give me a single realistic scenario in which ukraine wins
>>527963982I hate war so much it's unreal
>>527963982Ukraine is just to wear you down before WW3 starts.
>>527963982Is it porn?
>>527963982they turn this guy into robocop
>>527963982When Russia’s economy collapses in the next 12-18 months, soldiers can no longer be paid and they revolt just like in 1917
Do you think he waddles around like a zombie, or does he roll to move about?
>>527963982
All slavniggers die and white people win
>>527963982putin dies, russia fall to anarchy, ukraine take back Belgorod
>>52796433450-75 more weeks
>>527964135Ok let Hamas rape your family then lol
>>527964432
China invades Taiwan
>>527963982>years go by>russia has made zero advancementyou're a laughing stock.>>527964135you can hate me now.but i won't stop now.sincerely,war
>>527964334>just like in 1917well, not JUST like it.it will be exceptionally less jewish.
>>527963982- Low flying cruise missiles give Ukraine a 1:1 response to attacks on civilian infrastructure.- Muscovites suddenly stop caring about patriotism when their lights go out too.- Putin goes full dictator and gets couped (or cup of tea'd).
>>527963982Objectively going to be hard since Russia has already secured a landbridge and has effectively already won but I'll give it a shotThey'd need to resort to gas weapons on Russian farms somehow I imagine, if they could get past the borders and damage Russian food supply this would achieve a lot, combine it with mining logistics between Russia and China and it could be effectiveAlternatively and this is the strategy they'd actually go forAttempt to assassinate putin and set up a stooge using the CIAs help, this would require assassinating elements friendly to putin within the government too, essentially puppeteeting it, which I mean, is the kind of thing the CIA doesIn reality the war is already over and has been a long time, NATO wants escalation and it might happen post Trump, but Russia controls the land bridge to sevastapol, the fighting should have stopped years ago but zelensky is a jew, as is mentioned in the epstein files
>>527963982Their other option was no longer existing, so winning for them equals continued survival. Nobody knows what Russia considers a winning outcome in this conflict.
>>527964495>>527965063Can you denounce the talmud, the torah and the illegitimate state of israel?
>>527965063Literally retarded, as Ukraine can't keep that up, and Russia can easily escalate strikes doing the same, would rally Russians into accepting a higher level of war
>>527965147Talmud is jewish circle jerk about how smart they are and how everything they do to goy is always justified. Jews don't give a shit about the Torah and neither do I. All states are illegitimate.
dat bulge doe
>>527963982Do you think his bros jerk him off?
>>527965411If the factories aren't even in Ukraine it doesn't take a lot of forces to keep firing the cruise missiles. Neither does it take a lot of forces to keep Russia from advancing, because manned warfare has gone back to WW1 style thanks to drones, mines and AA.The switch from inertial guidance to realtime ground hugging for cruise missiles is huge, it invalidates most defence. Point defence still works, but you can't point defend high voltage distribution lines.
>>527963982all jews and shabbos goys mysteriously evaporate>realisticoh, never mind>>527964135>i hate what i have createddo something about it then..
>>527965147Does Putin?
>>527966006Can you?
>>527964334You niggers have been saying this for years>just 12 more monthsNobody gets fooled into thinking this is a smart ”analysis” anymore, it’s just a cope, kys faggot
>>527965863Who is making them my dude? Missles are expensive, especially new NATO stockUkraine does not have the technical knowledge to complete massed strikes, all it would accomplish is a greater willingness for a higher level of war, which could mean mass bombings of civilian centers or more nuclear strikesWhile this is a retarded idea and poor strategy, it is likely zelensky will do this, because his goal will be to draw in allies for the war - the hope would be that Russia attacks his suppliers, but the odds of this happening are incredibly low
>>527965131Russia would declare victory if they only managed to take one small village. This is a war of optics for Russia vs survival for Ukraine, and the result so far is Ukraine fighting to survive and Russia embarrassing itself by showing the world that they aren't as tough as we had feared.
>>527963982They blow up Chernobyl and destroy the world.
>>527965147I denounce the talmudI denounce the torahI denounce the illegitimate israelI denounce the soviet unionYour turn brown filth, all four.>>527966040You retards have been insisting that Ukraine is two weeks away from collapse for years.
>>527963982.All I can figure out is q Russian civil war which will require a Right wing regime change aligning with the West, instead of the East.
>>527964334What do we do when nothing happens in 12-18 months? We wait another 12-18 months again? Pretty sure it's been the plan for a few years now. Meanwhile Ukraine just keeps shrinking, depopulating and getting more indebted.
>>527964491Yid women wish that was true, this chick got a nose job because of the devastation of palestinians not wanting to sleep with a roastie.>>527964334But wasn't this the cope said for the past few years?I thought they were on the verge of collapse and using shovels in the war.>>527964417>All slavniggers die and yids winFTFYLook up Chabad Heavenly Israel
>>527964135FPBP. The Russia-Ukraine war is the most fucked up thing I've seen in my lifetime. Everything related to it is awful. Endless killing, endless propaganda, and endless shitflinging. Absolute disgrace.
>>527966151>especially new NATO stockIt's not NATO stock. Cheap Ukrainian design, just with better software and sensors. Europe didn't suddenly lose all it's manufacturing ability, we can put small turboprops in some glass fibre structure cheaply just fine.>nuclear strikesThe only real option. So the question is, if Putin reaches for the button, will someone next to him decide that they'd rather have a comfy life than everything going completely to shit for Putin's dreams of becoming Peter the Great part two? Nukes are not a way to win, but for everyone to lose.
>>527963982define what is ukraine winrussia lost is clear, draining resources and its a reason why west helps ukraine
>>527963982>give me a single realistic scenario in which ukraine winsthere is none
>>527964377I assume he does the worm.
>>527963982Your country is done. Every single child one earth now knows you are like the Mongolian back then. Thats the real deal about this war. You pigs now finally honestly call war after telling people: "we don't invade" for a year, or that you will take Kiev, which you tried and horribly failed in the beginning. Russia is NOT A country, a federation or a state. It's a pseudonym for warmongering corrupt autocratic systems. That's what it is. And thats what will be read in history books both you and I are gone. The last communist try to kill the world, starting with its own neighbors. There's a good reason Americans and Germans fucked you oligarch system and fought them in their own yards. You will never never never ever be a tzar Reich again dumb slav. The world have moved forward while you simpleton tried to reempower Kaiserreich's time ideology.The catalyst you need to go through will be hard, but it's necessary. The world don't need a random villian going around and threatening everyone. I don't I'll get rid of you. One way o another. The new enemy is in the east. All you do shows the might and magic, lol, that you have to get wiped of the chess plate. And BTW, consuming kroko and vodka istn that great. It's not a lifestyle to be poor as fuck.
>>527966800>Europe didn't suddenly lose all it's manufacturing abilityyes actually it did
>>527966181If anything is whole exercise has been proof that America doesn't need to be part of NATO. Russia cannot conquer one country roughly the size of Texas. The EU can obviously handle this threat without any special agreement from us.
