When Jesus rose on high to become one with his father he received a new name, a name which brings healing, a name which glorifies the Lord. And here, now, let that name be reveled! Give glory to God, o Israel, Our god is one.And now we remark the name on which account you may call- and the spirit of the Lord may attend- the name of El-Raphael!
>>525962595Jehovah's Witness here. AMA
>>525962595Jesus was always one with the Father. “I and the Father are one”.
As someone who is Gnostic, I know many of you will call me a heretic. But I still recognize the divinity of Christ.And the way I'm seeing people talk on this board lately, I get the sense that many here are hylics -- people made entirely of material (i.e. lacking a soul) who reject God's light by their nature. This is not the same as an atheist. Atheists are simply blind to the holy spirit, but may be convinced. I'm referring instead to people who reject the idea of goodness and morality. The very same people who would have put Christ to the cross if he were alive today instead.
>>525962595>o Israelright... can this "healing power" be demonstrated?
More Jehovist cult nonsense. Probably Zionists, again.
Why did god have to kill his own son to redeem humanity? There wasnt any objective factors to do that, after all it's god himself that punishes sinners xD
>>525964651Or... maybe JEWS killed Jesus and then claimed it was God's fault / plan, and this religion is bullshit
yeah i don't know, jews are just normal people, i'm far for blaming them in for every shitty happeningu in this world. It's elites, and jews social system just favored them joining the elites, but lithuanians, irish and philipinos are the same
>>525964651That's because you don't understand God’s nature. God cannot break his own rules. That's why his name is Jehovah. It means "He Causes to Become." Anything that he says will happen WILL HAPPEN and nothing can or will stop it. That also means he is the fulfiller of all promises made and nothing will stop those promises from coming true.Why didn't God just destroy Adam, Eve, and Satan and just start all over? Because he told Adam and Eve before they sinned:>(Genesis 1:28)“Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”Even though Adam and Eve sinned his commandment on top HAD TO GO THROUGH. He could not reverse his way out of it. He cannot break his own commandments nor break his own promises nor reverse his own sayings.>(Isaiah 55:11) so my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it.Because God told Adam and Eve that if they eat the fruit they will positively die they HAD TO DIE. The problem is the rest of us INHERITED that original sin from Adam. The only way for God to get around his own word is by covering that original sin with payment. The problem with that is that God's justice is strict.>(Exodus 21:23-25) But if a fatal accident should occur, then you must give soul for soul, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25branding for branding, wound for wound, blow for blow.Since the crime was committed by a PERFECT man then another perfect man had to die to cover that sin.>(1 Timothy 2:5, 6) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6WHO GAVE HIMSELF A CORRESPONDING RANSOM FOR ALL is what is to be witnessed to at its own
>>525962595That's fine and dandy, but niggers don't go to heaven. They go straight to Hell since they are the unholy offspring of Cain and a demonette
Judeocentric delusions, propped up by thousands of years of falsehood
>>525964868Entry point into relative cultural worldview discontinuous with the soul perception of eternity in order to immerse said soul into humanity for the purpose of development within limitation.
>Capricorn
>>525964651Jesus' sacrifice was there to fulfill a prophecy. Here it is written that your savior will meet conditions x, y, and z. Here I am doing all of those.Also, God is infinitely forgiving, loving, and benevolent. The angry son of a bitch you see throughout most of the Old Testament is a poser named Yaldabaoth.
>>525964990>discontinuous and separative
>>525964859Your post makes some sense (if we assume bible says the truth), thanks for that. Still there are some inconsistencies on that post, Adam was not a perfect man, it's not stated anywhere in the bible. Also jesus wasnt a perfect man, he was a god too so much bigger fish. Unless we claim that jesus was not a god ( not sure if bible says it directly, or is it just interpretation)But then it means he is not almighty, loving and all knowing.Almighty wouldnt be constricted by ANYTHING, his nature wouldnt allow him being unable to change his mind. Also tho whom the payment should be paid if it's the god who is the ultimate?All knowing and loving god would NEVER sentence imperfect beings to eternity od hell. Just think about this. Eternity of torment for very often a short life full of mistakes. I always throught it's wrong to give the jewish god all the Platons attributes.
