>just shoot the tiny target coming at you in zigzag at 120kmh bro all of you would die in drone warfare there's not a single defense against drones that isn't pure cope>muh shotgunineffective in ling range but the time is effective the drone is so close to you you'll die>muh bullets bullseye over here >just hack/jam it broall drones use fiber optic now they can't be jammed>just use a microwave energy that will melt the drone midairyes pure cope if you think a billion dollars machine will be used to save your worthless life
>>527963357All good reasons to stay home during ww3
there must be some kind of defense, terrorist never use them in usa
Better: Dont be apart of a shithole military that can't achieve air superiority and a evolving frontline
I was in the army and saw combat. It was stressful but the camraderie and adventure made up for it. I would be too much of a scaredy cat to "fight" like this. I hope the drone operators are tortured
what about flamethrowers or like a gun that shoots a net?
>>527963357Holy shit that guy's final moments must have been terrifying.Only thing that could reliably take one of those things out would be some sort of auto aiming laser, but the technology's nowhere near there yet.
>>527963357i pray daily for a solar flare to wipe out all this bullshit
>>527963357>Survivor biasBeside the irony behind the name, that's what we see here.Ukrainians post videos of Russian soldiers alone getting BTFO.Russia most likely has a strategy to counter drones by now. But, Ukrainians wouldn't post those online, that would defeat the demoralization behind gore spam AND teach how to counter their warfare doctrine.
>>527963679Your slavniggers are dead
>>527963357Just don't go to war. If the war comes to you, then flee/emigrate to somewhere else. If they force you, then try to flee at every chance. Lack of personnel also means that its not feasible for the military to search&run after deserters.
>>527963540Net guns exist, but the time the net spreads out is a bit tricky, it's like a proxy fuse shell, expensive, complicated
>>527963759>You give a neutral assessment which doesn't favor Ukrainian narrative/groupthink>You must be Russiankek
>>527963357just get good
>>527963357...you don't have fishing nets and chicken wire strung up all over your house?Yea you probably won't make it
>>527963357>all of you would die in drone warfare there's not a single defense against drones that isn't pure copeYup. We probably won't have any widespread effective counters for another 5+ years
>>527963357Not 120.. more like 40. You need to have a shotgun for clay pigeon shooting
>>527963357There’s anti drone weapons, which superior America has access to. Also most people aren’t so retarded to stand out way in the open.
>>527963357>your worthless lifeYou better watch your language. Speak for yourselves, third worlders.We actually give a shit about human life around here.https://youtu.be/ergPhjgPjeM?
>>527964016Everyone has those anti drone weapons, optic fibre controlled drones don't care about them
>>527963679>Russia most likely has a strategy to counter drones by now.Then why are their monthly casualty counts increasing so much? 50k confirmed kills to drones per month does not seem like they have an effective drone counter
>>527963357>ineffective in long rangeShotgun effective range is between 15-200 yards, the SPREAD is what will make it inefficient, but in this case it’s favourable because it’s a moving target. The ‘shotguns are exclusively for ultra close range’ meme is headcanon from someone who’s never fired one before and only knows about them from vidya
>>527963357did he survive that?if I were a soldier there, I would avoid open spaces like it was lava. Also a shotgun with birdshot seems to be a must have
>>527963491There's no US embassy in USA lardfat
>>527963357>ineffective in ling rangeAnon shotguns are used to hunt birds, stop thinking ever thing is cod
>>527964045>We actually give a shit about human life around here.no we dont and Ursula wouldnt hesitate for a picosecond to send you into a meatgrinder.
>>527963864Dgaf what kind of shitholer you are
>>527963491terrorists arent' a thing at the moment in USA. you bet your ass if they plan something again it will use dronesand when that happens, drones will get banned or will require registration and it will suck major ass
>>527964172>a shotgun is effective two football fields away
>>527964287any retard can build a drone, you cant ban them
>>527963357You know those snapchat filters? The technology used to identify faces in those is actually military technology meant to mark targets. Requires very little tweaking to identify drones instead of faces. With a visor allowing easy identification of drones tied to basic aim assist on the weapon, drones become useless.Though of course, they'll only be for special forces. People like you are meat for the grinder.
>>527964172Shotguns in vidya are ridiculous and nobody has corrected it in 30 years. We have generations of people who think shotguns are blunderbusses that can't hit anything further than 20 yards away.
the only drone counter is an autonomous anti-drone gunit's impossible for a human to defend against this.
>>527964172actually the spread is what makes it effective. from close it would be quite hard to hit the drone. From 20 meters it should be very doable, with birdshot
>>527964236I know.
>>527964336is there open source software for controlling them? Cause building it is one thing and controlling is another
>>527964389you recon Czechs are in the menu of ruskies? They never mention you. They always talk shit about Poland and Baltic states though.
>>527964086USA anti drone weapon sends a shockwave that knocks it out the air/makes the explosives blow, not jam its signal
>>527964102>50 000 drone kills per monthlmao, you don't even believe that number.
>>527964392shits literally all on github for free and now with AI you can even have it explained to you so even a retard can build this.
>>527964392Anon there is open source for near everything
>>527963357>shotguns are ineffective in long range by the time it is effective the drone is so close to you you'll dieTell me you learned everything you know about guns from call of duty without telling me you learned everything you know about guns from call of dutyHave you never been duck hunting or trap shooting before? Oh, right. Of course you haven’t because you aren’t allowed to own guns lmao
>>527964438They know Slovakia probably wouldn't betray us. But who knows. The politicians...
>>527964467>we have LE wonder waffles!is that why Ukraine doesn't have any except for whatever slavjank they can cook up in their own garages
>>527963357Just throw toilet paper
>>527964195Best drone defense is some sort of horse mounted c ram gun
>>527964572>>527964591some terrorist cook books are open source too, but it's not easy to find them or download them. same would happen with that software ishtf
Shotguns are the only thing that make sense, only need 1 pellet to hit and the lightweight plastic cunt is done.
>>527964727nigger its literally on github
>>527963357This "war" is nothing but a testing ground for domestic weapon systems
>>527964691Best drone defense is a large Faraday cage. Second best drone defense is an EMP shockwave.
>>527963357Buckshot. Done
>>527964389>>527964236Also, despite gender equality and all that spiel, she will somehow only send men
>>527963357lol he died like a bitchrest in piss, faggot. should of stayed home!
>>527963357Tunnels, camouflage and woods
>>527963357But I agree, there is no honourable death in warfare anymore, and this hasn't been the case since like WWI
>>527964843they will try and send everyone they can. ursula doesnt care about goyim. dont forget her values are the same as the talmud.
We bought these and many short range radar systems that are very capable. The munitions on this system explode into smaller fragments a few meters in front of the detected object into a wide pattern.But the real answer will always be that you'll have air superiority and there won't be opportunities for drone operators to set up their missions.
>>527963357>Muh shotgun Yes retard Google skeet shooting. it's basically professional anti drone training
>>527963491Heavy FAA regulation.Taliban used drones all the time against us in afghanistan. CIA covered it up
>>527963357Well, he learned his lesson. Hope he’s okay.
>>527964970this shit cant shoot down FPV drones lolits more against Gerans and things of that size.
>>527964843>somehow only send menFor practical reasons. Spent many years with women young or old. They would probably start another war between themselves.
>>527965029You're wrong. It's particularly been created for small drones. Literally demonstrated here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnV9qoYQJMg
>>527965041Hahahaa very true
>>527963573military already has this, consumer models tho, no
>>527963540We've had "skynet shells" for 12 gauge shotguns for about 10 years, I don't know if they have been tested extensively though, I imagine they'd be pretty effective in a shotgun like the KSG.
>>527963491>terrorist never use them in usa
>>527963357I've seen people test birdshot and buckshot, but never bolo rounds. A semi-auto magazine fed shotgun with bolo rounds seems like it would be the best bet, especially against those unjammable fiber-optic drones.
