according to the founding fathers we shoulda been stacking bodies and raising the guillotines like 15 years ago. i have come to the conclusion that mans lot in life is to be ruled over by forces beyond his control. probably why we rely so much on the "trust in god" axoim. We want a revolution but we waiting for someone to sell it like a product. Are men capable of revolution without the need fir some cia contras? I feel it may be quite doubtful. OTOH Perhaps the solution was actually pandering to identity politics, and we actually should believe that , for all their faults our incestious, larcenious, lecherious leaders do actually have our best interests at heart. And that after seeing "how the sausage is made" we really shouldn't "fuck with a good thing". Perhaps I am in the dangeous grip of nostaligia, but It appears that behind all the great times we had in the 90's was largely due sex trafficking vacations for the elites and israel playing rasputin to our american dynasties. Should their sin neccisarily be excused? No not really. But I don't think we can concieve any other alterternative than "Gods mercy". Fuck.I don't know if any of this is real to be honest. All I know is that as I get older I learn more about this maze of society. And Im looking for a way out. But what comes next? Who are the people talking about what comes next? Who are the people talking about building a new society. An awesome society. I want to hear what they have to say. I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing about the 3rd Rome burning for the past 20 fucking years.
Why The Founding Fathers were indebted to jewish bankers. Plus the Whisky tax proved The American Revolution had nothing to do with taxes
>>527655192I believe picrel.
>>527655192No, you hit the nail on the head.All the talk of revolution is just whining.Very few people are actually willing to accept the consequences of that action (social pariah, character defamation, ridicule, unceremoniously death).That's why even if people agree with someone's rebellious action, they'll distance themselves. Nobody wants to be seen as a basedboy psycho faggot who tried to take out the system.They'll only do so if it's neatly packaged and at an affordable price.
>>527655388the world is an ocean but society is a maze and those people "not in control" built that maze. The "upper crust of society" will always be there. Its always been there. We can never get rid of it. Becuase they built the maze we all chose to navigate instead of going out into the wild seas and getting stranded on a desert island like robinson crusoe, sunk to davey jones locker, or died of scurvy with an albatross around your neck.
>>527655192It's like jew worshiping christcucks with their bible and obsession with jews and jewish prophecies
>>527655650im not even sure the system can be taken down, without some mutually assured destruction. I think exodus . Just trying to leave the system is better.
>>527655733I agree to everything you said. We think we've shed feudalism but we just traded it. The only slave that doesn't run is the one who thinks he's free, and someone who never tries to leave will never notice their shackles. I view with great suspicion anyone who wants to rule. Why would one man want power over another? It is abhorrent in my eyes. But I also believe that the ruling class projects having more power than they do. They say they're in control, that they know what's going on, but then one of them is murdered, another gets caught doing drugs or fucking a kid, and several dozen nukes just go missing. They want you to think they have complete power because if you believe that, you will believe there is no room for you to refuse to cooperate. But it's a potemkin village. Terrorists and school shootings and drug kartels exist precisely because those in power are on the same pointless little raft that you are. They have just convinced you that when they we are in the same boat, it means you specifically have to row.
>>5276557442000 years of indoctrination. its pretty much in the dna of every european now. less for "the new worlders".
>>527655650>neatly packaged>affordable priceGot you dawg
>>527655960Luckily I'm the holy ghost so it works out. Prophecy fulfilled. Yhwh is a faggot. No all powerful or all knowing being. Time travel sort of exists. Timelines are weird.
>>527655282futility. i wish i had the proper Shakespeare quote to reply to you with.
