It's over The West is finished.
>>526784686Who the fuck cares about what Denmark does?
>>526784686>may might sources saythey could build a better jet by themselves.
>maythey're not retarded enough to buy jets with killswitches on them. they will make their own
>>526784686why don't they just buy european jets
>>526784738This. Also, like hell we will.If we ever go with anything other than the 'murican stuff on andvanced weaponry like fighter jeets.It'll be French, or possible (I'm going to have to wash my mouth with soap after this) Swedish.French because they do good shit on that, and we like them. Swedish because they do really good shit on that and, eeh, well. they really do have a good record of making effecient reliable interceptors.
>>526784686They won't use them as their primary jet. While Denmark (and by extension Europeans) doesn't trust the US not to shut down F-35 software remotely. Neither do they trust the Chinese.>>526784850It would be too expensive for Denmark alone. But they can buy couple of J-20s and let Swedes take a look at it. SAAB has the capabilities to create jets and Denmark can negotiate a partnership with SAAB to build the next generation of SAAB fighters.
>>526784929Europe has jets?
>The post shares a speculative article claiming Denmark might buy Chinese J-20 stealth fighters for Greenland defense amid U.S. pressures under Trump, but mainstream sources like AP and Politico report no such discussions, only Danish troop deployments and rejections of exaggerated security threats.
>>526785174im just saying they could if they wanted to, but yeah id much rather a couple JAS 39s than any amount of "5th" gen temu shite.
When garbage like this is the best a Europen can do its no wonder they'd stop buying third wotld garbage
>>526785254European jets are better than F-35 in all aspects other than stealth. We can't produce true fifth generation fighters like the F-35 but have what is called Forth point five generation fighters.
>>526785254The rafale ruined its reputation but there's still the Gripen nd the eurofighter
>>526784686Art of the deal
>>526784686You have to be a brain dead faggot to believe that.
>>526785432Tiny radome, huge RCS, mediocre weaponry. That thing will get eaten by even peer 4th gens.European aerospace industries is just like DEI, only focussed on getting as many tiny shithole countries cut into the gravy train while not producing anything of value.Might as well buy Chinese or Russian at this point.
>>526785254Typhoons, Gripens, Rafales... And there's at least a couple new projects under development through international cooperation now.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Combat_Air_System_(UK)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Tempesthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Combat_Air_System
>>526784686Buying Chinese is retarded, but I can't shit on the idea of supplementing a fleet of F-35s with some interceptors or Air superiority fighters of a different make, it's very cautious.
>>526784686European stupidity, arrogance, and suicidal ideation knows no limits.
>>526785016You should just gaslight the jeets into how horrible french aircraft are and get theirs at a discount..... if you think you can get rid of the smell
>>526784686Canada is a chink country anyway British Columbia has nothing British about it, except for the occasional pakiIt’s more accurate to call is chinese columbia
>trump spends a shitton of money to make china less powerful>drives all of EU into china over some stupid shit about getting greenlandlol
Memes aside its staggering how bad 4th gen European fighter jets are with barely functional hardware. Europe is lucky they haven't been in a war or else they'd lose all their Eurofighters and Raffles. Japan knows when to put pride aside and buy American.
>>526785016The swedish planes are actually good and also cheap, Finland should have definetly went with Gripen, they also got combat tested some months back when pakis and indians got into it in the kashmir region
>>526785887You are right on how stupid it will be to trust PUCCIANS, on the other hand little Marco probably explained with children drawings to Donnie all the amount of money they were going to lose if he truly went full retarded and seceded from NATO and voided all the military supply contracts they had, in fact, someone may have given him a small note kindly explaining he won't last 24 hours if he further fucked it up. Wouldn't be the first US president to get offed by the Military Industrial Complex for messing around.No more wars? lol, you just wait.
>>526785432Retard.
>>526786117I mean, look at what they were going to fight against:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_accidentsHonestly, do you really think they felt like they should put some extra effort?
>>526786467Man it's beautiful.
>>526786194That is the thing about the Swedish option of that.They may not have the amount of bells and whistles the Americans are selling.But bang for buck, they very much do mass produce the interceptor jet version of what the A10 used to do.Reliable, cheap(ish) to buy and operate. With a shit-ton of grief on the recieving end of it to show.You and we both have our reasons to snub the Swedes. But it seems we also both have a "credit where credit is do" attitude to this, along with a "let bygones be bygones"
>>526786467>>526786664I have always wanted to see them. They are so beautiful. This summer I arrived in Iceland, as I was leaving the airport getting all my shit in the rental car, nine of them came roaring off the runway to do some Arctic patrols. Wish I had my camera ready, it was so cool.
>>526784686How many J-20 can you buy for the price of a single F-35? A whole squadron?
>>526784686>we should invade greenland or china will>gets distracted like the add burger mutt that he is>now there are chinese jets stationed in greenlandThat would be genuinely fucking hilarious
>>526784686Unlikely, since the J-20 is not for sale.The J-35 on the other hand...
>>526784738NATO does, Germany does, Russia does, China does. Okay, Germany is irrelevant but not the others.
I told ya, commies
>>526784850>>526784902"May" means "we have a beautiful deal" according to Trump.
>president acts like a petulant middle schooler. >Yurop and America show cracks>China sells advanced jets to yurop>Lol tricked you>Hands it over to the US>Get a good look to see how good or shitty their hardware really is>Just as plannedWould be so funny. Sad we haven't had a Mig-25 defector moment yet.
>>526786806A better question is how many j20s a single f35 can take on. Over/under is 4.5
>>526786693>You and we both have our reasons to snub the SwedesThe decision for Finland to buy F35 I believe was very much about politics at the time, with jets you should have logistics in order and Sweden is right next door so the logistics chain automatically makes sense, even if F35 is a better plane individually you could get more with the same amount of money out of buying Gripens, its a place designed for lower operating costs and F35 parts are made in the US exclusively, nobody else is allowed to produce a lot of those components exept Israel ofcourse
>>526786806It might cost just a fraction of the F-35 and is only to get cheaper as more of them are being built.Wikipedia numbers are very conservative; latest estimates are 450 planes by end of 2025. With foreign orders coming in, China might be able to pump them out for the cost of a European 4th gen.
