>Movie punishes children for being naturally curious and questioning things
looks better than the last 10 capedrama movies
>>525841684We had one to back in 1979 it was called Over The Edge, a kid even got shot to death by a cop.
>>525841824Still a pretty fucked up movie though
>invite a bunch of kids to a candy factory>ok now whatever you do, don't touch or eat any of the candy
>>525841684>Wonka: don't do the thing.>Child: I'm gonna do the thing.>Wonka: Okay.>Child: AHHHH HELP ME ENABLING PARENTS NOOOO I DON'T WANT TO BECOME A BLUEBERRY!Good analogy for a lot of the shit leftwingers do on any given day.
>/pol/ is Mike Teavee, Augustus Gloop, and Violet BeauregardYeah that checks out
>>525842332Except Mike Teavee was based and liked guns and cowboys and military movies
>>525842155He actually let them eat the candy. Just not in the experimental rooms.
>>525841684>>Movie punishes children for being naturally curious and questioning thingsAlso life does this to children as well.
>>525842332>Be willy wonka>Decide to give your inheritance to some random kid>Give all of them a patience test to see who can patiently inherit every chocolate candy flavour known to man>Fatty fails>Entitled bitch fails>adhd kid fails>Poor lower income wageslaver wins by doing nothingWhats the lesson here pol?
This movie fucking ruined my life
>>525842662morals of the story>don't be fat>don't be spoiled rich>don't watch tv all day>dont...uh.... chew gum
>>525841684He let the lesser Whites get fumbled in his traps he knew they would wind up in. He was waiting for a true Aryan born soul to come along. The rest were spiritual kikes. Charlie was there with his Grandpa indicating his loyalty to the old world values and he was the archetypal old brit with his multi generational home, emphasis on family and its role. The new brits were kiked and hated familial values, hated each-other and were self serving. Jews at their core.
>>525842590But not by shrinking them to an inch tall and stuffing them in their mom’s purse
>>525842662they all failedpoorboy only redeemed himself when he gave up the everlasting gooberstopper
>>525842815How was Mike a kike?
>>52584233No /pol/ is the Oompa Loompas. /tv/ is Mike Teavea, /sp/ is Augustus Gloop because they are also fat and retarded
>>525842866talmudvision golem, defied his parents. A perfect rebel that jews love to indoctrinate with liberal values. Maybe not a kike but a golem good goy none the less.
>>525842866his obsession with the jewtube
>>525842497Mike Teavee is pol
>>525842662In a sense yea but Charlie also broke the rules in the film. He stole fizzy lifting drinks.
>>525843013>defied his parentsAnd that deserves being shrunk to an inch tall and stuffed in his mom’s purse?
someone post ASR from the remake
>>525843096Yeah it teaches him perspective, literally
>>525843058a jews wet dream version of /pol/ sure
>>525843231Kek
>>525841684>nooooo I have to learn a lesson!!!You are so retarded and entitled you should feel bad and maybe kill yourself bc there’s no way you can survive in the world you are building lol
>>525842497You know everyone remembers Mike TV, Varuca Salt, and Violet the blueberry but everyone always forgets Augustus Gloop.
>>525843231What, that they should be small enough to be sat on without being noticed? Where would he even have gone if his dad was there instead?
>>525841684What movie is this? Willy Wonka and the Jewish Lampshade factory?
>>525843330What lesson is that supposed to even be?
>>525843282>tries to disprove theory>by falling immediately into racist schizo dialecticNice try
>>525841684Just remember that anyone posting with this scene, is a giantessfag but doesn’t want to admit it. Just fuck off to /d/
>>525843801being a good kid yields rewards. you really dont understand a historic children's movie? just dont be a little shit.
>>525843923Mike was fine tho, he was just curious, nothing wrong with that.
>>525842662>do nothing>win
>>525842662If you're a child laborer you'll inherit the factory as long as you don't maim or kill yourself.
>>525843410> Where would he even have gone if his dad was there instead?Its a good point, they depict him as rather careless and aloof iirc. Kinda proves that the lack of a strong father figure and a almost single mother type upbringing makes for a bad egg.
>>525843816>racistlel oh no not racist!!
