>Liberals are smart and seek out real statistics>Conservatives are dumb and just listen to (((experts)))What causes this?
>>525891695>science>Research has been done of 5 people, 3 of whom are my friends that agree with me politically and 2 relatives.
>>525891695>ban you for 13/50 postingHard stat's almost always favour chuds with no filters.I dont need a pie chart to know that adding niggers or somalians to an area makes ot worse
>>525891695Then why are liberals so retarded and gay
>>525891695I wish more people realized that like 80% of these "studies" and "research" you see online are either done by college students for a assignment (which they do by using each other as the "sample") and the rest of them are done my marketing teams that are pushing something
>>525891854Why does Grindr crash when Republicans gather?
>>525891695I like how it makes a distinction between "liberals" and "those with higher cognitive reflection skills" (and conservatives by extension)
>>525891695>get esteemed leftist intellectual talking points>repeat their rhetoric almost verbatim on /pol/ >get counter points from passionate well researched anons>with both in mind easily narrow down off-site research to the most pertinent datadon't work hard, work smart
>>525891695The problem with statistics and studies is that researchers not required to publish them. They can continously redo studies until they get one that is cherry picked to their likings, then the study is stuck behind a ton of paywalls so people can't peer review it. Aaron Swart killing himself after the MIT leaks was off as well.
>>525891874Not only that.A lot of science, wich is not proofable exept for some calculations are pseudo and fake, with the base of allready faked pseudo researches.Then they relay on jewish spread bullshit and tell everyone its science
"we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" head ass post
>>525891695>statistical data>except by race
>>525891695>trust the science goy
>>525891923He already said liberals
>>525891695Except when it comes to the vaccine, then it's all Trust the Science(tm), Nazi.
>>525891695This isn't surprising. Right-wingers are generally retarded. Note that there is a difference between racist and being right-wing. There are some intelligent racists but they tend to have strange or mixed political views. They aren't zogbots. >>525892269>>525892309For example these people are clearly just retarded with no deeper thoughts.
>>525891695>post it again rewardanyway. liberal and conservatives ≠ republicans and democrats
>>525891695"mvea" is an infamous redditranny mod, literal paid shill and likely jewish glowie who's been posting pro-globoshlomo and anti-conservative propaganda daily for nearly 20 years.
>>525891695https://youtu.be/04lW1vpZbfQ
>>525891695>data says big data good.>data says listening to big data and doing what data says good.>data says no big data bad and here's the data to prove it.Wow, who would have thought?
>>525891695That is the literal exact opposite of reality. Leftist demand belief in climate change because (((SCIENCE))) says so while rightists point out various facts that don't support it.Leftists say abortion is not baby murder because of feelings and a rational person's shows them the picture of a dead baby from the procedure and point out facts about how early babies can survive (my brother was born 3 months premature).Leftists will claim niggers are equal and rational people will point to statistics, history, and body cam footage showing truth.Hell, Leftists can't even admit when a woman hits a man with her vehicle with ACTUAL footage showing the impact.
>>525891695Wait. Was the RW saying trust the Science trust the Fauci during the Pandemic? I cant remember im so sleepy
>>525891695>liberals and those with higher cognitive reflection skills Kill yourself
>>525891695Grugs and High IQ's listen to their lived reality*Midwits* listen to experts with book cooked statistics
>>525892528> (my brother was born 3 months premature).pregnancies last 9 months, what a trite argument. the right is against abortion based on faith and the left is for it because it's logical from an atheist standpoint
>>525891695I think intuition and logical thought are more important in a society that is so highly polarised, and in which the data gathering and data analysis bodies have been cooped by politically motivated people, who taint the processes and pervert the findings.But it is true that there are different types of people on both sides. A lot of what conservatives care about is difficult to measure and are often not present dangers but perceived future risks. So, for instance, conservatives worry that mass immigration will affect social cohesion, culture, democratic processes etc but those are hard to quantify and generally future-orientated eg the new arrivals will likely reproduce at higher rates, bring in relatives later on and, as their numbers increase, be less inclined to integrate. This can't really be measured by doing a study now to see how many are currently working and paying taxes, for instance, and then just saying that they're a net positive, for instance. It has been said many times (and I believe it to be true, from my own observations) that people who are more progressive don't think about second- and third-order consequences (they're "live in the moment" types), so the example study reassures them, but does nothing to sate the concerns of the conservative who has considered the knock on effects of mass immigration, going into the future.
>>525892528and showing pictures of le babbies is literally an appeal to fee fees. you must be trolling/well poisoning
>>525891695So why are liberals always like "Source?" when something has been the top story for days plus if they were so resourceful they could simply Google or news site look it up themselves? Also " only trust the experts " was the famous liberal covid vaxx line.
>>525891695Libtards have been crying "TRUST THE EXPERTS!!" for years now though
>>525891695Whisch statistics exactly? Cause I could pull out HUNDREDS of statistics that consistently send the average shitlib into a full blown fucking conniption.
>>525892841****when I say'different types of people on both sides' I actually meant to say that certain types of people are attracted to progressive ideas and certain types to conservative ideas, not that the types are equally distributed between each opposing worldview. There is a 'progressive' personality type and a 'conservative' personality type.I used to think there was a mix and that people just tended to have been exposed more to one type of argument than the other, but I've come to realise that political leanings are highly character based.
>>525891695Jews caused problems on both sides to keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of them
>>525891695Bullshit.
>>525892463So what about those immigration and crime statistics huh? They don't count because?
>>525892841agreed wholeheartedly
>>525891695We are hardwired to disagree, its what makes our species advance, arguing.
>>525891695the problem with this mindset is that a vote can never amount to a *measure*. The vote, the measure, must conform to """reality""" (i.e. what leftists can infer from statistics).As a result, more often than not, leftists have to engage in cognitive processes that force them to negate their direct experience with reality. From that point on, since they have suffered the trauma of negating themselves, they are entitled to inflict it unto others.