>>527655733You don't need to get "rid" of the upper crust, but ultimately social hierarchy would morph shape as society builds up. If the foundation of the pyramid were to continue solidifying (i.e. making enough $ to afford to thrive, be educated, thus even though being "poor" relative to the top, not being literally poor), then you extrapolate mathematically that the capstone of the social pyramid doesn't disappear, but begins to sink, as more of the middle weight absorbs it, becoming a trapezoid. This would eventually lead to the social strata morphing to a cube, and the eventual finality would be, to no one's surprise, a sphere - nature's perfection. This would place the "upper crust" in the center which would allow all of society to act as the super bio-mechanical organism it always was (mass human bio-machines using mass of derivative non-organic machines in mass tandem.)The mazes they build are because they're afraid of the reality that if they actually educate and appease the foundation, they'll be replaced. But that collective mass of structure would more likely reward the metaphorical "honey" provided to them. We haven't hit nowhere near the cap of what our species could do collectively.There's always a chance also that those at the top don't want to succeed any further and are attempting to artificially cap the natural growth of the social order/structure. But they forget the system grows with or without them. You can't prevent it forever unless you cull the whole species. Which maybe that's their goal - to be the spoiled brat who flips the board because they arbitrarily chose to end the game when we're still in the early-game easy mode non-true-end match, and are nowhere near the true-end nightmare/ultra-violence mode endings.While deserving death, might not be what's coming. Don't let them cry about "muh families" though. They weren't thinking of any of ours that they hurt along the way, flipping the board.
>>527655942i feel like the elites would give you cocaine and hookers if you manned the oars though
>>527656283Only to get you going. They'd Red Queen you as soon as you got used to it. "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place."
>>527655192 time to give communism another chance
>>527656160i feel like "woke" is just another term of revelation. we've been bearing witness to a divine horror.
>>527655942This>>527656203Also sort of this. It's less getting rid of in the sense of killing and more getting rid of in the sense of "hey if you want to be a bloodthirsty sadistic bastard, do it on that island meant for that and don't come back. But do run human tests and give us your findings"
>>527656380sometimes i feel like the prole and the plebs are just jilted lovers.
>>527655192You're not gonna believe this, but I created this meme back during days of ronpaulforums / libertyforest.. I used to be on there a lot during both of his runs.. I honestly don't remember if it was during 2008 or 2012 run.. nice to see that it's still in circulation!
>>527655650Organized peacefully armed protest, encirclement and capture of political buildings could begin this.The militia standing armies of the people the US constitution has written in (they don't require congressional approval to form and can be formed against the gov't itself).Yes you'd have to at some point raise your guns in unison at gov't officers and force them to disarm, collect their weapons, and then peacefully shove them out of the building. But that kind of controlled show of force would turn many heads. The goal would be to install themselves as a collective body acting in the stead of whichever congressional/senate district they capture back to the people's control. This would include all jobs and services the building performs, all phone calls, all in-house work. Even if it ends, it could end peacefully and it would have many people considering trying it themselves. How poorly our gov't handles it would also show the truth: that the avg joe can actually do the same job senators and congressman can do, with just a little elbow grease. Our leaders would be a laughing stock.As long as casualties are kept as close to 0 as possible (hopefully 0), the most they could arrest you for is 1.) Flagging peace officers with lethal weapons 2.) Hostile seizure of gov't property, however they word it. Most people involved could get out on good behavior from prison in less than 2 years. A sacrifice I'd be willing to help assemble. We have to start somewhere.
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>>527656203it may be possible. but from what I have learned. The upper crust doesn't jsut fall into the middle class. or migrate to the center of the mass. When you look at the pyrmaid from up top you see that the top of the pyramid is at the center of the shape anyways. time being a flat circle and all. No , i think, in all liklihood that as billionaires give way to trillionaires. the bottom of the pyramid just drops off, and those that survive the drop pretty much become feral animals.
>>527655388Alan Moore said that because he works in an industry full of Jews, and if he were to tell the truth, his paychecks would stop.
>>527656500We're not yet, but we will be. Eventually, we will be shed entirely. You either belong to those that can buy or build influence, or you do not, and if you do not you cannot climb the ladder because those who rule the roost does not share power. The longer the current structure gets to compound, the closer we get to have cartoon villains.
>>527656776kek is this what they mean by squaring the circle
>>527656637you're going to hold up and purposely get besieged in a federal building by the entire federal government?We've been openly rioting in streets and cops already have their game plan. They know how to corral us.Again. I think the best option is to just let bygones be bygons, go full soverign citizen and just start building that better society that every wants instead of this shit one.
>>527656920I don't buy the jew explanation, because it's used for absolutely everything. Why are my socks of poor quality? The jews. Why did the market share of hats go down? The jews. Why is there a sudden cold snap here? The jews. It's like a christian saying everything bad is satan's fault. At first you're interested, then you get used to it, and then you get tired of hearing it. And anytime you ask for evidence because you want to understand what's going on, you're called a rabbi or a kike, or a fag or some other smurf word that doesn't mean anything anymore.
