Every single new homeowner cuts down all the trees immediately after moving in. What the fuck is going on? And every single fucking developer obliterates entire forests to build subdivisions. The price of not being a rentcuck supposedly. And yet you are paying $600k for cardboard and vinyl siding and no trees. It is psychically torturous to exist in this country for anyone with a crumb of soul left. Generative AmeriBots everywhere, infiltrating and pulverizing every parcel of land left to this once great nation. No recourse.
>>526681759NPC golem houses
nigga fuck trees fuck allergies fuck insects fuck xenos and fuck nature KILL THEM ALL
>>526681915Average jew
>>526681759dont worry you can't afford to live there anyway
>>526681759Skill issue i guess
>>526681759Yea it's sad. Hard to find mature trees on American lots. Maybe 1 or 2 at best, and usually they're only as old as the house is.I have like, 50 trees on my 1/2 acre not including privacy hedge trees. If I add in the privacy trees it is more like 130 trees. I love trees.
>>526681759>Every single new homeowner cuts down all the trees immediately after moving in.It is actually the developers that do it when they build the subdivisions.
>>526681759Americans are focused on making money. If you're raking leaves you're not making money. If you're paying Mexicans you're spending money. Plus you don't care about the property beyond resale value and appreciation.
>>526681759Tree in your front yard that close to your house is a stupid idea. The roots will go under the house and fuck it up. Trees are great, if you have land, plant them. Don't plant them 3ft away from your house in your front garden
>>526681759these aren't houses, they're economic units
>>526681759boomers hate nature
>>526681759An Arm truck picks-up the cans in this neighborhood
>>526681759>muh lawn
>>526681759i have a giant mostly dead tree in my backyard that i refuse to cut down because i think it's cool, and it shades my entire house
>>526681759If you buy a house, plant trees and keep the ones you have. That's what we did.I have a 150+ year old oak and planted three apple trees and a willow tree.
>>526681759Trees have become an (((insurance))) liability in the US. It was always more expensive to leave some trees on a build site, so developers prefer to remove them all. Recent hurricanes have done so much tree damage to houses inland that people are losing their love for big old trees near their houses.
>storm rolls through>tree falls on your house>everyone is broke and hates their family so no where to go>homeowner insurance denies you becasue it only covers a tree falling on your house from winds in the range of 35-50mph, the winds in the storm were 51mphor>get fined from HOA becasue your tree isn't perfect>get kicked out of the house YOU BOUGHT becasue you said fuck the HOA and ignored the tree thing
>>526682238>Americans are focused on making money.That is literally their problem
Amerigolems hate walking
>>526681915If I had to live in a house like that I would plant every plant known to man that fucks with weak jewish immune systems.
>>526682809Make America Poor Againtruly poor. not rich poor.
>>526682986Forgot image
Mature trees have thick roots. Roots that seek moisture. Moisture in the form of your plumbing/septic tank. Also roots will fuck up your foundation.
>>526681759>Every single new homeowner cuts down all the trees immediately after moving in.Large tall trees are a massive liability.Imagine living under this giant pole that can fall onto your house with a random wind gust.If anything I don't understand why so many Americans have homes right under giant trees, and are then surprise when disaster strikes.
>>526681759so plant some trees... you can even get them free.nothing stopping you. go. do. plant. be happy and fuckoff.
>>526681759Most US housing developments are built on farmland.. so there are no trees. Only a fuckton of pesticides in the ground. If you find lots of trees it was most likely ranch land.
>>526681759>Every single new homeowner cuts down all the trees immediately after moving inI wish every homeowner were that intelligent >And every single fucking developer obliterates entire forests to build subdivisionsI wish they would do it for jus the potash>The price of not being a rentcuck supposedly.Every "rentcuck" deserves the right to chose a parcel of land and do this themselves>And yet you are paying $600k for cardboard and vinyl siding and no trees. I agree, the trees should make he fucking house>It is psychically torturous to exist in this country for anyone with a crumb of soul left. Wait until you hear about the intelligence left in the soulless husks. They believe all of that work is actually worth 600k when a matchbox is $1.00>Generative AmeriBots everywhere, infiltrating and pulverizing every parcel of land left to this once great nation.More like>Generative Bureaucrats everywhere, infiltrating and pulverizing every parcel of land left to this once great nation so that all the people hoard into the remaining 10 percent of said land and start "noticing" how "badly" they treat the land which gives them feels and results in them revoking even more of their rights to the remaining 90 percent of the land no one has fucking touched because it doesn't have an interstate on it.
>>526681896whats the pitbull density of the neighborhood before i judge it
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>>526681759I fucking HATE people that cut down trees. If it’s too big, needs a trimming, growing to close to your foundation, sure, cut it down. But if you cut it down for no reason, I hope it’s a massive oak tree with lateral branches that will crush your faggot ass.
>>526681759HOAs
>>526681759I bought a second hand home and the tree roots are attacking my house. I would cut down the trees near my house too if I bought a new one with young trees.Oh and They leave a huge mess for you to clean up every autumn. Get rid of that shit.Also lmao at trump. I listened to his speech. That nigger has gone mad and got put back in his place. Europe strong!
>>526681896Grey box nightmare neighborhoods.
>>526683862It’s HOAs >t did tree work in the pastIf they don’t like a magnolia tree or whatever they’ll tell the homeowner to replace it with an oak, etc
There is a scenario where you spend money to control the growth and size of the tree in your front garden but that is constant work and money.
>>526681759The same people crashing us will be the same people in charge of rebuilding btw. I think that’s what they mean by >if only you knew how bad it is
be careful
>>526684031>random thread about trees>fuck trump!???
>>526681759I had an oak right over where my cars get parked.Wind storm, had like 20inch circumference branches falling. My cars never got hit but almost did. Also it had grown to press on my house damaging my roof.And was pressing under the concrete of my driveway.Dam right I cut that down.But im going to plant a tree I bet you MFS never seen beforeRising suns, and medium sized thin branch trees.
>>526681915>allergiesYe're a weakling, Harry!
>>526682238>Americans are focused on making money.Money is literally the god of this shit country. You can just see it in people’s eyes. I have made my own mother spit and slobber in anger for calling her out on it. I can have the most gentle conversation imaginable, and she will always throw in money in some way…..just to talk/think lust about it. It’s a sickness. A idol. Fucking boomers.
