Can /pol/ refute this?
Schopenhauer died a loveless, kissless, hand holdless virgin.
>>528028980Can you prove it's actually true?
>>528028980
tldr
>>528029022He actually fugged a lotBut it was mostly low-class servant hoesGuy had his tendies secured, he lived off inheritance invested in bondsAnd he was still miserable all the time
>>528028980I mean, it's clearly true. People with unique preexisting identities don't make their nation their identity. Most far-right nationalists were just bored empty people with nothing going on in their lives, and who filled that hole with racism and antisemitism. "I just wanted to play videogames" isn't a joke, that's literally what happened.
>>528028980Further proof that white atheists are worse than kikes
>>528028980>>528029023retired national socialist here, was proud of my ethnicity for a good five years long until retiring last october due to other problems. i can confirm, that pride in my own nationality served to escape from my own insecurities and both mental and physical problems, i see myself agreeing to everything picrel said.
>>528028980What an interesting and well-written argument. He can thank his European heritage for such a fine education and comfortable unbringing, which allowed him to think such lofty thoughts.Niggers on the other hand have contributed nobody worth listening too.
>>528028980Just a gross mischaracterization of the current situation. They're trying to kill us. They're winning. Simple as really.
>>528028980Schopenhauer never wrote that.
>>528029262>poorly wordedyou know that by national socialist i mean neo-nazism.
>>528029355>Just a gross mischaracterization of the current situation.That quote is from 175 years ago
>>528028980I wonder if Schopenhauer would have thought the same if he could have seen Berlin today, full of shit skins, unrecognisable. The country of Goethe turned into the country of goat fuckers.
i dont know about you niggers but my family ancestry is full of people who served this nation and died for this nation.im tired of rootless niggers who arent invested in any future or past trying to tell me what is correct and what isnt. fuck off. civilization is built on top of the sacrifice of its families. as such my ancestors are more important and meaningful than all you globalist cocksuckers, to you i dont owe anything, to them i own everything
>>528028980Yeah but that's because they intentionally deprive you of meaning so you only have your race left.It's called demoralization and intentional genocide.
>>528029406Ummm...akshually, "Nazi" is a term invented by a JEW to disparage the White Aryan race! The correct term is indeed National Socialist! They also didn't hate anyone, they just loved their own race! Here's a video of a Hitler speech set to upbeat film trailer music! Never lose your smile, Kamerad!
this isn't even a real quote you stupid faggot, this is something liberals posted back in 2015 when trump was running to own the chuds
>>528028980Describes miggers very wellMost of them are bunch of losers. Poor and uneducated
>>528029638even if its not a real quote, does that mean what hes saying is false? if anyone said what the quote said, it would have the same value as if someone else did wouldnt it?
>>528029044Each nigger costs over 3/4 of a million dollars? Can someone do the math on this and extrapolate what niggers gave cost American over the last 50 years? The white race would legitimately be colonising space right now without shitskins.
>>528029638https://monadnock.net/schopenhauer/wisdom-4b.html
>>528029726Christ grant me patience. There is a reason this is being fraudulently purported as a Schopenhauer quote, and that reason is emphatically not because that doggerel stands on its own legs.
>>528029817It's a real quote. And wait til you hear what Nietzsche said about the same subject. Are you really surprised to see that philosophers don't share the same opinions as literal inbred trailer trash wignats?
sucj statement brings up a very low T energy.
>>528029817would you believe the quote if it was a real schopenhauer quote? or would you still question it
>>528029262>anecdotal evidence from a single person
>>528028980>True dignity springs from self-rule and inward mastery.The most important excerpt of the entire text. There's nothing wrong with national identity, it is in fact important, as is building oneself
The quote is from the essay The Wisdom of Life (Aphorismen zur Lebensweisheit) published in 1851 as part of his larger two-volume collection titled Parerga und Paralipomena. Literally all chuds do on the internet is lie. They really think they won't get get called out for their bullshit.
>>528029483Schopenhauer is a pessimist. He doesn't care about race. Existence itself is flawed to him
>>528029810OP pic's quote does not appear under your link. However let's look at what Schopenhauer says:> The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority. For example, if you speak of the stupid and degrading bigotry of the English nation with the contempt it deserves, you will hardly find one Englishman in fifty to agree with you; but if there should be one, he will generally happen to be an intelligent man.So all of this was a roundabout way to seethe about the English having a sense of self-worth.
>>528028980Survivor bias
>>528028980>literally a German incel autist
>>528029638>this isn't even a real quote-ACKAphorismen zur LebensweisheitKapitel IV. - Von dem, was einer vorstellt.Abschnitt 8
>hated by his mom so he just hated everything and women most of allkek. that dork would've loved it here
>>528029957I wouldn't agree with it even if it were real. But it isn't, so let's not pretend it is?>>528029897It is not a real quote. >hear what Nietzsche said about the same subjectI don't care what Nietzsche had to say about the subject. Nietzsche was a complete personal failure.
>>528029748tens of trillions of dollars. we would have star trek technology and the best standard of living/education outcomes and the best infrastructure etc. in the world by far were it not for this tremendous burden we carry. dont ever ever plague your country with shitskins.
>>528030252Being hated by women is based. Women love niggers.Do you want to be liked by the same people who like niggers?
>>528030088>Lived experience from a firsthand practitioner
ITT: Losers misunderstanding the quote as meaning you have to become a refugee loving libtard because they feel personally attacked by its truthfullness
>>528030265what is it about the quote that you dont agree with?
>>528030378It's perfectly clear what Schopenhauer was advocating, and in spite of it's protests it's vainglory. "No man is an island." - personal qualities and achievements do not exist separately from the environment that facilitated their development.
>>528030214He is talking about national pride, not ethnicity
>>528030510if national pride is retarded, automatically that makes pride of ethnicity retarded aswell
>>528028980Is he ignoring the social reasons we identify with people similar to us?
>>528030484See >>528030484Schopenhauer presents autistic self-regard as signs of rationality and strength. The modern phenomenon where everyone has a sphere of identity that halts at the inner surface of their own skull is exactly both the necessary and sufficient condition for infinity jeets. The number of people who genuinely have an inverted sense of identity that prioritizes the outgroup are a small minority and their xenophilia would not be ineffectual if it were not for selfish indifference on the part of the majority.
