It just hit me some people are not libertarians.How do you guys explain the downfall of Europe? Muh capitalism? It is capitalism's fault that it goes to shit if it's too regulated and bureaucratized?Do you seriously not know, or can't grasp, that the state of the housing market is from bureaucracy, and as long as you blame capitalism, the bureaucrats have zero reason to change their ways?"Muh american healthcare" - In a system where there's an enforced monopoly on meds, # of people who can study medicine is limited bureaucratically (aka by governments), your employer has to buy your healthcare instead of you due to tax reasons, you unironically blame capitalism for it not working?How is anyone with above 100 IQ not even a libertarian at this point? It baffles me how dense the average person is.
But muh blue team and muh red team
>>526166270If you don't understand how capitalism relies on mass migration in 2026 you're ngmi
>>526166270I'm just not into child sex slaves is the thing
>>526166270I blame jews and commies
>>526166387What about child sex slaves and the right to own thermite to protect yourself from the tyranny of any state sponsored child sex slave crony competition?
>>526166355Many people are stupid and still make it in life. You could be a normie and just do the same as everyone else for a low risk average outcome, you could be unintelligent in terms of grasping complex concepts, but still good at talking, like so many businessmen and politicians. You could get involved in politics while young, be popular, and become a successful bureaucrat. You can't say that just because someone is unintelligent, he's ngmi.However, you are the unintelligent one. I didn't mention anything about mass migration, but most importantly, the idea that mass migration is from capitalism is dense and stupid. Because there is a capitalist incentive to kill people and steal all their money, to kidnap someone and ask his family for ransom, and to enslave people for forced labor or prostitution, however, what makes capitalism good is that actors in it can't use violence or coercion and can only work based on voluntary agreements, and of course they can't make the law, as that is in itself coercion. Therefore, just because some capitalist wishes there was a million pajeets in his area to hire for peanuts, this technically has no correlation with immigration policy in a free market. It practice it can have a correlation, but that's a different issue from capitalism being good or bad.
>>526166387>Oh, understandable, I didn't look at it that way.>Have a good day. Wait a moment.... That's communist! Are you saying you don't like child sex slaves, which there's market demand for? Yikes!! Fucking commie!!I'm pretty sure you would expect that reaction because you're a fucking dense and stupid normie.Libertarianism also means having rules and not using violence, otherwise as I was saying, there's a "capitalist" incentive for all sorts of fucked up things, fortunately that's not how it works.
>>526166956Never said you lot don't have good takes it's just I'm not into child sex slaves is the thing
>>526166733No, you literally don't understand what capitalism is. It's not just "private ownership and free trade" which to some extent has always existed. The most accurate definition of what capitalism actually is is a process based on usury which began in the 17th century whereby capital is sent in search of more capital. If it doesn't find any the system collapses. Hence if you have a declining population, and you have no natural resources to exploit and technology isn't making up the gap then you need to import people to keep the system going. Hence mass migration to western countries. Observe how communist countries despite economic decline had literally zero mass migration. Their system didn't require it.>inb4 DUHH DATS NOT REAL CAPITALISMYes it is retard. This is what capitalism as a system actually means in reality
>>526167067You're so fucking dumb. You're the target audience of political debates.
>>526167160Well I remain unconvinced, good luck in your endeavors anon
>>526167242I never thought I would convince you. I know that people can be proven inequivocally wrong, even made to shut up because they run out of excuses, and still repeat the same points in other threads, that they were just shown are wrong, and in some level they know they're wrong because they went quiet. Which in a sense you also just did, and I know you will keep saying that capitalism is child sex slaves. It's okay, that's life.
>>526166270I was (maybe on some level still am) an ancap. The core problem with libertarianism is it is absolutely powerless to stop zog globalism. It is a foundational core issue that you can’t square with the needs of society.