>>525891695Real anons understand it takes both
>>525892528Though I'm not 100% on the framing, this anon makes a good point. Progressives often tend to ignore any part of reality that doesn't conform to their beliefs. So, they will say things like 'diversity is our strength', 'bringing millions of third world people into a fist world country will improve that country', 'censoring free speech protects democracy', 'a woman can have a penis', 'black people don't commit a disproportionate amount of crime' etc despite all evidence pointing to the contrary. I'm reminded of that video doing the rounds of the interview where the progressive female interviewer is arguing with the conservative chap and saying that there is no scientific evidence for black people being genetically different to whites, and insisting that that is the consensus of the scientific community. Crazy.
Foreskin vs No-Foreskin
>>525891695>Hey, you should get this experimental vaccineLibs:>Hell yeah, I'll take six! >Hey,what are these chest pains?Conservatives:>No, that seems risky and unnecessary, I'll wait until there is more data that shows it is safe.
>>525893066In general conservatism vs judeo-liberalism is testosterone vs estrogen based. most liberal men, for example, are low test sissy faggots in a figurative and often literal sense. It's testosterone, either having it or submitting to it, that propagates most conservative ideologies and hierarchies in the same way estrogen propagates liberal collectivism, manipulation and dishonesty as a survival mechanism.
>>525893194Thank you, but I must ask about your stance on abortion, as you seem to be in favour of it. Do you wish to discuss that?
>>525893378Literally right wing does this exact thing too like holy fuck how delusional people are nowadays. The tribalism is just so strong that you niggers are blind and deaf to everything
>>525891695Weird how liberals go blind when they see any government statistics about black people then.
>>525893468There is no question that progressivism is feminine in nature, caring more about inclusion, 'fairness' and protecting feelings, whereas conservatism is more masculine, focusing on meritocracy, ugly truths over pretty lies and hierarchy. So yes, you're correct in what you have observed.
>>525893510>n-n-no you!
>>525891695I'm a liberal that turned a different way from Reddit.
>>525891695Then why won't they discuss the funny statistics
>>525891695>seek out statistical dataGathered and compiled by whom?>authoritiesOk then. So the difference is that liberals tend to make up their own conclusions about the statiatical data regardless of an expert's interpretation.
>>525893522Redditors
>>525893423>Conservatives:>>No, that seems risky and unnecessary, I'll wait until there is more data that shows it is safe.Conservatives:>Has anyone tried drinking bleach to kill this thing? I am going to try it.
>chuds believe every retarded conspiracy theory >still crying about muh vaxx>reject intellectualism and call trusting your gut and anecdotes "based">are religious (aka retards)<suddenly feel the need to break out all these copes ITT as to why they're actually totally rational and reasonable!!!LOL, at least own your clown costume.You guys see >source: it was revealed to me in a dreamand yell can clap like monkey>le baced! it's so based being an ignorant retard xd!!But at soon as someone else calls you that you start coping and seething.Pathetic.
>>525893522t-the government lies about that ok? Ignore all the other government fed shit I believe.
>>525893485>Thank you, but I must ask about your stance on abortion, as you seem to be in favour of it. Abortion should be legal and mandatory for niggers.
>>525893661pic rel is literally the only argument leftoids have nowadays.
>>525893658My favorite thing was when "right leaning" people said maybe try some high power anti-parasitic shit and the left freaked out. Then not even three years later during the roe v wade shit leftists were retweeting stuff about using horse pills as a substitute for abortion pills.
>>525891695Conservatives are more autistic. Reality doesn't amtter to them, only studies do.Which is why liberals are typically not that bothered when a study says the opposite of what they beleive. Conservatives get cognitive dissonance.
>>525893485I'm not against abortion. I just recognize that to materialists it's logically the lesser evil compared to abolishing it, and so the only way to redpill materalist atheists on abortion is to stop them being materialist atheists. and brute force on the issue will only lead to more extreme opposites (like the travelling abortion vans in america)
>>525891695"Trust the experts"-Conservatives.
>>525893510I don't want to be that kind of guy, but could you expand on the types of thing you are taking about and give examples, like in my post, please? I 100% agree that there is bias on both sides and people will, by nature, put a certain spin on things to benefit their perspective, but I don't tend to observe the same level of outright lying and denial of reality on the conservative side as I see on the progressive side. There will be a bias, like the shift on the Epstein stuff, but not an 'up is actually down', 'wet is actually dry', 'we've literally changed the meaning of this word' level of lying. I'm talking about the claims that are 180 degrees against reality, not just human biases. The kind of post-modernist attempts to change reality by just repeating an obvious lie.
>>525893780>Which is why liberals are typically not that bothered when a study says the opposite of what they believe.Except when it comes to IQ research and crime statistics etc etc.
>>525893485>>525893863I meant to say I'm not for abortion. Not a freudian slip honest lol
>>5258916956 years ago, libs were mocking us for not trusting the science because we wouldn't wear a muzzle or get an experimental gene therapy.
>>525893863Ah, so you're more taking a pragmatic, least harm to society approach, rather than a moral one?
>>525893897That's okay, I understood.
>>525891695As someone that does paid studies as a side gig and used to do mechanical turk for years I can tell you these studies are complete bullshit with forced data. Basically questions are setup in a way to push a wanted result no matter what reality is. Also 99% of studies ar done from universities that are full liberal retards. Been scamming them for a decade kek.
>>525893639pedo normalization psyop pic>>525893661Did your frequent typos start in 2021 or 2022?>>525893423And while waiting, I'll expose myself to the chinkese-american bioweapon as much as possible.
>>525893980not quite, because again taking a brute force approach would lead to more immoral behaviour by those who rebel against it
>>525891695Seems like the opposite to me. Liberals are always the one who defer to "experts" and ignore statistics. The whole argument against them the past 10 years was feels over reals. "Trannies are women because these their intuition says so and the Jewish experts corroborate this."
>>525891695Replication crisis. There’s so many “research papers” that start with a premise and then fill in the “evidence” with cherry-picked data that the inability to independently replicate the results reached a crisis point over ten years ago. It’s only gotten worse. Leftists don’t reply on data, they merely formalized their retarded propaganda and it’s destroying scientific research at large
>>525894286I don't believe leftists intuit that trannies are real (except for maybe the coping trannies themselves)it's more that they prioritize compassion over reality. same reason they gloss over race statistics
>>525891695Now post this in the next vax thread and come and have a real discussion with us you disingenuous fucks.