>>525844087Anon you know there are other versions of the story where his dad is with him and he does the same thing right? The book was that way even.
>>525844209Hmm, yeah Idk anon. I was mostly talking out of the ass/shitposting. So mike is more of a result of positive parenting and indulging your children/their obsessions (i mean all the parents kind of acted that way though)
>>525845049Still, a slap on the wrist and taking him out of the factory would’ve been enough, shrinking and squishing him was not necessary
>>525845141fair enough.
>>525842783Why would anyone make this
>>525842662>>525842815Grandpa Joe was one of the movie's villains.Charlie didn't want to break the rules, but Grandpa Joe encouraged him to do so.Grandpa Joe also pretended to be sick and infirm until Charlie got the ticket, at which point Grandpa Joe also joined the song and dance about "my" golden ticket.At the end Grandpa Joe wanted to give the gobstopper to Slugworth since they lost anyway.Charlie decided to say fuck that, he's not letting Grandpa Joe lead him wrong anymore, and he gives the gobstopper back to Wonka. Ultimately Charlie's win comes from turning his back on the old people and paving his own way, because he sees the endless greed and selfishness of what came before (Grandpa Joe) and how others in his own group have all suffered from it (all of the other kids being mini-versions of their parents and just as awful).If anything the film was about turning your back on traditionalism to instead focus on doing what's right regardless of what is expected of you.
>>525847848Tim Burton is an evil man
>>525842497So just another ZOGbot in training.
>>525843013Exactly, perfectly encapsulates spiritual Jewishness of the America. The whole movie was a critique of the stupidity that capitalistic culture creates.
>>525843282No it’s MIGA in a nut shell.
>>525848747And how exactly were the punishments supposed to fit that crime?
>>525841684What a based ass movie.They (can't) make em like that anymore.
>>525848912They literally made another Wonka movie later
>>525848967It fucking sucked
>>525849042It was literally the same premise but more cruel to the children
>>525844019Ever heard of “curiosity killed the cat?”
That's because this film is a Gnostic allegory. With Wonka representing Yaldabaoth/Yahweh.
>>525849274Depp's cruelty was cartoonish. Wilder's was arguably justified. They changed the message by changing the subtext.
>>525849523>Depp’s Mike Teavee was shrunk to 5 inches tall and then smacked around and squished>The original movie’s Mike Teavee was shrunk to a few inches tall and stuffed in his mom’s purse>The book’s Mike Teavee was shrunk to an inch tall and stuffed in his dad’s back pocketTbh I don’t really see the meaningful difference
>>525848335>if anything the film...You jumped the shark, retard. That doesn't fucking follow.
>>525843363avgustus goes up the tube early on, the others hang around a little longer.Sometimes I say "Varuca" (dropping the U really low) out loud to myself, and other times I'll just say "Violet, you're turning violet, Violet!" to myself as well.
>>525842338Kek
>>525849386It also gave us all of our scientific inventions
>>525844019>Mike was fine thoThey were all entitled little shits.
>>525850569Eh, Augustus was just not cautious enough and too clumsy, and Mike was curious
>>525841684The moral of the story was: don't eat the goyslop like Augustus Gloop. Don't watch the TalmudVision like Mike Teavee. Don't accept any genetically modified mRNA Jewberries like Violet Beauregard. Don't be a feminist cunt girl boss like Veruca Salt. The only way to defeat the Jew with a factory full of Oompa Loompas (jeets) is with honesty and traditional morality.Status: based
>>525850893Then why the weirdass punishments
>>525850948Sure, we rig the game as much as we need to, but ultimately, if they dont transgress they can't be punished. This is ritual sacrifice to Moloch 101.
>>525851261Okay but that’s an acknowledgement that the children didn’t deserve to be punished
>>525850893One must also reject the greed of one's own boomer ancestors (Granpa Joe).
>>525851365Wonka, the Jewish agent of Satan tempts the children, but he cannot force them, he requires they consent to evil. After they accept the false reality he offers, they place themselves outside the protection of God and into the domain of the Satanic Jew who tortures goyish children merely for the sadistic pleasure it brings them.