>>528030640Identify ≠ pride and vanity
>>528030484>>528030671Misclicked and quoted you by mistake. See >>528030502
>>528030687Is a chief taking pride in his position to protect his people vain? Evil? A lesser man maybe
>>528030671> would not be ineffectualwould not be effectual*
>>528030752>chief>in his position to protect his peopleNotice how you didn't say "guy with nothing else to show for himself" and "nation" but "chief" and "his position"
>>528030711right, yeah i got a little confused for a second thanks for clearing that up
>>528028980The survival of any nation or tribe depends on the sameness of its people in culture, religion and tradition which fosters unity in its people. Unity is strength. Rabid individualism and diversity is death.
>>528030821okay so identifying with race and nationality only becomes a problem when it's from the perspective of somebody that lived in relative comfort their entire lives never in fear of their own murder?
>>528029180Turns our depression is a bitch.Problem with Schopenhauer was his hypocrisy. The absolute conclusion of his philosophy was that renunciation and asceticism were the most correct approaches to life (and countless times he praised that), yet he didn't.
>>528028980While its true, this is arguement is being made from a very ill willed point of view.The true point of taking pride towards a race or ethnicity or whatever, is that the people in your country are your brothers and sisters and you should be proud of them if they are being good and helpful towards you or at each other. Some healthy level of enthic pride creates unity and charity.
>>528029726no because its not even true
>>528031170what other then belief, ideology, tradition or insecurity makes you proud of your nation?
>>528031234Intellectualism? Do you think it's a coincidence you posted a german philosopher?
why it so hard for leftoids to accept basic truths, everyone has a bias towards their own people, its inherit. So I don't want my people ethnically replaced theres no "deeper philisophical meaning" I just dont want 5 million pajeets, niggers, jews, muslims, and faggots in my country.
>>528031318>Do you think it's a coincidence you posted a german philosopher?im not OP. im talking about his opinion regardless of his ethnicity, and would agree with it even if he was some ugandian third worldist
Seems thread is dead so gonna make one final observation before it disappears. Schopenhauer and Nietzsche were of a sort, in that they were apparently convinced they had some kind of Rosetta stone that revealed to them the inner, hidden motivations in the behaviours of other people. And what was revealed to them was never admirable or positive. They always uncovered some scandalous, compromising disease wherever they essayed into the psyche, and this always had the effect of confirming to them that there was absolutely no hope for "the mob" and that it was futile to hope for anything from other people, who are generally barely any better than animals. They outmaneuvered themselves into a misanthropic corner from which the only escape was turning inwards and cultivating a sense of pride and superiority that was wholly out of proportion to their actual achievements, which mostly consist in book-coping. If I were to venture into a some psychoanalyzing of my own, I would guess that inventing compromising secret motives to explain away the opinions of other people is addictive for the sense of power it supplies. The further into someone else's mind you think you have penetrated, the more scandalous your discoveries are, the surer the proof of your own matchless genius and the more absolute is the impossiblity of any fruitful communion with the goy cattle you have subjected to your analytical scalpel.People who believe they can see into the minds of others are ALWAYS miserable.
>>528031342>and faggots in my countryhomosexuals have their own country now? joking, obvi. but would you want a white person in your country who "thinks like a nigger" or rather have a black person in your country who "thinks like muh civilzed white person"? because both of those exist even if rarely
>>528031422Isn't he fundamentally wrong though? Doesn't germany have an anthropological history of uniting for reasons other than race?
>>528031515Nietzsche and schopenhauer's insight is absolutely true. To schopenhauer the problem is not humans. It is something fundamental about existence itself
>>528031530the only way a white person thinks like a nigger is if he spends time around niggers, the only way a nigger acts like a white person is if he spends time around white people, its not that hard. We literally babysit their entire race.
>>528028980partially accurate although the perception is completely off, it assumes the "contemptible" result is without merit, that forces, man made or otherwise, are issues beyond the singular man's control- issues that aren't actively seeking his demise, apply this same logic to the global Jew, the nigger invading your land- point this same attack upon those invading you- an item Schopenhauer had less to concern himself, a man already committed to anti-natalist schemes, this take is obsolete for our world today.>>528029262It should be a crime for others to project their inferiority complex upon others while capitulating to the inferiority of another(i.e the migrant hordes), perhaps you should consider those that flee their shit holes should take accountability also and accept they are not worth preserving- especially if it means others must sacrifice for them. You've already accepted racial superiority Hans- just not for yourself because you're a Jew liar, or a useful idiot tool.
>>528031721> existence itselfIf you look through a telescope and see a chasm in the heavens, turn the telescope around and inspect the lense.
>>528028980He only said this because he lived in a homogeneous society in a world with only like 700 million people at most, not in current year with 6 billion shitskins and non homogeneous societies.
>>528029022Spotted the worthless poor lmao.
I can’t refute that I constantly see Jews losing
>>528028980>your ancestors mean nothing >you are equal to a nigger
>>528029180>he lived off inheritanceBut your lineage is bunk
>>528031846>do not unite with your fellow white to repel invaders, they're not invaders at all! they're equal to you in every way, now pay your taxes while they fill your schools with retards
>>528029810lmao btfo>>528030155why bother with these shills? they’re either brown or jewish or brown jews
>>528031729not always do people act like the people around the, in a lot of cases they do the opposite >>528031758well i wasnt lying, so tell me more about how im a "useful idiot tool", pretty please?