>>526167432>why aren't people libertarians?>oh well I don't need to convince you why you should be a libertarian
>>526167140>It's not just "private ownership and free trade" which to some extent has always existedIt is literally just that, it did in fact always exist and always work, and libertarianism is the idea that leaving it alone and trusting the process ends up better for everyone.The system does not "collapse" if capital can't find more capital, that's so fucking illiterate, like the "line must go up" take. And like I said, immigration policy has no relation to this, those are laws bureaucrats make.This will fall on deaf ears since it's a bit more complicated, but "muh usury" is necessary for the system to function because it is a part of the market process. Loans are a key process in the creation of factories for example.Of course you won't like this, you'll say well, then, even if the factory is useful, the loaner, just like the owner, will get money for nothing. He will be a parasite. But the thing is that investors are people who previously saved up money instead of spending it, aka, when they could have paid to take resources or labor from other people, they instead didn't, and that's why afterwards they have the resources to instead make a factory that, if it is useful to others, will make them even more. And as long as it is useful to others, this process can of course snowball. There is actually nothing wrong with that, they are not stealing from people who have less.
>>526167932Like I said you are literally the target audience of mainstream political propaganda. I just wanted to discuss, I know people can't be convinced.And yes I still wonder why people are not libertarians.
>>526167916Yeah to be fair I don't fully agree with zero government intervention ever. But on some level everyone should be a libertarian aka understand the basics of how society functions.
>>526168208Capitalism requires capital to operate. That means people investing expecting a return on their investment. If growth stops, the returns stop coming, people stop investing and the system collapses. This is not because of government intervention this is inherent to capitalism.Hence like I said, if there is no other way to grow your economy, you need to import people to avoid collapse
>>526168272because all you do is post the snek flag and goon to Chinese lolis
>>526168482WHAT A FUCKING RETARDIf I make a store and sell food, I don't need constant growth to operate, if it makes enough I don't actually need to make more and more, you IMBECILE. Nothing would "collapse" without constant growth.
>>526168566That is not a proper argument, me gooning to chinese (actually japanese) lolis all day does not affect the way the economy works. And me posting the snek flag should make more libertarians. So your logic doesn't follow sorry bro.
>>526168594>a store is equivalent to an economyReminds me of Thatcher saying the state is like a household. There is not much point to this discussion if you don't understand basic economicsIf you had taken out a loan to buy they shop, then yes it would effectively "collapse" if you stopped being able to repay that loan and it was repossessed by the bank. This is the significance of usury. People do not own what they are operating. Hence small declines can turn into big declines very very quickly.
>>526166355If you don't understand that we live under bolshevik communism and that capitalism has been gone for 80 years you're ngmi
>>526168805The economy is composed of people making a living, through stores or whatever, so yes.I could take a loan to buy a shop and still make enough to cover it.How do most wagies get by according to you? Their wages are not constantly growing. How do they not collapse?
>>526166270>lolberts
>>526169113>but how does this affect you personally?The only way you can make us look bad is with things we don't actually say
>>526169014>comparing one human to entire economyIf they started taking out loans and were unable to repay them their life effectively would collapse anon. I am sorry but this is pointless. You clearly don't even understand the point I am making. I've already explained it twice.
>>526168334Well libertarianism doesn’t have much to say about power per se, other than the non aggression principle and the states monopoly on force. If you want value free analysis of power you should read the elite theorists, Machiavelli that sort of stuff. I would argue libertarians are woefully naive on the subject of power, in fact, because they’ve made it their boogeyman. The only libertarian political theorist that comes to mind might be Hoppe with Democracy the God That Failed. Any right leaning libertarian will inevitably find the NRx spaces and begin taking this journey which leads away from libertarianism. My whole thing is ancapistan is unattainable without a cohesive white ethnostate, as soon as it’s zogged the whole project collapses. There can be no “live and let live” when you have feral niggers slicing your throat while you’re minding your own business or while financier jews wring every cent they can from your corpse. In fact I would argue we did actually have a proper libertarian project established in the United States at the founding of the republic but it didn’t take long to collapse that project, but the reason it worked at first was because the founders understood who should have the right to vote, make laws and generally participate in the functions of the state. Once suffrage was expanded beyond white property owning males in good standing, it was doomed to fail. It’s just too easy to be co-opted by non-whites and women.
