What are the promises of the White ethnostate? An end to crime, war, poverty, class and social hierarchy? None of those things end in the White ethnostate. Nor do any of those things end in the White world. It seems like the only thing that is really promised is temporary relief from the working class having to deal with Blacks and Browns (who someone among us has to interact with at some point or another - empire building and colonization). But that's about it. Sure, if a White ethnostate was achieved, there would be a temporary lull, a recess in fighting, but then neighbors would grow jealous of what the other guy has, how hot the other guy's wife is, and we're back to square one. Just now, everyone is White.

Member "based" medieval times? You had to carry a dagger and travel in caravans when traveling from town to town, because there were bandits who would rob you.

Maybe I'm missing something. Please enlighten me as to what it is.

>>526128323
They will just blame jews, whites have no agency to chuds

>>526128323
People don't mind as much being oppressed by a person(s) of the same color.
They tend to get upset if their overseers have a different skin color as them.
See:"African Americans", adalusian Spain, and the fall of the Roman empire.

>>526128334
>An end to crime
Yes
>war
No, war is based.
>poverty
Yes
>class and social hierarchy
No. But the lower classes will be respected.
>Member "based" medieval times? You had to carry a dagger and travel in caravans
Trvke. But the reason whites are less violent is because our feudal system hunted these retards down and cleansed the gene pool.

>>526128323
This depends entirely on whether race is real. Which seems obvious given selective pressures in history (10k years of living in a society vs 10k years of living like animals in the woods.)

Also the assumption is that ethno states have no choice but to dispense welfare to poor people of the same color vs now when everyone thinks browns get a majority of the handouts.
Envy jealousy and "keeping up with the jonses" will always be a thing because human nature seems to be intrinsically entwined to this notion of private property.
Presumably because mode mammalian omnivore/carnivore species tend to be territorial.

>>526128559
You are a Fed

Crime will not end.
War will not end
Poverty will not end (serfs are impoverished, and this would be the majority, or at least 50% of the population. Think 1984 with majority of people doing menial office jobs, crunching numbers or the future technological "utopia" equivalent).
>Lower classes respected
Who in the entire world doesn't feel bad when they use a computer or phone they know was made with slavery?
>>526128600
Idk what this means

>>526128677
What are the promises of the White ethnostate? What problems does it purport to solve?

>>526128776
...And most people go out of their way, if they're able, to buy more responsibly-produced products. Well, maybe not most people, but a significant amount who can afford it.

>>526128883
Mainly it's about the maintaining, preservation and continuation of "culture". Its literally about beliefs.
Which includes wars and conflicts that you talk about and all the folk scum doing skullduggery and having bards write songs about it.

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>>526128323
yeah bro all those videos of 1950s London being completely White and almost crime-free are just le AI bro

Am I allowed to leave the ethnostate sometimes

>>526129471
Postcard fantasy
Postwar golden age lull
Infighting and competition to be top dog will continue soon after
>Almost crime-free
This remains to be seen. Let's do a real thorough analysis of ethnostates in history and see whether they really didn't have crime, a.k.a., people lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering, in order to get a higher spot on the food chain.

Why don't you respond to any of the criticisms I made, instead of leaving a single sentence and image that doesn't address any of the issues I raised

>>526129471
The English and other white coded mafias are so shit now getting absolutely mogged by Mexican cartels and nigger gangs

True the whites would compete against one and other but at least I would never see another nigger again

>>526129676
>>526129731
remigration for niggers
death for traitors

>>526129322
There is little to no similarity in culture between social classes. Farmers have a certain culture based on their profession. They have songs about sowing seeds, milking the cows, and going to the tavern. Middle or upper classes have little to no appreciation of this, it's impossible unless you live it...

It seems like it promises little more than the preservation of language and religion...

Crime is not solved
War is not solved
Hierarchy and class is not solved
Mr. Big Bucks will fuck your girl and gloat in your face about it.