>>526786096>drives eu to ChinaThats the idea Mohamed. You are a hindrance to your allies, go leach off the bugs for a while
>"The west"Everyone has learned the US is a paper burger.
>>526787032Most of J20 is copied from the americans anyways like any other chinese technology, they would look in and probably see its very familiar. This is why chinks send hundreds of thousands of people to study and work in the technology sector in the US, its cheaper to steal than to do RND
>>526786847Either way you're going to have jets that have software you know nothing about and can be remotely disabled if you decide to go against the country who provided them. F-35s and J-35s have backdoor killswitches. The F-35I does not
>>526786467She's so pretty.
Guys, please don't cancel all the F-35 orders. We need a few to reverse engineer and steal the burger tech.
>>526784686And is China gonna pilot them?
Korean or maybe turkey is more likely than china to supply them with the next gen fighterThis is so random and unbelievable
All this posturing by other nations is going to lead to a very bad outcome for everyone if they keep going with this.If US hegemony is ever truly threatened they will simply orbital laser strike, nuke and send in the black project ufo's to cull them all.Seriously just fucking give Trump greenland. 200 years from now someone else is going to own it anyway, Greenlanders are never going to keep it.
>>526784686... And is China going to pilot them? Because we saw how their shit worked over Venezuela. Cheap and plastic garbage, dogshit, leftovers from our military and science endeavors. They copy our tech and get the last, run bitch of the litter of it. Then they're surprised when we come to their threads and SHIT all over their garbage tech. Fuck China.Long live Hong Kong.
>>526785437the f35 is just a glorified jobs program. its garbage.
I want Norway to buy the KA-52 so bad. The tail rotor on normal helicopters is such a clear weak spot.
>>526785254I really like the Draken but its old now
>>526784686Lmao. Ok. Do it. The j20 sucks ass.
>>526784929Bickering and rivalry between European states
>>526785016Why do Danes dislike swedes? I thought you were the same race
>>526786467That's a beautiful bird
>>526784686lol do it faggots
>>526788987There was 1 old radar in VenezuelaAgainst modern Chinese tech, the muttoid stands NO CHANCE.
>>526790080Dude, the contra-rotating main rotor design is such a dumb shit. You bank too sharply, you catch bad turbulence, are whatever, and those rotor blades flex into each other and shred themselves.
>>526785174>shut down F-35 software remotelynot a thing as part of the aircraft design, but a separate non-aircraft related american capability and your cargo cult nigger brain is just trying to fill in the blanks
>>526787816false.
>>526784686How do they avoid customers reverse engineering their electronics?
>>526791816>Why do Danes dislike swedes?It's just a meme. We're basically the same.
>>526784686DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!!
>>526784686Okay Chang.>buying Chinese over the Eurofighter, Rafale or Grippen.This is ignoring the KF-21from Korea or TF KAAN the turks are building.You also have the Brit, Jap, Italian GCAP and the French, German, Spanish FCAS programs.
>>526785174>doesn't trust the US not to shut down F-35 software remotelyJust a conspiracy theory. The real problem is that we can't get software updates without US approval. Also some maintenance becomes impossible without US support.
>we might buy some components from China for military purposes>OMG THEY WILL LITERALLY SWAP THE ENTIRE FLEET OF F35S WITH J-20S!!!!Every twatter faggot needs to be killed with rocks
>>526790080its shit
Who cares, apparently Trump just decided he's no longer anti-China despite moaning about Chinese influence not even a week agoDoes the dude even have a foreign policy
>>526784686Remember when Turkey bought the S-400 and was kicked out of all tech sharing with the US?
>>526793143do you understand why?
>>526793143>>526793263
True if big
>>526784686Its nice to know sooner rather than later that they were always fair-weather friends. Think of it as addition by subtraction.
>>526785254Jeets? Yes.
>>526785796Right, Boeing is really crushing Airbus
>>526791934Sneed's Feed & Seed (formerly Chuck's)
>>526785174>partnership with SAABThat won't work, Swedes charge too much money, if we want the Mutts dead we need affordable gear.
>>526786581has a modern euro plane ever faced real anti air measures like ours have? I doubt it.
>>526786467wtf design is that?
>>526792227none of these are 5th gen or anywhere ready.China is already pumping more J-20s out than F-22s in existence and it has become the 2nd most numerous stealth fighter in existence.But even if the Chinese wont sell their Tier 1 stuff like they never do, the J-35A is an actual export stealth fighter that they are offering to Pakistan etc.
>>526784686oh no now they surrender for 10 hours, not 6, wow, thats change everything
>>526784686I said it before, Trump is playing a heel role.His whole purpose is to draw in the world's ire and destroy decades old white allegiances.
>>526786467uh, are those external hardpoints?
>>526796184Yes, Rafale faced the Chinese J-10C last year and lost LMAO>inb4 indian piloteddoesnt matter, since it all happened in BVR at max distance and the Rafale didnt even pick up the launch signature of the Chinese missiles. They were outmatched like that.
>>526796278Sinking a few Mutt boats killing thousands of mutts in the process is worth every kr.
>>526784686Can someone explain the point of NATO if they gonna stab you in the back like this anyway? Just fucking end that pointless shit already.
>>526796368thats exactly how i would cope, good call
>>526786467saw them live on a military parade in Hungary.. pretty birds.
>>526796370nato is basically justice league and non-mutts are the non-superman characters.china is like batman except the plot device on the utility belt is just narrative craft and cope
>>526784686>driven into the armslol what? Canada has long be comped by China. Chinese police stations in Toronto, Chinese buying everything in vancouver, literal fucking chinese plants in gov in a revealed RCMP report that went unreleased so we don't get to know who it is. Opening free Visa travel to and from China.Canada is literally in bed with China. THAT is the reason why Carney is so ambivalent against the US.
