manufacturers forced to remotely disable it to prevent car owners getting a huge fine from the german government https://autos.yahoo.com/policy-and-environment/articles/germany-forces-lexus-remotely-kill-173212814.html
>no citations>russian propagandayep, it's cringe ragebait time
>>526137969This is when anyone offers me to buy a brand new car, I tell them to shut the fuck up.
>>526137969>remotely disableHolly Cucked.Fuck smart cars
>>526137969>to prevent car owners getting a huge fine from the german governmentI don't get it.
>>526137969>owning a car that connects to the internet>owning a car with a computer in it at allCarbureted, in my lane, flourishing.
>>526137969>he bought toyotakek,never trust the japs
>>526138089every car after 1945 has a computer inside you fucking imbecile
op is a faggot
>>526138070in many euro countries it's forbidden to turn on your motor whilst the vehicle is standing, so turning on your car to let it heat up whilst you scrape off the ice and snow is illegal
>>526137969>buying a car that requires an internet connectionThat's what you get.
>>526138089How do you even go about shopping for a carbureted car these days that isn’t clapped the fuck out or 300k miles
its remarkable how every few yrs since the late 2000s has seen the auto industry get leaps and bounds more retarded and humiliating
>>526137969>tfw you still drive a good ole shitbox from 2016ahahahahahahahaha, geeeeeeeet FUCKED germcucks
>>526138256>2016not old enough to be bullshit free
>>526138256If you want a newer car and live in EU. Import from USA.9/10 times EU manufacturers won't be able to connect to it due to different hardware.
>>526138038>yahoo, bild, Ralph Muller, some toyota dudeIs this flag Russian satire? Half of its posters always shitpost the dumbest crap about Russians and Putler
What is stopping them from getting in the car, turning on engine then having it idle as they scrape ice? Some cop will come write them a ticket? KekIsnt it good for the engine to warm up for a bit at low rpms when it’s so cold outside? It also warms the cabin. It’s something that should be done anyway.
>>526138185>pre-heating your engine>available via a fucking APP on your phone>now remotely disabled because muh environmentWe've reached levels of technological dystopia never before thought possible.
>>526137969So they are only renting the use of the car for it's full purchase price?
>>526138190>just fuck up everyone's engines in the cold thus reducing vehicle lifespan and requiring more frequent car purchases which leads to massive CO2 emissions in the manufacturing process to protect the planet from a little bit of vehicle idling
>>526138190What happens if you don't pay?
>>526138170That's nowhere close to true. 1985 ish is when GM was converting their trucks to throttle body fuel injection. Ford was putting IDI diesels (no computer) in their f-series trucks until 1993 iirc.I would have assumed poland would know better.
>>526138038>Reverse pooland is as buckbroken and retarded as the original activates almonds
>>526138541you wouldn't say it to my face lil broyou are dense pidor lil bro
>>526138387We dont do that in Germany!!
Why not just pour a hot kettle over your windshield?
>>526137969Huh, fine for what? Gosh, the weimar 2.0 gov. is corrupt and stupid as fuck. From the same retards that thought changing nuclear to wind power was a good idea.Kek.
Capitalism. >inb4 real capitalism hasn’t been tried yet!
>>526137969Why do they live like that?
>>526138714This would be government regulation. Not capitalism.
>>5261383342000 to 2010 is the best date range for cars. You get the benefit of good efficiency and handling without needless computerization on unnecessary garbage like dash screens and external sensors.
>>526138740They probably live near the Alps. I envy them.
>>526137969Jewish golems on suicide watch
So I actually looked into the story, and this is just for remote engine startup, so preheating the vehicle remotely, you know, with your car remote, so this doesn't stop you from actually getting inside your car, turning on the engine, and letting it warm up while you shovel ice out of your car. I'm going to go ahead and quote directly from the article itself so you can see what it is that's being considered problematic.>Toyota spokesman Ralph Müller confirmed the parking pre-heating feature—previously free via MyToyota or Lexus Link Plus apps—is now deactivated on combustion-engine vehicles across Germany. The reason? Legislators consider remote engine warm-up “unnecessary running” that creates “avoidable exhaust pollution,” with Toyota disabling the function “to protect the vehicle user from fines.”In other words, this is largely a nothingburger. If anything, the car manufacturer is actually being really nice by doing this for owners so they don't get slapped with stupidly huge fines for this shit. Of course, there is the concern that, oh my goodness, how the hell can car manufacturers just shut off basic features of my fucking car? That is something to be concerned about, and it also is a little bit concerning that the government can fine you for using a feature of your fucking car like this. So there is something to be said about very, very short-sighted government legislation. But anybody acting like this is the end of the world is really freaking out over much ado about nothing.
>>526138752Mid to late 2000s saw full on computerization of vehicles with things like onstar, its also when screens in cars were first appearing though it was largely gimmicky. The early 2000s was really the last great period for cars, evident in that stuff from then still runs beautifully and was definitely the last time cars looked good and didn't ruin the aesthetic of everything around them by being unbelievably hideous. They had computers too but not to the point you couldn't see the ground when you'd pop the hood.
>>526138853But wouldn't any remote engine startup be "unnecessary running" why dont the EU fascists just make that feature illegal ?
>>526138185Oh, so specifically whats been disabled is just the ability to turn the car on remotely with a phone app? Not what I first heard, will have to correct some people
Oh my science, you chuds underestimate the dangers of car farts.Do better, sweaties.
>>526139221Presumably because heating burns more gas or causes more emissions or something. I dunno. I'm not a Eurocuck.
>>526137969Minus fifty points from Germanistan.
>>526137969Mechanic here, idling your car barely even warms it up anyways. It makes literally no sense to idle your engine for 10minutes in the cold and all you get is higher wear on your engine.
>>526137969Imagine ”owning” a modern cuck car XD
>>526137969>heating remotely disabled because it's le bad for environmentlol, you vill own nothing und you vill be happyyou vill comply und it will get worse.
>>526139515You're supposed to be warming the engine block before driving.
>>526137969>Why don't you have cars without heat like how we do in GERMANY
>>526139515not every car is a heat dense bmw that takes an hour at idle to even register on the thermostat, hansyou should heat up older chevy small blocks so they don't get piston slap
>>526139515Yes it does. It brings my engine temp from 0% to 10-15% over the course of 5 minutes, and gives it a bit of time to get the heat blowing in the car so the interior windows don't fog up from your breathing.