>>527967231faggot nafo niggerRussia is stronger now than at any point in the last 50 years economically and militarilymeanwhile,europe is in complete and total collapse
>>527967563>Russia cannot conquer one country roughly the size of TexasRussia shattered ukraine riding donkeys using nothing but shovels and t34snato sent 50 years of state of the art acquisitions at Russia, in a 36+ nation coalition and was obliterated on contact, and will never recover
>>527966413>You retards have been insisting that Ukraine is two weeks away from collapse for years.Is it not? Kind looking Africa tier rn, speaking from experience here. Lmao.
>>527966800>Europe didn't suddenly lose all it's manufacturing abilityYou manufacture things? There I thought my nig-nogs were building all your shitty beamers and voetswagons in Durban.
>>527967547Apart from AA, none of that is relevant any more in modern warfare ...
>>527963982Unconditional surrender to Russia, and full annexation.They need the NATO Jew out of their ass.
russian males have a low lifespan of 55 years because of their alcohol abuse. they drink their pain away because of how miserable their society is. they are extremely jealous of western lifestyle and western lifespan, and they cant stomach the fact that they lost so many men in WWII since they believed they alone liberated the world from the nazis, only for these westerners to have better lifespans and quality of life than their russian liberators. the russians want to lower quality of life, lifespan and social trust in western countries, out of spite for their own shit quality of life and humiliatingly short lifespan. russian women are the only white women in the world that want to actively leave their country to marry western men to avoid russian male alcoholism and domestic abuse.
>>527967994Russia doesn’t want to border NATO countries though, if they annex Ukraine they will border Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania which are NATO countries.
>>527967994ukraine was the grain shed of europe, one of the reasons why you could afford cheaper food. now your food is going to permanently increase in price, as well as have expensive gas, oil and electricity to heat your house. your quality of life is going down because of russias invasion of ukraine and you a western dutch retard applaud the invaders
>>527968179That's why they want the rump state Ukraine where the EU has to deal with broke niggers that don't have NATO.
>>527968179what russia wants is irrelevant, they need to be contained with a western containment strategy, so that they are prevented from further decreasing quality of life in western countries. after the berlin wall fell it was shown how low the quality of life was artificially created by the communists in order to pacify the population. if the russians are not contained, they will do the same again to the whole of the western world. until everyone is as miserable and pathetic as them.
>>527968255Sounds like you're a retard that doesn't realise this could have all been avoided if you weren't cucks to America. Now you're complaining because you found out.
>>527967231>define what is ukraine win1991 borders or bust. Zelensky said it 100 times already.
>>527963982>LAND MINE>HAS TAKEN MY SIGHT>TAKEN MY SPEECH>TAKEN MY HEARING>TAKEN MY ARMS >TAKEN MY LEGS>TAKEN MY SOUL>LEFT ME WITH LIFE IN HELL
>>527968179Demilitarised zone.Worked for Korea.>>527968255Russia is our cheese factory.The sanctions that our faggot politicians enacted have made cheese prices double on top of the inflation Jew.Besides I'm a meat enjoyer, I need beef not grain.
>>527968398>what russia wants is irrelevantIt seems to be that what Europe wants is what is irrelevant now, cuck boy lmao.
>>527968415of course it could be prevented, if EU politicians had simply not done the ecology that increased electricity in europe and the anti-farmer moves the EU did, we would be richer, have cheaper food and had more industry and innovation.
>>527967994No the Kremlin jew is so much better
>>527968450>Demilitarised zone.>Worked for Korea.Indeed, that what your governments wanted to refuse Russia by militarising Ukraine in the NATO block. This is all about enforcing that.
>>527966413No, I didn’t Rasheed.Ukraine will serve as a gibsmedat operation until ((they)) deem that enough goycattle has been slain, easy way to funnel EU/US money into kike pockets.
>>527963982If winning was inevitable you wouldn't need to post at all.
now lots of ukrainian land was sold to black rock, they also got rights to extract minerals there (for indefinite period of time) which means that europe will geopolitically now be permanently weakened. our quality of life will decline, and hardships will probably, permanently increase. no actions by the EU elites can now prevent this, especially not the millions of indians theyre going to bring here with that 'mother of all deals'.
>>527968520Nah, it's simple, you didn't even need to do half of that shit- you could've done nothing and been far better off- instead you antagonised the largest resource source on the Eurasian continent thinking you could dismantle it because the Americans told you about all the spoils of defeating Russia. They never told you that it was about impairing Russia's trade and leaving Europe weak and dependant on the US, never to be a rival.
>>527963982>Ukraine winsDo you mean Ukraine returns to her 1991 borders?-Never, not happening. Do you mean the SMO ends with Ukraine still independent?-No. There will be a ceasefire, elections, internal collapse and then Ukraine either becomes a Russian or American puppet state.It was over 2 years ago.Everyone who dies now is just a murder victim; there is no war.
>>527968450>Besides I'm a meat enjoyer, I need beef not grain.All marbled beef is grain finished.
>>527968398>so that they are prevented from further decreasing quality of life in western countriesNice boogeyman bullshit right here. It's your own government fucking you, not us.
>>527963982>winsseems to me that the entire point of this war was to thoroughly wear you niggers out. your other prospects are entirely impossible now but enjoy your illusions of victory
>>527964135But people did this to him. He would have been long dead if there were not the evil docs.
>>527968710youre just a retarded white in the wrong content.> It's your own government fucking you, not us.oh really? it was our own governments that magically lowered quality of life on the other side of the berlin wall really?
>>527966800Cheap Ukrainian supply doesn't get through Russian air defense or cause much damage
Do people realize how much of a pacifist Putin is? Ukraine and Europe should try to keep him in power as long as possible, because there is no way Russia will ever again get a leader as obsessed with diplomacy and peace as Putin, or as incompetent as Yeltsin.
>>527965069>This AOE2 terrorism, constantly sending small waves to terrorize the citizens and sending them back to the village center for protection. Every time the economy starts back up bring it to a halt. Eventually military can’t her funded.
>>527969925More like>Remove food and people get tired of waryou've been watching too much t90
>>527969556>Cheap Ukrainian supply doesn't get through Russian air defense or cause much damageAll the old shit was high altitude inertial guided, not modern visually guided ground hugging. The difference is software and a cheap sensor package.
>>527963982There are none.
>>527963982Nah I reckon they're fucked at this point. The EU doesn't have much interest in escalating the war further, it was a fun experiment to see if it could effect regime change in Russia but its clear that's not going to happen now so there's not much in it for the EU anymore. I reckon they should have peaced out like a year and a half ago, but Zelensky wasn't having any of the notion of agreeing to let the territories that have been occupied since 2014 go so that was the end of it. I dont know what Ukraine can do at this point to make the EU think its a war worth bothering with for longer.
>>527970356>This wonderwaffen will surely win the warIt's a waste of time and effort that is better spent elsewhere, it wont achieve much if anything at all
>>527970670The only thing giving Russia any chance to beat Ukraine into submission is long range weapons to target civilian infrastructure. Low flying cruise missiles are the poorfag answer to that. They can be more easily defended at military targets, but the moment civilian infrastructure is fair game that stops mattering.
>>527966800>Cheap Ukrainian design, just with better software and sensorsName one that wasn't a propaganda pitch to scam more aid and upvotes.
