Is /pol/ willing to admit that censorship, on some level, isn't necessarily wrong?
Yes
>>526721142Even attempting to remove pornography from the internet is, at absolute best, a waste of tax dollars. You’ll never even come close to accomplishing the goal and waste millions yearly on “enforcing” it.
>>526721142letting the government decide what you can look at is bad, and stupid. End of story. All of these half measures are just going to make things worse. Just get rid of the kikes, and browns already. All this weak ass shit about 'oh let's cut off something they promote'.... no just cut them off. Cut off the jews. The reason the society is spiraling into degeneracy is not 'because degeneracy is an option'... it's because society SUCKS. IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE LIVING IN A NIGGER KIKE SHITHOLE
>>526721442>letting the government decide what you can look at is bad, and stupid. End of story.So should the government let you look at child porn?
Why, after 25 years of the internet being a thing and porn being widely available, are they doing this now? They will use it to ban or restrict places like 4chan.
>>526721595>I'm not allowed to goon all day anymore?>WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE INTERNET?!?!?
>>526721142i don't think it should be banned, but profiting from it should be nationalized with a 100% income taxjew profiting off bodily fluids of aryans needs to stop
>subversivebased. ban that shit.
>>526721595It’s being used to force digital ID policies which are essential to the neofeudalist technocratic prison they want to trap us all in
>>526721960access and desire to see aryan bodily fluids is not a right
Ban porn.Ban violent video games.Ban satanic imagery in media.Enforce mandatory prayer in schools.Make men men again.
>>526721512>should it let you lookthis is exactly the problem with allowing the government to make the decision in the first placeThe government is not higher than the citizen. Anything the government can look at to verify it's bad, the citizen can also look at to verify it's bad. Should we let the government workers look at child porn?
>>526722275Answer the question.>Should we let the government workers look at child porn?Ooh, I know what you're doing. I think that JUSTICE SERVICES, like DETECTIVES and POLICE should have access to verify if child porn is child porn, yes.Now answer my question.
>>526721512>So should the government let you look at child porn?Given how miggers defend Epstein these days, you might want to be careful asking that.
>>526721142Gop just want to diddle kids privately in their mcmansions.
>>526722429Say it with me everyone:You lost, tranny.
>>526722327The government should not be letting the people see anything. I reject the premise that the government is somewhere holding a gate open for the citizens to see or not see. The government is something which the people control. The idea that the government has a place controlling the minds of the people is a form of government worship. The people are allowed to look at whatever they want.
>>526722609Answer my question please.
>>526722660I did. The answer is no
>>526722671Sorry, no, you don't think the government should legalize child porn?
>>526722700I don't think it should let people watch porn or anything else
>>526722256retarded christcucksurely mandatory kike on a stick worship sessions will defeat the kikes
>>526722719Cool...where do we disagree?
>>526722587>>526721142This is Alex from Tel Aviv btw. He's posted his brown hands before and he advocates for white infighting
>>526721142It must not be the government's job to protect citizens from their own choices. I don't think children should be watching porn, but I also don't think parents should provide their children with access to the internet, or let them have smartphones. And I don't buy into appeal to hypocrisy. There are other issues where limiting citizen access IS reasonable. But those issues usually revolve around citizens losing control of their faculties.
>>526722747You think it's a good thing to be a cattle beneath the government
it's a interesting one.a point to consider is that all governments institute 'laws' for the citizens, and they are not generally applicable to themselves nor their chosen.a two tier system of law is problematic, we can see that in most European heritage nations judicial systems now.and then we can look on the faggots and trannies constant shilling of how does what someone does(watches) in their own home affect you? and the extension of faggots and trannies now walk the streets waving their cocks and axe wounds at children? if a line was drawn, it would have to be finely drawn in a non-deletable ink, and i don't believe any politician alive would be capable of drawing a fair and equitable line.
>>526722780I think that it's probably not a good idea to allow degeneracy onto our shores, tranny.
>>526722756>>526722811Notice how Alex dodges the post when called out.
>>526722837You. Lost. Tranny.
>>526722811Submitting your soul to the government is the greatest degeneracy.
