>Refuses the militariseWtf is our problem?
>>526194901Simple as'
>>526194901Since all the white countries unified we have no natural predator anymore. Makes us lazy.
>>526194901can't militarize and offer free social services to the army of shitskins coming in every years at the same time
Militarise to stop the shitskin invasion, right?Oh no, just to kill more white people for the benefit of sandniggers.
because the eu thought someone else (usa) will fight our wars.
>>526194901You should definitely militarize the German-lead European hegemony.
>>526194901Euros prefer to keep their comfy social democratic welfare states with strong public services rather than start allocating the budget towards military. A military won't stop low birth rates and demographic replacement via immigration anyway.
>>526195398Ooops, forgot picrel
>>526194984Except we now have not one, but two very large predators trying to 'Poland' us.Yet no one lifts a finger and no voices are made for rearmament.There is something fishy going on. This is neither reasonable nor logical behaviour. Any historical situation that mirrors now would have resulted in rapid militarisation.
The Netherlands is absolutely militarisering right now. They are growing the military to 200k people. Which is like more than four times what it's now.
>>526194901The EU needs to federalize and unify its army.Every country can spend even 5% on defense but it's still going to be weak and dysfunctional military that can't beat the US, Russia, China or even India.The only serious country here is France because they got nukes. But I doubt they would help others with them.If America nuked Denmark or Russia nuked us would the French people really retaliate? No. They'd have a month-long debate and and still say Hmm.. Not our problem.
>>526194901because the european union>a) is a trade bloc>b) doesnt collect taxes>c) doesnt have an armed forces>d) has a budget 3x smaller than my tiny ass nationIt's like no-one knows anything about politics on this retarded fucking board
>>526195689USA would calm their tits if every member state of NATO paid their actual share of what they're supposed to pay.That's the crux of the debate moron.I used the EU image because Canada isnt the problem, it's the EU members of NATO.
>>526195824And we do? In 2014 we made the commitment to spending at least 2% of gdp by 2025, which is what happened. Every single country made it. What the fuck is the problem? That some waited at last moment to reach it? Should have committed to something else then
the eu really does nothing against foreign interference of that seeks to influence public opinion, except for repressing dissident voices. thats been one of the biggest issues for europe. the eu got hooked on political correctness, which is punishing everything that doesnt follow the correct interpretation of things. its no longer about facts and tangible real world factors. its all about symbolic gestures and virtue signalling. this lead to the eu being filled up with people that share the so called 'correct' interpretation but dont have the competencies to change anything.
>>526195824Individual European countries can't ever afford to have armies that can take on superpowers. I don't think that any country in Europe has systems that are capable of trying to intercept ICBMs.My country likes to pretend that we take military stuff seriously with our conscription and everything. But guess how many soldiers we were able to muster for the Greenlandic military exercise.Two (2). That's the sum of Finnish power projection to defend actual European land. If it was a real war their plane or ship would probably get shot down.
>>526194984It isnt unification. You became our vassals
The EU is a failed project due to all its bureaucracy. Anyone who says naïve shit like "the EU would be good if it changed" doesn't realize that once bureaucracy sets in, it's impossible to remove without violence.
>>526196406Are you truly that stupid? You sent staff officers/quarter masters. Officers that are sent ahead to make preparations for a mission for operational units.
>>526195481>>526195398There is no German hegemony
>>526196439What do you think unification means? There is no requirement for it to be peaceful, equal, or whatever. When that happens it's weird actually.
>>526196694It can be argued.Germany practically finance the EU, so they have the biggest say on what happens.How do you think we ended up with the 2015 migration crisis? German politicians started to boss around the Mediteranian states to aid rather than prevent migrants.Samr with the Greek financial crisis around 2008, which would have been easily solved if the Greeks simply changed currency, but the Germans went battering ram on their political decisions and told them to endure so they dont "risk" the EU.