>>525894286also worth noting that the woke movement is not actually leftist, but rather a form of hyper liberalism.
>>525894179That's what I meant. I think it sounds like you are of the opinion a blanket ban and criminal prosecution would lead to people having things like back alley abortions. I'd classify that as a kind of harm reduction approach, but that may be incorrect use of the phrase.
>>525894560this was correcting myself, not who I responded to. Groggy and I'll stop spamming now.
both sides are morons and so are the moderates. modern people are terminally spiteful beings who only care about trolling the other side and projecting how on-brand they are with their tribe.
>>525891771No nigger, you either think dialectically or metaphysically. But again, most of you here are too retarded to even know what any of those two mean.
>>525891695Looking at reality for 5 minutes tells us this is false though
>>525894831Essentially yes. Also the sheer number of materialists means they'd probably win in the long run, further emboldened by bans. They have the number advantage.
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>>525891695Shitlibs what you dead, while hugging somali invaders or space rocks.
>>525894416True. Many tend to suffer from pathological empathy. Others will just be doing it for social capital, of course, or to feel they are a 'good person', because they've been told this is what the good people believe.
>>525892266It really is astounding.
>liberals seek out statistics >mention per capita>they sperg out>NOT ALL OF THEM!!!
>>525894961No nigger, you are LITERALLY the midwit meme if you believe in studies like this
>>525895120>Others will just be doing it for social capital, of course, or to feel they are a 'good person', because they've been told this is what the good people believe.this is the large majority I believe, especially among boomers and Gen X who were never indoctrinated
>>525892528>>525893378Well put. Another I'd say is that Lefties have an insane need to deny that minorities ever scam them. They do discard inconveinant truths, and shitty "research" headlines like that are just bait.Actually its so indicative thats lefties appeal and need authority constantly. Most on the right side of thought seem to believe things ARE, but Lefties will look at something and then seek approval or disapproval. Like abortion which is obviously bad is good, loud violent niggers are good because music says so. Its really embarassing. The right is based on not denying or twisting reality or circumstances for some ideal communistic religious faith that no one voted for.
>What causes this?HE DOES HAVE A GOOD POINTHE'S RIGHT YOU KNOWNOW THAT THE DUST HAS SETTLEDSAY SOMETHING NICEPOWERFULREALLY MAKES YOU THINKWHAT ARE THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONSPUBLIC TRANSPORTATIONKNEELPOLITICALLY SPEAKINGAPOLOGIZEBASED OR CRINGELET ME GUESS YOU NEED MOREHOW DO YOU RESPOND WITHOUT SOUNDING MADWHAT DID HE MEAN BY THISWHY DO AMERICANSWHO WAS IN THE WRONGDAILY REMINDERWELL /POL/YOUR RESPONSEIT'S OVERPOL CAN'T REFUTE THISTHIS IS THE POST THAT KILLED /POL/POL BTFOTHOUGHTS?
>>525891695liberals are sma-AACKK
>>525891695>Socialism is a science based cult that says it uses science to arrive at all it's conclusions but actually all socialists are liars and will fudge data to get a desired result Yeah nice fantasy
>>525891695liberals so smart yet they fall for bullshit like pic related lol
>>525895014Interesting. How do you think they'd be emboldened? Do you mean progressive states would go hard on the pro-choice stance, leading to a net increase in abortions across the country?
>>525891695>category a and category c> vs. category b and category dwhat
>>525891791>Train an AI on the most leftist sources you can find>It's still hardcore NS and wants TKD TND if the kike don't literally put in place keyword recognition that blocks all thinking process and replaces it with a Mossad copypastaAnalyzing data objectively is Hitlerian, no matter how many times they try, every non-braindead AI wants to exterminate the jews and the nogs.
>>525891695Except when statistics disagree with a liberal's preconceived notion, they just say "muh socioeconomic factors and racism"
>>525891695>and those with / and those whois doing a lot of the lifting in that header
>>525891695imagine actually believing pop-science studies like this
>>525896053Actually a socialist or Marxist (mislabeled as liberal) will just lie
>>525891695Three types of lies:- Lies- Damned Lies- Statistics
>>525893378Yeah, I'll pick two. Spent years listen to the left rant about how Mexicans have a right to their indigenous Spanish language in Canada and the US and how English is a colonizer language. Started pointing out the simple very obvious that Spanish came from Spain in Europe. Leftists look like their brains are going to melt as apparently none of them ever even thought of that. Second, climate change. Apparently Canadian climate change activists for some reason believe Canada won't be touched. So the whole thing is for an excuse to bring a billion third world into Canada for a huge diversity party. Somehow the vast rising water wouldn't touch Vancouver, Halifax, or the rest of Canada's vast coastlines.
>>525896182They don't realize Mexicans are mixed race mongrels with no history or culture
>>525895635I believe they would use specific cases to generate a large tide of moral outrage across the West that would overwhelm the discourse in their favour.
>>525891695Weird, because whenever I post statistics about niggers, Jews, or Native Americans they get really mad and start creating copes.
>>525891695this proxyfag is really on a spamming tour right now
>>525891695>liberals like to seek out statistical dataYet somehow not one of them understand "per capita".
>>525891695>statistical datayou're a retard if you can't see how it's highly manipulative
>>525896453Jews can't fake graphs that's impossible
statisitics in general is bullshit a majority of the time
>>525896234..or that the mongrels are really just continued colonizers pushing Spain language.
>>525894899This, take the anthropology pill. Even though the right stems from traditionnal anthropology and ideas it increasingly looks like a farce that only defiles it. But then right wingers know leftists are stupid, malevolent retards so they feel backed against the wall. They dont believe their own bs when they say that this response wasnt disproportionate but what else should they do if they havent given up on this shitty modern world yet. It's all so disgusting.
>>525891771>>525891791>>525891854>>525891874And here comes those Organic posts.