>>527963357is he going to be okay?
>>527965094your own video says you are wrong you dumbass>big quadro copter drone hovering stationary doing nothing at super close range>conditions are top tier of course since its a demonstration>doesnt shoot down an FPV dronealso costs 31 million euros per system while 1 9K720 Iskander costs 3 million per missile.in other words, its useless.
>>527965015Just blatantly not true. The first widespread use of FPVs by middle eastern combatants was ISIS in Syria and Iraq
>>527963357if citizens could own these as weapons how scared would the gov be out of 10?
>>527965348this is not an FPV drone you dumbass
>>527964339and when they are the size of tennis balls or chickpeas, what then?
>>527964727Why are the polish so fucking stupid? If you can Google it and it pops up it isn't "hard to find">But it's a HoneypotIf only there was several ways to mask your identity on the internet
>>527965417EMPs
>>527963357Rape draft officers with toilet brushes until deathAs shrimple as that
>>527965290listen up you east german rat. that iskander piece of shit is a 1 time use missile that cant hit anything accurately and is only used for terror bombing. obviously its only a demonstration video: its showing the immediate locking on to the small drone target, following its movements automatically, and the hardkill solution. the fact if it can lock on depends on the radar system and these radar systems can easily lock on at these kind of ranges.>hur its close rangewell duh retard, its designed for short range you dumb fuck. they fly relatively close to the groundCommies like you will get the rope>hurr durr it costs x amountirrelevant. save 10 people and you have your return on investment
>>527965421that's not my point, moronmy initial post was a concern about how it will fuck over normal enthusiasts and how it won't stop criminals. A normal person doesn't want to be behind 7 proxies just to continue with their hobby or get on the list. Back at you with the question - why are americans so retarded?>>527964756as easy as telling github to remove the repositories
>>527964883> Tunnels, camouflage and woodsThis. Tunnels are a bitch. You need hyperbaric bombs to defeat them, or crazed niggers with flashlights and a .45
he's probably using birdshot and never fired that shotgun before.>do some trap shooting, learn to lead the target>use 3" #4 buckshot, no choke, flight control wadthat's just your best chance, besides not going to a drone-land frontline so that kikes can have a slav-free new khazaria.
>>527964885WW1 was horrific. Poison gas. Body pieces hanging from tree branches. Actually, Russia Ukraine resembles WW1
>>527964188Mortified that mutt
>>527965671Its always been trench warfare.Evem the iran iraq war devolved into trench warfare eventually
>>527964236>send you into a meatgrinderSimply not going. As shrimple as that.
>>527963357"Handheld, short-range EMP (electromagnetic pulse) devices and high-power microwave (HPM) guns are effective, non-kinetic tools for stopping drone attacks by disrupting or frying their internal electronicsThese devices are particularly effective against small,, low-flying unmanned aerial systems (UAS). Key Aspects of Handheld EMP Counter-Drone Technology:Mechanism: These weapons emit high-frequency radio waves or high-power microwave pulses that overload a drone's electronic circuits, causing them to crash or malfunction instantly.Effectiveness: They can neutralize drones, including autonomous or fiber-optic types that are Range: While some military-grade systems have a range of up to 1 kilometer, portable handheld devices are generally effective at shorter distances.Applications: They are used by security teams to protect sensitive areas, with some systems able to take control of the drone and guide it safely to the ground.Examples of Portable Counter-Drone Technology:DroneGun Mk4: A lightweight, highly portable handheld countermeasure designed for rapid response.LEONIDAS: A system designed to disable drone swarms with a high-power microwave, with versions mounted on vehicles or in smaller configurations.RF DEW: A UK-developed system used to defeat drone swarms, achieving success in trials in April 2025.DIY/Tactical Options: While high-power military systems are effective, some research indicates that smaller, DIY-type devices can be used, though they are much less powerful and often limited in range. These technologies are part of a layered defense strategy, complementing other methods like jammers, nets, and kinetic, small-arms fire."Countermeasures exist. Do your research.
>>527965551>that cant hit anything accuratelyit has a CEP of 5–7 meters which is enough to ruin the shitbox.and thats assuming they bother sending a missile, a couple drones is probably enough to overhelm it and blow it up.>immediate locking on to the small drone targetit wouldnt even be able to detect the FPV drones because of how close to the ground they go.>irrelevant. so you are going to pay for it? a 31 million shitbox is not practical to defend against FPVs.also why do you talk like you know shit? you dont even know what an FPV drone is lmao
>>527964438>oh my fellow slav the other slavs are badIts a good thing you subhumans hate one another
>>527965777And this is man-portable, battery lasts for weeks, and can be operated by an 80 IQ solider yes?
>>527965632Birdshot for skeet, birds, and other flying objects. It’s also good for home defense unless the perp is wearing armor.
>>527963357Please end this shithole known as Earth, NUKE EVERYTHING
>>527963491Maybe a quick deploying smoke to give you a bit of time to run for better cover.
https://youtube.com/shorts/RZq35Nuvves?
>>527963357Skill issue.
>>527963840>If they force you, then try to flee at every chanceThey don't want you to know this but you can just not enlist. Worst case, you get a year or two in prison, but that's infinitely preferable to being blown to pieces.Only 1-2% of draft dodgers were ever processed in vietnam for example and most got a slap on the wrist. They can't shoot you on the spot because legally you're a civvie, not a soldier, but once you enlist, the death penalty is on the table.
Just sit like Buddha under a square frame. Wrap frame in mesh of impossible to see 60lb fishing line. When drone evaporates, open your eyes and laugh crazily at spotter drone while flipping them bird.
>>527966526they just kidnap you right from the street
>>527966140>Birdshot>for home defensekek, fucking retard
>>527966591maybe he likes his nigger peppered first
>>527966578They do, and they might pressure you to enlist, but it's literally illegal for them to do more than that. But yes they can throw you in prison, sadly. Again, much better than the alternative
>>527963357>ineffective in ling range but the time is effective the drone is so close to you you'll dieWrong, you can hit them at a distance that's far enough to not get any shrapnel. Problem is, now you've either replaced your rifle with a shotgun, or you're carrying the weight/bulk of both and slowing down considerably. Subpar anti-human weapon or ineffective anti-drone weapon, pick your long gun. I've always mocked shotgun enthusiasts but now it seems like the only viable low-cost option for having a chance against drones.
There is no good defense, only a good offense. And when you overrun their positions and capture the drone operators, use their drones to air deliver their testicles to their families.
>>527966633This is exactly right. Peppered nigger taste like Mongolian beef.
>>527963357>what is bird huntingyour propaganda sucks, ranjeet
>>527966747>but it's literally illegallmao, nobody gives a shit about the law in these situations.>But yes they can throw you in prisonthey just send your ass to operation meatshield.
>>527966126It would need to be no larger than a standard issue AK-12.A single-use handheld anti-drone EMP gun requires a battery capable of delivering a very high instantaneous current to charge a capacitor bank almost immediately before discharge. The best battery for this type of application, designed for maximum power density and, in some cases, one-time use, would be ahigh-discharge Lithium Polymer (LiPo) battery or specialized military-grade primary (non-rechargeable) lithium batteries. Recommended Battery TypesLithium Polymer (LiPo) Battery: These are the most common choice for handheld, portable EMP devices (like DroneGuns) because they offer a high power-to-weight ratio, allowing for a lightweight, handheld design.High-Power Lithium Metal Oxide Batteries: These are ideal for single-use military applications where low weight and high power are critical.Silver-Zinc Batteries: Another option for high-power, one-time-use military systems.Reserve/Thermal Batteries: Used for specialized, instant-activation, single-use, high-power systems. Battery Specifications NeededVoltage: Typically in the 24V range for professional, handheld anti-drone guns.Discharge Rate (C Rating): Requires a very high C rating (e.g., 60C–100C or more) to ensure the capacitor bank charges instantly.Capacity: 24V (5Ah) is used in some portable, high-strength anti-drone guns. Why These Batteries?The battery must be able to support a high-power, short-duration event (a "shot"). A high C-rated LiPo battery can deliver high power, whereas an alkaline battery would likely fail to provide the surge current needed for an effective pulse. For a truly "single-use" (throwaway) scenario, lithium primary batteries are preferred because they have a long shelf life and do not require maintenance.