>>526169269>comparing one human to entire economyOk can you explain why it's different? The economy is a bunch of people so why can't we extrapolate one human?>If they started taking out loans and were unable to repay them their life effectively would collapse anonLook man, the economy is about production. People tend to focus on # of jobs, or money amounts, but in the end, the main thing is that the production for the things most people need is actually present. This is why in industrially developed countries, food is affordable, for example. Previous investments by people who saved up money made this possible.If people take out loans and can't pay them back, that's a problem. What's the alternative according to you? No interest? Not having to pay back loans? Why would people save up to give the money away? You know they wouldn't. Or for loaning it for nothing? If some guy can make a business that is productive as fuck and needs your money to do so, but won't pay you interest, why would you loan it for him? Spending it on a trip or starting a business yourself that's not as good would be better.
>>526166270libertarians support open borders, fuck off retards
>>526169711Also I’d like to add that the Reason type libertarians were tripping over themselves a few years ago to tell us that “private companies can do what they want” regarding banning people from twitter and Facebook, then it comes out later that actually the only reason anyone was banned was because they were told to do so by the USG. At this point private capital is so in bed with the state(and always will be) that you will have this dynamic of private companies or NGOs doing the work on behalf of the government when the government can’t “legally” do it themselves. Since this is just a fact of life we should accept, like the sky being blue, we should consider what sort of state we want that actually works for citizens.
>>526166270If libertarianism is so good explain fucking Somalia there is no active govt there shouldn’t it be a libertarian paradise on paper? Also no matter what you still at least need contract law.
>>526166733>but most importantly, the idea that mass migration is from capitalism is dense and stupid.Capitalists literally will openly state that they want mass migration and you retards will still claim otherwise
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>>526168594The current economy is based in debt. You need constant growth because new money is paying off old money. In fact the federal reserve's policy is basically to gin up consumption as high as possible so GDP goes up. Without that we could never pay off a $40 trillion debt.this model only somewhat works because of the near-infinite resources in the earth. Imagine if we were on a small asteroid with extremely limited resources, and had to carefully deploy our resources like a strategy game. Would never work.
>>526170399This is only a tough talking point when there's censorship lol, not on /pol/. Of course I can explain it. They're fucking black.
>>526170117>why can't we extrapolate one humanBecause the economy is composed of interdependent human activities and macro process, therefore if one part fails then the entire system does. Your country for example still has not recovered from 2008.>the main thing is that the production for the things most people need is actually presentI agree. Unrestrained capitalism does not achieve this because goods are literally not produced unless they are profitable. >What's the alternativeThe alternative is zero interest state loans. The alternative is not letting capital dictate the direction of economic activities. The alternative is state control. The alternative is directing the economy according to the needs of the nation and the people.
>>526170569Don't care what capitalists state, they also tend to want government favors, which are also against hte idea of the free market, idiot.Just look at Trump to see how much a businessman can be trusted to know about economics. Actors in the market don't need to understand why the market works.
>>526170569Capitalism without morals would openly be doing shit like bulldozing African villages to replace with strip malls. Or boostinf white birthrates because they make better workers/consumers. But the problem is, it doesn't stop there. They'd be genetically engineering new humans, or merging with machines. It's fundamentally transhumanist. Human beings are just food for the beast.
Libertarians might be the dumbest people on the planet. They should not even be entertained, or explained to why they’re wrong, just fucking laugh at them. Literally any political ideology can make similar claims to the core tenants of libertarianism, it’s just that they actually come up with solutions rather than saying “fuck da gubmint and rules maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan” like an unironic hippie. That’s why most people who where libertarian 10-18 years ago are now some other ideology, you crypto-fence sitting tard. Literal pajeet-tier iq ideology.
