>The theory is called "Conformal Cyclic Cosmology" (CCC). Standard physics says the universe began once. Penrose suggests our universe is just one of many "Aeons"—a never-ending chain of universes born from the ashes of the one before it. The Big Bang wasn't the beginning; it was a transition.What was the previous Universe like?
>>525982158Pink
>>525982158This isn't a new theory and has been discussed for decades
>>525982158>SAAAAAARRRR, THE UNIVERSE IS PLEASED TO BE REINCARNATED
>>525982158same shit as things coalesce into their slots
>>525982158>the universe is trans and we live in a prolapsed space anusthat explains a lot actually.
>>525982158> What was the previous Universe like?I was there. It was exactly like this one, except OP was never a fag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalpa_(time)Ancient India more or less had it. The last one was very similar to this one. It's a recursive feedback loop that improves upon itself.
>>525982510Indeed. You know what's more interesting to me? The idea that big bangs can happen anywhere at any time. Like, maybe there are other universes really, really, reeeeaaaally far away from ours. In the same spacetime fabric, physically accessible (but not logistically feasible). Think of the distance between stars but a decillion times further away in magnitude. I'm a Christian though so I don't hold any strong beliefs about the scientific understanding of our reality. As far as I'm concerned, the elites don't want normies poking around in space, where heavenly entities like angels and demons live. People think demons come from hell but that is not the case. Lots of stuff lives in "heaven" (space). In a godless universe, big bangs should be happening abruptly for no reason at all, everywhere, all the time.
>>525982158There was nothing. This is the first time the universe has had properties that allowed things to happen.
>>525982990>>525983056Show the math I will wait
>>525982158I knew it. The suffering is infinite and it repeats an infinite numbers of times. Some aeons might be slightly different or entirely different but with an infinite numbers of variables we are still bound to repeat our lives over and over, it doesnt matter how many trillions of years apart
I hope the next big Bang oblivion all crackers like the past ones hahahhahhahhahah
>>525982158So just taking the big crunch theory and changing it's name?
>>525982990How come Bangladesh was left behind? Never got to improve in a 4000 year period.Show me where jeets were improooovin without aid from the Anglo-saxon.
>>525983336i dont wanna be buried in a pet sematary
>>525982971Fake and gay, OP is always a fag and will always be a fag.
Fuck off with your theories. Nobody knows and it's a waste of time to "suggest".
>>525983336What if it gets a little worse upon each "reset"? In the next one ai slop will happen early before the golden age of video games, erasing any chances to play the classics. And you'll be born in brazil.
>>525983538Life is so short and brief. Very true.
>>525983677That would suck Absolute dickhole.
>>525982158>What was the previous Universe like?What was your life like before you were born?
>>525983780Not as bad as the one after that where you'll become famous thanks to a cartel execution video.
>>525982158I'm putting my Penrose up your mom's butt.
>>525982158Ok, then what started the cycle? You aren't explaining anything, just kicking the can down the road. There still has to be a beginning.
>>525983943wtf dude
>>525984106You're not prepared for the one after after after that where a woman will speak to you about her problems for more than one minute and you won't be in a position to ask her to stop because you'll be a mute.
ITT: Scientists discover the Biblical flood.
>>525982158>the ride never ends
>>525982510Wasn't the problem with this (and string theory) that there is no way to prove the theory was true?All information about a possible pre-big bang universe is lost when all matter breaks up into elementary particles.
>>525982158>What was the previous Universe like?more interestingly, do you think anything living there escaped it?
>>525983186Let's be honest. We're talking about a level of scale that delves into meta-reality. Equations aren't worth shit at that scope. How do you write an equation proving nothingness must collapse into somethingness, given infinite time? And I don't mean "a lot of time," I mean INFINITE time.
>>525982158The universe never started; it doesn't even exist. There's not even a simulation. Nothing exists.
Braaaah, you know, big explosions and shit, infinite big bangs, brah, and then once, after that big BOOM BOOM, some rock and some lava, lightning stroke! BOOM BOOM. And where lightning stroke, that area, that was the PRIMORDIAL SOUP! Like a noddle soup! But PRIMORDIAL. And then from that soup, dinosaurs and owls and shit, and then an asteroid BOOM BOOM. And some rat like mammas shaped shifted into monkeys and the monkeys into humans and the humans into NAZIS!!I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE. I LOVE MATERIALISM. BOOM BOOM. INFINITE BIGBANGS
>>525982158>it was a transition.YWNBAU (you will never be a universe)
>>525982158I'd stick my dick in it if you catch my drift.