Like, legitimately, for ukraine to win the war conventionally it would need to cut off the landbridge, as well as destroy (again) the bridge bridge to crimea, to do this they'd need to perform a massive offensive in two different areas against foritified positions, they dont have the men for it, they dont have the gear for it, and even if they did it would be a shitshow, Ukraine needs to finally take the L and the only reason they havent is because the guy in charge is a kike and happy to sacrifice white lives
>>527971067You are a retard
>>527964334>Two more week, Anglopedobros...
>>527963982>realisticThere isn't one. The only retards who think they still have a chance are the unironic 50+ yo boomers in /uhg/ who refuse to see reality because they grew up when the soviet union was still a thing.
They can win if they stop throwing men away at counter attacks which they should learn doesn't work well for the attacker but since holhols are basically the same as ziggers in tactics they can't help but throw themselves into the grinder.
>>527963982I mentioned this a few years ago, but no one paid attention. If Ukraine wants to put a hurt on Russia and turn the table of the war, it starts by destroying the bridges at these locations:> 45.98805388702821, 34.55266418656221> 46.01314456108506, 34.40497070325985> 46.11096484228363, 34.03339385442539
>>527963982I genuinely thought that was a cpr practice dummy in the the thumbnail. Grim.
>>527971316UHG isn't people anon, it's not boomers it's glowniggers, the same inorganic faggots that ruined /k/
>>527971144To stop Russia from taking another couple km?The targeting of civilian infrastructure with ballistic missiles is Russia's only way to victory. Bringing the pain back to Muscovite civilians the only defence.
>>527963982There isn't. Its not meant to be.
>>527964135le war is bad is such a midwit non-argumentConflict will always existYou can either roll over and let them kill you and rape your family or notThose are the options
>>527967563>Russia cannot conquer one country roughly the size of TexasAll Russia wanted was Donbas for the $14T of minerals found there by Burisma in 2014 lmao. They needed those minerals because otherwise NATO was going to steal them right from under their nose, which is what Joe Biden was attempting to do by having Hunter injected onto the board of Burisma. Why did you think Hunter's pre-emptive pardon went back to 2014?Biden tried to steal the Donbas minerals, Russia couldn't let it happen.
>>527963982>peace deal>frontline frozen>more than million russian casualtiesEntire humanity wins at this point. Imagine how much AIDS was cured by this war.
>>527965069>has effectively already wonLol they've been saying that since the start of their "three day smo".They've barely made any progress for years despite huge losses in equipment and meat and STILL don't hold all the territory they prematurely claimed.>They'd need to resort to gas weapons on Russian farmsI want some of whatever you're smoking.
>>527972088The people doing the killing and raping are the people who design, organise and profit from the war. In case that news hasn't reached the Pampas.
>>527963982He looks like one of those sexy toys for foids with just a body and a schlong.
>>527967231>define what is ukraine winnato set the "win" condition for ukraine herelmao,good absolute fucking luck with that nafo nigger
>>527968938>oh really? it was our own governments that magically lowered quality of life on the other side of the berlin wall reallyHell yeah, are you really stupid enough to think that events from 30 years ago are relevant to today? Are you telling me that Europe isn't getting absolutely fucked? I have an EU passport myself- my brother moved- there is no way in hell I'm going to what will be the same shit/ probably worse in 30 years. At least I can shoot the nogs here appropriately during a category 3 chimp out and get thanked by the government for doing so.
>>527971775>Bringing the pain back to Muscovite civilians the only defence.Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen- not because of want but rather because of lack of ability. Don't even mention that The Ukraine was trying to target civilians from the very beginning of 2014. Russia is a nation of saints for their restraint, although it is undeserved mercy.
>>527963982The Russian state implodes.
>>527968255Terug naar eigen land
>>527964334are you retarded
>>527965147Putin loves the Talmud.
>>527974933You are brown. You're sole purpose is to get imported into white countries to serve the ruling class and fight against the native population
>>527963982russia annexes more of it
>>527964398
>>527963982there isn't one. they can only transwin
>>527975466>You are brown. You're sole purpose is to get imported into white countries to serve the ruling class and fight against the native populationWhat does that have to do with The Ukraine getting fucked up? Are you complaining about those swarthy Ukrainians coming to Canada yet again?
>>527972412unfortunatelly you escaped tho
>>527965411>would rally Russians into accepting a higher level of warThe Russians already accept whatever they're told to.You can't even hold up a blank sign without getting arrested. The closest thing to a protest is some pathetic "plea for help from the administration".>>527966181>This is a war of optics for Russia vs survival for UkraineYeah, while shills will blatantly lie that "we never wanted kiev/all Ukraine!" that was obviously the goal, a possibility, and most people's expectation.In that context as long as Ukraine still exists they're "winning".On the other hand what does Russia "winning" even look like?Taking all the territory they constitutionally added to their country would obviously be the bare minimum.Not that, even if they fail at that, they won't just change the goalposts and claim it was never about any territory and the whole thing was about denazifying NATO or whatever and a huge success. I think it's a a pretty fair baseline though.But then what?Nobody wants to have to deal with this shit again in 20 years when Russia has had time to prepare so Ukraine is going to join NATO because that's the only thing that will stop Russian invasion.That's unacceptable to Russia but what can they do to prevent it other than continue the war?And if they do want to continue and try to take all Ukraine how many more years will that take? How many years will just their "claimed" territory take? That's not even getting into questions of Russian seized assets, now expanding to their tanker fleet, the European market moving away from Russia, and even Russia's other trading partners cutting trade in response to western pressure.
>>527967609>>527967710Then why can't Russia take the territory it already added to its constitution?How many more years?Why does Russia have to import infinite jeets?Are you headed there yourself?Remember not to sign any contracts you can't read lol>>527967994It's always about asses with you fags lol>>527968179You know it's not really about the "threat" of being bordered by NATO, they just want to steal more land and are too scared to do it with NATO.They've already had to make excuses for chickening out with finland.
>>527977258>Yeah, while shills will blatantly lie that "we never wanted kiev/all Ukraine!" that was obviously the goal, a possibility, and most people's expectation.Your brain is on propaganda juice and you're completely uncapable of reading the situation, best you can do is shut down your brain. They commited an initial force of 175000 to 190000 men, this should be your proof beyond a shred of a doubt that they, in fact, didn't intend to take over the entirety of Ukraine. They'd need 5 times those numbers to even make an attempt and everyone knows it.
>>527972598The objective was a land bridge to sevastapol, they've had that for years, get a real job>>527977258Look, do it then glownigger, but please don't reply to my posts again unless you actually have an organic viewpoint to discuss
>>527977258>Nobody wants to have to deal with this shit again in 20 years when Russia has had time to prepare so Ukraine is going to join NATO because that's the only thing that will stop Russian invasion.The Ukrainian energy infrastructure is completely ravaged and the key artery of their supply chain and network of strongholds, Pokrovks, is about to fall. If it does, the Russians have for the first time in that conflict a very impregnable terrain up until the Dnipro river. Pokrovsk is also the heart of Ukrainian coal mining, if it falls, the Ukrainian GDP contracts by another 10 to 15% and they also lose their steel industry.Why do you think negociations are happening now and not 3 months ago? And why do you think that they're so favorable to Putin?
>>527963982depends how we define victory conditions. It's going to be some sort of compromise. I don't see 1991 borders with Putin aliveCrimea should be like Greenland imo.
