If pro-capitalist types believe in complete free trade, then whats even the point of believing in nations at all? Like if you think that anything should be able to go in and out of borders, whats even the point of the state to begin with?
the only people that believe in free trade are dumb amerimutts. anyone with half a brain knows that free trade is a myth. This uncle Tom university negro is a joke.
>>526221800A country is more than an economic zone.Capitalism doesn't mean open borders, it means no taxes for citizens.
didnt you ever hear anon talk of economic zone this and thatwell, thats what he meantcountries are not yet obsolete, provided they are continental in magnitude, but if youre smaller this already happened
>>526221939>Capitalism doesn't mean open bordersit literally does mean that. That and usury.
>>526221893He's not really a joke, per se. His beliefs are consistent within the frame he has adopted, but only within that frame. Capitalism and economics, unless forced to, make no accounting for human rights and dignity. This is the problem in a nutshell: classical capitalist economists imagine economics as a thing held separately from society -- a kind of orphan progress which exists to optimize efficiency in a vacuum. People increasingly reject this view and think economics should serve the people rather than being a fully secular, nihilistic optimization function.
>>526221800Everything isn't about money...
>>526221800Nations exist regardless of whether or not you believe in them. Just because free trade is beneficial to prosperity and freedom doesn't mean that every nation will adopt such policies.
>>526221992Nope, you're wrong. This is what it means:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmcmauM78FE
>>526221893you jews need to go back into the ovens for annoying me with these stupid fucking black monkeys of yours that admit literally every god damn second that i'm online that they had no god damn desire to be into sports, only bitching about racism and politics as annoying subhuman monkeys because the world shouldnt want free trade with rootless subhumans like you fucking kikes infesting the world and bringing stupid monkeys everywhere with you
>>526221800capitalism has failed
>>526221800Huh? Middle school take.
>>526222009He believes that the fake economic system the US empire has placed actually means free trade. The US empire has to use power and threats to keep the system alive. This dumb nigger actually believes in freedom and all of that libertarian nonsense. Only the shallow American mind can believe in such things.
>>526222036>Ayn Randdo kys
>>526222025just, cool it with the antisemitic remarks
>>526221800Capitalism is cool. Until industrialized warfare came about. Now weapons manufacturing corporations depend on government contracts. "Free trade capitalism" is about Israelis selling US arms to Russians. Or Israelis selling US weapons to China. Or Elon musk buying a bunch of f-16's and giving them to orianna.
>>526221800Nations exist to serve purposes of which economic prosperity is one among several elements for social cohesion
>>526222164the MIC and its consequences have been as much of a disaster as usury and abrahamism
>>526221800>pro-capitalist types believe in complete free trade,False premise Just because I support capitalism and free trade doesn't mean I'm a parody anarcho capitalist that supports orphan child organ mills and the organ trafficking trade.
>>526221800Capitalism simps don't actually believe in Capitalism. They believe in using the nations of the world to enrich themselves and they believe in using nationalism to protect themselves from other countries enforcing laws against them.Public plunder, Private protection.Its the same trick theyve been pulling since Capitalism was called mercantilism.
>>526222072>He believes that the fake economic system the US empire has placed actually means free trade. The US empire has to use power and threats to keep the system aliveWow. It's almost as if low entropy systems collapse into high entropy systems if they're not maintained. Almost as if that's a physical law of the universe or something.You fucking midwit retard kike.
>>526222385but then it's not free is it?
>>526222264Trafficking implies criminality, but what's wrong with a market for organs assuming mutual consent from the buyers and sellers?They're not your organs so by what right can you prevent the sale?
>>526222164i mean capitalism basically came hand in hand with industralization
>>526221800Free trade is not the same as no borders or no racism.
>>526222317>They believe in using the nations of the world to enrich themselves and they believe in using nationalism to protect themselves from other countries enforcing laws against them.What kind of retard doesn't want to enrich themselves and doesn't want to be protected from the arbitrary laws of retarded foreign powers.>Israel decrees all goyim must be circumcised on pain of death>Well time to cut off my foreskin, because expecting my country to protect me from being prosecuted by another country is bad apparently.
>>526222493>hand in hand with industralizationnot true. The USSR industrialized bigly in the 20s and 30s and it maintained a socialist system.