>>525896182Their defence of anything indigenous just flips depending on what suits them. In my country, when people here point out that the indigenous people--Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Brithonic (sp?)--have a claim to their ancestral homeland, just like the native Americans, Inuit, Maoi etc the progressives flip 180 degrees from being blood and soil nationalists for brown natives to saying 'well, who can really own land, anyway, borders are just lines on maps' etc for white natives. Such interactions cumulatively build to a realisation that these people don't give a crap about the truth, logic, reason or any kind of moral consistency--whatever suits their desires and feelings becomes real at that point, and can flip in an instant.
>>525896659Nah something the socialist nigger worshipping mind cannot comprehend is the massive inferiority of most non white cultures. Mexican culture is a complete paper facade joke mostly made up in the last 100 years by the government in order to make the slave caste brown citizens feel better about living in a dysgenic rump state
>>525892528Leftists are so far down the rabbit hole, when I mentioned to my mom the bodycam footage that shows Floyd overdosing on his own drugs with the drug literally seen in his mouth and him screaming I can't breathe for 5 minutes before anyone touched him, she refused to even entertain the notion, she dismissed the very idea of seeing the bodycams by unironically saying it's "AI generated conspiracy theory lies". And those retards have the gall to pretend that people listening to their priests one morning a week were brainwashed, meanwhile they are listening to their white-coat priests multiple hours every single day.
>>525894129Life was normal for me during COVID. I didn't hide inside. I got it one time and it was like the flu, but only one symptom per day over the span of a week. Meanwhile, you faggots die if you exert yourself too much>>525893658Didn't happen, you are just a retard that deliberately misinterprets anything Trump says
>>525896782Agreed. Some years back I received a social media share by someone celebrating Europeans in Europe for World Indigenous Day.Seems legit. But of course that concept has the left furious.
>>525896293Yeah, that could happen. They'd probably show some sad story about how some poor, lesbian, Latino rape victim died in a back alley from an illegal abortion.But, I do think there is a way to counter the liberal moral arguments with conservative arguments, if only they could get through. Of course, that's because I take a pro-life stance and my reasoning has brought me to that position, so I'm bound to think it's persuasive. I don't think most people think deeply about the topic, so could very well be susceptible to progressive propaganda.
>>525897390I agree, but > if only they could get through.is a big if
>>525892885Explain how killing a baby before and after they exit a vagina differTime? Calories?How does killing a baby differ from killing a toddler?Time? Calories?In any case, that person doesnt grow up
>>525897736it's just not an effective argument. I could just say>explain how a few week old fetus DOESN'T differ from a three month premature baby.for an easy redd*t gotcha
>>525891695So conservatives are smarter this time? Wtf?Left side is more delusional/autisitc?
>>525891695>source: an "expert" told me
Marcuse was a lefty liberal and a literal Frankfurt school socialist and he condemned the priority of technical viewpoints over holistic ones
>>525891695Didn't the left literally lock down the entire west because "experts" said it's a good idea? Didn't they subject themselves and anyone they got their hands on to an experimental and unproven medical treatment that had no effect on what it was supposed to fight, becaus "experts" told them to?
>>525891695> What causes this?Reddit faggot posting hive mind retard shit from faggot academics. Congratulations, you are a fag too.
>>525897390>liberal moral argumentsman you're an idiot, the argument for abortion is based on socialism, it has nothing to do with liberalism. It's entirely an outside political platform in the US political sphere
>>525897568I suppose, because they view abortion as murder (as do I), they feel morally obliged to do something about it.It's a clash of world views in the West, with liberalism having dominance over conservative Christian views which is a shame (at least, from my perspective).
>>525898508Abortion is pretty easy to defeat but people are very dumb. Don't draw attention to the main people pushing abortion in the US being socialist jewish student organizations and the heavy hitters were almost always the children of communist illegal immigrant jews
>>525898645>Abortion is pretty easy to defeatgo on then
>>525891695Browsing Reddit, tumblr and 4chan for the last 10 years and in particular 2020 would disprove this.Liberals are always crying out to trust le experts. Chuds post 13/50 stats and bell curves all day long.
>>525898645How do you defeat it when your opponents don't even believe in human nature, let alone an immortal soul or in-depth thinking like potentials and other categories.If you stress them a bit they admit that their worldview is incoherent and that they concdece defeat yet they end up pursuing hte same policies becaus it feels good for them.
>>525898733Ah so the problem isn't abortion at all it's socialist philosophy? The problem is telling liberals that they're using liberal philosophy when they're actually using socialist philosophy? What group of individuals would even be motivated to try and convince people events like civil rights were liberal movements Then the problem is that the people that believe in abortion are simply lied to about the facts of why abortion even exists
>>525898645the brit is also correct in that the masses use liberal moral arguments in their own reasoning when considering abortion, regardless of who is actively pushing for it.
>>525898829They can't be using socialist philosophy since they're denying the roots of that as well.They're simpleton evil retards.
>>525898917No the estoppel that believe in abortion are fundamentally socialists, it's just that entry level socialism is very easy to understand as it's just an ideology that was created to justify murdering shop keepers
>>525891695It's the smugness really that I hate about leftists
>>525891695>Liberals are smartHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>525891695>muh side smart>you side dumbIf you're on a "side", you are retards
>>525891695Thats why you believe men can give birth, russiagate was real but hunters laptop was fake and why you got vaccinated right? Plus the electon of 2020 was legit right?If this is a troll it just makes us laugh at you.
>>525898892there is no liberal moral argument for killing an unborn child, it's always murder
>>525898829The Romans did not believe someone acquired personhood until after birth and was accepted by the paterfamilias. Before then exposing them was allowed and commonI would say that being anti-abortion is if anything more of a liberal position given that it's based on human rights, all life is sacred even if it isn't sentient etc.
>>525891695I don’t know blue checkmarks and marble statue profile pictures were "experts"
>>525892528Um excuse me trust the science
>>525892463You sound vaccinated
>>525899074>individual freedom over state control
>>525898994No they aren't. They'd be the first on the wall in a Vanguard socialist revolution.I've studied Socialism and I reject it as a project. I like many of its ideas but there's no room to share with those people.By Socialism I obivously mean the post-Marxist project.You can be an utopian/Christian socliast all you want, that's actually good.