>>525982158Penrose is getting old and senile. His quantum consciousness idea is straight bullshit but won't fucking die because of his prestige.
>>525984380Anything that could do that would likely be self sufficient to the point of having no need or desire to interact with other realities or their denizens. But sure, I don't know about that one exactly, but I bet there's all kinds of weird stuff out there. Here on Earth, you've got people dying in war on one side of the planet, while you've got people tripping on psychedelics and having wild orgies on the other. Existence is vast. Hell, there are probably human beings alive today with the tech to live lives that are completely alien and incomprehensible to us.
>>525982158I think it's kind of a pointless debate.What we really want to know is where everything started, because the human mind prefers a clear start and end. But that also means that every time you come to a point where you can go>Here, it started herepeople will just immediately ask what triggered it, and what came before it. Because our minds cannot imagine things that have been there eternally, nor can it comprehend something coming from nothing, because we experience time linearly and therefore everything needs a clear cause and effect with start and end.All of these theories just try to answer the question, while omitting that the immediate follow up question to it remains unanswered.
>>525984231Lol thats an easy one.I hate women.It is mutual hatred.Guess what?Im here by myself and forever will be, no matter how many lives there are Ahead.Because, i voluntarily seek the Truth. They hate that, and it shatters their jewish gender.
>>525984818Why do you hate women, Moortuguese?
>>525982158They won't admit this but every variation of every moment exists simultaneously
>>525982990>improves upon itselfso how many aeons until it spawns one without jews?
>>525982158Existence is a prison
>>525982158This isn't even new. They called it oscillating something or other in like the 70s. This was eventually proven to be retarded do to the curvature of space being Uhhh either too positive or negative or some shit. They're actually just not even trying anymore.
>>525984990They are disloyal, loud, and stupid half-breeds with smelly pussies.I got no moorish blood. Im a red blooded guy.
>>525985199Farts increase testosterone said the basedentists... No wonder the world is now in the shitter
That penrose faggot tried to quantify consciousness with math. What an absolute fucking retard.
Eight foot tall women made men their slaves
>>525982210Pink is the synaesthetic color of the swastika.
>>525983056>>525983186>>525984410the idea of big bangs happening randomly anywhere isn't really a reasonable idea. A similar but much more well founded idea is that black holes create new universes within themselves, and that every universe including our own starts from the singularity of a black hole
>>525983336the shit that Shroomjack tells you
>>525984231The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where "feed" and "seed" both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Feeduck and Seeduck".
>>525982158about a year ago i posted this theory on 4chan in a cosmology related thread. what are the chances that i started this meme?
>>525985522No dude it's completely reasonable. Either those black holes came from something that came from nothing, or God did it. You're just throwing in extra steps for no reason.
>>525984352We have no way to prove any of the theories true (right now). All we can do is look up at the sky, see that some ball of light is really far away and it's also moving, scan the ball of light with our magic tricks to determine it's made up of hydrogen, then use our other knowledge of how things work to posit an idea on what we think happened.
>>525985831..all meanwhile jews are fucking kids.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>525982158Scientists are now repackaging Marvel™ lore
>>525985626none, futurama basically did the same thing. they were just more convoluted about it and pretended it would work like time travel and events would repeat themselves
>>525985831Stop looking up at the sky for answers and start looking at who is looking up at the sky you dumb nigger faggot.
>>525982158That sounds like something I've lready figured out by age 8. It is also a common thing in sci fi like that Futurama time travel episode in season 6.
>>525986311Why did you put on a memeflag you dumb indian
>>525982210jewish.
>>525982990>Ancient India more or less had it. The last one was very similar to this one. It's a recursive feedback loop that improves upon itself.>ancient India more or less had it>ancient India>feedback loop that improves itself>improves itself>current India is an improvement from ancient IndiaLol. Lmfao, even. The current state of India disproves this immediately
>>525982158I saw that on Futurama. if you can get far enough away you can safely be outside of it and watch it get reborn again
>>525984436Nobody should tell this retard who proposed the big bang theory.
