Ready for some politics instead of propaganda?Good and evil are not a dichotomy.They are aspects of a spectrum...Way too much (evil)Bit too much (bad)Edge of balance (good)Center of balance (great)Edge of balance (good)Bit too little (bad)Way too little (evil)
>>526096242this is actually aristotelian, dumbo. it's also known as the middle path in buddhism. it is about avoiding two extremes of excess and deficiency and staying balanced
Now apply this to politics...John Locke argued that property must be earned and once it is it becomes a right. A minimum wage with all its flaws is intended to ensure that someone gets what they earned through labor. But balance means there are also some incomes which cannot be earned through any amount of labor because they are simply way too much. There needs to be a maximum wage. Both Soros and Musk have more power than they have earned.
>>526096354musk doesn't have a "wage", dumbfuck. he owns shares and gets dividends.
>>526096242Greco Roman philosophy is centered around the idea that the Good is the first principle of existence and evil is merely the privation of that principle. They would never say that there could possibly be too much beauty, too much justice, or too much honesty. Anything good is inherently good for its own sake and without qualification. Anything that can lead to disorder was never good in the first place.
>>526096352> this is actually aristotelianAristotle was Greek. In what way is this not Greco-Roman? Stop being a tard.
>>526096242So you're saying a little bit of ass rape is a good and healthy thing?
>>526096573because he was a fucking dissident who was persecuted by athens for saying this shit lmao. in no way did he represent the mainstream of greek thought, let alone roman thought that basically gave no shits about greek philosophy. you're clearly too dumb and ignorant to discuss these concepts with
>>526096439> musk owns shares and gets dividendsWhich should also be subject to a maximum.
>>526096242the greeks prophesized about the coming of christ 400 years before he was born.you were bamboozled to think they weren't christians.
>>526096354>There needs to be a maximum wagethis is retarded.no reason to cap payouts, only cost.
>>526096645Rape by definition is out of balance. I now see that reasonable discourse is impossible on 4chan.
>>526096682>because he was a fucking dissidentdissidents are part of the society they come from, anon.
>>526096853look, if by "greco roman balance" you or OP mean something that represents the majority of greek or roman thought then the golden mean is not it.
>>526096741Plato also advocated for ionised possession of humans similar to Havana Syndrome.Does that sound Christian?
>>526096460> They would never say that there could possibly be too much justiceExecuting someone for spitting on the sidewalk is too much justice. Refusing to charge someone who committed murder is too little justice.
>>526096992> majority of greek or roman thoughtDefinitely not suggesting this comprises the majority of their thought. Just that these are the people it came from as opposed to Abraham.
>>526096242Christianity spread Roman and Greek style to Europe, even to nords, and unified them.
>>526097365>Just that these are the people it came from as opposed to Abraham.it's an indian concept lol, buddha was saying this shit 300 years before aristotle did. it was probably brought back to the west by alexander
>>526096992the majority is not the whole, anon.nobody mentioned it until you which means it was not what we were talking about.why is it so hard for everyone to stay on topic these days?and then, why do they try to argue a point that is irrelevant to the discussion?it's fucking baffling that people actually think this way.
>>526097017one does not make a society, anon.what is with these weak sauce arguments using anecdotes lately?y'all are fucking very weird for thinking that shit holds weight against the topic.
>>526096814>Rape by definition is out of balance.No it isn't
>>526096242>Ready for some politics instead of propaganda?filthy jew
>>526097687it is as the concept of power through sex is pointless outside of marriage.
>>526097687> Pakistani. Argues rape is balanced.Pottery.
>>526097509>>526097575you're legitimately too stupid to discuss this with and you're not even the OP, who at least took it like a man.
>>526096682You're projecting modern protestatism into ancient Greece
>>526097498Yes other people had the same idea. It is interesting that you insist on discussing everything but the main topic. Is that a VPN you are using rabbi?
>>526098127>who at least took it like a mantook what?i explain things so you can understand that you're not debating or discussing correctly.don't double down, accept that you have been given knowledge and move on from here.that way in the future you will be better at discourse.you don't have to thank me, you don't even have to take the lesson, but you do have to admit that you're being narcissistic (read: a nigger).
>>526097414Meanwhile, we explored space, built massive advanced structures and technological inventions that mog Italy and they're basically the way they were 2000 years but browner. Real impressive, faggot.
>>526098127Don’t call him stupid.That’s my husband.
>>526098289Time to go hone Seamus
>>526098250what the fuck are you on about, dumbass. use more words>>526098279the group of people who are most associated with this idea, and came up with it first, are buddhists. if you're going to say something retarded like "the golden mean came from the greeks", which is simply untrue in any sense, then i will criticize it. don't discuss philosophy if you're going to ignore debates over the meaning and history of ideas you tard>>526098289idiot
>>526097097No, that's injustice. Justice implies moderation by definition, meaning there can never be too much justice.
