It is lonely being a libertarian in 2025. 10 years ago, there were at least a small contingent of libertarians in America. Nowadays it feels like all the libertarians are gone and both MAGA and the Left hate you.
>>525920193>both MAGA and the Left hate youSounds like you are on the right path anon
>>525920193we didn't leave him, we just grew up.
It is 2026 though
>>525920193What if there was no centralized violence and everybody agreed to follow the rules out of pure reason
>>525920193Had its high watermark. I was a libertarian, everyone I knew was a libertarian, the internet especially was a libertarian. And so would you be if you "had" a million dollars in 1999 money for using a cracked version of Dreamweaver. If you didn't, what was wrong with you? Only, of course, you didn't really have a million dollars at all, just a funny piece of paper.
>>525920373This is true.
Being libertarian implies a political solution that doesn't exist. Yeah dude we'll just like get rid of government overreach through democratic means. Libertarians never win power because they argue on principled policy, which never gets votes. So you're in a pickle, no one will vote for you because your policies are soft, yet you believe in the democratic process to achieve your goals. Atleast a lot of ancaps are willing to fight for their principles.
Libertarians are naive as fuck and shouldn't get in power. The US should use it's military when it's best for Americans like we did with Venezuela. A Libertarian would have us do nothing and be weaker, putting us in a worse position if ww3 every kicks off.
>>525920193They all left high school and realized that no government at all, not even environmental protection or road construction was absolutely moronic, and gen z doesn't care. Grow up and get your toast making license.
>>525920373>we didn't leave him, we just grew up.It is sad when you realize that Libertarianism is not wrong about how things should be, just wrong in thinking that it can be.The fallen nature of man cannot be overcome with mere logic.
>>525920373A decade of young libertarian sympathizing men who wanted to enjoy their entertainment and be left alone. Grew up to resent commie faggots forcing their views on everything...
>>525920193You were supposed to evolve bro.You were only supposed to stay in your libertarian form for 10 years max.There is certain artist whose spirit should be rising from the grave soon.It’s time for you to listen to his wise words.
>>525920193I am a libertarian at heart, but the left has built the government too large and trying to control culture too much to try and dismantle chunks of it right away. The machine they built must be turned on them, and only then can it be dismantled.
>>525920193all the tech oligarchs leading the world into neo feudalism are your guysare you winning yet?
>>525920193I used to be a libertarian why before they were the open border kind in fact that was the final nail in the coffin for me when they started promoting that. But I don't hate them in fact I'll take a truly libertarian society over what we have as long as it was 90+,% White, because a truly libertarian society is not even really feasible at a 100% White but it's definitely impossible at only 56% White so I'm not going to waste one btu of energy in trying to make it happen.
>>525920819Only anarchists I have met are leftist faggots, who can't egomaniac vote their utopia will exist without the threat of force haha.
>>525920193An immature ideology with nothing to offer and certainly no answers to the problems of modern reality
After a certain amount of time living & working in the real world you begin to realize about 60% of people (conservatively estimating) are overgrown toddlers and self-governance isn’t realistic.
stormfags convinced libertarians that we need fascism before we can have libertarianism
>>525920193Because libertarianism basically got absorbed by both parties and all the old libertarians became ancaps or went full communist somehow. You guys had YEARS to figure something out and you dropped the ball. It wasn't even jews this time, it was YOU. YOU fucked up. Years of trying to rebrand and re-market libertarianism FAILED. That's the honest truth.
>>525920743What is needed for libertarianism to succeed is a country founded on antisocialism. Not natsocs which is just gayopped Marxism and anti Bolshevik while acting like Bolsheviks, but actually against the core methodologies of Marxism explicitly and fundamentally.
>>525921272Didn't need a rebrand Needed the press and every NEET online to not be all blatantly lying about it at onceBranding is just a fancy term for lying
>>525920193they're still the party I'm most closely aligned too, even if I don't agree with them on everything. I recognize it's a fantasy at this point and would only work in a homogenous society, and the only way to a homogenous society is extreme right wing nationalism. Did have a liberal cousin tell me to 'grow up' when he found out I lean libertarian. I guess maturity is wanting a nanny state overseeing your life every step of the way.
>>525920193libertarians are the ultimate simps
>>525920456... And other crazy science fiction stories
>>525920373This. Libertarianism leads to madness to finding the solution to communism: Fascism.
>>525920193>It is lonely being a libertarian in 2025.Have you considered growing up?
