Ask me anything
>>528041899I am a gnostic agnostic.Ask me anything.
>>528041899I am a jewish goyimAsk me anything
>>528041899Gnosticism requires a God... how can you be both gnostic and atheist?
>>528041899What's the secret knowledge of atheism? >>528041981What's the secret knowledge of agnosticism?
>>528042087A gnostic atheist is an atheist that knows there's no God and all religion is bullshit
>>528042087That's the joke.Me? I've formulated an entirely new belief system:>the nature of god doesn't matter
>>528042254>What's the secret knowledge of agnosticism?Agnosticism means you accept possibility that god exists.You can see intelligent design everywhere etc.But you accept that modern cults provide no real value, other than direct people away from god, if god exists.
>>528041899Why are you so gay and obese?
>>528042527Apparently this should be called either Apatheism or Ignosticism. Hard to decide, so how about:>Ignostic Apatheism
>>528042320That's not gnosticism
>>528041899Why is your ego so big to think I fucking care?Go dance naked in traffic.
With whomst thy wagering odds superbowlball.?
>>528041899Do you believe in souls?
>>528041899God here AMA.
>>528042087I lack belief until sufficient evidence convinces me enough
>>528042629Asked for secret knowledge since it's gnostic>>528043027There's a reason "Why can't atheists define atheism?" became a meme.
i'm a niggerbix nood muhfugga
>>528041899Why the fuck are you larping as a delusional retard?Those words mean things. You'd be better off just saying "I am a jew. Ask me anything."
>>528042320>knows>coward that refuses to seek insists that it knows thingsYou are even less than first assumed.
>>528043027Gnosis comes from the greek Γνωση which means knowledgeGnostic is someone who posses knowledgeChrstkikes changed the definition to some bullshit
>>528044479>"Why can't atheists define atheism?"Lack of belief in God or gods
>>528044923>they changed the meaning>foreign individual discovers that loan words are used for specific applicationsYou're allowed to stop and think about shit, dumbass.
>>528044619>Those words mean things.Right. An agnostic atheist claims with certainty/knowledge that there is no God or gods. In the same way agnostic theist claims with certainty/knowledge that there is a God or gods.While the agnostic atheist lacks still lacks belief bit remains open to the possibility with sufficient evidence to convince them. In the same way the agnostic theist believes God or gods are possible but isn't set in stone like the gnostic counterpart >>528046145>loan words are used for specific applicationsHow is that applicable here?
>>528046145Burger you don't know what thinking is.I doubt you had a single original thought in your entire life.
>>528046333An agnostic atheist claims with no fucking legs to stand on. A gnostic atheist is a self owning retard.Imagine possessing knowledge of absence and still failing to grasp the concept of Void.>How is that applicable here?Did you have a real fucking question? You can stop and think too.No, don't type out a response now. Give it 30 minutes to stew and get back to me later.
>>528046687>explain how loan words work>retarded screechingI SAID stop and think.Yes, it's sourced from greek.No, it doesn't just mean "knowledge" in English because we ALREADY HAVE THAT FUCKING WORD.
>>528046832>An agnostic atheist claims with no fucking legs to stand on.Ok, but it's still a lack of belief. You're more than welcome to disagree with them >How is that applicable here?>Did you have a real fucking question? Why isn't my question a "real" question?Can't answer it? Uncomfortable question? You seem really emotional for no reason..
>>528046979>No, it doesn't just mean "knowledge"Gnostic means with knowledge and agnostic means without knowledge.
>>528047158English is not Hebrew, dumb fuck. Our words mean things.>I don't understand how clarity of communication could matter>I am very smart>>528047359Just say "I don't get it."Then leave.
>>528047585>English is not Hebrew, dumb fuckCool, never said it was either. Nor suggested it. >Our words mean things.Seems like you can't grasp thst really >>528047585>Just say "I don't get it."Seems like you don't. Are you going to leave then?
>>528047585>butthurt christnigger chimping out because someone actually thought about their spirituality and concluded yahweh the canaanite pedo god isn't realMany such cases.
>>528047694>If I double down on incoherent incompetence, maybe he'll stop telling me I'm incoherent and incompetent.Have fun with that. While you're at it, grab your dictionary.>>528047738>I will now VPNfag and strawman at the same timeYou could have glanced through the rest of my posts in this thread and avoided making a fool of yourself.