>>528031937them* my fault
>>528031767Existence sucks. I don't know how people remain optimists when we literally live in hell.Only christcuks and retards are optimistic
interesting how he used the word 'ethnicity' and not 'race'; he was renowned for being very autistic and specific, even in punctuation
>>528030155>everything ever about left wing politics is seething about the english existing I'm glad we set niggers free in the street because apparently english people are so evil
>>528031993tell me what you think the difference is? because under ethnicity i understand blood of / origin of races (example ethnic blacks, ethnic arabs, ethnic whites etc)
>>528032052>everything ever about left wing politics is seething about the english existingTRVKE
>>528032130why do you think he used 'ethnicity' instead of 'race'
>>528031937I never said you were lying? I believe you are in this luxurious position to now disown your own, you've found yourself at the bottom and instead of facing harsher realities to the situation of this world- you've simple moved the cope to another deranged realm of further self loathing and hopelessness. Just because you aren't where you once thought you could be- doesn't mean you should actively seek to normalize it nor project it upon others. Besides- you are consciously aware enough of your own personal experience to even jungle such a lame game, this proves the contrary to your current perception. So keep playing the fool all you like but end the infection unlike what happened with your retarded Frankfurt university and all the "post-modernist" thought that totally wasn't an obvious commie psyop.
It's an opinion and a lot of them are shit
>>528028980I agree with him
>>528032193well, in OP's image we can see in the quote he was talking about origin right? origin as in, birth-land sure but also the birth-land of the ones before him.a black person who has ancestry from nigeria but is born in germany in not an ethnic german is he?>>528032225>You've already accepted racial superiority Hans- just not for yourself because you're a Jew liar, or a useful idiot tool.>because you're a Jew liar>Jew liar>liar
>>528031846>>528031912>more retards blatantly misunderstanding the quote because they feel personally attacked by it
>>528032394yes, /pol/ is infected with plenty Jews posing such a position, prove otherwise, denounce the talmud right now. Seems I struck a nerve, being a useful idiot tool is no problem though...
>>528028980He's right, but that's not the case with what's happening in Western societies. If you can't see that, you're an idiot. And, by your flag, you are a nigger.
>>528032495denounce the talmud? really huh.i hereby denounce the talmud and every other jewish or israeli spiritual text
>>528028980He wasn't English.
>>528028980you have to be faggot because wall of text written by a faggot number 123532113
>>528032583fine then, I prescribe you a go touch grass and wash your penis, we have nothing else to discuss, the defeated German everyone.
>>528029022When you can't win an argument, attack the person. Did you learn that from one of his books?
>>528028980A life unlived, said like a true philosopher.
>>528032710>the defeated German everyone.while wearing a pirate memeflag and exiting the conversation even though we havent discussed anything? all you did was call me hans, ask me to denounce the talmud and call me a liar
>>528029726>>528029497>>528029483>>528029446Ethnicity back then was hating people from the neighbouring village. People almost never interacted with a person from overseas and when they did it was usually one of their elite.What people need to understand is that we are as bad as our worst quintile as much as we are as good as our best. And after a couple of centuries of sending to penal colonies or press gangs or hangings, we vastly improved the stock of our lowest quintile. Unfortunately now our countries are allowing the entry of the lowest quintile from places where they never practiced any such passive eugenics or culling.
>>528032710
>>528032778Stfu Abdul.
>>528032726the right winger always did that, it is a defense mechanism to questioning their logic, trust me i know all too well
>>528028980sure. he was a contrarian railing against the prevailing intellectual trend of romantic nationalism. i think there are also elements of a fair critique against the kind of destructive jingoism that led to the catastrophe of world war 1. authentic nationalism entails a love for your own people, not a hatred of others
>>528032394During his time the notion of nation state (in europe) was on its way out and country was being adopted as the norm, so someone born in said country was of origin they may not be ethnic to the country, and the moral decay of a country is when poors and such feel they have no worth they turn on those who aren't ethnically aligned with them, aka- historically "the jews".
>>528033159In hindsight the "nationalist" movements were to erase smaller more regional identities. Globohomo was always even then the longer goal.
>>528032925>b-b-but we had no conversationyou yourself decided not to go for my points in the OG post and concentrated on my ad-hom, again- revealing more about yourself than my memeflag ever could about me, why did I do this? Because your position is one of disgust and deserves shame>and I'll fucking do it again.pngretard.
>>528028980Group cohesion is good for social stability and efficient logistics. Also this nepobaby looks jewish and applying this shit today amounts to “i got mine. stop being racist and get replaced with cheaper lower iq labor you entitled fucking serf.”
>>528029262>retired national socialist hereLOL. lmao, even
>>528033383i didnt completely disagree with the points, i just kinda still think nationalism is kinda dumb
>>528033635>>retired national socialistjesus christ this board is now how i remember it from 8 years ago. 108 replies and they just let you get away with that. brvh
>>528028980Mart is right though
>>528033947im still actively retiring, you dont immediately retire an ideology and suddenly have completely different views. ofcourse, my views have drastically changed but i still need to change some of them to completely retire from national socialism.
>>528034087so either its this or i didnt completely understand what his point were, which in that case is a mistake of my own
>>528029262Neger
>>528034362last ive checked my skin is really pale because i rarely go outside
>>528028980I can't refute anything
>>528034087then you were never a national socialist. tell me what "national socialism" means
>>528028980https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_SchopenhauerWeimar nihilist whose mom hated him. Jumped out a window to his death after contracting syphilis.
Can pol refute why Jews always lose? It seems like that’s the case here doesn’t it? It would explain why I keep seeing Jews losing
>>528034530i have a feeling that i wont be ble to give you an answer that will satisfy you even if i directly copy and pasted the literal definition right here so i decided i will not
>>528028980100% true however many will then willfully draw false conclusions from this insight regarding modern politics
>>528030671The normies, shirkers and cowards are in some ways worse than jews. The ignorant, fearful and subservient allow parasites and cancer to grow. Parasites will always exist in nature so any weakness to them will always constitute an existential threat.
>>528029180>And he was still miserable all the timeBecause he didn't have a workstation with 29 TB of cool pirated software and tutorials and an immense library of books in PDF form.
>>528034851bro that answer literally tells me everything i need to know. you were never a national socialist. kys
>>528035062>29 TB of cool pirated software and tutorials and an immense library of books in PDF form.I wonder what causes this autism.
The pride is like a preemptive measure against people trying to guilt trip you about your own past. Any narrative about the past is fake and gay anyway but there is no point in holding on to a story that is actually bad for the survival of a people.
Also he's deceptively framing the argument in a manner easy to demolish. It's the archtypical straw man argument. We are nationalists because we need to salve our wretched egos with a deplorable pride.No you crypto jew pilpul double nigger we are nationalists because it would be nice to ride the subway without the companionship of sub human species that defecate everywhere or worse, desire to stab us to death when you have us unarmed.
