525838177if birthright citizenship gets grandfathered in in the SCOTUS ruling, then >>525837774 and >>525838012 wouldnt be the scenario. or it could be one of those situations where ICE could argue that my citizenship is canceled and deport me anyway, and any legal battle i could (very unlikely) fight would be after the fact.overall, it is a pretty safe ruling for all sides and SCOTUS getting the deportations they want.
>>525825333I'm not holding my breathRoberts will block it
>>525838370they would get exemptions. i would not, as im not active military. it really is an ideal solution.>>525838257that wouldnt be too bad. not bad at all.
>>525834308>no clear answer to where those anchor babies should be deportedJapan already solves this just fine. They go wherever their parents are from. If they don't like it, they shouldn't have come here.
>>525836986They won't take your citizenship away. The worst that will happen is they will be giving green cards to those who are born here. SCOTUS already ruled on the birth right citizenship in the past in favor of immigrants. Trump and his Jewish MAGA cult will eat buckets of shit.
welp. see you later, space cowboys.
>>525825954It should be retroactive, but that'd mean the secretary of state and vice president's wife would be going home. Not going to happen.
>>525831399Worth it. For the last decade there's always some wise ass latinx giving me life advice that can't tell I'd deport him the moment I was able.They should have never been here in the first place.
>>525838669thanks for the encouragement, but we have to see how SCOTUS rules.
>>525838750Those two would unfortunately be able to get citizenship since they married into it.
>>525838781yeah, i didnt know how you felt. english isnt my first language nor is America the land of my ancestors, so i can miss reading between the lines.
>>525838428Personally, I'd kick out anyone who immigrated here after hart-celler and anyone descended from them. "Legal" or not.
>>525838892Hmm good point. Well hopefully it's retroactive, but our civilization is much too pussy to do something that effective.
>>525825333In the near future citizenship will only be granted to those who pledge loyalty to Israel, anyone who refused to do so will be labeled a domestic terrorist
>>525838920It's fine, they really are that bad. Maybe not always in action but every decision made in America with these people has adds to it>what about blacks>what about latins>what about women>what about asiansAttached to it. Nobody can actually do anything until they leave. Too many outgroups.We have the internet now if they want to talk to us they can. I don't need to walk outside and see 5 different cultures and have to worry about their needs and wants.I have needs and wants. I want to deal with those.
>>525838428>Reagan Amnesty went into effect on November 1986kek. literally my birth year and month>for legal residency they had to prove they came to America 1982literally my parents on legal student visas, at the time.my ass is getting deported
>>525839198and i want you to deal with your needs and wants. which is why im a rightwing tard while being an anchor baby.will i just barely make it again? either way, my citizenship izzat is taking a big hit ranging from second class citizenship, now a greencard holder to getting deported.
>>525839477Honestly I doubt they'll revoke citizenship but if I did it I'd encourage revocation to anyone under the age of 13 and deport them back to family and relatives. Easiest way to rip off the bandage.I will say if Americans actually got to do anything that wasn't stymied by outgroups or locked by a split congress your life and everyone else's would improve. We've been floating through a deadlocked legislature for like, 50 years minimum.
>>525825954>All of Trump’s children are suddenly not American citizens Do it
other than relearning the language of my ancestors and relocation pains/finding gainful employment, getting sent back home doesnt sound too bad. i said home without quotations this time.
>>525825333If only they would go after dual citizens next
>>525839697that's a very humane approach. yeah multiple scenarios are possible, we shall have to wait and see how SCOTUS rules.
>>525825333Looks like they're about the drop the sickest mid west emo album of 2026
>>525839211It's going to depend on how the US is going to prosecute this.There's a difference between the US government having to prove you're a filthy anchor baby VS. You proving you're NOT a filthy anchor baby. If it's being processed like any crime ever, it'll be the former.We already have a massive backlog with the current immigration system, you're asking the same system to now process 360 million Americans to see if their parents, grandparents, or great grandparents was ever here on a visa, residency, or here as a tourist. They have to cross reference to see if at the time of birth the parents qualified to have their child be a citizen and doing the same for them. This is supposed to go all the way back the late 1800s when the first concept of an "illegal" immigrant was made. This doesn't include the fact they'll have to go through old county records across the country to prove all this.Retroactively taking away citizenship on this scale is going to be wayyy more of a headache than it would be to just cut it off at the point it passes or the time the EO was placed.