>>525852003Seems like god should do a little more to protect the kids then
>>525841684the clownworld part of it didn't make sense to you?
>>525841684Have you never read a Grim Brothers fairy tale?
>>525841684>children suffer the consequences of stupidity and bad parenting>oivey it's Mr Wonka's fault!>>525842155But they WERE allowed to eat quite a few things. Then during the tour they were instructed to not interfere with the safe operation of the factory.Bad parents turned them beligerent.And bad parents made no attempt to intervene.If anything, the movie is incredibly based.>>525842332Bingo.
>>525852075Its a fairy tale from a different era. Unlike mordern Disney stories where every child gets a happy ending no matter how undeserving they are, the old fairy tales showed the consequences of bad behavior and the rewards of heroic virtue. In the old tales, children who let down their guard for the false promises of gingerbread castles (material wealth) would find themselves enslaved by a witch or eaten by a wolf.God gives us free will, and He saves us if we ask Him. What he does not do is save us against our will when the only thing placing us in jeopardy in the first place is our refusal to let go of the Devil's false promise.
>>525850893>>525850948I mean if you're doing the whole God and Purgatory and Hell thing, then the ironic punishments are fitting.
>>525852781What’s ironic about being shrunk to an inch tall with your dad or mom?
>>525848335>did you know the karate kid was the real jerk the whole time? Bet you never thought of it that way.
>>525852865He's obsessed with the tiny world in the small screen and did not appreciate the wide large world around him.Also don't they all get fixed? They just need to live with their punishments for a finite time and hopefully learn their lesson.
>>525852777If God knows all and created all, then he knows everything that will ever happen, and created everything knowing what those things would do. That isn't free will
>>525841684Thats not genesis chapter 3
>>525843363Doubt it, people love singling out a fatty and dogpiling em
>>525842497Sounds like a typical mutt raised by the kikebox.
>>525852644Depends on the version. The only one where he actually gets fixed is the Depp version
>>525849274It was the same premise, but sucked ass.
>>525842783>This movie fucking ruined my life?>>525847848>Why would anyone make thisfear is a control tool; it prevents people from developing into their best selvesand since you can't threaten with the sword anymore you have to instill fear in different ways; this is where media comes in... it's also why they hate anime, since they so often depict heroic characters and their cute associates struggling and winning
>>525853279>the kikes want you to have guns, chu-I mean anon.
>>525848335>Grandpa Joe was one of the movie's villains.This is correct. Grandpa Joe fucks up and himself and Charlie barely dodge paying for it.Charlie's win comes from simply doing the right thing.You're correct in that it is his temperence in contradiction to his grandpa being kind of a dick.
>>525853289I thought in even the 60s version they were kind of dragged off to be offscreen fixed.
>>525853432Yes but his mom fainted when she heard the idea of the taffy puller so she probably didn't go through with it.
>>525853115Nigger, what are you talking about?>>525853348It's something I found kind of interesting. Charlie is the 100% pure and innocent kid, and literally everyone and everything in his life, except for Wonka himself (and the Candyman I guess), wants him to be just as greedy and miserable as everyone.else.
>"Where are you taking me? I don't want to go in there!">"Be quiet."How would a dad have handled Mike differently after he shrunk?
>>525843013>defied his parentsGood
>>525844019>IM GONNA BE THE FIRST KID ON TELEVISION >Desire to be famous >Curious
>>525857510Why does wanting to be famous deserve being shrunk?
>>525853895A dad wouldn’t have had a purse to use
>>525857510Yes, the FIRST, he was a pioneer
>>525843096>shrunk to an inch tall and stuffed in his mom’s purse?Fuck, that's hot.
>>525860139Dare I ask why?
>>525841947They weren't being naturally curious, they were punk teenagers.
Do you think he chopped the kids up and incorporated their flesh into the candy?
>>525841684FAFO niggaThat movie is about FAFO Some people still didn't get it. FAFO NIGGA FAFO. When you find out it's too late
>>525842155He didn't say that and he did in fact lead them to a room full of candy they could eat to get it out of their system first.
>>525860460Charlie didn't have to find out tho, he got to win
>>525841684thats how the 1960s, 1970s, ect thats just how white people were back then. all fucked up and retarded. thats why boomers are literally just old retarded children now
>>525860545That's right. He didn't get his head chopped off by the blades in the roof. Lucky him!