>>526681759Because "urban planners" insisted on trees that are really not a good fit for anywhere. It makes more sense to tear them down and plant something useful in your region that allow some rotting deathtrap continue to fester. As usual, government/leftist overreach ruins neighborhoods and now people like you are using it to smear white people.
>>526681759Probably has to do with kike owned mandatory HOA
>>526681759what a dystopian, liminal shithole. those houses look like caravans or barns. peak tofu dreg.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc
>>526681915Fuck alllergifagsIf your immune system is so weak that some pollen or a flower can kill you, then maybe you're not doing a favor to your species by being alive
>>526681759Prairie land or desert, no trees stupid jew nigger , all housing is built with farmed trees you stupid Chink. Most burbs now won’t have large trees outside of green spaces or parks because of underground utilities and damage large roots do to streets sidewalks.
>>526681759>It is psychically torturous to exist in this country for anyone with a crumb of soul left. Generative AmeriBots everywhere, infiltrating and pulverizing every parcel of land left to this once great nation.I felt the same way as you, anon. Just move to Europe like I did
>>526685050Niggers fuck your wife and children How many of “your” children are brown cuck boy?
>>526685147You moved from China ?
>>526681759That’s the developer not the homeowner you retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB-P8HnkvKohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IftnB9XzYfY
>>526685047Eurofag pretending they don't have huge modern shopping complexes in Europe
>>526685508
>>526685573
>>526681759>Chinks move inNothing personal, kid.
>>526681759people are complete fucking retards, they love to hack down all the trees and then crank up the air conditioning and complain about their power bill. thank God I live in a forest and I don't have to deal with these fucking imbeciles
>>526685676
it'll look like picrel in 5-10 years.
>>526682716There are trees that have a limited height
It’s not the homeowners who cut them down. The organization that develops these communities it owns the land either never plants them or cuts them down for liability reasons.
>>526681759Trees become a liability when you own a house. At best they shit up your yard and car with pollen in the spring and leaves in the fall (and yes, those fuckers manage to get it into your garage even with the door down). At worst they die to disease or lightning strike and collapse on your house.
>>526682809>>526683069>>526686178Mutts are fucking pathetic lmaoBet you have your lawn spraypainted green by some beaner too.
>>526682112I had 30 or so and have planted 500 more in an old field
>>526685886that isn't "london" you mentally defective faggot. lakeside is rural essex, and has fuck all to do with this city. meanwhile, that's the standard virtually everywhere in muttmerica.
>>526682809>storm rolls through>cardboard house blows awayThis is why God hates you.
>>526681759I recently bought a house in a small town in Virginia and my small ass lot has a handful of trees on it and a bunch of shrubs. I'd like to plant more trees but I don't have room.
>>526686237I don't. I have to mow and rake it myself, so you better believe I optimize it for speed. I don't have a tiny euro postage stamp yard. I own almost an acre.>but that's tinyYou'd be amazed how long it takes to mow even with a riding mower.
>>526683069Learn to prune trees instead of obliterate their roots with concrete and you won’t have this issue, retard.
>>526686178casual tree enjoyer here. agree wholly. they do help tons with drainage/excess water, but yeah spending a few bands on a tree that fell and fell close to your cars/house/neighbors isnt fun fuck that i love the forest i love trees, yards full cunt trees fuck off
>>526681759>muh treesVast swaths of this continent have no trees
>>526681896Exactly.>>526681915Soon we'll upload you into the Metaverse. Everything will be clinically sterile while you experience a world of joy and wonder, Mr Main Character.
>>526685419KYS, spic. Your kind is the reason I moved out. You're like a plague that eroded the fabric of my country ever since the jews opened the gates in the 60s. Seethe more that I am now surrounded by sane healthy looking individuals, the food that I eat is top notch quality and my kids aren't being taught to hate themselves at school.Let me ask you something: Have you ever been to Phoenix AZ lately? Its like being fucking transported to Tijuana Mexico... The country is lost
>>526681759What kills it all for me is that you're supposedly supposed to slave away for some jew just to maybe own a "home" in some suburb where everything is far away as fuck on purpose because you can't walk anywhere due to jewish zoning laws and also niggers. Like dude, what the fuck is the point of all this? And then you have HoA shit too on top of it all.
>>526681759This looks like a new neighborhood and the trees are all young still
>>526681759>I hate grapes!
>>526681759>clearcut land and scour clean of all wildlife>name subdivision "Foxes Run at Belmere Forest""sure is a hot one today"
>>526686488what's the point in owning that much land? ego? you hate your neighbours? seems ridiculous.
>>526686611People that complain about HoAs are the kind of people HoAs are designed to keep out.
The wealthiest neighbourhoods and mansions always have mature trees. For some reason John and Jane NPC will cut down any tree approaching 20 years old and replace it in a never ending cycle.
>>526686712A mature live oak or southern magnolia is an investment for your future linage. The poors don't care about their descendants
>>526681759Maybe don't buy a home in some soulless new development, you moron.
>>526686610>Have you ever been to Phoenix AZ lately? Its like being fucking transported to Tijuana Mexico... The country is losthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q6DNwx2_Acwho let this poorfag amerloque on this continent?
>>526686685Far more stupid than that. When they partitioned my neighborhood they messed up and made the end lot too small for a house so they just tacked it onto the adjacent lot. When we decided on the house we didn't realize the extra yard to the side would also be ours. My yard is basically a big rectangle with a house in the middle, and a smaller, empty rectangle attached to the side. It's nice for the kids as they have a dedicated place to play outside, but it's an ordeal to have to maintain. Still it's not like you turn down free land; it's the one thing they're not making any more of.
Fuck that, I just got a new house and I've got five trees. They're all staying.
>>526681759I just cut down 12 of them fuckers. #nimby
>>526681759gassy squirts
>>526683069you gotta take care of your trees. hardly anyone does anything for their trees.