>>528048023You male a lot of claims you seemingly can't back up. Then you emotionally lash out. Whatever God you believe in has made you no different than a tranny.
>>528048023No, I know what you are from skimming the effeminate little brownoid bitchfits you've thrown in every first post.
>>528048023>grab your dictionarySure bud
>>528041899Isn't that a contradiction? I guess not, you are saying your gnosis is that there is no God? You're wrong btw
>>528048127>I expect you to spoon feed me an English language course that I will subsequently ignoreQuite.>>528048141Is...is it projection? Really?Keep digging, you'll find freshwater on the sea floor eventually.
>>528048325>she said "no u" but in yiddishLol ok lil gal. Feel free to return to preddit at any time.
>>528048023christkikes are so emotional and irrational
>>528048325>is it projection>projection Pedo buzzword.
>>528041899>I'm a contradictory retardFaggot
>>528048325>can't back up claimsLike I thought. Concession accepted
>>528045750Odd how fellow atheists and other peoples have define atheism as a rejection of gods existing. But hey if you want to keep the meme going go ahead. >>528047359Why can't atheists define Gnosticism? Once again you're going away from the common definition of a word.
>>528043504Nope, that's a scientifically impossibility, also virgin women don't give birth
>>528044479Gnostic atheism means he is certain no god exists. An agnostic atheist does not believe in God or Gods.
>>528048544>have define atheism as a rejection of gods existing.Which is still a lack of belief >Why can't atheists define Gnosticism?I mean, I can but that isn't what we're discussing
>>528044619Virgin women don't give birth
>>528048401>>528048425>>528048461>>528048508>If I discuss faith in bad faith it's fine because I don't have faith.Good luck parsing that one.Of course, if I want to really throw a wrench in your gears, I can say "What need have I of faith?"
>>528048713Made another claim they can't back upI already accepted your concession
>>528044696You know how I know God and other religions are bullshit? There's no evidence to them or their supernatural claims, why would I, a 120 pound 5'5 almost 30 year old guy, believe and follow something that I have never seen and is scientifically impossible? Why not believe in leprechauns or the tooth fairy or ed edd n eddy as religions? They're the same thing
>>528048646Science still doesn't really understand consciousness very well.They know it is heavily tied to the brain but beyond that not much else.
>>528042087It can work in a mysteries cult fashion. Tell children there is a god, tech them morality and all that, slowly introduce them to more knowledge, Jung, Tesla, till they start to question it, then bring out the secret truth all the elders have. The universe was never created. It has just always been. Shitthread, but it can work.
>>528048661Exactly!
>>528048713>if I want to really throw a wrench in your gears, I can say "What need have I of faith?"That's a great question. Why indeed? It's because it's your hope for things unseen.
>>528048879So explain to me how a young woman in a backwater shithole town of Roman occupied judea got pregnant without making it sound like she cheated on and fooled Joseph?
>>528041899> Ask me anythingYou know shit so why would I ask you?
>>528041899I am cat, i learn to typ on de fone
>>528041899Why are you gay?
>>528048812>I won a discussion because I refused to treat it as a discussionQuitting the field is a losing condition.>>528048924You should try reading it again. It might mean something more complex than you are able to parse.>>528048842>complaining about religion when we are discussing things outside of religionWhy be discrete in purpose when you can be an arbitrary faggot?
>>528049138>because I refused to treat it as a discussionLook, another claim you can't back up.>It might mean something more complex than you are able to parseAw, you mean your personal feelings. You're a dishonest and disingenuous coward. I'm not going to engage with your sophistry anymore
>>528049001I was not talking about the virgin birth, I was talking about souls.We know very little about how consciousness works and it seems it would be possible for there to be something like a soul that we don't know about.
>>528043504Maybe. Can souls and/or an afterlife exist without a God or gods?
>>528049643Yes.We exist as temporary waves in a quantum field in nothingness. How is that not magic enough?
>>528048661>Gnostic = certainWhat other words have you personally changed the definition? >>528048676>Believe gods don't exist>It's a lack of beliefWhat's the next step of your master plan?
>>528049734>>Believe gods don't existRight, which means it's lacking a positive belief that they do. How is this hard to understand?
>>528049307>you can't prove that quitting the field is a losing conditionHoly fucking brain worms.>feelingsNo. Not at all.Did you know that there are formal fallacies that aren't actually fallacious?This is what happens when you use a list of fallacies as a playbook. Surely this is actually the height of intellect.