>>528035137>I wonder what causes this autism.Gluttony for aesthetic pleasure, you jew.
Nietzsche and Schopenhauer were just contrarians. My fellow Germans hate Jews and France? Well France and Jews are cool.
>>528035092from google:"National Socialism (Nazism) is a far-right, totalitarian, and racist ideology developed by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany, ruling from 1933 to 1945. It combines extreme German ethnonationalism, virulent anti-Semitism, and social Darwinism to promote a supposed Aryan racial hierarchy, expansionism, and a cult of personality." i saw myself as a Himmlerist, meaning i religously believed in aryan german supremacy. National Socialism includes anti-capitalism unlike fascism, i was very anti-capitalist and still am
>>528033073They can't entertain dangerous ideas or else everything in their world will melt.
>>528035367
>>528035457>Himmleristwhat are you even talking about>National Socialism includes anti-capitalism>unlike fascismLOLyou literally talk like some "deradicalisation" agent who has learned about "far right extremism" from government-approved seminars. you cant even define national socialism without using googleand you didnt even know that the google definition is completely incorrectwhat are you doing lad. you're not fooling anyone
it's clear from this thread that almost none of you have read Schopie and those who have have misunderstood himI truly believe philosophy is inaccessible for 99.9999% of people
>>528036055Post the correct definition then, bet you won't pussy
>>528028980Divide and conquer individualist bullshit.It's a false choice. You should be proud in your race and yourself.
>>528036139>Schopieyou do NOT know Schopenhauer like that
>>528036139Have you considered the possibility that it's mostly just a load of shit?
>>528028980TLDR just say I love niggers and be done with it. I don't need an entire speech about it.
>>528028980Typical white in an all white country. I'm not sure why we need to counter signal racism when there are no other races around but it happens.
>>528029497Building racially self-aware knowledge of one's people and nation is core to not having it collapse into its own footprint when a brief remark like this is weaponized into a demoralization blurb in service of; the racial stranger, the cultural enemy, the edomite, the antichrist, the gommunist/lolbertarian.
>you can't like anything because you have to like things they way I like things
>>528036405>uses memeflag
>>528036723>haha you like a thing they way I don't?! Wow!
>>528032726it's not an argument it's a value judgement pretending to be an argument.and opinions of faggots get discarded.
>>528036852is that the only thing you will ever say ever forever?
>>528036155kek OP swoops back in the nick of time like a superhero to defend his flailing comradei dont have anything to prove to you faggot i dont give a fuck whether you believe im a nazi or not
>>528037088>dude just like this thing like i like this thing!
>>528037226Of course you can't. Every single time, I accept your concession.
>>528037336delusional. you are the one that conceded, by the way >>528033159>no response
>>528028980I can't see any conclusion or logical connection between his statements so I would refute it simply by stating the opposite.
>>528028980>my tribe is more likely to make my life better by virtue of being my tribesmen than some other random tribe to which i don't belongyes? what a fucking retard
>>528029022He had two daughters (both died early)But anyways he obviously wouldn't say the same today. He lived in a white world.
the heritage institutions and frameworks of religion, culture, marketplace, education, arts & entertainment, politics and science have been sold out, bastardized, commodified -the heritage institutions are weaponized against their own legacy people.nothing to be proud of is not a personal indictment, but a civil account of sale and loss.what remains is race. and the rebuilding of what was abdicated over last 150 years. but it starts with a people (established in the blood of Jesus Christ) to protect, defend, nurture and flourish their own people (by the grace and God and Providence for the praise and glory of God Amighty) and this first by acknowledging that the people actually EXIST:IOTBW-IT'SOKAYTOBEWHITE-IOTBW
>>528028980he was a famous misanthrope, of course he didn't understand the significance or importance of "tribal" belonging. he was right about a lot of other things, though, like women and the jews.
>>528031530>Bro but what if there was a white person and he was like a nigger and then a nigger wuz like a wyte person bro what would you do?I love when shitlibs start doing hypotheticals,in that case,the white acting like a nigger would be thrown in jail,which is what weve been doing for hundreds of years,and that nigger would be sitting on his ass in an african desert.
>>528028980Shpoopinhours is myopic and mentally constipated.
>>528038176>But anyways he obviously wouldn't say the same today. He lived in a white world.This, kek. If any philosopher from then had to live in Detroit, their tune would change quick.
>>528028980Tribalism can proliferate the arbitrary attitudes of cults. We must throw away civilization! National Pride be damned! Free the Nigger! Give them our women!
>>528028980This is coming from a nihilist loser who even pushed a pregnant woman down the stairs. The words of a frustrated loser mean nothing to me. Cioran and Schopenhauer faggots should be shot.
CAN /POL/ REFUTE THISHE DOES HAVE A GOOD POINTHE'S RIGHT YOU KNOWNOW THAT THE DUST HAS SETTLEDSAY SOMETHING NICEPOWERFULREALLY MAKES YOU THINKWHAT ARE THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONSWHAT CAUSES THIS?PUBLIC TRANSPORTATIONKNEELPOLITICALLY SPEAKINGAPOLOGIZEBASED OR CRINGELET ME GUESS YOU NEED MOREHOW DO YOU RESPOND WITHOUT SOUNDING MADWHAT DID HE MEAN BY THISWHY DO AMERICANSWHO WAS IN THE WRONGDAILY REMINDERWELL /POL/YOUR RESPONSEIT'S OVERPOL CAN'T REFUTE THISTHIS IS THE POST THAT KILLED /POL/POL BTFOTHOUGHTS?
>>528038991>detroit, dearborn, houston, cologne, malmo, londonhe would have repented in sackcloth and ashes
>>528028980Easy......ur mums a cunt.
>>528028980No, Schopenhauer was the goat. Who takes more pride in their ethnicity than jewish people though? "god's chosen"
>>528028980Cope isn't less cope just because it's masked in flowery language. Ol' Schopie was pissed because his own people, his own women especially, rejected him and all of his romantic advances, so he came up with this giga cope about how "nationalism bad" - he wasn't part of the in-group, so he said "all in-groups bad". End of story.