I was told these things would be solved.

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>>526128323
>Muh wypepo evil racist
>Gibs money
Lol, LMAO even.

>>526129965
Fashion is the only thing that tends to "trickle down"
The rich and famous establish fashion trends to eventually be adopted by the leity.
The rich fags patron the cultural arts and establish cultural landmarks.
Richfag built the Notre Dame so that the poorfags can bow in benediction.

>>526129912
I can see your godly Aryan IQ is in overdrive. Please, slow down so the rest of us can keep up.

Currently, you get to sit around and work in an office, as a White man, if you so choose. The browns in India make your clothing. The browns in Mexico grow the food. The yellows in China assemble the computers. You do not work in a factory, and it's only the lower classes who do, and the screw-up Whites of society.

Give me something here, Jew man.

>>526130208
lilbro is so heated lmao

>>526129747
>Redneck White trash calls you a dandy faggot college boy
>Attacks you if you go to his bar and start lusting after the poor White girls of his town
>White gangs form and attack upper class and become criminals, stir up shit and invent wrongs that the upper classes do, in order to rile up their members - in order to get a better seat for themselves in society.
What is the difference between poor Whites and poor browns, exactly?

>>526129747
It would be cutthroat competition, just as it is today. Not just competition. Domination. Humiliation of losers. Chad jocks spitting and pissing on weak nerds. Just like always.

What

Are

The

Problems

The

White

Ethnostate

Says

It

Will

Solve

>>526129991
This is really all it comes down to. OP can cope and seethe and try to debate about medieval life but the fact is the majority of these people are a BURDEN, and we would be freed from that burden if they left.

>>526130462
dont look up orania you gay little faggot cunt

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>>526130462
>Saars, do not redeem
Lol, LMAO even

>>526130378
>>526130462
There would be less gangs, less crime, less racial dissidence (obviously) and a more orderly society. We know this. You know this. Everyone knows this. That’s why brown people have fled from their own people to live as outsiders amongst us for generations. You are MASSIVELY coping.

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>>526130462

>>526130462
The one with blacks and browns making life worse for whites. Just because it wouldn't fix everything doesn't mean it wouldn't be an improvement.

>>526130378
>Head bobbling intensifies
>Us Indians true Aryans we steal your woman's
>Saars, why hate Indians
>Shovels cow dung down gullet
>Dies of dysentery
Lol, LMAO even

>>526129991
>Blacks start to organize and not be degenerate
>CIA comes in and gives them crack
>Jews sign record deals for gangster rap to spread degeneracy
Later...
>Cops plant drug evidence on Blacks
>Blacks imprisoned for minor drug possession offences
>Imprison them and force them to work (modern slavery)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFctB0Rwet4
>Whites aggressively con Blacks into being degenerate
>Smoke the drugs that they deal

>>526130462
Crime , war, and heurarchy is unavoidable.
Even in communist socialist elgalitarian states.
And even then those states still make appeals to ethnicity every now and then.
Ethnistates preserve culture and cultural practices, even the farmer has a different culture in England compared to Ethiopia

>>526130665
>Saars, do not redeem
>Eats cow dung
>Indians real niggas
Lol, you are a shit eating jeet

>>526130586
In an ethnistates any countryman could join a gang.
Whites can't join crypts and bloods in any full capacity. Just like a mick could only go so far in the Italian Mafia.

>>526130591
Do I type like a brown? I'm not. Also, this is the fallacy of ad hominem, in case you weren't aware, brown man.

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I don't know why white supremacists don't care about the climate more. Wouldn't the earth being cold lead to a bigger white population? Like realistically we're turning the human population more brown by making the climate too hot for white people and more suitable for browns since we're kind of a cold climate race. Instead we just keep making the earth hotter bit by bit and deny that its happening. White supremacists just don't make any sense.