>>527966591Yeah because “muh buckshot” in some ways it’s a moot point, because if someone is hit in the chest with four buck pellets, that’s like getting hit simultaneously with four 9mm rounds. They are having a very bad day. But even if they are wearing a leather jacket, a round of birdshot to the chest at a short distance will turn the lungs into pulp and pierce the heart with hundreds of tiny holes. Come at me, asshole, my home defense shotgun is loaded with alternating shells of bird and buckshot, and for you I’ll even throw in a slug to shoot your head clean off. You know nothing about this subject.
>>527964392How difficult do you actually think programming one is? A drone or remote controlled vehicle of that size is probably one of the easiest thinks to programm. I did that as a project in my first semester of university.
>>527963357What kind of ordinance or grenade carried by a plastic helicopter can cause a human body to literally explode into steaming pile of meat?
>>527964534>you don't even believe that number.I do in fact believe it. The problem is that Russia is using Indian and African mercenaries that are not aware that they are just bait for drones. Minimal equipment, minimal training. Purely being there as a meat shield aimed at taking drones hits and hopefully depleating the Ukrainan arsenal of drones. The simple truth is that Russia can import Indians and sending them to the front lines for minimal cost since they don't expect them to live and only real cost is transporting them, feeding them untill they get to the front lines and givinng them a rifle. So as long as Russia has this pipeline of Indian recruits that don't realize they are being lured into becoming live decoys for drones the war will continue.
>>527966875So ur saying the EU will do that too? but i THOUGHT THEYRE ONLY AN ECONOMIC UNION, or is it more than that.....
>>527963357>there's not a single defense against droneshawk-drones built to hunt other drones
>>527967164it's like with making meth - those who know - know. And it's not complicated. Yet people usually don't make meth themselves. I don't know what to tell you. You're completely missing my point. Is it on purpose or because of autism, idk, probably autism though.
>>527963357>>>just use a microwave energy that will melt the drone midair>yes pure cope if you think a billion dollars machineI dont get it, magnetrons cost like three dollars.
>>527967272Any explosive ordinance that exploses right on your body rather than feet away like your average hand grenade
>>527967272Explosives generally fall into two categories- slow and fast. Slow explosives, like sodium nitrate, push things, like dirt and concrete with great force and are good for things like making anti-tank ditches or blowing off the front of an FBI building. Fast explosives, like C4 have an immense shattering effect. The shattering effect of explosives is rather small though, which is why you’ll see some nitwit blow their hand off, but the rest of their arm is intact, or in the case of an ICE protester grabbing the equivalent of an m-80, blow their fingers off, but not the rest of their hand. These drones mainly are loaded with high explosives and detonated on contact
>muh fiber opticCompletely neutralized by fucking treesJust fight anywhere that isn't flat open farmland
>>527966591Getting hit with birdshot from a few meters away will end you.
>>527967447P.S. I wonder when is finally one of Putin's Generals going to get pissed enough to try and kill the Kremlin midget. This is why Billionairs want AI so badly. I bet that Putin wishes he had AI right now. He is probably paranoid as fuck 24/7 that someone in his circle is going to shoot his ass.
>>527963357Wrong gun, and skill issue.
>>527963491Can simply bring back punt guns.
>>527966591See how willing you are for a fight after getting blasted with birbshot
>>527965414>first person viewDamn sorry
>>527967272The kind that can do this
>>527964679because NATO is using the hordes of dead ukrainians as data points for their war strategy with russia ?We send our good modern weapons to israel so schlomo can farm 50 confirmed kills on primitive sandniggers
>>527963357Microwave is a good answeranother good answer is nets. >shotgunyou say it is only effective when it's too close, but all the drone videos i see the bomb has to be essentially touching. Probably the range where it kills isn't that big
>>527968461Agreed. I'm pretty sure a battery powered magnetron with a light weight aluminum waveguide could make an effective man-portable weapon for zapping drones. It would also be dangerous as fuck, would boil the eyeballs of anybody you pointed it at, but so what? It's war.
I know this is impractical but, what if you used a microwave took the door off, and pointed it in the direction of the drone?
>>527968461Kek I posted a out a microwave before I saw your reply
>>527963357It's like D&D 3.5 defences. Don't be there > Don't be detectable > You're already deadStop sending in men to do a drone's job.
>>527968681yea exactly. i question whether there will be enough electricity available to make it a main defense, but possibly it would be a functional component of a full survival kit
>>527967538>So ur saying the EU will do that too?yes>ONLY AN ECONOMIC UNIONthey are talking about making an "EU Army">>527968029the FPVs are the kamikaze drones you know the ones with the goggles, isis niggers didnt have these
>>527965094This isn't really the endorsement that you think that it is>large bomber style drone>hovering in clear sight>sunny dayThis is very very different from dealing with a swarm of FPV quads coming in at 60+KMPH from multiple different directions. Plus, how much do you think that little shitbox costs to make? 1 million dollars? 5 million dollars? You could send probably a thousand drones to kill it and the drones would still be the more cost effective solution
>>527968681A smaller purpose oriented drone would probably work better. Something the size of a golf ball, single use, carried like a grenade or specialized ordinace, control it with a small digital monocular that can see and target electronics.
>>527969302>large bomber style droneits really not impressive to shoot down a stationary baba yaga crop duster. idk what he was on about.>hovering in clear sightthis lmao, fpvs would never hover around like this.>how much do you think that little shitbox costs to make? 1 million dollars? 5 million dollars?31 million euro per unit if you buy 500 of them.
>>527963357>there's not a single defense against drones that isn't pure copeOH NO IF ONLY WE HAD WEAPONS DESIGNED TO SHOOT LOW SLOW-FLYING AIRCRAFTdrones are literally (not figuratively) a solved problem. i'm not suggesting giving every soldier a bofors gun, but the reason effective anti-drone weaponry is not being deployed is because nobody with money and industry has bothered to spend any money on it.
>>527964885There never was
>>527964188>There's no US embassy in USA lardfatThere's 2 McDonalds in a 2 mile radius of me
>>527969633>just limit your operating area to at the smallest, a large truckNo
>>527969819in what fucking universe are you suggesting infantry should be sent on their own on unsupported missions without vehicles or even crew-served weapons?you realise infantry have to carry shit like this around, right?
>>527969819man portable infantry support weapons? impossible. simply impossible.
>>527963357There is ECM for drones but its not exactly flip and forget
>Taking part in any warFound your problem. Just, no.
>>527968178no, it's because all your wonder waffles are only useful against sand niggers with rusty ak47s and any real enemy would expose them as the money laundering jewish MIC scams they are
>>527963535>Omg so unfair, you need to get up close and introduce yourself and make sure your weapons aren't better than theirs to engage in honorable combat!War is shit, a guy with a gun has no more chance against a tank or artillery strike than a suicide drone.>>527963679Obviously we see the ones with kills.That's why so many are out in the open, not because it's le staged Hollywood murder or a pow but because they're more likely to be spotted, and successfully hit.Russia uses drones too, they just waste them on civilian infrastructure.The latest news on the developing situation is Russians finally being cut off from starlink and flipping out about it.>>527963540>>527963854They barely even get rusted out ww2 gear.The main purpose of a lot of the meat is to just catch western bombs in the hopes we tire of it.
>>527965177They dont work.>>527964339>Yo the snapchat senpai!>Hella easy yo just set it to dronesMotherfucker what does a zoom lens look like?
