Now Trump is saying that med prices in the US are high because meds are cheap in Europe, so they have to pay more to compensate or something. And we're freeloading.Something is not quite right with his argument, however. He also says that drug prices in the US are going down like 800%, wouldn't that mean we're suddenly freeloading 800% less? That's huge, why is he still complaining? Kek. It's not like his supporters would ever notice the contradiction, though.In reality, that is not how prices work, drugs can't possibly be expensive in the US to make up for them being cheap in Europe. Very basic knowledge of economics makes this obvious, as well as many things that would make anyone a libertarian if they would know the slightest thing about economics.I'm not saying you have to change your values or your views on what you want society to be like. Or that you have to agree with libertarians on everything or be an ancap. But if you actually read something deeper than internet comments by idiots and understood economics, all of you would 100% be libertarians on some level.Some idiots on this board say they "were libertarians when they were teens". What they were when they were teens was an idiot's idea of a libertarian.
>>526243470>But if you actually read something deeper than internet comments by idiots and understood economics, all of you would 100% be libertarians on some level.If all I read were internet comments, I'd be ancap.If I thought a little bit more than surface-level homo economicus bullshit, and taken in account how many americans need to move from their home states already in order to find employment in other states, as well as how many indians are there compared to any other ethnicity on Earth, I'd instantly arrive to the final conclusion that anarcho-capitalism would mean the ultimate and irreversible jeetification of the entire world and the destruction of the traditions and communities that truly keep humanity together in favour of the division of labour and maximization of utility and atomization of the human condition.Trump is wrong about economics? Yes, he is. Because he is not doing economics. He is doing national security, the oldest function (and still the most important) of the presidential office. I told the same to the american who comes here and complains about Trump's nonsensical economics punishing american citizens with higher prices for the sake of a re-industrialization project that may or may not happen.You are not politically literate if you take what politicians say as face value, and believe that they provide reasoning for any of their actions. In truth, they just act on the will of interest groups. Then reason is post hoc provided for them.He accused my country of ripping the US off despite Brazil being one of the few countries on Earth that the USA has a surplus on. His real reason? He wanted to empower opposition to our pro-China regime. Trump does foreign and national security policy, economics is barely important or sensical.
>>526243470>Some idiots on this board say they "were libertarians when they were teens". What they were when they were teens was an idiot's idea of a libertarian.Any adult political theory begins with the understanding that individuals are born into families, tribes and nations to which they are bound by mutual loyalty.Libertarianism, for being a political theory where individuals are thought to be the same, is inherently wrong. All it takes is a 2-minutes look at the average indian and his 16 brothers to realize this. If you are a libertarian, you have no right to be for closed borders, and you admit that your country is nothing, your history is nothing, and that the descendants of the moors what you conquered it from are as deserving of your nation as you are.Then, as history tells, the fate of Spain would be its destruction, for the only reward of tolerance is treachery and extermination.Trump, in the pursuit of promoting US interests at the expense of reason and even relations with european nations, is acting like a true president. He is entitled, he is irrational, he is aggressive, but he is doing so to favour americans and israelites. His allegiance is to americans and israelites. That is where his loyalties are.
>>526243470Pharm companies like to eat smaller pharm companies, shut down 80% of their factories, then jack the price of medication through the roof citinng availability issues
>>526244394JFL at this.>If all I read were internet comments, I'd be ancap.You would be an idiot's idea of a libertarian, at best. You can't possibly be a libertarian from online comments from idiots because many aspects of economic theory are counter intuitive.I don't think everywhere would be jeetified in an ancap country, I think there would be other ways to preserve local culture, but that's besides the point, I am not talking about being ancap, that's the most extreme form of libertarianism.I am saying that anyone who understands a bit of economic theory would be a libertarian on some level, in the sense that they'd see what some people say about banking, prices, job market, etc, and the measures they suggest, and would think "that's not how it works". Like with the med prices thing.And no, economics are not irrelevant at all, that's stupid.
>>526245016The joke is that the previous owner of the store is called Chuck so if you replace "Sneed" with "Chuck" you get "Chuck's Feed & Seed".
