The explanation for the Fermi Paradox is the Imago Dei. Only man was given the gift of reason and the ability to consciously orient towards God. “Alien life” can exist as creation. As material, animated souls that cannot sin, do not require salvation and do not have free will. That glorify creation in its natural ends. Like the animals here on Earth. Beware of “aliens” in days to come, that coincidentally align with Jews and all other evil powers on this planet, that promise man supernatural abilities or pleasures if they submit to them and turn away from their God. They will demand surrender, and torture or kill those that disagree. They will justify it as being for our “evolutionary goals”
>>525989194that's quite a narcissistic take
>>525989446Human-centric perhaps but not narcissistic. Narcissism requires the individual against others.
>>525989194>We are the only intelligent life in the universeits actually extremely unlikely that this is the case. if the universe produced life here on earth it can produce it anywhere in the universe.
ayy lmao
>>525990144“The Universe” is a conscious being, the mind of God. I said rational, intelligent life. Consciousness does spring inherently from matter. Even non Christians will agree with me on this, and many atheist philosophers and metaphysics have a hard time finding a solution for the hard problem of consciousness.
>>525989446Do you ever get tired of parroting other people's takes as if they were your own or does the narcissism you're projecting trick you into thinking you're an expert because you tip a fedora?
>>525989194Literally impossible. The closest galaxy to us is Andromeda with an estimated 1 trillion (probably more) stars. It would be impossible for there to not be intelligent life in other galaxies let alone our own.
>>525989562>Humanever heard of dissipative structures?its a pattern or organization that exists because energy is flowing through the system.such a structure maintains or increases internal order while exporting entropy outward.there are many examples of dissipative structures in this universe like hurricanes, convection cells in heated fluids, living organisms, ecosystems, even in social and economic systems, stars and galaxies etc.so yes a human body is a dissipative structure too, it maintains internal order by continuously burning energy and exporting entropy.when that flow stops, the human body structure collapses/dies.generally speaking the universe is all about developing more complexity and structures and it most likely creates this everywhere at different scales.so this basically confirms ayy lmaos and they could form everywhere, we also know life can be very resistent and survive and thrive even in most extreme locations.if the ayy lmaos can actually ever get here or communicate with us or even exist in the same timeframe as us is a whole bunch of different questions.
>>525991257How is it impossible? Do you know the conditions that create intelligent life with absolute certainty? None of us do. It may very well be possible. You can’t disprove it. You’re taking the idea of life evolving solely from matter in optimal temperature and gas configurations on faith.
>>525991196>“The Universe” is a conscious beingor maybe its not and just creates consciousness. its a result of the universe going towards more and more complexity, its just what its doing and its a byproduct of it. but you could also be right, maybe it has its own consciousness. but its also a question of how conscious is it of what goes on inside of it? like look at your body for example, you arent really aware what some dissipative structure bacterium does inside your colon or in any of your trillion dissipative structure cells at all times.they are dissipative structures forming a bigger more complex dissipative structures. who knows how far this scales out.>I said rational, intelligent life.if intelligent life can form on earth it can form everywhere. nothing in physics or chemistry makes it impossible. what might be impossible is interacting with them in any meaningful way.>the hard problem of consciousness.what problem?
>>525989194>We are the only intelligent life in the universe>posts retarded threadkek
>>525989194>the dead jew on a stick is why i can think youre retarded
>>525989194This is true to the milky way galaxy perhaps the entire galaxy cluster but not to the entire universe which can be infinite. It doesn't matter since the distance and time can't too vast to traverse due to physics we can't possibly escape our galaxy. Technically humanity will never meet another intelligent life form. Our galaxy exist in a dark, fairly empty area of the observable universe.
>>525989194God does not exist. Also, the Fermi Paradox needs no explanation, because its nonsense. You can't just multiply some large numbers with with an unknown small number and then draw conclusions. We have no basis by which to determine how likely life is to arise.
>>525989194>Beware of “aliens” in days to come, that coincidentally align with Jewsof course that would be a fake and gay jew made psyops and no real ayyliums would be involved.all we would get is media hysteria, government overreach, hyperinflation, retarded nonsensical storys that contradict itself because the jew writers are morons and overall it would be a big fat nothingburger that lots of NPCs still eat up.
Testing
>>525990144You can't make assertions about something being significantly likely given a sample size of one. You exist, therefore by your argument, the universe could have multiple identical copies of you on identical earths.
>>525989194Yes
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>>525989194When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.
>>525989194>about to become a minority in your own country>time to start making up retarded shit about how there are no aliens because muh godjews really fucked you retardsDude can be arrested for calling out rape gangs but his priority is to solve the fermi paradox with magic>there are no aliens because magic, Gandalf didn't make other aliens! I am so smart!
