ITT we discuss Christianity, for or against. Christianity is a religion which makes it political. So long as the world has the two masters it has, loving God will remain politically incorrect.I'll start this thread off by talking about the Sadducees. The Sadducees were the religious and political elite of Israel and came from the priestly line of Zadok who was the high priest appointed by Solomon, and they managed the Temple and the practices within it. The Sadducees were very rationalistic, and denied things like the Resurrection that will take place, and were also denying the existence of angels, demons, spirits, life after death, and other unearthly phenomena. Faith to the Sadducees is a strictly earthly affair, and stated that one cannot do worship outside of the Temple.Also interestingly, the Sadducees only accepted the Torah as scripture and not the whole of the TaNaKh, meaning only the Pentateuch; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. As you read the Bible and when Jesus was debating them about the Resurrection, Jesus only ever cited from the Torah pertaining to the Resurrection, while with the Pharisees, he cited from Isaiah and Daniel both (for the Pharisees used the TaNaKh). Interestingly, Jesus never tore into the Sadducees for their not using the Prophets and Wisdom Literature despite them being known to Him. What did get Jesus' goat so to speak was how much the Jews were adding onto God's work, not what holy scripture they were not including to any given divine table-of-contents. The question is, how big of a deal is it to have the exact right amount of books in scripture? The Catholics and Protestants have had disagreements about the inclusion of the Deuterocanon since the Council of Trent. Does the interaction Jesus had with the Sadducees have any bearing on its resolution?
Isn’t this just schizophrenia?
>>526335140The Hebrew Book Club is mentally and spiritually ill.
>>526334968I can't be Christian because I think race matters as much as the spirit. Christians will readily agree that worldly, physical things like exercise or porn can positively or negatively impact the soul. Why not genetics?Your genetics have as much an impact on your accessibility to and comprehension of the spiritual realm as much as those other things. Some races simply don't have the needed genetics to get there, and this goes entirely against Christianity, which is a truly universal religion that anyone can join. Simply ask a Christian if they would rather have a brown Christian community or a european pagan community, and you'll get the same answer every time.
>>526334968Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of Heaven and Earth. And praise be to God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.
>>526335518id rather have the brown christians in their own country and the white christians in their own country. conversion has nothing to do with what your genetics.
>>526334968I particularly dislike jews and muslims but all religions have got to go
>Christianity isn't racist enough!lol kikes
>>526334968Jesus wasn't even a real person, you dummy
>>526334968canon is always a such and such topic.catholics will accuse protestants for having 7 less book in the OT, yet Peter and Jude both referenced the book of Enoch which is not part of their canon.one could argue it could be included yet its not really neccessary.same could be said about the book of Jasher which gives us insight on why Esau sold his birthright in the first place (and why Jacob really was a cunt at times).for me personally, I take apocrypha into account when it is confirmed by the scripture, but dont see it as actual canon. simply extra context.
>>526335884>but dont see it as actual canon. simply extra context.thats the protestant position. perhaps historically interesting but not on the same level as the rest of the Bible.
I always wonder if theres a christian critique of the biography format that is used by the gospels.I mea following someone around and writing down what they did and said can be difficult, not to mention theres loads of stuff that none of the writers could have witnessed personally.
>>526335518how is christianity and racial homogeneously exclusive?the spirit and flesh are two entirely different things. let each tribe be in with their own kind, christianity doesnt teach intermixing, rather ethnic distinct dispersion over the earth, each allotted their own borders.
>>526336076>I always wonder if theres a christian critique of the biography format that is used by the gospels.Here's a non-Christian critique, it's a hybrid monster of the writing style of the Septuagint, with the structue of the Ephesian Tales>not to mention theres loads of stuff that none of the writers could have witnessed personally.That's because most of Mark was copied directly from the Septuagint, with the later Gospels being copied from Mark
>>526336076John 2125 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
>>526336076we would say that while they are written by people that knew Christ, we'd have no problems saying that they were also written later in their lives (possibly by someone writing down what they spoke out loud) and that there could easily have been discussions between them and people who saw stuff that they personally did not directly observe. if someone who knew Christ spoke to someone like...Nicodemus, for example, and trusted what he had to say, then thats good enough quality information. We of course believe that God guided their writing and led them into the truth of the matter.