>>526137969Another good point to a list of why nuking Brusel would be a good thing.America should really start thinking about nuking Brusel. They need to test if their Nukes are working anyways.
>>526139694Yeah only someone who doesn't drive or lives somewhere that never gets cold doesn't understand literally needing to let the car warm up just so you'll even be able to see out the window
Thousands of billionaires and elites are flying in their private jets everyday 24/7but you plebeians aren't allowed to heat up your cars because it's bad for the environment funny isn't it?
>>526139624No you're not. You're just expanding the time to reach working temperature and let you engine run longer in a suboptimal state.>>526139661>older chevy>piston slapJust sounds like poor engineering anon.>>526139694No just try putting a load in on your engine in the first 5 minutes. You'll probably reach 50-60° in it.
>>526138612I do. Every day.
>>526139902>Just sounds like poor engineering anon.it was, but we love short skirts over here
>>526139515Physicist here to remind you that you cannot violate the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.Every drop of gasoline burned becomes heat.If what you say is true, then the car is burning negligible amounts of gasoline anyways, no need for the Government to regulate it.
>>526138541See>>526138185And so are you
>>526139694He's talking out of his ass. Even my tiny 1.5l shitbox gets noticeably warmer after 5 to 7min of idling during recent below freezing temps.
>>526139862Wait, dont you have auxiliary heating? I have a standheizung and a quick 10minute warm up heats up the cabin to cozy temperatures.Its way more efficient than the engine anyways and should be your first choice if you live in cold climates.
>>526139902I cant drive because Im frozen.I cant tutn the car on to defrost it....Wait for spring. Is thay my only option?
>>526138038No, makes perfect sense. Letting your car idle while for example heating it up and scraping the windshield is in fact illegal and would result in a fine. So it would make sense that a feature that would let you do something like that would have to be disabled.
>>526138387>Some cop will come write them a ticket?Of course they would. It's not like there's an entire population of rapists and murders that would rape and murder the cop that tries to police them, right? So they really have nothing better to do with their time than write that ticket. Police really are that petty.
>>526139902>You're just expanding the time to reach working temperature and let you engine run longer in a suboptimal state.The only thing you're advocating for is a high idle to warm the engine faster.
>>526139902Before putting any load on the engine you need to give the oil time to warm up and reduce its viscosity to form proper fluid film on the metal or you'll put major wear on the moving parts. Also like other anons said, you also need heat off the motor for defogging the inside.
>>526138492The engine gets fucked up by letting it idle for a prolonged time because it doesn't heat up fast enough that way and prolongs the "cold run" phase. Anybody who knows a little bit about cars is aware of that.
>>526138089This bong knows whats up
>>526138853This is the same rationale that lead to homosexuals getting married and irrecoverably nuking the basic foundations of the family structure as a result and opening the doors to castrating children.The slippery slope is real and if you don't go in hard against even seeminly innocuous shit like this, it will creep like a virus
>>526138170Are you a midwit? Define computer
>>526138853You sound vaccinated
>>526137969> control your car's heater but not your nation's borders
>>526138208Volvo 240’s from around 86 or older
Im gonna fart so much co2 to spite them. Regulate my ass
>>526138170>every car after 1945 has a computer inside you fucking imbecileYou've just made it abundantly clear you are a pollock and not a poltard
>>526138190And here I was thinking we had the most retarded vehicle related laws but captain eurofag somehow manages to top us..
>>526140139The more load you put on the engine in the cold phase increases the contact forces and speed of all moving parts which is where damage comes from. That's why you just let it idle at low RPM even if it takes longer and why the people that do this still have a working car 30 years later as opposed to vehicles left in the hands of women and retards that have cylinder scoring, blown head gasket, and broken everything else after 10 years.
>>526138208>How do you even go about shopping for a carbureted car these daysThey can't mess with any car that was built about 2015 without physically touching it. After that it depends on the manufacturer.
>>526140368What's worse - is that German anon claims to be a mechanic?
>>526138222>I can see for miles with these fancy LED headlights, so safe!Regulate every tiny aspect of motor vehicles but somehow these gorillion lumen eye blinders are all good.
>>526140330In most euro countries its forbidden to even turn on the engine, we use horses attached to cars these days. Because of the climate flu
I hope EU forces car cucks to pay more, way more.Why? Easy money and I am not affected.t.old NEET on welfare gibs
>>526137969> This is when anyone offers me to buy a brand new car, I tell them to shut the fuck up.Same. I’m driving quality 2005 and 2016 cars. Paid in cash and well maintained.
>>526140675Fix the gas pipeline to russia lazy ass. We want cheap gas
Even if it is illegal, just do it anyway. There is no cop on every corner
>>526140634Don't say that . . .the Americans will believe you, they are so gullible.
>>526140634hopefully you're using the state-mandated low-methane feed for your horse. also, do you have your horse license?
>>526140675Without the people with their cars you wouldn't have your neetbux faggot. You should lick the working people's ass and shaft in your every waking moment.
>>526138387Your neighbors will snitch on you and then the cops will come, yes.
>>526137969Why buy this in the first place? It seems insane to me to integrate motor-vehicles with remote access and algorithms which can throttle you or end your life any-time they chose, or error.>cuck-mobileThis.
>>526140675>I hope EU forces car cucks to pay more, way more.This, ladies and gentlemen, is what not being american does to you. The guy is so unbelievably cucked and pozzed that he doesn't even realize.Guys like him are why Deustchland is ruled by Greens, invaded by Arab Bvlls who date all the Fräuleins and why they sent 18 soldiers to Greenland instead of to Ukraine.
>>526140551>somehow these gorillion lumen eye blinders are all goodIts probably deliberate, LEDs have been getting pushed real aggressively despite the negative effects of blue light on not just humans but wildlife as well being a known thing at this point. Not to mention the refresh rate your eyes cant see but your brain still registers, migraine fuel if youre prone to them.They want to fuck up our eyesight
>>526140815I cant get a loicense because i didnt take the flurona killshot, i will have to be up to date on the boosters before i can have any form of transport
>>526138190lol carcuvks on suicide watch absolute insanity roflmao!