>>526722847Alex follows the same script in every thread. He also posts the China webm threads where he calls white people "chinksects". You should see his selfies. They're embarrassing.
Ronaldo Dworkin defemded the possibility of censorship on porn.
>>526721762lol what an idiot. Porn is the effect, not the cause. Women being fat feminists is the cause. Free mandatory Ozempic prescriptions for all fat chicks. Basic income for men only. That's the solution.
>>526722988>Porn is the effect, not the cause.Does it matter? Harm will always be downstream from previous harm, that doesn't mean we should allow harm to continue.
>>526723030>>526722756Notice how Alex from Tel Aviv has gone this many posts without denying it. He might try now, but he's already been caught. He'll call me a tranny now. Maybe a chinksect. He has a small script of insults and he can't veer off of the approved list.
>>526723097You lost, tranny.
>>526721142sure. I will admit that censorship is justified and moral when, and only when, I am the one doing it. All ideas that I don't like are harmful and dangerous, and any perceived loss of freedom is far outweighed by the harm that's prevented by banning those ideas. Any other censorship, however, is tyrannical and does nothing more than to stymie the intellectual and moral progress of a society.
>>526721142Censorship is cringe and for losers without self control. I don’t respect the desires of losers.
he's right
>>526722811Jews:>spend billions of dollars creating a porn industryAlso jews:>Oy vey goyim! You need to give us more power and use our digital ID service in Tel Aviv, otherwise your goy societies will be too degenerate don’t ya know
>>526721142Porn actors are just exposing themselves to people. If some guy exposed himself to people in a park he goes to prison for a decade or something. If the same guy exposes himself to millions of people online thats conpletely fine.
>>526721142porn is a result of muh women rights, you can't ban it when you allow women to dress like sluts in public, because these women will just post lewd pics/vids and will find a platform to share them.to control something, you have to go after the roots, and that's criminalizing women dressing like sluts/selling nudes/etc., and also after the jews who benefit from it, going after few lonely dudes is just another way to attack men for a problem that out of their control.
Porn isn't speech.
>>526721142is it over for onlyfans and its 'models'?
>>526721142Kind of doesn't matter if you know their end game is outlawing antisemitism and implementing digital ID to do so. Could there be a good line where free speech is limited? Maybe, but they're absolutely not interested in that line. They want the really dark ones.
>>526723305Being naked on a porn site is indeed the same as being naked in the local park. Good argument anon
>>526721142Porn should be under freedom of expression, not freedom of speech. They are not the same.
>>526721142No. "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
>>526721142I will never stop watching porn you fucking piece of shit. You think if you ban it I'll just stop? You think there won't always be a market, that we won't find a way? You think I'll just go out, get married and have five white children because you banned porn? Fuck you nigger faggot. I will watch porn and fap to giant tits and you cannot stop me.
>>526721512Your rights end when they interfere with the rights of others. There are multiple reasons that children are protected under the law.
>>526721142Can these old fucks die already? Fuck off.
>>526722054This is absolutely true.
>>526723647I know you can just not look at porn. But the same argument is valid for the guy flopping his dick around at the park. You could simply not look at him. Should he be free to flop his dick around in the park just because you can just look away if you dont wanna see him?
>>526723785We are way past that, retard.
>>526721142umm actually the founding fathers had big throbbing niggerdicks at the forefront of their minds when they drafted the first amendment.
>>526722737>he doesnt knowBanning prayer in schools and a host od other domino effects like womens rights and sexual revolution got us to where we are now yoh retardChristianity at least put a moral restraint and accoubtability factor into the lives of manyTake your moral relativism and nihilism and go bear the fruit of your labours, might as well kill yourself you psycho, thats what thats about in a nutshell: self destructionWickedness begets wickeness end of story
>>526723999Eat shit. Censorship is wrong. Just because some people misuse their freedoms does not mean we should not have those freedoms. It's the biggest mistake there is. You are either a woman, a jew, a communist, or some combination if you think otherwise.
>>526721512unironically yes i dont get why its illegal you can watch videos of murder and torture which are far worse crimes kek
>>526724092Wow. A based Canadian.
>>526723785You’re a faggot and Star Trek is made up.