>>526336466>we would say that while they are written by people that knew Christ,Liar, none of the Gospels even claim to be written by people that knew Christ
>>526336232>spirit and flesh are two entirely different thingsDisagree. A sound soul dwells within a sound mind and a sound body. The soul won't get anywhere by rotting the mind with porn or letting your muscles waste away. Some races are entirely devoid of the spirit and are merely corporeal beings, hence why the tribes who are capable of spiritual cognition should be preserved and protected. Christianity doesn't necessarily call for tribes to intermingle, but I refer you again to whether they would rather live in a brown Christian community or a european pagan community
>>526336560and they certainly dont claim to be direct copies of the LXX or made in the style of something else, though you dont mind saying so in 9000 threads for years on end.i wont be repsonding to this anon again itt, been there, done that many times and its always the same schizo loop with him and his Carrierism. its pointless in the extreme. has been for many years now.
>>526335140What is?>>526335518I would see pic related. Redemption is for Adam, and from Adam came all of humanity, whether they were from Shem, Ham, or Japheth. This doesn't mean that it's ok to blend all of creation together into one being (What the figure of Baphomet symbolizes), but God clearly made all the peoples distinct from one-another. I think to preserve that distinctness is to preserve God's creation. It's not a sin to take a wife or a husband with another, for Jesus rendered all humanity clean and fit to stand before God with His death on the cross and resurrection. Also, it's dangerous to make judgements about one's spirituality based on their physiology. Weren't we warned not to judge, lest we be judged ourselves? Our works create brambles and thorns, and we're in no place to cast judgements in place of God. That was the essence of the original sin- when Adam and Eve began to decide for themselves what is good and what is evil.
>>526336052but still important to some degree.lets take the existence of demons that is in no way explained in the bible where they came from.yet the book of Enoch I think clearly states that they exist since after the flood where the offspring of the unclean union of angels and humans exist as spirit beings with human desires after their death.also explains where the pagan pantheons come from and why Paul calls them demons.
8 years like this. always the same.
>>526336806i wouldn't accept that and certainly wouldn't consider it true. i'll stick with the usual idea that they are fallen angels. its thats not correct then ive really not missed out on anything of much importance.
>>526336737>and they certainly dont claim to be direct copies of the LXXMate have you read the opening lines of the Gospel of Mark? No, what was I thinking, of course you haven't.>>526336822>8 years like this. always the same.Still waiting for someone to refute me... waiting...... waiting.............
>>526335728What do we have in its place that can possibly be higher than the Word of God? I agree that Rabbinical Judaism is destined for damnation, and Islam is horribly misguided at best, having taken their notions of Jesus from apocryphal texts like the Gospel of Thomas and other gnostic-affirming texts, but there's still the matter of Jesus Christ in accordance to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that each show how all the Old Testament promises were carried out, affirming Jesus as the Messiah.Furthermore, we're in a bad mess not because of "religion", but because we as people keep putting our own pride and notions above the soverign God who loves us so much that He died for our sins so that we can be clean and worthy of standing and walking with Him.
>>526334968Hoo dafuk is Baducci?
>>526336930kind of important if you consider that Jesus' Church is at war with spiritual forces of evil. knowing your enemy and how he operates is tantamount.in how many churches around the world is the kundalini spirit predominant instead of the Holy Spirit. thats how evil forces infiltrate churches and the people in it are none the wiser.and no, fallen angels are not demons.
>>526334968CHRISTIANITY IS SATANISM. IT PUSHES RACE MIXING, HOMOSEXUALITY, AND FEMALE HYPERGAMISM
if anyone should bother engaging with the carrier shill, be prepared for him to very quickly descend into insults, mostly of the kind where he claims superior reading and being a greek scholar of some kind, despite always begging off actually demonstrating any of this due to whoever he's talking to being too stupid etc etc. its a very tired old ploy of course. i kind of feel sorry for the guy because he's been stuck in this loop for so many years now and cant move on. hes still here, day after day and week after year posting the same stuff and the same arrogant insults over and over again. its not healthy. >>526337268the same remedy would apply no matter if someone accepted this non-canonical little bit of information - prayer and fasting, just like Christ mentioned. its this kind of fixation on seemingly extra revelations that bothers me about the secondary canon advocates.