>>526140690The problem with this mindset is that in 10 years 2025 cars will be “old cars”What will you drive then? And in 2045?
>>526140979oh shit, running hot in the EU? fucking nuts, bro.
>>526140634>implying the jews will let us have horses
>>526138185everyone learns about avoiding unnecessary exhaust plumes in drivers school when doing Führerschein over here ... its nothing new.
>>526140997Ideally one wants to live somewhere where a car isn't a necessity in the first place, if you have one at all it should be mid 2000s at NEWEST. Keep the fucker running long as you can, cars are only going to get shittier. People have been using them disposably for decades but since the late 2000s theyve been built disposably.
>>526140942Why don't you annex Ukraine instead of Greenland if you love it so much?
>>526137969Everybody who drives this shit lexus deserve that
>>526140115> Also like other anons said, you also need heat off the motor for defogging the inside.No you don't. Does your car not have a heating?
>>526138190>>526138492its no problem to start the engine when you arrive at your car and clean the ice manually while the car is heating, the issue is this remote feature starting the engine several minutes / hours before they even arrive at their car, they use the heating for hours to melt the snow, its completely retarded but thats also no surprise because retarded combustion scootets with no filtering are allowed too or exemptions for airports to remove particulate filters because they have such high emission allowances
>>526140852Seething You are not a SpaniardToo much of a wagecuck
>>526139370I hate to be that faggot but I can see how it's potentially dangerous if you start it inside your garage and then forget about it.
>>526141120And then they will pass regulations taxing the shit out of old cars or banning them all together.
>>526140960ikr. Modern screens have a night mode to relieve stress on the eyes if viewed in low light conditions. But somehow every street light/headlight is emitting these eye-fuck colors at full blast.Technology!
>>526138387nobody will give you a ticket this way but the people that use the "feature" melt the ice completely using the heater
>>526141218The heat for the cabin air primarily comes off the radiator loop through a heater core which needs the engine to be hot to deliver heat. Electric heating is rare in ICE vehicles.
>>526137969>parking pre-heating feature—previously free via MyToyota or Lexus Link Plus apps—is now deactivated on combustion-engine vehicles across Germany. wtf sisters your told me that only electric cars could be remote controlled!!???!?
>>526141304all by design!
>>526141207Because Ukraine is already safe from russia and china. For 3 years we gave ukraine all the weapons they needed to ward off Russia at no cost. Russia is spent and bankrupt; couldn't do it. Its currently winter and the front is essentially at a standstill. Greenland on the otherhand can't be trusted to Denmark or the EU. You guys could at any moment just hand it over to china which is unacceptable. Its safer with us.
>>526138190So how is that the manufacturers problem? You know, the fact that they need to heat their cars means they're not the ones who need to give a fuck about global warming. Fucking Jews
>>526138185Any automatic car can have a remote starter installed
>>526141298Resist to the bitter end of yourself no matter how aggressive the coercion or attacks>>526141304>Technological progress in the 2020s consits of needing to wear goggles when going out for night walksis there a better term for this shit besides anarcho-tyranny?
>>526139515fuck you
>>526140942>This, ladies and gentlemen, is what not being american does to youYou are absolutely not immune to the anarcho-tyrannical march of the unending ruination of everything
Source: BildLmao, fuck off
>>526138038you are nigger jew with hiv
>>526140139is that what you tell your customers in that grift shop you work at ?
>>526140084
>>526140139see>>526141582
>>526140997At a certain point you start rebuilding your own motors.Not sure we're there yet.
>>526141120>Ideally one wants to live somewhere where a car isn't a necessity in the first placeYou need a car everywhere. I am not taking three times as long to go anywhere, standing in the cold and rain waiting for hours, then standing in crowded dirty buses that are too hot. Oh and of course if have to carry anything bigger than a toaster you are fucked. Fuck the commies and car free walkable city bullshit>if you have one at all it should be mid 2000s at NEWEST. Keep the fucker running long as you can, cars are only going to get shittier. People have been using them disposably for decades but since the late 2000s theyve been built disposably.I don’t know how it is Canada, I am assuming you get american cars? For you a 2000s beater is a 5 liter V8 truck the size of a house. In europe that is a tiny opel diesel shitbox with 60hp. And I never trust these “oh it will run forever” posters, every time I meet someone like that irl their car is a piece of shit where the handbreak doesn’t work, the engine overheats if you go over 100km/h and only passes inspection because they know a guy (absolutely miserable but still better than not having a car)
>>526140139you're just talking out of your ass. Idling the vehicle for 10-15 minutes before driving to bring it closer to operating temperature causes much less wear to the engine than just starting to drive it right away. less RPMs = less wear, especially when the vehicle is not yet in ideal operating conditions. The true best option is to have some external way to heat the engine BEFORE starting it, either parking it in a heated garage, or using a block heater, but if those are not options for someone, than idling is the next best choice.
>>526141582we've gone from memes of just a good looking guy stating your point, to memes of just a fantasy of punching people you don't like, jfl at the absolute state of chuds.i miss when politically incorrect people were supposed to be smarter than normies and were the side with the logic and arguments, its all enshittened now.
>>526141659Unironically 1994 lancer 1.6s always work. Old cars will go forever
>>526140997technically, anyone can make a car for much cheaper than we're used to, we don't need the big car brands, there could be indie ones, so to speak, and those could cater to people who like some features of old cars. only government regulations are in the way.
>>526140139Lmao literally the opposite. You want to warm up the engine first>>526141582 Wrong color on the arm
>>526141729People got tired of arguing points in good faith to people who are retarded so it's easier to just use violence.
>>526140084If there's something that's still legal in Germany, half the country campaigns to make a hundred new laws against it. Germany is full of very hateful people with parental issues, crying for government control all the time. I blame extreme and diverse overpopulation creating conflicts left and right, a CIA made culture and German genetics. Germans can't drive a car for five minutes without seeking to nigg your fellow motorists, it's a very sad place.
>>526137969You should have just kept buying that Volkswagen Jetta, German bros.
>>526139515>>526141218>Does your car not have a heating?-30C/-22F means your car will have absolutely zero warm air from a fresh start for 24 minutes, also without keeping the battery charged up even your car battery gets fucked up and may not even start depending on the brand model. You germans are know nothing know it alls when it comes to the real cold.Don't even get me started on the tendency of frost to not go away and make seeing the road difficult, you need wamr air just to melt that.