>>526796370NATO exists to serve American interests. Not european.When we wanted to fuck with Russia, we use NATO for it.When we dont care about Russia anymore, NATO can go to hell.If europoors actually thought that NATO means that every member becomes a second Israel, they are absolutely retarded.
>>526786806Not even one. They cost $120+ million USD domestically for China, and would be double that for export. The F-35A cost around $83 million USD domestically, and export around $100 million. And don't you low IQ retarded fucks start quoting foreign contracts for the F-35 that include spare parts, engines, simulators, training, weapons, etc and just dividing that would order by the number of F-35's the other country is getting as that's retarded and excludes 50%+ of what's actually in those orders.
>>526787689>AmericansOther than specific features, I'd bet those jets are more Russian internally than anything else.
>>526785432Why can't Eurocucks into stealth? This plane is so trash it's featured in War Thunder lmao
>>526796572Eurocuck non-stealth delta-canards are also bad, losing against chinese delta-canards.
>>526796263>none of these are 5th genNeither is the J-20. It lacks the WS-15 engine, and still uses a WS-10 derivative, has a shitty knock-off Israeli AESA that is literally two generations behind the AN/APG-81 in the F-35, lacks sensor fusions, has 4th gen EO/IR, lacks DAS, etc. The J-20 is a 4th++ gen larping as a 5th gen.
>>526785016>or possible (I'm going to have to wash my mouth with soap after this) Swedishtruly a horrific thought
>>526796360oh no no no.... meanwhile our shit got past Russian AA in Venezuela and iran. im starting to change my opinion on constant military action. maybe it is beneficial to test shit instead of chest beating.
>>526796664None of that is true, btw.WS15 has been flying for years, their radars are several generations more advanced than the APG81 by virtue of not being retarded in Gallium Nitrite technologies unlike the US MIC that is filled with incompetent indians, and their electrooptics are comparable to what we have.Stop always compairing the J-20 of 2011 to the latest block F-35, because China also does iterations and blocks as everyone does. The latest J-20A is a significantly different plane compared to the LRIP versions that has flown with WS-10 or AL-31F2s.And as for stealth; isnt the F-47 also a Delta-Canard plane? Proves that this configuration has nothing to do with being unstealthy.
>>526796437More like Chinese Wayne bought the sun and built superman fortress of solitude.
>>526784686the dumb fucking danes have no idea what they will start
>>526796813>insider job Maduro kidnapping after traitors sold him out and deactivated the entire air-defensevs.>actual military confrontation between two sworn enemies with modern weaponsNot the flex you think it is
>>526784850or just buy better from Sweden next door
>>526796635Stealth just like "gen" is a US sales gimmickEurope could shit out a generation leaping gen 8 tomorrow and it wouldnt count as "gen" is loosely defined on what the us airforce put in the orderbook for their next gen fighter
>>526796913none of the european 4th gen trash is gonna work if you want to defend against the USA.You need stealth fighters or you can go down to your knees and prepare to suck my cock.
>>526796942SAAB is increasing their industry by like 5 times this year, will have 5th gen before next year.
>>526788987Falun nigger detectedCaptcha: star of david
>>526796924>Stealth just like "gen" is a US sales gimmickTry to beat a decent F35 pilot in your shitty Rafail or Eurotroon in DCS and say that again nigger monkey
>>526792227> and the French, German, Spanish FCAS programs. those are dead. Even if they weren't, they not materialise into actual planes before the 2040s
>>526796848>None of that is true, btw.All of it is true.>WS15 has been flying for yearsNo it hasn't. Chinks have been claiming that it's in mass production every year since 2020, and we've yet to see one J-20 flying with one. And no, a fucking different nozzle does not, and never will be proof that it's a WS-15 and not a WS-10.>their radars are several generations more advanced than the APG81No, they're literally two generations behind, like I stated. All facts.>by virtue of not being retarded in Gallium Nitrite technologiesTheir radar is a copy of an Israeli GaAs. The AN/APG-81 uses GaAs, you uneducated know nothing fuck. Also, there's no evidence China can mass produce GaN based T/R modules>unlike the US MIC that is filled with incompetent indiansThere's barely any poos in defense. WTF are you even talking about?>and their electrooptics are comparable to what we have.Their EO/IR tech is in no way comparable to what the US uses. You have proof to back that claim up, I assume?
>>526797026>in DCS>in DCSlmfaoThe f35 traded high speeds for low temperature meme coating, in other words it traded effective missile range for detection range. A f35 with an active radar lock (no longer stealth) on a jet going 700 knots faster is at a massive kinetic disadvantage.In bvr combat a faster plane will rape the shit out of a sitting duck>ITS NOT TRUE ITS NOT TRUEthen explain why the Airforce relies on the massively more powerfull F22 for air defence
>>526797306China already exports GaN T/R modules since 2017. The earliest J-20 already had their first gen GaN AESA installed. The latest block has their most advanced GaN radars and in the air-war against India, the Rafails couldnt even pick up the LPI signatures of their throwaway PL-15 AESA seekers, let alone export versions of the Type 1473 installed on the J-10CsIn terms of electronics, and especially in terms of rare earth element electronic products, nobody comes close to China. This is the simple truth, no matter how much you /k/ope. Ask any supply chain expert in this field.
>>526796848>And as for stealth; isnt the F-47 also a Delta-Canard plane?No. What part of artist representation do you not understand? Furthermore, canards with a tailless design are a compromise. Trading stealth for low speed controllability for carrier landings. See pic. Canards are Navy, and trade stealth for carrier landing control. Learn what you're talking about, idiot.>ICE:https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADB212813.pdfhttps://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADB232172.pdfhttps://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADB212361.pdf>Proves that this configuration has nothing to do with being unstealthy.It's objectively less stealth from the front than a no canard design, and is used only to help with control during a carrier landing. Something the J-20 doesn't have to do. The J-20 has canards because delta wing configurations are notoriously shitty at low speed handling and in high alpha (AOA) situations. So, they added canards to get some low speed control back, and to help with high AOA handling.