>>525986473The universe will eternally recur until India improves.
>>525982158>that means something like Eternal recurrence of the Greeks and Nietzsche can happen, so you will relive your live over and over again , same suffering, pain, misery and futility for Eternity, only rich fags and middle class will be better a fate worse than death
>>525986138It's not all wizards and goblins and capeshit. Big Crunch theory and a cyclical universe has been around for hundreds of years. Just like capeshit, this Twatter story is just another re-heat.
>>525986695Guess we're never escapeling samsara.
>>525986485I liked that episode especially the sexy women from the year 50 Million and the year 2525 parody song. The only time I found Futurama drawn women to be attractive. In the Year 2525 is a good sci fi song although a bit dystopian but it reminds me of classical sci fi works.
>>525982158You fucks are always so late to the truth. Yes. The universe is toroidal.
>>525986695>Existence is simply God trying to fix the shithole called india that was accidentally createdI can believe it.
>>525985744the black hole theory has actual math backing it anon, your theory has fuck all backing it besides "we don't know what created the universe therefore anything could happen anywhere at any time", which is technically true, but not much of a basis for informed scientific theories with real world applications. I'm christian btw in case you try and call me an atheist.
>>525982158The universe is like a heartbeat. Expansion leads to contraction leads to expansion. It's like spreading out a ball of silly puddy until it falls apart and balling it back up to do it again. This explains deja vu as psychic residue in that you were quite literally there once just in a different moment in time. The main foundation pattern lays out the same and that's like the source code it's just our choices in life different and when those choices brush closely enough the veil thins a bit and you get the feeling of having been there.
it could be that a sufficiently advanced enough civilization develops a 2-dimentional foil weapon that collapses the 3rd dimension and this somehow creates a new universe since reality is then forced to create another 3-D.
>>525982158God's Breath(es)
>>5259872303rd dimension is the outer world. 4th is the inner. 5th is the combination and over lay of 3rd and 4th. It's a matter of perception.
>>525986565I LOVE THE PRIMORDIAL SOUP!!!!!
>>525984428
>The universe goes on for infinity>given the fact that everything is infinite this means that you infinitely respawned into the past just as you will be in the future>I have no memory of past lives>therefore the infinity of the universe doesnt affect my conscioussness>therefore after we die it wil bd just before we were born, total extermination of the self for infinityGive me my nobel prize.
>>525987339kata and ana are the additional 4th dimensional axies, what are the 5th dimensional ones? meta-kata and meta-ana?
>>525982158they'll figure it out one of these days, but they are getting closer
>>525987633Idk know those words so I can't offer anything. For me it's personal life experience displayed against the background of collective human experience and you connect the dots. Idk if that makes sense to you but I haven't found a better metaphor.
>>525982158This theory has been around almost as long as the Big Bang theory has been around. They used to call it the Big Crunch.
>>525987158Those informed scientific theories are no better than the arrows of Babel returning from heaven covered in God's blood. We're not talking about mechanical engineering here. We're talking about literal metaphysics where our means of measuring reality lose meaning. It's a veil. We put our hands on the veil and feel for solid objects, but we don't really know what we're touching at all. The solid object we're feeling might not be solid at all.
>>525982158At least the God theory gives a reason why we'd experience consciousness.
>>525987230I get what you mean but it's like saying we exist in a higher dimension than videogame characters. Not technically true by what the word "dimension" means. But yes it has taken on a colloquial meaning for "plane (or form) of reality," so fair enough.
>>525982210everything reminds me of her
>>525987983yada yada yadaI'm not talking metaphysics here I'm talking hard fucking physics and maths. If you wanna talk metaphysics that's cool beans but metaphysics has nothing to do with stuff like quantum theory, the grand unified theory, gravity, relativity, etc.
>>525982210Pervert
>>525988123The allegory of Babel is completely lost on you. You're trying to describe the outside of the box, which you will never see, with things you found inside the box.