>>525920193Being a lolbert should be a fairly radical position... No professional armies, CSA were right, no incorporation of the BoR, Voter Rights Act unconstitutional etc etc. I mean the Constitution has been materially violated since like 1803.. and their solution is to elect people to congress to go give speeches about the budget. It is the gayest thing ever. Seems like with half of them, all they care about is dudeweed420.
>>525920193its because lolbertarianism is the goofiest, most unrealistic political ideology on earth. i take avowed communists, fascists, and islamists more seriously than i take lolbertarians.>but if we let monsanto and northrop-grumman have EVEN MORE freedom then our lives would somehow get better!
Cause libertarianism doesn't work in multiracial countries and is easy to exploit. Its a joke of an ideology, all anarcho/libertarian systems are. >Da free market will solve it!The market is importing infinity jeets and turd worlders for cheap labor. Go ahead, compete against that in the free market.
>>525920193>It is lonely being a libertarian in 2025According to leftists you guys have tons of peers because you're far right.
>>525920193>both MAGA and the Left hate youBased
>>525920193>bar dexterties never lie
>>525920193It used to just mean small government and capitalism. It means something else these days, no surprise it's almost entirely defunct.
>>525920743There is nothing about lolbertarianism itself that requires or is logically connected to HOW change should occur. All lolberts would probably agree the constitution has been stomped on for generations. This begs a question with two basic paths all lolberts have to make a decision about:>1. The Constitution is being violated but we should abide by and try to undo and fix the many decades of unconstitutional institutions. Or2. The Constitution has been materially violated for a long time. It is therefore null and void as to all parties.
>>525920193>*a collectivized pack of niggers teleports in front of you*What do, libertarian?
>>525920193>why isn't anyone else a goofy gatekeeper?Real fuckin mystery.
>>525920193We found out white males were systemically excluded and the white race is dying out and other races are explicitly identity zero sum politics in mindset.We also learned that theres no free market in America anymore it’s a fake and gay economy and smaller government won’t fix that and just abolishing government will lead to “the road” style conditions given how integrated the supply chain is to the fake global financial system. We seen how feminism and weed have effectively destroyed the family unit creating mass dysfunction that makes self rule unlikely. Finally we’ve reevaluated basic free market theory and found its just plain incorrect about how money forms and so much more and that theres no such thing as a stateless market capitalist economy
>>525921460Even the most libertarian states said fuck that shit or went fucking retarded (alaska). The tea party was an attempt to rebrand and it failed. Libertarians couldn't rally properly after 9/11. It's a meme party and has been for decades. Proof of this is that the fucking GREEN party and unironic eco-fascists pull more votes now, despite being directed by kikes.If you actually want libertarians to be anything other than an edgy retard party, you need a serious rebrand and youth that actually believes in it. This is the age of tiktok videos, if you had a Nick Fuentes (or preferably a white person) to espouse those views, you might get pull and press.
>>525920193At least you stick to your principles anon I personally think lolberts are tools of capital but at least you guys are consistent with what you believe I do respect that. Sorry you are lonely try getting a dog
>>525920193LIBERTARIAN REPORTING IN
>>525920912Views are always being forced. Burgerland exported its worship of sex, guns, war, drugs, worldwide and you were silent. Mayhaps it simply aligns with your views instead of you taking some enlightened neutral position.
>>525920193>Nooo the ideology that believes that selling child sex-slaves is objectively morally "right" is declining!Fucking awesome man. I mean, surely you didn't believe that individuals had an objective moral right to do whatever they wanted, right ? It's not as if morality was subjective and rights consensual recognition of freedoms, right ?On a more serious ground libertarians lost because they tried to enforce their meme deontologic moral system rather than recognizing that we simply have a common interest in paying less taxes, being conservative and having less state overreach. The thing is, once you realize this, there's nothing stopping you from going down the conservative line rather than "muh self-ownership" pipeline
>>525921663Lolbertarianism doesnt necessarily have to be the dorm room version of it that midwits have interpreted. I mean a general emphasis on legitimate government by consent, democracy/republicanism, individual rights, preference for local rather than national delegation of authority, checks and balances, preference for smaller government etc etc. all these things are essentially lolbertarian in nature and there is nothing unrealistic or silly about them.
>>525922069Woah woah frog-anon. You don't want child sex slaves and prostitution? That's their heckin liberty.
like 95% of lolberts were really just weedicts who only cared about dudeweeed and nothing else. now that it's effectively legalized they have no reason to stick around for real lolbert things like shutting down the fed and the epa.