>>528028980Yeah, he was referring to French/english/german ethnicity.Not white. You could project this in a modern sense but it doesn’t discount the fact that immigration is having an effect on culture.
>>528029262Retired?!wtf does that even mean, it’s not a job.Shill?
>>528041837He could have been referring to Zimbabwean ethnicity and it wouldn't make him more correct. He hated in-groups because there were no in-groups that would have him. He was a raging incel before the term incel even came about. Some of what he said about women was correct, but he was wrong about pretty much everything else, like nationalism here in this quote.He was the OG Chud. Take everything he says from that perspective.
>>528029022Found the Jew
>>528042489A Jew would have lied. Schopenhaur did indeed die a kissless handholdless virgin, that is a factual statement. He also had a strange obsession with his cousin and severe mommy issues. Those are also facts.
>>528029022>waah muh vagina godkill yourself filthy slave cuck.
>>528042574>had several affairs>had syphilis>handholdless virgin LmaoEither way, when you have no counterarguments you can always resort to pathetic ad hominems
>>528028980I can hardly read the text in OP's pic on my 4k 32" display, luckily I already know that quote. picrel his apprentice.
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>>528043293LOL can you refute this one OP? >>528028980
>>528028980Hitler about his first battle experience:“Then followed a damp, cold night in Flanders. We marched in silence throughout the night and as the morning sun came through the mist an iron greeting suddenly burst above our heads. Shrapnel exploded in our midst and spluttered on the damp ground, but before the smoke of the explosion disappeared, a wild ‘Hurrah’ was shouted from two hundred throats in response to this, first greeting of Death. Then began the whistling of bullets and the booming of cannon, the whining and droning of shells; with eyes straining feverishly, we pressed forward; quicker and quicker, until we finally came to close-quarter fighting, beyond the beet-fields and the meadows. Soon the strains of a song reached us from afar. Nearer and nearer, from company to company, it came, and while Death began to make havoc in our ranks, we passed the song on to those beside us: Germany, Germany above all, above all in the world!”Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1925/26, Stalag Edition
>>528043791Hitlers erste Kriegserfahrung:„Und dann kommt eine feuchte, kalte Nacht in Flandern, durch die wir schweigend marschieren, und als der Tag sich dann aus den Nebeln zu lösen beginnt, da zischt plötzlich ein eiserner Gruß über unsere Köpfe uns entgegen und schlägt in scharfem Knall die kleinen Kugeln zwischen unsere Reihen, den nassen Boden aufpeitschend; ehe aber die kleine Wolke sich noch verzogen, dröhnt aus zweihundert Kehlen dem ersten Boten des Todes das erste Hurra entgegen. Dann aber begann es zu knattern und zu dröhnen, zu singen und zu heulen, und mit fiebrigen Augen zog es nun jeden nach vorne, immer schneller, bis plötzlich über Rübenfelder und Hecken hinweg der Kampf einsetzte, der Kampf Mann gegen Mann. Aus der Ferne aber drangen die Klänge eines Liedes an unser Ohr und kamen immerVom Kriegsfreiwilligen zum alten Soldaten näher und näher, sprangen über von Kompanie zu Kompanie, und da, als der Tod gerade geschäftig hineingriff in unsere Reihen, da erreichte das Lied auch uns, und wir gaben es nun wieder weiter: Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt!“Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1925/26
“That a national religion is necessary to every nation is revealed by the following considerations. Nations originate not by physical breeding, but by undergoing common historical events. They are subjected to the rule of providence. Therefore, true nations are of divine appointment. They are created to recognise ever anew god’s mission. In doing god’s will his nation may dip into the well which gives eternal youth. To always serve him in our assigned mission means to acquire higher purposes, and with them, a higher life. World religion in the singular and national religions in the plural —these are the beginning points of two diametrically opposed camps. Nations are ideas of god!”Rosenberg, Alfred; The Myth of the 20th Century, 1930 -"Daß jeder Nation eine nationale Religion notwendig ist, ergibt sich aus folgenden Erwägungen: Nationen entstehen nicht durch physische Zeugung, sondern durch historische Ereignisse, aber unterliegen dem Walten der Vorsehung. Darum sind die Nationen göttlicher Einsetzung, sie werden geschaffen." "Immer von neuem die Mission seiner Nation erkennen, heißt, sie in den Brunnen tauchen, der ewige Jugend gibt: immer dieser Mission dienen, heißt höhere Zwecke erwerben und mit ihnen höheres Leben." "Weltreligion im Singular und nationale Religionen im Plural, das sind die Programmpunkte der beiden Gegner." "Nationen sind Gedanken Gottes!"Rosenberg, Alfred; Mythus des XX. Jahrhunderts, 1930
>>528028980ofc a neet philosopher chud would say something like that, naturally those intellectuals are lone wolves, live isolated from the general populace having no opportunity to develop a sense for a greater volks-community, its value & suffer greatly in silence. isnt that the grim fate of so many of those types?
>>528028980he could not have imagined how bad things can turn if you on the other hand entierly throw race & nation as a concept pout of the window. his times were still somewhat stable, a bare minimum of traditionalism was given. he was prob still more racist than many today. what he could mean is that no particular emphasis must be put on nation & race but flooding european countries with browns is certainly not what he had in mind. time context is of the essence here.
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>>528044510higher res
>>528043578Why should I want to refute it? I wholeheartedly agree with it.The Jewish pride of the "chosen people" was born in Egypt and Babylonia among slaves.
>>528028980You can't put pride into words. It just is.
>>528045384I was talking to OP bro. Unless you are OP but your previous post implied you are not
>>528037452You still haven't defined national socialism, and I know why because it's like fascism, there is no set in stone defined definition behind it. It's whatever the current movement or power wants it to be. As the germ stated he's a "Himmlerist", that's like a socialist saying they're a Trotskyist, both Himmler and Trotsky had actual ideas and ideologies that fit neatly within their respective political leanings.
>>528028980Be that as it may. Ethno-nationalism is a powerful element in keeping society unified and in harmony, that's more than enough to justify it.