>>525982158Say what you want about any theory of the cosmos right, but think about it.Why would there be ANYTHING, but also, why would there be NOTHING? If you have nothing, what is this nothingness? Does the nothingness stretch out forever? The "nothingness" would have properties, that of being nothing, but that would be SOMETHING.In a way, it's impossible for there ever to be truly "nothing", because even nothingness is something. Anything existing at all is just as weird as nothing existing at all.
>>525982158>writing increasingly convoluted theories about the beginning of the universe just to avoid saying GodWhat causes such mental disorders?
Why is it none of these big brain niggers ever contemplate the idea that maybe there isn’t a beginning?
>>525982158I know what happens when you reach the end of the universe. It's quiet easy to figure out actually. Many people actually saw it as well.
>>525988123And yes it is literally meta-physics when it's beyond (meta) physics. Your PC tower does not physically exist in any mathematically probable way from the perspective of characters living in a videogame. If the universe's frame rate dropped, you wouldn't know. It's intangible and unfathomable to you. An unknown unknown. Yes, mathematic principles like 1+1=2 will always translate across any logical form of reality, but to say we can derive meaningful answers about meta-reality with this alone is a big stretch.
>>525982210gay lil universe innit
>>525988506The same thing that makes people write never ending theories about god, the refusal to admit they don’t know.
>theorytoilet paper
>>525982158The universe is like a dusty room that's been around for eternity. We're the dust.
>>525988423Forever seems scarier to me because it means that we have cycles of suffering over and over and over. Society has to start over somewhere else and struggle until it fails from the cosmic curse.
>>525988518But that is what he said, sort of
>>525984044>Ok, then what started the cycle? You aren't explaining anything, just kicking the can down the road. There still has to be a beginning.It's turtles all the way down my dude.
>>525988861I know what you mean, but no matter how far back you can push a claim of understanding a genesis, the obvious question is what was before that. It will never end. Our brains don’t appear to be capable of understanding some concepts. Be that from the nature of those concepts, or from our cause and effect approach to understanding.
>>525982158A giant bowl of spaghetti. You can't refute this any more than science can refute or prove anything about what existed before existence.
>>525988867>There still has to be a beginning.Why?
>>525988867>tortoise>torusthere's just a little misunderstanding going on
>>525982158>What was the previous Universe like?Who the fuck cares.Where's the Universe without Jews and all of their machinations.
>>525982510This. Somehow before apparently no one thought that at some point forces like gravity would slow and halt the expansion of the universe and cause it to subtract, shrink into an infinitesimal point, become unstable and explode outwards.
>>525989184Based, this IS fact. There is literally no proof that refutes it. So by modern day logic it is NOT false.
>>525982158but i thought i was supposed to believe the settled science? you're telling me that science is allowed to just change its mind? i became an atheist because i was convinced to trust the science™.
>seven grand universes orbiting:>central grand universe (first and original Creation)>together these Grand Universes combines Master Universe>the central Grand Universe is locked to only stationary "island", orbits that, which is held in place by seven enormous "black holes" (which aren't holes of any kind). >the Grand Universes "breathes" - expands, contracts, warming and cooling>our Grand Universe is at the moment about in the middle of it's expanding (inhaling) phase - which will last for the next, roughly four billion years.>then a "brief" - few hundred million years of "stillness">and then our Grand Universe begins to contract, exhale>no one notices anything dramatic happening in any of these phases - they are just simply noted.All matter and energy do get "recycled" through immense forces which are taken care of by natural currents in the cosmic order.Outside space of Master Universe contains immense, not yet actualized energy, energy potentials etc. Which will be at some very distant point in future organized into new Grand Universes. In which You serve as "ancients" for brand new systems and worlds, and you get to see amazing things unfold and take part in these.Sure, our Grand Universe has, too, plenty to do, since it is very much still a work in progress and continues to be for many aeons to come. Our world, Earth, is a standard "Garden World" where citizens of the vast cosmos are born. Also known as "the Abyss", since from Universal vantage point, souls and personalities seem to appear from "bottomless pit", "out of nowhere", "ex nihilo". Although the mechanics of Life is perfectly understood, and, always planted - just like in your green house or back yard garden.
>>525982158The big twist in this game is that exact theory. The universe before ours wanted to lengthen their existence so they found a way to shorten our universe's life to extend their own.