>>526141304maybe it's intentional, the blue light probably helps keep night drivers from falling asleep at the wheel? I'm being optimistic, it's highly likely the ones making these decisions are just retarded, malicious, or both, but just maybe there was some good intention with this change to street lighting and headlights.
>>526141729
>>526141856> -30CWe don't do that in Germany
>>526141834ok but there's a problem with that, if we act retarded because we're tired of leftists missing the point, we attract retards who are unironically that way. so many chuds these days are fucking retards who are actually less intelligent than the average normie.plus the memes that are just drawing a good looking guy saying your point or drawing the guy you dont like being punched are fucking stupid.
>>526141887Nice fantasyThey don't make memes of violent fantasies in Germany, I think you should stop.
>>526141659>I don’t know how it is Canada, I am assuming you get american cars? For you a 2000s beater is a 5 liter V8 truck the size of a house. In europe that is a tiny opel diesel shitbox with 60hp. And I never trust these “oh it will run forever” posters, every time I meet someone like that irl their car is a piece of shit where the handbreak doesn’t work, the engine overheats if you go over 100km/h and only passes inspection because they know a guy (absolutely miserable but still better than not having a car)Well, eurocars probably won't run forever. They're trash with some outliers, and unfortunately Euromags kneecapped American cars which were generally rock solid via their propaganda campaign against US autos.But the japmobiles aren't too bad.And I do own a 00's Mercedes (I paid under $1000 for it) which has been OK despite every electronic piece failing over the years. My VW though...How can the EU allow such shitty autos? And in the US they're imported from Mexico. Terrible.
>>526140084How the fuck is that illegal? Bureaucrats would have their houses burned down if they tried to do that here.
>>526140139It's my car, why can't i do what i want with it. If I'm gonna fuck up the engine by heating the car, so i don't have to remove ice from it, then why can't i do that.
>>526142043The 2000 passat 1.9 tdi never dies thoughbeit
>>526142058>Bureaucrats would have their houses burned down if they tried to do that here.they blocked the bank accounts of truckers for protesting...
>>526141857>the blue light probably helps keep night drivers from falling asleep at the wheel?>maybe there was some good intention with this changeYour optimism and open mindedness is the most refreshing thing I've seen here in ages, it makes my heart sink that I have to inform you that we are in fact governed by genuine evil that acts in the advance of suffering. As for the lights though, blue light has been known for decades now to be legitimately harmful to eyesight along with being subtly stress inducing. Bright LED lamps and headlights are worse for wild life than they are human eyesight as they disrupt circadian rhythms with how much light pollution they create.
>>526142131They didn't tell the entire country they can't properly deice their frozen cars.
>>526138523In Poland they still used horse and carts or mules with buggy until about 1997.
>>526142131Ja, that was pretty crazy. Litterally preventing people to buy food, for a protest. So essentially killing people for protesting.
>>526142058> How the fuck is that illegal?its not actually illegal, like there is a sentence in the law saying you can't run it for unnecessary long times, but its not defined how long that is. Heating a car while ice scraping is definitely not forbidden lol, and I've never heard of anyone getting fined for running their motor
>>526141912
YOU VILL DRIVE A BATTERY TINDERBOX THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPY>YOU VILL DRIVE A BATTERY TINDERBOX THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPYYOU VILL DRIVE A BATTERY TINDERBOX THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPY>YOU VILL DRIVE A BATTERY TINDERBOX THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPYYOU VILL DRIVE A BATTERY TINDERBOX THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPY>YOU VILL DRIVE A BATTERY TINDERBOX THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPYYOU VILL DRIVE A BATTERY TINDERBOX THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPY>YOU VILL DRIVE A BATTERY TINDERBOX THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UND YOU VILL BE HAPPY
>>526142067It's not your car Jude, it's Hitler's car that you are allowed to rent. Now pay motor vehicle tax and STFU before I sent you to Auschwitz for questioning Hitler's wisdom.
>>526142043>kneecapped American cars which were generally rock solid via their propaganda campaign against US autosTo be fair in doing so they spared themselves of the super cancer that is SUVs and lifted pickups, bought themselves time at least
>>526141948
>>526142575shouldn't you have used the spanish flag for this one?
>>526137969>>526138062How TF would they be able to turn off your heating? The heat comes from running your engine...
>>526142626We would like to but that takes effort so the German was punched again and it was your fault.
>>526142697its not that they removed their car heating, they made it so you can't idle it to heat it up for a while before gettign in
>>526141539Just ukrainian
>>526138190Never heard of this. You're saying bullshit.
>>526142784Doesn't that mean you won't be able to see anything when you start driving?Seems dangerous
>>526143119when there's an accident they'll probably use it to say people should use cars less
>>526138185I love how germans go full psycho with whatever they do.
R, as a german, reported 4 peopel doing this this year. In 2 times the police arrived and gave them tickets.Why i did it:a) its bad for the enviromentb) Idling cars are loud and it bothered mec) its against the lawYeah two of them get fined and i felkt better lol. Fucking assholes.Also i only reported the non-german peopel doing it because german people dont do this so point d) fuck turks
>>526143273>someone tries to murder police by running them over and gets shot to deathComplete over reaction by law enforcement>someone warms their car up for 2 minutesOMG CALL THE POLICE, THEY SHOULD BE SHOT!!!!
>>526143398The german police has killed 16 people last year.The US-American police has killed 16 people in the last 6 days lolAlso we have 2 different police in germany:Ordnungsamt: The guys/girls who drive around doing lawviolation for small stuff like parking wrongPolizei: Real policeSo take your false-equivalence and shove it up your fat ass burger
>>526143510>The US-American police has killed 16 people in the last 6 days lolleftist meme, you saw the footage of george floyd, it was a fucking rabid nigger who should've been shot long ago and would've caused less harm, and the cop was still very professional and tried to not harm him, but he died due to an overdose
>>526143259NOOOO STOP SALTING THE ASPHALT! THINK OF THE NON-EXISTING PLANTS IN OUR GREY HELLSCAPE!!!!
>>526143273I dont like you>>526143640I like you
I idle my car to cool it down lol
>the year of our Lord and Saviour 2026>using an ice scraper
>>526144088This shit's overpriced. Mix two parts alcohol to one part water and spray away.