>>525825954again the deranged parrot. you don't even change the text. the law whose constitutionality they are going to decide is not retroactive. they'll decide if the law will stand, and if it stands, thenit will end birtright citizenship for babies born after a future date (2026 june 30 iirc). so just kill yourself already.
>>525839984kek. >"SCOTUS deported my girlfriend. SCOTUS deported that weird kid. My eyes were open but I'd never expect it."
>>525826429EH dont listen to these tards man they cant retroactively pull this and the moment it happens they'll begin to bitch and moan they should be thanking us for getting Cheetoman elected because Mexicans are naturally right leaning individuals and we hate weakness, the only reason why my people even vote left is because the media has tricked them into fearing even legal mexicans or hispanics would get deported.
>>525825333>The mood seems brittle.Pure, undistilled propaganda. Based on nothing, gives marching orders to the good little progressives. Fucking revolting
Why doesn't elon just make a Citizenship plus and ban niggers from getting it
Illegals is one thing that would only affect a few poor beaners.But pulling citizenship from e.g. people on temp visas like students retroactively would have pretty huge consequences. I bet some chunk of Trump's cabinet would lose their citizenship.
>>525839998>There's a difference between the US government having to prove you're a filthy anchor baby VS. You proving you're NOT a filthy anchor baby. If it's being processed like any crime ever, it'll be the former. So pretty much we get a band-aid on a gaping wound, maybe. This country is fucked.
>>525830262Not being a citizen isn’t a crime
>>525839998Ayy. the government's most staunch opponent - the backlog. as a former state government employee, i am familiar. but you never know - there's always that try hard employee who gets the backlog cleared. and I understand your point - any prosecution would have to prove my already existing citizenship is illegal after the SCOTUS ruling, which would require a bit of work.in this scenario, i go from citizen to "yeah probably i dunno" lmao
>>525832511He’s right and you’re wrong.
>>525839998> Retroactively taking away citizenship on this scale is going to be wayyy more of a headache than it would be to just cut it off at the point it passes or the time the EO was placed.What's going to happen here is that its going to end it as a constitutional right and backdate, but then it will invite the federal government to legislate the path forward, which almost certainly will be a law backdating citizenship for those who hold it now, but ceasing it going forward under federal law.It will rule it is not a constitutional requirement to give birth right citizenship, but it is not prohibited retroactively or in the future. Congress will then decide what it wants to do.
well this is what i get for being a rightwing tard while being an anchor baby. this is my slap in my non white face.
>>525825699The Supreme Court declared the death penalty is unconstitutional, but won't stop the State from executing current prisoners.Now, you know that didn't happen. Why think a birthright decision would be different?
>>525840581>tldr - anchor babies from the past can staythat is very humane of you to say, too.
>>525840846they revisited that ruling in Gregg vs Georgia (1976). you are citing an old, outruled case.per AI
>>525840657It's probably healthier. We have laws here where whites -have- to accept your presence whether they like it or not. Back home you'll have people that accept your presence by blood.Outside of the initial move there's nothing but upsides for everyone. You can still be supportive back in your ancestral lands.
>maybe i was the cancer all along, trying to fit in where i didnt belong. >>525839984
>>525840414The country was fucked when you decided to invade foreign land of brown people to claim it as yours. Centuries of dumb decisions finally caught up to you. Now would you kindly go back and bow to your king?
>>525825333Barron is an anchor baby. Dude and his whire mother should be deported, at least based on redhat reasoning.
>>525839762Trump is a US citizen, retard. Why are you people so fucking stupid???
>>525841147>laws where i have to be accepted by whitesand dont i feel it every time, even when i try to make myself as small and unobtrusive as possible. yeah being sent home wouldnt be the end of my world.