>>526681759theyre circumcising their houses. youre probably brown and not familiar with the american tradition
>>526681759the american style of making a new suburb is to flatten the entire place at once, remove literally everything, and then start buliding it. of course they remove the trees. but to say the new home owner was the one who cut down the trees is a lie, it was the construction company who sold them the house. they're mandated by law to plant trees new trees in all of these properties as well before they sell them again, which you can see in that image. this is the main reason new subdivisions always look so dogshit. but in about 15 years when the trees start to reach good sizes, the neighborhood will look much nicer. if you look at neighborhoods built in the 70's they did the same shit. but the trees there are now 50 years old and it looks so much nicer
>>526682615Dead wood spreads rot to the rest of the treee. You might legit die from it falling apart unseen.We had a handle bar tree swing on a half dead tree in our yard. I went to swing on it one day and the whole 4ft+ wide branch it was attached to broke off. I fell on my ass and looked up at the end of that branch right in my face. It was hanging on by a thread of living bark. Straight up Final Destination scene. Another time a buddy and me walked to a river. like 50ft after we passed a dead tree a huge branch broke off and fell on the trail we were just at.
>>526682716I had some big old oaks that were too close to the house. real pretty and all but they started hanging over the house. spent a lot of time thinking about whether I should cut them down and I decided that a tree thats over a foot in diameter should be at least half as far as it is tall from a house.
>>526681759The trees AND top soil are both removed and sold. If we dropped the 50 gorillion illegals, we wouldn't need more houses.No taxation without remigration.
>>526686518that map is inaccurate as fuck. I am west of that line and everywhere near me that isnt plowed for farming is a forest
>>526682615aka a widowmaker
>>526681759developers cut the trees downthen replant
>>526681759>sell a 4000sq ft house on 3 acres for $800,000>sell 4 4000 sq ft houses on <1 acre lot for $500,000 eachthis isn't that complicated
>>526681759Looks comfy. America has problems, but housing is not one of them. They look like decent family homes.Land in cities is very expensive here, so most newly built property looks like pic related. They are generally crammed on major arterial roots into the CBD/Industrial areas, so there is heavy congestion. The whole industry is catered to buying old quarter acre sections and subdividing it to build these for first home buyers/investors. One of these bad boys will set you back 500,000 USD and you can expect a 1 -2 hour commute during peak hours (and weekends now) in bumper to bumper traffic to reach the CBD. Because it is a small country, there are only a handful of cities that actually have decent employment opportunities, so the demand is very high. Goybuilds. They started building big developments on shitty (swampy) land that was previously not regulated for housing because of the demand. People literally take 500k USD mortages for this to buy a first home as there are no other options. When lay-offs and defaulting really kicks off, the whole sector is going to crash immensely, especially considering most people with capital will invest in rental/investment properties as historic returns have been massive due to the land buying for such projects. I have boomer family members who have mortgages on multiple properties like this they purchased with leverage while working manual labour jobs with the mindset that they will be multi millionaires if line keeps going up. It is like 2008 all over again.
>>526687972Forgot pic
>>526682615you know you need to cut it. from the water stuck in the wood even small parts can weigh so much you can’t pick them up by hand, it will destroy your house. at least cut the overhanging branches, or plan for when the whole thing topples over
>>526681759Only you losers who sit inside all day for years put so much merit into their homes. These people are working hard and playing hard, then just living in whatever is convenient and white nearby.Go touch grass
>>526681759Hey retard, if any trees get cut down it's the developer when creating the lots. Homes are built and they plant those new trees in those yards. That's a new neighborhood.
>>526681759Vivarium slop
>>526685886>poundlandlel
>>526681759I love trees too but all of the ones on my lot were gigantic ancient ash trees fully infested by chink borer beetles and the rest were too-old pine and cypress trees that hadn't been trimmed ever and were horribly leggy/branchy and would fall down every so often. It's really hard in the northeast with all the invasive species, and unhealthy trees are giant termite habitats living a few feet from your house. Not great.
>>526688036you are brown or jewish. a man’s home is his castle, you soulless vapid cunt
>>526681759>cuts down all the treesThat's boomer mentality for you. Boomers hate nature. They hate plants, they hate bugs, they hate nature. Everything has to be sterile and chopped down and sprayed with cancer-causing chemicals. Then people wonder why insect populations are collapsing, why pollinators are going away, and why the rest of the ecosystem that depends on them is dying out.
>>526681759Trees are a fire hazard. Remember Los Angeles a year ago.
>>526681759maybe you can volunteer to rake leaves for the front and back yards of everyone on your block. Maybe you can restore power when a tree loses a limb over the powerlines, because faggots like you love to plant trees, but never care for them, or mind where you put them. Maybe you can pay for the dented hoods and roofs of the cars that get hit by falling limbs. Pay for the limb removal of overgrown trees, or flat out removal because it is huge and dead. Or maybe you can silence all the starlings that cluster throughout the trees, and start chirping non-stop at five fucking a.m. like incessant little bird faggots. Fuck yourself tree nigger, and use a stump to do it.
>>526687396>i decided>mathematically, factually, wrong conclusion>can't even move the tree>but i decided is what's importantkeep us all posted.
>>526684666>I have made my own mother spit and slobber in angerYou fool!
>>526687396Saw a LOT of 100+ year old oak trees decimate houses last year after Helene. Just not worth the risk. Had a family member come within about 3 feet of being killed by one. Get the widowmakers taken down and replant small.
>>526681759That's just what you get with these soulless plastic and cardboard mass produced communities. The building plans are all cookie cutter designs so there's no workarounds for existing trees and other features.
tfw i have these bad boys in the front yard spreading leafs and flowers all over the neighborhoodnothing personal my fellow beaners, now clean up your yards!
>>526681759>Every single new homeowner cuts down all the trees immediately after moving inJews convinced them they would get cheaper insurance rates if they had no large precarious old growth trees on their property.Convinced them that it was a risk to others in the area that they could avoid if they just cut everything down, and they do this realistically so that they have more focus on the homes that they are trying to sell together in their "community".Can't see that piece of shit cookie cutter home if there is a nice landscape in the way.