>>526222446What part of the phrase "orphan child organ mills" implies mutual consent to you?
Notice how you don't hear protectionists advocating for inter-city tariffs and particularly high tariffs anymore like in the olden days
>>526221800Wanting the right to buy or sell anything and take it in or out my house doesn't mean granting all niggers the right to enter my house.
>>526222669tariffs are meant to protect local industries. The west doesn't have any anymore.
>>526222633Nothing, but that's not free trade, that's the most extreme form of slavery which of course by definition shuns freedom.That's why I ask about the case of mutual consent. What's your answer to that?
>>526222437Freedom does not grant an escape from moral responsibility. Maybe kikes like you equate freedom with draining the blood of Christian children to make your matzos and will accept nothing less, but human beings understand that freedom is always bound by limitations.
>>526222770>freedom is always bound by limitationsTrue freedom already has morality embedded in it. If you need to limit freedom then this freedom is defective.And i'm not Jewish you braindead mutt cracker.
>>526222760>Nothing, but that's not free trade, that's the most extreme form of slavery which of course by definition shuns freedom.Right. The idea is to demonstrate that OP is a retard that doesn't understand that free trade doesn't mean do whatever the fuck you want.
>>526222834But obviously you can't criticize free trade by using an example of slavery.Free trade doesn't imply what you suggested, so what would you say about the alteration I suggested that would make it actually free?
>>526222537He's talking about the industrial revolution not industrialization you fucking midwit faggot.No shit, once industry is developed as a concept any backwards shithole can just unpack a lathe made by a superior civilization and kickstart their own industrial development. The point is that they had to get uplifted by a superior civilization to do it, while the Western society that embraced capitalism did by themselves.
>>526222922>But obviously you can't criticize free trade by using an example of slaveryHow is that obvious.Libertarian ethos is not inherently a part of the idea of free trade which is a concept that can be expanded and contracted at will depending on the individual's definition of what it means to be free.If OP had said anarcho-capitaliss he would have a point but he didn't, he said pro-capitalist types. Not every pro capitalist is an anarchist. Not everyone who thinks friendly nations should trade freely between each other, believes that trade should be tolerated with enemy nations.
>>526223372Well maybe some weirdos would argue that slavery is ackshully freedom but those are literally opposites so I think sane honest English speakers like us can disregard their definitions regardless of whatever semantic games they're playing.Anyway, what about a legitimate organ trade? You've avoided commenting on that.
>>526221800Nations are about cultural customs, countries are about military might.States should be separated from the economy like they are separated from religion in civilized countries.
>>526221800>what's even the point National identity. We aren't open border, or boarderless fags. But but you trade everything, what's the point? Those things are not mutually exclusive.
>>526221800free market capitalism was proven to be failed theory in 2008every "free enterprise" conservative in DC voted for the bank bailouts
>>526223694Not only did no one go to jail for 2008, no one was even punished at all. What message does that send to capital if not "go ahead dude"? Subprime lending is still a thing. Junk debt is still a massive class of paper assets firms use to prop up their reserves on paper. Not only have we learned nothing but we've continued to provide incentive to do the exact same fucking thing.
>>526221800We're nazis here not lolbert or neocons.
>>526223694Do you think bailouts are a feature of a free market?
>>526223926Nazis are the village idiots here. Along with some random Israelis kek.
State is always and only parasitic.
>>526221800What is a race and a culture of people on a soil?Is that the country?What does trade have to do with nations anyway?You sound Jewish!
>>526222033>Nations exist regardless of whether or not you believe in them.False. State is a memetic parasite, it quite literally only exists in your mind
>>526221800They are not believing in nations
>>526223985You sound like a whiny sissy.
>>526221800Capitalists believe in economic zones they are the just the otherside of the same kabalistic jewish coin.
>>526224314I wouldn't talk at all if my ID was pink.
>>526222317All liberal ideologies are socialist. Capitalists are socialist for the wealthy (centralized regulation, bailouts, protected class status, etc). Leftists are socialists for the poor (means of production seized or redistributed, welfare gibs, open border migration, etc). Only fascists harness national identity + market based economics for national interest, not globalism, socialism, or parasitism.