>>525828230your ethnic/home nation will have to accept many of your situtation, we'll have to establish some kind of temporary housing and a program to transition the children of retards so they(you) can assimilate into their ethnic country its already part of your identity, you've made that much clear so it shouldn't be too hard on you, the real suck is how to handle all the property issues, would be expensive to ship back all the cheap shit brown people have purchased over the past 4 or 5 decades
>>525840464Speaking of backlogs, once immigration does it's thing. ICE is going to have to do its thing.There's no concrete numbers on it, but you're talking about adding anything from 1.8 million to 20 million people to the ICE backlog. https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2020/08/20/facts-on-u-s-immigrants/If JD Vance is right about his numbers you're looking at potentially 40 million people to be removed from the country AFTER USCIS processes the deportation orders.
>>525841346why is this monkey talking in the white man's language??
>>525841454>the USG would establish temporary housing for me back home so i can settle inthat would be super kind and not something id expect
>>525825333Make.It.So.
>>525841589ICE is here to stay, i dont think the backlogs intimidate them one bit. in fact, it's job security having a high backlog of people to deport.
>>525841352Retard liberal strikes again
im going home
>>525841596The language you Negrified with your nigger American Ebonics accent. Everything you touch turns into shit. Americans are the Jeets of the American continent.
>>525841352Retard
>>525825333Amen
>>525826429Ok moshe and/or poojeet
>>525841598Its not on USG to establish housing for foreign nationals(or their offspring, you) I mean once you are deported its up to your ethnic nation to set up some kind of program to assist your transition, I can't imagine you are the only one
i guess im a liberal again.see you, space cowboy
>>525842128you did say "we" i assume you arent a rep of my home nation. it's not my fault you didn't write out the plan clearly.
>>525825333>RETROACTIVE END OF BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP FOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGALS AND TEMPORARY VISA HOLDERS!God I hope Vivek get deported.
>>525841708Immigration works very slowly. And up until you get the deportation letters, you have the full benefits of whatever status you possess. That being said, you're looking at a potential blowout of Republicans by soon to be non-Americans. Polling places, even in Texas aren't checking for citizenship as heavy as USCIS would, until Federal government takes it away your citizenship you can vote. There's going to be a transition period between SCOTUS ruling and immigration serving deportation orders, and that WILL span years. If you're telling millions of what they themselves assumed were Americans you're going to get deported to another country, they're going to vote like their life depends on it.
>>525842371there are many silver linings to be had here. i'll be saaaar posting online with vivek back in asia
>>525841346Why is my country fucked?
>>525842421that is a true assessment, these things take time. and it is on the prosecution to bring letters to deport me. still, that aside, should SCOTUS clearly rule out anchor babies as citizens, then i'll know that i'm not a citizen of the USA anymore.
Sure just deport a person to a country he has never even been in, retard.
>>525825333>retroactiveNot gonna happen, at least not back to the 70s like it should, more like it'll only apply for the last 5-10 or maybe 15 years but only if SCOTUS pushes the envelope. The real problem is that people who claimed birthright citizenship using a previous interpretation of the 14th by SCOTUS, cannot legally be deported because it was an existing precedent legal interpretation by SCOTUS itself. They cannot simply undo their own decisions and charge people with crimes, which is why when Roe v. Wade was overturned, women and doctors weren't retroactively charged with murder for abortions.tl;dr - Nothing is gonna happen unless SCOTUS specifically states that people making birthright claims of citizenship are invalid after a given date. That date will likely be 2020.
>>525842545Because you took out the hands out of the pocket
>>525842421Guess we better take their citizenship away before they vote
>>525842691>that feeling when my own life is being analyzed for potential SCOTUS rulings before the fact and i know it>that feeling when im on my soapbox here being the natural emo kid i am and possibly swaying opinion, if not, then at least drawing out opposition and supporting opinions for early considerationMr. Vance, you're not the only millennial emo kid around here.>Ender Will Save Us All
>>525842753Spit it out Domingo
>>525842421A united coalition of whites and blacks could outvote the mexicans even with all of the illegals.
>>525843048do it. send me hoooome
>>525842685sure just walk across 12 different countries to get to a nation you've never even been in, retard if its no excuse to stop the brown horde from coming here then its no excuse for sending them and their children back.
>>525843027Yesterday was Domingo. Today is Lunes.
>>525843188send us back, amigo. i voted for this (2/3 President Trump voter & anchor baby)
>>525825333Fucking retarded country allowing illegals to give birth to citizens.