>>525841947>a kid even got shot to death by a cop.The kid pointed a gun at the cop and got shot. Then the libtard white woman was all "WAS THE GUN LOADED?" like that fucking matters when a cop is staring down a gun pointed at him.
>>525860381In the book, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, shows them leaving with lingering physical changes, like Augustus being squeezed thin, Violet remaining purple, and Mike stretched out, all with lasting, unpleasant consequences from their punishments.The book is fucking weird with the elevator and the outer worlds they visit though, super creepy.
The entire trip through the factory was a test to see who would take over the factory.The real question is, why didn't Wonka just find some qt German or Swiss girl to knock up?
>>525860790Doesn't the book have Mike's dad stuff him in his back pocket after he shrunk or is that wrong
>>525850636>Augustus was just not cautious enough and too clumsy, and Mike was curiousHe couldn't swim. Nonswimmers deserve death
>>525860545>>525860706I think it's really a little primer to teach children about the hidden dangers of factory machinery. Probably he saw lots of kids losing hands or getting crushed in/near factories and wrote a fun little story which carried the morals not to fuck around with machinery you don't understand
>>525860292Why would I know?
>>525860292He wishes to be used as a dildo.
>>525847848People have weird fetishes. Dragon Ball Z is full of them.
>>525842662But he didn't sell out to fake slugworth
>>525862347We don't even know if the other kids would've sold out to slugworth or not
>>525841684I remember being creeped out by the movie as a kid and hated it. The johnny depp version was a lot more memorable but the directing was kind of dogwater.
>>525862598The Johnny Depp version was a lot more cruel too
>>525861583No. Definitely not that.
>>525862725Is it just as hot if he's in his dad's pocket to you?
>>525862753No. That sounds really gay.
>>525862823How do you feel about the mom putting t Mike in her breast or butt pocket?
>>525862636It was but I think because the setting was so whimsical up until the middle of the factory tour it softened that. Also the kids personalities were a lot more punchable
>>525841684Since fucking when is fucking with your hosts shit ever been considered acceptable behavior, even for children? Fucking nigger.
>>525848335Dude when I used to watch this movie my dad fucking hated the family so much. He used to complain and say all the old people in Charlie's family were such pieces of shit they would just lie in bed all day and beg whilst the mom and charlie had to work their asses off to pay for them. Then yea the motherfucker jumps up out of bed the moment Charlie comes home with a once in a lifetime opportunity.
>>525862953I don't know about that, that version of Mike Teavee was pretty based
>>525849854meds
>>525862904That'd be highly inappropriate for a mother to do such a thing to her son. Are you having fun analyzing me?
>>525863127So it’s specifically something cause by the mom having overwhelming power over her son but not abusing it in unreasonable ways>>525862992Oh no, a kid was curious and touched the incredibly cool thing I laid out, let’s shrink him permanently!
>>525843363Nobody forgot Augustus Gloop.
>>525848335>in short a fuck boomers movieVery based.
>>525844019Mike was overly obsessed with TV
>>525848335>Grandpa Joe was one of the movie's villains.No.>Charlie didn't want to break the rules, but Grandpa Joe encouraged him to do so.Grandpa Joe wanted Charlie to have fun. He thought his grandson would return to his life of poverty.>Grandpa Joe also pretended to be sick and infirm until Charlie got the ticket,He was just an old man who preferred to be in bed, but put powered through it to go with Charlie.>about "my" golden ticket.Charlie gave him the ticket, so it was his now.>At the end Grandpa Joe wanted to give the gobstopper to Slugworth since they lost anyway.I don't blame him. Wonka was acting like a real dick.
>>525863386How does that justify shrinking him to an inch tall
>>525863241No. I think it's the idea of being shrunk and put into a purse.>let’s shrink him permanently!Try not to take the movie too seriously anon.
>>525863455>>Charlie didn't want to break the rules, but Grandpa Joe encouraged him to do so.>Grandpa Joe wanted Charlie to have fun. He thought his grandson would return to his life of poverty.He literally just saw a girl turn into a gigantic fruit after fucking around with experimental candies and then he decided to break off from the tour and steal another potentially dangerous substance.