>>526194901https://www.notmytaxdollars.org/Healthcare is expensive and it's that or the military. Usually most countries just lean on the US for both and pocket their tax payer money, splitting it with US politicians
>>526195689and yet the EU laws supersede our ownit is a jokewe have surrendered our national autonomy to an entity which doesn't even have an armyand an army is all that matters in this worldit is 100% a Jewish invention to subvert European nations, and they will never let it militarize, because that would defeat its purpose
>>526195537>two very large predators trying to 'Poland' us.If you mean the burgers and the vatniks that's just fear mongering. The burgers already have troops stationed and favourable trading agreements, they won't alianate us by becoming physically hostile and the vatniks aren't suicidal enough to try their luck with us. The Chinese are too far away and the Muslims are infighting too much. Also even if everything where to give then the French still have enough nukes to make physical confrontations just not worth it. If our situation ever worsens then we'll still have the know-how and production capabilities to ramp up combat readiness in next to no time, even though that woudn't be pretty. tldr I'm not worried
>>526196439What the leaf said. Doesn't matter the details, we all sing the same (kiked) song, though I wish it'd be a different one.
>>526197575>the burgers and the vatniks that's just fear mongering.>they won't alianate us by becoming physically hostile>the vatniks aren't suicidal enough to try their luck with us. Holy shit you assume a lot.I think I found the answer to my OP.(You)
>>526197692I don't assume, I know my value as a live man and trading partner and those of my European peers.
>>526198002Yes you do assume a lot.You assume the burgers wont try something funny, knowing that the EU will eventually bend because we depend on USA.You assume Ivan is afraid of us.You assume France will launch their nukes or even get involved if Ivan suddenly attacks an eastern EU member, as Finbro put it in >>526195652
How will you fund univeral healthcare for Syrians if you have to upkeep an army?
>>526198341I know the burgers won't try something funny because their humour sucks. I know Ivan is afraid of us because their warfare sucks. I know France will launch their nukes for Poland because when things have gone sideways so severely that that's even an option then we're all with our backs against the wall and that's the situation they have their nukes for. I'm still not scared bro.
>>526194901It turns out most EU leaders understand their chances of actually defeating Russia in open combat are exactly fucking zero. So theres an idiotic game of who wants to go first. None of them do. Meanwhile Russia is like hey fuck faces we didn't send arms and money to attack you, you got that ass backwards. And you keep telling your people Russia is going to storm it's miltary might Europe anyday now. Russia was content to sell you dumbasses cheap gas. And when the American's blew up the cheap gas, like a collective of morons, you all thanked America.
>>526194980lol amerisharts are just debtmaxxing until nuclear war kills us all.
>>526198748>I know the burgers won't try something funny because their humour sucksOk, and if USA went in tonight with an armed force and planted their flag on Greenland, even with zero casualties, what exactly is the EU response?We dont militarise. We depend on USA. We're not going to attack those US soldiers on Greenland to take it back, starting a war. There's just going to be a bunch of condemnation but in the end nothing happens. NATO is still preserved and Denmark has to accept the loss of Greenland>I know Ivan is afraid of us because their warfare sucks.Except they're winning against Ukraine despite the fact that we've given our entire stockpile of arms away.And Ivan knows that the average German person can never stomach what Ukranian soldiers have endured. Hell, I question the morale of our men if we had swapped places with Ukraine. The average European zoomer, woman and migrant are weak and disloyal enough to say "fuck this" if they were drafted for drone trench warfare, they never believed in nationalism to begin with, and nationalism is required to endure the meatgrinder.>I know France will launch their nukes for PolandIt's more likely that Russia would invade the Baltics, since they have a sizeable Russian minority (Estonia is like 20% Russian). They could likely pull off a 2-day operation since there is far less distance than there was to reach Kiev.I'm not trying to be an alarmist, but it makes no fucking sense to me to just assume that it could never happen.And why assume? What for? Why this nonchalant attitude? What exactly is it that makes militarisation so repulsive to the average Euro?