>>526784686stupid idea, better for a grippen or rafale. Maybe eurofighter if they are still being made
>>526797739So, the highly paid artist hired by the DoW has no fucking idea. Got it lmao.>tfw canards 6th gen project go back for at least a decadeWill you ack yourself when the F-47 comes out with cucknards?
>>526792042By being one of the few sovereign nations with the technical staff and know-how that it doesn't matter to them. What's Denmark going to RE that isn't already known or they can't act on? >>526797306>There's barely any poos in defense.Anon... I...
>>526797739this nigga thinks canards are flaps
>>526797574>GaN radar module and substrate.pngOHH, it's the /k/ chinkshill lol lmao evenhttps://desuarchive.org/k/search/filename/GaN%20radar%20module%20and%20substrate.png/>>526797574>China already exports GaN T/R modules since 2017.They do? May I see them?>The earliest J-20 already had their first gen GaN AESA installed.Proof? And no, a literal CCP state media propaganda piece with nothing but words is not, and never will be proof.>The latest block has their most advanced GaN radarsProof? May I see these GaN T/R modules mounted to an AESA mounted to a J-20?>and in the air-war against IndiaOh, going to the paki and CCP state approved cope, now?>the Rafails couldnt even pick up the LPI signatures of their throwaway PL-15 AESA seekersDid Paki and CCP state propaganda tell you this? What actual proof so you have of this?>let alone export versions of the Type 1473 installed on the J-10CsAgain, what is your actual proof? And no, I will not take CCP and Pakistan state propaganda as fact.>In terms of electronics, and especially in terms of rare earth element electronic products, nobody comes close to China.You're huffing too much CCP farts, Dong Tu Smol. China has to get their high-tech chips from Japan and SK. China is just a glorified assembly country and does not produce anything high-tech, they assemble them.>This is the simple truth, no matter how much you /k/ope.You chinsects are literally unable to tell the truth.>Ask any supply chain expert in this field.Let me guess CCP approved ones?
>>526798001>baaaawww it's the same guy who I lost against on an extremely astroturfed board and against which I had to call the jannies to ban him for making me butthurt!!11Go back to /k/, that one shithole that people like you have already turned into a dumping ground for you nafotroons.You still cant deny the fact that the US military is made of lies and dishonesty.
>>526797969Where the fuck did you get that from, you inbred shitskin or coping chinsect.>>526797923>Anon... I...So, prove me wrong.>>526797876>So, the highly paid artist hired by the DoW has no fucking idea.No, it literally says right on it. Are you fucking retarded? IT will most likely look like picrel, and have some ICE like blown slots, holes, it.https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/the-f-47-wont-look-anything-like-the-images-shown-by-president-trump/>Images of the F-47 Next-Generation Air Dominance fighter, released by the Air Force on March 21 when the program was awarded to Boeing, are mere placeholders and aren’t intended to accurately portray the aircraft, despite showing only a small portion of it, Air Force and industry officials told Air & Space Forces Magazine. The idea is to keep adversaries guessing about the true nature of the NGAD design.https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-forces-ngad-images-placeholders/https://theaviationist.com/2025/04/21/ngad-images-edited/
>>526798114Meme chart desu. F135 is still best engine. Thrust to weight isn't everything.
>>526798114So, no proof, just deflect to the shipping weight cope of the F135? Typical coping, lying chinsect.
chink cope best cope
>>526798219Wow blowholes? You mean like those throwaway guided rockets that China exports since 2014?implessive.Is this what you are so proud about? Next time, you gotta show me a J-20 lookalike and tell me that this is somehow completely different LMAO
>>526796899>the cope of the russaboo in its natural habitat.
>>526798371It literally isnt.The Indians tried very hard and did everything within their power to defeat Pakistan, even managing to send a few cruise missiles to strike Pakistani airbases. Venezuela simply did jackshit with what they had.Pakistan simply did much better. Even Dassault agreed that the Rafale was defeated because they didnt expect the PL-15 to have extreme engagement ranges.
>>526797468DCS is a realistic simulator
>>526797468So the F22, a plane from the 90's can push your shit in? Is that what you're saying? Nice. I'm not even gonna bother checking if your Eurocuck cope is true.
>>526798370>Wow blowholes? You mean like those throwaway guided rockets that China exports since 2014?No, and it's clear you know nothing about what you're trying to converse with me about. It's like trying to talk physics with a monkey. Come talk to me when Chiner can produce a KKV on the level of a 1989 US LEAP or EKV.
>>526798467wtf does Pakistan have to do with us bombing iran, who uses Russian AA for its defense, and it didnt even detect us? keep on topic my guy.
>>526798219>Trading stealth for low speed controllability for carrier landingsits just too comical.>>526798567based on fanfiction, the real numbers on active service equiptment are classified, especially performance stats of missiles>>526798639>a plane from the 90s is comparable to another plane from the 90ssasuga, i accept your capitulation
Why not use European planes instead?Why is Europe so interested in other countries defending it vs Europe defending it's self?
>>526798761>a US stealth plane from the 90's is better than Eurotrash garbage from todayzozzle
>>526798643China has KKVs for decades. The 2007 ASAT shootdown that created that huge debris cloud in orbit was done by a hit-to-kill KKV. During the last military parade, China has shown their HQ-29 ABM missile which is their equivalent to the SM-3.
>>526784686I'd honestly rather buy an EU 4th gen than waste money on chink shit.
>>526798653Venezuela had their AD switched off by traitors, Iran suffered heavy sabotage on the ground by Mossad and there was a political backroom deal with the US to let them bomb that nuclear facility to give face to Trump (it did jackshit to the facility in the end).Pakistan vs India had nothing of sort. No backroom deal, no traitors, no sabotage. It is a pitched battle where the quality of the hardware and pilots were shown in an unadultered fashion. And in that confrontation, Chinese stuff came ahead of European stuff.
>>526798949rofl, delicious cope.