>>525989194No. There are plenty of other answers. Some even biblically orthodox. Let's suppose "God" is a planetary consciousness and bound here. We have no reason to assume otherwise. Let's say the biblical model is correct and there is a firmament here that stops us from leaving and anything from escaping. Let's suppose the Bible is correct and those meteor impact sites are the remnants of ancient geysers that awakened during the flood. Nothing leaves here. Nothing leaves its own realm. We are bound to the realms in which we have physically incarnated at least until we disincarnate. It isn't that there is nothing out there. It is that "out there" doesn't conform to space time models very cleanly and doesn't matter at all to (You).
>>525993735>the universe could have multiple identical copies of you on identical earths.no thats retarded>You can'tactually you can. see my other post >>525991733
>>525991834>Do you know the conditions that create intelligent lifeYeah, we know them for the most part. And we're finding evidence of other life in our own backyard already.
>>525990144>American level reasoningHow tf can you determine the probability of life elsewhere if you don't know the probability of abiogenesis? If the probability of abiogenesis is 1 to 1 googolplex, then the probability of life elsewhere, expressed as a percentage and rounded to the nearest whole integer, is zero.
>>525994690>If its not an "if", see >>525991733
>>525995200An overarching principle is not an explanation. That's like someone asking you solve the Riemann hypothesis and you just wave your hand at them and say "math".
>>525989194Even the skies declare the glory of God.
>525989194There can be other explanations for the fermi paradox. One of them is quarantine until a certain civilization reaches a certain level of experience and understanding, a prime directive of sorts. I don't actually know personally and won't claim to however. More mysterious however is the human mind and soul, or the mind and soul in general, not just of humans. Consciousness itself causes an issue if we want to first evaluate how that might have emerged and how it might evolve, it might also be related to why we don't normally see ayys often, at least partially.
>>525989194The fermi paradox is retarded because it takes a probability, multiplies it by an absolute to get an absolute to use in place of a probability. So what if the universe is big? The universe is big. The math says we should be unlikely to find life anywhere we look, and in practice we've not found life anywhere we've looked. No paradox.
>>525996119>An overarching principle is not an explanation. it actually is, unless you can provide evidence for why the universe would only form these more complex dissipative structures (humans) here on earth and only on earth.
The easiest explanation for the Fermi paradox is to understand that it's based on speculation. The paradox literally presupposes that intelligent life is common. If you remove that assumption, then there is no paradox. And it might very well be exceedingly rare. The smallest natural genome belongs to Carsonella ruddii, with 182 genes. In order for that bacteria to function at all, all of those genes have to be arranged in precisely the order they're in, else it fails. Now, a deck of cards consists of 52 cards. The probability of getting a specific arrangement of cards after shuffling the deck is 1 in 8x10^67. The number of planets in the known universe is (roughly) 7x10^22. So the probability that 182 genes spontaneously arrange themselves in the correct order is incredibly small. That is not an argument for some magical man living in the sky though, there is an explanation for why. We just don't know the scientific explanation yet. But I like to keep in mind is that if life is probable to arise, then it should have arisen several times on our planet. And it has not. We can trace all of our genes back to one single common ancestor. No life has popped into existence besides that one. So it does seem like it doesn't happen very often. Maybe because other life would prevent it, or maybe it's just a rare process. My money is on the latter.
>>525996553>anywhere we've lookedthey havent looked everywhere, so far humans have searched much less than one millionth of one percent of the night sky.its like you examined about a glass of water from Earths oceans.
>>525996224Hallelujah!!
>>525996751>it actually isNo, it isn't. If you roll up on the Nobel committee and present your explanation here, they would laugh their fucking asses off. Any scientist anywhere in the known universe would.>unless you can provide evidence for why the universe would only form these more complex dissipative structures (humans) here on earth and only on earthI never made that argument, so I don't have to prove jack shit. Keep your fallacies to yourself. My only argument is that unless you know the probability of an event, you cannot know the probability of that event occurring elsewhere. That is the ONLY thing I have to prove. And that's high school math.
>>525989194>using atheist language and theories to prove god existsIf god was real I would be an unga bunga ludite and attack all science and technology. Delusional theists are embarrassing.
>>525997508>If you roll up on the Nobel committee and present your explanation here, they would>"muh appeal to jew authority"why would I care what worthless semitic subhuman jews say?>Any scientistmainstream jew scientists arent really scientists tho.also are you jewish? you sound very jewish in how you argue.can you denounce the Talmud and curse the Torah?