>>526098454You don't understand the ancient world, all you see is your bong utilitarian bugman point of view.
>>526096242as if you have any control over it.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds&pp=0gcJCU8KAYcqIYzv
>>526098790nonsense mixed with gibberish
>>526098571> Justice implies moderationSemantics. If justice is balance rgen saying justice is out of balance would be like saying balance is out of balance. You are not making the point you think you are making.
>>526098920Masters in the ancient world didn't have the industrialist tool mindset. Their warriors conquered for glory, their slaves were 80iq natural slaves, and they laid back sipping wine. It's only later in the Roman empire things got mechanical.
>>526098454>idiotthat word doesn't fit.sorry you can't get it.go be a nigger somewhere else.
I wonder how many of the people on /pol/ who derail threads are intentionally trying to undermine this board. Versus the number of people who are actual users but are so emotionally bound to their beliefs that they will not consider anything else.
>>526099082No, that's not semantics and that's not what the word semantics means. The view you're trying to argue towards is incoherent. If a tyrant displays poor behavior the problem at hand is that he lacks a sense of justice, not that he's too just. That would be like saying it's "too fair" or "too correct" or "too good" or "too right". It makes no sense. It's a problem because it isn't just, isn't fair, isn't right and isn't good. There's a reason why the entire world of philosophy describes it in the way I'm describing it. There was never a Greek or Roman philosopher who ever said there could be such a thing as "too much justice" or "too much wisdom".
>>526099525You picked a concept which implies balance and then said it cannot be out of balance. In what way does that undermine the value of balance? If anything it affirms it.
>>526099422youre a few years too late to the party pal. This board was great a decade agoEnjoyed your thread, made me ponder at least>t. Oldfag from 2007
>>526099525> Argues about the definition of a word then claims it is not semantics.> Makes absolute claims about the entirety of the world of philosophy.Anon please just stop derailing.
>>526097414imagine amerimutts finding a time machine and going to romebefore seeing all the highest military ranks are germanic, including +20% of societal elite is germanictry learning history before using memes you dont understand.army: germanicsocietal elite: germanicgreco-roman theology: mix of thracianall the guards around the royal families: germanicwhite boy summer
I find the pattern with religious threads on /pol/ is>thread opener>retard reaction>reaction to the retard reaction>everyone arguing about retardation for the remainder of the threadNo matter how the thread begins, by the end it is a Katamari ball of stupid.
>>526099787It doesn't undermine the concept of balance. What I'm saying is that your argument does, because you're defining principles of balance as if they were prone to excess. All of the virtues come from wisdom, and wisdom means knowing how to avoid excess. So there can never be too much of any of the virtues, by definition. This isn't a nitpick, it's fundamental, and literally every single philosopher agrees on this point regardless of their particular school. None of them would ever say that a tyrant executing citizens for sneezing is "too much justice" because that throws the concept of justice as a whole out the window and treats it as something subjective rather than an objective principle.
>>526100105You started the thread derailed, I'm attempting to help you put it back on the rails. If your position contains phrases as ridiculous as "too much justice", "too much wisdom" or "too much good", you need to rephrase it correctly so that it isn't just a laughing stock.> Makes absolute claims about the entirety of the world of philosophyOf course. If that weren't possible then philosophy wouldn't be worth anything. It's an objective field.
>>526100275>he doesn't know
>>526096682meden agan and metron ariston are respectively a Delphic Maxim and a saying of one of the seven sages of presocratic Greece, so it's certainly not an Aristotelian revolutionary idea
>>526101319>metron aristonnot the same as "nothing in deficiency". what you've said is incomplete.
>>526101600the basic concept is the same, the middle is the best, it's not aristotelian as you said in >>526096352 it's very much foundational to Greek thought
>>526100702what are you going to say, that youre a shitalian on your mothers side and hope that you dont show up as a 10% brown, 40% jew ona dna test?this is why i hate mutts, youre either spiccs or a mysterymeat italian jew mutation pretending to roman soldiers
>>526100275now that's one delusional somalianwait till you find out even southern Germany before the actual Germanic migrations was quite more southern than the current inhabitants
>>526100359I would argue that you could have too much beauty. A world where everyone is afraid to put something in the "wrong spot" even temporarily because that is no longer as beautiful. Too little beauty would be something like brutalist architecture. Too little wisdom is also possible. But I will concede that too much wisdom is not. My example was an oversimplification. I suppose my hesitation to admit those exceptions is it puts maximums up for debate. And people will exploit that to argue wages are like wisdom and should not have maximums. Even though it seems clear to me that we should based on the Lockean Proviso.