>>526244872>Any adult political theory begins with the understanding that individuals are born into families, tribes and nations to which they are bound by mutual loyalty.>Libertarianism, for being a political theory where individuals are thought to be the same, is inherently wrong.What a retard. If your family is important to you, no libertarian would say that you have to stop talking to them or something. Why would people not have mutual loyalty?Libertarianism also doesn't say individuals are the same. Why would everyone be the same?>If you are a libertarian, you have no right to be for closed borders, and you admit that your country is nothing, your history is nothing, and that the descendants of the moors what you conquered it from are as deserving of your nation as you are.No libertarian says this. By definition a libertarian would support that individuals can team up and protect things they care about. But again you are talking about being ancap which is irrelevant to what I was saying.>Trump, in the pursuit of promoting US interests at the expense of reason and even relations with european nations, is acting like a true president. He is entitled, he is irrational, he is aggressive, but he is doing so to favour americans and israelites. His allegiance is to americans and israelites. That is where his loyalties are.You are so fucking retarded. You are the average person posting stupid comments on the internet.Trump is demonstrably hurting the economy of his country, and I'm pretty sure his foreign policy is even hurting their imperialism too, in the long run. But that's besides the point. I only brought him up to make a point about how bureaucrats think the economy works, and come up with stupid ideas.
>>526245016That makes no sense you imbecile. Look at generic meds. Generic meds are meds that any corporation can produce because they have no patent, aka they are full free market. Look at their prices. No one is doing any of what you retards claim capitalism does.
>>526245091What do you want Trump to say?Trump's discourse is America-centered. He speaks like everything comes from America. America is the main provider of this Earth. Therefore, any privation that America may suffer are a consequence of a treacherous act by a foreign tribe (generally Europe, China, Canada or Mexico). That is the Trump mathematics, America is the one and greatest. All that you have and that you own are actually at the expense of America, as if America had this machine that produces all the goods of mankind, and other nations have been scamming America into sending them their medicine. If you find this nonsensical and ignorant, you are missing the point. The economics of it all do not mattter. What matters is that he tells americans (who in their vast majority, cannot even tell where Spain is on a map and that have never left America) that they were being ripped off, and they are not anymore (thanks to him).
>>526244872>If you are a libertarian, you have no right to be for closed bordersThis.By restricting immigration, the government directly intervenes in labor supply, artificially making it scarce resulting in inflated labor costs.Anti-immigration is anti-free market. If you don't support the unconditional free flow of labor and capital you're literally a communist.
>>526243470>Something is not quite right with his argument, however.no shit, he is totally retarded.
>>526245962Look dude, saying "meds are expensive here because they're cheap somewhere else" is fucking retarded. It's like when leftists blame high prices on corporate greed and price fixing (which just so happens to change based on supply & demand). It means misunderstanding how economics work, and leads to bad policies that create poverty. It's as simple as that. And it was just an example.He is America-centered so somehow that makes it ok to make laws that are bad for americans? Like raising their taxes and calling it "liberation day"? Or coming up with stupid theories about med prices that will lead to policies that solve nothing because the root of the problem is untouched?In Argentina, the left is also patriotic as fuck. They won't shut up about Malvinas, they put the flag everywhere, they are so proud of their country. And look where it got them. Good intentions don't matter if you don't understand economics.
>>526245568>Libertarianism also doesn't say individuals are the same. Why would everyone be the same?All individuals (be they indian, chinese, european, or whatever) from every religion and every tribe are entitled to the same negative rights under libertarianism, no one is entitled to positive rights. You also seem to awfully mistake "libertarianism" the semitic ripoff of the work of Schumpeter and the classical liberals with basic economic literacy, as if libertarianism were "basic economics". Libertarianism is a defunct, atomizing sabotage created by Rothbard while he was not busy defending abortion.>No libertarian says this. By definition a libertarian would support that individuals can team up and protect things they care about. But again you are talking about being ancap which is irrelevant to what I was sayingLibertariansbelieve that you should NOT have the right to stop two other individuals into not doing voluntary trade with one another. Do not do a 'true scotsman' of me into saying only ancaps believe that. >Trump is demonstrably hurting the economy of his country, and I'm pretty sure his foreign policy is even hurting their imperialism too, in the long run. But that's besides the point. I only brought him up to make a point about how bureaucrats think the economy works, and come up with stupid ideas.More news at 11. First came the New Deal from Roosevelt, then came in Keynes's general theory of currency to justify it. Politicians please interest groups, not internet libertarians educated by youtube.Please, please watch this video (Why are americans so stupid?). Then you'll understand why Trump has the economics of someone in kindergarten.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFytCr0VKnU
>>526245979This is bullshit because under a FULLY free market, everywhere would be private property, every street, city etc, and people could get together and say "this is a pajeet free zone".They can't do that because the streets are government property. That is already a government intervention, meaning, it is a fallacy that the government can then fill those places it owns with pajeets or muslims under the pretense of "free labor market".