>>526141948You’re being such a massive faggot about that meme. Just thought Id let you know. Pol has always been retarded you have no idea what you are talking about. A lot of germans really deserve a punch in the face.
>>526144088>look inside
>>526144162
>>526142626You are German.We can tell from the impotent seething.
>>526138056This
>>526144228Thanks for letting me know. It's tough to assimilate that I'm a massive faggot, but I'll come to terms with it. Kek.It's a fact that it used to be that chuds were the ones with arguments and logic on our side, that's what politics used to be like, and that was always the stereotype. These days chuds post those retarded memes and make simplistic as fuck arguments like "Yes", and I'm pretty sure in a few years, normies will catch on and the stereotype will be that chuds are simpletons.This is horrible politically, because if you don't have the mainstream or the media on your side, you should have logic, arguments and the truth, and that requires being sharp and having the mental acuity to figure things out, not being someone who just posts chad yes memes or makes a drawing of him punching a german and thinks he's doing something kek
>>526144088I can use my arms just fine still you fat burger. How do people make such a big deal about scraping a bit of ice?Then the same people tell me im lucky because im fit and healthy.Lazy faggots everywhere
>>526144505I live in Alaska.
>>526139902>Just sounds like poor engineering anon.you are talking to amerilard retard about amerishart design.>you do the math
>>526140084Wow thats the gayest thing ive seen a German say today and it’s only 0600
>>526137969We told you fucking retards this would happen but no one wanted to listen.
>>526137969>>526138853its already illegal to run your engine will stationary (unless when necessary such as traffic, although a traffic jam not). its a common misconception here that you are allowed '3 minutes' of idling, but you are allowed 0 seconds. for big offenses, court, for small infractions, 500 eurobucks on the spot fine, and snitching passersby will make sure you get one.>Paragraph 5 Bundes‑Immissionsschutzgesetz framework forbids producing avoidable noise and exhaust emissions, explicitly including unnecessary engine idling
>>526141948Lmao another whiny faggot
>>526144492You don’t seem to understand much so im not going to spend ages.Which incidentally is how clever people feel about retards who don’t understand logic if it is explained to them step by step so very often the best use of your time is to know that you are morally correct and to not engage and to simply say “yes” to their screeching. People don’t care about logic, they care about fitting in and doing what everyone else is doing. They need to be culled let alone punched in the face. At this point there are people who know what’s up and there are low t retards who need to fit in and have abandoned their humanity.There is no convincing anyone anymore. They’ve had their chance.
>>526144739>its a common misconception here that you are allowed '3 minutes' of idling, but you are allowed 0 secondskek
>>526142119The DSG gearboxes are the problem. I truly loved my 2.0l diesel Jetta. But the tranny died due to retarded German engineering.And in the US the old VW diesels are so rare now you're more likely to see a 70s Cadillac on the road (super are these days).>>526142427Oh, one of these? Can you explain the hate for these vehicles?They even make SUVs with 1l engines for fags like you now.
>>526144613Even more reason to not be a lazy faggot and pollute the earth with chemicals because your arms are weak.
>>526138170There is a major difference between an ECM and whatever dystopian bluteeth, jeet coded, cyberpunk hackable, bullshit they have now.
>>526144817I restore trails.
>>526137969>>526138185>Having heating in your car? We don't do that in Germany
>>526138038Your flag needs to be rangebanned holy shit.
>>526139629kek. germs are a cuck race
>>526144758kek you are dense as fuck and think you're smart>just saying "yes" to leftist screeching because they are retarded and its pointless to arguethat is probably what the "yes chad" thing originally meant, what im saying is, /pol/ talking points are becoming more and more popular, at this point I'd say, half of male zoomers are straight fascistswith there being more chuds comes chuds having an IQ closer to average, so the average chud is by definition becoming dumber, add to that the fact ironically pretending to be retarded attracts retards, and also, the "yes chad" meme is being enshittened and basically becoming "heh i drew a good looking guy saying my point" and now the punch thing which is even more stupidchud IQ is low as fuck these days, we are becoming simpletons, normies will eventually catch on and start saying that chuds are simpletons with retarded talking points, and people actually do care about that to an extent. we can't win people who only want to fit in (i've seen tiktok zoomers say "im pretty sure most people dont think that" or "wow you cant seriously think that" as an argument kek), but many people care about being on the side of logic vs group dogma, and we're losing that
>>526144613Based. How is it there? Not alot of jobs i hear
>>526140960>despite the negative effects of blue light on not just humans but wildlife as well being a known thing at this pointCan you link to a source for this known thing?
>>526137969Seems reasonable? That's what everyone has delt with for decades and they're fucking the planet up for everyone else
>>526144797Yea, the one im talking about is manual.I have a theory that they put automatics in most new cars because if they fail the car is useless, so you cant keep you 2015 passat until 2050 because nobody has the auto gear for that type anymore. You can however keep a manual running forever, the clutchpacks are made by all sorts of companies
>>526144797>Can you explain the hate for these vehicles?If you don't view them being the default that they've become then I don't think I can ever make it make sense to you.I'll throw a bone though, basically they were initially rolled out for wealthy businessmen with families that wanted to feel outdoorsy, the oversized nature and appearance was an aesthetic not a feature. Families overwhelmingly used minivans and station wagons pre SUV era, good options for the latter ceased whilst SUVs won out against minivans as people were sold on the idea of camping with it. The increased presence of SUVs led to them getting morbidly obese in order to make SUV on SUV crashes safer thus making everybody not in one more unsafe especially pedestrians. They were a long term judeo-corpo scheme to get everybody spending more money on gas. They were originally meant for families but nobodys having them anymore yet they persist as the default, you dont even see families in new commercials for them its eerie. They're also just fucking ugly.
>>526145211https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side>inb4 ur source is gay
>>526145201I'll never leave and lots of construction going on, it's hard to get people to do household jobs.
>>526142058You let kikes mutilate baby penises in your country. They could tell you you can't heat your car tomorrow and you would absolutely follow like a good goy
>>526140753Lol dis nigga dragging his Mr Bean car around with horses trying to talk shit LMAO
>>526143119To my comprehension its only the remote idling that is disabled. Because according to the government they use it to make their car comfy before entering it. In europe being comfy is illegal. So you must enter the car and idle it to heat up the engine and freeze your ass inside the car. That’s fine because it’s not comfy, so it’s not illegal.