Fast track to lose midterms and general election is based.
>>526721142You wouldn't have to ban porn if you didn't have weak fathers raising attention desperate cock-hungry sluts.
>>526721142No>>526721512Yes, it is only illegal so people believe the lie that it is bad. If you want people to believe "sex with children is all RAPE" you can't let them see the truth. For lies to be law truth must be illegal Besides most CP is self produced solo which is another thing they don't want you to know
>>526721142you can restrict business and still allow free expression. free expression also doesn't mean you are allowed to publish and broadcast on the internet. internet access is not a right. free expression is doing it yourself with your body. it might sound contradictory but blocking broadcast on media channels is not restricting free expression. you are entitled to self expression, not amplification or broadcast/publishing. print your own porn pictures and hand them out.the internet is not a Natural expression channel, as in you have no right to access or use it. it is a service which can and is regulated.
>>526724294Doesn't matter if the story is made up. The moral lesson stands.
>>526722747You are coming at it from the completely wrong direction which is why you don't understand what is being said. "The government should not people watch anything" meaning the people are not children who need to be allowed things by Big Daddy Government
>>526724436That's like saying that someone can protest, but only if alone, in their living room, with no witnesses, and quietly to themselves. No fucking wonder you idiots get arrested for memes.
>>526724546> meaning the people are not children who need to be allowed things by Big Daddy GovernmentThis is not true for a good 80% of the population.
>>526721142Of course
>>526721142Then arrest the traffickers and do drug raids on the productions.Porn is bad and does harm to people, but this isn't the way to fix it.
>>526723962Was he scheduled to be at the park and only people who wanted to see such a display went to the park at that time? There is certainly an argument restricting people being forced to see things just as the government should be restricted from forcing us not to see things. If you want to see a naked guy in a park there should be avenues to schedule such an event
>>526724390Based
>>526721142Porn is free speechJews aren't humanNon-humans don't deserve rights.Therefore porn made or published by jews isn't free speech.
>>526724488>you have to let your daughter get raped by a dozen cocks on camera >it’s free speech just like the founders intendedKilling pornographers in the street is the only moral path.
>>526721142This is just division of the masses.Nothing will ever be done about porn because jews own the industry.
>>526724092>Banning prayer in schoolsNever fucking happened. It can't mandatory >Christianity at least put a moral restraint and accoubtability factor into the lives of manyBullshit Christianity teaches complete amorality. What moral restraint does it put on people when you can just beg forgiveness later for all the horrible shit you've done? Churches that do confession except it to be a regular habit outright explicitly encouraging you to do bad things>Take your moral relativismThat is Christianity. Oh, sin can be forgiven, oh, we have to forgive like Jewsus forgives
>>526723355Yes it is, retard, free speech inclides speech you dont like
>>526721595Because we have a generation that is staying home, living on the minimum possible to vidya and goon instead of becoming wage slaves or joining the military meat grinder. (((They))) need goy to keep filling the pockets of the 1%, which isn’t happening if everyone is staying home to goon
>>526721142Cool it with the antisemitism
Censorship is ok as long as i am the one in charge. Otherwise, it is evil.
>>526721142>still bumping memeflag threadsngmi
>>526721142>Another day where people don't understand the difference between a symptom and a diseaseBanning porn is like holding someone's mouth shut so they can't cough while sick with the flu. It's not the coughs that are the problem!
>>526721142it's inherently wrong, in the only way anything can be objectively wrongthat's literally why the first amendment exists
>>526721142No. And not because I think free speech has some benefits or makes society develop faster or whatever, but because I dont want to give government power to tell me what can I say or see, even if it means every other retard can do the same.
>>526721142Of course. Censoring my enemies is based
Replace the word porn in all the pro-porn arguments with CP.>it's hecking speech>the porn itself isn't the problem, it's a symptomA healthy society has to have a line, a common understanding that some things are evil. If there are no common axioms there is no society.All porn is evil.All recreational drugs are evil.All propaganda is evil.All advertising is evil.All censorship of opinions about policy including opinions that challenge the common axioms is evil.
You want to censor societal poison.I want to censor your ability to rebel.