>>526130665
>uhhhh it was purely social factors you see
Meanwhile 60 years later and it has not abated, even the highest-income African neighborhoods commit crime at a rate higher than the lowest white families. Your bullshit isn’t true, it has never been true, it will never be true. You have the past 15 years of trying your way, it failed miserably. When will you bleeding heart morons open your fucking eyes for one in your life?

>>526130138
Rich ape the poor in fashion too since the poor have to get creative. Pre ripped designer jeans just as an example. There's notning soulful or creative about the people you idolize

>>526130819
COULD does not mean WOULD. White families have lower incidences of crime, drug use, and higher incidences of stable social life. I don’t even particularly care about an ethnostate but you are completely fucking retarded if you don’t think it would necessarily be more stable in an advanced society. Do you people ever think for five seconds about anything that goes through your heads?

>>526130823
>Saars, I'm white
>Head bobbling intensifies
Lol, LMAO even

>>526130841
because that is liberal wrongthink and if we dont oppose it completely then we are gay and stupid

>>526130894
Whites are just better at not getting caught since law enforcement has been a cultural practice longer

Agreed. But only if it's middle class only

>>526130990
Fun fact
Did you know it was some white noble had to convince his people to eat potatoes?

>>526130586
>There would be less gangs, less crime, less racial dissidence (obviously) and a more orderly society. We know this. You know this. Everyone knows this.
In the short term. >Massive, radical change in society is done by elites. >Some social problems are solved. >People rejoice, and work together and cooperate. >People get comfortable, bored. >People start competing again. >Winners and losers. >People start cheating, lying, and murdering again.

Short term gains, long term same. Long term is even potentially worse, considering how, as I said in the OP: >Majority of Whites break their back and risk their neck in wars against other ethnostates >Minority sit around, eating gourmet food, being artists or inventors, don't go to war unless the wall falls and the country is invaded

Let's not forget: >White world exists >Elites of White state A and White state B conspire to start an unnecessary war to keep peasants of both states fighting against each other, so they don't start looking to get a bigger piece of the pie from the upper classes.

I want source citations and examples from history of ethnostates that had lower crime. Include black and brown ethnostates.

And let's not forget that remigration, as the British Jew here is recommending, is not the end goal. The end goal is Total White Victory, which means either killing all non-Whites, or castrating and enslaving them (an ugly business that someone among us will have to do), and bleaching their women and children out of existence until everyone in the world is White. And once that occurs, none of the social problems that exist will be solved, due to the inevitability of the food chain. Haves and have-nots. Pleasure, and the threat of death.

Brown people are ugly, they smell like shit, and they are stupid. I dont want them near me.

/thread.

>>526131014
If everyone belonged to the same criminal organization. Who would they commit crimes on?

>>526131210
why havent you put in the effort to find out about orania yet kike? you can dodge the question but you wont dodge the zyklon

>>526131200
What were they doing with them? And which white European kingdom had nigger serfs?

>>526128323
/pol/ hasn't been a pro-white board since 2016

>>526130620
Your computer, phone, clothing, many of your products and appliances, some sizeable portion of your food, all the ore used to smelt the metal in every metal object in your house, were made in some large part by non-White labor. You say life would be better, but it seems like >Majority of Whites break their backs and risk their necks every day

>B-b-b-ut... We'd have to only work 20 hours per week and everything would be rainbows and sunshine!

Wrong. Ethnostate B works 30 hours per week and dominates you. Ethnostate C, the average peasant works 15 hours per day and dominates both.

Really, it seems like the answer, from a political or social perspective, is to just move up the food chain from where you currently are. Which is entirely possible today. Especially for Whites in the 1st world. Books cost $1 or are even free, but so many Whites, all over the world, choose to or are conned into watch the soap opera and never trying to improve their lot in life.

The higher up the pyramid you get, the less space there is. Doesn't matter how White or brown it is. When you're at the bottom of the pyramid, it sucks. Plain and simple.