>>525920193libertarianism will make a comeback whenever any of these other assholes in this thread take power and fuck everything up
>>525920193i gave up on libertarianism for two reasons. first the big Ls were all retarded hardline faggots who couldn't get their idea of purity of ideology out of the way long enough to draw people in. nobody thinks children should be able to buy heroin. no street niggas are going to be sold on gun rights because they can use them to fight government tyranny. gary johnson was a mud mouthed idiot whos running mate told people to vote for hilldawg. the second reason is it only works in an all white high trust society. the non aggression principle is too far beyond the average brown retard's grasp.
>>525920796>Libertarians are naiveJust like Communism sounds like a good Idea when you first heard it. The reality is there can never be a true libertarian or commie structure because humans are inherently greedy selfish violent beings who need guard rails to keep them in line.
>>525922631Libertarian Tipping Point soon
>>525922187Thats called equity capitalism and it requires two elements that specifically Jews in libertarianism have rejected and encoded that rejection into the ideology 1) a strong local community - a self interested tribe - with rules that obligate individuals to some sort of prioritization of the general tribal well being2) a community ideology - a folk religion - that binds people to common values.If you don’t have those things or reject them, you need debt capitalism which is exploitative and a dead end. Hence the use of wars and fake manufactured social drama to distract people from deprivations while a very select lucky set of rich individuals get to live in a bubble of “muh free choices be who I want.”
>>525920193>I just want to be left aloneYea but you won't be.Not by globohomo communism.Not by Nazism.So pick a side or flee to Uruguay or whatever.
>>525920193become a silver stacker it's basically nothing but based libertarians who want the end of the Federal Reserve and COMEX.
>>525922700Alot of lolbert notions are good ideas when implemented pragmatically. The rubber hits the road for lolberts on this when they admit the constitution has been made into a mockery for a long time now. Government by consent is a bare minimum item for individual rights... but lolberts are too gay to realize that if they admit they dont have a legitimate consented to government that they have entered into fairly uncomfortable radical territory about possible solutions to that problem. They are often deluded and work around the margins.. arguing about small comfortable symptoms, drug legalization etc. and they almost never get into the more meaty issues their ideology would dictate they concern themselves with.
>>525922244I'll only grant an apology for denying their self-ownership if they wire me 5 moneros.>>525922187>Lolbertarianism doesnt necessarily have to be the dorm room version of it that midwits have interpreted.It IS the dorm room version though. You have to distinguish conservative liberals, and libertarians. The former genuinely believes in objective self-ownership moral rights, while the latter believes in what you said. People often conflate them because most libertarians have more or less tried to snuggle in this conception of small government, when in reality they are fundamentally different from classical/conservative liberals.
>>525922700Bad argument against libertarianism.The truth is libertarian theories of the free market are wrong and the market can’t do what they think it can. They attribute all its problems to state intervention
>>525922024>a white person>might get pull and press.Kek. No self awareness? Why would the jewish media boost us? You understand Nick Fuentes is controlled opp, don't you?
>>525920193Libertarians showed they are useless faggots.
>>525922836>state interventionwe don't even know what a market without state intervention looks likeit is a blank slate
>>525922941Only because there was too few of them. Gen Zyklon and Gen Alpha do not trust the left or the right, so they will become Libertarians; truly free individuals that will decide on what is best for them and everyone, but will work to compromise their ideals.
>>525920912>there’s a NIGGER WOMAN in a video game>the entire country must burn nowCry more you fucking fag.
>>525920193When you realize your universalist Laissez-Faire attitude only works if everyone is willing to participate, you realize its non-functional. Your enemies will not grant you the same leniency or freedom you would grant them, therefore your philosophy of letting everyone do what they want is a non-starter.
>>525922753Lol at these intro to Political Theory 2001 terminologies. Look wheb you get beyond these silly phrases it becomes obvious that the form of constitutional republicanism the US has is heavily influenced by pragmatic implementation of various lolbert ideologies. This is how most political systems work. They are composed of various underlying ideals and practical realities. The autistic mind struggles with this and tries to classify them as pure ideologies which don't exist.
>>525922818>Alot of lolbert notions are good ideas>>525922836>Bad argument against libertarianism.I was being concise in my post. Yes they are often to idealistic and avoid the realities of governing. You both make excellent points though.
In the early to mid 2010s, /pol/ was substantially libertarian and it was peak /pol/ content.Then MIGA happened in 2016 and it was downhill from there for this board, quality wise. This is literally undeniable.
>>525922931Then find a kike to run the party, it worked for the Green party. Or get REAL grassroots support at a communal level. As I said, it's the era of tiktok videos and short form media. You can change the minds of thousands of people with a very small amount of work. Yeah it's a drop in the ocean but it adds up if it's something you actually care about.Or, adopt a more right-wing libertarian worldview because you guys hemorrhage support to conservatives (and communists, somehow.)