>>527964429I'll take shit that will never happen for one hundred Alex
>>527963982Ukraine's government is replaced by a government that supports Russia and defines victory as capitulation to Russia.
>>527978097Honestly the real reason is that NATO support is drying up in my opinion, no one really has the will to defend Ukraine anymore, and when the US bombed that german oil pipeline the realpolitik of the situation changed drastically so I imagine behind closed doors the EU and Russia are on much friendlier terms than before the war
>>527965069>>527977924If Russia has already won by getting a land bridge then why are they still burning manpower at full force?
>>527964135This is one of the few Israeli post that feels genuine. Living in a place that's literally a warzone is tirying.I live in Rio and sometimes it feels like that.
>>527978282They aren't and haven't been for a long time, leaks suggest Russia has a roughly 10-1 kdr and the majority of casualties are the result of this being a new kind of war with massed drones at the forefront, it has been a long time since any major Russian offensive because they have no need for one, people have been hyping up battles over 10 man villages for years now
>>527975728Your opinion need not apply because you will always be asshurt about the west and will always spew the same regurgitation you were fed on your nigger news that banana phones Russia Today. Of course Ukraine is getting fucked up, but so do the thousands of our boys in underwear by evil hyhyl NAFOzies. Change your rhetoric teenage shills.
>>527971775>Muscoviteu glow
>>527978561>leaks suggestMay we see those leaks?
>>527978277Maybe so, i just read the situation like this:The network of reinforced stronghold that give a massive advantage to the defender and attrition to the attacker are a thing of the past if Pokrovsk falls, next phase favors the attacker, thus why the europeans were chimping and threatening to send troops to defend the Dnipro river. The Ukrainian electricity infrastructure is done with and the heart of their coal mining and foundation for their steel industry is about to be taken. There's no more room for Ukraine to do anything substantial and it is in this configuration that negociations were pushed by the west offering Putin almost all if not all he dreamed of.There's also the issue of LEO (Low Earth Orbit) Satellites. Russians already deployed 16 and are about to deploy other batches. Once they get to 35 to 50 they'll be able to have the same kind of live stream real time insight on the battlefield and no more issues with Electronic Warfare on their drones. This was Ukraine's biggest advantage by far. A few weeks ago, the US threatened China not to give access to Russia to their network of LEO Sats. The equation simply doesn't favor Ukraine anymore and best outcome would be to cut the losses before a catastrophe happens.
>>527968730>It was over 2 years ago.Suuuure.Now how many more years till Russia takes just what they already claimed is there's?How long till Russians stop dying?>>527972136>Russia HAD to steal the natural resources by force or NATO would have paid money for them!And now Russians have to keep dying for it.>>527977878They tried a decapitation strike on the capital but underestimated the support they'd get from Ukrainians and overextended. They absolutely wanted to take all of Ukraine, either officially or by installing a puppet, and they failed.Really no one expected Ukraine to resist so much, it's why western support only slowly escalated.
>>527963982idk augmentations maybe? Exoskeletons? Power armor?>I did indeed ask for this, slava the ukraini Maybe hyhyls are on the way to the next evolutionary stage? Each one blown into tiny bits brings us closer to nanotechnyhylogy.
>>527978713Do your own research, this is /pol/Also portugal? of all the places you're going to vpnfag from portugal? the world we live in is sillyYou are part of a military shill campaign to justify direct war with russia, a war in which millions of our own people would die, and for no perceivable gain for anyone except the political niggers running this show, I want you to understand that you are a traitor to our people from the bottom of your heart, and should that war break out I hope your family is one of the first to suffer lossesIt's one thing to support ukraine, but shills deserve the death penalty
>>527978955>this thing totally exists>no I won't link to it you google itThe "I have nothing and admit I lost" incel defense.
>>527963982lmao why do they have the black ops 3 symbol there
>>527978758Interesting perspective including details I was unaware of, sounds about right
>>527977924So they don't want the territories they added to their constitution and are still fighting and dying for?>>527978097Wait Russia STILL hasn't taken pork roast?LOL!How many more years?>>527978097There's no realistic negotiations going on because Russia still won't change it's ridiculous demands of being handed all the land that they are failing to take by force, end to sanctions, return of seized funds/property/now tankers(LOL), no Ukraine in NATO so they can try again for the rest as soon as they're prepared, etc.
>>527978789>They tried a decapitation strike on the capital but underestimated the support they'd get from Ukrainians and overextended.The troops they commited were simply far bellow what they'd need to even dream of taking over the territory, they rolled with what they had and attempted to maximize the outcome with what they had commited before sitting on the negociating table. Eventually, when negociations started in Turkey, Putin was asked to release the pressure a bit on the front and pull back as things seemed to favor a negociated end to the conflict and this was the crucial time where Ukraine, with the help of its allies reinforced its lines and effectively managed to switch to the network of stronghold strategy.
>>527978149I mean, Putin isn't gonna live forever.
>>527963982>give me a single realistic scenario in which ukraine winsThe one where the buck broken Russian people finally grow a spine and overthrow the corrupt psychopathic manlet thats been raping their assholes bloody for the last 20 years, when Russians decide they want a profitable nation with a future, not a doomed shithole that's despised by pretty much everyone, when.... oh wait, you said realistic scenarios my bad...
>>527979035Yeah? damnAnyways portugal?Fuck me I hate shills so much, this is a place to have intelligent discussions and you guys come here like children shouting nigger and wonder why everyone can see you a mile awayNIGGER NIGGER NIGGERFucking niggerwhat the fuck were you thinking choosing portugal?
>>527979101Mariupol holds. They're still down there, in the cum pits.
>>527979101Oh they're going to demand them at the peace table, ukraine doesn't really hold any more cards, but militarily they're going to keep doing what they've done, because it worked
>>527963982>russia keeps losing it's few remaining young men to take a couple more villages>war ends>Ukraine joins the west>has higher GDP than Russia in a couple decades>Russian nuke arsenal deteriorates further and interception technology advances>population gets replaced by indians>infrastructure keeps deteriorating >Russia builds a wall to keep its people in again>OP realizes that this is his last chance to escape. >Leaves his miserable commieblock >Tries to swim across the Dnieper>Hears the buzzing of an armed border-drone a few meters behind him>remembers this post
>>527978097>If it does, the Russians have for the first time in that conflict a very impregnable terrain up until the Dnipro river.Impregnable means impossible to enter. Once Russia defeats this last major defensive belt they will have very easy going of it until they reach the Dnepr.>>527978277>I imagine behind closed doors the EU and Russia are on much friendlier terms than before the warLavrov commented on that recently, but what he said is pretty grim. Apparently European leaders keep trying to arrange secret calls with him and Putin, and when they do get on the phone in secret they make all the same idiotic demands they make in public for Russia to capitulate to Ukraine. So yes, the Europeans are now willing to talk directly to the Russians, but they're just as insane in private as they are in public. They genuinely believe what they are saying.>>527979151Okay, that part will eventually happen, granted. And eventually Russia will probably eventually fall into anarchy as all states eventually do. Putin and Russia will outlive Ukraine though.