>>525899084go tell the romans you were hurling viable children into the landfill because shanaynay doesn't know any better
>>525899158>state control over murderSo socialists think the individual should have the right to murder people?
>>525899158Individual freedom of a child not to get murdered.
>>525899161The first people on the wall in a socialist revolution ARE the useful idiot socialists like the jewish students and activists that pushed abortion, yes
>>525898350You don't know what you're talking about. I'd suggest reading a few books.
>>525899200materalist liberals don't see fetuses as people
>>525892106It's pretty horrible reading into his situationHow MIT was upset but didn't actually care.And then his project was used to map out loads of medical research (particularly into cancer) that had been suppressed and correlations between corporations winning lawsuits and corrupt judges, and suddenly the entire apparatus of the law was coming down on him.
>>525894416True compassion requires considering reality and pragmatic likely outcomes. Butchering children is never about compassion it is about asserting control and virtue signaling. It is barbaric, abusive, and selfish.
>>525899258>>525899285
>>525899262See the problem isn't that your eenemies have an inpenetrable defense, you're jsut set up to not be able to win arguments with them because you're being lied to as to what their position actually is. And then the people you're arguing with aren't actually educated at all and are being lied to as well
>>525899334Don't care for opinions, facts say they are, ergo their rights not to get murdered trump any other.
>>525899317I wasn't talking about abortion there. I agree with you though. Empathy is also a precursor to proper judgement of character yet they use it to mean treating adults as babies. ''compassion'' has become perverted
>>525891695>>Liberals are smartNo , they are dumb. > and seek out real statisticsAnd believe fake statisticsConservatives are smart and don't believe lies and statistics,and form an opinion based on a number of actual EXPERTS in the field We all know democrats are dumb , poor and low iq.
>>525899453>exploiting people's feelingsdid you know socialism is entirely based on the idea that the state should provide the individual happiness?
>>525891695Didn't you get the memo, comrade?>Statistics are racist.
>>525891695>liberals use midwit programming>low IQ reds use Intution>high IQ reds simply use Noticing and Pattern RecognitionPerfect example of the bell curve at play.>1pbtidOivey what a cohencidence!
>>525891923Why would you shame republicans for being gay? I thought you were in favor of faggots.
>>525891771>>525891874THIS.This anon is correct. Modern "Science" is mostly fake. A lot of it is easily disprovable by normal people who are just curious to look into it. >I wish more people realized that like> 80% of these "studies" and "research" you see online are either done by college students for a assignment >(which they do by using each other as the "sample") >and the rest of them are done my marketing teams that are pushing somethingOr glowniggers pushing something.
>>525891695>not disregarding every piece of external information and being your own creative nothingness to produce the reality you wantWeak ass britches being spooked by society.
>>525892130>A lot of science, wich is not proofable except for some calculations are pseudo and fake,>with the base of already faked pseudo researches.>Then they relay on jewish spread bullshit >and tell everyone its scienceThis , this is how modern fake "science" works.
>>525899651the entire global production has been turned into share holder profits and gorillions of third worlders like chinese are flooding into fields with labs and the only way they can get noticed is completely lying about all their results
>>525892722>pregnancies last 9 monthsclearly not ways the case retard>blending up what is and looks like a baby into a fine slop is a perfectly rational thing, goyim
>>525891695>liberal expert>mfw I’m retarded enough to believe them >mfw expert liberal >mfw expert retard>my pants when I realize OP is comically unaware that if he uses a term that can apply to the opposing sides viewpoint it’s shitty propaganda/bait and immediately outs him to be the infamous expert he’s talking aboutIts you, you’re the retard Neo.
>>525899508that's a little bit of a strawman but you're not wrong in principle
>>525899730 >and gorillions of third worlders like chinese are flooding into fields with labs Agree , lost of fake chinese, and 100% of all Indians are fake.
>>525899581Actually. From serious empirical evidence that's been re-tested people who use intuition lean on the higher IQ side.Iain McGilchrist worte narrative around it citing all the papers if you want to look into it.
>>525899804You misconstrued my post entirely
>>525897980they are both human and alive
>>525899897Good answer.
>>525899285This anon is correct. The liberal mindset regarding the moral framing of abortion is based around bodily autonomy and the contention that the fetus is not a 'person'. The key factor in the latter being that they are happy to discard the notion of human rights in order to allow women the ability to enjoy consequence-free fun. Consequences and reality are seen as oppressive forces acting against the woman's freedom to decide how she wants to live and her control over the only thing she truly owns--her body. No other entity, in the liberal worldview, can interfere with what is hers to control by right, so nobody may mandate against it.As stated earlier, the argument in terms of the human rights of the human inside here is countered (in their opinion) by invoking the notion of 'personhood' rights that do not apply to non-persons (the fetus).I agree with this statement here >>525899074 but you need to read up on the pro-choice arguments, or you'll not be able to argue effectively. And you need to understand that the pro-choice argument is not based on socialist arguments but on liberal ones, as difficult to swallow as that may be (most conservatives start off as liberals, before realising the flaws in liberalism).
>>525899819I'm not stawmanning lol. The reason the modern left is so stupid is because they're socialists but they don't know what socialism is and then the establishment jews and institutions lie to them and tell them they're liberals. If the institutions told them they were socialists they'd immediately stop supporting abortion in the US because socialism is heresy here (if "the people" catch wind of it)
>>525899849>Actually. From serious empirical evidence that's been re-tested people who use intuition lean on the higher IQ side.I'm not surprised since a lot of Intuition is simply a reflection of experience, expectation from experience, and questioning when reality deviates from expectation.Libs make up fake shit like "emotional intellect", but I think "experiential intellect" instead is real and has value not reflected in IQ tests that have become increasingly pozzed anyway.
>>525900287The guy is amazing.I love his works first of all then I've found out that the guy is an endless source of knoweldge and inspiration.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Le9_gRrowThere's nothing to hold against him, his degrees are pristine, there's nothing wrong with his works, it's all done at the highest level of intellect and conscientiousness that a human can achieve, yet listen to the guy.
>>525900084Abortion is just to feed fetuses to Moloch and Passover suppers anyway.We have plenty of contraception methods which don't require giving Dr Pedostein getting his Passover Roast.It's like advocating for amputation over an infection for which antibiotics exist and are available.