>>526166270The problem with libertarianism is that it is race and gender blind. It's just another equality and liberation ideology >>526170588It's not that Evola is wrong here but the kind of system we live under today, he could've never imagined it
>>526170569There's is a ton of stuff that is profitable but that is not taking place because it's illegal. The reason mass migration is one of these is because of leftism, ultimately, the post-ww2 anti-fascist values. Migration is profitable so let's abolish corps is like saying leftists promote gay shit online so let's abolish internet
>>526171115Well yes they would do this but they would also import millions of Indians, even without giving them citizenship. Libertarianism is still liberalism in Carl Schmidt terms and tries to beg the most important questions instead of answering them. The true(TM) libertarianism would certainly be better than modern ulieveable hell of inclusive democracy but it's really annoying impossible society incompatible with human psychology
>>526166346fippity bippity
>>526171521> The problem with libertarianism is that it is race and gender blind. It's just another equality and liberation ideologyThis is essentially my issue with it as well. It is unable to prevent the ass raping by Jews that you get with an open society. Equality just leads to what we have today.
>>526172472The alternative to the leftist state is not an absence of a state but a right wing state and it's really how it always was in history and it's the only thing that is compatible with human psychology. Right wing libertarians would talk about how the state forced anti-racism in the US, but this wasn't "the government" Vs "the people", it was the good racist "state government" Vs bad anti-racist "federal government".
>>526172038Human beings basically evolved for small tribes of about 2000-4000 people. They are religious, they are naturally inclined to take their cues from an authority figure telling them how to live, what to believe, what their values are....etc. Capitalism hijacks those mechanisms for self serving profit. Capitalism works to the extent people are rational calculators, but we didn't evolve that way. So we witness today the bulk-majority of the population being rapaciously farmed, like cattle, by the corporations. Remember when the web was just a few upper-middle class kids fooling around on forums, and it was like a bountiful free land. But then the masses started going online, and their farmers, seeing their flock wanderint astray, followed them. Suddenly the entire online space was centralized to 10 main sites, and everything became awash in ads and monetization. You can just see how this group of people is basically surrounded by a cloud of cultures pecking their flesh away. And they're so accustomed to doing this, it's their entire business model. They feel like geniuses for doing this.
>>526166387Why are you thinking about child sex slaves in the first place when that'll illegal under libertarian law?
>>526172850Yeah but it's also impossible to escape this centralisation in a modern industrial and IT society. Capitalism hijacked these small 2-4k communities but it was necessary to push people into industrialisation so it's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just that there should be a right wing version of modernity
>>526172844Exactly, I think this is the natural progression of any libertarian that is honest about seeking the truth. Most people find a comfortable ideology like they would have with a favorite pair of pants, and they stop seeking truth. Most people stop seeking answers and stay where they are and defend it tirelessly. But if you look at reality it’s telling us that race and heritage is a huge component of what shapes our world and we ignore it our peril. Conservatives and libertarians are uncomfortable with the harsh truth that you must wield power to crush those that would get in your way to usher in the world you want to see. Power makes them squeamish but “the left” has no problem wielding power to reach their ends. This has been a costly mistake ever since the French Revolution and I’m not sure what it will take for “the right” to understand this lesson.
The only poster itt who has any grasp of libertarianism is the Spaniard. The rest of you make shit up and pull every trick under the sun to make libertarianism less appealing when literally nothing any of you (save the Spaniard) said has anything to do with LIBERTY.
>>526173079>libertarians >laws too much /pol/ for one day
>>526173430There can be no liberty without order anon. You’re either a retard or severely naive if you believe you can have “liberty” in a vacuum. No amount of tweaking tax policy will get us to a glorious right wing world the Spaniard insists upon.
>>526173430We already did this yesterday anon"the fundamental problem with libertarianism is that you mistake abstraction for reality. ... you are labouring under a faulty conception of freedom (negative). freedom is not natural condition, it is derivative of a stable political order. thus the idea that minimal government maximises freedom is itself fundamentally flawed."