>>526246628>please, please watch this, then you'll understandLast time I heard this, it ended up being total illiterate bullshit. But because I'm not the same as you, I will still check it out. I don't want to miss a potential chance to learn something relevant.Everything you said is fucking retarded though.>internet libertarians educated by youtubelol
>>526243470>But if you actually read something deeper than internet comments by idiots and understood economics, all of you would 100% be libertarians on some level.This.Sadly 99% of people cant think in incentive structures so they cant really understand politics and economics in depth.A politician is someone who has great power and almost zero responsibility. The goal of monopoly over violence is to cut off responsibility. Its a system dwsigned around shifting responsibility onto others. Why would it ever work for the victims of the system? Statism is the biggest mass psychosis ever.
>>526244872>Any adult political theory begins with the understanding that individuals are born into families, tribes and nations to which they are bound by mutual loyalty.Invidualism is not against cooperation. It is a foundation principle on which genuine cooperation can be built.
>Last time I heard this, it ended up being total illiterate bullshit. But because I'm not the same as you, I will still check it out. I don't want to miss a potential chance to learn something relevantIt will explain to you the type of people you are working with when you deal with americans, especially boomers (the majority of american electors and politicians and judges). This video details the type of world that Trump and most american electors and interest groups and important believe grew up in.Also, kid (I'll call you this because at least when it comes to libertarianism, you are a kid), this is not my first rodeo. I literally translated libertarian literature into Portuguese, I fell for this grift 25+ years ago. Then I watched as libertarians allowed Israel to buy out Argentina and set fire on it, and how they resist the urge of nationalists to expel the foreigners in America and Europe.I woke to the reality that individuals are born into families, tribes and nations to which they are bound by mutual loyalty. And now I feel stupid, that I ever thought that society was the collective of rational individuals attempting to maximize utility, rather than get theirs, then promote their own tribe until the sons of the other tribes are emasculated and the daughters, prostituted.
>>526248069>Invidualism is not against cooperationCorrect. Do you think this is good? You want to cooperate with indians in your beautiful, ancient nation? They charge cheaper.>The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.>The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.>The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.>The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man’s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.tl;dr: Capitalism has destroyed God, all nations and traditions.The logical end of "peaceful cooperation" is India. You cannot deny it.
>>526245979It sounds like a conflation. Open state borders is not libertarianism. Its forced interaction.Private borders is libertarianism. Free and unchecked movement introduces a lot of risks and dangers to any business/community. You need exclusive voluntary communities to create value around any meaningful idea.What you really want is the free movement of peaceful value-creating people who can contribute to your values. And you would be naive if you think that every human is nice and only wants to do good.So closed borders can be justified if its based on individual ownership. Communities can make contracts to build strong borders around themselves. Private cities (where everyone is a tenant) can also have strong border policy.
>>526248919You cant grab the simple connection that institutional violence removes responsibility. Every accidental bad thing under free market will be incentivized and forced under statism.
>>526249731>Free and unchecked movement introduces a lot of risks and dangers to any business/community.Correct. Right now, I'm forced to pay taxes for border protection and deportations that I have no need for, because I already live in a strictly gated community with armed security.The government steals money from me to protect you and your community, but I don’t give a fuck about either.
>>526250355I am fundamentally opposed to taxation, so you don't need to convince me about it.
>>526250316>institutional violence removes responsibility*sigh*If you destroy the enemy, you should not be punished. Violence serves a purpose, which libertarians (as explained in the retarded libertarian historiography of Hans-Hermann Hoppe) fail to entertain, as they think the state is but an alien entity that has always existed and began to prosper as humans escaped the malthusian trap.The reality is not so kind. The reality is that barbarian invasions created the roman state, because romans by the force of arms were willing to murder their own siblings rather than let them trust a foreigner. Would you want to tell Romulus that they were being economically dumb for isolating themselves from all other tribes, and that this power to separate and decide for the roman peoples would eventually lead to their destruction in the future (rather than their immediate destruction in the present) because corrupt romans would use it for evil?I would expect a hungarian to understand that the existence of the state is paramount for the existence of a people: for it is the ultimate tool for its people to enact INSTITUTIONAL VIOLENCE to forbid the mingling with the enemy. For the enemy, there should be no tolerance. For the enemy, there should be only suspicion. How many times and through how many schemes didn't Austria try to erase hungarian identity, and you had to fervently fight them back such as 1848? Your nation survived without a state, but it had to grind the austrians to a halt for more than a century for that, for if things were left to run their course, the hungarian identity would have been erased in the name of the more profitable austrian identity. The history of Hungary is one of a gruesome fight for survival, which was only won by having a state.And now, you want to give it away because psychopaths exist. Lemme break it to you: there are 1.2 billion indians. They can and want to replace each and every one of you with a psychopath of their own.
