There are two levels to all philosophy and religion.One of them is the one that most people talk about, certainly most people on this board. That's the level where everything is connected to the ego, to the physical body, to politics, to your ancestry, to your genetics, to power, etc etc.The second level deals with pure ideas. This level is disconnected from all of the above, because ideas are eternal, unbound by time and space.
Where does the racial spirit fall into this
>>526456977in your mom's vagina
>>526456865let there be light......
>>526457155This
>>526456977Anything that's inherently associated with one person or one group of people is the first level. The second level is like music and mathematics. 2+2=4 even before humanity appeared and after humanity is gone.
>>526456865What's your point?
>>526457288To enlighten you coombrains. Most people here aren't even aware the second level is a thing.
>>526457278we're in agreement. I was just pointing out >>526456977was a retarded faggot and his mom was a whore
>>526457623Not an argument. And this pettiness is a good illustration or microcosm of what the thread is about.
>>526457353Seems more like you want to show off how "enlightened" you are to a bunch of strangers on the internet. What point is there in stating that "ideas are eternal"? How is this notion supposed to elevate my life in any way? What's the point of discussing something that by your own definition has no consequence?
>>526458118Again a good illustration and microcosm of the topic. Ad hominem, subcategory psychologization.https://youtu.be/U3Jm8zF7bJ8?&t=2857I don't give a fuck about your life and the consequences to it or lack thereof. Nor does 2+2=4 give a fuck about you. Most people on this board are utterly stuck in level 1, there really is nothing you can do to make them see level 2.
>>526458087you don't know who i am so check your tone faggot
>>526456865You're a fucking retard, as outlined by farts and inhales.
>>526458516>I don't give a fuck about your life and the consequences to it or lack thereof.You just said a minute ago that your purpose here was to "enlighten" us. If that's not the case, then what are you doing?
>>526456865I don’t agree that ideas are not connected to the people that have them. We are all limited by language, by that which we directly perceive, by the material conditions round us. We are 3D minds in minimum 5D space. We cannot even conceive of reality.
Another word for it is Universal Truth. Things that don’t need proof and theorems to be proven, they just ARE. Everything on your “first level” cannot close the circle, so-to-speak. It can get close, but like a limit in mathematics, it will never reach 0. It’s like knowing the question and answer simultaneously. A seemingly impossible task
>>526457168Good effect on target.
>>526457353>Most people here aren't even aware the second level is a thingThis is because things on that level aren't relevant for most people. You need to be well satisfied most of the way up your hierarchy of needs before you care what a noumenon is.When most people are lacking in at least one of the following:>security of food, shelter, or safety>financial stability >social connection>life ordering purposeThey don't have time to question the nature of being. That shit is mental masturbation for the ivory towers of university philosophy departments.
>>526459366No, I'm a loser and my life is a mess but I think about pure ideas all the time. Stop cooming, it elevates the mind from the earthly. And study logic.
>>526459946Are you a NEET? Then your physical needs are provided for and you clearly don't care about self-actualization. I amend my previous statement. Only the ivory tower and Diogenes-types care about questions that do not have motal lessons or practical application.>Stop cooming, it elevates the mind from the earthlyGood point there. My study has been more focused on Eastern thought than Western, but I haven't found balance with my hungry ghosts enough to move much below the surface level.
>>526460976>Are you a NEET?no
pretty sure many people are aware of that, there's just no point in discussing the second level much, so you wouldn't even know someone's thoughts on it
>>526461212No, there is a point in discussing it much, when the objective of discussion is truth, rather than personal gain.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic
>>526461423truth isn't relevant if it has no practical application
>>526461816Relevant to what? You can't just say "relevant" without stating what it's relevant to, unless that is clear from context, and it isn't here.
>>526461927relevant enough to spend much time on discussing it, since the majority of people would rather spend their time and focus on things that actually impact their realitywhat does it matter wether there's a demiurge, this is a simulation, we are living in the kali yuga, we are being farmed by aliens, if we are some gods play things or not? there's no way to know the truth, so any theory is just that, a theory and a theory about something inconsequential at thatit's nice if you enjoy thinking about those things, but just because you do it doesn't mean it's important it's entertaining and interesting for sure, but thats where the value of it endsbest you could argue is that knowing "the truth" could change what you deem important when it comes to your own priorities, morals and values, but I think you'd classify that as level one
>>526462358You didn't answer my question.Anyway I don't think the difference between level 1 and 2 is what you make it out to be, what you conceive it as. It's not two different domains of subject matter in that sense. Rather it's between the concrete and the abstract. Level 2 can be about anything, but it requires that you elevate yourself above the subject, rather than put some part of yourself as part of the subject. Playing chess but without betting your organs on the outcome.
>>526456865It will never not amuse me that Dark Star can legitimately be considered the first film of the Alien franchise.
>there is a difference between the world of concrete individual things, in the midst of which we live, and the world of symbolic or abstract language and thought, which we use to describe our world and ourselves
>We live in two different worlds—the world of facts and that of their symbols. In order to acquire knowledge of ourselves, we utilize both observation and scientific abstractions. But the abstract may be mistaken for the concrete.
>>526456865I have a question for other curious people here. How does one reconcile 1: personal responsibility as an individual who is his choices, and 2: collectivism in all it's prideful horrible shame and glory??You as a man are obviously not your favorite football team or what geographic location you are born. I would go further and say you aren't your society or religion, nationality. I also think it's foolish to pretend we aren't descended from highly social tribal predators. It is wrong to not take responsibility for the group and teaching people rabid individualism was an unmitigated disaster. I used to hate religion but now I understand it is necessary. But it is dishonest and insulting, meant to manipulate our behavior. We are in a very dark cave, aren't we. Sorry for my essay, I'm bored.
>>526466067Don't know what your question is and what the relevance is to the topic of the thread.
>>526466451>>526466451Philosophy is the love of knowledge, Mr Bork.If I understand you correctly you say that the philosophy that protects us (ego) is different than philosophy that is for the sake of curiosity and wonder themselves. I asked you what a fucking man was and how you would balance to "two philosophies" as you say
>>526456865so you're a pajeet, right?
the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore
pajeets have been transplanted all over the world in unbelievable numbers. the plan is to homogenize all countries into a single mass of interchangeable, predictable, suggestible consumers whose only loyalty is to the elite and their system of puppetry. motivated not by heritage or ideology (despite all portrayals to the contrary), but by paltry shares of wealth and status in a materialistic world order in which everyone belongs equally everywhere and nowhere
>>526466705There is no actual dichotomy and hence no basis for a discussion of a balance. One deals with symbols, the other with the things symbolized by the symbols. It's all about being able to distinguish between the two. Studying logic gives you that ability.