>>526337457>mostly of the kind where he claims superior readingWhat do you mean, "claims, you faggot? You haven't read a single history book in your entire life
>>526337457clarity, not extra revelation.if it adds anything that is not in harmony with bible teachings it should be rejected.for me its just sad to see the lack of spiritual aspect we are in as christians and how easy believers are bewitched like the galatians.>3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced[b] so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[c]
>>526335518Disagreed.It's an observable fact that race exists and forced diversity increases violence and chaos.A Christian should strive for peaceful nations. If that means keeping out brown third worlders, then that means segregation is the Christian thing to do.Also God is the one who separated us into our own unique nations and established the borders of our habitations in the first place.
>>526337888Wow they saw Jesus portrayed as crucified? So, they were looking at a paintiing? Or seeing a vision?
>>526337888>how easy believers are bewitched like the galatians.that was talking about being put back under the law, not little bit of extra information not contained in the Bible.>clarity, not extra revelation.its extra information not in the Bible that you're regarding as true. i chose not to and im at no disadvantage.
>>526338091no, its preaches against work based salvation.>you have to do [x] or you lose your salvationwhich is the majority of christian doctrine that is practiced today.>i chose not to and im at no disadvantage.maybe its true for you. all I am seeing is satan having a field day with christian believers.doesnt mean they arent saved, its just so much wood and hay that will be burned up anyway.
>>526338412>no, its preaches against work based salvation.thats what i meant. that is being put back under the law.>which is the majority of christian doctrine that is practiced today.its an easy thing to go in that direction because it appeals to our flesh and pride, our wanting to have earned a bit of what we've been given instead of it being all a gift of grace.> all I am seeing is satan having a field day with christian believers.depends what you mean. scripture tells us that the visible church will always be a mixture of true and false believers and that there will be a sorting. but i sure dont think any of this has a single thing to do with your thing from Enoch. anon, this is how cults get going - a guy thinks he has an extra thing that the church in general is missing and makes the little bit of info the key to everything.dont fixate so much on this thing. how does it change anything?
>>526338814>dont fixate so much on this thing. how does it change anything?how many christians venerate the dead and seek inspiration of saints and pray to the them?thats witchcraft anon. its the same transgression of Saul seeking help from the medium of Endor.necromancy, divination and witchcraft are condemned as giving your children through fire.why do so many people accuse christians of being in a death cult? how many believers were deceived by spirits and visions in their lives to this very day. catholics, protestants and orthodox alike.the spiritual reality of evil spirits has completely escaped the modern churches because of lack of knowledge of these entities. you see it everywhere and it saddens my heart. its world wide deception that entered the churches and only time will tell where this leads us.its not even about embracing Enoch or trying to give it legitimacy. its the spiritual aspect that has been completely forgotten.
>>526334968We need to have discernment, because in the wilderness of this thread; the devil is here, as much as we have our faith; the devil will have his group try to corrupt it.
>>526339480>how many christians venerate the dead and seek inspiration of saints and pray to the them?well, the romanists do for sure, and they use stuff from the secondary canon to support that too. >its the spiritual aspect that has been completely forgotten.thats certainly not my experience over the years. sometimes there too much attention paid to all that kind of thing, and that ends up leading people into error too. >because of lack of knowledge of these entitiesi just dont see how that little tidbit of info you mentioned changes anything. how would knowing that, if its true, lead to things improving? what we see in the NT has always been sufficient. ive had a couple encounters with evil spirits and calling out to Jesus for help while terrified saved me. r
>>526337060>apocryphal, gnostic-affirming textsGreat but why should we care about whatever group you declared as orthodox? Especially when your councils are not binding upon us, you know just like how Arian councils aren't upon you. If anything their very existence increases the probability that you are the misguided ones here>there's still the matter of Jesus Christ in accordance to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that each show how all the Old Testament promises were carried out, affirming Jesus as the MessiahThe NT in general is horrible with Messianic prophecies. A lot of the times the authors even get things wrong, like for example Matthew misunderstanding scripture and making Jesus ride two donkeys
The anti-christ squads seem to lose their juice.