>>525828230I assume we just send you to Mexico. They sent us so many people we didn't want, now they get some too
>>525825333Checked, but they don't have the balls
>>525841385that's why they're called libtards
>>525843385>mehiconope, not my home country. i'll buy a ticket out if/when SCOTUS rules anchor babies are not citizens
>>525843275I know you don't think this will happen and if you hated being here then you're incapable of making the move on your own, hence your presence here so either someone has to hold your hand and make it happen, more specifically a DHS CBP or ICE agent, or maybe its all smoke and mirrors, nothing happens and the country goes further down the toilet
>>525828056Why are you arguing like a nigger? Like with all yelling and shit... can't you process rational arguments like a white man?And the socialist snow monkey is right, people who already have citizenship will most likely not get those nullified, that requires a whole separate lawsuit.
>>525828230You are white right anon?
>>525832901Your meat has poop, look at your skin
>>525843398of course they do, they have the cahones, America has been sleeping but now is wide awake and seeing the outsiders.do it - deport me.
>>525834898>How are we going to deport 10% of the entire countryA "can do" attitude can go a long way. This is why foreigners should not be living in wasp countries. Your mindset is completely incompatible with whites.
>>525825333>the mood seems brittleAbsolutely terribly writing. Now, it has been about 25 years, but let me the try.>the mood seems easily breakableNo, just shit.
>>525836295I'm fine with all of the nords and germans going back to their countries
>>525842642Just max out your credit card bro. Take out as many loans as possible, knock up a white woman if you feel particularly spiteful before leaving voluntarily.Debt and credit scores can't follow you outside the United States.
>>525843635lol, i am not white. not even close.>>525843581i explained it earlier - for me it's about the principals of how i want to live my life. i dont want to leave on my own because that's the same as giving up, but i will leave on my own if my citizenship is revoked.
>>525825333I’m a huwhite man here on a work visa. Coincidentally I had my one and only child while working here. Do you want to send us home? I’m okay either way.
>>525842906All I know is that birthright citizenship is not specifically protected under the constitution's ex post facto clause because it's a civil matter BUT people also cannot be made into criminals by SCOTUS rulings, our constitution protects people from that and therefore people cannot have their citizenship stripped if it was already granted. That would take a congressional bill to remove them, since congress can strip anyone of citizenship for any reason but good luck on that front, we're about to have congressional elections again. There's just no time to remove all of those people.
>>525830431And you are the color of shit. I would rather be a wraith existing in between temporal planes than share any common ancestry or connection to street shitting dalit scum
>>525830467Not gonna happen, chuddie.
>>525843875thats crazy bro, haha i would never. i will do my best to leave with dignity and break off from america as cleanly as possible.you dont want me to stay here tho bro, white girls are hella qt and i cant help but look at them briefly.
>>525842642>anchor babiesHaving a child in the USA does nothing to let you stay. At best they can sponsor you for a green card when they turn 21.
>>525844008>remain a citizen due to another undersight/oversight/legal technicalityso nothing changes for me. cool. im a busy dude.
>>525825333>RETROACTIVE END OF BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP FOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGALSThey'd better do this. It's the only way to save America. Mass denaturalization of latinos and other browns/blacks.
>>525844094i -am- an anchor baby, it's how i got my citizenship back in November 1986
>>525829953>applies retroactivelyIt doesn't. If it were applied retroactively it would mean those people /did not have citizenship in the past/. They did, and the SCOTUS would not change that. They will however rule that /going forward/ that citizenship is revoked. What it means is that if they engaged in various behaviors in the past that only citizens can do they are fine and those aren't magically undone. it just means that as of today they no longer have citizenship. This really is not complicated.
>>525843967if you don't attain citizenship and your student visa expires then yes, its time for you to get the fuck outif this ruling went through I would have alerted two agencies to multiple comments in this thread and no one here is as anonymous as they think, there would have definitely been some knocks on doors I hope this ruling does pass and people like you keep running your mouths exposing yourselves, because then I can report you to feds without breaking any law myself, unlike now
>>525844300>browns/blacksask me how i know you have an asian girlfriend
>>525844326I’m here on a work visa that will expire, however my child was born here and has full citizenship. Neither my wife nor I are American (European). What I’m asking is would you want my child to lose their citizenship? I’m not mad either way, just curious.
