Why isn't China aiding Iran economically rn? Like I understand that China prefers to take a neutral stance in international politics, and that they actually have pretty good relations with the GCC countries and Turkey (as well as Israel to a lesser extent), but surely even they can see the writing on the wall yea? For every American military asset that's in the middle east countering Iran, there's one less in the Pacific ready to strike China in the event of a full blown war. If the islamic republic were to fall, even if China cozied up to the new government and kept them in the belt and road initiative, the lack of an Iranian threat would make it easier for America to refocus its military assets towards Taiwan due to the lack of an immediate adversary in the middle east. I mean it's not even like China has to make a huge commitment or anything either, literally all that needs to be done is delivering them an emergency economic aid package or emergency services in the form of shit they're in desperate need of rn like water conservation tech or whatever, that way Iran could partially restructure its economy without needing to worry as much about sanctions. Just feels like a dumb move on China's part tbqh.
Iran also has to open the door
China and taiwan are going to reunificate peacefully. There's no need for your military schizo babble.
>>526116040You're saying this like Iran hasn't made overtures towards further economic integration with China, what do you want them to do, beg?>>526116177This is a naive pov, the US will not simply allow Taiwan to integrate with China, they've installed dictators into countries that didn't get in line before and there's no reason that wouldb't continue here.
>>526116402Nobody gives a fuck what the US wants. By the time reunification is profitable the US will be a third world country full of shitskins
>>526115881People cashed out on this cowardly faggot being any sort of threat after he failed to attack Taiwan and let Maduro get bodysnatched while his ambassadors watched from the cuck closet.Serves you right for trusting a non-white.
>>526116984Uhuh, and all that military buildup in the Pacific is just gonna disappear? When an empire faces imminent collapse, first thing they usually do is start a war.>>526117118Maduro makes some sense since they don't get a ton of value in propping up his government, but Iran is right nextdoor and a major thorn in the US's strategy in countering China, completely different ballparks.
>>526117118>China needs to attack Taiwan because... because it needs to ok!!!Why tho
>>526117508Same as the German autism to unify German speakers
>>526117745They can just wait and have political unification though. It's inevitable as American power wanes
>>526117118kill yourself.
>>526115881Protests are still going on.
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>>526118385The joke is that the previous owner of the store is called Chuck so if you replace "Sneed" with "Chuck" you get "Chuck's Feed & Seed".
>>526115881No one wants a crazy theocracy to rule in Iran, even China. At least North Koreans don't believe in an afterlife. Religious fanatics who think they will live in paradise for dying in a nuclear war is a recipe for disaster.
they helped to block starlink, that's all it took.
>>526119329>Am I fitting in, my fellow shadilays?
>>526119442I feel like the past two years has proven that the Iranians are far more restrained than we give them credit for. For one they've agreed to peace deals brokered by the US several times now, for two they never attacked Israel directly until Israel attacked them directly, and for three they've held back their proxies like the Houthis and Hezbollah from attacking Israel all at once during any point of the conflict.>>526119491For now, but protests similar to this one are bound to keep cropping up as their economy gets worse and worse, and at that point it'll take more than some jammers to subdue their populous.
>>526119442>Religious fanatics who think they will live in paradise for dying in a nuclear war is a recipe for disaster.Yes, just look at the last 50+ years of your country sending its best to die for Israel
>>526115881China cant solve irans problems and china has never been a country to hand out cash for free. They always do so in the form of predatory loans.
>>526120059They only 'negotiate' for peace when under extreme duress, they were happy to fund terrorist proxies for decades. The lack of damage they've recently done has more to do with their capacity to do so being degraded than a lack of will to do so. >>526120060Religious fanatics are retarded regardless of their religion, besides much of American interest in the middle east comes from oil.
>>526120163Obviously I'm not suggesting to turn Iran into a welfare state, but China pioneers in water management technology, a little aid would go a tremendous distance and would help China's geopolitical position for the forseeable future.>>526120348If Iran truly were suicidal nutcases then they would've directed Hezbollah, the Houthis, and the Iraqis to fire all their missiles and drones at Israel immediately after October 7th in conjunction with their own missiles and drones, they instead let Israel take the initiative time and time again which not only proves how passive they are, it proves what a detriment it has been to them.
>>526120643This recent round of fighting was catalyzed by the attack. Also, it's not black and white between suicidal nutcase and normal person, my point is that the last regime on Earth you'd want to have access to nukes would be religious fanatics who believe in an afterlife and martyrdom. Even if they believe in that, that doesn't mean they won't take some steps to maintain their material life and comfort. Basically it's not a dichotomy between suicidal religious nutcase and normal person, it's a whole gradient and they're way closer to the suicidal religious nutcase part of that gradient for any reasonable person to want them to ever have nukes.