>>526691421based finding beauty in the desert
>>526682716>Recent hurricanes have done so much tree damage to houses inland that people are losing their love for big old trees near their housesJust shows you how flimsy this construction method is and how its going to fall apart the second an "act of god" comes throughI am doing a job on a renovation as a consultantContractor was handed the blueprints by an "Architect" in Iowa, 1500 miles awayThe Architect had placed over 3 dozen mandates on the blueprint for their interpretation of the zoning and planning codes, and a dozen or so mandates about how the build was supposed to take placeIt called for spanning a 20' section with huge trusses made of 2x12's and they were being supported by two walls on each end made of 2x4'sIt was a home in a commercially zoned area that was being converted to an officeI had to tell them that they needed to add a Fire Escape Door in the rear of the building to pass code.....a Licensed Architect had no idea this was a thing apparentlyIt also had two separate bathrooms for male and female. Each was a private one person bathroom in an officeThe female bathroom had been modified with a second stall and commode that had an entrance through the main door, so that in order to get two females in the place at the same time, you had to open the main door while one was inside, exposing her to the whole office, while the other casually walked by into the side stallThis is an influence that females have made from their insertion into these workplace codes and mandates that are added for their own fanciesReally stupid bitches with no idea what they are doing behind the drawing boardsI sent them back the designs ripped up to pieces and reconfigured to standard building spec......former intern at three firms, commercial, residential/urban renewal, and landscapeEvery home I worked on in the past had a landscape that incorporated the use of old growth trees, which extended the life of the house by blocking out the sun
>>526682012Fuck you and your comfy shit annon.
>>526692210ur brown
>>526681759That's a new neighborhood you fucking retard. The trees have just been planted and will take years to fully mature.
>>526692364>a new neighborhood you fucking retard.On a planet millions of years old, that had thriving forrests, and wildlife that lived in that region before you moved in and razed the entire area to suit your interests in a fucking ponzi housing bubble run by jewsGotta supply that financial backing to keep America financially stable, Jew, or they wont give you the money you want for your beachfront resorts and lambos in Monaco.Fucking retards....
>>526692529It's a new neighborhood, you are in fact a retard. I guess you have never heard of prairies, the US is full of them. The new trees planted there is all you need to know. Developers will keep mature trees if they are not in the way of infrastructure and home building. You are so fucking ignorant it hurts my head.
>>526692655>You are so fucking ignorant it hurts my head.Most Jews are this way
>>526681759>>526683020OP was a 2 post by this id hit and run kike shill slide threadthe picture he posted had concrete that was so fresh no way a tree could have grown in that time
>>526692363Nah just jell.
>>526683175>They believe all of that work is actually worth 600k when a matchbox is $1.00And a bullet is $0.10. By your logic, I guess that's what you are worth.
>>526690643silver maple is the most dangerous i thinkit grows the fastest so 120 years ago it was being put everywhere, but because it grows so fast it is brittle, and it only lives 120 years, one bad ice storm and people are getting bombarded by silver maple
>>526681915this is literally the most based post i have ever read on /pol/
>>526692655>I guess you have never heard of prairiesDude thinks that people just show up in a wagon and build sprawling home developments in a prairiePerfect example of a misguided religious zealot that finds his level of intelligence to be superior to practiced masters.
>>526693325You are a retard. Developers buy up acreage of low tree density and develop it. It's been like this since the beginning. You can't put it sewage and water lines and gas lines and data lines and power lines in a fucking forrest. The only reason you have mature trees in old neighborhoods is because they were like OP's pic in the 70s and those tree grew up. There is farmland all over the united states being bought up and developed. Most of it is pasture and prairie. You really know nothing. Stupid zoomer. I'm sorry you grew up poor and never lived in a neighborhood.
>>526692146>which extended the life of the house by blocking out the sun...and giving the house termites lolololol
Tempe, AZOld historical town with lots of classic architectural style mixed with modern buildings. Really nice canopy that spans the entire center of the city, to provide shade for locals with seating and planter boxes that are decorated with art tile mosaics, and a walking labyrinth of a park in the center.Black mayor takes over in a "victory" for Civil Rights Minded folk that endorsed himInstantly goes on a rant to remove the homeless, and targets them as vagrants using a private security firm called Team.Basically he is bought by the local college ASU that supports his hand kissing and baby shaking policies.First chance he gets to bring "change", he cuts down the old growth trees in town along the corridor, and decided that he was going to leave a new curb, and modified parking/bike lane structure.Removes all the seating to create the "most walkable city in the US" type of illusion, but when the summer hits it will fry the buildings and the people, causing them to want to either leave or go into the businesses for shade/cool air.....most will not allow patrons without a purchase.Typical "Social Democrat" that is only after money and fame.I can defeat him in the next election campaign by a mile and humiliate him, simply for touching the old growth trees and the alteration of the classic look.I also will not be bought by the retards at ASU, being a backwards form of the abbreviation USA.Nor will I be simping for a color revolution, and have a more diverse international planning commission and cabinet arranged.The city will be conquered by the Grand Master Architect and his council of designers and builders.Mark it on the calendar.Motherfucker has not built one home for the homeless, or an affordable project for the elders or their families to use under a low-income mandate, and just watches the housing bubble flipped and ponzied with refinancing schemes to generate his revenues.Surrounds himself with one people as a shield.
I have 6 trees at my house and I've been debating cutting every single one down for years.Pros:>shadeCons:>Leaves, twigs, and acorns. If you keep a nice a yard it's like someone dumping a 15 gallon barrel of trash on it every week.>Can grow under slab and cause damage>Can grow into or around pipes and cause damage>Can fall and cause damage>Attracts birds which don't shut the fuck up and shit on everything>Drops sap on everything>Have to trim every 2 years and requires a trip to the dump.>Attracts bugs>Only grass that can grow under shade is water hungry grassI haven't cut them down because this isn't my forever home. My forever will have trees removed if it or the property has any near where the house will be.
>>526681759My first home was in a new subdivision absolutely full of valley oaks. After a year of living their some tree service went around knocking on doors scaring people about potential foundation damage and they all were cut down. I told them to fuck off and planted fruit trees, conifers, anderscoggin, and cottonwoods. By the time I left it was the only house in the sudivision completely screened by trees.
>>526681759Asians do that
>>526693994pretty much everything that 100 IQ normie niggers drool over for their dream home (pool, 5+ acres of land, trees, birds, wild animals, livestock animals e.g. horses, chickens, cows, goats, etc.) are a MONUMENTAL FUCKING HASSLE to actually take care of properly. the normgroid is a creature that lives off FOMO-- never forget this.the nigger brained normie will gleefully build their life around FOMO. living in a suburb is completely and utterly based. anyone who has ever had to actually maintain a house and isn't a FOMO-driven mentally ill retarded faggot knows this. normies dont take care of their shit even when they buy into their delusional FOMO fantasy. they are disgusting creatures.