The (obvious) cat is out of the bag, same with canada suddenly claiming allegiance with china and mentioning new world order (holy fucking cringe)Chinks have infiltrated those countries, which explains the retarded pushback on greenland. The US should straight up maduro both canada and denmarks leader
>>526798984it really isnt.Iran always warns the US hours in advance before they launch missiles against US bases in the area. Iran has zero interests in killing US soldiers and the B-2 bombing of the Iranian nuclear facility was another of these performative political deals.
They'll buy anything but European. It's like these retards don't learn.
>>526798949>No goy Russian anti-air was just turned off, it's stronksRussian anti-air failed in Armenia, Failed in Syria failing in Ukraine and failed Venezuela and failed Iran.The cuckening couldn't be more obvious. if you buy Russian anti-air it's going to fail
>>526784686I would be terrified if I knew I was flying in a Chinese plane.
>>526791869Holy cope.
>>526799097Assuming it's not remotely switched off when you want to fly them.
>>526799084I don't get it either. The Eurofighter was pretty decent and it's not like there aren't any good defense aircraft manufactures in Europe
>>526784686>Chinese colonies to buy chink crapno one cares
>>526797468>The f35 traded high speeds for low temperature meme coating, in other words it traded effective missile range for detection range. The F-35 can do mach 1.6 with a full internal combat load-out. None of the Eurocanards can do more than mach 1.5 with a combat loadout due to extra external drag. Just like a clean F-16 can do mach 2.0, but, once you put weapons, drop tanks, sensors pods on it, it will barely push mach 1.3 in full after burner, again, due to drag because like Eurocanards, the F-16 has to carry all of its shit externally.>A f35 with an active radar lock (no longer stealth) on a jet going 700 knots faster is at a massive kinetic disadvantage.The F-35 can do 1067 knots with a combat loadout, adding 700 knots to that would mean the Eurocanard is going mach 2.65. No Eurocanard can do mach 2.65, even when they're completely clean with zero munitions, drop tanks, and sensor pods. They'll be lucky to be able to go mach 1.5 when loaded for combat in full after burner. Which is going to dramatically lower their combat radius and time on station. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.>In bvr combat a faster plane will rape the shit out of a sitting duckSee above, you uneducated know nothing idiot.
>>526799097The EU will soon fly them.RyanAir has signalled interest to buy C919s and the EU is already in the process of certifying it.
>>526799162It's not even a matter of quality but of military sovereignty (also increasing economy in EU zone). Danes are obviously stupid. This EU stuff is just a joke at this point and it would be better if EU was dissolved, so danes and the like can gobble all the non european cock they want. Fucking denmark, even less relevant than belgium.
>>526798949>it was off in Venezuela bro, I swear!you weren't there, so your opinion on the matter is useless to me >brings up Pakistan, again, when I keep mentioning Iran's AA is Russian and we got past it with zero radar pingsrussaboo cope is just as good as germaboo.
>>526799259if you think about it, a united europe would essentially be a larger austro Hungarian empire, with exactly all the same problems. a united Europe cant work because you guys are too ethno centric.
>>526799180nigga the eurofighter can supercruise in interceptor configuration. Its the one job it was designed for
>>526799203LMAOChina makes your aircraftChina makes your electronicsChina makes your critical hardwareChina makes your furnitureChina makes your medicineChina makes your clothesChina makes your batteriesChina makes your steelChina makes your shipsChina makes your portsChina makes your buildingsMaybe letting a hostile Nigtatorship country control your entire economy is a bad idea.
>>526799372I agree, also irrelevant countries like denmark (or belgium, or whatever) are just dead weight on a diplomatic and military matters.No bombs, no military industry, bare bone army. What's the point of them being under our nuclear protection if they sleep with the enemy anytime they can. Yesterday it's the USA, now look how it developped, now they give china leverage.
>>526799524>Maybe letting a hostile Nigtatorship country control your entire economy is a bad idea.yeah, that's why Europe needs to decouple from USA
>>526798761>its just too comical.What's comical about facts? It's more comical that you're low IQ and obviously know nothing about fighters nor aerodynamics, yet, think you're Einstein.>>526798860>China has KKVs for decades.May I see them?>The 2007 ASAT shootdown that created that huge debris cloud in orbit was done by a hit-to-kill KKV.Yeah, one equivalent to the "KKV" use in the SDI Delta-180 from the mid 1980s. Nothing like the EKV or LEAP KKV.>During the last military parade, China has shown their HQ-29 ABM missile which is their equivalent to the SM-3.Got any proof of that? May I see some tests? What about wee the actual interceptor and the KKV attached to it? A truck with a fiberglass tube on the back doesn't prove anything.
>>526799554Decoupling from the US to cozy with China or Russia fixes nothing
>>526799422>nigga the eurofighter can supercruise in interceptor configuration.No it can't, and what exactly is interceptor configuration? Even completely empty it will barely push mach 1.4 supercruise.
>>526785016>fighter jeetsThat's Canadian weaponry not American.
>>526784686euros are by their very nature retardedthese are countries who willingly commit suicide by bringing in people to kill themselves withwhy would anyone care about them? they are going to die out anyways?
>>526791748Whatever China sent to Iran escorting the 747’s with miniaturized tactical nuke warheads scared the crap out Israel and the U.S..I get the hubris. China’s stuff is untested, but their kill chains worked a few months ago. I postulate this. Fly a squadron of Americas best, over beijing and then back home and let me know how it goes. China is a very cool cucumber but this cope we have is dangerous. They had decades to steal everything we made and multiple admins and defense contractors should be in prison. I would say with confidence. If we have it, they have it. +/- aircraft carriers. And they don’t have 60% of their young men who can’t get a girlfriend that won’t leave or cheat the minute they get deployed to war.
>>526799538a very good observation. maybe the larger European nations should start taking the smaller ones and slowly degrade and replace their cultures with their own. slowly turning them into extention of themselves and then annex them. individual consolidation seem to be fine for you guys, but the entire continent would raise larger problems with assimilation process im proposing. what do you think you guys should do?