>>526721512If I say yes you can report me for advocating for child pornography. So you are begging the question. The honest truth? No victim no crime.
>>526721142>Is /pol/ willing to admitno, not ever
>>526721142Porn controls the masses, and Republicans just want control. This is the Republican equivalent of importing a bunch of immigrants so you have a larger voter base.
>>526721142Who is behind this post ?
>>526721142>censorship, on some level, isn't necessarily wrong
>>526721142I guess it is the Democrats turn to be in charge if you actually pass this.
>>526721142>waaaaaah people aren’t being good enough drones>no porn>no drugs>no internet >only work and debtand the rich people are going to do that to right?>looks over>sees rich people doing weekend long coke filled orgies>literal alcoholic meth addicted world leaders>giant pedo ringThese corrupt pieces of shit should not be allowed to drug test, ask me for my SSN, make me sign up to anything, fuck these rich faggots in Congress. Liars. All of them.
>>526721142Agreed fullyBan this Jewish degeneracy NOW
>>526721442There are two types of porn.Porn made by Jews, and porn made by white people.The difference is astonishing.Jewish porn tells stories of abusing the shit out of each other, exploiting each other, blackmail and coercion, violence and rape.White porn, if it tells stories at all, usually just involves 1 woman talking to a camera and playing with herself. Sometimes the story is wholesome, loving, nurturing even. There's something blissful about it.In a way, the only pornographic things there are the tits and the pussy, but many don't even show pussy.I could've watched Jewish porn from the age of 13 but that disgusted me, it was repulsive to see some circumcised faggot plough through a not-my-daughter who's legitimate 24 years old but built like a 12-year old while she calls him daddy and he goes "ooh ooh ah ah" like a monkey.That didn't draw me at all.But a woman by herself, K or M cup bra, manipulating the comfort those jigs bring for 10 minutes without showing her pussy? Heaven. And then the rest followed.I can say with absolute certainty that I never clicked on man-woman porn and watched it. Accidents happen with shitty thumbnails, but I tab out or click it away.Jews make it difficult for me to heal my relationship with the feminine.They should be exterminated for that.
>>526721142Of course. All freedoms must have limits or else its just license and not freedom at all. I do think that some speech SHOULD be limited/restricted, I just disagree with Leftists on what that speech is.We already have blasphemy laws, most are still officially on the books. We could start by enforcing them again.
>>526721142Nope, only free speech that actually exits the realm of the verbal such as in example commands, slander and threats exits the realm of speech.Porn simply isn't any more potent than a spicy opinion, if it troubles you that's a you issue.
>>526723896>lolbertarianism
>>526721595Because they spent 25 years producing porn for free consumption to addict as many hundreds of millions of men as is Jewishly possible (as opposed to humanly) so that when they pull the rug and mandate digital ID, people's addiction to porn will make them comply and acquiesce to digital ID.Because they think that's how this shit works.Dumb motherfuckers.Everyone's got a stash of his favourite shit, and everyone knows how to make a torrent of it.Everyone knows where to sauce and how to tell which sauce is too fresh so they don't compromise their systems with spoiled honey, besides the fact that 99,9% of guys don't like spoiled honey and will kill you for backrooting it into their user directory without asking "pretty please".The Jews actually believe that most people stream everything and are codependent on Jewish online services. They're not.
>>526721142Vance doesn't need porn he has a poo fetish. The rest of us don't get females so porn or nothing
>>526728589Nothing is expressed, porn is nothing like an opinion or an expression of anything. The only goal is to subvert your natural instincts to release chemicals which condition dependence to the stimuli. Everyone involved is objectively worse off.
>>526721142>Is /pol/ willing to admit that censorship, on some level, isn't necessarily wrong?
It’s not speech or expression. It’s a product being distributed for profit. Products fall under commerce and need to be regulated because if we’ve learned anything it’s that people will destroy the world to make a buck. I would also call the news, movies, TV shows, plays, and books as products unless they are being distributed for free or at-cost for the purpose of spreading thoughts and ideas.
>>526724589When you realize the big daddy government is MADE of the 80% of the population who can't make those decisions.