>>525982158How does that benefit me ?
>>525991833you get to come backagain and againuntil you figure out how to surpass the physiospiritual coefficient of friction>with enough energy potential, he said to himself....you can go anywhere
>>525988123>hard fucking physics and mathswhich by definition cant explain the origin of existence. thus metaphysics. random chaos is the most plausible explanation for existence because it is the simplest causatory mechanism. it is also the highest probability, because if there is only a single universe, then the part where it created itself out of nothing would the the rarest event ever (1:infinity) whereas if there is random chaos and universes creating themselves out of nothing happens infinitely it is the highest probability (infinity-1:1).
>>525993178>which by definition cant explain the origin of existence.this is in effect saying that there is not maths that describe every single happening or event in the universewhich is completely retardedEVERYTHING has math that describes itit is dumb to think otherwise
>>525993325>EVERYTHING has math that describes ityou are a retard. how can math describe something creating itself out of nothing? math has to be logically valid and existence is fundamentally paradoxical so logic doesnt work.
>>525982210That's just before you were born anon
>>525982158We live inside a black hole."Previous universe" is the parent universe that contains the black hole that is our universe.
>>525982158Yeah no shitThe big bang was akin to breathing for the universe. Wait until you figure out that consciousness is the 5th dimension that tethers this whole shit hole together
>>525993325Express love in a mathematical formula.
>>525983056They don'tive in space. They don't exist and Satan was specifically said to dwell on earth you delusional liar
>>525982158pure, topmost, peakest sophistry
Gosh so many people open their flap mouth and talk just for talking or make chimp like noises. Be quiet if you have nothing to say how can you be so stupid? OMG
>>525982158When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.
>>525982158I figured that was the case by the time I was 12. I didn't need math, my gut was simply correct.
Space is fake Christ is King
>>525993806>how can math describe something creating itself out of nothing?this concept violates conservation of energythe idea itself is invalid
>>525993980>y-you cant express affinities with mathkek, ok mathlet
>>525982158I had this idea when I was a kid. Where's my nobel prize?
>>525982158I swear to god, it takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to believe in a higher power. Let me know in another ten years how your faith has evolved when more hot science drops.
>>525994335>this concept violates conservation of energythats my point. existence and motion violate conservation of energy. this is why math and logic cant solve the nature of reality or its origins, which has been known for thousands of years.
>>525983338Words are not narco hostages, stop mutilating our language, paco.
>>525994478you're taking the given as true in this situationthe given is an opinion that is not consistent with conservation of energythis means the given is incorrect
I liked the episode Futurama had on this
>>525993806>math can’t explain it because>stuff came from nothingJust because you don’t have the information doesn’t mean it can’t be solved dipshit
>>525982158Is there any point in even thinking of the universe as something defined that has properties, a beginning and an end? We only observe behaviour and then generalize laws that we for no reason then project on the unobserved past and future, but the more we get aways from that localized observations the more our prejudice that the past and future have resembled and will resemble experience becomes fragile. Should we even think of an "universe" or about "universal" laws that are always true? I have every reason to suspect that whatever phenomena that happens in a distant space and a distant time will not only exhibit different behaviour from what we have observed and measured but also do so in a way that is unpredictable
>>525993980Just because nobody has formulated it yet, doesn't mean that you can't. Love really just boils down to neurochemistry which can be quantified and probably will be eventually. I bet our descendents will be able to predict a prospective mother's love for her unborn child and be able to alter her brain chemistry if she's somehow defective.
>>525994367The insistence that everything is explainable through cause and effect and everything is definable through mathematics is increasingly proven folly the more we become able to observe the largest and smallest scales. Our inability or unwillingness to accept this may prove to be humanity’s greatest limitation.
>>525994795So love is an unproven theory.
