Catholicism organized Europe after the collapse and chaos of the fall of the Western Roman Empire. It was a perfectly workable system for the time and was involved in the creation of every northern and western European nation-state (the Mediterranean countries were all born in the ancient world, while northern, western, and eastern European countries were all born in the medieval world). The Catholic ethic and world view did well for its time. The modern world, post AD 1500 or so, is when the Protestant Ethic took over and the countries which adopted it, which were mainly countries where the Roman Empire hadn't spread, outcompeted the ones that held onto the Catholic-Medieval outlook. (Look at a map of the Roman Empire in Europe next to a map of predominantly Catholic and Protestant countries in Europe and you'll see most Catholic countries were part of Rome and most Protestant countries weren't, with England and Poland being the main exceptions.)The Catholic worldview and Catholic values are medieval values, while the Protestant worldview and values are modern values. And times and circumstances change, so that just because Protestant value have been more successful than other value systems for the past five centuries doesn't mean this will always be the case, just as the fact that Catholic values predominated for a thousand years in Europe and organized the continent into its present form didn't mean Catholic values and the worldview they're based on were destined to be the most successful ones permanently. I often wonder if socialism and capitalism are both failures at this point and an entirely new system is needed, one that hasn't even been thought up yet. Socialism was first theorized a couple centuries ago and is the most recent form of political economy on offer, which means that in around 200 years, no new political-economic system has been developed. Maybe it's time to get thinking about new ways to do things.
>>526455622And maybe AI powerful enough to think and create and lead will be part of a new system that supersedes socialism and capitalism and that ushers in a new kind of society, one that humans have, as yet, never lived in before. But it's certain that changes in technology and how technology shapes the economy (the mode of production, if you will) leads to political and cultural changes and even changes in society, meaning changes in how people relate to each other down to family units.Again, in the Catholic social system, the extended family is extremely important as a support network both economically and socially, while Protestant societies favor the nuclear favor far, far more than extended family and often don't do much to retain ties with extended family. Right now, given how hard it is for young people to strike out on their own, we're seeing the reemergence of multigeneration families where up to three generations might live in the same home, which has been standard in Latino (Catholic-based) societies forever, as well as in Asian societies. This arrangement allows the adults to work, while saving a lot more money because overhead costs for the household are shared between them and their parents - the grandparents - while the grandparents relieve the working parents by tending to the home and kids. As a result of this family system, Asian families save up more money than individualistic White families, and Latinos would do the same if they earned more, but since they tend to work in low-paid jobs, this system keeps their families afloat in difficult economic circumstances -- and indeed multigenerational living and maintaining extended families (the Catholic way) is adapted for hard economic times; though if you're earning good money and keep this system up, then you may well be able to save more money due to having more people contribute to fixed overhead costs in households.
>>526455664White Americans, meanwhile, are now losing ground against immigrants whose families pool their incomes, as Whites tend to insist that the kids move out young and make it on their own. This system worked in the past, enabling Whites to become more independent, but in this century with its economic changes due to neoliberal policy and globalization, this family system may no longer be optimal, and may be outcompeted by the communal system of multigenerational living and retaining extended family ties. In any case, times and economic conditions change, and the worldview, value system, and social and family structures best adapted to the times also change. We're in a period of deep change now. Later this century it should be much clearer what kinds of values, worldviews, and social and familial structures are better adapted to the new times and which ones are maladapted. I suspect strong individualism isn't going to remain as adaptive as it was in the 20th century, as would be proved by more communal peoples outcompeting more individualistic peoples.
And of course, the Catholicism I am suggesting that White societies in and derived from Western European cultures return to is medieval, not today's, Catholicism, hence a deeply conservative Catholic practice that even forbids all divorce (only allowing for annulments if consummation has not occurred). For example, in the case of King Henry VIII, the pope was morally and theologically correct in forbidding him a divorce from his first wife, since that marriage has been consummated and marriage is a sacred institution, initiated by vows taken before God and in the witness of the clergy and community, which institution must last "until death do us part." Once married, only death can end the marriage - period. In cases of extremely toxic marriages that become a problem for the community, of course separation can occur, as did occur in the medieval and early modern world, when one spouse would leave and perhaps return to live with family. But divorce is evil, has been either extremely difficult to obtain or else utterly forbidden in all cultures prior to the 20th century (and still hard to get until the 1970s when No Fault Divorce became standard), and just think: prior to the past fifty years, the only times when it was common for children to grow up without a father were times of massive wars when half the fathers in an area had been killed in military service. Excepting these situations, it was the norm, across the world and down through all history, for children to grow up in unbroken homes.What we have been doing since the 1970s, when divorce rates skyrocketed and divorce became a normal fact of life, is unprecedented in history, and we still do not know the long-term sociological and psychological effects of half of kids growing up in broken homes.
idc about christ
there's only one flavor of catholicism and it has always been brown"medieval catholicism" is litterally clovis, fresno and bakersfield because of how retarded people are here letting in spics and treating them like humans because their pedo pope emperor said so
>>526456358I'm saying our values, at this point, are either Catholic-aligned (communal) or Protestant-aligned (individual) for us Westerners, who have no other system besides these two. And the communal model will serve up better now, since the extreme prosperity of the 20th century has ended, which is when very strong individualism made the most sense.
>>526455622>I'm autistic so religion is just social technology to me let's play time travelsNo
>>526457304It's not time traveling. It's looking to the past for examples of value systems and ways of life, which is a common thing to do and something all societies do, especially in times of profound change.