>>525922822Lol look when I broke the curve on Political Theory 3000 courses at a major university, even in my 20s I understood that these various theories people like to have coffee table conversation about, aren't real systems. They are strictly theoretical. IRL all systems are the result of various things, ideological notions, pragmatic necessities, happenstance, historical circumstances etc etc.
>>525923267MIGAtards ruined pol
>>525920193When I found out libertarians wanted open borders, I instantly began to hate them
Also, current day /pol/ has libertarians now only because 1.) Trump said so so MIGAcucks hate them now and we should all be pro tarriff, pro intervention , anti immigrant and 2.) libertarianism substantially is pro pgbt and tranny rights so boomer/pol/fags hate them too
>>525920796>The US should use it's military when it's best for Americans like we did with VenezuelaYou mean best for American oil companies. You and I don’t get any tangible benefit out of it.
>>525923583there is nothing wrong with open borders if immigrants do not have the benefit of a welfare system. this is a fact that we have seen throughout history as almost gospel truth
>>525923495Yeah, surely it was Trumpism. Not the bot/shill swarms or glowniggers or lolbertarianism being unmarketable. Have you seen /k/ in the past 6 years? Retard.
>>525923583It's not all libertarians. Libertarians hold their own beliefs and tend to not agree with other libertarian's views. They aren't held down to a political stereotype, even though the left and right try.
>>525923792It was Trumpism, which he paid for bots/shills/glowniggers to invade poldopey dumdum
>>525920193I’m sympathetic to it but I view it more of something that’s too late. 2008 was probably the last chance to stop everything from going to shit
>>525923660Incorrect. And you can completely ignore the benefits of their resources. Not having a country that hostile towards us and letting our adversaries set up camp in our backyard is reason enough.
>>525923792It is "Trumpism", faggot. Where do you think all these JIDF shills coming fromAlso, only MIGAfags call their movement "Trumpism"
>>525923604Anyone interested in the history of politics would find Trump the most fascinating character of modern US politics. I mean the occurrence of a genuine high level demogogue is so rare in modern political systems. Particularly the modern US. Situations like this are usually of genuine significance in political systems. People get so caught up in the personality and day to day politics of a figure like Trump they miss the genuinely significant big picture effects of a demogogue like Trump dominating politics the way he has.
>>525923930I'm not sure how you can prove that. But if that's what you think ok. I really don't mind the maga crowd because I remember the shit we went through before that.But really what I see is bad actors and a narrative pushed by different governments, and that I can prove. This is a retarded battleground of ideas at the end of the day.
>>525923753The concept of legitimate ratified government by consent is a fundamental level issue for anyone who placed an emphasis on individual rights or limited government. Neither of those can exist without that fundamental thing. So even the purest most silly lolbert would have to acquiesce ir admit to the legitimacy of a government if it was legitimate and duly ratified. He could of course petition that government to change some thing or another within the duly ratified procedures for doing so.
>>525924249Your party is directly funded by kikes you memeflag retard. Besides, I wasn't just talking about this board.
>>525924508Can you prove that it's not? You agreed that bots and glowniggers are shilling him, so who do you think had them do it?It is simple if you actually think about it...
>>525922966It comes down to money is a substitute for actual human trust relationships except the feature it adds is precision and the only time precision is absolutely necessary is in the bloodgeld - when money is payed to satisfy violence or justice.Money is when Kat get agricultural polities generalize the bloodgeld as a formal tax on labor particularly the critical labor input of food. It’s protection money that stabilizes large systems of labor and allows surpluses to be traded to people outside serfdomFor every free man using a free market, there are serfs supporting its foundation.I’ve proposed two solutions:>equity capitalism Communities control major supply chain upstream inputs and investments are ventures where the capital owner bears the risk. Since the community itself is the capital owner, prerogatives align and debt pressure isn’t necessary.>Man-hour labor moneyMake the serfs beneficiaries of the tax on them. Pay out man-hour coupons to all workers on the basis of mandated full or part time work. Make this supply of notes the primary lender to the economy and make institutional investors bear risk (collateral is paid to the public). Workers can be paid more but must be paid the minimum man-hour bills.The effect of such a system is basically that if the economic structure and your business model can’t provide a living wage for 8 hours of work it will fail. It makes essential labor inputs the economic priority as businesses scramble to obtain primary money supply. So it would be more lucrative to provide housing to the masses and compete for quality, than supplying overpriced mansions to the concentrated wealthy.Not equity driven socialism, just the premise that “yes we’re all economic slaves but let’s be slaves to each other and make sure our labor at least funds quality of life to all within this slave system”
>>525924657And your party isn't, MIGAtard?