>>525844378I have a white wife and a white son. I'm 37.
>>525825333Deport All Shitskins!
>>525844306What is likely to happen is that residency will be granted to all of those who lose citizenship under this ruling. So from day one you are still allowed to live here and go about your life, while how to move forward is hashed out in courts. People like yourself who have paid taxes/avoided criminality will almost certainly be allowed to stay as permanent residents. You'd be able to start the naturalization process and regain citizenship in a few years.Revoking birthright gives us legal tools to quickly get rid of undesirables. It does not mean everyone will go. Even if 60% are expelled (amazing) that still leaves 40%, most of whom will be spics born in the US at least 30 years ago and who have made themselves into functional members of society. If you married an American you are also good to go
>>525844456You are exactly who will be leaving, along with your child. Bye!
>>525844314splitting hairs here. that's essentially what retroactive revoking of birthright citizenship is.
>>525844515we are four or five generations into anchor babies, anchor babies who had kids who had kids who had kids this problem needed addressed decades ago and cant be ignored any longer, its a crying shame it took this long
>>525844456Yeah, bye.
>>525844463Congrats! I'm older than you and an incel. deporting me would be doing me a favor i think.
>>525844592That’s fine, I had no intention of overstaying my visa, and it’s not like my kid would stay here by themself. What I’m asking is if you’d want to strip someone of European descent of citizenship? Or is it just browns? Or is it everyone? Just odd that 4chan and Americans complain about demographics but wouldn’t want a huwhite child to stay.
>>525825333Sheet. Guess I'm headed to Mexico
>>525844326report me bro
>>525844631That's not splitting hairs that is a core, basic, and important distinction. One that is beyond the average person including apparently you. It means stupid shit like "their vote for Obama is canceled!" can fuck off. It also means that they retain various rights to property and whatnot acquired as citizens. Revoking citizenship is a normal thing. It's why the US constitution specifically says you can't do it for natural-born Americans. If it wasn't something you could do they wouldn't have had to mention it.
>>525844695It do be like that, I guess.
>>525844676If your parents were born as citizens then you're not an anchor baby you're just a brown or chink or whatever. >this problem needed addressedThis problem needed /to be/ addressed. If you're going to talk shit about foreigners at least use your native language correctly while doing it.
>>525840879There's a lot of Jewish and Viveks who would lose citizenship immediately, and I don't think Im exaggerating when I say both Congress and President are ZOGed.They'll end it going forward, but pass a law granting it retroactively.
>>525844706This nigga finally catching on. The vast majority of foreigners who are here will be better off returning to their home land and culture.
>>525844729>if you’d want to strip someone of European descent of citizenshipyes, of obtained via the method we are nullifying. they can apply for citizenship another way. their years living here as a child will surely help them with our future rules for that.
>>525826429>am(((white)))No, post nose or show tits
>>525826192I was born in India and brought my wife here and since had a kid. This was 5 years ago so I’m glad I got in early. I will say though you racist dickheads are gonna get what’s coming to you.
>>525844796but you contradict your own pro citizenship revoking position by saying natural born US citizens cannot have our citizenship revoked.i am an anchor baby, i have been an American citizen for all my life. I was born on US soil.and sure, the caveats that come with post or retroactive revocation of US citizenship such as property rights matter, but it isnt the main point of the issue at hand (US citizenship). hence my statement of you splitting hairs.
>>525842685Hey, they can just ban new citizens of that country from entering, ban all education in their language, and restrict their travel between the US and their home country, right? That should be totally fine, right Lithuania?>>525842691The center point of the issue is whether people are legally in the USA or not and how that affects interpretation of subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.Any Euros that critique this are absolutely retarded.
>>525844928nigga i saw the writing on the wall since i was like 7 years old.
>>525845006Being here on a visa I’m fairly familiar with immigration laws, and I doubt it will do anything. At present my kid could sponsor me for a green card when I’m almost 60, which there isn’t much of a point in. I get why the anger exists though. Every western country is flooded with low rent third worlders. My country isn’t any different.
>>525844883>but pass a law granting it retroactively.This is why foreigners should stfu about American laws. Any American over age 15 knows that this would require a more than just "passing a law."