>>526173774>he somehow understands and doesn't understand at the same timeWow. You fuckers must be doing this on purpose.
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>>526173999Brother I understand perfectly well. I’ve read Moses, rothbard, Rand, Ron Paul, I’ve listened to the podcasts, been to the rally’s. I believe it is you who do not understand what we’re saying.
>>526173340Step one is WW2 revisionism, step two is ditching Christianity. Even during the French revolution Christians were fence sitters, it was the noblemen who were on the right, Christians joined the right only when the left went after them. Similar case in Russian revolution
>>526173975It's not even just that. Libertarianism, classic liberalism proposes a world of equal and free economic agents. But it's always possible to find some natural inequalities and unfairnesses and demand more state intervention until you get to the modern inclusive democracy. Both communism and modern liberalism promise to deliver the "true" promises of classic liberalism that classic liberalism itself failed to deliver
>>526173430Sneed's Feed & Seed (formerly Chuck's). Also, "Bart's Fart & Shart" doesn't make any sense because the store wasn't called "Feed & Sheed" under Sneed's ownership so stop posting it.
>>526174257>christianity Yeah modern Christianity is ZOGGED out of its mind, which actually dovetails with the holocaust narrative and ww2 revisionism you mentioned.
A member of the human race who is completely incapable of understanding the higher productivity of labor performed under a division of labor based on private property is not properly speaking a person… but falls instead into the same moral category as an animal – of either the harmless sort (to be domesticated and employed as a producer or consumer good, or to be enjoyed as a “free good”) or the wild and dangerous one (to be fought as a pest).
>>526174257First step is actually realising it has nothing to do with "left" or "right" which are abstractions designed to manage dissent within a liberal political order>>526174654Well you're confusing classical liberalism with libertarianism, libertarianism accepts inequality but only the whole I agree with you. But I was responding directly to his specific point about liberty
>>526174970*on the whole
>>526174970What “classical liberalism” and libertarianism share though are the view that meritocracy is the best way to organize. This inevitably leads to what we have today or is powerless to stop it, that is it leads to GLOBAL meritocracy. Either you enjoy being replaced by pakis and jeets or you don’t, if you don’t then you MUST be against liberalism in all its forms including libertarianism.
>lolbertsProperty isn’t real, retard.
>>526173975>>526174238You've read, but do you understand?Liberty works like this:>your rights end where mine begin>meaning that laws that codify these rights exist and that the vague definition of these boundaries allow for optimal freedom while still maintaining a fair environment>meaning these laws must have systems in place that allow everyone to experience the same level of protections under said laws>meaning that the systems must also bend to nuance in case situations do not match the laws exactly>this concept applies to every aspect of societyUltimately, the laws in a libertarian society are designed to protect without being overly restricting. And this allows people to live their lives how they want without having to worry about getting screwed, so long as they adhere to the same social contracts everyone adheres to. All the benefits that come with it soon follow because a libertarian system is based on merit. Any stricter and society leans closer to authoritarianism. Any looser, and the fabric of a civil society starts to unravel.This sounds like utopian shit, but there is no other way to achieve anything close to a utopia without merit. Most of the tards in this thread do not even consider merit as a factor when it is the most important thing in public discourse. And in the end, they fail to really understand Libertarianism.
>>526175458property is only real if you can successfully defend the airspace at a minimum of 25k feet
>>526175265Not really, meritocracy is more of a vibe than a system. It's only ever used instrumentally and some amount is essential to an effective state. It's only libertarian autists that actually believe in absolute meritocracy which can obviously never exist. Liberalism isn't based on meritocracy or really anything it's basically just institutionalised entropy. It denies the nation a coherent identity and leaves it defenceless. So I agree that liberalism must be opposed, and the only alternative is fascism.