>>526784686>some jeet blogger said somethingIT'S WELL AND TRULY HABBENING!
>>526784686Like a beaten wife running to someone else to pimp her out
>>526799704>Whatever China sent to Iran escorting the 747’s with miniaturized tactical nuke warheads scared the crap out Israel and the U.S..What the fuck is your crack smoking ass talking about?
>>526799610They couldn't ally with Russia because it would look pathetic - they funded the war in Ukraine and Russia would tell them to piss off.But China is the new global superpower that makes everything. It's only wise to ally with China now that America has proven itself to be an unreliable third world country led by a senile pedophile.
>so but mad he looked at my earlier posts>just like a clean F-16 can do mach 2.0, but, once you put weapons, drop tanks, sensors pods on it, it will barely push mach 1.3 in full after burner>sensor pods in interceptor configurationwhat makes you think the f16 even remotely comparable thrust to the EF
>>526799794>But China is the new global superpowerYou wish, Chang. If Chiner were so gleat like you claim, you would live their and not CHOOSE to live in Australia.
>>526799794But China,Russia and Israel installed Trump. if anything this proves that you shouldn't let those countries run yours
>>526799794>cant ally russia, thats embarrassing (still buys their oil)>can ally china (whos russia ally) cuz that makes sensestick to delivering food, chang. thoughts are too much for you
>>526799575China is doing ABM tests like every year. There are tons of reports by the DoD on these tests.https://www.twz.com/china-conducts-sixth-missile-defense-test-one-year-after-the-last-oneIn return, can you show me an US made GaN T/R module? Or a flying 6th generation tailless fighter?
>>526799855>>526799662So, you just going to act like a child and run away while making smug posts and not quoting me because you're just so cool and not seething? lol lmao even.
>>526799737>what do you think you guys should do?If I was president of France, I'd understand Denmark chose china for military protection and wish them the best.
>>526799863I'm not a chinese citizen so I can't live there, faggot.You know what country I *really* don't want to live in? America.If I want to get the American experience I just play some GTA.>>526799885Nobody "installed" Trump, he got voted in by the 80 IQ american population. No need for any weird election fraud bullshit when American cattle are so easily propagandized into voting for Israeli puppets.
>>526784686Chink shit that even explodes without a killswitch, how cool.
>>526784686kys lying wumao
>>526784929Why dont you just stop supporting a demented kike pedophile child rapist who spray paints his disgusting pig snout orange
>>526799958The burning buildings are built by a British owned company in 1987, as per british colonial housing laws - the same that caused the London Greenfield fires.
>>526799944>Nobody "installed" Trump,He got bailed out by foreign interests group when he got sent to jail. He then tampered with the US election and then used DODGE to erase the evidence from government servers by deleted dead SSN. All from help from Russia,Israel,China and Elon. Elon wants a giga factory in China so he has to win their favor anyway
>>526789171F22 was the same, I remember reading that after every mission the body needed repairing to maintain stealth. It'll spend more time in the repair shop.I don't think Chinese planes are a particular good idea but at least it won't gobble up all your defence budget.
>>526800018The burning buildings were built by Hong Kong and burnt down by China.
they are so petty just to avoid the little brother complex and just buying the superior jas gripen
>>526799944>ching ching ping pongsuch a beautiful language.
>>526800056I never understand these copes. >the chinese, Russians, and israelis decided to fuck themselves over by helping install trump instead of keeping Joe biden. it makes zero sense.
>>526799855>>526799929Also, with a combat load and 50% fuel the EF and F-16 have almost the same T/W ratio. So, yeah.>>526799944You're either a chink, poo, or shitskin. Which is it?>>526799921>China is doing ABM tests like every year. There are tons of reports by the DoD on these tests.May I see these tests? Nothing in that article proved what you claimed. Also, again, I'll ask:Got any proof of that? May I see some tests? What about wee the actual interceptor and the KKV attached to it? A truck with a fiberglass tube on the back doesn't prove anything.>In return, can you show me an US made GaN T/R module?Sure, now, can you show me China's?https://www.wolfspeed.com/products/materials/sic-for-rf-devices/https://www.rtx.com/news/news-center/2025/09/23/rtx-unveils-new-apg-82vx-radar-enhanced-with-gallium-nitridehttps://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/mission-solutions/radars/an-tps-80-ground-air-task-oriented-radar-g-atorhttps://www.army-technology.com/news/raytheon-tpy-2-radar-gan/https://www.qorvo.com/newsroom/news/2019/qorvo-gan-technology-to-upgrade-us-army-radar-systemhttps://www.defensenews.com/land/2025/05/20/rtx-delivers-first-radar-to-mda-that-can-track-hypersonic-weapons/>Or a flying 6th generation tailless fighter?What, exactly, makes that 6th gen? Be detailed, and provide sources, please.
>>526800018It wasn't the building that caused it. It was the shitty, cheap, flammable green nets that the CCP supplied construction company put allover the building that caught on fire after one of the workers fucked up. It was solely the fault of the CCP company that put banned safety screen on the whole building, and then caught it on fire because fuck safety, get it done and get it done cheap.
>>526784738Clearly, America does, a lot
>>526784686>more rhetoric from politicians>definitely not just hot airNothing. Ever. Happens.
>>526784929>why don't they just buy european jetsChinky jets BTFOed both European and Russia machines during recent India-Pakistani conflict.
>>526784686LMAO China selling J-20 to NATO countries. They wouldn't even sell Serbia Aircraft. Serbia went for French Rafales...
>>526792227>Okay ChangHe did the memeThis jew pig did the memeHahahahahNow go back to /k/ to psyop troons into becoming zogbots.HahhhahahaKILL YOURSELFILLYOURSELF
>>526802052>t.
>>526784686The euroviet union is finished the moment they 'engage' the US and A, the US and A is consolidating it's position albeit not hard enough if you ask me as Trump for whatever reason isn't in a hurry to squash the insurrectionists and commies when out in the open, you can't have a functional country when 1/3 of it wants the other 2/3 raped and killed.