>>525923207Government is just a theatre mechanism for the petty elites to fall in line
>>525920193The problem for libertarians is that the US government engages in every kind of socialist policy known to man when it comes to benefitting big business and institutional actors. Bail outs for the banks, guaranteed debt slaves for the colleges with no risk of default, guaranteed buyers for big Parma slop with no risk of liability, etc. In that context, there’s little appeal to going after the little guy by opposing capping credit card debt or food stamps. It’s cowardly, if they had the same passion for applying their principles to the rich and powerful that they have for fighting the little guy over pennies they’d be a lot more popular. That said, I completely agree with them that about going into Iran, Venezuela or anywhere. It’s retarded.
>>525920193That photo is so sad and iconic.
>>525924432It’s because the empire is in endgame. It can’t reform its systems or policies but these are killing it. Trump enables last minute extremities within the system without totally eschewing it.
>>525920193They had their chance, they never grew out of being le principled opposition and missed their chance to act. Now theyre a joke.
>>525920193LIBertarians today are not Ron Paul, they are faggot and dyke Maosists who try and tell people they're Libertarian like Ron Paul or retarded mother fuckers that think nothing applies to them.
I voted for him because he was the best option. Small government is fine but I mostly support it because I hate single mothers and Israel.
>>525920193>libertarianit's when you have it too good and you start hallucinating. lol imagine promoting lolbertarianism to a pack of niggers or a bunch of mexicans. yeah, bro, other states will totally let you live your drug infused lolbertarian life once your state goes away.
>>525920193libertarians have pleasant ideas. but, they build their world around the best humanity has to offer, while remaining very vulnerable to the worst.
>>525924657The entire system has festered for so long you cannot just "fix" it lol. Luckily it is destabilizing itself. The bipartisan Red/Blue thing was a valuable tool and control mechanism for the system when it was somewhat controlled... but it is a very dangerous tool. It can very easily lead to partisan spirals. Societal dysfunction. Cynicism about institutions. Accelerating polarization split along two general factions. Etc etc. You know where that ends up... That's why a demogogue like Trump is so interesting. He personally shifted the US from "controlled two party dog and pony show" into "accelerating partisan death spiral".
As a libertarian I enjoy telling MAGA people that I don't like Trump because he is way too liberal for me. It never fails to either make them confused or make them seethe lol. Back in like 2012 era /pol/ was basically libertarian but after 2016 it seems like everyone became a gay-ass bootlicker. /pol/ unironically became waaay more liberal and now loves the state, tariffs, cops, feds, etc. lol. In order to own the libs they ended up just becoming libs
>>525920193In 2008 25% were libertarian but the cia needed their obama faggot in the white house so they cheated
>>525920830Yep.Most people actually need a goycattle life. Otherwise they destroy themselves or others.
>>525922187>We need to emphasize these basic ideasOk, agreeable. >Oops sorry, some of those communities are filled with poopjeets using corporations>Oops, the others are full of Somalis and you investigating them for tax fraud violates their individual rights to run daycares how they see fit. >Oops, others are full of niggers>Oops, others are full of spics using their companies to import and give jobs to illegals>Oops, jews are using the free market and corporations as well as the government to protect them all and continue demographically replacing you at your expenseLibertarians became a meme when they started doing the whole "Libertarian guys with Asian wives" thing and saying "Im not racist, I think interracial transgendee polycules should protect their weed farms with fully automatic rifles!"
>>525920193Lolbertarians have room temperature IQ. Lower than Somalis
>>525920193Libertarianism is as stupid as leftist utopianism. All you're doing is signing up for speed running corporate feudalism and you can do nothing to stop it because you're hyper individualist.
>>525925006>/pol/ unironically became waaay more liberal and now loves the state, tariffs, cops, feds, etc.if my side got to run the state then I would want all of that. I am talking in general. I'm not referring to donnie and his circus.stupidtarianism grants rights to your enemies. which is potato retarded.
>>525920193It's 2026 bro
>>525925006no one has discussed politics with you in a serious manner in a decade. is your cat MAGA or something?
>>525925006>As a libertarian I enjoy telling MAGA people that I don't like Trump because he is way too liberal for me. It never fails to either make them confused or make them seethe lol. Back in like 2012 era /pol/ was basically libertarian but after 2016 it seems like everyone became a gay-ass bootlicker. /pol/ unironically became waaay more liberal and now loves the state, tariffs, cops, feds, etc. lol. In order to own the libs they ended up just becoming libs
>>525920193NAP?