>>527969010You can make some pretty untouchable characters in 3.5 if you are using gestalt rules.
>>527970009>in what fucking universe are you suggesting infantry should be sent on their own on unsupported missions without vehicles or even crew-served weapons?>you realise infantry have to carry shit like this around, right?you stupid faggot niggerthere isnt enough nato-wunderwaffe for this kind of warfarethe ukroid front is 1000 miles wideimagine thinking every single fucking flashpoint is equipped with nato-waffe, and all the ammo and supply it takes to keep it fedit literally inevitably boils down to tiny foot-patrols of men prodding basements and staircases in 1'sies and 2'sies
>>527969633FPV drones are too small to optically trackTracking them radar is difficult because they are that lowKinetic kill solutions like this also have limited traverseEven smaller solutions like the 50cal or 20mm options are extremely limited.The problem isnt drones in a vacuum, its a full conflict>Setup super drone detector radar for your sick auto cannon>Someone hits it with arty until the radar damaged>Autcannon is now manually tracked big target>Plink away at it, crew and ammo supply with cheap drones until its destroyed>Mop up the rest of artyYeah let me get my entire infantry element attached to the one guy with the bofors being on his game 24/7 and shooting 100% of drones. Because if even one makes it through and lights the bofors on fire, there is no more bofors and everyone picked apartGtfo midwit
>>527964339>Basic aim assistNigger how the fuck do you expect aim assist to work if you don't have a neuralink to control your limbs
>>527964185>did he survive that?Oh course, just taking a nap before singlehandedly killing a dozen zelenskis!>>527965477In reality those officers are the ones that do the raping to force them to sign contracts.There was like only one case of a solider actually lighting up their superiors rather than let them rape him.>>527966747>it's literally illegalLol, if I had a dime for every video I've seen of mobik's complaining about "illegal orders" as if anyone cares...>>527967916>wonder when is finally one of Putin's Generals going to get pissed enough to try and kill the Kremlin midgetNot how it works there. The best chance was prigo's mad dash to Moscow.
>>527972005>Oh course, just taking a nap before singlehandedly killing a dozen zelenskis!that's a relief. Ukranians are tough.
>Microwave>yes pure cope if you think a billion dollars machine will be used to save your worthless lifePretty much any first-world nation can make these things for cheap.>>527963491The counter is to not have one guy standing in an open field with no countermeasures, same way you see a TANKS BTFO! video when the reality is tanks are supposed to be 2 miles away shooting with a 120mm high explosive + support of 10 other tanks and armored cars. Yeah, one guy standing in an open field VS some drone loses, obviously.>>527964679>What if we just took our billion dollar technology designed for the next war / counterterrorism and showcased it to our loose-lipped allies fighting an adversary we don't care about because they're ZERO threat to us in the country they're invadingYeah we should give them our UFO technology to use too that would be a great idea.>>527964172This, like shooting a bird. And any drone carrying a sufficient bomb / grenade is gonna be a sizeable target.
>>527967931Punt guns are peak White mans dominance over nature. Throw one on a Hilux and have a day. >You want to take out an entire flock of 100 ducks in one shot? Right this way sir.
>>527964885Nothing ever ends poetically. It ends and we turn it into poetry. All that blood was never once beautiful. It was just red.
>>527963357Honestly it's pretty simple to shoot down a drone, you just need to calculate for it's speed and shoot infront of its flight path. But hohols and rustards are very stupid people post-bolsheviks so they can't figure out adjusting for velocity.
>>527972308Go skeet shooting and tell us how well you do lol
>>527964781Testing new weapons and depleting reserves of conventional missles and other things we stockpiled during the cold war that are rapidly becoming obsolete so we can replace them with newer and more killier shit. >here ukraine you can have 10,000 of these missiles we built in the 80's>oh no our stocks are depleted guess we need to order 1,000,000 Super Goyim Killer 3000 hyper sonic missles from our favorite defense contractors for $1 gazillion freedom bucks that we just printed
>>527964172>>527972176Shotgun posting is terribly retardedA nicely laden drone can travel 25m/sGo pattern your favorite shotgun load at 50m and tell me what it looks like>Oh but my #2/4 steel duplex roundsNo energy at that distance>Oh okay ill do #5-7 leadDeforms in your choke, spreads too much>Okay tungsten #6 or 7 it is$10/shot, most eurotard guns arent rated for it and almost exclusively sourced from chinaBEST case tungsten #6 out of a 3" gun kicks like a mule and sort of works out to the whopping distance of 50m. You can hear a FPV at about 100m when its manuvering hard. So you have ~4 seconds to pull out the shotgun, find it in mid air, dump your tube at it and pray you connect before it gets near you and fuckin explodes.
>>527972308>shoot right in front of the pathIncorrect. You follow the trajectory with the gun and fire when you're tracking it perfectly. The momentum of the barrel will transfer to the pellets giving them the same momentum and trajectory, leading right to the drone, assuming you don't flinch or fuck it up.
>>527971800i don't take lessons on how to fight wars from russians.>>527971820i'm sure you'll catch everyone off guard with your genius strategy of shooting at the enemy until they're dead, anon. literally nobody could have ever seen the idea of "shoot artillery at it" coming.you are the fucking midwit, retard. you can think of a counterplay but you lack theory of mind so cannot understand that your enemy can also think of counterplays to your counterplay.you think you're going to win a war with the genius never before tried strategy of "shoot it with artillery" and think other people are midwits. fucking stupid.
>>527972667#4 shot are .22 caliber and there's about 20-25 per shot. They absolutely have enough energy at 50 yards to take out plastic. That would be the ideal round to use. 00 only has 8-9 shots, bird shot is too small but there's hundreds of them.
>>527963491Flexible carbon fiber mesh cage around troops. Really though, spread your troops out and make it cost ineffective to kill every single one of them.
>>527963357>arm every soldier with a shotgun with birdshots>fishnet (literally) everything>dig underground for safety>use unmanned ground vehicles for supplying
>>527972667>No energy at that distanceDrones are extremely fragile and hitting basically any part of them disables the drone. Sometimes they even break themselves on their own hitting a leaf or something. So many larpers who have never even flown one before think they're some magic super weapons that are also armored.
>>527972549I've never been but I'm confident I would do amazingly. I'm pro at counter strike and when I was a kid I was a beast with my ball gun. This one time I went to laser tag with guys who have been going before and I totally destroyed all of them with insane hs ratios and better K/D than all of them combined. >>527972715But bro if you're tracking perfectly every time you fire a bullet the drone is no longer there. You need to prefire at least a little bit.
>>52797300416 plastic blades that all need to be perfectly balanced at 5000 rpm are somewhat easy to destabilize.
>>52796335712 gauge bird shot it's literally made for flying objects
>>527972778>This copeThis is why people dont constantly run jammers in ukraine. All it does is draw in more interesting weapons systems (fiber, arty, longer range strike drones, etc).>>527972842>PlasticGood news, FPV drones are made out of primarily carbon FRP sheet. Between 3-6mm depending on the specific component. #4 steel at those distances wont pass through 1" of pine board and you expect them to do anything to carbon FRP sheet? lmao bro that shit is borderline bouncing off of it>But the mavics are plastic ive held oneThe mavics are observing you from hundreds of meters away. FPV drones are used for the terminal attack.>But you could hit a camera, battery or wire!You totally could fuck up a wire or a camera lens but the thing is still flying directly at your face. Idk if youve ever tried to shoot wires apart at distance with a shotgun either lmao.>BuckshotYeah no lol>>527973004See aboveYour mavic you hit a branch with != a FPVYou can easily fly a FPV with cracked props, pieces of props missing, etc. Especially considering at this point the drone has inertia and a terminal heading of towards your fucking face.>>527973113Retard
>>527973175How am I a retard it's bird shot is literally made for that situation
>>527973175>copeyou're the retard who said "hurr durr i cast artillery!" and decided everyone else was a midwit for not comprehending your genius
>>527972667>So you have ~4 seconds to pull out the shotgun, find it in mid air, dump your tube at it and pray you connect before it gets near you and fuckin explodes.Me, as just some guy in an open field and alone and there's no countermeasures or anything?OK so at that point I'm in an open field and some little artillery shell could have been sent at me or a bullet instead (travels much faster than a drone) could have been shot at me from 500 meters.What the fuck's up retard what are you talking about?Is this the fatal flaw in dronetard thinking? A gun of any kind shoots further, is more deadly, and they have remote-controlled gun carriages now, but they're all clapping and crying and shitting themselves over flying drones. It's just retarded, flying drones are actually beaten by projectile weapons still but it's delusional shit like this all the time anyway.>>527973081This.>>527973175>You can fly a POV with damageYou can't. Larp. You don't know what you're talking about at all.And at the distances you're talking about you could just be shot by a gun or shot by artillery literally miles away anyway, so this whole drone thing is moot because better weapons are available.