>>526137969>Be Germ>Drive 420 SE>Put 20W-50 in it >Don't warm it up at -10.>Engine explodes >Heh. At least we're not speaking German. Based.
>>526145134Im not losing that.Times change and it’s not 2015 im not writing paragraphs on the internet to try to convince people who can never be convinced.Facts and logic are so 2015 and jew pilled like shapiro. This is the decade of fists and fascism. If you didn’t get redpilled by 2020 then all I have for you is violence im afraid. Hearts and minds get won by me not giving a fuck so much better than seething paragraphs. People see me not giving a fuck in all aspects of life and they want to be more like me. That’s more affective than logic in 2026. I can still make an argument when the time is right but I’m not being flippant when I say there is almost literally no point anymore.The best argument is to not argue and say “yeah im racist now what?”.Tines have changed. Logic is overrated when surrounded by people who only understand power.
>>526144886But you choose chemicals over a bit of elbow grease?Still a faggot
>>526145410>There may be effects when you sleep but this needs to be studied more before any conclusionsA far cry from the hysterically scared chud panic text you wrote earlier. As usual, /pol/ has literally zero scientific literacy.
This restriction only apply for ze white Germans the black migrants will have heating sponsored by ze state.
>>526144162My mom used to just eat up water, put it in a 2L plastic bottle and pour the whole on the windshield. My dad kept telling her the thermic shock will shatter the windshield someday. It never did.
>>526143119They will issue you an 80€ fine for driving with frosted windows, so you still have to defrost your windshield and windows (any glass surface really). It's just that the german goverment does not want you to idle your car to get rid of the ice on your windshield and windows because that would be waste of fuel (100€ fine btw.)What they expect you to do is to scrape off the snow and ice with manual labor like a cuck while rich people are allowed to have heated garages powered by fossil fuels.
>>526145278American transmissions and even jap transmissions really never fail under 200K miles with some exceptions.And the problem I had was not with the transmission, but the transmission control unit, which was a 2k part and buried inside the transmission. Literally the most fucked up shit I've ever seen on a car.>>526145288I'll give you the ugly point, outside of some of the new Jeeps, which are really only pleasing to me because they look like older solid vehicles.Everything else is simply a stupid reason to rag on them. I've been in exactly 3 car accidents in my life, both times run into by SUVs and there was no ridiculous damage.And one time with a pickup truck that rear ended me while I was driving my 84 Cadillac. Fucker bent my tail light and totaled his truck doing it.You should disconnect from your euroshitlib mindset, faggot.
>>526145752>I need a jew reviewed study to tell me if what my eyes and ears are sensing is true. Yeah more bright lights at night please until the Harvard jews can tell me why bright lights at night is bad. Are you seeing this spanish anon? You going to come and write paragraphs of logic to this retard or just tell him that he’s a good boy for trusting the uniparty rather than his own senses?There’s no point anymore.
>>526145826Boiling water will. Warm water not so much. The newer the car the more heat the windshield will take because of better material science over the years and all.>>526145805"Immigrant" here. No they don't, my car does not have remote start and I also will be fined for idling my car.
>>526145826It shouldn't with properly tempered glass. Defects may cause it to shatter, but are unlikely.
>>526137969Good. Gotta punish these fuckers for not buying German and undermining our local Industry. At this point just slap a 100% tariff on Japanese and Chinese cars already ffs.
>>526145805Literally windows open in every migrant accommodation because they are too hot cos heating blasting.Meanwhile the tv telling the plebs to wear more clothes in the house.Im ready to hang them all honestly not sure what everyone else is waiting for. Facts and logic i guess… idk
>>526145963hahahahah.... so everybody is getting fucked by commie politicians good good...
>>526145832Using your own body is the opposite of being a cuck.How did everyone get so retarded and lazy. Its a little bit of ice.Being a man and taking care of your own shit with your hands and not resorting to jew chemicals is the opposite of being a cuck faggot noodle armed german.
>>526145992Heat is for migrants not for you.You will be chased to Ukrainian front because you are white with the rest of the whites... can't wait it's going to be fun to die for elites.
>>526145688>>526145688>I have for you is violence im afraid.You are just making drawings of you punching germans kek. I'm sure they're so scared.>People see me not giving a fuck in all aspects of life and they want to be more like me.kek>I can still make an argument when the time is rightAt this point and after you've said of "people want to be like me because I don't give a fuck", "all I have for you is violence", I'm pretty sure that no, you can't, you don't have the mental acuity, and are probably a pajeet.>Times change and it’s not 2015 im not writing paragraphs on the internet to try to convince people who can never be convinced.A sharp argument doesn't have to be a long paragraph, at all.>Facts and logic are so 2015 and jew pilled like shapiroIt's what created the stereotype that normies were clueless idiots who just follow mainstream lying media, while dissenters had the truth on their side and told everyone else they were wrong. This can win hearts and minds so much better than being seen as a simpleton.
>>526137969as a good dad and loving husbandi always preheat my car, it takes like 40 swconds:every morning i go to my volkswagen suv at the doorstart it, put window and seat heaters on, put aircond to heat.so the wifey and kids can ride warm and comfy, 900m to school, and 1200m in the other direction to kindergarten.just do it manually you lazy fat blobs.and hang all greens/reds/lefties on their beloved trees
>>526146098Why are you replying to him? . . .he's a prick.
>>526146184you're right kek
Now imagine what they can do when>Digital ID>CBDCs>Social credit>Carbon credit systems are live and tied together with AI. With a monthly CO2 emmittance allowance of 1 ton.You will walk or use public trransport with niggers and be very unhappy>cbdcintel.org
>>526145832Dumb peasants need to realize fuel is only for serving their rulers.
>>526144886damn spruce trees
>>526146274Imagine being such a scared submissive schizo that you actually believe this will happen outside of your wank fantasies.
>>526146048Mate, I scrape the ice every time. I don't use chemicals and idling my car wouldn't be an option even if it was legal because it's old and needs more than 30 minutes to get up to temp while idling.It's not the physical activity that's the problem, the problem is government overreach for such a minor problem ("wasting fuel") while the handlers of the government get to heat their whole ass garages like my guy >>526146420 is saying>>526145997Yes, but the difference is that I'm unvaxxed while most germans are vaxxed and boostered.