>>525965181I mean, I know what I am, and where I came from. I don't extrapolate that to everyone else and assume we all came from the same place or took the same pathway through existence to get to this point. I'm waiting for their self reports to tell me who they really are. As long as they cling to stories and myths made within the past several thousand years I know that they haven't reached that point yet, when they might even know themselves.
>>525964742Christ is the crucified serpent, he fixes adams nature
there are more than three dimensions
>>525965023Thank you, but see >>525965404Also yaldabaoth sounds like a bullshit made up by evangelicals to somehow justify any inconsistency coming up reading the bible. Also would jahwe allow yaldabaoth to be? And how do we know which books are describing gods and which yaldabaoths deeds?
>>525965404Jesus was perfect. He was humanity and divinity mixed. The thing was the divinity in him made him love incarnate instead of a warrior conqueror king which is what everyone wanted (human nature). Instead what we got was someone with no ego and desire for personal glory and had REAL HUMAN EMOTIONS, come down tell us that we all need to love each other and put aside greed, lust, etc. He willingly knew that he was going to die a horrible gruesome death and he did it anyway because no other human has love for ALL of humanity like that. Christ is king
>>525965484>Osiris Wenennefer
>>525962595imagine worshipping a Jew
>>525962595Why did he have sex with other men then
>>525965852You're on the jewish owned cotton filed even if you're christian and antisemitic.
>>525963290Why are you JW when your apocalyptic prediction failed six times
>>525965717why do they wear those things on top of their heads?
>>525965531>Made up by EvangelicalsIt's Gnostic. Old 1st century Christianity stuff that's been considered as heresy by most mainstream Christians. That name of Yaldabaoth appears in a number of surviving texts we've dug up though. Also, it's probably best NOT to view God in the same way we would view a man. "Why doesn't he just do X or Y" are questions we would ask of another person. God is incomprehensible, omnipresent, and a source of all benevolence.
>>525965707>Instead what we got was someone with no ego and desire for personal glory and had REAL HUMAN EMOTIONSSo another incarnation of Buddha?>The thing was the divinity in him made him love incarnate instead of a warrior conqueror king which is what everyone wanted (human nature). Bad take, conqueror king was prophetised as anon above said >>525965023 it was not what people wanted. It was said in the bible DIRECTLY it will be great warrior King, period.Your takes are not biblical at all
>>525966159crowns are symbols of authority
>>525966161Come on, lets not give biblical god Platonic attributes, he proved many times he's not benevolent at all. There are many, MANY ways to test a human, there's no need to give extremely painful cancer to a 3 years old
>>525962595lord of whom?
>>525965852Imagine glowing in the dark.
>>52596444180% of the world are hylics. "blessed are those with eyes to see"
>>525966451Yo, bro, i know you are at least 70% polish or russian or ukrainian. Are you a believer irl?
>>525966210The difference is that Jesus had a direct link to God (his father, remember God is three things father,son, and holy spirit) and perfectly aligned his life to fulfill God's will. He fulfilled over 300 prophecies without spilling any blood. Focusing on the prophecies he didn't fulfill instead of the overwhelming number of prophecies that WERE fulfilled is why the pharisees killed him. IE you're playing Jewish semantics. Congrats
>>525966434>Biblical GodI'm interested in the actual God. The one Christ refers to as the Father. I'm not interested in the poser who is so scared of losing face he has to demand that he have no other gods before him -- begging the question of "what other gods?"
>>525966451You
>>525963290i remember when you got outed as heretical to jewhovahs witness beliefs>>525962595lord of the npcs. guy was celebrating fake holidays for shit that never even happened. jews are the source of npcs. do you want to graft yourself to that tree?
Moshiach is King!
>>525966928which one is the jew?
>>525967015>which one is the jew?this one.
>>525966829An interesting thought experiment that you can do to prove that Canaanite "gods" are real. The OT follows a certain theme.>Israel struggles>God bails them out>Israel prospers>Israel gets complacent in following God and worships other gods>Israel strugglesThis cycle continues for THOUSANDS of years. Why would they keep going back to Canaanite gods over and over again? Because there is tangible benefits in doing so. The ones that sacrificed their kids probably received worldly rewards and gave into human greed and desire for power. We are still dealing with these Canaanite gods to this day. Our elites worship them.
>>525967284Those "gods" are brown and need to be sent to death camps, along with all of their pet dark occultists and ZOGbots.