>>527973040>But bro if you're tracking perfectly every time you fire a bullet the drone is no longer there. You need to prefire at least a little bitNope. Learn physics.
>>527973238You're retarded for falling for bait, anon
>>527963357Serious QuestionCan't they just build really concave shields to put on their arms so when the drone dives down they get behind the shield and the blast goes around the shield and in turn the person behind the shield?
>>527963357Wanna know what survivor bias means?It means you will never see a video of a drone being shot down or stopped by drone defense.
>>527973175>all those wordsI'm fully convinced you have no idea what you're talking about without even reading any of that.
>>527972549I skeeted as a child with no experience and hit like 20% of them is this supposed to be some big gotcha?
>>527973266lmao you dense retard do you think people fire drones like firing guns like point shoot and forget
>>527973175bullets impart a force on what they hit and this often knocks FPV drones off course. as they are low to the ground this often results in them ending up fouled and disabled. you can literally watch it happen in videos. FPV drones are small and light because they're expendable and because they need to go fast and far on small batteries.you are not as smart as you think you are.
>>527963357Just end this shit already, jesus.
>>527973353I suppose that's true
>>527973357Just use 2 drones. Although I'm surprised attempts at the return of phalanxes hasn't returned, I imagine all that would do is prime groups into a cluster ideal for artillery strikes
>>527973417You guys really love posting words on a screen. No actual response to anything, just>I didn't read but I'm gonna post words
>>527966526In the US the penalty for draft dodging (if they reinstate the draft) is 5 years in prison. Still preferable to being blown up.
>>527963679>SAAAR RUSSIAN VICTORY AGAINST WEAK GLO OHOMO WECT I WILL HAVE BLONDE GIRLFRIEND YOU BLOOD BENCHO BASTERD.Go join yhe 30k or so idiots they hire every month to get some football fields worth of land every year.
>>527972778>i don't take lessons on how to fight wars from Russians.lmao, no shit.and now look at you pussies
>>527971229Right, and next youre gonna tell me nukes arent real and we never went to space too
>>527973607>and now look at you pussies...safe and warm on my island laughing at millions of dead russians?
>>527973357They don't even give most of them body armor or uniforms.That's why the burn so good, cheap Chinese camo.So I guess it's entirely possible we could see some mobik try your idea with some cheap riot shield.
>>527964287America's mass shooter problem was a terrorist epidemic. It only ended when they discontinued the use of brominated vegetable oil in our goyslop
>>527973238Birdshot is extremely weakMost kills on birds are fairly close all things consideredBird is killed by hitting the ground not the actual shot itself>>527973254t. Zero understanding of nuance>>527973266>You could die from a car accident so why worry about having a fire extinguisherBruh what?>You cantYou can, ive done itI fly freestyle 5", 7", dji, autel and tinywhoops.Go take the corner edge of your prop off and fly any FPV. Thing will rock as it compensates for the weaker thrust on one arm but wont do shit>>527973390k. Go pattern a shotgun.>>527973420>Bullets impart a force>The amount of force that cant penetrate a piece of woodNogunz post. >Knocked off course>Manually piloted gyro stabilized droneSo nothing happened>FPV>LightA 10" drone is 1kg for the naked drone, 800g for the battery and 2kg for the warhead. You arent stopping a bowling ball rolling at speed with birdshot.
>>527964348Its because if you dont make them blunderbusses they outperform every other gun. Because video games are CQB only. Even Dust 2s longest shot is only about 250 yards. Given the compressed fights you have to ludicrously compress the range of the shotgun or it one shots anyone anywhere.
>>527973555>The penalty is 5 yearsLooking at past wars 90%+ of draft dodgers were never actually punished and of the remaining 10% the only ones who got real sentences were ones who didn't have good lawyers.
>>527973619Both true
>>527973783>>The amount of force that cant penetrate a piece of wood>Nogunz post.bullets penetrate wood all the time. that's why we don't use wood in body armour.who is nogunz?>birdshoti didn't say birdshot faggot, i said a bofors gun. is this argument too complex for your little midwit brain to keep track of?
>>527963422>I would simply choose not to die in a retarded banker war.this
>>527971356why did you strawman like a little faggot? shut up retard
>>527973783>>You could die from a car accident so why worry about having a fire extinguisherOnce again just words on a screen and no response.>Corner edge of prop bro just take it offNow do this with a steel BB that blasted through it while in air close to the ground, it's crashing.LARP, entirely larp.
>>527973607Russia's economy is in freefall, there's blackouts throughout the country, Russian generals have resorted to lying about gains, starlink was just shut off for you, and NATO is seizing a Russian shadow vessel every day. Literally the only non-kiked thing Trump has done was turn on Russia. What did you do to puss off Israel? Fund Iran, perhaps? Retards
>>527963412>All good reasons to stay home during ww3They will come into our homes. Eventually.
>>527963412Exactly.I spend my days playing vidya, eating snacks, fapping to loli incest hentai and taking naps.Whenever I hear about American who willingly flew over there to enlist and fight with the Ukrainians then end up dying, I laugh.Mind your own business, retards.
>>527971356>War is shit, a guy with a gun has no more chance against a tank or artillery strike than a suicide drone.I said this in my earlier post and got NO RESPONSE, just words put on a screen at me and no actual responses or arguments.Basically all of what these drones are shown doing can be done better by artillery literally miles away or some armored vehicle that just rolled up and did it from 1/2 a mile away and then left, or even some guy with a rifle.Just some guy standing out in the open and because they see the videos if it it's>Wow how do you even beat this that's terribleWhen the same video could have shown 20 people being blown up by 200mm shells from a couple miles away or something. It's entirely a pysop pretending some little prop drones are now some amazing weapon when in almost every circumstance they're beaten by conventional weapons.
>>527963491as far as you know. your definition of terrorist is off. they absolutely use drones on american soil
>>527973792Shotgun slugs are the equivalent of a .45 and shot pellets have even less penetration. Fallout New Vegas is the only game that represents this properly IE your SOL with a shotty unless you have VIDYAGAEM perks
>>527974236>Shotgun slugs are equivalent to a .45Larp nogunz.
>>527973953Steel is the worst choice, it has the lowest KE and worst pattern out of any pellet at distance dumbass. >Go snap a propDone it and have flown obstacle courses like that. Its not hard, especially if youre trying to put a bomb relatively close to anyonehttps://youtu.be/VYbjcpueumc?t=469>>527974193>Tiny manportable precision guided weapons arent scary as fuckThe 200mm system is subject to counter battery, observation and limited by logistics posing a threat to it. The drone operator is subject to all of this at a significantly smaller scale while being significantly more portable, easier to train and more survivable.>MBTs are obsolete because NLAW!Imagine the balls it takes to close with and destroy an MBT with a shoulder fired missile. Leaning out from cover to engage this direct fire system with your own directfire system. Now replace that with the same guy, for less money putting a FPV drone up from concealment and cover to engage the same MBT. The MBT operator has no option to suppress the shooter or even shoot at him. The MBT just has to eat its hits.Same is true of the lone dude moping around outside a trench. He knows he cant actually effect the drone operator in any meaningful way while the drone stalks him.