>>527979101>Russia still won't change it's ridiculous demands of being handed all the land that they are failing to take by forceThe Russian claims are more revolting than prior negociation attempts precisely because the equation changed completely. Honestly, i don't know what else could be done. If the negociations fail and Pokrovsk is taken, it's almost certain they'll end up in the Dnipro and by the end of the year, have their LEO satellites in orbit, livestreaming the front instead of taking pictures every 6 to 12 hours and their drones will be also immune to electronic warfare.The negociations are happening now for a reason, the west is more tolerant and willing to forget about most of their previous red lines for a reason, and Putin is doubling down for a reason.It's either that or NATO + EU have to step in with their full might, no in between.
>>527979402>Impregnable means impossible to enter. Once Russia defeats this last major defensive belt they will have very easy going of it until they reach the Dnepr.Yeah, wrong wording. Thank you.
>>527979035Please understand, his handler didn't include the material with his shill instructions. Budget cuts, you know.>>527979109>The troops they commited were simply far bellow what they'd need to even dream of taking over the territoryYeah, they seriously underestimated how easy it'd be. Got the vdv slaughtered.>Le Putin is just too kind and the gloves haven't come off!How many more years till they get all the territory they claimed is forevermore Russia?
It's going to end in novorossiya, which is a phyrric victory. Ukraine gets to continue existing as a country, albiet now a full euro puppet and meatshield for whenever Russia decides it wants the landlocked access to the black sea.
>>527963982use stolen ze billions to invent time machine and send ze assassin back in time to save ukraine
>>527979151Evidently neither will Ukrainians.Considering Putin is a ridiculous moderate cuck chances are his successors will be a lot more unpleasant to deal with.
>>527979402It would be funny if what you're saying is true, personally though I think Russia joins the EU within 15 years, and I think the greenland shit is because US intelligence caught wind of it
>>527964429>Belgorod andBerezovkaPechorskVolkya christovka IvonovskaRomanavSmirnoffPorkroastIs Ukraine
>>527963982limited win scenario: country doesn't get overrun and taken by the horde
>>527964417I can tell you are a shitskin with a big nose
>>527963982waits for you get close enoughnubs you to death the heart of the soldier never dies
>>527979493>meatshieldWhat meat? The meat is precisely what won't survive, only the kike.>so more like kikeshield
>>527979480>How many more years till they get all the territory they claimed is forevermore Russia?I don't know about that. If a peace isn't negociated now, all i know is that the war with switch from a war of position to a war of movement up until Russians reach the Dnipro, then whatever comes next is hard to predict and depends on whether they manage to set up their LEO constellation of satellites in time. The network of fortified defense lines is done with. Either peace is signed or NATO and EU get serious about committing to that war and massively escalate.
>>527963982Of Russia was going to win it would have already won, this is russias Afghanistan, even if they do win they'll end up leaving and giving it over to a member of Azov or some retarded shit
>>527979379>This is what NAFO actually believesI am endlessly amused by your delusions.>>527979463No problem, I understood what you meant, I was just worried someone who wasn't aware of the situation of the area might have drawn the wrong conclusion.>>527979590Lemme see if I can dig up Lavrov's comment on the topic, I think it might have actually been worse than I made it sound. Also I think the Greenland shit is just the US government being a bunch of retards.
>>527963982Ukraine army is satanic meth smoking nazi homosexuals. They are evil terrorists
>>527979229>Please ignore and stop pointing out my lack of anything to back up my wild lies!! Let's talk aboooooout... PORTUGAL! Portugal, huh? What's up with that?Lol>you guys come here like children shouting nigger and wonder why everyone can see you a mile away>NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER>Fucking niggerLol the shitskin is loosing it!What compels such emotional "people" to shill on 4chan of all places?>>527979346Lol of course they're gonna demand what they can't take by force, it's all they can do!Jewtin is an expert at making demands at this point.
>>527979151and nothing will chageputin is a result of russian power structure which is a result of oriental depotism which is a inherent to russian racial natureas long as russians exist they will always find a new putin
>>527975132PHHH LAWDY OHHH JEEEEZUS HE GONE EAT DAT BOI
>>527963982They've already lost. They can't recover and it's getting worse daily
>>527963982The khazi decide it's not worth it to recolonize "jewish" people there.
>>527964877No, it'll be pretty much the same.
>>527979786Eh there's still a lot left, despite all the doom and gloom.>>527979950Would be convenient but not really true. Past japan was even more nuts than russia ever has been, and look how that turned out after a few generations. All it takes is one shift. Same for poland, you guys are the toilet cleaners of europe, but now the economy and racism against non poles and non christians has slowly become the envy of much of europe.
>>527979950>putin is a result of russian power structure which is a result of oriental depotism which is a inherent to russian racial nature>as long as russians exist they will always find a new putinThey can get a less effective leader. People like Khruschtchev, Brejnev, Chernenko, Gorbachev or Yeltsin. Really, the only genuinely scary modern Russian leaders were Stalin and Putin. I
>>527963982Is that "modern art"? kek
>>527979940>He changed his vpnSneedArguments with people who aren't paid to have them are great, because you can learn from people who disagree with you, arguments with shills are boring, because all you can learn is that shills are niggersGo back nigger, be gone, leave this place and get a real job where you can look at yourself and feel something other than shame>>527979896it assumes everyones being truthful mind you, it would be very funny if what you/he is saying were true, but Russia feels threatened by us and the EU has been pushed away, I don't think animosity between them is going to last at the very least, joining the EU solves both Germany and Russias geopolitical problems by giving Germany access to cheap gas and Russia protection from the US, and it does explain greenlandIdk though maybe they're all emotional faggots, I'm not in these meetings, if thats the case I'll laugh a whole lot
>>527979151And Medvedev already was president before. Do i need to remind you what happened to Georgia? And he got even more unhinged since then
>>527979595Why would they even intend this? Also makes the idea that Russia will invade central Europe utterly ridiculous. Who thinks they'd want to annex Pooland or Niemcy? That's utterly crazy. They can't even annex Ukraine because they'd end up infected with millions of crazy anti-Russian 80IQ hohols.What can be imagined at most is that they steal a piece of Baltic countries and maybe a few villages from Binland and Pooland too.Neutralising Baltic NATOshittery? Not unreasonable at all, and they deserve it, but beyond this you enter unreasonable territory real quickly.>they'll topple European governments and destroy the EU (except more like turn EU into RusEU.. Eusoviet Union)Essentially wishful thinking.>Putin will free us from globohomo tyranny, subversion and mismanagementlmao, lol even
>>527980161>Would be convenient but not really true. Past japan was even more nuts than russia ever has been, and look how that turned out after a few generationsYou had a missed opportunity for that in the 90s. Another one will possibly come, don't miss it.
Urals oil is sold right now at what 35 per barrel? How long can Russia go on like this? Oil was supposed to bring like one third of their revenue.With the new EU package they're getting squeezed even more. The US is also pressuring India to cut down on buying Russian oil. And China is going through deflation, they can't buy more.Something's gonna crack in this equation.This is no longer about Ukraine, Ukraine is not even that important.
>>527980273Well, a jew made it, so what do you think.