>>526194984oh, you do have a predator... i remember as a hapa living in germany and europeans not just germans were walking on egg shells around me making sure they were decent human beings and civilized adults in land they're from that they were afraid of losing and being punished by "outsiders" sent by god to punish them for sins maybe like the holocaust... while in america, every fucking boomer white trash hypocrite expects "natives" or "mexicans" or "chinks" such as myself to not only babysit their white faggot sons or kids and let them act like they're fake and gay asses are my boss since they weren't allowed to do that to their nigger monkey family, while being scolder by boomers for even considering any sexual mischievnous with their precious coddled little white faggot kids or even daughters since that's only for the dumb black monkeys of theirs that they brought to a invasive species on lands theyre native to while also being expected to babysit their dumb black nigger monkey slaves and even expected to racemix with the subhumans because as wypipo or outsiders, it was "manifest destiny" from god to send wypipo to punish the natives on their own land in the americas and to humiliate them because the natives were "noble savages" which was really so much more evil than hitler or making their stupid black monkeys pick cotton
>>526199776and that's why natives or spics or chinks lost their lands and are being punished by "god" with wypipo and their stupid nigger pets
>>526194901By what means? To militarize you need to reindustrialize. Good job with such financial conditions, cut off from cheap resources and with self cucked energy generation thanks to whole green retardation and giving up the nuclear.
>>526198775But they are spending more and bringing back conscription in many countries. It just takes time to build up your war industry and convince people during peace time.
>>526197012Germany is like Greece to Rome. So what if they have money. They are occupied and compromised.
Who elects these EU overlords?
>>526194901As an American I strongly believe that Europe should militarize and BTFO those ziggers back to Mongolia. USA+Rearmed Europe would be a ten-thousand-year pairing.
why are the noble savages of indigenous natives being punished by "god" with stupid faggot outsiders like wypipo and their stupid faggot monkey niggers? because they wouldn't have gay sex with their stupid fucking farm equipment like in columbus georgia
>>526194901The problem over here is that we are the complete opposite of united.We have some common shit going on, but at the end of the day we are way to different. Different cultures, languages, laws and regulations, different priorities, different beliefe in what is important and what is not.That is why we dont have the pros that The US has. That country has figured out the most basic shit ever that is needed for something to work, and that is that you need to be a team regardless of how different opinions one might have.Imagine if we in Europe was as polarized as they are in The US. It would be completely fucked and people would shoot and kill each other and worse. In The US they have some clash, but damn, those burgers keep it cool and considering how big that country is, I am proud of them being able to keep together the way they do at the end of the day.Then look at us over here. We are not united at all. Hell, we dont even agree on Ukraine or Russia or who is best and worse and what should we do to stop it or whatever. The leaders we have over here is completely useless. They are so useless that they need The US from aaall over the other side of the Atlantic, fly back and forth and back and forth in negotiations and what not for a country on the opposite part of the world. Even neighbor countries over here cant help out, not even in a diplomatic way. Its just talk and shit and no action. We will never be able to create a military or superpower of any kind over here. Just imagine if we did and we had to start discussing whos nuclear umbrella we should be under. Hell no one here is going to put anyone under any umbrella. The only reason things have not turned into a clusterfuck over here is because of the involvement of The US.Again, they keep it cool over there, while over here people just whine and cry for every single shit.People can say what they want about Trump and I dont like him either, but fuck me, that ompa lompa at least do shit.
>>526200222EU has essentially 3 power structures.1. The parlament (the pic)Repesentatives are elected by every EU citizen every 4th year. We elect these individuals like it's a national election2. The council Basically a gathering of all the prime ministers and other ministers of each respective memberstate, that have their own little parlament.Technically we elect these people as well, since they wouldnt be sitting in that room unless they won the election in their native country and became its government.3. The CommissionThe EU representatives from the parlament (number 1) elect these. Probably the one branch where we the commoners have no real say.
>>526201082The US is only able to "keep it together" because we have a federal system (even then we're having problems). I'd argue that from an ideological basis--and especially a demographic one--the US has MUCH more tension than Europe.
>>526201082i bet if you asked americans the question "do you think america will still exist in 30 years?" most non boomers will answer "no"
>>526201784100000000% this lmaoAt it's surface the US is just a vehicle by which whites subsidize browns. There's a great country buried below the refuse, one which I'd like to see unearthed, but as of now the situation is bleak. Imagine if Mexico decided to annex Cali and Texas, they have the population numbers to do it. We'd lose a huge chunk of our economy and industry overnight.
>>526199344>What exactly is it that makes militarisation so repulsive to the average Euro?Our elites have spent the last several decades stamping out any nationalism and destroying society with retarded ideologies.
>>526199776>>526199932absolutely seething lmao
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>>526204628Well... that's alarming...