>>526336304Richard Carrier's jam is that Saint Paul never spoke of the historical Jesus in his epistles. Then again, why would Saint Paul discuss the historical Jesus there, since he's been writing letters to the churches who are already ministering Jesus Christ in order for them to minister him better and with more dignity amongst other points.Also, God made it clear in the Old Testament that He has His prophets speak of what He will do down the road so that people would credit God alone for what happens. There should be a lot of cross-referencing and quotes in lieu with that notion.
>>526339763Maybe the devil is Trump >>526335056
Another christovermin echo chamber.
>>526339980>scripture and making Jesus ride two donkeysno he doesn't - like the prophecy said, He rode on the colt. this is the colt that was tied up with it's mother and hadn't been ridden upon before. so they led it along with its mother. >>526340077well know none of that will matter in the slightest to the carrier shill. for him nothing can deviate from the infallible words of Saint Carrier.
The best way to argue with someone is to use their own sources. Jesus knew this. There’s a line in the New Testament that basically says all study works towards the truth. I think having a debate over certain texts is worthwhile, such as the apocrypha, however the most important texts are definitely the core Torah. They have the most direct quotes and demands from God, the most important for living a clean long life. Knowing that people betrayed Jesus for instance, how does that really help anyone? Knowing he earned a resurrection and place with God by being good and not resisting, that may help someone, but not as much as following the Ten Commandments even. Not only that but too much scripture can be confusing, much wisdom and learning hath perverted thee, such as how even in Paul’s time people misinterpreted Jesus’ saying as assuming there would be another revival. Jesus was revived after he died initially, all the scripture was fulfilled then, including as one gospel mentions the dead being revived. This part was underreported because they likely killed all resurrected peoples. The study of Jesus’ words over his lesson lead to two thousand years of logical fallacy.
>>526339980>Great but why should we care about whatever group you declared as orthodox?Because those texts in the four Gospels of the Bible address all the continuity of the Old Testament in them. Texts like the Gospel of Thomas added stuff that wasn't wholly relevant to the Old Testament. The Bible is a book about God's plan to bring us back in His presence and to save us.There can't be two Jesus's. Arius stated that Jesus was a created being, and not with the Father since as long as the Father is. The Word of God is as much God as God is, and God is eternal, and Jesus is the Word made flesh- having God's divine essence within Himself. Jesus being a created being isn't Biblical, which is why Arianism is denounced as heretical.And how does the spread of heresies show the gospel as false? It shows that we as people who decide to make a name for ourselves and go our own way and that the devil is still very active in mixing up God's order. The Gnostics were especially dangerous due to them taking the Holy Scripture as their own and making their own "theology" and conclusions off of it like it's a secret code for hidden knowledge. God made everything clear with our own senses, and God doesn't hide behind symbols. He even made Himself visible through His only begotten son Jesus Christ.
>>526339931>sometimes there too much attention paid to all that kind of thing, and that ends up leading people into error too.thats why its so important to have discernment of what spirit is actually at work.>how would knowing that, if its true, lead to things improving?if people were aware of how much of an impact spiritual forces had in their lives maybe they would finally put all their faith in the Lord to bring them through instead of relying on themselves, and I am talking about christians.>what we see in the NT has always been sufficient.my goal wasnt to say otherwise. its just how I was lead into the faith in the Lord, the sudden realization that this world isnt run by humans and their worldly desires but spiritual power, principalities and evil forces.as a human, mere dust, you stand zero chance against these entities without your life totally committed to the Lord.>ive had a couple encounters with evil spiritshow many people are aware that we are not only in the defense but are called to be offensive?>and the gates of hell[c] shall not prevail against itgates of hell.... the church is the one that attacks satans kingdom.>4For the weapons of our warfare are not [a]carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.every "HIGH" thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God."ready to punish all disobedience", the disobedience of whom? higher beings.
>>526339480The joke is that the previous owner of the store is called Chuck so if you replace "Sneed" with "Chuck" you get "Chuck's Feed & Seed".
>>526340939debunked by the council of Trent
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