>>526692655this is correct. 99% of these new neighborhoods are in areas with relatively cheaper land. as such, its pioneered from the ground (soil) - up. it's basically 100% of new neighborhoods in the southwest. the anons who replied are retards who do not pay attention to land developments or do site inspections or show up to city council meetings
>>526681759Offset nicely by those few saplings they plant in the front yard while pretending to be environmentally conscious.
>>526681759I have a shit ton of trees what are you on about
>>526687478>that map is inaccurate as fuckno shiti'm in one of the white areas on the mapbut our forests are some of the thickest in the worldso many trees here, it's a bit claustrophobic
>>526681759Most developers have new home packages and each house gets the same tree, shrubs, azaleas, etc. maybe a few different colors but the same species. Some neighborhoods have "buffer lots" where they replant trees to make it natural in common spaces. It's worse when they aren't native trees.My area in northern Virginia requires companies to replant and have certain native plants for water run off. Required to plant to offset their buildings.
>>526681759It disrupts 5G+ Technology line of sight. Can't have obstructions when the 15 minute cities are functional.
>>526686453Where you at anon?
>>526685944Culturally enriched
>>526690643yeah, an Oak smashed my neighbor's house and as many as 6-8 pines laid over many housessaw a truck that 2 pines smashed both the driver and passenger side, another truck smashed in the middle, which bent up both ends and a car smashed
>>526682615It will destroy your house and insurance won't pay for it because they'll get a test to prove that it's been dead for years and you didn't do anything about it
this pajeet thinks suburban housing tracts start out with trees in the yard, and then people decide not to keep the trees. what a foreign fucking fish out of water you are. just go home to your third world toilet and stop pretending you belong here
>>526681759>Every single new homeowner cuts down all the trees immediately after moving in.What the fuck are you talking about? There aren't any big trees because that's clearly a fairly new subdivision. The trees that are there are small because they were recently planted. You obviously don't actually live there and have never lived in that kind of subdivision.>And every single fucking developer obliterates entire forests to build subdivisions. No. The vast majority of new development is building subdivisions on land that used to be farmland or pastures. Whatever original forest was there was clear cut 100+ years earlier.If there are any trees there when the subdivision is being developed that get cut down, it's just whatever shitty pines and scrub started growing on the parcel after it stopped being used for farming or cow pastures.Literally no one is cutting down old growth forests to build new suburban developments, don't be a retard.
>>526685050Based euromexican
>>526686685Amerimutt land was built by big jewish oil companies. Everything here is centered around that fact. Instead of a nice, compact city where you can walk from one end to the other in 20-30 minutes like in Europe, amerimutts create huge sprawling piles of trash that span 100 miles in each direction. Everything is spread out, 100 yards from the mcdonalds, there sits a hideous taco bell, and 100 yards from that, there sits a hideous walmart, and 100 yards from that etc... etc... America was intentionally designed by jews to sell more gas to amerimutts by forcing us to drive everywhere if we want to actually get anywhere. Best way to do that is to create a sprawling landscape of asphalt and concrete, they can also sell more cars that way, make everyone have to buy their own cars. But what if families stick together in the same household and every member of the family doesn't need to buy a car? Enter boomers.Kick the kids out at 18, make them buy a car.Every single thing that exists in this shithole "country" is designed to screw you up the ass and make you pay for it. Amerimongrels are all too happy to oblige, in their boundless stupidity they clap and yackle about all the "space" they have, even though all of it is now a McDonald's parking lot.
Yeh why don't you make like a tree and get outta here
>>526685774Based, fuck mowing grass.
I cut down two trees shortly after moving in because they were too close to the house. I've since planted 14 more that lived. (Fuck deer.)>>526693255Goddamn it. My property has two separate swathes of 75-foot maple trees in the side and back yard.
because once they get tall enough they become protected and you cant cut them down.its weird to see /pol/ defending basically the worlds largest HOA, but eh, we just watched them lick the boot via DHS. i had 5 posters tell me they should get rid of the constitution yesterday because of immigrants existing. shit was grim
West Texas already has too many trees.
>>526681759I really wish I could live in the forest you have no idea. I hate this fake and gay society
>>526700518i mean the only thing stopping you is how much of a pussy you are
>>526681759When that subdivision plat was made, it was graded to form and the roads were put in. The trees were put down before homewoners bought the lots. Most likely didn't exist on former industrial-zoned areas, farmland, or swampland.
>>526685047I see shit like the bottom pic and can't help but instantly think "none of them have cars, they are absolute goyest of goycattle"Surely I'm not the only one
>>526682012>loblolly pine>basically the nigger of treesNot the flex you think it is
>>526681759My new development has at least two tree saplings in every lot
>People move into a newly developed suburb>They give autistic attention to their lawns, but let the easement in front of their house go to shit cause "That's the cities job">Throws autistic tantrums when the city comes with loud weed eaters to cut their shitty 3 foot weeds breaking windows & spraying weed killer that inevitably oversprays into their grassModern home owners are spiritual kikes, and like 90% of them are techbros.
I'm more pissed on farmers removing trees and brush off the edges of their lots. Fucking snow drifts are annoying in winter, not to mention high winds. Just let the brush grow it doesn't hurt anyone.
>>526700636If you ever spent time in antique European buildings, you quickly realize it's shitty and vastly overrated. I couldn't imagine actually living in one of them too.
Thats a dogshit new build that neighborhood won't have mature trees for another 50 yearsDoesn't help it was probably built on arid grassland either
>>526681759A spic catholic priest moved into my little town. Out of four houses for sale, he bought the one lot of nothing but trees and tore them all down so he could build ANOTHER FUCKING HOUSE.
>>526700877what are u comparing them to?old structures in the US are in crumbles, completely unlivable unless remodeled cover your wood flooring with linoleum , do ya?
>>526681759Imagine having neighbors.If I want to go outside and burn a brush pile the size of a truck on fire I do it.If I want to shoot guns I do it. If I want to drive around the yard I do it.If I want to whip my junk out and piss in the grass I do it.Love my yard. Love my trees. Love the fields around me.
>>526686178Yep. My front yard has a tree and I have to get on my roof about 4 times a year to clean out the gutters. My neighbor's tree got hit by lightning years ago. Those little berries get fucking everywhere in the spring. Fuck trees and fuck these coping zoomers who live in a tin can
>>526681759Feels good to be rural. Urbanites can eat shit.
>>526693001Cope. and nope. I've made this post before and I made it again because I was reminded of this topic because, yet again, new neighbors moved in again and obliterated the majestic 80 year old pines on the street. It keeps happening and happening and happening. I'm in New England. I heard Florida is totally cooked in this regard.