>>527963357and the real thing is, the cost of producing, programming and controlling the drones is going exponentialy down corresponding to the advance in AI. They will be for cheaper than human soldiers. This will be the last war with human soldiers. 20 years from now a drone swarm will obliterate a human target before it can even become mobilized. there will be no point in even trying. there are only 2 outcomes possible, total butlerian jihad or submit to the AI
>>527973319Yes physics say that the drone coming towards you moves about 12 meters in quarter of a second which is your reaction time if alert so yeah you need to shoot infront of it bruh
>>527974474Finally a couple of actual arguments, it took you your 6th post to post arguments instead of words.>Steel is the worst choiceWho fucking cares nigger still no argument here>Done it and flown coursesDo it while loaded up and do it with a shotgun pellet, and not snapped clean off but damaged and working incorrectly.>200mm subject to counterbattery and logistics problemsYeah see now we're getting into the actual arguments here, whereas before you weren't actually talking about man-portable drones in the way they're applied, they're used as a substitute and aid to better systems.. But artillery is portable now and uses drones to spot for it and is much more accurate than in the past with any first-world nation.>Just kill the tank with a drone bro!And now you're flying a specially designed shape charge and even bigger drone into a tank that should have supporting elements, you have a chance to take it out but countermeasures are being developed and you've created many more vulnerabilities for said drone system - namely that it's bigger and you're hitting a target that should be supported.>Same thing for the dude outside of the trenchWho could be shot by some guy with a rifle anyway or shot by a tank anyway or shot by artillery anyway or step on a landmine or ect ect, no argument here at all and you go back to posting words.
>>527974813>namely that it's bigger and you're hitting a target that should be supported.What does infantry support do against FPV drones?
>>527974996You've posted words again it's like it's all you can do.
>>527963357Thankfully most people recognize drone warfare as terrorism so after this is over nobody's going to fight
>>527963357Another guy all by himself just wandering around in the middle of nowhere.
>>527963357Lol fake. That some Looney tunes garbage, people don't literally get gibbed IRL from a small arms explosive like a grenade or drone. At worse it might blow an arm or leg off at point blank but it's not gonna turn someone into literal Garfield cartoon chunksRetarts
>>527963357A net. Simple solutions work wonders. In iraq we put a heated box on a stick in front of vehicles to set off ieds
>>527974032Who? I trust chinamen more than my own pedophilic cabal of a government and the zogbots who serve it.
>>527964287drones are already highly controlled here
>>527974996>>527974474Like I just want to draw attention to this, that it took this guy 6 posts to make ONE argument and then when he was given a response he did this>>527974996It's just a meaningless spam topic that they never actually argue about in any way. All of these threads are just an excuse to post drone videos.
>>527963540Ah yes, Cyrax-maxxing
>>527975366>In iraq we put a heated box on a stick in front of vehicles to set off iedsThen they put a delay on themAnd then the stick became adjustableand then .... and then....Cheap iterative solutions will always be a threat to a more advanced military. Not a decisive conflict winner but a threat.>>527975551Me keep reply shortYou fear word
>>527963357t.chinese drone manufacturer>>527964287>terrorists arent' a thing at the moment in USAHalf the country is loaded with domestic terrorists
>>527975976>You don't even understand basic english, it's not long words or too many I'm complaining about here, your entire post was just words and nothing else, like you think if you put words on a screen they somehow mean something.
>>527964353>it's impossible for a human to defend against this.Drones can't engage multiple targets at the same time. Every squad formation keeps a 10 meter distance between every troop. This is why every military will tell you not to bunch up in the field.
>>527973921Given you're not even one of the anons I was replying to I have no idea what triggered your whining.Have you considered going back to plebbit where you'd feel more comfortable?
>>527974236A 12 gauge shot gun slug is 1.00 ounces of lead with a diameter of around 0.5". It is in fact not comparable to a .45, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>527976093>You just post wordsI know you just blew in from stupid town but thats generally how replies on an imageboard work
>>527974734>bruh>broYou're wrong and sound retarded while you are doing it. >you have to shoot in frontNo. You move the barrel so it tracks the drone perfectly, meaning it is moving at the same rotational speed. When you fire, the pellets are still moving at that speed. They will then follow the same trail as the barrel, following the drone and hitting it.>no you have to shoot in frontIf that's your reply then I know you're a bot or just a retard abd either way fuck off.
>>527976238Yeah like see all he can do is post words, he's not from here so he doesn't even understand what the white people are saying.
>>527974813Why do zoomers NEED to "argue" all the time? Why can't you people just have discussions? You have such a desperate need for validation you need constant W's and L's.
>>527976470Well when someone is claiming something and someone else is claiming something different there's supposed to be some kind of argument instead of giant paragraphs of unrelated words talking about the weather and the color of their jeans.
>>527974030Russia has a very love/hate relationship with Israel, because they're both Jewish they band together but also constantly backstab.>>527974193If anything I'd say the role of drones in spotting positions is the bigger impact.Sure Russia can just level a whole area but they quickly faced issues keeping up with the volume and the workforce issues have only gotten worse.It's probably a big part of why both sides have switched to smaller groups of on-the-ground troops actually going out with cheaper small vehicles when they get them. Less to lose if one group is spotted and taken out.
>>527974344Fuck off, I was thinking of a 20 gauge
>>527963357They make laser defense systems that destroy flying bugs. Couldn't you just deploy laser turrets to auto shoot down drones?
>>527976680missiles will take those out
>>527973921Why did you plebbit space? Are you a nigger?!
>>527976680If you can auto-shoot some laser at a drone you could auto-shoot shotgun pellets at it that are cheaper and more effective. It really does not take a lot to take out some drone and some autoloading shotgun would be far more expensive than some laser.Trying to burn whatever critical spot on the drone to disable it VS blasting it with 50 pellets that all hit different areas and have their own mass that will also leave parts dangling and disabled.
>>527976680Power consumption and the logistics footprint of it is going to make these gilded towers impractical outside of larger static defenses. At that point people will just sat attack them like they do with current kinetic kill options.
>>527963357Not a bad way to go.He died instantly.Thing that sucks about Ukraine is that is flat with no trees.But all you really need is a 20 gauge with bird shot.
>>527976847Drones are notoriously propeller propelled
>>527963357>all of you would die in drone warfare there's not a single defense against drones that isn't pure copeno, just you fatass>ineffective in ling range but the time is effective the drone is so close to you you'll dielearn how to spell, and learn how to pack gooseshot extra hot>bullseye over herelearn how to shoot faggot>all drones use fiber optic now they can't be jammedthey all use cameras, and infrared flares make all optics within 50 meters useless, also, some crazy slav made a working ninja star/beyblade launcher prototype, it cuts through fiber optic with ease, also, net cannons are unbelievably effective>yes pure cope if you think a billion dollars machine will be used to save your worthless lifeagain, only for (((You))), microwave based directed energy weapons are pretty cheap to produce, and even cheaper to use
>>527977027Thanks, I had no idea!>>527976980>But all you really need is a 20 gauge with bird shot.Bad post. Go pattern a 20ga at distance.
>>527963357All drones don’t use fiber optics it depends what section of the front you are looking at and even then it’s like 50/50. The problem with jammers is they can fuck up your own communications they do use jammers tho but they come with their own challenges. As for drone defense Idk anon I’m not that smart they seem pretty damn effective from the thousands and thousands of drone kinos I have seen. I’m not sure what the counter is. It’s probably going to be cheap throw away drones that can be used to knock other drones out of the sky. I have heard that one being used. It’s going to have to be drone on drone warfare and there are some systems in play like that as I understand. Tunnels seem to be a good counter too. Just hang sheets in the doorways every so often and the drone can’t get through them.