>>526131501
another dog shit post refuted by one word: orania

>>526130662
Dysentery? What about the fuckin' jewelly Jaguars?

>>526128323
who's doing this shitty raid?

>>526131338
They didn't want to eat them because potatoes are nightshades.
The noble ended up planting a garden of potatoes and stationed armed guards around it to establish its value.
Predicably the peasants stole the potatoes like Prometheus stealing fire from the gods.

>>526131724
Sukjeet Singh

>>526128377
>they'll just explain the reality of what's going on and I'll ignore it

Yeah we know you will

>>526128323
>>526128334
>>526128883
>>526129965
>>526129965

Seething jew wants others to think they're the same as them

>>526131784
Never mind that the potato came from the new world.

>>526130894
>Blacks imprisoned more for the same offenses as Whites
>Black areas policed more than White areas
>Blacks stopped more than Whites over minor offenses
>Poverty causes crime to increase
>General rage at being whipped and treated like dirt for 400 years causes some amount of retaliation, which is surely understandable, even if not condoneable.

I'm pretty sure this is well-documented.

>what are some reasons for the discrepancies in crime in america between blacks and whites, considering that blacks are overrepresented in crime, despite being a smaller percentage of the population? it's the old "per capita" problem

AI:

>

Bias in Policing: Studies have shown that black individuals are more likely to be stopped, searched, and arrested by police, which can contribute to higher reported crime rates.
Sentencing Disparities: Black individuals often receive harsher sentences for the same crimes compared to white individuals, which can lead to overrepresentation in the criminal justice system.
>Victim Reporting: Victims of crime may be more likely to report incidents involving black perpetrators, leading to higher reported crime rates for black individuals.
>
War on Drugs: The "War on Drugs" has disproportionately affected black communities, leading to higher rates of arrest and incarceration for drug-related offenses.

This is all talked about from the NAACP's site iirc.

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>>526130823

Man I really need to stop checking back in on 4tards. Really goes to show all the wise oldheads and NatSocs left after 2016 to 2020.

The point of a white ethnostate is to protect and preserve both white genetic capital, i.e our genes by protecting our demographic composition through eugenics (soft or hard), immigration control, and a pro-white culture, as well as championing western Europe-descendant culture that uniquely originates from our racial stock and has produced modern wonders of medicine, technology, reason, science, etc.

Of course it woudn't be a utopia with no problems.
Nobody has ever stated that, but your AIDs-riddled kike brain made it up. We would simply not have non-white problems; and the situation would be vastly improved.

You're a faggot nigger kike retard lover of palestinian cock and you're lucky you contend with the retarded bot-riddled shills that exist nowadays becasue back in the good old days OP would be assraped within the first post.

>>526128334
>Maybe I'm missing something. Please enlighten me as to what it is.
A white ethnostate is not a means to an end. It is the end. It wouldn't make a difference to me if niggers were polite, civilized, intelligent, and never committed crimes. It wouldn't make a difference if whites were all low IQ rude violent criminal thugs. I want a white ethnostate becuase I want to live among whites, and want to keep the non-whites out. This is not just one step to some esoteric master plan. This is the entire plan: Live in a white ethnostate. The end.

>>526131274
Do you think all criminal organizations are dictated solely by race?

>>526131994
>Saars, niggers are not violent criminals
Lol, LMAO even

>>526128323
Your fundamental mistake was confusing white people with JEWISH PEOPLE.

Thread's over.

>>526131784
If the rich tell you something is valuable you can bet that it isn't. Definitely dont eat anything they suggest. Not a fan of potatoes

>>526131210
People will always cheat, lie, and murder. White people cheat, lie, and murder less. I am not going to do your job for you, go ahead and Google crime rates through the centuries and compare them to “ethnostates” (which are really just all countries prior to the invention of modern transportation) and be awed learning what everyone with two fucking eyeballs and triple-digit IQ knows intimately by the time they are a grown adult. You people are completely insane, you’ve had over a decade completely decimating previously orderly societies with your multicult nonsense and still you argue with reality while the house burns down around you.