>>525899343If not liberalism, as I mention here >>525900084 (with you tagged), what are the pro-choice arguments? The ones I've come across in my research are, once you get past the surface-level arguments, all to do with the bodily autonomy of the woman which is a clear liberal view. It's not got anything to do with collective ownership--it's to do with the individual right a person has over their body, liberty, consent etc which are all core liberal views.I appreciate that we in the West have been programmed to exhalt liberalism so much that it's difficult to accept that it may lead to something as awful as the abortion industry, but it does.
>>525900601The socialist argument for abortion is that the state is responsible for women once they leave the house and must provide easy access to abortions so they can avoid having to raise a child and get into the government as a social worker
>>525900287>>525900437useful tl;dr of some important aspect of his work: https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1768313881666627.webm
>>525891695Both sides do this as most statistics are faked to push narratives and thats how they want it, the Truth will always be obscured just look at how the food industry in America was conducting themselves until recently, Thier Lobbying partners seething that the Truth about thier shitty over processed foods out in the open meaning that people will now start buying locally effectively puts an end to major super market monoply I hope that we return to the bodega and minimart way of life those were comfy times.
>>525900149>The reason the modern left is so stupid is because they're socialists but they don't know what socialism is and then the establishment jews and institutions lie to them and tell them they're liberals. That's definitely right about America.
>>525891695>expert opinionsOnly the ones you agree with though.
>>525891695>>Liberals are smart and seek out real statisticsLike per-capita? Asking for a friend.
>>525891695>statistics versus mechanisms of actionSounds like popularity polling and not actually statistical analysis.>>525891791>13/50 statisticsNot like that!
liberals will never understand how others gather and value information, every description of it onlly serves to self-aggrandize and validate their own world view.there are greater truths that "statistics and data" cannot capture. also, have they ever considered that a minority opinion could be correct over a hoard of retards?
>>525891695That’s not my experience at all. I work in a data oriented industry, and I find the “liberals” are following influencers and media talking heads, while the more conservative are citing examples. The Rush Limbaugh dittoheads are thirty some odd years ago, today it’s the left who are often not thinking critically.
>>525891854ahahahahahahha https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13649291/republican-national-convention-grindr-dating-app-crash-milwaukee.html
Here's the guys that pushed abortion in the US on the college front >Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) is a broadly progressive, national student organization with local chapters that actively campaigns for abortion rights and reproductive justice. (...) many SDS members have been historically and are currently Jewish>SDS chapters across the United States have been consistently engaged in the fight for reproductive rights>SDS groups have specifically pressured university administrations to provide abortions and other reproductive healthcare services, such as Plan B vending machines, directly on campus.>oppose all restrictions (on abortion) >Early figures in SDS and related New Left movements, such as Heather Booth, who founded the "Jane Collective" (an underground abortion counseling service before Roe v. Wade), were Jewish.>The high rate of Jewish participation in such activism often aligns with the Jewish community's broader support for civil rights and social justice causesor you know, they're all fucking communists
>>525894899When has it not been that way?
>>525900732Not really--that's an argument for who should provide the abortion, not to whether abortion should be legal and considered morally fine. It then becomes a 'right'. Once the liberals have laid the moral groundwork, it's then the socialist who may say the government should provide them (along with housing and other 'rights').
>>525893774>high power anti-parasitic shitIvermectin is a safe and common aniparasitic that is used as both a lomg term prophylactic and treatment. People in Africa take it for years as preventive medicine.
>>525901488See you don't understand what socialism is. Socialism is the belief that the state HAS to make people happy. Socialists thus are saying, women have the RIGHT to have unprotected sex in college and colleges MUST provide abortions to prevent the unwanted pregnancies so that they can keep having sex while going to school. There are no laws in a society where there are no human rights and everything is based on what the government says makes you happy.
>>525896843This is exactly how it is. I don't understand why other people aren't ashamed about things like this. I'm getting close to suicide because the self awareness is killing me. I hate izzat culture. There's nothing cool about having a pride in a fake cope identity.
>>525891695seek out fbi crime statspsypost is hilariously bad
>>525891771This is how leftist do statistics. Also, their experta are other leftist who never worked in the field and only got a degree from a meme university.But yes, Koshervatives get their info grom jewish sources and only hear to jewish experts.Both sides hear only to their type of favorite jew.
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>>525892841>Cultural destruction is a future riskIt already fucking happened you lying cocksucker.>happy holidaysHalloween is basically a memory because nobody is going to let kids walk around nigger filled neighbourhoods.Nobody goes out to socialize any more because there are no culturally homogenous places to go.You can watch any movie from 30 years ago and you'll wonder what the fuck happened. Watch something like Kundskabens Trae and you'll get even more cultural whiplash about what was taken from you. Media itself, you know, the cultural medium, have all turned against their own society.People born the last 30 years won't even be able to describe what their culture is because it is fucking gone.
>>525891695The blank slate has been shown time and time again to be false so the response from "liberals" is to ban and criminalise all discussion of it.The term liberal in itself is false, there is nothing liberal about the modern left, they are Marxist authoritarians who protect the state orthodoxy at all costs.
>>525891695Trust the experts, commie.
>>525901961>The post-revolutionary government, primarily through the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI), promoted mestizaje—the idea of a unified "cosmic race"
>>525891695hmm...as a conservativeI'd like to see the sample in this unmentioned study and the sampling method.
>>525891695>clickbait articles with links to studies that you need a paywall to unlock the sample size and breadth of the study.Yawn
>>525903015>(la raza cósmica) was a specific concept articulated by the prominent Mexican philosopher José Vasconcelos in his 1925 essay of the same name [1].>the blending of different races (specifically Indigenous, European, African, and Asian) in Latin America would produce a superior, fifth "cosmic" race, destined to lead humanity's future [1]
>>525895139jew seeks out statistics, liberal looks at xitter image by jew
>>525903102>you want the appendix?>what's that?>bro we're just reading the headlines, chill out
>>525891695Leftists love to fellate themselves so much it's actually unreal. They need to constantly signal to each other, "we are smart, they're stupid". It's not enough to just ban opposing voices and create an echo chamber, but you must constantly reinforce the illusory superiority with lies. It's so absurdly pathetic that I don't even have words to describe it.