>>525845048>you racist dickheads are gonna get what’s coming to you.A whiter nation with fewer Indians? we hope so to.
>>525844877its called ellipsis. This is the general linguistic term for omitting words that are understood from context.its related to the economy of language or linguistic economy which describes the motivation rather than the mechanism: speakers tend to shorten expressions when meaning stays clear.If you thought I was trying to be formal you're retardedif you didn't understand what I typed you're retardedso which is it, retard?
>>525845052>i am an anchor baby, i have been an American citizen for all my life. I was born on US soil.damn nigga u stupid af. The entire SCOTUS ruling is about how the definition of natural-born DOES NOT INCLUDE ANCHOR BABIES.
Everyday I’m practicing my boxing skills. I’m at the point now where I can break someone’s jaw with a light jab.
>>525845145Bro all of the immigration laws are going to change if shit like this starts dropping.Preview of the future: citizenship in the US will have hard tests and require you to prove you have some value. The easiest path will be marriage, as it should be.
>>525845253kys, millennial faggot
>>25844765It's not that bad
>>525844515i missed this post, been in a frenzy of (you)s. hang on, will respond.
>>525845375Can you box my knife?
>>525844877if it is retroactively revoked and your parents were anchor babies then you were not born from US citizens and the entire chain of spics from that family becomes illegal
>>525844515yeah, fuck that. im leaving if i get downgraded into a permanent resident. imagine all the attorney fees going through naturalization.im done, nigga.
>>525845523What’s the cutoff though? How many generations back?
>>525845289shieet you're right im fucking cooked.>>525845523gotcha
>>525825333It won't be retroactive initially. I think SCOTUS will give the illegal enclaves a couple years to a decade to assimilate. Then when they make it retroactive there will be fewer of them to deal with.
im an illegal citizen. been one all my life.
>>525840846The death penalty has always been constitutional. SCOTUS has only ever said it’s unconstitutional for certain crimes (which is also gay, but less so than what you say)
>>525845375why? you aint gonna box no ICE bois, they'll fuck you up and me too.
>>525845666Birthright citizenship was created by SCOTUS in 1898, so it would go back to 1898 because they overturn Wong Kim Ark. That would make both Plessy v. Ferguson and Wong Kim Ark overturned by that scotus. That SCOTUS from 1896-1898 made some really bad decision.
>>525826060that's not true. Retroactive would literally make all of them illegal lol. The due process is after they are arrested for being illegal.Thing is that I think kids of birth right kids would still have citizenship, which is whatever because the parents would take them when they leave anyways.
>>525846128and 90% of America had no idea the brown shit stains were flooding the west, internet didnt exist then and radio shut off at sunset now America not only sees it but can no longer ignore it, its everywhere, was never wanted
>>525846128call me Wong Kim Ark. send my as back to chyna.
>>525825699Laws don't work retroactively in the US. They can ban all firearms tomorrow and everyone who has one legally before that will be grandfathered in.It's called common law
>>525845048Train yourself, jeet. Maybe you'll come back white.
>>525826207>SCOTUS rulings on Constitutional Questions are retroactive by defaultExcept that isn't true... Plus the case before them explicitly says it's not retroactive. So even if the rule the order is OK, the order isn't looking or say retroactive.Not that this really maters given how this ruling will come down. Too much established case law already...
>>525845135>center point of the issue is whether people are legally in the USA or notThat's not the central issue since as-is people ARE here legally via previous SCOTUS rulings, that is existing law. That is why SCOTUS cannot retroactively apply this birthright citizenship change, the constitution's ex post facto clause WILL protect anyone who has attained birthright citizenship by default because the alternative is them becoming trespassing foreign aliens. Retroactive application would make them criminals and that isn't constitutional, not through any SCOTUS be it state or federal. To denaturalize them it would take states or our national congress passing a bill to remove them, since they can unilaterally ban any group they please from these shores.
>>525846128Interesting point. How many current politicians would lose citizenship from this?
Also, me and my parents immigrated here from Soviet Kiev in 1991. I'm not particularly worried but where would they boot me/us? Ukraine?