>>528049734>Gnostic = certainGnostic derives from the Greek word gnosis ("knowledge"), referring to a 2nd-century belief system where "knowers" (Gnostics) claimed exclusive, secret, or intuitive insight into the divine to achieve salvation. It is not merely "certainty" in the modern sense, but a spiritual, elitist knowledge that the material world is evil and created by a lower deity.
>>528050019Dude.>>528046145>loan words are used for specific applications>>528046333>How is that applicable here?Commit self induced cessation of biological processes.
>>528041899>>528041981>>528042087>>528042320Religions have operated for centuries under the false assumption that they "know" gods and anyone who has never been told about their gods is ignorant. It's a clear rationalization. --->There is knowledge.--->And there is belief.These are non-overlapping magisteriaIn the realm of what is knowable (knowledge):------------------------------------------Gnostic is what is knownAgnostic is what is not known (but can be)Gnostic/agnostic logically cannot have anything to do with beliefs.In the realm of what can be believed:---------------------------------------------------Religions are based on beliefs. The Pope said so himself (Fides et Ratio). Beliefs are irrational and don't require any proof (elements of faith)Gods are supernatural beings that can only be believed in or not believed in. Beliefs in supernatural beings, like demons, witches, gods, sorcerers, angels, leprechauns, abominable snowmen, devils, elves, ghosts, fairies, mummies, mermaids, vampires, werewolves, goblins, Ishtar bunnies, ghouls, zombies and other such beliefs are irrational. We suspend our disbelief in them for entertainment.These are Greek words that have literal translations:Theist - BELIEVES in godsAnti-Theist - BELIEVES in gods but against themAtheist - DOES NOT BELIEVE in any gods.There is no overlap of the known with the realm of believables. Gods are supernatural beings some people have been convinced to believe in. We can never 'know' anything about them, just like we can't 'know' anything about leprechauns, but we can pretend to. There have been thousands of vastly different gods among the hundreds of diverse religions.
>>528050673Correction: anti-theist is against belief.Or, perhaps, against organized religion.
>>528050661I'm asking you to demonstrate your claim. I don't necessarily agree it applies here considering that atheism is a lack of belief in God or gods with gnostic and agnostic being subsets regarding lack if belief. Thus it's not about specific application, rather identifying the subsets that still end in a lack of belief
>>528041899What redpilled you on Ialdabaoth?
>>528048879Everything we don't know is a scientific frontier
>>528050875The word "theist" is derived directly from the Greek word θεός "Theos" Look up the word "theos" https://biblehub.com/greek/2316.htmNo mention of "organized religion" or belief
>>528041899Can you see an apple in your head if you focus.. or is it all just blank and empty in your head? Do you have inner dialogue?
>>528051227So why call souls scientifically impossible?
>>528048544>Odd how fellow atheists and other peoples have define atheism as a rejection of gods existing.The atheists say that it is a lack of belief in any gods.The butthurt Abrahamic religions say that atheism is a rejection of gods and uses that as an excuse to kill them, or at least they used to. The muslims still do, tho.
>>528051065>I'm asking you to explain while I misconceive what gnostic and agnostic meanAgnostic is not a subset of atheism. Gnostic is a REFUTATION of atheism.The WORDS.>>528051266>back to more loan word idiocyDropping words does not negate meaning when the retained word is the most important component. I was not defining the word, I was clarifying.It is not necessary to believe yourself correct.
>>528051607>while I misconceive what gnostic and agnostic meanI'm not though>>528051607>Agnostic is not a subset of atheismIt's a subset in both theism and atheism. I explained why too>>528051607>Gnostic is a REFUTATION of atheism.>The WORDS.How exactly?>>528051607>when the retained word is the most important component.Which is what atheism is. It's without theism. It's lacking theism. Lacking belief, either through gnostic or agnostic means
>>528051607>Agnostic is not a subset of atheism. True, they are entirely unrelated>Gnostic is a REFUTATION of atheism.False, they are entirely unrelated>I was not defining the word, I was clarifying. >I want words to mean whatever I want them to meanSure thing, Humpty
>>528052050>knowledge of God is not a refutation of a lack of beliefTruly advanced concepts.>Sure thing, Humpty>Stop telling me when I word bad! You're the one defining words however you choose!The font of knowledge at your fingertips, and you choose this as your response.