>>525849274Why is it so visually dark? >>525848473You couldn't convince me that Augustus ruined anything in that dark as shit factory.
>>525863487I was thinking that after they sent him through the TV couldn't Wonka just build a gigantic TV and then send him back through?
>>525863698Exactly
>>525863681>Why is it so visually dark?To differentiate itself from the other movie.
>>525863487That was the fate he chose. Wonka didn't do it to him, he watched it happen and decided he wanted to do it despite all the warnings.
>>525863064He called out Wonka for being full of shit and got shrunk and smacked around for it
>>525863698>Gigantic TVnow that would just be silly.Most TVs at the time were 13" to 15". If you were really well off you might get a 19" TV.
I've always wished there was another movie or book like set 10 years after the events of the first book/movie after "Great Glass Elevator" where like the kids come back and they use Veruca's money to sue the shit out of Wonka.
>>525864005If Wonka invented a giant chocolate bar he can invent a giant TV
>>525842497every boy likes guns, retard.
The real red pill is that Mike didn’t even mind being shrunk, he was literally asking to do it again
>>525863639>He literally just saw a girl turn into a gigantic fruit after fucking around with experimental candies and then he decided to break off from the tour and steal another potentially dangerous substance.I don't disagree. But the risk of the fizzy drink was the ability to float off the ground.
>>525864192It’s not like there was a huge risk to Wonkavision either
>>525841684how was wonka not arrested for murdering children
>>525864192>But the risk of the fizzy drink was the ability to float off the ground.We don't know that for sure just like with the gum. Charlie and Grandpa Joe submitted themselves to be the guinea pigs. It could have just killed them by filing their body and bloodstream with condensed helium or some shit.
>>525842783seems likes it's a thinly veiled story about pedophilia
>>525864283>It’s not like there was a huge risk to Wonkavision eitherWasn't that his particles being ripped apart and beamed to a TV?
Why did they feel the need to smacked Mike around and squish him in the remake
>>525842662Buy silver, wait, become rich.Got it.
>>525864405Yeah, maybe you're right.
>>525864453Sure but from his POV it was a perfectly functional machine with no flaws, which he just saw work perfectly
>>525864471Because for the first time in their miserable midget lives they finally found something smaller that they could bully.
>>525842332>>525841684Each character save for Charlie represented a different mode of shitty parenting.Roald Dahl was unfathomably based.
>>525864549What a bunch of assholes, he didn’t deserve that
>>525864565But even Charlie ended up doing something naughty
>>525864612Kids aren't perfect and Charlie, living only with disabled grandparents, iirc, had an excuse not to know better.
>>525864612I don't think the fizzy lifting drinks were in the book. In the book the kids were worse also. In the films they weren't as bad except Veruca was hilariously terrible in the first film. I had a huge crush on her when I was a little kid.
>>525864735Well at least Mike’s life wasn’t too negatively affected by what happened, being an inch tall doesn’t really stop him from watching TV on the couch
Also has anyone read the cut material from the book?There is another character Miranda Piker and her Father and they literally fucking DIE KEK!! Before the editors got their hands on the creative control of the material the book was so much more brutal.
>>525864831In the book he became a giant because they stretched him out. So I'm guessing he was still composed of the same amount of material he was just really condensed or whatever given the fantasy logic of the book.
>>525841684>augustus gloopFatass gluttonous retard>violet bauregardType A BPD sociopath cunt with an oral fixation >veruca saltNarcissist spoiled cunt> Mike TeaveeScreen addicted coombrain boomerThey all deserved what they got.
>>525865008Should’ve just let him be small in the book he could’ve kept watching TV
>>525865085>They all deserved what they got.And how is Mike’s punishment fitting? Because he can totally still watch TV on the couch even while shrunk
>>525841684Boomers get pleasure out of hurting children.
>>525865136>And how is Mike’s punishment fitting? Because he can totally still watch TV on the couch even while shrunkI don't think there is any karmic logic to the "punishment" these are just like industrial accidents.
>>525841684why not follow the rules?