>>526120852Again, I have to disagree. You say them being religious fundementalists makes them more prone to rash actions, and yet they've never actually gone full throttle and developed a nuke for the past 3 decades. North Korea and Pakistan could and did because they believed it necessary to protect their state, Iran 100% could've but purposefully kept their uranium just below the threshold for weapons-grade purely to extract concessions from the west in the form of sanctions relief. That strategy was not necessarily the smartest, but it was also the complete opposite if radical or suicidal as you said, Iran may be led by a theocracy but they also clearly have plenty of normal ass bureaucrats that wish to keep things from escalating to the point of no return same as any other country.
>>526120852>>526120348Iran already has bioweapons, whoch are FAR worse than nukes. Attacking them is complete suicide. Like you said, they believe in martyrdom and islamic radicals are known for that type of shit.Why not just play it safe and leave them alone
>>526121272They have been actively trying to develop nukes for decades, it's only because of foreign interference and lack of assistance in doing so that they have failed. Most countries which got nukes after the US either had foreign aid in the form of technology sharing, or stole nuclear secrets. Yes, I'm sure there are rational people in Iran, but my point is that on the scale of normal to religious fanatic, they are closer to religious fanatic than the vast majority of countries. >>526121427We literally bombed them less than a year ago and nothing happened.
>>526121427Bioweapons are stuff like viruses and insects, do you mean chemical weapons? Iran used to have a load of those, particularly when they fought Iraq.
>>526121770Dude cmon, if Iran really wanted to have nukes they'd have them by now. If North Korea and Pakistan could crack it in a couple years then there's no reason Iran couldn't in 30. Why else do you think they signed the nuclear deal when Obama was prez? They kept the possibility of nukes as a bargaining chip at the cost of reduced sanctions. Regardless, they still have over 60% enriched uranium and could dirty bomb Israel if they were really up against the wall, so I don't see why nuclear weapons in particular are so much more dangerous than that.
>>526122099Not as simple as developing them in a vacuum, both NK and Pakistan had technological help from foreign countries and/or stole nuclear tech. Those countries also didn't have their top scientists getting killed every few years. How many physics phds are there that are smart enough to independently develop nukes? How hard are those roles to fill when the last 10 lead scientists got blown up at 2am by a missile in their apartment? It's apples and oranges.
>>526122303Yeah but this is over the course of 30 years, and North Korea already offered up the schematics to Iran unofficially years ago. Developing nukes isn't the main issue, dealing with the fallout (lol) of having nukes is where the problem lies. Suddenly Iran gets even more internationally isolated in a time where it's already walking a tightrope, then the gulf countries and Turkey suddenly decide they need nukes too, all of a sudden Iran has an arms race it can't afford and for what? MAD with Israel? They already have that via conventional means in the form of dirty bombs and chemical weapons, simply put there's not really been a reason for Iran to fully commit to the nuclear option up until extremely recently where they've kinda been pushed into a wall. It's obvious they don't want to start ww3 and would rather avoid it, so I have no reason to believe that they'd be uniquely irresponsible with nuclear weapons when compared to other countries like NK or Israel in particular.
>>526115881China was too busy meeting with Mickey Mouse
>>526122639Nuclear proliferation in general is bad, most especially with theocracies who are religiously radical. You're overthinking it. No one is saying they would automatically use nukes if they got them, just that they are more likely than secular governments to use them. They heavily used chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq war, which was essentially a holy war between sunnis and shias. I'm not saying they are immune to MAD logic, just that they are less likely to follow it than secular government who don't believe in an aftermath or martyrdom.
>>526122941I dunno, I feel like just reducing Iran to their religion is kinda shortsighted. I mean Pakistan is far more religious of a country and they've had several "holy wars" with India while refraining from using nukes. Not to mention how Iraq was first to use chemical weapons in that war and were secular back then, so realpolitik is far more apparant here than reducing everything to idpol afaik. Either way I've gotta go work out, been fun talking with you anon.
>>526115881They probably will aid Iran economically, but that's not really that urgent right now. Iran's economic issues aren't going to cause the regime to collapse very soon. China's going to take their time and they're going to give Iran a deal with a lot of strings attached, and to be honest those strings will probably be for the better for Iran, since most of those strings will be there to ensure that Iran remains a stable investment in the long term. China's leadership may not be great, but they're a lot better with economics than Iran's clerical regime who are more interested in theology.>>526123581Iran honestly seems to be a country with surprisingly sane leadership in spite of them being a theocracy. I generally disregard any idea that they are primarily driven by their religion, or if they are, they must focus on aspects of their religion which aren't the blow yourself up bits.