>>526802052You're from Düsseldorf aren't you?
>>526802320Pajeet
>>526784686Dumb fuck. The commie shill article is 3 days old. Deal has already been reached on Greenland. The "Greenland crisis" is over.
>>526802459No, little village in upper bavaria, ama
>>526802320>youre haboi hanna if you point out jewish shill tacticsOk zionshill denounce the talmud and world jewry specifically naming zelensky for me. Go ahead.In the meantime i can denounce the talmud, the jew karl marx, jewish communism and the chinese communist party specifically naming xi jinping (winnie the poo) and announce that jesus christ is God (creator of the universe and everything in it)
>>526791816At this point it's a running gag. Historically we've had a gorillion wars with each other. They won all the last ones and took a sizeable chunk of our landmass.
>>526802955I agree, thats why i disagree with the notion that anyone would have to help denmark defend its colonies (greenland).Especially since daneniggers (who are privileged in our parliaments) still occupy german lands.Give it back + pay the rent + reparations from viking activity
>>526803067Despite our politicians being outright cuckolds AND your best efforts to rig the election, Nordslesvig voted to remain Danish. Frederik X is the rightful duke of both Slesvig and Holsten.
>>526802557>>526802954Seethe sub-humans.
>>526803239Treaty of versailles you faggotBtw you know you get a special privilege in our parliaments an the danish party is even part of national parliament.Literally danish subversion like israeli dual citizens in america, not quite as bad but still.Germany is for germans.
>>526803286Why havent you denounced the talmud yet?
>>526784686>Denmark magically now has all the money for all the defense they wantThat's weird hmm
AlsoChina is Russia's ally, would those jets have remote disable switches?
>>526803519>>526803239just anchless already!
>>526803586America could destroy denmark easily, you people murdered over one million iraqis in iraq, theres just about 5 milion iraqis in denmark (fuck denmark they occupy german land)
>>526803569And what the fuck would that prove you mentally ill alcoholic sub-human? You know kikes can just fucking lie, don't you? And your retarded fucking ass would eat it up because you're a mentally ill alcoholic sub-human with a negative IQ. I denounce the torah, talmud, and whatever kike book you think kikes can't lie about. You goofy fucking loon. Dennis, you really need to take your meds, and I'm being 100% serious. Also, stop being an alcoholic as it's clearly not good for our mental illness.
>>526803678>germany becomes a danish colony like greenlandCan i get an eskimo squaw that way? If so im for it.
>>526803752>I denounce the torahJew detected!!Why do you eglinniggers always make it so obvious?
>>526803519>area full of Danes>only part of Germany because Germany blatantly rigged the election where they decided who to go to after WW1>only held election because Danish politicians were cucks, while England was just going to give it all back to Denmark>"rightful German clay" "fuck them Danes living there for thousands of years"Are you listening to yourself?
>>526784686
>>526803808>Can i get an eskimo squaw that way? best they can do is some piss bombs and ozempic.
>>526784686>buy jets made out of chinesium>plane software with back doors>unable to buy partsGood plan from the panty twisters.
>china installs secret police stations and siphons loads of money out of the countryi sleep>trump further refuses allowing the US to remain both the world's protector and scapegoatHE DROVE US INTO CHINA'S ARMS
>>526803752>yada & yada>denouncing the bible because jews hate christ when promopted to denounce the talmud>wont denounce world jewry>non squiturs my post>youre le brown kremlinmaga russian shill alternstivelx chineseOk you have masked off like only eglinniggers can.Now post the alex (((meachem))) doxx if you have it, please.
>>526803952Too bad, i really really need an eskimo squaw to build an igloo with and club seals.Literally the only thing i need (desperately)
>>526803752>I denounce the torah, talmud, and whatever kike book you think kikes can't lie about.>>526803879Dennis, are you drunk, off your meds and having a mental episode again? This isn't healthy, and you need to listen to your state appointed therapist tard wrangler.>>526803943You're talking to Dennis, a literal mentally ill alcoholic Serbian mutt that lives in Germany and collects welfare. He's not German, and never will be.
>>526804103maybe western Canada or Alaska has what you need. im pretty sure they yukan is full of Eskimo pussy, Germbro. but why the obsession, if I may ask?
>>526803943Slavic style copeIts like saying the czechs who built praha also built the bavarian town of prag, ridiculously retarded notion.
>>526784686kek yeah Denmark is gonna buy some cope-20s now that they have jets that can easily shoot them down.
>>526784686That would be hilarious. I bet we end up with one of them.
>>526804064>>526804157Oh, you are drunk, off your crazy pills and having a mental health episode. You are honestly, and I'm being 100% serious here, one pathetic fucking sub-human, and society would be better if you suck started a 12 gauge.
>>526785437The F-15EX is the best 4th Gen fighter jet in the world
>>526804191>but why the obsession, if I may ask?Its more of a joke but these squaws do look cute.Imagine crawling into your igloo with a fresh seal while shes breastfeeding the second baby and spitting chewed up fish into your infant firstborn son's mouth.
>>526804320>just vile jewish ramblingMore yada and more yada and zero denouncing of zog.Kys eglinnigger your script is getting stale
Nordcucks and Krauts are all talk. In reality they are about to order another batch of f35s.
>>526804456lmao, wtf.
>>526784686Absolute bullshit. There are European models they can buy, and China is banned from competing for defence contracts in Europe.
>>526804751
>being a loyal poodleLoyal how?
>>526804575>>526803752>I denounce the torah, talmud, and whatever kike book you think kikes can't lie about.Take your fucking meds, Dennis. They're given to you for a reason, you pathetic sub-human loser.
>>526804883I gotta check if theres a reservation near by.....
>>526804972>shill wont drop his angle, not allowed to deviate from the script>denouncing the torah i e. The old testament because their jewish masters hate God and worship demonsYou can keep up the namecalling eglinnigger who cannot denounce world jewry specifically naming zelensky as well as ZOG and globohomoYou can keep on not making any points, how did that shit workout for you faggots for the last 10 years?