I think that the answer here is the civilization runs in cycles.. the elite behind the elite behind the elite have known this for a very, very long time.. you can build a society that is "free" (the way that some Freemasons tried to do in 1776), but compromise after compromise will lead to everything becoming corrupt and falling apart eventually.. allowing slavery was the first, big compromise that started the USA on the wrong foot and here we are centuries later.. modern Americans are not going to revolt unles their purchasing power degrades to below a certain point, and even then it remains to be seen if they really have any kind of virtue remaining or not.
>>527656951society has a monopoly on power structures. a perfect society should provide an exit door.
>>527657085im more of a grant morrison fan desu.
>>527657416these cycles were known since the vedas were written. well understood even when lao tzu and confucious penned their scrolls.
>>527657416also thats the thing. I don't think no one really knows how to revolt. it seems like the only people who know how to carry out a rebellion are the glowies and they work for the thing we want to rebel against.
>>527658093I think it's a bit like this: humans have a natural desire to be free while certain, "smarter" humans have an (also natural?) desire to subjigate everyone else.. these "elites" will always work towards to goal of breeding the perfect slave population, while human nature will continue to defy them in perpetuity.. infinite whack-a-mole..
>>527655388>jew says it’s not jewslmao ok moshe
>>527657901Historical cope. Civilizations fall because men fail to stand up to tyranny until it’s too late. Why not forge your own destiny instead of resigning to be part of “the cycle”? Beta cucks I swear.
>>527658474it seems rather pointless and arbitrary.its just one cosmic joke after another thrown in each others faces. It seems like it will be more likely that "the perfect slave race" is only a matter of time. human nature seems futile when we are evolving into something other than.
>>527658899yeah, that's a nice idea and everything, but what exactly do you propose.. are you gonna tear down US militray empire / Federal Reserve / global Freemasonic shadow gov + pedo cabal? Gonna go John Rambo on their asses? Go ahead and organize / pass out fliers / run for Congress if you want, just try not to have your family murdered if/when you start to make any significant difference.. also, be aware that "whites" are about to get drowned in a turd world mud blood flood, so there's that too
>>527658899it seems like you need to start at a pretty young age to forge your own destiny. I kinda missed my chance learning to become a mountain man.
>>527659158perhaps the world would be better if everyone was John Galt
At some point, economic collapse is pretty much a given. I don't see how we get out of this without mass civil unrest. You can all scream:>"You won't do shit!"At the top of your lungs, but people will start getting more desperate and violence will start to become a reasonable option for people.
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>>527660837that's for sure, but only question is what kind of "revolution" will people demand once things get bad anough.. something stupid and Marxist or something virtuous and libertarian?
>>527660837thats the thing. civil unrest seems more inevitable than building a society everyone wants. the prole just has a tantrum. the elites lets them cool off in their room until their ready to come out and apologize and clean up the mess they made. the irony is no one wants to apologize and no one wants to clean up the mess. we could have had our chance during covid. but everything went right back to normal. This whole epstein thing we wont be the ones forming lynch mobs. We will wait for the system to dispense its judgement and we will just and another story about how the government is fucked and exploits its people more than it helps them.
>>527655192>ICE agents are all shitskins>/pol/ (aka Epstein baby) supports them gassing and murdering white peopleI used to think you were all retarded inbreds from those no-name welfare kween red states in the middle of the US but now that I know you're all jeet shills it makes a lot more sense
>>527661130christain monarchy seems more likely at this point. trump has pretty much pulled a ceasar in the 3rd rome already.
>>527655192yeah i agree btw who do you think is going to win the NIGGER BOWL? i think the new england niggers are going to beat the seattle niggers. also i can't hardly wait to see NIGGER BOWL COMMERCIALS, it's the best part!!!!!
>>527661759hinduism and buddism used to be cool.......
>>527662469the house always wins. in this case its nfl corporate hq.though i do wonder if fan deul or draft kings will actually gross more just in betting.
>>527655282>the Whisky tax proved The American Revolution had nothing to do with taxesWell... It had to do with who collected them.
