How does /pol/ explain the birth rates in its favorite trad slant eye countries, where there are few, if any, Jews?
>>525986228The Birth rate crash has nothing to do with jews. No one has any idea what the fuck is happening with this. Anyone who claims to understand it at all is pushing buillshit. Not really a "Jews are magic and evil" type anon, but I thought I would answer anyway.
>>525986427>no one understund whyisnt it pretty obvious ? i think people just dont like to admit it or see it because once they see it they know the problem runs too deep that change is almost impossible
>>525986579The question is, is it because of prosperity, or educating women, or both?
>>525986579Tell me what you think the obvious answer is, and I will try to explain from my retard anon point of view why it doesn't explain the issue.
>>525986427>Anyone who claims to understand it at all is pushing buillshit.Centuries of patriarchy.It caused too many inferior men to be born and now when women regained sexual freedom they simply refuse to reproduce with them.
>>525986228Those countries are overpopulated anyway, an if they can keep it around 1.8-2 births per woman they could reduce it steadily without much disruption.
>>525986839>overpopulated Japan isn't, Korea isn't.
>>525986659>>525986732its the way society organises itself , it always comes to this when you think about it , if you look at the past you would notice that society was organised more loosely and was more familly oriented , you would have been granted a job and a house since birth everything was destined and fate was important , now you dont have that , you need to work you're way out , buy your own home and all of that takes many years of effort and you also have to manage relations that are now more fake in my opinion , people didnt interact as we do now , you now go out to work to people you would never see when you change work again , that wasnt the case in the past , you usually worked with your close friends and familly
>>525986740Western gender issues don't explain this crash. Places where women have zero rights have dropped from 6 to 2 births per woman at the same time as the West. Saudi Arabia dropped from 7.6 to 2.3 during a time period where they could drive or leave the house without a guardian.
>>525986732Young womem are sepending their late teens and early 20s in school, their mid 20s to early 30s girlbossing excel spreadsheet 'careers', then their mid 30s finding a man, and start "wanting someday" re:children when pushing their late 30s. Used to be that they started pumping babies out in their late teens. It's mathematical. You can't have 5 kids when you biologically have time left for 2 at most.>what to doNothing can be done because men dont have the balls to do the neeedful anymore. Have to wait for collapse and rebuild the patriarchy from the ashes.
>>525986228>trad slant eye countriesBirth rates in all first world nations have plummeted. The explanation is technology. High tech means less human interaction. People on social media, playing video games all day, watching porn, etc. Ted Kaczynski was right. When you look at the Amish in the birthrates are still high because they actually live like humans are supposed to. Close knit families. No tech separating them
>>525987088Social atomization is a contributing factor, but it just doesn't explain the drop. Places without internet access that don't have the same atomization issues dropped at the same rate as places with severe social atomization. India is a perfect example of this. Most of rural India does not have internet access, and does not have the social atomization issue. They dropped below replacement at the same rate as the Western world, just a little slower.
>>525987184The Middle East fell below replacement dude. Most of the ME does not have the dynamic you are explaining. Places with working women populations and places without them both fell below replacement around the same time. It isn't just cultural. Something else is happening. Do you think women in Turkmenistan are waiting until 30 to have kids? Nope, and they still fell from around 7 to 2 in the same time frame.
>>525987184They need to be force bred.
>>525987131>Places where women have zero rightsTechnology explains it. Internet is everywhere now - women see how the rest of the world lives. And places you mention tend to have free access to abortion measures.She may be forced to have sex with a chud, but they're is no stopping her from flushing his fetus down the toilet.
>>525986228Communism is Jewish. They got got by the mind virus.
>>525987432women education + contraceptions also plays a big role , delayed marriage too , there was a documentary about low fertility that showed that women that dont have the first child by 30 tend to be a childless women , and that the problem is mostly the growing number of childless women and not that women have less children
>>525987664It's not about rights, it's about labor force participation and the time asspciated schooling takes out of a woman's childbearing window dummy. And effects of Western women yasss feminisming themselves into the labor force means global corporations would rather hire a westerner at half the cost than a thirdie male sole breadwinner who demands a family-supporting wage. Thus the thirdie can command less wage, and his wife is pressured to join the labor force, leading to the same birthrate crash.
>>525987671No they don't. Just subsidise childbirth such that having 4 kids is more financially attractive than 6 years of schooling and 10 years of wageslaving before trying for your first kid.
>>525987713Saudi Arabia doesn't have abortion, dude. Most of the Middle East and Central Asia have stricter abortion rules than Texas. Internet access might explain a portion of this, but feminist bullshit doesn't explain this issue. Places with abortion and places without it fell at the same rate, and places with internet access and without it fell at the same rate. There is more here, dude. Something that is not explained by Western gender issues, technology, or social atomization. Something else is happening, and if anyone has a theory, I would love to hear it because this doesn't make sense to me. Maybe microplastics, maybe birth control, plus a bunch of contributing factors, and maybe lower rates of population density in rural areas. Those are all guesses, and would take a bunch of other factors to contribute to this big a fall.