>>526688031The dead branches that randomly fall sometimes are called widowmakers
>>526681759The average American is an evil soulless husk of what possibly could have become human. I cannot overstate how evil normies are which makes it twice as bad that most politicians and online commenters unironcally say shit like "the average person is good!" And "the world is net positive and as long as you wait long enough morality wins in the end!"How fucking retarded do you have to be to think that "karma" or whatever makes morality and good win in the end? How does someone even come to believe something that insanely stupid? Is it like they actually think that the history books always finishing with "and the good side won and bad side lost" is legit and every single conflict in history just happened to finish with the good guys winning?
I have 3 relatively large trees in my yard :)
>>526702536grim. lowers the house value
>>526682809That's what you get for being a moron who freely chose to buy in an HOA neighborhood. Exactly zero people in the history of the United States have been forced into an HOA against their will. It's always 100% a freely made choice to buy there. In no state is the majority of housing in an HOA. If you live in one, you deserve that karen pain for being such a fucking moron. Never buy in an HOA and never listen to morons who try to come up with excuses for why they just had to buy in one. They're simply liars.
>>526703147It just depends on the neighborhood and HOA. You can read the bylaws before you buy. Some are not that bad. Some are really anal. Just depends.
>>526693278You worship a Jew
Lanternflies killed all the trees in my yard that were somewhat borderline and I had to clear them out before hurricane season to the tune of $10k from the cheapest illegals I could find. Shit sucked and it ate into my bathroom remodel budget, plus now I can see right into the neighbor's yard and vice versa.
>>526701152Transplants are doing the same in my neighborhood.Inflated rent means empty lots get dogshit Airbnb or rentals built on it.Population density is the real cancer, if you live next to apartments you'll learn quickly...
>>526681759Plant some trees then don't make a thread
>>526681759I live in an old NE colonial-era town. This looks like hell. Might as well be Hong Kong
>>526693994You sound like an absolute faggot. Plant clover in the shade. Put up covers where you want to be and not get bird poop and sap. Bird decoys can help. Trim branches that may fall. Who cares about acorns in your yard? FFS you want to live on a bare golf course because acorns bother you?
>>526694249Trees largely do not impact the foundation. The roots will not poke through the foundation. That is retarded. They will grow around it and encase it. Have you ever seen a potted plant? The roots don’t poke through the pot. They grow within the confines of the pot. Some people are truly retarded. If you have a crack in the foundation already, then it could be an issue because the roots will start to enter the cracks. But that’s a different story. Make sure the foundation is good.
>>526681759My neighbours did the same.Who buys a house in the rainforest just to strip the forest ???>these houses are bordering plots
>>526681759Average american goydwellings. You can see where they store the goyslop.
>>526681759Redpill: Americans do that because with trees, those golem suburbs would lit like tinder boxes.
>>526705744yeah its pretty horrifying. clean, safe streets, trash isnt everywhere, maintained houses, its grim.
>>526682813there is literally nothing else worth doing in this country for decades now
>>526681759you wouldn't like the answer if I said it.late stage capitalism *cough cough*everything only exists for profit, including your life.
>>526706232The neighborhood lacks esthetics and was half ass slapped together by Guatemalans...Its ugly as shit and you legitimately have to be low IQ or an NPC to tolerate going $600k in debt over it.The only "equity" is the inflation rate...
>>526706690>"esthetics">have to be low IQlmao
>>526681759>>526683648our town is like this. they replace every tree on the sidewalk in a neighborhood all at once. last time they did it here was around 10-15 years ago, but i see them doing it to other neighborhoods in town.i don't know why they do it all at once, but i do know that they are likely cheap carbon offset trees that the town buys so they can be called "green." i haven't seen a pitbull in my neighborhood in like two decades. people like small dogs and majestic-looking dogs here
Grim. Here's a random street in Melbourne.
>>526707003>people like small dogs and majestic-looking dogs heregrim
>>526706831Your living space MATTERSIf you keep letting the left shove their precious niggers everywhere we will never develop "culture"Esthetics MATTER
>>526707159some of the latter can kill a pitbull
>>526707230nah, it means the white woman are never lonely even when their husbands are gone
>>526681759It's called a new subdivision. That's why the trees are small.
>>526707098Grim needs more trees.
>>526686518Here is a picture taken in one of the brown areas on that map
>>526685364don't try to change the subject allergy cuckyou have inferior genetics, and must be purged
>>526693278go back newfag
>>526681759I've talked to a real estate agent near me, he said it's mostly Chinks and other similar breeds of bug people who cut down the nice trees when they move in. They just don't share our Western appreciation of nature
>>526707558People see a photo and don't ever zoom in.My state has more forest cover in km2 than any European country excluding Russia but everyone online and in the cities thinks Australia is a desert when only 30% of the surface is desert.
>>526707494Yeah op has made this dumb thread a dozen timesProbably needed attention today
>>526681759Ummm, trees cause LEAVES to drop onto the lawn, which I'd then have to pay some mexican $100 to rake up or else the HOA will fine my $250 and put a lien on my house and evict me and sell it to an indian family who will have 10 people living in it, so the trees simply MUST go, there's no other alternative.
>>526707654Nah mate its everyone who moves from the big cities.
>>526681915And bird infestations are often horrible. Thats my biggest complaint. I'm in Austin and we recently cut down a massive tree and it was a massive quality of life improvement. And I got massive shade from it and incredibly my electric bill did not go up at all.
>>526681759Yea I would plant like 7 trees asap if I was there, only way to prevent the soil from eroding desu.
>>526681759Trees were never planted there to begin with, the soil is probably shit, and the HOA likely imposes watering restrictions, so the trees would never get enough water.In your picrel, I can tell those trees are all new plants, and already, most of them are dead or NGMI.Worst of all, the HOA likely requires each home to have a tree planted in its front yard, and puts the onus upon the "homeowner" to make sure the home has a tree there, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY, not allowing the "homeowners" to adequately water their trees, thus resulting in a viscous cycle of planting, uprooting, and re-planting a tree every other year.My suspicion: there are people on the HOA board, likely the president and VP, who are syndicated with a tree nursery, therefore , they purposefully impose strict contradicting policies upon "homeowners" that result in them having to buy new trees every other year.If an HOA can figure out how to exploit their 'homeowners" for profit, they always will.