>>528041899GNOSTIC / AGNOSTIC ARE KNOWLEDGE-BASED AND CANNOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION, WHICH IS BELIEF-BASED!The fact that the church/mosque/temple has been rationalizing their irrational beliefs and lying to you all these centuries does not make it so.
Why do we dream?
>>528052050not entirely unrelated but certainly not a subset of atheism, its merely the admission that you do not know if divinity exists or notyou can be an agnostic atheist, you are uncertain if divinity exists or not, you think it probably doesn't but you're also open to being wrongbecause there are definitely agnostic christians, doubt is required for faith, just few are honest enough to admit they could be wrong. as opposed to gnostic Christians but that requires having no doubt and thus no faith. claims of knowledge must be substantiated.claim divinity exists, onus is on you to substantiateclaim dinivity does not exist, again onus is on you to substantiateignorance need only be confessed "I don't know"
>>528052400My guess is that we have experiences that affect us in a way that it leaves a mark on our subconscious and when we sleep and we hit REM then our subconscious plays out those experiences in various ways. I've also had physical world completely change my dream and also realized I'm dreaming and wake myself up.
>>528052322>knowledge of God No such thing. You cannot "know" anything about irrational beings. You pretend to know, but that's just your severely underdeveloped critical thinking failing you again. >>528050673>Stop telling me when I word bad! You really are shit at it, and you lack even the midwit intelligence to understand why.
>>528041899It is a contradictory statement that can not logically be debated./bait thread
>>528052593I'm 37 and havent remembered a dream since I was under 10
>>528052646>you can'tYou do not define what I am capable of.You will never define what I am capable of.Some of us happily finished off our glass. Go on, drink. Wake the fuck up.
>>528041899Why do you care whether anyone knows your affiliation?
>>528052931Do you get good sleep at night?
>>528052984>Some of us happily finished off our glassA tall glass of copium
>>528053305Ok, newfag.
>>528053443>Ok, newfag
>>528052456>you can be an agnostic atheist,You cannot. We heard that somewhere, we fell for it, but we never once considered what it meant. Now we defend it because we're too weak to challenge our own beliefs.> you are uncertain if divinity exists or notIf you don't believe in any gods, then you are an atheist, Full Stop. If you pretend to believe in gods so your church-going friends don't get mad at you, that doesn't make you ((( agnostic ))) about anything.Theism: claim divinity exists, onus is on you to substantiateAnti-theism: claim dinivity does not exist, again onus is on you to substantiateAtheism: What divinity?>you're also open to being wrongAre you open to the possibility that all of the deity-based religions are false?>doubt is required for faithIs faith "knowledge"? No, it is belief.
Do I follow the light or don't follow the light?
>>528052984>You do not define what I am capable of.Infinite gullibility? Nailed it.
>>528049910>A contradiction isn't a contradiction.Ignore reality. Great master plan. Is it any wonder so many fedora tippers became trannies? >>528051559>AbrahamicGood morning saar did you know religions have defined it the same way?
>>528054024>I'm going to continue misusing anti-theism because i refuse to check whether I'm correctTHE FONT OF FUCKING KNOWLEDGE.FINGERTIPS.
Atheism is so 2008
>>528054024>>you can be an agnostic atheist,>You cannot.Sure you can. See>>528046333>While the agnostic atheist lacks still lacks belief bit remains open to the possibility with sufficient evidence to convince them. In the same way the agnostic theist believes God or gods are possible but isn't set in stone like the gnostic counterpart
How do I become an archon and leverage the system to work in my favor at expense of the rest of humanity?
>>528046333>An agnostic atheist claims with certainty/knowledgeMeant gnostic
>>528048842Fat
>>528041899HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>528054179>A contradiction isn't a contradictionHow is what I said a contradiction exactly?
>>528054160You are welcome to look out the window. The door is probably a bad choice for you.
>>528049730Good answer
>>528054401>there is no god>directly references VoidAh, brainlets. So scared of correctly identifying fundamental concepts as the components they are.Lower case "god" is a misattribution. There is no god, only God.
>>528054577Meds. NOW.
>>528054577You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>528054674Meds won't help me remind you to stop self inducing brain damage.Cold turkey. NOW.
>>528054799There is no god jackass. COPE.
Is this a joke thread? Will my questions be answered sincerely or is it a pajeet fake slide thread to litter the board?
>>528054904>litter the boardYou can't litter in a landfill
>>528054870Yes, it IS cope to insist there is no "god" while refusing to properly capitalize the G.Your post leans towards an expression of fear. Upgrade to actually saying it.