>>525865558Fair, but in that case I don’t really think what happened to him was all that much of a cautionary tale
>>525865604Cause the rules are retarded
>Mike Teavee’s punishment is getting shrunk>A punishment that in no way prevents him from sitting on the couch watching more TV
>>525864907Wonka is based but the jew producers couldn't allow it
>>525842662>>Poor lower income wageslaver wins by doing nothing>Whats the lesson here pol?My favorite meme
>>525850893Best take in the thread.
>>525850948Because the author had psychological trauma from war.
>>525867207Nah, cringe take
>>525867240Ah yes, the famous shrink-wars of 87, many a children were shrunk that day and taken home in their mother's purses
>>525850893>JewberriesKEK
>>525853895why didn't she vore him?
>>525868015Why would she?
>>525867547Also in the camps the jews were blown up into blueberries and then thrown into the furnace or eaten by german soldiers.
We very much regret that weShall simply have to wait and seeIf we can get him back to sizeBut if we can'tIt serves him right
>>525849737What is the point of this
>>525841684>>Movie punishes children for being naturally curious and questioning thingsJust like real life!
>>525870953Yeah but they don't get fucking shrunk
>>525871354You were saying?
>>525848335based take from fritz
>>525871884Based
>>525842798>>dont...uh.... chew gumFUCK gum chewers
>>525841684More like "Movie is a shitty Quaker Oats ad that misses the entire point of the book and mixes the original story with ceepy saccharine 70s americana."Dahl's books have very simple, positive messages for children, namely "Be good even if everyone around you is evil", Matilda embodies this best given that the poor girl is essentially surrounded by nothing but evil or inept people, but the same central message exists in Charlie & The Chocolate Factory, the kids aren't in the factory by chance, they were all handpicked by Wonka for being the most horrendous, poorly-raised little shits in the world and his objective is to teach them and their idiot lazy parents a lesson, with the obvious exception of Charlie who is so virtuous that Wonka has already resolved to reward him with the entire factory.The 70s movie shows it didn't understand that very simple message in many ways, like making Mike into this sweet kid who just happened to be curious instead of the little violent shit he was in the book, but nothing betrays the original message more than the idiotic scene with Charlie and grandpa Joe directly disregarding Wonka and breaking his rules, it changes the message from "Always do good even if nobody notices" to "Do all the evil you want as long as you don't get caught."
>>525842798Actually, the morals are>Don't be greedy, and don't raise your kid to be greedy.>Don't be spoiled, and don't raise your kid to be spoiled.>Don't be hypercompetitive, and don't raise your kid to be hypercompetitive.>Don't be violent, and don't let the tv raise your kid into a psycho.
>>525841684It isn't meant to be moralizing outside of maybe a commentary on bad parents. It is like how people think WALL-E was some environmentalism "we're doomed" flick when the polluted Earth was just done as an easy to get back drop and the humans were fatties due to the effects of space and so they can have a "first steps" narrative. This much was said by the creators, I'm sure you can find something similar from Dahl too. I hate this marxist bullshit where all entertainment is treated as vessels for messaging.
>>525842662Wonka had the whole thing set up for Charlie to win from the beginning you fool. The candy shop owner was in on it. He just had to test him first.
>>525872850Mike Teavee didn't seem that bad in the book
>1pbtid>movie>children should be more permittedlearn to recognize pajeet threads. learn to stop giving (You)s, which end up as rupees, to the wrong posters. jews pay pajeets to spam this board en masse with the same agendas that you're still associating with only jews. since 2023 you are much more likely to see jew noise posted by a pajeet. there are a hundred times as many pajeets as there are jews. if you want any part of the internet to survive, you must detect, reject and redeem pajeets everywhere you find them
pajeets lost indiachan in the spring of 2023 because it drew unwanted attention as a cp swap meet. they have since replaced it with bharatchan, but former indiachan enjoyers don't find enough of what they want there
>>525873343>It isn't meant to be moralizing outside of maybe a commentary on bad parentsThisIt's a fantasy book for 12 year olds. It's just designed to stimulate your imagination.
>this sucks, bharat-head! we're never gonna score if they don't make younger dumber children legal to pursue sexually