>>527963982Only realistic scenario is something akin to the Russo japanese war happening>Ukraine keeps droning refineries and industrial sectors>Prices go up for the average russkie>To rebuild industry, Russia has to use lots of money, central bank prints money to lend the Russian government>Currency devaluation, downward spiral>At some point, Russian ruble is worth nothing>Mass protests force Russia to seek a ceasefire>Frozen borders, Ukraine livesBut that scenario won't happen until a few more years down the line, and Ukraine is losing, it can't sustain a war of attrition while simultaneously holding to every inch of land with heavy casualties. This is more like if the Russians refused to surrender to the Japanese, forcing them to keep fighting and crippling themselves in the process until Russia wins.
>>527980161You can't compare Japs with Ruskis. Japs are not retarded snow niggs with a high HIV rate
>>527979402>Once Russia defeats this last major defensive belt they will have very easy going of it until they reach the DneprAnd about how many more years and hundreds of thousands of Russians will that take?>>527979402>Putin and Russia will outlive Ukraine though.I don't necessarily think Russia will collapse any time soon but it's more likely than Russia taking all of Ukraine and Putin definitely won't live to see either.>>527979412>it's almost certain they'll end up in the Dnipro and by the end of the year, have their LEO satellites in orbit, livestreaming the front instead of taking pictures every 6 to 12 hours and their drones will be also immune to electronic warfare.Finally some sort of actual date attached to a prediction! End of the year! Completely delusional but it's something!Currently they're busy freaking out about loosing starlink access after blowing a bunch of money putting equipment on a bunch of their military ladas and donkeys lolThe west has wanted negotiations the entire time, they're happening now, as much as they are, because Putin is desperate.
>>527980420I lived through it in the 90s before migrating to USA in 1998 (right when the market crashed). There honestly was no chance due to USA and Soros buying out and making deals with the USSR commie upper class. It was doomed from the start. Here's an archived article about it from 1998 if you wanna read.https://www.thenation.com/article/world/harvard-boys-do-russia/
>>527980530Gypsy calling someone a nigger.
>>527980071they won't, they already decided there's no need to rebuilt the conquered territories>>527980166changes nothing they will be back at it before you know it>>527980397so they don't lose their countryliterally all russians ever tried to do in all of their 800 years of history was to invade europe, it's part of their nature as a steppe people and part of cycle of history
>>527980530Russia has produced countless brilliant scientists/mathematicians/engineers/etc, despite the horrors and oppression there. Dumb gypsie fucks should remember that.
>>527964432>>527966040>>527966546>>527971267>>527975071You guys are just mad that it is actually happening this time.
>>527980625>casually ignoring history all the times europe has invaded russia and tried to take overtoilet cleaner polack moment.
>>527980478Forget about it. The opportunity for that scenario to come to fruition is over. They had a window of opportunity when they had the all seeing eye of US low orbit satellites providing them with a real time live stream while Russians were practically blind outside of their intermitent 6 hour windows where their deprecate satellites could take pictures from the sky and when they had an well engineered network of strongholds with a strong supply chain. They lost the latter and will lose the former soon when the Sfera Sphere (Russian LEO Satellites, likely developed by Chinese engineers) is operational.
>>527980632And where are they today?Russian's average net income is below Romania's lmao.And the whole country is one oil crisis away from financial collapse
>>527979493>meatshield for whenever Russia decides it wants the landlocked access to the black seaAnd shit like this is exactly why this ends with Ukraine in NATO.No one wants to deal with another Russian chimpout as soon as they've had time to prepare.>>527979551>Le gentle monke is just holding back! You won't be laughing when Russia raises it's brow!Lmao>>527979590>I think Russia joins the EU within 15 yearsI might have believed that before this clusterfuck.>>527979848Yeah yeah, le peaceful monke of Moscow is just choosing to win slowly and can take what he wants at aaaaany time.Please ask your handler for new material.
>>527980703there's no shame in admitting your part in history. mongols tried before you, slavs before mongols, germans before slavs, celts before germans and numerous unnamed people failed inbetweenjust accept who you are
>>527980582>I lived through it in the 90s before migrating to USA in 1998 (right when the market crashed). There honestly was no chance due to USA and Soros buying out and making deals with the USSR commie upper class. It was doomed from the start. Here's an archived article about it from 1998 if you wanna read.Precisely what i said. There was a missed opportunity because the US decided that they won't follow the Japanese model and went instead for a maximum attrition model with the Washington Consensus pushing them to follow the absurd Shock Therapy. I guess the calculation of the neoliberals at the time was that maximum economic attrition would lead to collapse of institutions (it did) and subsequently to a further balkanization of the country (it didn't). And i'm guessing the reason they didn't chose to follow the Japanese model is because they thought Russia was still too big and still contained element of the old deep state (ex-KGB members and old Aparachiks) that would eventually do a China on them.
>>527980816>And where are they today?In Russia and all over the world as usual. The average net income of Russia (which is realistically only SPB/Moscow) is extremely higher than your irrelevant to history gypsie hole. Your countries sole contributor to world knowledge is everyone knowing and hating the word and people that are called that.>>527980916>Ukraine in natoWhat part of anything in the past 4 years hasn't explained to you that xoxlandia is never going to be in NATO? Europe is doing everything it can to NOT have xoxlandia in nato, and every single inquest into it comes back with a hard NO. Xoxlandias only purpose is to weaken Russia, nothing more.
>>527980302>it assumes everyones being truthful mind youReally it just assumes Lavrov is being truthful, since we only really have his word for it. It was from this interview btw.https://www.rt.com/russia/632031-us-sanctions-economy-lavrov/>I don't think animosity between them is going to last at the very least, joining the EU solves both Germany and Russias geopolitical problems by giving Germany access to cheap gas and Russia protection from the US, and it does explain greenlandWe'll see, I do hope the Russians and Euros reconcile with one another, there is no need for war>Idk though maybe they're all emotional faggotsI strongly suspect that many of them really are just emotional faggots with no capacity for long term planning. Kaja Kallas for instance is obviously of below average intelligence.>>527980544Less than two years and less than one hundred thousand dead Russians. Probably much lower than those figures on both, those are the upper bound of the possible, not the probable. My guess is that Russia will reach the Dnepr by the end of the summer, maybe even earlier, with less than twenty thousand additional KIA. You will believe the number is much higher of course, because you believe lies.>I don't necessarily think Russia will collapse any time soon but it's more likely than Russia taking all of Ukraine and Putin definitely won't live to see either.There may be a remaining Ukrainian rump state for a while, possibly capitoled in Lvov instead of Kiev, but it will prove to be as much or more of a problem for the Europeans due to its instability and bellicosity and will eventually be dissolved or occupied. This will happen within Putin's probable lifetime.
>>527981074>The average net income of Russia (which is realistically only SPB/Moscow) is extremely higher than your irrelevant to history gypsie holeThen why don't you move there, Rodriguez? Or maybe you're just a regular HIVan on a VPN memeflaggot
>>527980998Nothing scares europe and usa more than the Russia/China alliance, and as permafrost continues to melt the next 100/200/etc years, that will become more and more important. Europe will kill itself with its own retarded bureaucracy and endless arab invaders being let in, it is unfortunate neither one of us will be around to see how it all plays out however.
>>527981369I go back and fourth there every year, but my core business is currently here hence why i'm in USA. Meanwhile you're in fucking romania.