>>527977184>>527976847Damn he just straight up stops responding to people the moment any arguments are made, has to hop back and forth.>>527974813See back to here, this never got a response. The entire purpose is just to spam as many posts as possible and never respond to any arguments. Every single drone thread is like this.Raw milk btw.
>>527974236Lmao, you know nothing about shotguns. And slugs are but one round. Theyve got plenty of others. Including armor piercing ones, incendiary, even explosive rounds.
>>527963491>terrorist never use them in usaTerrorism is extremely easy, all you need is a kitchen knife in a crowd. Terrorism doesn't happen because very few people want to be terrorists.
>>52796335710 kW laser with a compatible 1064nm diode is about $1,000 to an end user, and then another 300-400 for all the electronics and batteries to make it rifle sized. At 10 kW any camera technology that takes even a glimpse of the focused beam is completely fried, you can even burn drones out of the air with constant application. For defense capabilities, you can fab your own invisible turbo infrared cannon from a welding laser for ~$15k which comes pre-built with a 1064nm diode capable of burning these fuckers out of the sky from 2+ miles away if you can fit together some pvc, properly spec’d optics, and a lot of wire running to a bird’s nest.Tie it all together with an automated targeting system and turret, and they’ll have to bomb you from space or launch a missile strike to move you from your position. If the Geneva conventions weren’t so fucking retarded, and we had military engineers with half the brains of styropyro, we’d be able to instantly blind anybody anywhere in LOS, even multiple miles away before they had time to blink, and rape drones out of the sky with literal laser precision or at least make them impossible to operate.At least Raytheon is taking this tech that exists somewhat seriously. I always wondered why militia larpers don’t stockpile kilowatt level lasers. You will never, ever, ever, in a thousand years, outgun the US militarized forces. But it takes one retard with a shiny light to permanently blind anybody (even a whole platoon) within a 5 mile distance in a fraction of a nanosecond. >t. Laser fanatic>pic related, faggot.
>>527963491We don’t have a counter either retard. It’s really an issue of regulation but a lot of the drones I have seen them making in Ukraine seem relatively easy to make but I suppose the biggest barrier of entry would be the boom boom part. Eventually they will be used for it tho
>>527963535>I hope the drone operators are torturedMore zigger cope"How dare you attack me from long range and I can't fight back?!"
>>527977273>Refuse to read anything>Get mad I dont reply to youNaw>>527977264Solid takes overallIn addition to sheets, sharp 90 degree turns will reduce the momentum that can be carried.>>527977511>1064nmStep it up to a co2 tube so you can splat thermals easier.
>>527963357>ineffective in ling rangekid, shoot a gun before you speakstandard trap competitions have you shoot fast moving targets that are 10x smaller than a drone at up to 100 meters, and it also travels at 120k/hthey legit should train soldiers how to use shotguns, drone is bigger and easier to hit that your typical competition disc
>>52797618512ga is .729cal.Your big pistol cartridges fall between 20ga and .410 in diameter, but shotgun shells are usually much longer.
>>527977578Probably a good idea for a turret, but how do you replace it in the field if it leaks or breaks? I like to believe laser warfare will turn to two main frequencies, both being infrared so that you can’t even see anything coming before it permanently disables you. Russia is fucking retarded and experimenting using visible light spectrum like a fucking teenager who got a laser light off of eBay. Raytheon has some of the most promising anti-drone and anti-personnel (even though it will NEVER be marketed for use against soft targets). Gotta have two diode types, they have to discharge reliably, and you can’t make it easily detectable, or countries will mass produce shielding to block the specific spectrum.God, war is so fucking dumb.
>>527977831Skeet is usually crossing or moving away. It is a shared skill, but the target is moving in an opposite direction. The 45mph speed of skeet is similar enough to a small drone.
>>527978114>but how do you replace it in the field if it leaks or breaks?You dont. This is something like a CRAM you'd have at the fob until people start flying them a couple feet off the ground to beat the max depression (safety/fleshy target limit) of the system.
>>527963357>collapses the global supply chainSo tell me more about these drones...
>>527963357Just throw a net at them silly. Also saying shotguns are bad at long range makes me think you think they work like in video games lol.
>>527963357>there's not a single defense against drones that isn't pure copeVehicle based AA, 7.62mm MGs and 30-35mm airburst auto cannons for extended range.Also APS.
>>527963603Based and same
>>527978170dont shoot skeet since its pain in ass to set upanyway with a 50% accuracy for begginers and 95+ for experienced shooters im legit confused why units dont carry shotguns on top of rifles, especially since they are few times cheaper to producethey again i bet those fucks have 0 training, in ukine just vanned and send out, in russia its hobos, excons and mercenaries they are trying to get rid of
>>527978297Someday.In the meantime, someone please get Raytheon to reply to my emails so I can stick one of these fuckers in the back of my truck and watch some alphabet agency lose their fucking minds. AI won’t help me develop my own targeting algorithm and I’m too retarded to make it myself. I need this.
>>527978604>experienced shooters im legit confused why units dont carry shotguns on top of riflesCurrent meta in Ukraine Russian 4 man squad has at least 1 shotgun, possibly 2.
>>527963357people think civil wars will happen in Western countries. not with drone warfare being a thing
>>527963535>NOOOO YOU GOTTA LET THEM INVADE YOUR COUNTRY IN HOARDS AND THEN FIGHT THEN FACE TO FACE please kys
>>527963573He was probably full of adrenaline and just focused, it probably was not terrifying
>>527966569USA Marinas throw away a lot of high tensile fishing line ( used by charter boats and sport fishing). All should be donated to Ukraine to make field walls.
>>527963491it will happen eventually, like armor got outdated by guns, something will appear that will negate kamikaze drones.It won't make drones obsolete, because they are useful in many areas, but they won't be used anymore as kamikaze drones.
>>527978477A net doesn't have enough force to stop the greater momentum of a drone or grenade.
>>527963357>ineffective in ling range but the time is effective the drone is so close to you you'll dieIt’s called a shotgun turretObvious solution since day 1
>>527979004Drones are just flying phones with guns. Fry the optics, or their signal, and they’re an instant liability. Just because you won’t be useful in a civil war, doesn’t mean everyone would be. The only reason drones are so scary right now is because it’s “kind of” emerging tech combined with geriatric bureaucrats throwing teenagers into trenches trying to pretend war is ever going to be boots on ground without SIGNIFICANT counter tech in place to cover à la USA abducting that venny communist. It’s so dumb. It’s all such a waste, and it’s all posturing by kikes trying to fuel military contractors and the rest of the global economy.
>>527967876Maybe, but not as certainly as getting hit with buckshot. The salient question is, why bother with birdshot when you could use buckshot which is actually designed for animals of more similar mass to a human than a quail or a turkey? It's not for the spread, which doesn't matter at home distances. It's not for the cost, they're not that different. And it certainly shouldn't be for the reduced lethality, since that is just opening yourself up to litigation that won't exist if the home intruder is dead and can't tell his side of the story. So why use it when buckshot is more effective, just as available and works in the same gun with all the same characteristics? Why bother defending a worse option?In the end birdshot for home defense is a dumb boomer thing that has at its root some soft-headed idea about not killing the home intruder but just "teaching him a lesson," an idea that probably didn't have a basis even in the high-trust 1950s but certainly doesn't have a basis today. Boomers are now smart enough to not say out loud that's why they started doing it - perhaps they don't remember - but they still can't give any reason why birdshot should ever be preferred to the equally available and more effective buckshot shells. Doesn't matter, they still use it anyway because they're stubborn and can't take the L, so they'll insist it's just as good without ever saying why you'd settle for just as good when there's no need to. tl;dr: if you wouldn't take birdshot to hunt a deer, there's no reason to use it while defending your home either.