>>526224469Dull.Physical goods require active force simply to maintain ownership, trust-based assets require trusted third parties (TTPs) to operate them. Storing abstract economic value in either enables negative sum actors (NSAs) to parasite as negative sum actors can specialize exclusively in force, taking physical goods by force and either coercing TTPs, or using force to BECOME the TTP (the origin of State). Positive sum actors had to either reduce their own production to make time for murdering/imprisoning/exiling NSAs, pay extortion to them, or employ positive sum actors specializing in force (police/military), however, as abstract economic value was seizable, there was a constant selection pressure for these "immune cells" to turn malignant.Hence the cyclic nature of empire/nation growth and decay, positive sum actors build, negative sum actors corrupt and destroy, NSAs are excised & PSAs rebuild from the ashes. As can be seen, PSAs have been at a HUGE disadvantage to NSAs through history, the best “solution” we had come up with pre-BTC was Plato’s Benevolent Philosopher King, a perfectly trustworthy trusted third party, do you have any Benevolent Philosopher Kings lying around? Not a real solution.But by placing abstract economic value beyond the veil of voluntarity, positive sum actors can reverse the advantage. Satoshi has “fixed the glitch”, NSAs will no longer be able to parasite “so it'll just work itself out naturally”. No force, no confrontation, necessary.Bitcoin obsolesces coercion, achieving Voluntarism not via an impossible to implement memeshit “non-aggression principle”, but by removing the TTP NSAs have been exploiting.
Free trade only works with countries of similar iq, race, salaries and hok prices so basically benelux and thats it
>>526221992Capitalism-communism. Same coin alright
>>526224682Crypto-fagging isn't a viable solution since you can't avoid the fact that tangible assets are still required for power and survival, and will always be able to be seized/distributed/whatever. Bitcoin itself isn't even immune to this as mining requires hardware and electricity (controllable, also currently beyond individual scale and access), exchanges can be regulated, sometimes hacked or crash entirely, and governments can simply ban or restrict their use. Bitcoin is just as memeshit as the NAP and all other libertarian attempts at organizing complex economies.
>>526221800We should convince leftists to burn their documentation like SSN and birth certificate.
>>526224993You are literally retarded. _Socialism_ _may_ work (it's far from being proven) in uniform societies. Trade works always as BOTH sides of an exchange benefit from it. They fucking voluntarily trade in first place because they BOTH recognize it as beneficial.
I blame literal 80 IQ chimpanzees who cannot even imagine what an economic development is and they can only think it terms of stealing shit from others. Nazis and the like that is. Niggers, Israelis, etc.
The State has always been an unstable, transitory form. It hasn't been around for long in it's currently 'defined' state. It's porous and fluid, a swarm-body (largely now made and reproduced by Capital) like any other institutional structure. It will erode and transform into a new weird form. It is already happening with the degradation of language and the obsolescence of nationalism (you could argue nations have just rebranded themselves as corporations)>>526224682Is US interventionism the definition of a TTP? LOL
>>526225829i think thats really interesting. how the state hasnt been around long in its modern structure and how capital is just using it
>>526226429The state is a purely parasitic organization, it could have possibly emerged only AFTER we were already developed enough to produce substantial surplus of food - and tools.
>>526225170False. Game theory it out dumdum.NSAs are trivially outcompeted denied a TTP to mask themselves, remember: PSAs create, NSAs do not create. The trusted third party of money has always been the primary and most valuable TTP exploited by NSAs, as money provides essential signaling for the superorganism so must exist, BTC provides this signaling trustlessly, an incorruptible tally board, a fair ledger, entropy does the rest.>regulateState is subordinate not superordinate to the superorganism, slavemind.
>>526221893Yea right this nigger has been shutting down feminism and niggertry for decades.
>>526221800Let's say you share a house with a few friends. Bringing goods should be mostly fine to do even without asking the others so long as they aren't a bother to the rest (and even then, most of the goods that go straight to your room aren't almost ever seen by your friends). Bringing guests, whether for a day or longer, is something that your friends should have a right to approve beforehand.