>>526805483Less posty more med takey
>>526784686J-20 could finish a F-22 in like 5 seconds.America really is finished.
>>526786467IKEA made this?
>>526805963wanna buy a ticket to glorious nation of taiwan? u.s. dorrar onry...
>>526785661Nah, as much as you wish for it, India ruined the reputation they already didn't have further.You don't ignore daily maintenance on a jet or the machine spirit will prefer suicide to operating in India.
>>526784686>implying Europe isn't already completely dependent on China for everything
>>526796360Pilots is a prestigious job you get by being from a good family.Not by being able to pilot.Only in India and soon america.
>>526784686Why? We should just buy Swedish or French ones.
>>526808078Didn't Rafales just get BTFO in India?
>>526796942>none of the european 4th gen trash is gonna work if you want to defend against the USAI think you're missing the point there. The J20 is Chinese, and therefore doesn't work, let alone compete with 4th generation fighters.Why not get something that works and won't send 4 liters of blood crashing down into the pilot's pelvis every time they have to bank and roll?
Why is /pol/ so hopelessly retarded when it comes to military hardware?
>>526808204A lot of that appears to be massive skill issue than the plane itself. India's military is comically incompetent, and most of their forces only join so they can avoid starvation in the shitting streets.
>>526808204Yes, if you believe inbred cousin fucking pakis who's most famous export to the West are grooming gangs
>>526808384>and therefore doesn't workI'm sure it's based off Western technology they purchased from Israel. Most of their equipment is.
>>526784686Honestly I just don’t care about fighter jets, but I really, really like tanks, why did some anons get tank autism, and some jet autism?
>>526784686Good for those retards>nobody cares
>>526784686still dont care
>>526808504I'd still be wary of Temu fighter jets. Reverse engineering still doesn't fix the need for institutional knowledge. They didn't earn it, so certain tech is just not possible for them to produce yet.It's like telling someone to draw if they only know how to trace. They can do it, but people know it's been traced and they can't replicate every detail right.
>>526808506>why did some anons get tank autism, and some jet autism?I dunno, different vaccines?I remember a joke that if vaccines caused autism, every country would be riding nothing but trains.
Just don’t try to fly them! Hahahaha!
>>526784686Are Chinese jets good? Obviously they're not US tier but for the price is it worth it
>>526785254Their jets match their free speech
This is what has to happen. We need to be completely exposed as a jewish vassal
>>526806085No, ikea only makes the parts, you can make it yourself
>>526808824In a world without the F35 yes they are good value.
>>526808918Spot the white American on 4chan challenge
>>526805911gigamelty!!
>>526808824If you like Russian jets for any reason then buy its cheaper cousin the Chink jets. Mostly the same engine and layout so cross training aint that hard. With the right electronics inside you can go toe to toe with a F16 guaranteed. Going against AA and doing CAS is a different ball game so consider investing in special forces or high altitude bombers. F16 can barely handle AA as it is without ground support.
>>526791816OLD griviances. We OK now, but habbits die hard.Shortest explanation.You and the Brits.
>>526798371>>526796813dude you are retared...likle nothing in your sentences makle any logicall sense.Just for statistics were you scam-vid 19 vaccinated?
>>526792352Spot on.So the question really is.> just how good is the airframe and engineLike, the F16's we bought were pretty good on that. Everything but the engine and airframe was upgraded beyond recognition during their service decades. So IF this becomes a problem, and IF the basic is good enough. We could strip out everything and fly them on our own tech.After all, none of the big metal and glass is made here, but there's at least one high tech component made here. Not just for us, but everyone else buying it, America included. I really is sad if our mutually bennefitial arrangement with the ever so powerfull yankeedoodles is comming to an end because of one confused president.
>>526803067Funny.Now where is Danevirke exactly in this day and age?
>>526810357The airframe has a life limit. You need an entirely new plane. US is moving from F16 to F35 due to the F16 building up more and more expensive repairs as the years drag on. It is cheaper on the long run for both Aircraft and Naval to buy a new frame and get that return on investment on cheaper repairs for the first 15 years of service before you start having the same issue again.
>>526799524>hostile Nigtatorship countryyeah you're absolutely rightwe're not going to let that anymore if you didn't read what we told youretard
>>526792227>Okay Changok Moshe
>>526810618>moving from F16 to F35 due to the F16 building up more and more expensive repairsSame here.They really are good, and with the high tech upgrades still very much a player in the arena.They're just old, and worn out. (But damn it took a while, having a car lasting that long is becomming a fantasy in this new and gay world)
>>526784686Adopting the J-20 would not only ensure Greenland becomes American Clay, but that Denmark is completely blockaded and forced out of NATO.
>>526811064Even if you had all of the repair parts for another 100 years a car is going to crack and bend eventually. It's sad anon. You can't just bead blast it with sand like a multi inch thick armor of a tank. Even aluminum frames of an aircraft has to deal with all sorts of corrosion and corrosive elements. Makes me sad anon. :C
>>526810474>DanevirkeWhats that?Is that the danish porn studio that did pedo and bestaiality films back in the 70s??
>>526787238it's cute how wrong and deluded you are
>>526798639Nigger pigu go home
>>526811831Nothing a Turk have to worry about.For now.
>>526812262Ok judeAnyways kill yourself
>>526812262Hahaha i looke it up so youre saying a bunch of ncient trenches and palisades for defence is something that turks will have to worry about?? How? Lmaooo as if your sjithole wasnt as overrun as ours you stupid faggot, nigger you speak just like a fucking miggernigger burger that still venerates the american ww2 vets i.e. shabesgois puttting down the goyim uprising
>>526784686>Denmark>CanadaDead countries in terminal demographic crisis. Idk where these libtard faggot countries get off pretending like they won’t just collapse in the next 40 years.Do they really think Jeets and Achmeds will fight their wars for the old senile white population?
>>526784850they could just order 1,000 of them from the U.S. with the money they make from selling us Greenland.