>>525988261It's labor force participation, you fucking retard. Everyone's equipment works fine but young women working delays having kids which limits their numbers. Thats fucking it.
People don't want to reproduce when their countries continuously get worse.
>>525988261My limited take is, similar to GDP, the population line can’t go up forever. If a lot of places around the world are dropping it’s just self corrective action of a sort. At least where I live, not even in a major city, there are fucking cars and people in stores at ALL hours of the day, all day. Do really feel pressure to have kids with how crowded it feels now compared to 10 years ago? Not really.Maybe people in other places feel the same way.
>>525988409People reproduce in the shittiest warzones just fine as long the female labor force participation rate is low. You can't both be working full time and raising an infant. It's that shrimple.
>>525988437People have had far more children with far less room in the past. Shitting out 5 kids is possible in a 200sqft grass hut. That's the historical norm. The only thing preventing wpmen from doing so is financial and social pressure to work outside the home. That is IT.
>>525988261its the industrial urban way of life and all that is needed to keep it running , this basically explains it all
>>525987794There are a bunch of things that play a role, but most of those are region and culture specific variables. Places with these contributing factors and without them fall at the same rate, so they might contribute, but they aren't the cause. This is like colony collapse syndrome for people. >>525987989A lot of people thought this until some of the newer places fell below replacement. There are places with almost no female labor participation that have fallen below replacement. There are places with almost negligible female higher education rates that have fallen under replacement. This problem is affecting places where the majority of the population are subsistence farmers, dude. Chad is a perfect example of this. Most of Chad's economy is 1st sector. Farming and mining. They went from 58 per 1000 in 93 to 38 per 1000 this year.
>>525988753Its not about urbanism. You dont need women working instead of raising children to maintain a city. If anything it would be easier to do with half the people in the street and on the train.
There subpopulations that are still reproducing at above replacement level. Rural Christian conservatives in the US are still having children at above replacement levels. Urban Orthodox Jews worldwide are still having children at above replacement levels. There are even subgroups in Japan that are still having children at above replacement levels. Orthodox Jews have long been good at keeping their children from straying, even in an urban environment. Rural conservatives have trusted their local school board with their children and are now learning that those school boards are pozzed. As a result, home schooling is increasing in that group. No idea about how well the subgroups in Japan are defending their children from the ideological forces reducing the birth rates of the overall country.
>>525988689Except populations were never this dense. Ever. We are at historically high population levels so your postulation is a false equivalence
>>525986427>vaccines>sneed oils>porn>high cost of living>overall demoralized populationSo yeah, jews
>>525989070Chad is nowhere near below replacement, retard. It had the highest birthrate in the world and incidentally one of the lowest FLFP rates .Woman no worky = woman have time to breastfeed infant while making sure 2 toddlers dont kill themsleves by accidentWoman no worky = man can ask twice the money from bossmanMan come home from work, sex the wife, pregnant again. Repeat for the 16 extra childbearing years she has when unburdened by education and labor
>>525986228Very simple.Capitalism run amok!https://dl.depot.4d2.org/EF6Kxmfq6549.mp4
>>525989422>breastfeedingmakes tits saggy and ugly.then she will no longer arrouse you . and you no longer fuck her.breastfeeding causes only one child , single child effect.to avoid this you allow your wife to breatfeed only the last child that you will have.
>>525989700Retard
>>525988753The Empty Farms explanation is popular, but I think it's only part of it. I will throw out my guess. There are undeniably a laundry list of contributing factors, but the cause itself isn't a multivariable. There is a direct cause for this, or at the very least something that initiated it. It might be medical, cultural, or even an economic. I don't think anyone knows for sure, and most people point to contributing factors that could even be symptoms. >>525988437Places with low population density are falling at the same rate as places with high population density. It might be a type of protection mechanism to prevent overpopulation in our species, but I don't think this is a good thing. Population growth can't go up forever. The problem with that is that population decline this severe is reinforcing. Which means it gets worse every generation from all the isolated cases we have observed. This is so widespread we have no idea what could happen. I think that is why every world leader is making insane moves. Because this is a novel issue that could get bad quickly.
>>525986228They adopted the same type of gay liberalism consumerism as the west
>>525986968Japan and Korea have much higher population densities than China. 140 million people on an island isn't overpopulated? What are you weebs smoking
>>525989308Except populatuon density isnt related to birth rates. Birth rates collapsed first and hardest in places that were relatively sparase but had women participating in the labor force.I donr understand why you fags are overcomplicating it. Fine, i'll give ypu the real /pol/ reason, its invisible parasite vampire gay jews sucking put your semen before your swimmers can reach the target.