>>526702398Finally another anon calls this out>politicians and online commenters unironcally say shit like "the average person is good!"Every criminal with a dagger in his hand needs you to treat him like he isn’t a danger so he can get close to you. It’s that simple. Yeah- the majority of americans are criminals. Literally, they are criminals and they commit crimes against innocent people.
>>526681759I just had to replace my water main because the front yard tree grew roots into it. $6000 gone due to a fucking tree.
>>526707731This tooAlso have to pay high water bills for irrigation and deal with the leaks when they happen
>>526703147>nevada 16%Its like 98% for any neighborhood built in the past 25 yearsThe neighborhoods with no HOA are 25+ years old full of mexicans with fenced front yards and front lawns converted to parking spaces for mi abuela
>>526681759It increases home insurance costs no? Isn't home insurance already like 3-4k a year?Just buy some paintings.
>>526705172>Who buys a house in the rainforest just to strip the forestWhite mennonites.
>>526708532I'm a bit over 30 years old and everything I've seen in life has led me to believe that almost everyone is trying to scam you and will lie chest and steal to do it. This is why I trust corporate businesses more than family owned ones for instance. If there is one thing (the only thing) to praise HR for it's that they are ruthless cold and robotic when it comes to punishing employees for breaking the rules and fucking over customers in a way that's not intended. Small businesses are often struggling so much that they won't think twice to lie and cheat a customer. Or they don't have to be struggling at all, sometimes they're wildly successful and will still do some insane shit to fuck you over for no reason. I just saw a story about a woman finding a truck she had left with a mechanic being used to help someone move after the mechanic told her it was still broken and couldn't be driven for two weeks or more. These demons will fuck you over for fun, just cuz they feel like it. Normies are so emotionless and soulless that they think everything they touch belongs to them.
>>526681759goyburbs
>>526710911This increases the value of their lot as it is now clear and one step closer to being ready for structures. Plus, now your kids have an open space to play around in, like look at all of the other woods sill around those lots
>>526681759Tree roots can fuck up your foundation and piping.Can attract vermin and insects.It is even worse of course if the tree is on a neighbor's property.The curse of tract home developments.
>>526712092Build a normal fucking house out of proper hardwood with proper adjustable piers and bearers.Wtf is wrong with americans, plywood piece of shit houses
>>526681915thisI had a poplar drop cotton all spring and clogging my gutters and picking up leaves every week during fall is a shit job
>>526681759not my problem
>>526712555>look the wood that will never be used to make the home ill never own!
>>526712742it's on my property. it's a 7000 square foot house behind me from where I shot that
If Saint Boniface could have had one of these babies imagine how much Christianity he could bring to the Euro pagans.
>>526712889right, right...
>>526681896fpbp. They're not sentient
>>526681915Imagine being allergic to flowers lmao get culled from the gene pool faggot
>>526681915Correct and achheem....Kill niggers. Behead niggers. Roundhouse kick a nigger into the concrete. Slam dunk a nigger baby into a trashcan. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a nigger's food. Launch niggers into the sun. Stir fry niggers in a wok. Toss niggers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a nigger's gas tank. Judo throw niggers into a wood chipper. Twist niggers' heads off. Report niggers to the IRS. Karate chop niggers in half. Curb stomp pregnant black niggers. Trap niggers in quicksand. Crush niggers in a trash compactor. Liquefy niggers in a vat of acid. Eat niggers. Dissect niggers. Exterminate niggers in a gas chamber. Stomp nigger skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate niggers in the oven. Lobotomize niggers. Mandatory abortions for niggers. Grind nigger fetuses in a garbage disposal. Drown niggers in fried chicken grease. Vaporize niggers with a ray gun. Kick old niggers down the stairs. Feed niggers to alligators. Slice niggers with a katana.
One time I mentioned to a flyover hick that it takes a long time to grow a tree and he took offence.
>>526707291>Shitskin fantasizes about bestiality because it's more realistic than one of them wanting to touch himI feel your pain, smelly brown person.Well, actually, I don't, but I can pretend to care, to prove that I am your moral superior.
If I had to live in one of these tiny goybuilds amerimutt Mchouses with no backyard to speak of, no trees, flowers or plants and not even some tall grass I would kill myself. Imagine not having huge trees to provide shade during the hot season, giant hedges to separate yourself from your neighbors or blossoming flowers during spring or summer. In Winter the snow piles up on your trees and hedges and they heeve and crack with the wind and it's all quite pleasant.
>>526713199oof, thats grim>>526713317>immediately fantasizes about itGRIM
>>526711199>This is why I trust corporate businesseskek.... they make so much fuckin money, they don't give a first shit about anythingi see you're a low iq, corporate whore worshipping migger sack of shit
i think you mean jews cut down all the trees whenever they build anythingyou didnt know they do this?
>>526713414>oof, thats grimwhy's that?
>>526713199why did you delete this picture?
>>526713536because I got a response from the poster I posted it for, so since he has seen it, I took it down.
>>526681759>AAAHHHHHHHH>IT'S HOT BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING
>>526681759those are young trees because they're new built home. the only trees that got cut down where the old growth to clear the way for houses.new neighborhoods are cheap because they have no old growth to keep them cool naturally and are beautifully aesthetic
>>526711199Yuck. Poor people
>>526713536kek>>526713599what a weird houselooks like a mansion designed by a redneck and his wai-uff
>>526681915If pollen causes your immune system to sperg out, you are just a genetic dead end that's being kept alive by modernity.
>>526714005i can only imagine what kind of mutt specimen from spain we're dealing with here
>>526713485oh you used a house listing picture for it, so its either not yours, or its your parents because if it was yours you wouldnt use a house listing picture for it
>>526682312AKA goyim coops.
>>526714088which one is a listing? All of them?
>>526712899If ICE had those, idiots would still stand in their way but they would die nicely.
>>526714310now that's peak butt head
>>526700683Oaks are the nigger of trees
>>526681759I grew up in a wealthy Massachusetts suburb, the kind of well-off neighborhood you'd assume developers would emulate and upwardly mobile families would aspire to. There were (and are) trees everywhere, it was almost like living in a forest. Idk what these people are doing.
>>526681759Dry yards incoming. Higher utilities
>>526714310>doesnt understand what a listing isoh so its your parents. well, cool house, hope you get to inherit it
>>526685793Damn dude that is peak comfy, do you get any birds?