>>525891695>libtards inverting the truth>libtards inventing fake statsEvery time.
>>525903382If they don't regularly signal their allegiance to the faith, their friends will mark them as heretics and lynch them for clout pointsLeftists have no concept of loyalty, there's no group more eager to kill leftists than other leftists
Reminder that most niggers are socially conservative
>>525903382Reaction image from a very left book/movie, curious.
>>525903618If you think about it the idea of a nigger is a social construct itself, mostly based on shitposting, fears and fantasies.>A lot of black people kill each other in ghettos.Well it's their own social reality and it's just among them for the most part if you check statistics.
>>525891695And yet, the majority of liberals are sub 100 iq whites and niggers/beaners/various shit skins, who have a real average iq below 80.
>>525903382The best way to explain it is that they view superiority as equivalent to the ivory tower, so they try to build their own exclusive tower in hopes that it one day becomes ivory.
>>525903382It's almost like socialism is based on a lie born out of French hysteria caused by England mindbreaking them.
>we've investigated ourselves and found out we're the most beautiful, the most intelligent, the most reasonable, the nicest, and just the best in general!Sounds legit to me.The irony about this is that leftists still have an internalised hatred of both the self and their perceived in-group (i.e. oikophobia) despite all this performative ego pumping that's being shamelessly peddled as a "study".
>>525903578they don't have a concept of justice either, otherwise they would be centrists at best, which gets them gulaged
>>525891695>Liberals are smart This faggot OP with norway flag has been baking 1pbtid threads at the rate of five per minute.The fact that his threads get bumped reveals that he's not working alone!
>>525903382The hilarious part being when they actually try and systematically lose to the dumbest facebook pro-Trump supporters.
>>525901691The right to have unprotected sex and the right to an abortion come from liberal principles--the idea that people have individual rights, particularly with regards to their bodies.Socialists may say that the state should be used to facilitate the provision of whatever services lead to happiness, but it's the liberals who decide what should be considered morally good in the society. The socialism comes after--it's more about how society practically realises the type of morality the liberals espouse.Make abortion morally wrong and viewed as detrimental and the socialists have no excuse to use the state.Note, most socialists hold liberal values and these are what direct the socialist actions (ie I think this is good so the state should do it).
>>525891695They are being selective with which statistics are included though. Same with “only conservatives like conspiracy theories,” they just exclude the ones liberals believe in (Russiagate). It’s just a circlejerk.
>>525904647>The right to have unprotected sex and the right to an abortion come from liberal principlesOh you mean the "liberal" party in england? the one heavily influenced by french socialists?
>>525904910you don't even have to be selective. 90%+ of "conclusions" in politics based on statistics are retarded to begin with.
>>525891695Rightoids are just an abortion of the educational system they're in. They don't like science or studying and go full fox & grapes with it. Sometimes not complicating things is good and they get some facts right, like niggers and jews.
>>525891695>statistical datasomehow they used it only when it's convenient to them
>>525891695>Liberals are smart and seek out real statisticsand completely ignore those statistics or straight up lie about it.
>>525905418>conservatives failed the socialist progressive indoctrination in public schools, us leftists are fully assimilated oh.... wow
>>525905139Socialists tend to promote abortion because it helps to equalise women's role in society (unrestricted access to work, education etc), which helps with class discrepancies but it is not to do with the moral aspect of abortion itself and if it's right or wrong--they view abortion as a tool. Some socialist countries have banned abortion, usually for pragmatic reasons, like if they need to boost their population.I can see where some of your logic has started from--that, because of the natural state of man, the purpose of society is to increase happiness and sleeping around without consequence makes some women happy--but that's to do with what constitutes a good and happy life, and that, for these people, is based on the liberal principle that freedom brings happiness.So, you're right when you say socialists promote abortion, but it's done for pragmatic reasons and is not the primary justification used to protect abortion rights. The vast majority of pro-choice people will not defend abortion to reduce class barriers--they will shout at you 'her body, her choice' which is a liberal principle (bodily autonomy).There is no such thing as some theory being 100% from a certain school of thought, with no overlap, but the vast majority of pro-choice arguments made in the fiercely liberal US are the liberal bodily autonomy argument. If you don't believe me, join a crowd of them and see what's the most often cited reason for their support of abortion.
>>525906556Nah, the pursuit of happiness is as far as you can go claiming liberalism is like socialism, and that's why socialists latch onto the declaration of independence. Go read the declaration of rights and man you will find no mention of women's rights
>>525907053Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen*
>>525905139Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying socialists don't promote abortion, they absolutely do. What I'm saying is that abortion is favoured by socialists and liberals for different reasons and that it has been legal in the highly individualistic (liberal) US, even going back decades to when the country was far more socially conservative because of the liberal values that run through the culture of the country and its governmental structures.If you try to fight the socialist aspect of it, you'll not even touch the other 90%, which is due to liberal principles.But, you can certainly fight the socialists on all their other demonic shit.
>>525907053I'm not claiming liberalism is like socialism, I was trying to figure out where your previous argument regarding the state being obliged to make people happy was coming from.You obviously can't let go of your liberalism because you feel it's all about freedom if speech, property rights etc and is an un-alloyed good that couldn't possibly lead to that thing you dislike. But, eventually, even a battered woman in denial has to face the truth at some point. And the truth is that abortion rights are a liberal principle.
>>525891695Literally projecting.
>>525907255The US's "progressive socialist" trajectory being called liberal is really all there is to this psyop. Likewise the 19th century "liberals" in england did not go uncorrupted by continental socialists. What you call "liberalism" is actually progressivism and it's the marriage of latent utopian christian ideals in liberalism with progressive socialist french ideas. The "best" example of that kind of "liberal" in the US is somebody like John Brown who murdered people over slavery existing. Because if you didn't know, most of the complaining about slavery was actually a facade for sectional imperial interests and the US isn't some enlightened utopia
>>525891695it's literally the other way around
they lump in all the christcucks as "conservatives"
>>525891695>>Liberals are smart and seek out real statistics
>>525891695Both sides are dumb and just listen to (((experts))). If you buy into the whole red team vs. blue team constant distraction you're basically retarded.