>>525994818>is increasingly proven folly the more we become able to observe the largest and smallest scalescompletely unqualified statement
>>525993964>look at me give me attention>I knew that, wow you didn’t know that>say more insane shit>Uh duh!>you didn’t know?>more news at 11!>I always knew I just say nothing>makes 3000 predictions everyday>none of them come true>is never wrong>is always temporarily embarrassed but will be right about everything>ego is attached to knowing and spreading false informationThe 38 year old reality rejectoooooorrrrrr
>>525982158lol good to know that penrose agrees with me when i was 18 smoking pot and tripping on shrooms. i knew i had it all figured out then, and i was right all along
>>525982990>improves upon itselfThis would be nice. Eternal recurrence would be hell (I failed at life)
>>525988423I always thought that funny, people make assumptions about spiritual things based one what they see of material things, and many say "it is nothingness", but who has ever seen nothing? The very concept only exists in theory. Not even at the most minute scale does nothing exist. At every stage of the advent of better lenses and sensors smaller and smaller things have been found. Once they figure out a way to zoom in more they will find things smaller than the smallest particles we have thus far found, and likewise in the opposite direction, right now the universe is the biggest thing, we'll find bigger. >if you look you shall findit would be crazy if people actually started paying attention to this and started being more thoughtful about what they are looking for.
>>525994967Yeah, if you want to put it that way. But most people report experiencing it subjectively and it has measurable effects in the real world, so there's reasonable evidence that it exists.
>>525995143>but who has ever seen nothing?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc9PhzfJBaQ
>>525982158There was no big bang, the "universe" is not really a thing either which would imply a limit or boundary. It does not have a limit, it does not have a beginning, it does not have an end. It is spatially and temporally infinite. >>525982990I reckon they're referring to galaxies, not the "universe". That's the only thing the cyclic cosmology theory gets correct, that the cosmos is cyclical, but it's not cyclical in the sense that time or space itself has a beginning or end. It's cyclical in that everything of space and time has a beginning and end. Galaxies are born, they expand, then they die, they contract. From the ether they are born to the ether they return, none escape this law.
>>525994558>the given is an opinion that is not consistent with conservation of energyconservation of energy is just an opinion too. what proof do you have that it is true?
>>525994994The fuck it is. Both fields have become entrenched in theories that are continuously proven unreliable through observation while steadfastly moving forward in the increasing darkness of enlightenment by determing what variables are required to make new observations work with the status quo so they can be labeled dark whatever and imagined into reality so the math all still works.
>>525982990>feedback loop that improvescan I see that improvement?the bible is right, it only gets worse until Jesus returns.
>>525994471There is no big handbook of atheism which tells one what version of cosmogony to ascribe to
Still can’t answer where it came fromLiterally using marvel movie plotsScience is trash
>>525995335>conservation of energy is just an opinion too.ok nitwit>what proof do you have that it is true?literally every experiment that's ever touched on the subject
>>525995342>both fields have become entrenched in theories that are continuously proven unreliableall you've done here is pointed out that the theories are incompletenot exactly something that isnt widely known
>>525982158Hasn't this been the prevailing theory among scientists for a long time? When you ask about what came before the Big Bang, they always answer "another universe". Essentially, the Big Bang/Crunch bookends the existence of every universe. Which is wildly unsatisfying, because none of it answers why or what is beyond our universe.
>>525995571>Which is wildly unsatisfying, because none of it answers why or what is beyond our universe.Anon itd be like someone asking what is beyond your next thought, Another Thought
>>525982158>When the majority of scientists are Hindu, Hindu cosmology prevailsFunny how that works
>>525992000trips of truth, i fucking kneel
>>525983677FUCK YOUWHY WOULD YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT
>90 year old man suggests big bang ain't over and he has infinitely more banging ahead of himThis is what happens when you spend your entire youth fiddling with Langrangians and Hamiltonians instead of getting your dick wet.
>>525995513I’ve know issue with learning how theories are incomplete. That is a desirable thing. No progress can be made without it unless someone got really lucky and nailed it all out of the gate. My point was not that theories can be shattered, it is that instead of admitting we could be wrong, we are trying to force reality into our mathematical model, answering what does not fit with our understanding through reverse calculations to acquire a variable, then pretending something conveniently exists that provides just that value. I don’t remember the dudes name, but there was an astronomer of old that did the same thing to presume a mathematically provable orrery that charted our solar system well enough to predict future locations of all bodies, and all with the earth at the center of it.
Probably like ours since it has to obey the laws that htis bigger multiverse soup somehow holds as well.