>>525846550Birthright citizenship is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. That's why birthright citizenship has a good chance of ending retroactively.
do it, revoke my shit. it'll be good memes.the smallest effort for the most change. send me back to chyna
>>525846835>citizenship is a civil matteryou retarded asf nigga.
>>525846706Vivek and Rubio on the Republican side. More than you can count on the Democrats side.
>>525846835Doesn't matter, common law
>>525846951stop shitting up the thread you fucking ugly short gook.
>>525846835there's not a snowballs chance in hell it's ending retroactively.
>>525847096make me nigga
ICE can't even deport a fraction of the 10 million+ illegals already here, how are they gonna deport the rest of that slime?
>>525846969do it. end this shit. bring America back. enjoy the memes and salt. this is a golden opportunity where a small effort (SCOTUS ruling) will cause a huge ripple effect of change for America.accelerate
>>525847179Yeah, I think SCOTUS will make an exception so that it's prospective only. They can make it retroactive if they want and a prospective ruling now wouldn't prevent them from making it retroactive in the future. I think that's the path they take. Prospective initially and then 10 years later make it retroactive. That give the illegal enclaves some time to assimilate.
>>525846980I like how you think SCOTUS is going to go full retard and disrupt the country to such a degree just because of an English legal tradition we loosely based our court systems around hundreds of years ago and but have meant little in practice for decades. You autismos actually think law works like an immutable computer program lmao.
>>525847344yeah they can, once libtards stop getting in the way. also ICE is here to stay, they have all the time they need to deport non citizens of America.
>>525846969Rafael Edward Cruz, otherwise known as ted cruz, was born outside the US as well
>>525847431thats retarded, SCOTUS doesnt make non-rulings like that:>"lets see how this plays out in the future"which amendment forbids double jeopardy? its there
>>525846658The EO is prospective because the executive branch doesn't have the power to make it retroactive. Scotus does have the power to make it retroactive. Ex Post Facto rules only apply to criminal matters.
God. imagine seeing vivek and rubio get deported for being non citizens of America. it'll be worth it. America needs to do this - revoke birthright citizenship.my ass is going back to chyna.
>>525847717Double jeopardy is only for criminal matters. And, in case you forgot, birthright citizenship is a civil matter.
>>525848057civil matters are torts. you can be jailed for being an illegal resident. citizenship is not a civil matter and you are fucking retarded for thinking citizenship kind of sounds like civil therefore it is.
Revoke birth right citizenship, SCOTUS, or America has no balls and is forever fucked.
>>525848157Do a little research on the question. It's a undisputed fact that birthright citizenship is a civil matter. You are just misinformed here.
>>525840581The government can already strip people of citizenship. They did it with impunity in 1865.>"But they were the enemy in war"Illegals are the enemy
>>525846980We have a mostly civil law country at this point. Including our immigration procedure.
>>525848488its not like i have any authority on it.
>>525845666>What’s the cutoff though? How many generations back?In all probability, this won't happen. But if it did, then the Supreme Court isn't filled with retards, even if leftoids hate more than half of them. The cutoff would be "revocation of citizenship for those who have alternative citizenship".Anchor babies born 6 months ago (or even 20 years ago) have citizenship through one or both parents. Indians and Chinese lose citizenship when they get American citizenship BUT if they were born while parents weren't US citizens yet then their parents retained foreign citizenship (and conferred it onto them). SCOTUS would undoubtedly come down saying that you can't leave someone stateless (no citizenship anywhere).This wouldn't prevent Trump from negotiating with foreign countries to give citizenship back to the anchor babies who would be made stateless, but seeing as how the two big offenders are Streetshitistan and Chinkland, I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>525846673No.If SCOTUS revokes something via a ruling and people continue to act in a manner as if they had not, then they are then criminals. In a matter such as this, they need only give a grace period or a secondary solution, eg green cards. Their status, however, is that of an illegal immigrant and the criminality of such would only become active the day of the ruling. Sure, previous instances could not be criminalized, but their current status would.
>>525848768Yeah, you are a no one so I don't count your dispute. Democrats and Republicans both agree on the fact that birthright citizenship is a civil matter.
>>525848903Im a nobody
>>525848807>tfw 4chan is actually the test run for the real SCOTUS ruling to find humane points like thisthis will be a good opposing opinion