>>527661655Yeah. Here's the other thing, I've said that Our Beloved Corporate Gods have lost all perspective and think that they'll safe in the penthouse after they destroyed the foundation. The civil unrest coming won't be just a little tantrum, it will be a complete breakdown of law and order. The Great Depression lasted from 1929 to 1942, but we still had the foundation of a functioning society at the time. When the economy falls this time, people won't be stoically waiting for the depression to end like The Waltons. This country will explode.
Also. Here's a screenshot of a comment that someone posted yesterday pointing out that money is basically a fiction that people go along with because it was better than the alternative of constant fighting and trying to take shit. What happens when the fiction doesnt serve it's purpose anymore?
>>527655192It's very simple. Technological progress has a value that needs to be accounted stochastically so the economy has to operate on a system of privileges and exchange while those things reach maturity but after that there is no longer any meaning to the units of account and score cards besides as a reputation of competence in a sector at the most as far as utility is concerned. Exchange is the artifact of the past that society simply needs to shed because inequality is just a matter of time and permissiveness and preparedness and responsibility after the means have been developed.
Key term is something about behavior though so it mostly requires you shut the fuck up. Everyone that thinks about shit just gyagyagyagyagyagyagya bicker ack
>>527663023i think most people will stay home and try to work something out. Most people dont want to go out in the streets and riot. We haven't seen entire cities riot. the closest we get is when ever some town wins some championship. Its not like the entire city of minneapolis is out there protesting now, nor was it all out there during the ffloyd riots. Though I can definintly see them turning off the heat during really cold winters like they did in texas and currently do in germany.
>>527655388Brainlet take.
>>527663344the way you explain it sounds inhuman. this system sounds like it doesn't even need humans. it just needs widgets or "economic agents".
>>527663601i mean it seems pretty obvious by now that the revolution will not be posted on 4chan. if anything the counter revolution will get trained on it.
>>527655388Retarded take. Just look at the world history from 1900+ onwards.
>>527655733Getting rid of it is actually easy but the majority of people isn't on board with it, and that'd be necessary in multiple nations. It's the same people, serving the same interests, as obvious by their agenda: alienate the host nation's inhabitants, bring in foreigners for replacement migration, increase citizen monitoring, measure with 2 different standards when it comes to laws and crimes to make sure the native population gets punished more while the immigrants less or not at all, increase divide and conquer, make it impossible for people to even have a middle class life, make voting pointless by buying up and controlling the entire political landscape, refuse to have just so much as a reasonable dialogue about what's going on but instead have the media only slander and push propaganda.The original deal WHY people that rule exist is:-they do what's necessary for the benefit of the people-thus people are willing to obey and give them the special privileges that make it possible to focus on their tasksWhat's happening:-incompetent asshole retards fuck everything up for everyone but the ones rich enough to buy into politics-everyone is still expected to obey and follow the law while everything gets worse and nothing is done to make anything betterI wish I could say it'd just the dumbest of the herd leading it but it's not just that. It's also the most corrupt, willingly evil. Willing to throw everyone into a life of prolonged suffering for their own benefit.
>>527657061There is no such thing as a sovereign citizen. (They are mutually exclusive ideas. An oxymoron, if you will.) That is a bullshit term of art designed to slander people who do not understand the nature of law and commerce. That said. Total boycott is the second best tool we have for dealing with the criminal scumbags masquerading as government.
>>527664389>look at the most chaotic part of the world history>don't look at the time when a single royal family essentially ran all of the world???
>>527664780it feels like we are all under this impression that the system is just supposed to run itself at this point. we are all just shuffling paper from point a to b.If the people were knowledgeable they'd be able to deny their own social security application.
>>527664867i agree a boycott is an economic exodus after all. but what if every factory in the US (or insert your nation here) is financed by zionists?
It’s moralizing to see a few souls out there trying to figure this out.
>>527667545who?who is trying to figure this out?
>>527668851Those in this thread, sure they have differing opinions, but it appears that most agree we are at a fork in the road and if we dont choose now we are going to have that choice made for us.