>>526681915Oy vey
>>526682012cute pupper
>>526693278This is a jew
>>526681759Most people in suburbs keep the trees until they start lifting the driveway or sidewalk. The trees are just usually some shitty shade trees. In my opinion they should only plant trees that are more useful. Alternating Nut and Fruit trees, maybe some house gets a laurel tree.
>>526684319Sneed sells feed and seed, which is completely normal. Chuck, on the other hand, sells fuck and suck.
trees are the lungs of the earthcut down the lungs, you aspexiate.if you cant handle trees, you arent native to this planet.trees clean the air and conduct electricitythe goal of our extraplanar parasitic overloards is to overload the air gound and water with electro smog. doesnt work when youve got loads of trees discharging it into the ground and negating their evil plans (smart meters, smart dust, wireless body area network). 526681915 is the best example of such a non native entity. such non native-entities should be permabanned from existence on the plane That is earth.
>>526681759>immediately after moving in.or before selling for "curb appeal"
>>526714054Someone who can't be killed by a fucking flower. Now go get your ozempic shot, fatso
>>526717833i've never been fat, unlike the rest of shartmericayeah, i suppose ur bathe in shit, your immune system will be pretty formidable
>>526714005>>526714054>>526717833>look up allergy rates by country>spains 3rd place, higher then america by 20% per capita
>>526681915>fuck allergiesIf you're a man and you have allergies. Sorry, you're gay.
>>526707558That looks a lot like the areas in between Flagstaff and Kingman, AZ
WETBACKS CAN'T GROUNDSKEEPTHEY TURN EVERYTHING INTO A PARKING LOTDEPORT ALL BROWNS
>>526681759How about you plant useful trees dumb fuck. Decoration trees are retarded. A lemon, pomegranate, orange or olive trees are infinitely more aesthetic and useful than trash good for nothing hedges and useless trees. I'd wanna cut down your amerilard retarded trees too if I bought a house with them planted around.
>>526682012>falls on your roof like a boss
>>526686237>>526686507more foreign pussies failing to understand the wind here
>>526681915top jew
>>526718209>Weaklings exists in Spain tooA strong father figure can slap the "allergies" out of you in your childhood, saving you from a miserable life as a weakling.
>>526681759HOA requirement in some communities.
>>526682809We recently got fined because our 40ft tall palm tree had brown leaves. HOA wanted us (to pay 150) to trim it. We already did this once. This time we said fuck it and paid ~3-400 to cut it down. Had to go with an insured guy because it's close to another house.More expensive but won't be an issue anymore.I hate HOAs.
>>526681759Amerigolems at work
>>526682401Quite the opposite. Boomers are obsessed with keeping trees in their property because someone told them it raises property value even though they become safety hazards if they get too big
>>526719343Your trees are basedbois just like your people.
>>526681759Trees kind of fucking suck as a home owner. If you dont have acreage, dont bother with trees. You'll thank me in 10 years
>>526682245You can plant mini trees. Better than nothing. Even the useful ones like meyer lisa lemon or europa olive trees that will grow 1.5m tall will do. Whenever trees are planted in the area, the health of inhabitants improves significantly. It's wrong to live without trees.
>>526681759>Why?HOAs
>>526719386>A strong father figure can slap the "allergies" out of you in your childhood, saving you from a miserable life as a weakling.tell me more
>>526681915>allergiesYou don't belong in this world, kike.
>>526703147That's like saying nobody in USA has ever been forced to live around nonwhites against their will.Sure you can find a plot of land without municipal water and sewage and trash collection and internet, but if you want to participate in society and your job is in a city that's where you need to go and there is nonwhites there because of kikes.
unfortunately i am so sorry but it will not be possible for pajeets to claim american heritage or belonging in america. there was never any role for pajeets in our national history until it was jewjacked into globalism. pajeets can be british or gypsy or they can go home thank you so much
>WHAT IS A PAJEET?the best way to define pajeet is>descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry.political distinctions on maps or signified by flags are false and irrelevant. everything south of the himalayas that isn't gooky-chinky is pajeet. pakistan, india, bangladesh, sri lanka are all pajeet territory. enough of nepal and bhutan are jeeted that they may as well qualify too.all of these pajeets could stay where they belong and call themselves what they like, and nobody would disagree because nobody cares. however, because they profusely shit up the internet, and they mass migrate to shit up everyone else's homelands, they're all pajeets now. all counted together as the same thing, on the same visiting team as far as the human world is concerned.hindu, muslim, sikh, atheist, etc; male, female, gendersexual, old, young, etc; deformed, odorless, fair & lovely, dark & deep, etc... forget all of it. none of that diversity matters once they exit designated land to race with the globalist rats. now their entire overcrowded neighborhood at the bottom of asia is known as one source of one type of trespasser: the pajeet.>ONLY A PAJEET DISPUTES THIS DEFINITION
>>526702128>sprints back in to damage control>doesn't realize he is clueless about trees
>>526681759Anons living in these desolate cardboard cuck subdivisions mock people for living in picrel
>>526713599no sorry too late I'm on my way now to swim in your pool with my friends saar. We're going to leave a bunch of idols in the bottom of your pool too to bless your mcmansion. Hail Pankaj MonkeyShiva
Root damage is something which the boomers haven't taken into consideration. Yeah, that oak tree in the front yard does look nice. But it's going to cause trouble in the future, so it has to go.
>>526681759>Every single new homeowner cuts down all the trees immediately after moving in>>526682012>Skill issue i guessNo, it's because the entire US population is turning into picrel
>>526683046In OP's pic they coupd have planted sequoias between the road and the sidewalk and it's roots would never eeach the house. The standard is 3 meters near the pipeline and it's never a problem.
>>526681759Americans have no souls. Simple as.
>>526722952>webmImagine doing that to India
>>526685508Eurofags still have a ton of trees near those shopping malls.
>>526681759in Europe having a tree on your property means you are great and well off. all my neighborss have trees. I have trees. imagine cutting down treefrens.
>>526723219we lose our soul when we give our tip to rabbis
>>526682012>Skill issueWhat a retarded thing to say. You’re a retard.
There are Anons in this thread who don’t see a tree when they look out of their window.Let that sink in.
>>526682012Shouldn't you be making breakfast for your girlfriend's bull?