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>>526097097>Executing someone for spitting on the sidewalk is too much justice.No, it literally isn't. Anyone trashy enough to hawk a loogie on the sidewalk instead of in the gutter doesn't deserve to live
>>526101772the basic concept is about a middle path between excess and deficiency, not seeking moderation by avoiding excess. If you remove deficiency the entire concept changes.
>>526102061>The Talos Mistake>by Leonora Venatus>Imperial Liaison to the Aldmeri Dominion>Propaganda encouraging acceptance of the ban on the worship of Talos>As citizens of the Empire, all are of course familiar with the deeds of Emperor Tiber Septim. But it is the Emperor's ascent to godhood, as Talos, that is the subject of this work.>Until Tiber Septim's death, there had been but Eight Divines: Akatosh, Dibella, Arkay, Zenithar, Stendarr, Mara, Kynareth, and Julianos. These gods were, and are, worshipped throughout the Empire. And while some may have different names in the varying provinces (for example, Akatosh is known as "Auri-El" to the Aldmer; and Arkay is sometimes known as "Ar'Kay"), all are recognized and revered by all races and cultures of Tamriel.>But when Tiber Septim passed to Aetherius, there came to be a Ninth Divine - Talos, also called Ysmir, the "Dragon of the North." The man who was so loved in life became worshipped in death. Indeed, it can be argued that Talos, the Ninth Divine, became even more important than the Eight that had preceded him, at least to humans. For he was a god who was once just a man, and through great deeds actually managed to ascend to godhood. And if one human could achieve such a feat - couldn't it be done again? Couldn't all humans aspire to achieve divinity?>So we thought, we humans. And so we continued to worship Talos, and revere him as the ultimate hero-god. But that was then. This is now. And now, we know the truth:>We were wrong.
>>526102617Your sons are trannies Elon
>>526101915another butthurt shitalian.youre free to come to us and look at all the archaeological findings coming from serving Rome while you put empty carbs from boiled wheat sticks inside your fat jew-hybrid face
>>526103333nice digits but you'll never be a Roman, ignoring genetics won't change it
>>526096741That should be easy to source.
I will concede that not everything is subject to minimums or maximums or both. But there are some things which should be and are not. Here is another example which will be sure to produce retarded replies for your enjoyment:Speech adocating and advancing idealogies which infringe on freeedom is not free speech. Especially when taken to the excess of authoritarian politics. If someone is unironically advocating for Marxism and protesting with a communist flag then they should be charged with a felony and sentenced to a minimum of one year in prison. If someone is unironically advocating for fascism and protesting with a Nazi flag then they should face the same fate.Free speech absolutism is one of the many weaknesses in libertarian thought which does not work in practice. It is time to evolve libertarianism into something that works.
>>526097414Sneed's Feed & Seed (formerly Chuck's). Also, "Bart's Fart & Shart" doesn't make any sense because the store wasn't called "Feed & Sheed" under Sneed's ownership so stop posting it.
>>526096242It is exactly the same as the analogy jesus uses which is a path and a gate. Walk along the path. That's the same idea. Sin literally means 'stray from the path'. You call it the 'balance', he calls it the path. But you calling it a 'balance' has the false suggestion that evil is good if you get a little bit of it, that's not what it means.
>>526103917The US already has reasonable limits to free speech, your limits you're setting out are clearly a vector to ban antisemitism. Fuck off rabbi.
A spectrum is still a dyad you imbecile.
>>526096352The golden pathA HOLY WAR IN MY NAMESUFFER NOT THE WITCH TO LIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9DyybYYC_o
>>526100359>tyrant executing citizens for sneezing is "too much justice" Think of this in the vein of covid precautions
https://youtu.be/yXc0yAzMDKs
>>526104800The devil, eveyone
>>526104258> clearly a vector to ban antisemitismNot if the legislation is written to be limited to politics which advocate the overthrow of the government. Also anti-semitism is not limiting freedom. It is freedom to hate whomever you want.
>>526104866You codify banning radical politics you're going to codify protection of jewish behaviour.
>>526096242>>526096352Aristotle also applied it to skin colour, get a tan ytbois
>>526096242It's all cope created inbetween finding new ways to fuck little boys
>>526104948I suppose this legislation depends on a constitution which enshrines freedom, liberty, and rights. And should account not only for attenpts to overthrow that government but attempts to corrupt it into something unconstitutional with regards to freedom, liberty, and rights.
>>526105415The issue here can't be legislated, there are commies infesting the system that won't enforce the law regarding the removal of explicit, imminent, nay ACTIVE threats of insurrection against the Republic. Most of the mainstream media for example belongs behind bars under existing laws.