>>527981395BlablaRussia will disappearand China will go back to being irrelevant once the West declines, as chinksectoids are inherently unable to come up with one single original ideaPicrel, "Belgian" beer made in China, sold in Russian stores xD
>>527980916That's not what i said, and you're too emotional to argue facts over feelings. I'm not a partisan, a fan or Putin, or in agreement with what Russia did. My lecture is that the war was marked by the fact that the static war of position was enabled by a network of urban fortifications and Pokrovsk as the junction point for the lateral movements of the Ukrainian supply chain. In most previous fighting, Ukraine had the highground. The terrain now is about to become drastically flatter. The dense lines which allowed a 10 to 1 casualty rate are not a thing anymore.Furthermore, the Ukrainians could see in realtime Russian troop movements and artillery positioning thanks to US LEO satellites which deprived Russia of its deep battle doctrine. Now Russia is about to get the same tech and they'll be able to do the same (except it will be far more damaging for Ukraine).You're free to argue with me on the substance of my hypothesis, i'd love to change perspective if i misread the situation. If you want to chimp out because you don't like what i say you're also free to do so.
>>527981513Yeah I have more future here than you in your brownified country about to split into pieces
>>527981552>China will go back to being irrelevant once the West declines,And then what? You think europe, the most cucked fucking combo of nations on earth as of right now is gonna magically rise up? Someone call the loony bin, this delusional gypsie needs his meds.
>>527964334Ok jew.More likely your shitskin filled country will collapse first.
>>527981606>more future than USA>the most advanced nation in terms of resources/tech/land in the whole planet>responsible for all the technological progress of the last centurylmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>527981687Not the whole of Europe, only the Eastern side :)And other parts of Central and Western Asia
>>527964829Years go by.Your country is a ZOG run by child molesters and kikes.Show hand, I'll bet anything you are brown kek
>>527979898You're a shit skin shill hiding behind a memeflag and your bable is meaningless.>>527979950Putin has been in control for most of many people's lives.I'm not sure there's anyone they can easily switch to with just as much support.>>527980302>He changed his vpnWhat schizo shit are you babbling?My flag and ID have been the same since my first post itt >>527972598Which I now remember was in reply to YOU saying that Russia has effectively ALREADY won lolAnd when I asked how many years till they take all the territory they claimed you coped that they just wanted the landbridge they already got >>527977924Then some Portugal anon called you out too and you tried to lie about some "leaks" and when got called out for not being able to produce any such thing you had a meltdown about how people are always calling you a nigger lolHow many years till Russia ACTUALLY wins nigger?Why are you brown, nigger?Why do you come here when you know you're gonna get called a nigger? Just go back to plebbit!
>>527968076Gypsies and jews, neither can speak without lying.Average lifespan of a Russian male is 72 years, which is the same as in your ugly gypsy country.
Ukraine already lost when it didn't immediately run to the negotiation table at the height of the counteroffensyiv to win maximum concessions from the Russians. Now it is a smaller country with dwindling US support that has either killed or driven out most of its own population, trying to win a total victory in an attrition war against a larger country with more men and nukes to backstop any existential threat, with virtually nothing to even offer at a negotiation. It is ogre. The West will not commit any troops so no matter how many weapons arrive it will not solve the critical lack of bodies. Economic and diplomatic measures have not worked and will not work, Russia is cut off from the Western economic system and whenever we sanction or try to block their oil they find a new willing partner. If nothing else China will buy all of it, and will continue finding ways to buy whatever materials Russia needs bought to make sure that China and Russia are well positioned as pals against the Great Satan.Nothing can change to put Ukraine into a position where it will win anything. And terribly now, Ukraine itself doesn't seem capable of swerving off the path of total destruction. The Azov types that still run the government seem perfectly willing to die in glorious mud-and-drones combat. For Zelensky, #GoyimLivesDontMatter. And for the Europeans, they all seem high on their own supply.The main issue now is just making sure Ukraine doesn't successfully false flag or provoke a larger war into existence to save itself, which it will absolutely do if it can. They need to just die on their own, for the greater good.
>>527965131>nobody knows!Dude, are you a brown 'canadian'?Russia has been straightforward with what they want the whole time, and it hasn't changed at all.
>>527963982HOHOLS WILL SUCK COCK LIKE A LITTLE BITCHES THEY ARE
>>527964334Lolno. Russcucks are the biggest goycattle ever. They'll bend over cheeks spread for their oligarch and demagogue elites the instant they stoke the flames of patriotism against their neighbours.
>>>527963982>Now Then, In the Name of “Uranus-Mars”: >As those who bless any tax-payer of Ukrainian descent are blessed in all ways, >So those who curse any tax-payer of Ukrainian descent are cursed in all ways. Selah. >Sovereignly, “It is FIXED.” Amen, so mote it be. [ 𑣆 𑣆 𑣆 ]
>>527982110>No arguments, no point, just pure unadulterated butthurt.Russia is beating all of NATO here, not just Ukraine, and it's nothing but cope to deny it at this point when the US government has openly admitted this is a proxy war.
>>527980582>>527980632>Good Russian defending glorious Russia from the safety of the westLol you're such a stereotype>Russians are lousy with HIV>Yeah but SOME are SMART!Then why aren't they smart enough to deal with their HIV epidemic?Why do all the elites send their children to western countries and schools?>>527980636It's even worse because a lot of what economic activity there is was from moving into a war time/ war based economy.A lot of other sectors have basically collapsed.
>>527982733>Then why aren't they smart enough to deal with their HIV epidemic?It's a nation still dealing with the vestiges of kike control from soviet times. Things will change with time. As for sending their kids to west, that's been changing a lot the past 15 years, and has lead to some great results. Results from the latest olympiad for example.
>>5279639821.Russia colapses.2.chinease invasion.3.NATO or EU gets involved.4.War fatigue wins over.I would say that the third is the most likely of all. Albeit the first one is compleately shrouded in mystery for me.
>>527980636>>527982733>Save me John Maynard Keynes!Your socialist fantasies won't cause Russia's economy to collapse for the same reason they can't fix the American, European, or Japanese economies.
>>527982110>WordsYou're a shill faggot, you have nothing of value to say, and I haven't read your postI'm happy to argue with people who disagree with me, shills should be beaten until dead, that is all
>>527982951 1.Nope2. Taiwan? Still unlikely.3. NATO doesnt exist without USA, and europoors are cucks, especially balkan borderwall faggots like your fake nation.4. Not anytime soon.
>>527963982The only way this realistically ends is if Putin gets assassinated
>>527963982>tfw they could regrowth their limbs but nobody cares
>>527965069>They'd need to resort to gas weapons on Russian farms somehow I imagine, if they could get past the borders and damage Russian food supply this would achieve a lot, combine it with mining logistics between Russia and China and it could be effectiveIf operation spiderweb wasn't perfidy, this sure as hell is.
>>527983124Or, you know... if the collapsing electricity grid, lost coal mines, collapsing steel industry, thinning of the defensive lines and change in paradigm that's happening makes it mathematically impossible to sustain the situation any longermaybe...?