>>528054197Did you know that extremely pious Christian Daniel Webster was also a lexicologist? He wrote the church-inspired definitions for tens of thousands of words. You can find his work in the Merriam-Webster editions.What does the Greek word "anti" mean? >The Greek word "anti" (ἀντί) is a preposition that means "instead of," "for," or "in place of." What does the Greek word "theism" mean?>The Greek word for theism is "θεός" (theós), which means "god" or "gods." Put them together and what does it translate to?>Against god/godsTaps sign...
>>528055044>theism is the same word as theosStop being retarded on purpose.At your fucking fingertips.Imagine dredging up useful information only to misuse it to deflect from a simple correction.
>>528054309>I cannot see the failed logic in >>528046333>because my cognitive faculties have failed meThis much you've made abundantly clear.
>>528055017>oh no MUH CAPITALIZATIONYou are mentally ill and retarded.
>>528055191Yeah like the other dude, just ad homs. Unable to address the argument itself.
>>528055308>lexical accuracy is mental illnessQuite.
Anon above is a faggot
>>528055310Nothing I said to you was ad hominem. You literally demonstrated every trait I pointed out to you in an effort to get you to stop exhibiting them.Again, it isn't fallacious when you use it as a playbook.
>>528055618Again, more claims you're unable to back up.
>>528054226Indeed look what happened to Atheism+>>528054411Finish school then come back to /pol/. Pay attention about to the part about logic. >>528055017Capitalization would mean that anon would have to type G_D
>>528055310>Unable to address the argument itself.How many times have you been shown it's a bad argument and you're still clinging to it, impervious to new information in a way that would impress the researchers Dunning-Kruger?
>>528056320>How many times have you been shown it's a bad argumentNone So why is it a bad argument?
>>528041899This meme was ruined when I learned that guy is a protty
HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!!
>>528041899What does it feel like to fart cum?
>>528056666Once your brain is gone no sense of time or experience will occur so it's more like plain old nothingness. It's not like you're gonna be experiencing nothing for eternity you just don't exist.
>>528056450>So why is it a bad argument?You were off to a good start:>528047359>Gnostic means with knowledge and agnostic means without knowledge.>528050019Gnostic derives from the Greek word gnosis ("knowledge"), referring to a 2nd-century belief system where "knowers" (Gnostics) claimed exclusive, secret, or intuitive insight into the divine to achieve salvation.Right against, but these people who claimed they were Gnostics were actually rationalizing their irrational beliefs. They had no actual knowldge of any gods. In the rational realm, pretending it's knowledge doesn't count.528051065>identifying the subsets that still end in a lack of beliefAtheists lack belief in gods Gnostic / Agnostic are to do with what is knowable, and they're in an entirely different realm unrelated to the realm of belief. There's no Union or Venn diagram that overlaps any kind of relationship between knowledge and belief. Once we know something, we no longer need to believe in it. If a god showed up today, confirmed his/her existence, suspended the natural order to our satisfaction, then cults would no longer need elements of faith to believe in this god. This god would become part of our epistemological system of knowledge. And he/she god could explain why 99.999999999999% of the universe is lethal to human life and any other livable planet is entirely unreachable even at near light speeds. No evidence of any gods, tho.This is where you veered off the road:>>528051885>Lacking belief, either through gnostic or agnostic meansReligion abuses the terms gnostic and agnosticNo one can be gnostic or agnostic as it applies to any belief systemThen you got schooled and it apparently didn't take.>>528054024No one can "know" anything about gods. the can only pretend to know, which is a logical fallacy called rationalization. Educated people are usually not proud of falling for logical fallacies. Or they're not bright enough to be embarrassed by falling for them.
>>528056666I won 5 THREADS yesterday! I want my 6th! So you are not longer "running away" from the threads, now you are just IGNORING ME?! HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH . I'm the undefeated champion! You are the No Win LOSER!Christ is King
>>528055604>>528055308>>528054674>>528054401>>528056666ANOTHER ID? Just in case you didn't see it? >>528059372
>>528056852That namefag gives falseflaggingPosts like a christkike larping as a retarded atheist
>>528060354>larping as a retarded atheistNo, he's the real deal. Like most atheists.
>>528041899I'm a bald guy with a shitload of hair on my head. Ask me for your horoscope.
>>528041981Agnostic mystic I think is what you mean