>>526131724
It is undoubtedly some highschooler or someone completely new to the site. They’re inured to their ideology but not yet advanced to the point they make solely moronic leftist shitposts, so they must be younger.

>>526132312
I dont trust you just by virtue of being white. You sound like an angry petty tyrant and I dont owe you shit

>>526132141
No. Only the best ones.

>>526132309
How about tomatoes? Same thing.

>>526131994
Blacks are more likely to be stopped and investigated because they commit more crimes. This is reflected in all societies across the planet. You are using talking points from 2008, this has not been relevant in years. Learn how to argue for yourself, AI is not going to save you here.

>>526132482
Not really a fan of those either. But if rich people are selling you something its not for your benefit.

>>526132426
I don’t care if you trust me. Nothing about what I said was remotely tyrannical. You can deny reality all you like but when you come face to face with it your fantasy will be laid bare. Liberals before you thought they knew better, liberals that come after will too.

>>526128323
>>*White world*: *exists*
>>White countries war, enslave, rape, torture, and spy on each other to be top dog
>>During times of "peace," Whites compete with each other, cutthroat competition, to be top dog within their country, social sphere, or artistic circle
>>Lying, cheating, stealing, murder, crime all still at similar levels to what exists today, because losers usually resort to cheating in order to get even for a perceived injustice
Iron sharpens iron

>>526131278
I have heard of it. As I have said, short term gains, long term same.>>526131210
>In the short term. >Massive, radical change in society is done by elites. >Some social problems are solved. >People rejoice, and work together and cooperate. >People get comfortable, bored. >People start competing again. >Winners and losers. >People start cheating, lying, and murdering again.
Orania is the current crown jewel of le heckin based Whites. They stand out, and they think they're hot shiet. So there's a temporary lull, congratulations. But hierarchy, war, and social ills are inevitable, the longer the timeline increases.

The only promise of the ethnostate is short-term relief for the working class from dealing with browns and blacks. But we have to deal with browns and blacks, like it or not. Some has to. Because if we don't, then China, Japan, India, or any other White state will. They will have more territory, slaves, and take us over.

What if bringing more browns and blacks here is simply a move to get collateral, in the even that blacks and browns of our colonies decide to rise up against us? Idk what's going on at the top of the pyramid. Currently, we all live in the 1st world, and benefit from the labor of the 2nd and 3rd, the majority of whose people are brown, black, and yellow. Some poor White countries obviously, but that doesn't seem to be the majority, at least in the US here.

A very small number of people in White countries actually have to do much agriculture, clothing production, and house building. We have machines doing most of that already. So everyone in our countries has the opportunity to become educated, or wealthy, but people voluntarily choose to watch the soap opera or sportsball instead of reading shiet or even watching a YT video. Where these con games come from, partially is evil conspiring Jews in the media, partially bluepilled normie Jews who are simply comedians and court jesters who don't know any better.

>>526132538
You could say that about a poorfag.
A poorfag would probably be more likely to rip you off.

>>526132643
Nothing you said suggests anything would be different in an ethnostate. There will still be greedy fucks looking to be the boot. And again I dont owe you shit because you're white so stop asking

>>526131724
I've been here for years, raised these criticisms numerous times, and still haven't heard a real refutation.

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>>526132102
Well put, nobody is saying it's going to create a utopia, it's just going to re-establish the natural state of living that 99% of the world lived in forever, which would be better than the current hellscape. Humans are meant to be among their own people. Have you genuinely never been in a crowd of people like yourself and felt comforted?

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>>526131955
You're a Jew, actually. I know this because rather than respond to my arguments you call me a Jew.

>>526132754
Same frequency. Rich people just do it legally. I dont trust most people. The US is a crab bucket regardless of racial demographics its our culture