>>525990073it doesnt have to be one direct cause , it's just a side effect of how life is currently lived , take your average wagie or normie , he has to study untill his 25 y/o to secure a job once his job is secured he now has to look for a women to marry , lets say he is prepared and marries immedietally to a women similiar to his age 25 y/o , the women if she is working would pop only 1 child when she reaches 30 so when she at 40 she may (if lucky) only have 3 children due to contraceptions , hope you understund where i'm coming from
>>525990497not to mention how hard it is to get a home now
>>525989422I didn't say it was below replacement; I said it was being affected by the issue. Going from 7 to 5 in 15 years is significant, even if it isn't below replacement. I may not have made that clear. Poorer places are behind the trend, but all data says they are falling too. In Africa's case, faster than even the places most acutely affected. What I am telling you is that your explanation simply doesn't reflect the situation. Places with that dynamic, and without that dynamic, are falling.
>>525990497Finally someone gets it. Women who are waging can't also be raising babies. Polfags are too retarded. Half are calling for mass rape, the other half isnt satisfied unless you /x/post about psychic semen-stealing invisible gay jews.
>>525987216Believe it or not but Kazakhstan strikes me as more digital. It has Chinese style super app ecosystems that don't have a Murican equivalent. China next door means any new tech from China leaks into KZ in no time. Most births in KZ likely originate in one single city in the South. It's much richer and more digitized as opposed to the Soviet North. The difference is that people are still trad and arranged marriage is still very much a thing in the South.
>>525990743All places have that dynamic. Female labor force participation is a ratchet that only goes one way because the financial implications are a race to the bottom, and its effects are global.You might see some confusing data in places that can be expected to have people working under the table and traditional honor concepts precluding anyone from admitting their wife has a cash side hustle outside the home. What's the alternative explanation?
>>525987794Imo most women who have children have 3 children at least.
>>525990887and even if the women isnt wageslaving she would still have less children because of how kids are expensive and require effort
>>525986968>Japan124 million people and not able to be food self-sufficient>South KoreaLiterally one of the most densely populated places on the planet.
>>525988753THIS and it's not even arguable, it's the only thing that's true around the world. Everyone moves to the city where there's plays and movies and distractions and cars and everything, but you go into the country to some amish farm and they're making 20 kids because there's nothing to do but fuck.
>>525986228>Turkey >1.9its even less in the actual imporants areaKurds probably boost this number up a ton
>>525991321>expensiveRelative concept. If you insist on putting them in expensive extracurriculars and constantly buy them the latest phone, maybe. If you can just tell them to fuck off until dinner, not so much. They're as expensive as you make them. >effortWhich you dont have the capacity for if youre working full time
>>525991495well thats what south koreans say
>>525991634>sayKek. Imagine actually listening to a woman's rationalizations for why she spent at least 15 years of her 25 year (at best) childbearing window pursuing education and careerism.
>>525986427it's always DA JOOOS!!!
>>525986228It's quite simple, when life provides you with entertainment and abundant time and food, you have less primal urge to replicate. This is a natural way to safeguard a population from exploding and imploding on itself, like the mouse utopia experiment demonstrated.Thank god this exists, because 10 billion shitheads is 10x what the planet could sustain in harmony with other species and plant life.
>>525990497You are making sense, and I get your point of view. What I am trying to say is that even places where women can't leave the house are falling at the same rate as your example. Places where contraceptives are taboo, places where abortion is outright illegal, are falling at the same rate as Europe. Places where the normie is lucky to work in a mine are being affected. Poor countries, and rich countries. Places with arranged marriages and dystopian feminist hellholes like Portland are all being affected uniformly. >>525991105>What's the alternative explanation?There isn't a good explanation, that is my point. Shit sholvers in rural India have the same birthrate trend as an Albertan oil family. It doesn't make any sense. It's not cultural, and it's not economic. Those things seem to make it worse, but their absence doesn't prevent the trend.
>>525986228Women's rights cause this. Shrimple. Asian generations of the past valued having male children over female children because males are workers. This led to women having even more sexual leverage than they do in the west which created the ultimate simp culture. East Asian states have misandry and insane female egos worse than we do in the west. Western yellow fever idiots are blind to it because they are beta males who get abused by western women, but Asian women see any white man as a Chad so will switch up and behave to a white beta how a white woman behaves to a white Chad.Basically, the reason why birth rates are collapsing in short is because women's rights allow all women to sleep with Chad. Then when he leaves her she becomes a Chad widow and is unwilling to have the children of an inferior male. This is even worse in Asia because there are fewer women.
>>525988261The so called 'trad' countries have also gone through women's liberation, just udnet the nose of the government. I used to play videogames with a guy from Iran and he opened my eyes to this. Iran has the exact same sexual dynamic as the west. The only difference is that because women must retain their virginity or face severe consequences they simply take Chad's dick up the shitter. Not even trolling. Every Iranian girl gets her asshole run through. There is the problem. Women would literally rather let Chad fuck them in the asshole than have regular sex with you. Let alone children. Just as in the west, most women in Iran become Chad widows before they even get an arranged marriage. Behind the facade of Islamic traditionalism most married Muslim men get pussy whipped by a bitch that doesn't even have sex with them and just uses them to live a comfortable life while dreaming of her younger days with Chad in her ass.