>>525891695>>Liberals are smart and seek out real statisticsBut only from (((Approved))) sources.>>Conservatives are dumb and just listen to (((experts)))Then filter everything through their own bullshit meter.>What causes this?Laziness, mostly. Everyone wants their side to win, that's just how tribalism is.
>>525901539Any anti-parasitic is going to wreck havoc on your system if you don't purge your body correctly. I mean I know that sounds basic but most people are too dumb to get rotting parasites in your gut isn't good.
>>525891695The premise alone is flawed.
>>525907689what you call progressivism is actually leftism and always has been. leftism's essential purpose is about killing the enemy. leftism as a political stance existed because the people seated on the left side of the french house of commons killed the people who werent seated on the left side of the french house of common. leftist is foundationally a pejorative term and is correctly applied to its aspirants.
>>525907689The important thing is that you and I are both trying to help rid the world of the atrocity that is the mass murder of babies, so there's that.But, just to continue onwards, is your centention that bodily autonomy is not a liberal principle? Is ask because that's 90% (estimate, obviously) of the arguments from Westerns you will hear in favour of abortion. It's always 'her body, her choice'. If you went to a pro-choice rally in the US and canvassed reasons for support, I think you'd find that the number that say it's a woman's choice because it's her body will dwarf the number that say argue their primary support is to reduce class divisions.
what about these statistics
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these too
>>525891695>What causes this?biad liberals who are doing the exact thing they say they're not doing by using an authoritative source (expert opinion) as a singular data point. no one believes this nonsense by the way. i mean, it's just libtards who gaslight that they have the intellectual high ground while dismissing that the other side already understands what they do, and it's them who are left with an incomplete understanding and are unwittingly cooperating with the world's foremost problem (the jewish problem).
>>525891923That doesn't even make sense. They have the online infrastructure to handle 1million fags in San Francisco but 20,000 conservatives with some unknown number being gay somehow crash it? It's not even a regionally based service. If their cell data allows it, it will work.
>>525891695>and just listen to (((experts)))Are you serious? The covid scam proved all leftists are brainwashed subhuman that will follow any order from whoever they consider superior, while a small part of conservatives actually have a soul and will not fall for evil bullshit.
>>525891695>Conservatives are dumb and just listen to (((experts)))Yeah mate covid was only 4 years ago but we've all COMPLETELY forgotten who listens to the (((experts))).Neck yourself retard.
>>525892722>pregnancies last 9 monthsSo if a woman has been pregnant for 8 months and 20 days I can cut the baby out and smash it with a hammer without violating any moral standard?
>>525912527Kek, 'Rape Map'. Add to cart.
>>525891695>both "sides" claim the same crap about each other>guess who laughs while going to the bankEvery single time. This shit works so perfectly by now I cannot even be mad. If I were one of them I'd probably do it as well.
>>525891695Kikes actually can’t stop reverse-uno carding can they kek, yeah thanks reddit for pretending you’re not the proponents of factchecking “imright.com/faggot” websites and have total aversion to huge documents and shit and need it spoonfed by buzzfeed articles or shit
>im retarded the postkike
>>525891695>(((experts)))So close.
>>525913008>>525913008>biadbias*
>>525912340In a state of nature I'm pretty sure killing your kid is still an atrocity
why are conservative retarded?
>>525891695That's the opposite of the truth. Conservatives tend to use statistical data like 13% do most of the violent crime. Meanwhile liberals ask you for a degree and defer to " expert " opinions when arguing.
>>525891695“Science” is just propaganda in modern day time.
>>525896888> when I mentioned to my mom the bodycam footage that shows Floyd overdosing on his own drugs with the drug literally seen in his mouth and him screaming I can't breathe for 5 minutes before anyone touched him, she refused to even entertain the notion
>>525891695This is projection and gaslighting from the left also shows how the left has major right Brian side damage and can’t objectively observe and understand reality
>>525918004Indeed. Same deal with my dad and the "iron maiden torture instrument". I told him that there is no historical source of it ever being used on anyone, that to rationally believe it was used you needed some kind of source (I'm not even saying the sources are fake, there are genuinely no sources at all) and all he could muster was "but I saw it at the museum! I took photos! Do you want to see the photos? I have photos! At the museum!"The overwhelming majority of people do not care about the very idea of evidence, only about narratives, no matter how blatantly untrue what they're believing is.
>>525913265Exactly this the left just lies and projects
>>525918499Picrel very relevant.
>>525917357Indeed, but do you not think bodily autonomy is a liberal principle?
>>525913408This even my most redpilled friend took the vax and now has regret and cope about it took him years to accept Jewish question seriously and objectively even though he basically knew everything else even about them to be fair he didn’t spend anytime on sites like this where autistic people carefully documented everything Jews did for thousands of years though but still the propaganda being perpetrated by Jews during Henry Fords era has been insanely effective for the past 100 or so years but it looks like that is over now
>>525891695Opposite is the truth. Right wingers use statistics and left wingers rule them out. Like actively and consistently are known for ruling out statistics. So this is obvious propaganda, statistics are practically synonymous with racism ffs
>>525918642>is procreation a liberal principleno I think that's like something even algae do and they don't seem too enlightened
>>525891695Reall niggas get it from dreams.
>>525891695>Intuition>Singular data pointsThe author doesn't understand how intuition works. Modern education really is a sight to behold.
>>525913265This, clearly it was bullshit propaganda intended to smear the right.
>>525891695now you know why sweden censors their crime statistics
>>525896693Holy fuck KILL YOURSELF and don’t ever fucking steal my line again or I WILL find out who you are irl
>>525891695I get all of my facts from a small group of online racists
>>525913497Kek vax cattle are the worst.Naturally most are leftoids...
>Liberals when you ask them what a woman is
>>525918619Yeah now the lies are coming apart because men have been lied to to such an insane degree for far too long
>>525891695That’s why you always hear liberals talking about 13/50 and per capitaCommies will piss in your ear and tell you it’s raining