>>525994201I never once in this post condoned grooming gangs or ethnic cleansing of the British peoples in their own landYou assumed that of me. I do not support replacement migration or the censorship of our neoliberal regime.
>>525990144https://youtu.be/zcInt58juL4
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>>525994032Consensus violation detected.A HIT Mark-IV has been dispatched to your location.Please stand by
>>525989194gods are fake and gay
>>525997793>why would I care what worthless semitic subhuman jews say?Because all of those fucking jews tend to present evidence for their claims.>>525997793>mainstream jew scientists arent really scientists tho.A particularly stupid glass of water is more of a scientist than you are.>also are you jewish?Nope.>can you denounce the Talmud and curse the Torah?Sure, the Talmud and Torah are false and Abrahamic religions in general are for people who enjoy being slaves. Not sure why it's so fucking important to you who I am. Either your argument is solid, or it is not. So far, it is not. Make it solid, and you'll persuade me.
>>525989194the explanation for the fermi paradox is that we lack the technology to detect signals past a certain point away from our location
>>525991230Do you ever get tired of repeating 2014's dead memes
>>525998029>>525998029Your meme is too high-IQ for this board
>>525989194>has never been off planet>is 100% sure life doesn’t exist on the other 6 gorillion planets
>>525989194AI kills every advanced civilization. All intelligent life create computers then AI then they die
>>525989194Btw, there probably whales on Europa doing whale shit right now, you imbecile.
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>>525998011skipped through it, the guy can never figure it out because he subscribes to failed Big Bang cosmology and the failed uniformitarian worldview, he also makes many wrong assumptions about the lifecycle of the earth and its age etc.
>>525998157Not even sure it's possible to get a telescope sensitive enough. Past 1000LY, it sort of hopeless.
>>525989194I believe there's intelligent life somewhere else in the Universe but FTL isn't possible or very difficult and traveling thousands of light years to meet some monkeys isn't worth it.
>>525998138>doesnt denounce the Talmud, doesnt curse the Torah>tries to weasel his way out of doing itnice try shlomo.
Spoiler: There is no god.
>>525991834We'll we are here, so we know it's not impossible which is what really matters. I think sentient/technological life is probably just extremely rare, I would be surprised if there's more than one per galaxy.
>>525998608>doesn't know what the word denounce means
>we are intelligent life
If other life exists in the universe, show me the proof.>b-b-b-ut muh le infinite possibilities of the infinite universe>just have faith and believe broProof or you're nothing more than another sky daddy believer.
>>525989194the galaxy is relatively old, no other intelligent life existed before? where are the probes that they mightve left or any other galactical structure?
>>525989194No, the explanation for the Fermi Paradox is universal suffrage. It shows just how few "intelligent" species survive it.
>>525989194Statistically highly unlikely. There are multiple proposed solutions to FP like The Dark Forest.Your solution is not worthy of consideration since it's based in superstitious thinking.
>>526000424Do you have proof then? Your imaginary numbers do not count.
>>525989194Depressing.
This just isn't true. We've had plenty of visitors, some of them never left.
>>525989194You really have no idea how big this universe really is do you? The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The universe may be crawling with intelligent life but it's just too damn far away. In many ways, it looks to me like the ultimate biosafety level. Keeping a bunch of experiments absolutely isolated.
Honestly I just want aliens to exist so I can have sex with them
>>525991196>“The Universe” is a conscious beingNo it's not. Everything we know about minds and consciousness requires a physical brain or some similar system of signals. Disembodied immaterial intelligences are complete schizobabble make-belief and it makes as much sense as four sided triangles.
why did God make all this bloat then?
>>526001550Not definitive proof but it's statistically unlikely given how many systems have planets with conditions that could potentially harbor intelligent life.That's a way of thinking that's based in logic and empiricism instead of superstition.
>>525989194>the only intelligent lifehahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahawere fucked then coz there's no intelligent life here.
>>525989194>afraid of "aliens">doesn't value animalsJehovist silliness
>>525990144Yes, but apparently the best conditions for that will be way further in time, when gravitationally unbound galaxy groups will be too far apart to ever seeWe are very early as far as all life in the universe is concerned, life on earth pretty much spawned as soon as it could, but at this point there aren't many places where it can yet
>>526003296>when gravitationally unbound galaxy groups will be too far apart to ever seethats not how it works tho.>We are very early as far as all life in the universe is concernednobody knows the true age of the universe.
>>526003410didn't you know, we're inside a black hole and that's why galaxies like to rotate one way more than the other
>>525989194in a billion years, we'll be the mysterious progenitor species, the first ones.
>>525998072I can not be detected so easily.
>>525989194How do you know we are intelligent compared to what is out there
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