>Israel flag 8 pbtid
OP 'topic' is a meaningless ideological wankfest>>526223694>>526223893>>526223979Capitalism (any variety) died and went to heaven permanently forever in 2008. Since then, all HNW entities, corporations, asset markets, sovereign governments, hedge funds etc. are totally dependent on infinite supplies of debt note fiat currency QE from private central banks to keep from instant implosion.Whatever this is 2009—2026, isn't 'capitalism'.the post 1970s global economy is Financialized. (Phase 1 of global Financialization of economics and all worldwide economic action was completed with 1999 repeal of Glass-Steagall, when global investment banks—the Primary Dealers for central banks—officially became casinos.)Central banks, not governments, rule the Earth and you are slaves to their infinitely-issued debt.Money is created as debt. Speculative debt instruments generate all of today's global wealth.the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities (that 99 percent of us all subsist in) is completely walled off segregated from the Financialized economy and may as well not exist.The Money Delugehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m49vNjEGs97% Owned — How is money createdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4YoThis is the framework for how the world is controlled and run (not 'muh ideology', muh capitalism, or even muh austrian economics<---all bullshit after the 1990s) and from which *all wealth power and control* is created and flows.>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."— Nick Dearden, quoted in the documentary '97% Owned'
>>526221800what is the etymology of the word "capitalism"
>>526224469You need to stop concerning yourself with the opinions of western "leftists". They are not serious political actors and their beliefs are not representative of the way that actual communist countries are run. They are not welfare states and they are certainly do not practice open border policies. They are often highly patriotic and yes, they put the needs of the nation before everything else as well. Why do you think socialist countries are so fond of nationalising their resources? So fond of state owned companies? Why do they refuse to participate in the global banking system? To protect the nation, first and foremost. Socialism cannot exist without nationalism.
>>526222091god, I hate Israelis
>>526221800>If pro-capitalist types believe in complete free trade,That's retarded. This "free trade" retardation is pushed by kikes and London bankers. Translating. What this means is this: 1. A company is free to not pay taxes2. A company or bank is free to create monopolies 3. "A company is free to hide their profits in british offshore banks". Obviously we (and every gov in the world) have a taxation system , and anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_lawhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law
>>526221800Ultracapitalist here. The point of the government in that case is to enforce laws regarding ownership, prevent stealing, and killing. It would be a fine idea in principle because essentially you would have communities form that would obey different ethics, and different economic structures... and the communities that had the best ethics, and the best rulers would become wealthy because they maximized the productivity of the population. And that subset of the country would grow, and therefore the country would grow strong. And basically, the people in power in the country would be the best rulers who properly activated the people to work and procreate and be functional
>>526222059>capitalism has failedAgree. They have been printing unlimited Trillions , mass enriched themselves and mass bankrupted everybody else with Inflation. Once you allow capitalists (or banks) to print free money / generate money out of nothing, they will print themselves unlimited trillions until they bankrupt everybody else.
>>526232052>Ultracapitalist here.>And basically, the people in power in the country would be the best rulers who properly activated the people to work and procreate and be functional So tell me buddy. How are you going to stop CORRUPTION?If Capitalists are there to earn the most money possible. How are you going to find best rulers, and not the corrupt friends of capitalists who would cancel all laws and regulations with the goal for capitalists to make the most money? How are you going to stop what we have now? Cheap chinese crap, and poisoned food?
>>526230695>Whatever this is 2009—2026, isn't 'capitalism'.Sure it is. Capitalism is a system which operates beyond the abstraction barrier you've erected. It is an economic system in which labor has no intrinsic value beyond what firms are willing to pay. Its friendliness to financial abstraction games is not a corruption but a logical byproduct of the detachment of value from labor. If value becomes intangible, why can assets not become purely intangible as well? If the market doesn't panic and melt down with paying for abstract goods representing abstract goods with abstract currency, well, the gravy train only accelerates. 2008 waa a symptom of capital capture of government -- of the regulated writing their own regulations and then adjudicating the fallout of their own actions. It is the only high-level lens through which it all makes sense: capital launders its own self-governance through bought and paid-for political intermediaries. In reality, this is capitalism rampant and unrestricted; it is a world in which capitalism has become not only economic but political.
>>526232357Corrupt how?If he's not fulfilling his contracts, then he's breaking the laws of property. That's the government's job. If he's giving stuff to his friends, that's normal. It's up to you to decide if that is something you don't like. As long as people have the ability to leave the areas owned by the corrupt ones, the problem takes care of itself. If one community is owned by some corrupt guy who's not benefitting the community, then it's up to the people to voluntarily go to a different community. .. and hence give their trust and labor to better communities.