>>527655192“Consent of the governed” is an important phrase. Voting represents said consent. A peaceful way to bring about a revolution is if a majority of the voting eligible population abstains from voting, thus withholding their consent for this jewed system. Sadly, it would take a lot to convince the general public that voting is pointless, as many (even here on /pol/) gasp and pearl clutch in a similar manner to when they hear questions about the holocaust or vaccine safety. The importance of voting is so ingrained in our society it’s heretical to question its validity.
>>527655650Sad but truth. Things have to get very bad before sedition happens unfortunatly our leading class is fully aware about that.
>>527669949it feels like a universal solidarity is harder if not impossible than just bending the knee.
>>527670979i heard a lot of guff about anti popes. I'd imagine holding our own elections (not jewwed by lobbying groups) would be more effective than just pure abstention. is there a rule where an election needs so many votes in order to be legitimate like how roberts rules of order requires atleast a quorum of constituents inorder to make a vote?
>>527655192Man evolved to live in a stone-age environment amongst tribes about 150 people big. Civilization allowed the once-tiny percentage of psychopaths to bloom to unreasonable levels and got co-opted by them. We simply are unable to adapt to such a radically-changed world in so short a span of time.
>>527672038does that mean the elites will always be one step ahead on evolutionary journey?
>>527659116Stop falling for the conservative cuckold agenda. Stop disenfranchising minorities just because you’re insecure about your place in the world. Build coalitions of the marginalized. Realize the class division and elect those who realize it too. Progressives have this figured out, but 99% of the retards online are too insecure to bring themselves to vote for people who call them out on their bigotry. Grow the fuck up or exist as a neutered lapdog for pedophile billionaires. It’s literally your bigotry holding you hostage.
>>527659116Cuck mentality. It’s never too late to grow and change. You must confront your insecurity and bigotry. The fate of western civilization depends on it.
>>527655388We already know you’re an idiot. You post your retarded takes in threads all day.
>>527672743do you think we could build those coalitions now and learn our lessons from OWS?
>>527655192Americans capable of revolution are too comfortable and americans suffering from the system are too incapable.
>>527672849sounds like comforting words to tell someone right before they face the abbotior desu. Everyones got insecurities. I wish I had enough money to hide them all. bigotry is funny.
>>527673400that appears to be by design. how do we change that?
>>527673088Bigotry is what binds you. You will always be a cuck with techno-fascists as your keyholders until you grow up and face this reality. Maybe it’s too much to ask for online retards to stand for their best interests. Maybe a cuck gene exists after all. The rest of us will just get it done without you while you’ll be resigned to your inconsequential corner of /pol/, wallowing in your bigotry as Peter Thiel conjures up a new wave of pro-pedophile propaganda for you to slurp down like it’s his cum.
>>527673230Of course. So long as thinking men exist, so will the pursuit of freedomand as long as that pursuit persists, hope persists as well.
>>527655192It is also somewhat cynical to claim that conspiracy theorists are simply taking the easy way out with their position. In reality, life is not easy for those who dare to question the publicly dictated narrative, even vaguely. Real conspiracy theories, even if they turn out to be true, always lead to social exclusion, because it is everyone else who is taking the easy way out by simply conforming to the naive assumption that people do not conspire against each other. Which is very cynical again, especially since something like a conspiracy can only take place if as many people as possible are convinced that something like a conspiracy is definitely not taking place.
>>527672743You are a fucking retard baby if you think anyone other than northwest europeans want to operate on a lockean liberal plane. Im not even that racist.
>>527657085They aren't responsible for every problem, that's muddying the waters. Their tikkun olam and tribalistic behavior drives them to push social change and control of finances. They absolutely command a disproportionate amount of control in government and entertainment accomplished through control of money.
>>527671980I don’t know, my understanding of this concept came from the vax push and the (((powers that be)))’s respect for free will. They were never going to send police to your house to wrestle you to the ground and stick the needle in your arm, but they were going to do everything in their power to apply pressure to get you to cave into taking it. In the end it had to be YOUR choice. Voting is similar. It represents using your free will to tell them you still approve of the system. Who you vote for doesn’t matter, a write in or “none of the above” still represents an expression of approval of the system as a whole. If enough people withheld their consent, it would mean (((TPTB))) are fucked.
>>527674200its funny how my best interests are always dictated by someone else. and usually the best i can hope for is some compromise bill that no one really wants.