>>526138185It's still fucked, spaniard>oh you have a comfort option, pleb?>don't think so, pleb>stay in your place
>>526146541STFU mountain kike
>>526143259Remember krauts, every time you slip on the icy asphalt as you run on the way to work is necessary to save the environment!
>>526146683Your stench carries over the internet, you need to ask mom to change your diapers again. Adults are talking here.
>>526137969The reason the European economy is so shit and will remain shit is because of environmental regulations. The politicians killed Europe.
>>526137969letting females rule over us was a mistake.
>>526137969take that putler!
>>526146790Estonian macroeconomic analysis.
>>526140198It's the trendy leftist debate tactic. He knows he's spewing shit that doesn't convince anyone of his position. He doesn't care. The goal is to shit up the place so you'll leave in frustration. He doesn't want to win the debate, he wants you to be too disgusted with his shitting all over himself to even continue posting.
>>526138170Are you telling me that even fucking Polski Fiats had computers inside? My car is from 1994 and the most complex electronic in it is the FM radio with tape reader.
>>526143273Based.>>526143398You shoot karens (I wish we would as well).
>>526141857i like your optimism but i regret to inform you that the reason the ridiculous headlights are allowed is because when they focus group them the white LEDs make people believe that they are more premium. never forget that you're fighting a horde of demonic misers who will make everyone else miserable for an extra shekels.
>>526140084You are literally the most pathetic cuck imaginable. "Well it is illegal to warm up your car, which helps ensure that the engine doesn't die prematurely and that the interior isn't ice cold. Of course there is a feature to prevent us from breaking the law!"You're fucking hopeless. I hope Poland forgets about Russia and enslaves you sad sacks of shit.
>>526142840>Ukrainians are just nigger jews with HIVAt last I truly see
>>526140084>why yes I wantz my car zo zie earlier zan neccessaryHans warum bist er so
>>526137969And they wonder why the auto industry is failing.
>>526141228>they use the heating for hours to melt the snowlol, what?Cars (here at least) turn off after 10 minutes.Also, most people heat up their car so they don't break the engine, not to melt snow.Removing snow takes 2 minutes and some of us even have car shelters to avoid doing that.How retarded are Germs?
>>526141506I was discussing this with my mumThe old Buses in the UK had 10x more charm with their front engines than the ugly flat shit cuboid onesThe left designs were an uplifting statement of gentryThe right is an indistinguishable melted plastic plob of umm..technology or something!?
>>526138222I have mild astigmatism and that shit is so annoying.
>>526146128a VW Up is not an suv i heard
>>526141107It’s necessary and helpful for the engine to let it run for a bit in the winter when it’s been buried under snow the whole night before getting in and revving it around the autobahn
>>526137969>Japan is butthurt about something retarded since forever>chuds: woaaaahhh they still have a traditional culture!>Germany is butthurt about something retarded since forever>chuds: this is literally globohomo gommunism!
>>526143510>So take your false-equivalence and shove it up your fat ass burgersounds like the Ordnungsamt shouldn't even exist. how's that for an equivalence pussy? fuckin KarenSquad LOL
>>526140000checked
>>526137969I hate modern cars it's why I drive 15+yo shitboxesI drive them for work their SHIT the trans feel like slushbox the stupid tune takes forever to actually accel and they can't turn or stop or do anything without beeping for no fucking reason
>>526144817>pollute the earthif the chemicals come from the earth then they belong here, hippie
>>526138170you idiot, or what?after 2010 maybe.
>>526142697>what do onboard computers donigger.. u can't be this dumb?
>>526144228the german face punch meme is pure gaslighting its based on the geoflag psyopas all shitskins and other thrid world scum on a vpn is larping as le ebin based hans or whatever so that sentences like your "A lot of germans really deserve a punch in the face." can be spawned by freaks of nature like you are one
We live in a world where big multinational automobile companies can now remotely control your car and /pol/ is worried about "government overrreach". This place really is a lost cause, isn't it?
>>526138208you can't and soon the states will make it so expensive to own and operate one - old cars before 1990 that it will be only for the super rich to be able to own a car with carburetor.
>>526145752Dude your grandpa probably never encountered the wheel back in India. You're less than two generations removed from ancestry that ate other jeets as part of your religion. No one cares what your take is.
>>526143273kek based wessie
>>526145893>euroshitlib mindsetI'm not advocating smart cars nor would I, 15 years ago the people in SUVs wouldve been in 4 door sedans and thats what I'd wanna see a return to. The fucking things make everything out of scale. Theres no good reason to have everybody in something that big when its just them alone. Psychologically its like a homeless person with a shopping cart worrying abt keeping all his shit on him at all times.>I'll give you the ugly pointIt really is the most egregious thing about them though besides the lack of practicality. They look like gym shoes in the worst possible way. Immediately takes the vibe out of any location when you have one idling in a lot with its welding arc headlights on pointed at nothing.
>>526145641>you must enter the car and idle it to heat up the engineLMAO do Zoomies really think this is a big deal? That's how normal people have always warmed up our cars.
>>526147974Based lancer poster, not the elite 1994 1.6 version, but itl do
>>526144228Nigger, the rottenchild live on your shithole, marxism was spawn on your shithole, anti-slavery without relocation was created on your shithole, pissrael was also created on your shithole.If anything, the punching bag should be the usual suspect, the reggae skinhead pub goer, bong.
Honestly, though, how did Goymany become SO cucked?
>>526138038>HOW DARE YOU INSULT AUTOSYAHOO!
>>526148151>dude making a fire has always been the way we baked our bread
>>5261381701988 ford base series truck begs to differliterally everything other than the engine could be fixed by going to autozone.
>>526148244they put women in power
>>526137969>remotely disableWhy is this a thing to begin with?
>>526138170They laugh but I get it.ECUs weren't compulsory in the States until 1996, but they were available on models as far back as 1970 in simple forms.Despite this, you can't wirelessly interface with any of them, because those comms standards weren't invented yet. Maybe some people retrofitted an ECU to make that possible.No car came from the factory that way until maybe the late 90s, and the whole OTA business didn't become normal until the 2010s.
>>526148155He's still working on it.