>>525995571There was no big bang and nothing is beyond our universe because that implies it has limits. The only "beginning" it has is an ontological beginning, not a beginning or end in space or time. It's ontological beginning is what it is in principle rather than as it appears.
>>525986473>The current state of India disproves this immediatelyDoesn't disprove it, maybe India was even worse in the previous Kalpas and this current one is the best there ever was
>>525995396Here's the thing though. It takes a highly intelligent man to say the phrase "I don't know". Every single atheist (sure, most religious people too) I've ever known does not have that phrase in their vocabulary when talking about the universe or creation. They always have a great tidy little explanation that explains away the necessity of a creator. Then, new science drops. Their explanation changes, but never in favor of creation. It is always excluded. Always. You think such open minded people willing to swap out their core beliefs based off "new evidence" would at least be open to hearing you out about a creator. Nope. So here's the thing that nobody wants to accept. We don't know. Nobody does. Nobody ever will. I accept that whatever happened, happened with a divine guiding hand. The specifics of it are beyond my ability as a human to understand or grasp. I accept this. Now, unless you want to create time travel and something capable of observing what you believe to be an infinity expanding universe in real time and then send it back to the moment of the big bang and compile that data in the modern era, well, simply put, you aren't going to understand it either. Even if you could do that, I'm sure it would leave you with more questions than answers. The best you have is some theory. An idea. A complete mental fabrication to comfort you from not having to not know.
>>525982158and poof matter just appeared from nowhere to begin this cycle.>funny how atheists use "we live in a simulation" or crap like this to deny God.
>>525982990Kalpa is a kind of thrusting sword in Finnish language and the Jäger March by Jean Sibelius from 1917 has lyrics:>Koko onnemme kalpamme kärjessä on, ei rintamme heltyä saatawhich loosely translates to>all of our luck is at the point of our sword, our courage/heart/will can't/won't falterWhen you think about Kalpa as time, then it's pretty obvious everything stands on the point of the sword
>>525984442underrated
>>525996546Have you been eating reindeer turds again?
>>525982158We still aren't certain if the Big Bang even happened. Astrophysics are so fucked.
>>525995444>literally every experimentso you are basic conservation of energy on observations of the material world, motion, and cause and effect, and yet the law is paradoxical, and there could be no motion if it were true, so all of your observations are either an illusion, or logic cant explain the nature and origin of existence. once again. this is not new. pythagoras and xeno were hashing this out thousands of years ago and understood it much better than you.
>>525996806your sidewinding tangents arent disspelling the claim that maths exist to describe everything
>>525995661Yes, that's exactly my point.>>525996133I understand that. But this isn't about what "is", it's about this particular theory. And I don't know why someone won a Nobel prize for something that has, to my knowledge, already been the assumed theory for decades.
>>525996322God is existence itself.
>>525985744A more rational explanation is we, as a species, haven't been around very long, and science has been around even less (just over 100 years). Therefore, we can't know for sure.Jumping from that to "A BRONZE AGE MESOPOTAMIAN COW DEMON CREATED EVERYTHING" is absurd.
>>525996322>the jewish god who demands foreskins from "his chosen people", created it all out of nothing.You are brain damaged.
>>525995487blessed image
Cyclic universe and existence is cool and all but become quite tiresome. Especially if you forget everything on each round. You could consider having a place of stability free from the cycles for beings to be in while also being able to access the cyclic universe, or even just a stable universe which causes problems also. Some things should perhaps remain mysteries.
it helps explain how there's so much music from the 70s and 80s
>>525996970>sidewinding tangentsmy sidewinding tangents are foundational elements of math and logic you fucking retard
>>525996322Our puny brains can't comprehend this shit.
>>525982158Penrose's proposed mechanics are interesting. In the most layman terms possible, when all matter in the existing universe decays and there's only photons and other massless particles left, then scale time and distance no longer holds meaning. Because of this, this current universe, for all its scale will functionally be the equivalent of an infintesimally small point and give rise to a new "big bang". For cavement out there - imagine a complex picture, now zoom the camera out so far it becomes a single pixel.
>>525982510>decadesThis has been the theory of existence for multiple cultures since the beginning of history
I guess it explains how i was able to see my future paths in life while high 30 years ago.