>>526175481I understand anon. What YOU have to understand is that what you described only works for certain people, and does not work for other certain people. Libertarianism has this weird idea all people are equal in behavior, fundamentally it’s a homo economicus argument. Problem is whites require a different system of government than feral niggers from Africa. No amount of contract law will change an African nation into a glorious paradise. Also you cannot have a functioning society where people just “live their lives” there has to be a higher collective purpose (I understand this makes you squeamish to hear) but it’s the reality of the situation.
>>526174970I believe left and right are meaningful labels and refer to the rejection/acceptance of hereditary differences in social status. This is the most meaningful definition imo
>>526175481apart from most of this being liberal moral assertions rather than facts, again we did this yesterday""the state" in the most fundamental sense is inextricable from higher human existencelike i said earlier the solitary man in the forest has nothing - language, morality, art, arguably even rationalityall of these things proceed from volk, not individuals"libertarianism fails on a conceptual level. society is not a collection of equal, autonomous individuals. it is and therefore must be conceived of as an organic whole.
>>526175806I guess my point is that meritocracy is what these people on the “classical liberalism” side of things will point to to justify their policy of infinite third world migration. Sure they may not believe it and might just be trying to shut down any opposition but fundamentally it doesn’t matter, there is a certain logic to it. This is literally the argument Elon musk made for more H1B visas in the US. “We just want the best and brightest” no we don’t want third world geniuses, sorry, I don’t care how smart they are. Watch any recent Jordan Peterson video and he endlessly repeats that we just need merit based society again and this will fix our problems as opposed to DEI, but my point is the logic of merit is the path to destruction. I think we agree on the prescription though.
>>526166270Bro if your ideology requires you to be a stateless pussy don't be shocked when a big state dick fucks you.
>>526176373then you are simply categorising yourself as a reactionary within a liberal political ontology rather than rejecting liberalism altogether. that was the point of european third positionism/fascismalso I think even that definition is kind of outdated. it would kind of make sense to hold the line on that in 1790s France but in 2026 UK? what hereditary differences? are you going to bat to defend the privileges of the house of lords?the point about conservatism is that you are fighting rearguard actions and will eventually lose. the point of fascism is to build a new order.
>>526175933>Libertarianism has this weird idea all people are equal in behavior,No, it doesn't. It sets an unchanging bar that it expects people to get over before it doles out rewards. You're "equal" when you get over the bar. The only flaw the system has shows its self when people get complacent and let in communists. Narcissistic faggots get past the filter and start slowly changing the system from the inside until it turns into Crony Capitalism or some other form of socialism. This is why, on top of Libertarian, I am staunchly also anti-Communist/Marxist (anti-meritocracy).
>>526166270Libertarians:>2016: Serious>2026: Shill
>>526171755>Migration is profitable so let's abolish corpsIf the profit motive is driving my race to extinction than it must either be put under control of the people like how they do it in China or it must be abolished entirely yea
>>526176463they will use any justification anon, I agree libertarianism is bad because it makes white people susceptible to bullshit arguments like meritocracy but the real reason for mass migration is jewish power (and their economic system of usury based parasitical capitalism)
>>526176845>No, it doesn't. It does. This is the only way that libertarian universal “human rights” can exist where every single subhuman nigger and retards is afforded unlimited negative liberty so they can deal drugs with impunity while the government can do nothing to stop it
>>526166270Please feel free to gtfo to Argentina where your designated hairdo leader rules
>>526177208I just fucking explained it all in two posts and you are too retarded to read. Thank you for proving my original point about tards itt.
>>526176845>anti meritocracy Then I would argue you are no longer libertarian. Go listen to a Reason podcast and they’ll tell you that actually it’s quite good that we let in the smart Indians because you see this makes GDP line go up. Also you might understand race but libertarianism as an ideology does not because it says race does not matter, in reality it’s one of the most important aspects of humanity. I’ll reiterate, you cannot have a cohesive society when you let in feral third worlders. Blood and soil are what matter and libertarians reject this presupposition altogether.