>((heinrich heine))>((tony judt))>"we germans">the french are the good goys & love internationlism, but the german still resiststhe fact that the jews are opposing patriotism means its important>do the opposite of what the jew says
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>>528028980Counterpoint, individuals only succeed when the society they live in can facilitate their success. You can speak of pride in personal achievement from the position of the heir to a patrician family fortune as Schopenhauer does here, as long as the strong ethnic ties and consistent tribal ingroup preference has laid the foundations of a successful economy and stable military state under you. An individual and their achievements carry great weight when hovering on the oppulence of a successful race. I wonder if Schopenhauer would prove as successful a philosopher were he born a lone white German in the jungles of Africa, raised on a diet of cow piss and insects, and learned to read and write by scratching in the dirt with a stick. It's not that individuals flourish regardless of their ethnicity. Ethnicity, when channeled into the framework of a nation, provides the foundation where individuals can flourish. He's indebted to the good fortune of his birth and the strong character of his people, whether he likes it or not.
>>528043791I make that declaration every day on /pol/.In particular the blind obedience of my fellow Germans to authority, their subordination to the most ludicrous ideologies, their moral grandiosity, their fanaticism, all of this is undeniable proof of their extraordinary stupidity.And yet... this stupid people produced the greatest thinkers of all time! Like the mud at the bottom of a pond that nourishes the roots of immaculate lotus flowers.
>>528045938Indeed, it keeps the retards busy so they don't do any actual damage. It's a fantastic tool, just like welfare and social housing. The alternatives are far more costly.
>>528045437> artificially conceived bordersHow you know that even the smarter niggers are just as stupid as white leftists.
>>528046779And adding on to that even if many individuals don't carry their country forward creating a culture where there is pride in a group incentivizes people to strive for more and even if you're just a background character you feel motivated to support your own heroes. All in all it's good thing.And to be fair, nothing exists in a vacuum, sure Caesar, Napoleon, Martin Luther, Bismark, Kennedy and many others were individuals, but they could only succeed because an entire society created conditions for them to thrive. And that society felt pride in them succeeding. Basically, it takes village to raise a child and a country to create a legend.
>>528028980Patriotism is about sacrifice. You were granted life by your people and the state which unites them and preserves them in a cruel world. You were taught everything you know and granted the opportunity to work, gain status and find a warm loving tradwife. Your nation is the sole light, your benefactor. In return you have a duty to your people and the state as long as it serves the genos.Schopenhauer is a demoralized nihilist and so doesn't understand this, he sees the celebration of a nation's achievements as somehow claiming the credit for them, since he looks at everything in terms of que bono. He does not understand that a healthy nation works for its youth and when the youth are older the choose to serve their nation out of goodwill not contractual obligation or some kind of transaction that defies causality.
What does anyone give a shit what that retard said?Humans are so fucking stupid that it would be hilarious of it wasn’t sad.Why the fuck is there a thread about some shit some retarded influencer said 3 centuries ago. Are people also going to discuss the shit destiny says in 3 centuries from now?
>>528046556its the most efficient to follow one ruler with absolute loyalty, the weakness of this system is if the jew puts himself on top of the hierarchy, its not the german mentality that is faulty. at its best we get national socialism strength, dicipline & industrial excellence.on the contrary the american protects himself from tyrannical rule by scattering & minding his pown business, the donwside is that he never truly unites & lacks any sort of völkish idea & coheision, the word "volk" in english "folk" just doesnt ring the same as in german, the have "community", but thats on a smalles scale. further the word for "ich" is capitalized in english "I" emphacizing the rugged individualism of the anglo world.it all has pros & cons, weaknesses & strengths, but in our age of great nations of millions collectivism is the right choice.german collectivism is unparralelled & hence why we had to be crushed in ww1&2. a united germany in invincible. after ww2 germany was torn apart into east & west to ensure us having internal quarrels & never uniting truly. itsa nothing new, since bismarck united germany in 1872 the jew is trying to tear us apart again, hitler writes in mein kampf that the jewish press in his time tried to pit prussia agains bavaria & vice versa, ie north vs south.
>>528046877>How you know that even the smarter niggers are just as stupid as white leftists.our worst is still better than their best.
>>528045739ask 5 communists for a definition and you'll get 6 different answers. this goes for literally any ideology/worldview. my point wasn't that he gave a wrong definition, it was that he literally couldn't give any definition at all without resorting to google. there is literally no such thing as "himmlerism" in the way that there is trotskyism. the only variant of national socialism akin to this is arguably strasserism and even that is pretty much a larp.to answer your question national socialism is best understood as the germanic expression of fascism (which actually has roots in german philosophy but can be expressed authentically by all europeans), which itself is fundamentally a total conception of life, that the state is not simply an instrument of governance as in liberalism but is the living ethical, spiritual and historical self realisation of a people. from this truth national socialism derives principles such as the foundational importance of the volk and the application of the laws of nature to human society, i could go on but that is the essense
>>528028980i'm proud of my achievements and my ethnicity. i've spent the past 30 years in trade/commercial property as picrel. all non-europeans should be exterminated and replaced with advanced robotics/ai, simple as.
*essence f*ck
>>528047495a fucking gorilla is smarter than 2/3rd of jeets, top fucking kek.
>>528028980So your logic is I should not care about my country being invaded by foreigners because taking pride in my nation is a sign of faults? Plenty of great men have been patriotic and recognized the fact that shitskins don't operate on the same level as us. While I am not saying you should make your whole identity about your race, you should recognize that your race will be beneficial to you in any project you decide to take on because we are the race of inventors, explorers, scientists, and more that have superior minds than those of the shitskins.
>>528046556That's Prussian militarism, that isn't inherent in the Germanic spirit
>>528028980He has a strange definition of pride. Pride to your people can be good. It can stir you with desire to protect them, to uphold their traditions, to be a good member of the group, to put others before yourself. Self rule and inward mastery must be ordered to a proper end. The health of one’s people is a noble one. The issue comes when assuming membership to a group grants you righteousness and morality by membership alone (what the Jews do), or that it automatically gives you free will to dominate others. Ironically, his assertion that all forms of love and pride in your people is negative, and that true morality relies in being an inward focused, “self mastered”, total individual with no outward focus or obligations to others, is incredibly prideful.