>>525996706No but I did make some reindeer jerky just last week
>>525982158>muh numbers Fake and gay
>>525998573photons are said to not experience time.maybe in a big crunch scenario as the universe gets denser and gravity increases, the world will appear to freeze in time at certain point as everything gets more gravitationally dense. an event horizon emerges from all sidestime slows down to nothing.
There's the invisible universe, spans in which the universe exceeds the distance of inflation to the speed of light, then when a googolplex of information occurs, there's reiterations or copies of the universe where you would even find copies of the self. At this distance it's considered a multiverse. So the universe is infinite and reiterative at large scales. I do believe the universe rebounds in "pockets", where the cosmological principle is not true, and not all regions of space time have the same curvature or cosmological constant at large scales. lending to "out of time" universes, unobservable ancient parts of a multiverse.
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>>525982158>We get to live our shitty life eternally.God I hate Mercurius so much it is unreal...
>>525998723Tasty, I’ve had it in Alaska.
>>525987766is pic related an accurate representation
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>>525982158I've studied physics for at least 20 years and the implications of every theory are incredibly depressing if you sit and think about it. There's no reason for anything to exist. There's no purpose, yet everything exists anyway. Some people try to make it make sense with religion, the supernatural, or some kind of presence either internal or external to the universe, but we never see any evidence of any of that. Life is just some kind of cruel joke where nothing matters.
>>525987766>>525999885No, he’s saying when you flush your toilet in the northern hemisphere it ejects out of a southern hemisphere toilet.
>>526000095Why does there have to be a reason?
>>525982158Horse cakes
>>526000095all physical and cosmological models and theories coexist peacefully with higher dimensional elves and gnomes etc. nudging causal events in some ways
>>526000192it would be nice if suffering served a greater purpose
>>525982971Physically impossible
>>526000095You're just a depressed faggot. Existence *is* the reason to exist.
>>525982990>loop that improves upon itselfThat means the previous version of India was shittierHow is that even possible?
>>526000397Good answer, and there were times when I wanted to know, don’t get me wrong, but it possible to come to terms with not knowing free of despair, or maybe it is just a case of ignorance is bliss and I know far less than I realize.
>>526000095>Life is just some kind of cruel joke where nothing matters.yes, but we got filtered down to semi-intelligent flesh bags that can cope with it based on defensive mechanisms reinforced by dopamine hits so it'll continue until that isn't good enough anymore. that, or the creator wakes us up from our 3rd dimensional coma and we understand everything as it really is in whichever higher dimension
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>>526000095Man, imagine being this smart and also this fucking dumb.
>>525982158this has been a theory for a while. it basically means that the vacuum stability was fucked and eventually a prior universe "drained" into a new one, eventually making a semi-stable universe that we now live in.the stability can last billions of years and our universe it still at risk of being destroyed
>>525982210I mean our current universe is pink because hydrogen is pink. So probably, yeah
>>525983677>What if it gets a little worse upon each "reset"?Makes sense if thermodynamics is a paniversal feature
>>526000653yeah i've made peace with it, but I get why people feel compelled to search for meaning
>>526001360>>525983677btw thanks for giving us Carnot you filthy amphibian motherfuckers
>>525998310>conveniently forgets the rest of the statementits annoying when fags press on with their own points and forget all the other points or how the discussion even got started
>>525998889its just how it goes when the universe is a toruswe're in expansion/redshift where we are noware yin and yang must resolve themselves, this necessitates contraction & blueshift later on in the processtime slows down to nothing the closer and closer you get to cwhich is kinda ironic given that we dont experience the passage of time and perpetually experience now
>>525999885in a sense, yesbut not in the way the picrel you replied to
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>>526000118kek, in a manner of speakingits why the big bang is a perpetual habbening and not a singular event
>>526000095I just wish that an afterlife exists and that everyone gets a second chance. I don't like the idea of non-existance.This doesn't even require a God to exist but a God exisiting would be God if he was on my side.
>>525982158made up jewish bullshit
>>526002678Circle of life, doesn’t give a fuck about time, I wouldn’t dismiss the notion.
>>526000192>Why does there have to be a reason?Based>>526000646>Existence *is* the reason to exist.Semi-based>>526001007>vacuum stabilityExplain like you're explaining to a normie