>>526721142Censorship is always evil. You want to do Censorship you've got to show that you're stopping something that's WAY worse. >b-but porn is bad for youWorse than Alcohol? Worse than Tobacco? No, destroying yourself is your god-given right. You have to show that someone is being hurt against their will.
>>526721142nobody voted for Trump to get rid of porndeport the fucking jeets
>>526729373>>526724589Lefties think the government is smarter than the people that run it
>>526721142Or you could fix the root of the problem (anyone under the age of 18 having unlimited internet access) instead. Because it's not just porn fucking up people's heads, but social media too. Fining parents when their kids are caught accessing an unrestricted computer allowing them free internet access is going to really be the only reasonable and effective method.
>>526729521>Worse than Alcohol? Worse than Tobacco?Probably and those things have harsh regulations to limit their spread, especially to children. Porn is already regulated but it has to be done on the supply side as in jailing porn producers. Otherwise by regulating the consumption side you open up the possibility that the regulations are actually used to suppress free flow of information.
>>526721142Imo banning porn outright isn't likely to work, but maybe forcing the big sites to make users click past articles about erectile dysfunction, porn induced ED, and stories of failed marriages due to a partners porn addiction could help.
>>526731083You outlaw its production and then regulate it with violence. Porn production isn't free speech, problem solved.
>>526721142Either porn should be completely criminalized, or it should be completely allowed. This “let’s create digital ID and keep porn legal” between-the-lines nonsense is jewish.
>>526728465Porn is just not good for you. You should never have to provide your ID to view things but porn should be totally criminalized. And yeah- that includes all the tiktok lewd dances that women produce by the million. You the viewer shouldn’t be arrested, but whoever uploads it needs to go work on a cotton plantation for a little bit.
>>526721595>and porn being widely availablethis didn't really happen until about 2012 or so when porn entered it's second internet era of just everything fucking video being free and porn sites turned into youtube alteratives instead of hidden behind paywalls
>>526721142/pol/ is an anonymous image board about politics. Everyone is equally offended here, there are no biases. When you attack /pol/, you attack free speech itself. The reason the board is anonymous is to prevent one voice from becoming louder or more important than another, as well as always being treated impartially before they speak. One’s presence is acknowledged through the sheer merit and validity of their contribution to the discussion. This is the highest standard for egalitarianism, is it not? I could imagine that an entrenched and controlling group of persons in a society would not like this idea, especially when they are endlessly trying to herd the masses via media, smartphones and surveillance. I mean who needs an RFID chip, when you can have the masses each carry around a small computer with video AND audio?4chan is everyone's voice (and there are the usual suspects that want to derail any intelligent public discourse), it is a place in which thoughts are not only finished, but expounded upon and refined. Crowd-sourced solutions that generally tend to work for the greater good./pol/ is being flooded b/c it is the last bastion of free speechthe flooding/devolution of discourse is intentional yet never matters, b/c everyone comes here first for newsall the shills end up doing is highlighting how important and effective 4chan is as a tool for free speech, international communication, verification, idea-sharing, to gauge public sentiment, and a general tendency TO WORK IN THE INTERESTS OF THE CITIZEN
>>526728745Smart guy who recognizes jewish strategies. This is the reason right here for why they’re pushing anti porn right now. Entirely a digital ID tactic.
>>526730817Yup. No viewer should be prosecuted. Only uploaders/producers.
>>526721142Paying someone for sex in the US is illegal in most states and yet paying someone to have sex with you on camera so that you can sell that footage for a profit is legal.This never made any sense.You don't need to infringe on 1st amendment to ban porn. You just need to extend the laws against the commercialisation of sex so that they cover porn production and sale. It would still be legal to take a photo of yourself naked, or a video of yourself having sex, and legal to distribute that material. It would just be illegal to sell that material for a profit. Or if even that is too much of an infringement for you, then just ban businesses from engaging in this activity. No porn studios, no porn distributors, no commerical porn sites, no commerical porn sharing platforms (like Only Fans). A company should not be allowed to directly financially incentivize and profit off of sex acts. That is not a 1A issue. You don't need to directly criminalise distribution.
>>526731878>>526728745The trick is to get them to abandon their principles, then it's just left-vs-right censorship