>>526177329I’m not reading your screed bitch. Libertarianism in practice is just classical liberalism with guns and gay buttsex
>>526177329>no responsei feel left out anon
>>526166270Collective organization is infinitely more powerful than atomized individuals.
>>526166270Because this is infinitely more baZed than being happy about having an ineffective/nonexistent government>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Ztie1-v7s>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eGo-NEcEVI&t=1s
>>526176401Libertarianism isn't flawed, people are. See >>526176845100% of humanity's problems are caused by humans. So the answer is to stop humans from causing problems. A good majority of these problems can be unironically solved by eradicating communism and marxist thought. These attract malignant narcissists like white liberal women to niggers, and since malignant narcissists would break their leg to get free stuff or otherwise destroy society when it doesn't provide.>>526177440I argue all the time that simply believing random bullshit outside the core structure of Libertarianism makes you a poser, like the NAP. This doctrine is basically an attempt of wannabe subversive tyrants at defanging a philosophy that would shoot them out of principle. It is Liberty when I am justified in shooting people that have no business being on my property for any reason. That's enough for me to reject shit doctrine like that. It is a fact that Libertarianism has been attacked almost as hard as Christianity these past few decades. Its all about destroying merit (and God) in the end. So no, I respectfully will not listen to podcasts or anyone else who doesn't share my views.
>>526166346FPBP
>>526173774>There can be no liberty without orderThat's a bingo.
>>526178499Why are you gay?
>>526166270What would be halfway between Libertarian and Anarchist be?
>>526178499I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
>>526178788Cuz I fucked your dad last night.
>>526178788Checked
>>526178499but you didn't respond the point anon. i am saying the libertarian view of society is wrong on a conceptual level. to think of society as composed of autonomous individuals and proceed from that basis to form our conception of the good is fundamentally flawed. societies exist as organic wholes, you cannot meaningfully abstract the individual from the society and use that as the basis for laws, rights etc. as the individual is produced by his cultural-historical context. to put it one way the good for the society is the good for the individual, but the reverse is not necessarily true.
>>526166270jewsis it your first day here?serious question
>>526166270>explain the downfall of EuropeCapitalism and United States imperialism
>>526166346As a European I’ve always found this American 2 party system stupid and I always knew both your parties are controlled and paid by Israel
>>526179770The difference in Europe being you get 4 or 5 jewish-run parties which then have to form cohenalitions (doomed to fail)
>>526179348We are agreeing with each other, britanon. But I am framing Libertarianism as a tool. And as a tool, it ultimately is up to the people wielding it whether it works likes its supposed to or not.It is ultimately a set of guidelines people must follow so that the individual and society can mutually benefit one another while filtering out those who are incompatible. But it won't do anything if people do not use it, use it inappropriately or fail to maintain it like every machine. If what's good for an individual is not good for the society at large, then the only recourse is to find an alternative. Unfortunately, nothing is free and benefits ultimately come with costs. Consequences, whether they are the rewards of doing the right thing or otherwise, are eternal. When engaging with a system, you have to adhere to the boundaries and conditions it sets to reap the rewards it provides. This is a natural fact of life but I can see how that could be considered a flaw.
>>526177004Socialist states are inefficient and unstable because people are mad at being dirty poor. The based nazbol white state will end like USSR or Venezuela
>>526177978Soviet Union collapsed and Iran lost all it's proxies since October 7, who the fuck is the third guy >>526177004Profit motive is a proxy for economic efficiency, socialist state would import migrants, not to increase profits but to increase their internal efficiency metrics instead, dysfunctional socialist British healthcare systems is the prime example
>>526176730> but in 2026 UK? what hereditary differencesThese are all directly relevant to modern politics. Race, gendern - obvious onesFinancial inheritance - inheritance taxIQ, "good parents priveledge" - progressive income tax justification Genetic sustainability for disabilities that makes one a PIP recipient.