>>525925006Trump was only allowed to be out of jail and win a second term by playing the standard neoconservative jew-loving retard.Nowhere in the world we are allowed to have anything besides neoconservatism, social-democracy or islamic/sharia state.
>>525920830Bingo. Ron Paul meant/means well, wanted the best for us, it's a lovely dream. Meanwhile the real world demands collective action and team work before the hordes of niggers, jeets and jews take it all.
>>525924776Government has one life blood or currency and that is "control of a population." They can use any number of systems to control people.. lolberts are weak to consumerism, and degenerating subversions. Centralized states obviously have the tools to directly exert control on people.Anyways, a political systems like this doesn't lose control because someone started a new party and usurped them lol. They lose control when various providential factors stack up and lead to chaos, breakdown, dysfunction, etc. Cows don't get together and plan stampedes.
>>525923495>our jews = good!>their jews = bad!kek.
>>525920193you're not alone, brother
>>525924902What a strange comment. Take someone like Clodius for example (probably the closest Trump parallel in a major republic of history). He came at the end of the republic not the end of an empire. Demogogues emerge in times of dysfunction and polarization and feed off of failures of the existing state. But their controversy, charisma, and polarizing nature also exacerbates the failure of a state. They are both symptoms and causes like a feedback loop. They are both a major harbinger of a spiral setting in as well as a major factor in the spiral.
>>525924704That's not what I said. There doesn't need to be a /ptg/ because it doesn't accomplish anything the same way /r/conservative accomplished nothing in a reddit echochamber. What I mean is /ugh/ and /chug/ (same topic, against the rules). Those are generals engineered to influence public opinion on that war by people with agendas and are allowed to co-exist.. for some reason. You presume Trumpism/MAGA is being force-fed but I don't see how that's the case because every time something is forced, its pretty fucking obvious. As I said, it's governments pushing opinions on larger topics.If you want to see what im talking about in action, make a slightly pro-russian thread on /k/ and report the results.>>525924752Not as much as yours. You should research jstreet.
>>525920193We can have libertarianism after all of the jews are dead. Sorry but there's just no other way.
>>525925404>libertarians follow a jew
I think most people don't respect Libertarians because the majority have no conviction behind their stance. Everything that Libertarians say they stand for sounds good on paper but the majority contradict themselves and throw away those values at the drop of a hat to vote for party politics.
>>525920193loltards are hated by everyone because they are the most insufferable people
>>525920193They have been pushing for 40 years now that voting third party is a waste. Don't look behind the curtain. There must only be TWO choices and that's REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS NO BODY ELSE GETS TO HAVE A FUCKIGN SAY
A combination of Gary Johnson being a retard and the party's 2016 convention being an absolute trainwreck pretty much killed the partyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhR41lsEJYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeiK0fdPv8Y
>>525925551>Those are generals engineered to influence public opinion on that war by people with agendas and are allowed to co-exist.. for some reasonHave you ever been in those threads? It is mainly retards talking about garbage and not really swaying people most of the time.MIGAtards, like you, love shilling Zion Don. So you are either a retard that loves jew jew cum or being paid to do it. So, which is it?>Not as much as yours. You should research jstreet.no you, faggot
>>525920373SPBP
>>525925271Lolberts have no conceptual strategic thinking and are inherently poisonous to any cohesive nation. Hell, they're almost identical to neoliberals at this point the way you hear Rand and Massie talk, all they have to do is say "trans rights are human rights" and they'd be no different than a modern Democrat.>"If Vietnam/China/India/Mexico are able to build our products but cheaper why shouldn't we export all of our strategic industries like factories/ shipmaking/coding/chip manufacturing/arms/food overseas? After all, everything is just numbers on a paper and there is no such thing as primordial truth. If the global south wants to move here and displace all of our construction workers at a lower price why wouldn't we want that? Borders are just lines on a map that is limiting my ability to acquire cheap labor."
>>525925606Eventually all people realize that these political theories are for midwits and college kids. Manifestos. Academic distinctions.. it's all just coffee table conversation. At the end of the day all that matters is low brow instinct, tribalism, and intuition. Consider the following:>I don't like government when it hurts me and benefits my enemies. >I like government when it benefits me and hurts my enemies.>I am suspicious of everyone and every institution. These are the types of intuitive things that people should function based on. In the right conditions they could lead to supporting any number of these silly technical political theories in various measures.