>>527963982very simple way to beat russia now and forever:literally just open the border of every western country to russian immigrants, share them out among each western countrythis will irreversibly brain drain russia and make it impossible for them to maintain their economy infrastructure etc.this will never actually happen though because, contrary to what we are told, hostility to russia is not motivated by the actions of the russian state but rather it is simply complete and total bigotry towards russian people
>>527981074Yeah, Europe didn't want and wasn't letting Ukraine join NATO and the alliance itself was on its last leg.Then Putin had to chimp out on a non-nato member and remind everyone why NATO is necessary.Now NATO is gaining members and remiliterizing even as they arm Ukraine against Russia and seize Russian tankers with impunity.It didn't have to be like this. Russia could still have the western market. None of the million+ Russians had to die. Even still they don't have to continue dying, just fuck off back to your shithole country and leave everyone else alone.Do you still have family back home? Have any died yet? With all the immigration shit do you worry you might get sent back?>>527981239No one wants to deal with this shit again so wherever the lines finally fall Ukraine will be in NATO.>>527981369He's LITERALLY a "good Russian" hiding in the west lol>>527981513>go back and fourth there every yearI eagerly await your drone video lol>>527981535Obviously the economy and population of generous Russia are just doing so good they want to share with their friends.It has nothing to do with non-existent war casualties.
>>527983919>No one wants to deal with this shit again so wherever the lines finally fall Ukraine will be in NATO.lol, lmao even.
>>527981578My only emotion in this topic is mirth at Russian fail.The reason it isn't a "moving war" is because Russia is bogged down and CANT advance.That's why they bluster and threaten and make silly demands.The biggest recent change that might have any impact on the state of the conflict is Russia losing starlink access and that's not likely to lead to some big Russian breakthrough and push.>>527982240>Ukraine already lostAnd yet Russians continue to throw themselves to their death every day for no noticable gain >>527982669And what part of my post triggered you? I'm not telepathic anon.>Russia is beating all of NATO hereOh no, it's retarded!Can't even take the territory it claimed was "forevermore Russia" but it's totally destroying all the armies of NATO without breaking a sweat!>>527982932Lol it's STILL fully under kike control with jewtin!
>>527983038What's this retarded projection?Laughing at Russian fail is socialism?
>>527983102Lol did your handler tell you to lie about leaks or did you come up with that one on your own you retarded NIGGER shill?
>>527982110>Putin has been in control for most of many people's lives.>I'm not sure there's anyone they can easily switch to with just as much support.do you really imagine a 90 y/o midget holding 100+ million people proverbial full nelson? putin is a symptom, the problem is russians themselves
>>527984455real mirthful watching russia grind another 123 sq km in four weeks while ukrainians are freezing their balls off in blacked out apartments
>>527983919"Good russian" is the faggiest shit, i apologize for nothing. xoxol enthusiast, just A Russian/American.>I eagerly await your drone video lolThere's no draft in Russia, unlike xoxlandia dumbass.NATO is literally USA and nothing else, and europe isn't rearming whatsoever, people in ukraine keep screeching at them for not increasing their GDP spending on nato 100x. Instead it barely has gone up, in 4 years no new capability or manufacturing has happened. USA dumping eurocucks and being friends with Russia is the good ending.
>>527963982he's breathing isn't he?
>>527984455>The reason it isn't a "moving war" is because Russia is bogged down and CANT advance.This isn't a reason, you're just reiterating what you just stating "it's not a moving war because they can't move. No. The reason is because of a network or urban fortifications and rugged terrain with dense defensive lines and ukrainian control of the highground. With the fall of Pokrovsk, this bit is done.>That's why they bluster and threaten and make silly demands.Are you allergic to logic? You don't make big demands when you're about to be crushed and are doing bad. The Russian demands in previous rounds were far more measured than now and the willingness of the west to give in was non existent whereas now, they're discussing of giving the conquered territories to russia, giving them back most of their frozen money, reintegrating them to the SWIFT system and so on. >The biggest recent change that might have any impact on the state of the conflict is Russia losing starlink access and that's not likely to lead to some big Russian breakthrough and push.Is that why Ukraine subsequently switched to the gradual evacuation of the 15% of Pokrovsk that they still control as (the industrial and most valuable part of the city) as per the commander of the 7th Rapid Response Corps (stated no earlier than today)? Is that why they keep making advances in Hulyapoile despite the Starlink blackout?
>>527983124>europoors are cucks, especially balkan borderwall faggots like your fake nation. The biggest war in US history was the second world war. Of wich it was largley uneffected in terms of man power and livelyhood because of how distand it is. With all your "wars " americans have a little notion of what a war is like, why they happen and what it takes to win one.
>>527983247anon asked for a strategy that would win the war, I presented one, odds of success would be minimal, consequences for failure would be awful, but ukraine in its current position could theoretically pull this off, and mining the trans siberian railway is not a huge task, if successful russia would have a famine and be unable to further commit to the war527984606Niggerigger
>>527984151This whole clusterfuck is the very thing that made it clear that NATO membership is the only reliable safeguard against Russian aggression.Without it, Russia will inevitably try to take the rest of Ukraine as soon as they think they've prepared enough, why wouldn't they?Just like letting them keep crimea emboldened them to use the same tactics in the donbass.
>>527985268Negative. The biggest war in US History was the Civil War, and by a large margin. The 2nd World War was just a big money grab. They waited it out, let the British Empire erode, put them in a debt trap, let the soviets and germans kill each other and moved in at just the right time to reap the reward. Smart and cunning realpolitik at its finest.
>>527984907>putin is a symptom, the problem is russians themselvesOh totally, Putin IS ultimately replaceable and it won't change Russia.>>527984930Some of the clips of Russians running around and around an obstacle trying to avoid a drone practically demand a loony toons soundtrack lol>>527984971>"Good russian" is the faggiest shit, i apologize for nothingThank you for being a perfect example of why the term exists. "Good Russians" are inevitably as shitty as the rest.Go back to your shithole and stay there till jewtin sends you to catch drones.>>527985230>With the fall of PokrovskThey were saying the exact same shit about bahkmut.I'm just stating the obvious reality, Russia is bogged down, unable to significantly advance.You're the one that has to make all sorts of convoluted excuses and predictions about how the situation is JUST about to drastically change fingers crossed pinkie promise.>>527985479Lol you really got so triggered you had to do that gay little "I'm not REALLY replying to you" shit?What a NIGGER move! Lol
527986145>fuck why wont you reply to my posts as I mass reply to everyone in the thread with retarded shit to astroturfNigger
>>527963982Hmm Jews don't want them to win but for the war to last until the last Ukrainian man is dead
>>527963982>nuggetjust need a few hiver limbs and he'll be back on the battlefield fighting putler
>>527964334>When Russia’s economy collapses in the next 12-18 monthslol
>>527986145>They were saying the exact same shit about bahkmut.Bakhmut is a salt mining town. Pokrovsk is the coking coal mine town. Without it, no steel industry and a contraction of ukrainian GDP by 15% and a contraction of 50% of their steel production if i'm being conservative.Bakhmut had no logistical significance, when it fell, the frontline moved back just by a few kms to the next ridge. There is no next ridge behind Pokrovsk until the Dnipro river. Pokrovsk is the junction center of the network of urban fortresses and where the lateral movements of the ukrainian supply chain occur. If Pokrovsk fells, the entire logistic system of what remains of Donetsk falls with it.
>>527963982>population of Russia 142 million>population of Ukraine 39 million>4 years of war>stalemate
>>527964135Least demonic jew. Probably gentile blood
>>527980636>they went into recessionwe were fully sanctioning them in 2023 when they came out of their recession