>>528046556the herd will just follow the perceived most dominant force, ideology doesnt matter, if we win, they will just switch sides:'The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood. Its notions are never partly this and partly that. Those responsible for English propaganda, especially understood this in a marvellous degree and put what they understood into practice. They allowed no half-measures, which might have given rise to doubt. [...] The mentality of the broad masses is accessible only to what is strong and uncompromising. Like woman whose inner sensibilities are not under the sway of abstract reasoning, but are always subject to the influence of a vague emotional longing for the strength that completes her being, and who would rather bow to the strong man than dominate the weakling—in like manner the masses of the people prefer the ruler to the suppliant, and are well-led witha stronger sense of mental security by a teaching that brooks no rival, than by one which offers them a liberal freedom. They have very little idea of how to use that freedom, and thus they are prone to feel that they have been abandoned. They feel very little shame at being terrorised intellectually and they are scarcely conscious of the fact that their freedom as human beings is impudently abused, nor have they the slightest suspicion of the intrinsic fallacy of the whole doctrine. They see only the ruthless force and brutality of its determined utterances, to which they always submit.'Adolf Hilter, Mein Kampf Stalag Edition, 1925/26
>>528028980My organs have been debating my human, with my doings I am here, but my organs lately have been volatile, I need to be more aware of the opinion of my organs, and what they think of myself.
>>528048484german original:'Das Volk ist in seiner überwiegenden Mehrheit so feminin veranlagt und eingestellt, daß weniger nüchterne Überlegung als vielmehr gefühlsmäßige Empfindung sein Denken und Handeln bestimmt. Diese Empfindung aber ist nicht kompliziert, sondern sehr einfach und geschlossen. Sie gibt hierbei nicht viel Differenzierungen, sondern ein Positiv oder ein Negativ, Liebe oder Haß, Recht oder Unrecht, Wahrheit oder Lüge, niemals aber halb so und halb so oder teilweise usw. Das alles hat besonders die englische Propaganda in der wahrhaft genialsten Weise verstanden - und berücksichtigt. Dort gab es wirklich keine Halbheiten, die etwa zu Zweifeln hätten anregen können. [...] Die Psyche der breiten Masse ist nicht empfänglich für alles Halbe und Schwache. Gleich dem Weibe, dessen seelisches Empfinden weniger durch Gründe abstrakter Vernunft bestimmt wird als durch solche einer undefinierbaren, gefühlsmäßigen Sehnsucht nach ergänzender Kraft, und das sich deshalb lieber dem Starken beugt als den Schwächling beherrscht, liebt auch die Masse mehr den Herrscher als den Bittenden und fühlt sich im Innern mehr befriedigt durch eine Lehre, die keine andere neben sich duldet, als durch die Genehmigung liberaler Freiheit; sie weiß mit ihr auch meist nur wenig anzufangen und fühlt sich sogar leicht verlassen. Die Unverschämtheit ihrer geistigen Terrorisierung kommt ihr ebensowenig zum Bewußtsein wie die empörende Mißhandlung ihrer menschlichen Freiheit, ahnt sie doch den inneren Irrsinn der ganzen Lehre in keiner Weise. So sieht sie nur die rücksichtslose Kraft und Brutalität ihrer zielbewußten Äußerungen, der sie sich endlich immer beugt.'Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1925/26
>>528048503We need to consider the subconscious and the amount of culture that enters that area, and how it effects the moral foundation of the person, so memes have an influence on your doings.
>>528028980Yes, but if you don't maintain your borders, you get invaded by literally retarded niggers so any point you may have made is invalidated.
>>528047115/thread
>>528048569That study was never replicated
>>528044510Only an atheist could have wrote this. A religion is not a national creed or psychology. It is not a tool used for uniting a people in a common goal. It is not a neat origin story infused with mysticism. You cannot invent a religion. It is a fundamentally materialist point of view that assumes religion is but a mere appendage of the country and can be tweaked and made as necessary to whatever “essence” the ethnos is said to have.This is not what religion is. Religion is the natural, arising force which man uses to explain the deepest questions about himself and eternity. Who he is. Why he is alive. Morality, cause, hierarchy, death. Attempting to create a “national religion” is no different than fat lonely women in their 30s playing with crystals.
>>528047115>Patriotism is about sacrifice. You were granted life by your people and the state which unites them and preserves them in a cruel world.thats right, nothing is free in this world & we owe it to our ancestors to continue their struggle, every sq-inch of soil we inhabit had to be purchased with precious blood. we have a legacy to carry & not gift our land to niggers or sell it to ((foreign investors)). we are not born into this world as a blank but are already tied to history & family, in that sense we are tied to unshakable rules & conditions, only by fully accepting those we can become free.
>>528048738>milgramfugg, that guy is jewish, isnt it still true that people feel compelled to obey authority? perhaps not to that extent as the experiment suggests.>Milgram was influenced by the events of the Holocaust, especially the trial of Adolf Eichmann, in developing the experiment. After earning a PhD in social psychology from Harvard University, he taught at Yale, Harvard, and then for most of his career as a professor at the City University of New York Graduate Center, until his death in 1984.>Milgram's obedience experiment was conducted in the basement of Linsly-Chittenden Hall at Yale University in 1961,[3] three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. The experiment unexpectedly found that a very high proportion of subjects would fully obey instructions to harm others, albeit reluctantly. Milgram first described his research in a 1963 article in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology[4] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[5]
>>528048780>Religion is the natural, arising force which man uses to explain the deepest questions about himself and eternity.yeah religion is a breathing living thing & demands us to interpret it anew, hence natural & arising force.sounds like you just use your personal preferences to agrue against a valid spiritual standpoint.>It is not a tool used for uniting a people in a common goal. so its not universalism but somehow still is? you are not supposed to think for yourself & tie religion to any nation, place & culture but at the same time its supposedly not a unifying principle for all ages & peoples?
>>528032726The entire Schopenhauer quote posted by the homosexual OP is an attack on the person of the man who loves his ethnicity. So, fuck you and your family.