>>525964651Because Adam's sin against God created an infinite offense requiring infinite satisfaction. Man must repay this debt, but man cannot repay this because man is finite and his offense infinite. This created an inescapable catch-22 where man was doomed to eternal damnation. The solution? Incarnate as the God-Man. Both fully God and fully Man. The blood sacrifice on the cross was of infinite satisfaction because it was Divine blood offered up on the altar. But it was also Man's sacrifice because Christ was fully man. Through this man was redeemed. What God did for us in this act shows His infinite mercy, justice and boundless love.>And almost all things, according to the law, are cleansed with blood: and without shedding of blood there is no remission.Hebrews 9:22>Therefore, as by the offence of one, unto all men to condemnation; so also by the justice of one, unto all men to justification of life. For as by the disobedience of one man, many were made sinners; so also by the obedience of one, many shall be made just.Romans 5:18-19
>>525965404>Still there are some inconsistencies on that post, Adam was not a perfect man, Yes he was because God created him. God doesn't created anything with imperfection. >it's not stated anywhere in the bible.The word sin means "miss". In other words to miss the mark of God's standards. Anything that misses living up to his standards cannot exist. That's why the payment for sin is death. Nothing that doesn't live up to his standards can exist. >Also jesus wasnt a perfect man, he was a god too so much bigger fish. Unless we claim that jesus was not a god ( not sure if bible says it directly, or is it just interpretation)Jesus is not God. That's Trinitarian heresy. Jesus was only a man who had to CORRESPOND to Adam perfectly. That's why Jesus is also called the Last Adam. >(Romans 5:14) Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come.>(1 Corinthians 15:45) It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Jesus corresponds to Adam perfectly. That's why Jesus can't be God nor deity because that would make him superior to Adam. When Jesus was on Earth he was a perfect man: nothing more, nothing less.>But then it means he is not almighty, loving and all knowing.Correct >Almighty wouldnt be constricted by ANYTHING, his nature wouldnt allow him being unable to change his mind.It's because he has a reputation to keep. He wants everyone to know that anything he says doesn't come back without results. That's why his name is Jehovah. >All knowing and loving god would NEVER sentence imperfect beings to eternity od hell. Just think about this. Eternity of torment for very often a short life full of mistakes.Correct
>>525965404 Also tho whom the payment should be paid if it's the god who is the ultimate?All Sacrifices are paid to God. God is the one holding mankind ransom in exchange for the debt left behind by Adam. A normal human cannot die in Adam's place because that imperfect human is inferior in value to a perfect Adam.>(Psalm 49:7) Not one of them can by any means redeem even a brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him;That's why no previous human could sacrifice themselves in place of Adam. They did not equal Adam. So whoever had to die to cover Adam's sin HAD TO EQUAL ADAM PERFECTLY.>(1 Timothy 2:5, 6) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6WHO GAVE HIMSELF A CORRESPONDING RANSOM FOR ALL—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its ownCorresponding to whom?>(Romans 5:14) Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come.>(1 Corinthians 15:45) It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.Jesus corresponds to Adam perfectly. That's why Jesus can't be God nor deity because that would make him superior to Adam. When Jesus was on Earth he was a perfect man: nothing more, nothing less.
>ITT jewish cattle>imagining worshiping a jewa child needs help from their parents, so do you. do not lower yourself and approach God as a slave but as a child needing help and guidance. Jesus loves you and all you have to do is accept that love and welcome him in your life.
>>525962595>when my kike fairy tale character did that, it made me emotional!kek, what a faggot, go live as a slave for kikes on the desert, golem.
>>525966062https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/521104084/#q521108212https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/521104084/#q521108273https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/521104084/#q521108344
>>525966451 there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Why wasn't he able to fulfil a single Messianic prophecy in the Jew book though?
>>525970223He did
>>525971117You fail at line one>Born of a virginIsaiah 7, is not a Messianic prophecy, it's a prophecy to king Ahaz about his war with Israel and Aram. Further, the prophecy is already fulfilled when the Assyrians destroy them, hundreds of years before Jesus. There is no mention of a virgin in the original Hebrew (or the Septuagint for that matter) and the child about to be born simply serves as a time indicator of when the prophecy is to be fulfilled, i.e before that child is old enough to know right from wrong. It is not a messiah. Btw all "prophecies" about Jesus reads like this, massive out of context copes.