I wouldn't take the manufacturing of consensus by shills/bots here or on X to represent that regime change and war are popular among the US populace.It's an 80-20 issue right now and republicans are about to find out in 26 that not excising the fucking neocons from the party is going to cost them everything and probably their freedom too.They deserve it, no one elected an emperor focused solely on pax americana, but rather a president they wanted to fix domestic issues for Americans. Trump's administration may not be as bad a Biden's, but it's an utter failure compred to what it could have been.
>>525925783You can't answer the single question for why they're allowed to co-exist and come up with the reasonable conclusion. Yes I've been in there, the original was made by some UKanon, then it was co-opted by (american) glowniggers and split again by (russian) glowniggers. I could ask you the same thing about /ptg/, have you ever been in there? It seems to me that your only stance is anti-trumpism and that's it.The jstreet reply wasn't to you either retard-kun. Calling me names isn't an argument.
>>525920193"government" schools have rotted most people's brains turning them into violent statists.
>>525926147Step back and look at the situation. You are currently in the middle of a partisan spiral both politically and socially. I don't think it is really debatable even. Tell me, where do you think partisan spirals invariably end?
>>525926296>make a point about the OP>anon comes in with a non-sequiturI don't care and I'm going to "debate" some half-baked idea with a retard.
>>525921281What is needed for libertarianism to succeed is higher quality people with a good sense of morality. (Just don't harm anyone. Libertarianism really is that simple.) Unfortunately, most people are an interesting mix of hopelessly retarded and evil.
>>525925713Third parties are the natural next control valve for the system. >Give them two "choices" and when they get frustrated give them a third. Lol I swear the political system isnt like all powerful but midwits are such marks for them. If a two party situation gets out of hand it could lead to a major loss of control and chaos. If they roll out a third or fourth party they could potentially use it to try and diffuse a partisan spiral. It is actually the "textbook" control method for an out of control bipartisan situation.
>>525926174You dumb nigger, you didn't even ask a question in you last post. Do you even know what a "question" is or are you a dumb nigger?>confirmed MIGAtardknew it>been in PIGI've been in there to troll to PIGgys in there because of how much they love jews and Zion Don. I am a libertarian and was so-so with Trump until he got on his knees for Israel on his second term. It seems that your only stance is pro-trumpism and pro jews and that's it.Do you want your daddy drumpf to snowball jew jew cum into your mouth?
>>525926495Lol we are locked in a bipartisan spiral an exponentially accelerating one now for the last ten years or so. Seriously do you think it will just stop? Or what help me understand where you think it goes?
>>525920193Theyre simply retarded
>>525922187Anytime you try and give lolberts a chance to make sense they screech like commies
>>525923149imagine losing the grip on society because you can't not shove niggers everywhere
>>525920193Libertarians are just liberals with guns, get your AIDS test faggot
>the left hate youI don't hate libertarians. I was once one, but I've come to understand how significant differences in the distribution of power allow individuals to negatively affect the liberty of others. And I have also observed that a lot of people don't behave rationally. Or they are behaving rationally but their objective function trends towards evil.I know some libertarians still hold true to good moral principles, and I respect them for that. I see them at worst as misguided about how to achieve those moral principles. Although I also see people who have alternative values while claiming to be libertarian, and I despise those.>>525921216Fascists convinced communists that you need a big state before you can have communism. The result was the USSR and China. One collapsed, the other still isn't a great place to be and has distinct classes.You can't just do fascism temporarily to fix whatever problems you patching l perceive in society. You need to go full anarchism and then do whatever possible to prevent a state from rising from the ashes.
>>525927346You never learn, do you?Of course you don't you brain damaged leftoid
>>525925006Libertarianism is a naive ideology that most people grow out of. State power has legitimate uses, the constitution recognizes that. Libertarians are de facto anarchists who sit there feeling superior to others for maintaining ideological purity when notice the need for law enforcement and regulations to protect people from powerful, sophisticated actors. Protectionism is a perfect example. The libertarian says it’s fine for other nations to destroy American industry through the use of tariffs and other economic barriers because a bunch of massage therapists, gym classes, and HR reps will replace it and T shirts will be 10c cheaper. What they miss is in times of war or crisis, an enemy like China is not going to sell you guns to use against them, or they might prioritize their own country for medical supplies. Free market principles are not good at dealing with actors who do not abide by them and you can see that everywhere. Lolberts adhere to them with a religious faith that frankly usually coincides with having inherited money. I’ve never seen a poor person engage with that nonsense.
>>525927346All political systems' life blood is control. They can use any number of tactics to maintain control including any number if pie sky ideologies. Other groups can likewise use any number of methods to usurp some system or another.Also systems can fail due to various unplanned factors stacking up or to mistakes etc. Perfect storms cause then to fail all the time. Ultimately that is every systems' fate. When that happens you essentially enter a power vacuum for a new system to crop up.