>>526232541>If he's giving stuff to his friends, that's normalNo, that's corruption. Corruption is the use of public power for private benefit. We should expect all public officials to act as such. If you give shit to your friends, you are using the powers of your office but acting as an individual person. If that sounds like a really hard thing to do, it's because it is. We used to expect that of people to which we entrusted power -- to be better than that. We have become a country of exceptionally low expectations, a polity happy to look the other way as long as we get ours. I don't know what's worse, a corrupt politician or a country which deserves him.
>>526221800Ancaps acknowledged this gorillinos of years ago and explain that that is where you draw the line in capitalism, when you start importing foreigners What we see today is actually socialism
>>526221800they don't believe in nations, or else every place on earth would look much more like classical fascism than this globohomo bs
>>526233586Capitalism is actually a misnomer for the British empire. The US is called capitalist by virtue of taking over the English empire for them. Globalism is the financial integration of the English empire into thirdie economies. Communists aren't anti-imperialists, they're counter-imperialists
>>526233206No what you're missing is, there are going to be lots of communities, so any that are too corrupt (according to whatever peoples' standards are), are just going to disappear because everyone is going to leave, they're going to become less and less relevant over time. This system actually gives economic incentive to make people happy and serve the community. If you are corrupt ---> people leave ---> your land devalues ---> you lose power
>>526233744Moving is not frictionless. It is prohibitively difficult to "just leave" if the community leaders are corrupt. Moving is expensive emotionally but also financially, and corruption usually means everyone without corrupt patronage is doing much worse than corruption's beneficiaries. Your idea works in a theoretical frictionless environment in which just leaving comes at zero cost, but the moment that cost rises above zero completely and utterly collapses.
>>526233948>in which just leaving comes at zero cost, but the moment that cost rises above zero completely and utterly collapses.No, that's not true at all. Of course it is not frictionless. It's not frictionless to build an entire community either. You can't just create them out of thin air, that requires a lot of investment on the owners' part too. Earlier you were talking about people who deserve their corrupt rulers, well if they are too lazy to even leave then surely they would be among the people who deserve it. But understand, that system would be radically different than what we have now. There would be services designed to incentivize you to move towards those communities because there is a profit incentive for getting you to go there.
>>526221800i am a free market guy and I want a nationless world, but, before we can have this world, we need to prioritize the improvement of the human genome so that we can handle a borderless world.This means providing genius sperm donation therapy to all so that we can create a new global super intelligent super race.
>>526234199My position is that no one in this country deserves corrupt leadership, and that corruption is both toxic and contagious. No one deserves a corrupt leader, and investment doesn't justify corruption. Again, we used to expect more of the people in whom we entrusted so much power. What is an economy for if not to benefit the people? It is not an immutable texture of reality -- it is purely contingent upon legitimacy and some degree of fairness. Corruption, by definition, is illegitimate and unfair. I can't understand where the breakdown is here.
>>526234505You're saying corruption is by definition unfair, but your determination of what is unfair is subjective to you. And some people will say the behavior is bad, and others will say it is OK. The entire point is that people disagree on what is good and what is bad, what is corrupt, or what is legitimate... people disagree about it. And i'm saying, let people decide what kind of community they want to live in. And let them decide which kinds of communities they give their life's blood and labor to.
>>526234681>let people decide what kind of community they want to live inBut in corrupt societies, in which "it's normal" to be corrupt, the people don't actually decide, do they? They have no levers to pull which don't involve constant mass migration and social upset. I'm not just saying corruption is "bad" on a moral level -- I choose my words carefully. Corruption is structurally toxic to the fabric of society. This is not a moral claim but of cause and effect. You say people should choose which society in which they want to live and then carefully curate the only levers they can pull. I agree with the sentiment, for the record: the people SHOULD be able to choose the kind of society in which they want to live. This only functions within a structure in which power is balanced, fair, and just. Corruption removes these levers by granting outsized power to those who will maintain it in their own narrow self-interest.