>>526137969>vee don't like civilization, in djermoney
>>526138387It's good for bringing the oil up to temperature, which you'll need to do if your driving style is very efficient. (Floor it to speed from stop, change to highest gear at speed)Can't floor it with cold oil, that'll fuck the engine up. I don't know enough about engines to point out if there are some that won't mind, but as a general rule of thumb, get the oil up before you have fun
>>526148477Yea those ecu’s are for the engine only, no gps and no remote control possible for the satanic communist government.Sure you can say its a computer, the argument was about satanic remote functions for the bolsjeviks
>>526140139It's because idle revs count on your engine lifespan, but don't get added to your odometer.People generally don't think about that.
>>526148498Its a hard job but somebody has to do it
censorshipnot once for any reason
>>526146546>I scrape the ice every time. I don't use chemicals and idling my car wouldn't be an option even if it was legalkudos!you've earned 0.003 social credit points
>>526140634If anyone ever mentions horse-drawn cars in a serious discussion, mention that their pollution is worse for the environment than a turbocharged 2L petrol.
>>526148655Yeah. I idle my car in the drive way. Theres even an indicator in the cluster that shows if the engine is cold and to be careful driving. Sometimes im in a hurry and ill drive under 15mph while the cold engine light is on
>>526140139An engine is made to idle, dude.It has to be somewhat warm. What about in traffic, and black saturday when al colgates block germany with their caravans, engines idle for hours. Couple of idle minutes on the driveway sure isnt a problemThe reason mainstream news talks about idling engines being bad is not because they care so mich for your car. Its an humiliation ritual, and like the mouthdiapers that didnt work, the communist government said you should so they did.Its another step of government intrucion into your private life.
>>526140997Where there's a hole, a white man will fill it.Where there's no hole, a white man will dig it.Right now, there is a teeny tiny cottage industry of shed-based manufacturers who manufacture bespoke cars for specific customers.When the demand for cheap reliable off-grid automation becomes great enough, one of those manufacturers is going to produce it.You can't trust a Ford/VAG/GM to do that, not with present leadership.There's loads of people working there who'd love to do it though, they're not retarded.Mercedes protests endlessly against the electrification of the product line, because EVs aren't selling, aren't good for the environment, and aren't that profitable.Same as Jaguar, 1 man made a decision and thousands have to comply because that's their job.Want the big companies to change? Go acquire a couple billion or trillion dollars in personal assets, and buy exclusive majority control of those manufacturers through the stock market, and privatise the fuckers.When you run a private company, you can produce anything you want. You don't have to do what BlackRock wants.
>>526137969>Toyota spokesman Ralph Müller confirmed the parking pre-heating feature—previously free via MyToyota or Lexus Link Plus apps—is now deactivated on combustion-engine vehicles across Germany. stopping remote engine warmup doesn't mean stopping heating inside the car, retard
Germany is gay but on an unrelated note, why do I see barely anyone using this 3€ solution so you don't have to scrap any ice or have to wait minutes for the engine to heat up? Just put it on the evening, remove it in the morning, takes like ten seconds, BAM instant crystal clear windshield. People are fucking NPCs for scraping ice
>>526149081semantics
>>526148741It's really not that hard of a job.
>>526149140Those things make you gay.Be a man, let the car idle for half an hour and then revvmax to your office cubicle
>>526141218Car heaters take heat from the engine and direct the warm air into the cabin.The temperature settings determine the airflow that makes it into a mixing tunnel where outside air is brought in. It's a bit like a mixed-temp water faucet in your kitchen.If you don't turn the heater on, all that hot air is just dumped under the car.
>>526149028>An engine is made to idle, dude.>It has to be somewhat warm.How much Russian propaganda did you swallow?
>>526148679I kinda like the idea of a Trabant that reports you to the Stasi if your oil reaches 88°C
>>526149482Its a good idea. If they had the tech they probably would, which now they have, and they will
>>526138523dude your a faggot, cars have had computers since 1895
>>526137969the day you can't own a car that can't be remotely disabled i'll refuse to drive and ride my bike. but by that time they'll probably require remotely controlled permabrakes on those, too.
>>526148741If you don't keep that open head covered up and protected from dust, you're gonna have a bad time.
>>526149798your horse has mandatory gps tracking by then.
Cyberpunk in Fiction:>I'm hacking in the mainframe. Oh shit enforcer drones. Eat plasma you fucking clankers! Pew pew pew!Cyberpunk Reality:>My car can't fucking start
>>526149878Mostly after work at home i remove the head so it can cool off, then in the morning i put new headgasket on and start my day
>>526149798You'll be tracked by then, and you won't be able to flee from them. The Mark Of The Beast is coming.
>>526149798>i'll refuse to drive and ride my bike>steps in your way and 360 noscopes you for not paying biking license and not posting black squares on your instagram story
>Sysadmin: Alert, Your Palantir Social Credit Score is too low.>This is [Not_Kosher]>Now disabling all central heating in your goypod.
>>526137969lol The EU is a 3rd world dictatorship now
>>526149764Midwit alert
>>526150191>Pumps oral vaccine through the air con
>>526140139>german engineeringRetard. You should be killed.
>>526149885>>526149885>>526150044you guys are alright. don't go to school tomorrow. (because it's saturday)
>>526150365>frown detected; enabling boosterkillshot sequence
>>526150653I won't but you forgot you have your emergency drills tomorrow in case of school shooters.
>>526138185I let my car idle for half an hour in the morning during winter. Glad to know I’m doing my part.
>>526149974good practise and a valid safety measure. i usually disconnect the gearbox from engine, clean the clutch disc for a bit and reconnect everything the next morning before going to work. sadly, that's not enough. picrel related.
>>526143640>no outdoor heating at restaurants and cafes across all of FrancePot calling the kettle black here.
>>526138089Don't you mean "sneed sneed sneed" you massively fucking retarded limey piece of shit?
>>526152458Very nice, you dont want to leave the tranny connected to the engine for too long, its bad for climate
>>526152343do you not use remote controlled parking heaters? seems a sensible feature in cold climate.
>>526137969it is bigger than you thinkthe feature of " i set up my car heating to exact time on my phone, so when i go to job its already ready to go and i do not have to waste time to scrap snow of the window and its warm and cosy inside" is the main thing middle class new car owners brag aboutincluding my mom ( she got byd dolphin)