>>525927598Libertarians are in the middle of the left and right, retard. They believe in a smaller government and is heavily regulated to be strictlylimited by a constitution or similar framework.
>>525920373This. We weren't defeated so much as we evolved
>>525920193Current libertarians are MAGA. They showed that during the Floyd protests when the government sent thugs to suppress and abduct protesters.
>>525920193>10 years ago, there were at least a small contingent of libertarians in America.Everyone figured out that libertarianism could only work in a high IQ white society and thus voting libertarian is substantively no different than voting Democrat.
>>525927938They worked with MAGA when MAGA used to be based and not a bunch of MIGA zogbots
>>525920193We hate you because you want absolute freedom with no responsibility.
>>525920193You're antiwhite
>>525920373paul was against abortion so he does have values unlike these crypto anarchists
It's all part of the big tard war they've been cooking up. They want everyone to polarize as much as possible before both sides get fucked. If not for the constant escalation, psyops, shilling, false flags, etc, the majority of people would be centrists. However, when those in power starts drawing lines in the sand, those same people get drawn to either side. First with reason, then with commonality, then out of desperation.It's the same reason we don't see mulattos coming together to form a legitimate political body despite having not insignificant numbers: it's uncommonly difficult to maintain what you know to be true, rational, or fair when standing on your own and surrounded on all sides by the "choosing" masses. >t. mulatto
>>525920344Based rare friend of truth and justice
>>525927770If anarchism is defined as far right, then libertarianism is the closest ideology to it on any axis. It’s an extreme position, not as extreme or impractical as anarchism, but extreme. Most Americans wouldn’t support repealing the civil rights act or the repealing the FDA, or allowing unregulated migration into the country or complete legalization of all drugs, but those are all true libertarian positions if you actually understand the ideology.
>>525920373Uwu :3
>>525929896Libertarianism extreme? No it is not. There are extremes to libertarianism, like any political party, but it is not extreme by itself.>Most Americans wouldn’t support repealing the civil rights act or the repealing the FDA, or allowing unregulated migration into the country or complete legalization of all drugsMaybe in the current time, that would be considered extreme but those aren't extreme 50 years ago (aka the good ol' days). It is all about perspective.
>>525920193Fuck off degenerate.
>>525927770He's right though. The only way to be an ideologically coherent libertarian is to be an anarchist. Anything else would still be statism of one form or another.
>>525930840Since libertarians are in the middle of both parties, they are willing to compromised. However, if they see something that is taking away their liberty, freedom and privacy, they will fight to make it right.There is a saying >a anarchist is just a pissed off libertarian
>>525920193Educate chuds on libertarian economic value, its the best part about it. What fails is the libertarian blind spot of race. We still have a lot of uneducated guys who will advocate for commie economic policy unwittingly like in the case of shortages of essentials- instead of bravely saying price gouging or rationing is better, they will foolishly say 'price cap, no price gouging' and many people suffer from the shortage. High prices from 'gouging' greatly incentivizes people to go ship the essential goods to where its needed like a disaster zone.You've probably seen a bunch of people shitting on keynesian policy but a lot of dudes still couldnt explain why its bad.
>>525920193What has Ron Paul done? The jews still own and run America.
how is anyone still a libertarian? that shit ideology is for teenagers and retarded boomers exclusively. every facet of libertarianism is jewish. it basically doesn't exist outside of imageboards/discord/telegram, it's effectively a dead movement. reminds me of christianity and e-crusadersyou worship jews.
>>525932064Because jews subverted too many Americans to only follow the 2 party systemHe tried his best and is God's lonely warrior that tried his best to fight for us
>>525932118And your party isn't a retarded political ideology that isn't ran by jews? Nice try
>>525920193>1pbtidIt almost feels like some organization spams shit questions to make pointless threads for underhanded reasons.Typically when you start a thread to begin a discussion you engage in said discussion that you started.
>>525932277my party? what party?
Ron Paul is a legend
>>525932448Exactly. What party are you? Or are you too scared?
>>525920193>lonely being a libertarianThat's kind of the fucking point, you want to be left alone outside of your cultivated circle.
>>525931141>willing to compromisedThat's called "no longer being a libertarian." Any compromise is a compromise with statism and, therefore, anti-libertarian. You may as well be a shitlib or a MAGA chud at that point, depending on the flavor of your "compromise"
>>525926668This is why nobody has arguments in good faith here. You are a retard and cannot be conversed with.