>>526232369>4 pbtid (You) have Absolutely Zero idea of what you're posting about. NonePrice discovery mechanism no longer exists (post-1980s) in capital markets. Most transnational corporations today are shoveling their profits (not into capex improvements of their manufacturing actual brand product output, but) to buybacks of their own stocks to artificially boost and prop up valuations.>labor has no valueBecause all global wealth today is generated from and held in speculative debt instruments. (Not 'capital' or 'labor')(You)—more than any other poster itt—need to watch and study the two documentary films ('The Money Deluge' and '97% Owned') in post replied to.
>Anonymous (ID: tgOQ9txG) 5 pbtid>Anonymous (ID: cxJB2HMD) 5 pbtidTwo bots "arguing" with each other
>>526221800Free markets, not free trade, retarded faggot. Over 200 years of American history stands behind that.
>>526235138I get that you're ideologically attached to capitalism, but if you take a step back you might realize that I've already addressed why terminal financialization is a natural conclusion of capitalism rather than a departure from it. There is no idealized past version of the system to which you (correct me if I'm wrong) want us to return if only, I'm guessing, we can return to the gold standard or adopt crypto or whatever your version of RETVRN might be. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with central banking or fiat currency. Most of these negative outcomes can be attributed to a fundamentally unfair system whose primary mover is institutional capture. This is the natural end state of capitalist economies, where capital becomes an end unto itself and, in the words of Fisher, it becomes easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism. Under these circumstances, which capitalism will reach over and over and over again unless ended, political and economic control become terminally enmeshed.
>>526234964In what you're thinking as the normal form of corrupt society: you have a government and there is nowhere else for the people to go. There are no 'competing' places to go. It's because there is an overarching mega-system of which the local government is just one finger. The mayor doesn't get paid any more money if more people move there. He doesn't give a shit. He's just serving the guy above him and taking what he can get in the meantime. There is not a sense of, if you move to the suburb you are now 'part of the new voluntary community'... that layer of the interaction doesn't exist in a typical society. It's because in a normal country , everywhere you go is the same. But in the capitalist utopia, different communities will be governed by different ETHOS and different cultures, and different laws that you need to agree to to get in.
>>526235783Full disclosure, I have no clue how any of what you wrote directly responds to anything I've said. You keep addressing to me as if there's some deeper secret to corruption you have to "reveal" to me which unlocks... capitalist utopia, I guess? I mean, you said it, right? From the start, I feel like I explained from first principles exactly what is wrong with corruption on the most basic level. I've done my best to address all of the special exceptions you've raised but I'm not feeling like I'm getting much back from you -- this feels like a one-sided discussion where you're talking past me. I'm not sure I want to play whackamole anymore. My argument is that corruption is defined as the use of public privileges as a private individual for private ends -- the entrusting of extra-personal power (be it regulation, office, campaign finance laws, etc.) in private individuals being used not in favor of the people who then use their publicly sanctioned privileges for strictly personal goals. The evidence shows that this doesn't lead to islands of enlightened despots with pilgrims voyaging between them but instead widespread discontent and misery among the many as the few live in opulence. This strikes me an inefficiency that capitalism is not designed to solve.
>>526221800They don't believe in nations. >>526221939Bullshit. Borders are a restriction on free trade and the free movement of labour. Open borders are distinctly Capitalist.
>>526235562 <--tardBot 6 pbit>hurr muh ideologicallyIdeology and adherence to it compartmentalizes your thinking>"nothing intrinsically wrong with central banking or fiat currency"Begone, brainlet bot.>'Capital'Global system 21st century is a debt-based economic model. Price d8scovery mechanism no longer exists (all markets and HNW entities expect anticipate and forecast based on cyclical total bailouts from central bank QE). Unearned income is the primary method by which the global economy's top HNW entities, using debt instruments and debt note fiat currecncies from private central banks, are creating wealth and increasing GDP (which is less and less comprised of actual goods/services while more and more comprised of financialized debt and speculative instruments). Global debt topped $255 trillion in 2019 and $350 trillion in 2025, more than three times the amount of all global economic output. (Fully half of U.S. gov annual $2T deficit is instantly forked to pay nterest on the debt itself, now at $39T magnitude and growing exponentially: in other words, half of America's annual budget today is spent solely for Interest Payments on the debt.) Total debt levels and deficit spending of the past 30 years has eclipsed that of the past few centuries of western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but rather the expectation that they will refinance.