>>528048780>Religion is the natural, arising force which man uses to explain the deepest questions about himself and eternity.exactly, the eternal struggle against the froces of darkness, a nation united under god struggling against the shabbos nations, 2000 years after christ finally god found his community, reawakened by luther who compells us to find god within & not look for it in outward authority & not be distracted by splendot & material riches, the upcoming germany is struggling for its place in the world & is being persecuted for the sins of the judeo-anglo-american shekel-worshipping world. even though it stood alone it did not falter till the end, just like christ not relenting, not backpedaling on his antisemitism out of fear.>Gott mit uns!and the struggle continues still, we dont surrender & have even gained allies amongst our former enemies, the american, british & russians have joined the fight & have come back to theri senses. persecuted, slandered for daring to question the jews, hated even amongs our own, germany wants to kill all evil nazis but we still hold on to our unvawering belief in ultimate victory.
>>528028980Stupid. The last point of pride for men isn't universally race, it depends on each man. Plenty of men are racist or nationalistic as their first point of pride, and will fall back to other traits when challenged: see /pol/. Didn't read past that. I'm sure he dismisses genetic bias somewhere in there though, Pols always do.
>>528048569>>528048738
>>528028980>just let them take your country broFuck off, no wonder you lost the war.
>>528028980I'm sure there are plenty of accomplished people who take pride in their ethnicity. That being said. He does have a point about those who over compensate for not accomplishing anything themselves though.
why do leftists always attack white nats with this but never black americans, the most racially nationalistic group on earth?
>>528029022Wrong. Schopenhauer had many affairs through his life.He never married because he believed that monogamy was too limiting, and that the natural state of man was polygyny (one man, multiple women).
>>528028980That doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud of your ethnicity. It just means you should focus on working on yourself. Benjamin Franklin was proud of his ethnicity and he was one of the greatest men in history.
>>528028980"The without is a fruitless escape from the within" - Dutchman, 2026.There you go, I added brevity and eliminated the faggotry.Being proud of your ethnicity doesn't make you proud of yourself. While it can feel good, it's not a solution for self-loathing.
>>528054156It's insane you're like one of the few posters in this 200+ reply thread who ACTUALLY understood the point.
>>528054630>he was more of Chad style misogynistkek
Final bump
>>528054921>He does have a point>FINALLY someone who [agrees with (((me)))]Why on Earth are you pretending to not be a shill?Especially while openly bouncing IPs to bump your>refute this POL>protip: you can'tthread
>>528028980The problem is when people fail in their personal life and attach themself to any sort of collectivist movement to proxy power. White supremacy, fascism, communism or any other other extremist ideology are filled with losers who are angry at the world. None of these are practical philosophies so wasting time on them is a sin against the self. This does not mean that you cannot be a good person and come to the conclusion that certain cultures are better than others and that strong borders are important, and that identity politics are racist themself.
>>528028980THIS EXPLAINS WHY KIKES ARE THE MOST WOEFULLY AND DELUSIONALLY PRIDEFUL SPECIES ON THE PLANET, SAME WITH THEIR JEETGOLEMS, LMAO
>>528028980Does this even need to be said?>My ancestors were white!>Therefore something something ethnostate.Face the fucking wall. You don't even have work you can be proud of? Any sort of accomplishment, even if it's just writing a catchy nationalist song or crafting a meme? Intellectual refinement? Any sort of skill? Notches in your belt (from ******* jews)?If you have nothing such then evidently you're an embarrassment to your ancestors, unless they were equally useless, which wouldn't exactly help to support this pride in your origin.
>>528057572You wouldn't get it, ensign Hernandez
Although obviously that doesn't mean you can't be proud of your ancestors, distant relatives, neighbours and so on. In fact you probably should be, if it is warranted, and instead of being jealous, hold them up as examples.But if that's all you have your existence is utterly empty; an identity by proxy, like a foid living viscerally through celebrities Instagram stream.
>>528056252He's not me. I think there is some truth in this, but not entirely as much he does. It's good to be prideful of your origin, just don't let it go over head so much that you don't accomplish anything yourself. Use it as inspiration instead.
>>528058172What I could tell that's Napoleon from the thumbnail (and it made me cringe slightly).That's a delusional take in any case - incidentally I already had to explain it yesterday:There are two different not strictly connected benchmarks.>a persons race in broad terms>whether a person is defective or inferior somehowIs a defective white person preferable to a defective negro?Entirely. Also less common.But this doesn't change that it is a defective person, or excuse this. It's still something that must be addressed even if it passed the first filter.In essence: race as a filter is extremely crude.
>>528058577You're splitting hairs. Why didn't you engage with German translation anon? Racial pride is and should be sacred, almost religious, something to be nurtured and protected. This is why jews have fought against Whites having in group preference or any sense of nationalism for over 200 years. It is a sword and a shield>but what ifShut up, you are concern shilling
>>528028980Hello, fellow Schopenhauer enjoyer. Daily reminder that he was redpilled on die Juden.>''The Jews live parasitically on the soil of other nations, but they are inspired with the greatest patriotism toward their own tribe. They stick firmly together. Thus, it is absurd to concede to them a share in the government or administration of any country.''- Arthur Schopenhauer>''The Jews are the scum of the earth, but they are also great masters in lying.''- Arthur Schopenhauer
>>528059380I already said as much in my other post here:>>528058228What the thread is concerned with is whether this racial "pride" is all a person has. What do they have to be proud of especially if they belong to a race of superior people but have no hint of an achievement for themselves? Rather it should be an embarrassment then.>he belongs to the master race of superior beings>his ancestors real juggernauts>but is perfectly useless themselvesAn embarrassment both to themselves and their race, making it a typical case of coping, having nothing else to cling to.That doesn't in any way mean that racial pride is wrong, if justified, just that you should live up to those standards if you want to brag about it - or not even that; living up to the greats of history is extremely difficult, but to at least have something besides this, however mundane it may be. What is he going to contribute to his race?If a person has such things but overlooks them, that is to say: feels cowed by the great accomplishments of his forebearers, that's still a problem, a deficit in self-worth being compensated.
>>528028980Wagner’s favorite. Where have all the great men gone?