>>527963357https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6XdcWToy2c>billion dollars machinetry free. get a used microwave and make the machine yourself. The only problem is lugging around the heavy batteries.
>>527972850>Really though, spread your troops out and make it cost ineffective to kill every single one of them.It’s cost effective to spend 500$ worth of drones for a dozen to kill a full human being that takes 30 years to grow lmfao stop smoking
>>527963357The only things that have worked for Russia in this war are along the lines of medieval orc shit, which can apply to drones: >expanding net launcher >tunneling >interlocking cope cage matrix >
>>527979700Who the fuck actually hunts deer with buckshot? Even for home defense it’s legitimately the mid choice. Learn to aim and use a 30-06 like a real man. Benelli with a slug-buckshot combo round for home defense. It’s not that fucking hard.
>>527979700Because it is sufficient (but by no means optimal) to end the threat with a reasonably high degree of confidence, people who aren't necessarily foremost concerned with optimizing lethality can instead try to optimize other factors, such as managing public perception to minimize the risk of legal trouble. If a prosecutor with a stick up their ass decides to drag you into court, having used birdshot will automatically remove any credibility from their "he WANTED to kill" rhetoric (which prosecutors love, and which dumbass juries may find emotionally compelling.)Personally, I choose buckshot every time. But I don't think people who choose birdshot are being totally unreasonable.
>>527963357>Armored vehicles>Bunkers>Anti-drone jammers>Moving at night using flares as counter measureAnd yes, shotgun workshttps://youtu.be/mORdXxZ2uKUAlthough the future of warfare will be drones vs drones.
>>527980016Min-maxed home defense is a short AR, but it's not really relevant to the point I'm making.>>527980036>to minimize the risk of legal trouble.The best way to minimize the risk of legal trouble is to kill absolutely every home intruder 100% dead. Then it's your word against the corpse's. So optimized lethality IS the best legal protection too.Choosing non-optimized lethality will also compromise your defense since anything less than the maximum force you could've brought to bear will compromise your implicit claim that you feared for your life. If you feared for your life why did you hold back?Again this is soft-headed boomer stuff that doesn't have any accounting of how courtrooms actually work. They think somebody's going to be understanding. They won't be.
>>527980575The point is that birdshot at indoor ranges is still reasonably likely to kill the intruder. It's not the best, but it's high enough that people aren't necessarily wrong to be satisfied with it.
>>527980319>the year is 2046>everyone except China and USA have been completely glassed.>Each living person in every branch of the US military is sitting in a bunker somewhere under Cheyanne mountain glued to a VR headset. They’re not even manually piloting the drones, just letting their brains be fully used for “Wartime.Boeing AI’s” processing power. >The Chinese are all doing the same thing underneath one of their mountains named after some enlightened chink. >every drone is equipped with a nuclear warhead and high powered laser cannon. >War consists of burning drones out of the sky and nuking land features trying to deface the entire earth faster than the automated AI factories can work, or the automated AI miners can get the raw materials for. >MFW Russian teenagers are still somehow walking around Europe getting obliterated and trying to figure out why the sky is constantly buzzing and the sun is red.
>>527963357>muh shotgunShot would work you faggot
>>527963357Make your own drones stupid. Make a net gun out of PVC pipe. Why have men become so retarded in modern times? Adapt to survive. We're supposed to be good a making weapons and counter weapons. Our weapon is our brain, and yours is dull if you can't beat a fucking toy.
>>527981495>Amerimutt mutting
>>527963357Someone should build a pop-out anti drone cage that functions similarly to a pop out tent, that can be carried and deployed rapidly to give some protection from the drone entering a narrow space or having full explosive power. It could be built out of a material that is light but dampens the impact enough for you to survive and creates enough distance from you to the blast to minimise the damage. I have no clue how you’d make such a thing though and thinking about it now I doubt any such material exists that could create enough distance.Another random idea is a device that deploys around the drone and wraps it up in an explosive resistant material, completely enveloping it like a shroud. Fired at the drone, it brings it to the ground by immediately halting its flight. Fired from a small cannon like those things at basketball games.
>>527963491It's literally because modern men are too lazy and stupid to adapt their weaponry. You're clinging to your rifles like grandpa to his swords. They're outdated and ineffective, we need to adapt our arsenals. When more zoomers come of age you'll see high tech attacks.Look at this Jewish war crime (Ukraine is currently a Jewish nation).
Or how about a rifle that rapid fires projectiles that are weighted objects with a wire in the middle that stretch out as they fly. With capability to fire dozens per second at an incoming drone and likely entangle its in the wires and smash it with the weights.
>>527981576Nigger I'm brilliant. You want an RPG?>model rockets>metal or PVC pipe>BBQ lighter or rig the rocket igniter properlyHave fun.
What about electromagnetic smoke to confuse or disable drones?
>>527981712>he reinvented a bolaThe mind of an abbo at work. 2000 years behind American natives.
>>527981712You're still thinking like a stupid yoomer caveman. A cheap rocket or gyrojet type projectile programmed to seek drones. Or just counter drones following your movements manned by others. You can't fight a war by yourself and you can't fight a war with just your muskets. Update your arsenal, these new weapons are easy to DIY at least.
>>527981081>>527980575birdshot doesn't penetrate through walls you idiots, that's why you're less likely to hit someone else in the house or for the rounds to go outside and hit a neighborwhy you aren't recommended to use high caliber rifle rounds in home defense, over penetrationnothing to do with lethality, birdshot from a 12 ga is lethal at close range even if buckshot is betterbuckshot, like slugs, penetrates wallsthat's it
>>527981820You know you could become a billionaire sending your amazing brilliant ideas to Ukraine or Russia, right?Or even your own government most likely.
>>527981662jews will ALWAYS win, dumbfuck goy
>>527982033I like my odds with buckshot more than anything else. Walls be damned.
Niggerfaggot warfare. Simple as.>INB4 snipers etc.
>>527982033>walls made out of paperRidiculous. Even my internal walls would stop anything but a 50cal
>>527963357This will be a pacification method against civilians in 10-20 years. Ty for your support.
>>527982442This is America.But mine are brick because the building is old.
>>527982033>mfw some Jew who’s never touched a rifle in it’s life is trying to convince me to use birdshot in home defense because buckshot or a .223 is going to go through 5 walls, 10 panels of drywall, a half dozen 2x4’s, the siding of their house, then through another 5 walls, 10 panels of drywall, and a half dozen 2x4’s straight into their neighbor’s baby’s skull.You creatures are so tiresome. Fuck off, I’m killing anyone invading my house, not peppering them like a steak.
>>527963357What did the lil'guy die for
>>527963357gotta get yourself a microwave scattergun holmes
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>>527963357why dont they just have that grenade launcher attachment and get rounds that shoot out nets?
>>527982033Birdshot barely penetrates skin. People have been shot point blank in the back of the head with birdshot and walked away. It's designed to hurt birds enough so they can't fly and you pick them up, often having to kill them while they're on the ground writhing in pain. But not enough damage to destroy them or you wouldn't get any meat out of them. Absolutely retarded to use birdshot on people, but indeed good for drones. You need #4 buck, #00 buck, or above, or slugs for people.
>>527983358You still have to hit it and how wide are the nets? Might as well do birdshot with a wide spread choke. A net would be good if you had like a backpack that could shoot out a net house when activated. Like a tent, but a net to save weight and still allow the soldiers to shoot out. But you pull a cord and it activates like an airbag, shooting a dome shaped net tent out around you and everyone gets in until the drone is dealt with. Since we don't have forcefields yet.
>>527983971Or program a little .22 minigun like the Tippmann to target drones. When a drone is detected the designated counter-drone guy deploys the minigun on the ground and it uses programming to take out any drones it detects while they run away or take cover. In established safe zones they can just leave the counter-drone turrets out.
>>527983971what about a powerful leafblower
>>527984718Now you're thinkin