>>526221800>c-capitalists can't discriminate against the lesser races!wealth is the most important thing but it is not the only thing
>>526236418>Open borders are distinctly Globalistftfy
>>526236285They’re really good a pulling the >le capitalism leads to corruptionBut they’ll blame anyone but the actual government for that.
>>526236639So what do we do about it?
>>526236285Ok well I'll try to bridge the gap for you:Very simply, you are appealing to corrupt societies in the past or that we know of. I'm telling you that is a different situation than what you have under the system I'm describing. My example was mainly trying to bring to light the ways in which this system is different than what you're thinking of. Here again in this reply you appeal to 'the evidence' which is taken as I assume some portion of world history. Maybe it would help if you specify an example of the type of corruption you're talking about that might crop up in this society and how moving away wouldn't solve it? It seems to me like your position is that "moving is too hard" something like that.
>>526221800the state should be protecting me and my tax dollars from feral niggers and illegals
>>526221800>If pro-capitalist types believe in complete free trade,Because not everything in life is about trading products.
>>526236418>Borders are a restriction on free trade and the free movement of labour. Open borders are distinctly Capitalist.If it's Capitalism then each country is free to choose whatever favors them the best. Closed borders is the lesson humanity has learned, through thousands of years of civilization.
>>526237085Can you see why it's frustrating to engage with you? I don't need you to bridge the gap for me. I need you to respond to something I've actually said instead of this endless barrage of "what if utopia" pleas. That you are asking me what my position is instead of responding to things I've actually said (I'm verbose -- I say a lot of things) is the part I don't understand. That's the gap I need you to bridge for me... and preferably not in the form of yet another "well, what if bridge?"
>>526236946Beyond control (even of the central bank controllers that are purportedly in control).System is headed for imminent total global permanent collapsePrescient December 2019 panel (one month prior to covid unprecedented never-before-in-human-history global lockdown of all human activity) on the situation of worldwide finance and debt issuance:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHQaxd5N-QEntire world system is dependent (also unprecedented in global human history) on a single default reserve debt note fiat currency denomination—what, if anything, replaces it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-GDP_ratio
>>526237677The problem is you are asking me questions about the system i'm describing to you, but the question is ill formed and you are stubbornly refusing to clarify the question within the context of what i'm describing to you. That's why I asked for a specific example.
>>526236418A country is more than just an economic zone.You didn't understand, did you?Capitalism dictates economic policy, but not immigration policy.
>>526221800I know a few actual libertarians. They don't believe in borders. I will try to reeducate them come DotR, but I know I will probably have to put them down.
>>526237936So... don't eliminate the central banks because there's no point? Don't move to crypto? Don't even buy gold? Not even a single little coin?
>>526239258Do whatever you want, this isn't a personal investment advice discussion or topic
>>526239684Do you own a little gold, anon? Just because its twinkle tickles the eye, of course. It would be perfectly understandable if you did. It's a beautiful metal.
>>526239078>They don't believe in borders.We believe in private borders. Your backyard, your street, your town. Possibly co-owned with your neighbors. You include and you exclude whoever you want from these.We don't believe in state borders because we don't believe is states kek.
>>526221800do you think someone isnt a true capitalist if they put bans on child labor?tired of this idea that le true capitalism means child labor and infinite sweatshops for all time and no bordersi think i want to be able to exchange currency for goods and services and have a few reasonable limitations
>>526239929>child labor and infinite sweatshops for all time and no bordersGlobalism. Corporatist globalismgot its start with the neoliberal policies of Thatcher-Reagan, that offshored the west's manufacturing productive capacity in favor of transnational corporations.(Simultaneously during the 1980s and continued under GHWB's Iran-Contra pal Bill Clinton was the Financialization of the global economic system primarily via the Wall Street / City of London investment banks : see ^^^^upthread)
>>526221800there is none. i am not a nationalist anymore for this reason. mature people realise that there are always tradeoffs in life and this is a tradeoff. i think it is better that we have such a high standard of living but with other people here. "paleolibertarianism" is a dead meme. consistent capitalism/libertarian defenders end up like richard hanania.
>>526221800Free trade is how the Jews keep all nations enslaved. They decide who gets to profit, they decide who gets to lose.
