>Dead of Due Process Oh well, Civil War it is
Youre not Americans, its not a civil war. You were always invaders, and yes we want to kill you all for what youve done, not just deport you. Good.
>>528052528You niggers speak as if you didnt lost the last one. Pfff
>>528052310Well, yeah; they're Venezuelans, not Americans. Due process is a right of American citizenship. Easy to understand.
>>528052664The democrats lost the last civil war, you incredibly stupid bitch.
>>528052310Since when are illegal immigrants afforded due process? Is this one of those lies that everyone is just expected to believe uncritically?
>>528052310>Civil War it isYou won’t do shit
Courts won't do shit they don't want to set a precedent. They will just let these turbo beaners be shipped back to their Bolivarian paradise.
>>528052731the core of America's founding was the belief that men are born with rights, whether their government chooses to recognize these rights or not. Hence 'inalienable' rights.
>>528052310If you want to die over Venezuelans I'm happy to help you with that.
>leftists literally going to sudoku against american soldiers because of illegalsBased
>>528052731>Due process is a right of American citizenshipThats not what THE CONSTITUTION says.
>>528052760Wow, you seem upset!
>>528052310Due Process is not in the constitution, its a leftist weapon for power tripping jewish judges
>>528052818Quick question, Without Due Process, how do you know they are illegals?
>>528053020American men. You can go to venezuela to live with them if you hate america being a country so much.
Checking to see if someone is here legally is due process.
>>528053162You're the one shouting, retard.
>>528052731/Thread
>>528052310killing all the lawyers and judges would be boring and too easybest to make them suffer
>>528052310Non citizens do not receive due process
>>528053020>mostly all slave ownersYeah, real humanitarians they were.
>>528052310if person is found to have no legal status here aka illegal then yes, no need for due process. if person has legal residency or work visa and is caught doing serious crime then yes they should be deported after paying for the crime. if you "as illegal" want a due process then contact embassy of your country
>>528053471How do you verify Someone status without due process?
>>528053157Who gives a fuck what some dead person said 100's of years ago.
>>528053517simple, via immigration db. you get pulled over for traffic violation, they run your license when is then also checked against other db
>>528053517With a shibboleth. Ask them to say New York, if you hear a J they go away.
Due process is simply a process due and depends entirely on the person in questions.The process due to illegals is summary deportation, that's the process. The process due to them isn't subject to the faggot courts, it's administrative.
>>528053195Just look at their skin color, non-whites are all illegals
>>528053517It shouldn’t be too hard to prove your own citizenship.
>>528053614How do you verify they are telling the true and not "nah, your name is not on the list" ?? >>528053701You show your papers, Agent say "Its fake". what next?
>>528052731No dumbass everyone here gets due process citizen or not. I don’t understand why they want to die on this hill just get a loyalist judge and have a kangaroo court it would be so easy. Why do they want die on the hill of no due process it’s retarded and only makes people turn away from their goals to deport people. It’s so incompetent it’s unreal
>>528052310>civil war over random thirdworld browns and their paper work No one is willing to go to war over that gay shit.
>>528053738are you dumb or something? same way cops verify gun serial number. when dmv hands you ID they know if you're legal or illegal or temp based on data you provided them. cops can run you thru immigration db too like immigrations checkpoints do
>>528053840You are not willingly to go to war over the right to argue in court that whatever the government is saying about you, is false?
>>528053738Show them your drivers license, birth certificate, and social security card
>>528052310What does due process have to do it? If they robbed a bank or something, then yes, they'd be arrested and put in prison awaiting trial. Due process would be a factor in this case. This is an issue of someone who is not a citizen crossing the boarder. Simply send them back. There is no need to try and "prove" guilt in a court. If they're not a citizen, their not a citizen.
>>528053962>Show them your drivers license, birth certificate, and social security card"Those are clearly fake" Says the agent arresting you. Whats next?
>>528052818>this one of those liesLies? It's a bed rock issue to our constitution with due process directly mentioned in the 5th and 14th amendment. Everyone with in the borders of the USA, as in jurisdiction of, has constitutional rights. Then you factor in that illegals are a paperwork issue and not even criminal but civil. Unless the have been deported and came back. Even then it's just a misdemeanor. So that people should not be getting their rights stomped on. Being taken to the far extremes and say a serial killer sneaks in from Canada and is pulled over for DUI, but is found to have three dead hookers in the car. That due still has all his rights protected, right to stay silent, issues of legal search etc.Like OK we can sit here and go filthy shitskin scum gtfo etc. But make no mistakes about it. The processes being done right now to make that happen are frightening levels of ignoring the constitution. Everything from admin warrants being used as if a real door kicker warrant to just damn near everything in the chain. There are exceptions. People who had prior court dates etc. Yet the gov just should not be basically black bagging people to disappear them to where ever. Based off eh we think he did this or whatever.
>>528054084Then you're brown or black and don't belong here anyways
>>528052310>dares courts to intervenefinally, a based government that isn't afraid of libcucks infesting every run of the political apparatus of this state.
>>528054143>Everyone with in the borders of the USA, as in jurisdiction of, has constitutional rightsBullshit.
>>528053020The founding fathers were slave owners who didn't believe women had any rights and actively genocided the brown natives. Shut the fuck up.>t-the founding fathers were mentally ill liberal cucks like me!Every last illegal would be rounded up and killed during their times.
>>528053936Nope and neither are you and millions of others like you. Am I wrong? If so, start shitposting and get started already.
>>528053652You need to give them an hearing, or otherwise you risk getting the same treatment.>but I'm not an illegal immigrant! I'm not brown!yes, but who cares? as long as you never get in front of a judge nobody will know.This is literally what Habeas Corpus was about, you have to fight for them to have their day in court so that YOU don't risk getting disappeared with an administrative order.And also this: >>528053791I mean, come on, this is the easiest shit to play around, like, ever.
>>528053020yes or no: Are you antiwhite?
>>528054084>but what if the cop rapes you?>that's why we should let people break laws and shitRetarded hypothetical scenario.
>>528052528This.
>>528053020They also believed niggers weren’t people and women couldn’t vote. So unless we’re banning niggers and women from making decisions in America, cut the shit
>>528052731the constitution says you literally dont have to be a citizen to get due process you retardthink about what it was written: There were more non citizens than citizens in North AmericaCaptured soldiers or loyalists were to be given due processSO YOU DONT HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN
>>528053195Non-white, doesn’t speak English, flies the flag of their home nation, segregates into bubbles with other illegals
>>528052310>I will FIGHT and DIE for DUE PROCESS for ILLEGAL ALIENSLucky you, I'm willing to help you with that.
>>528052310>Dead of Due ProcessActual lawyer here. Due process is still being followed. For illegal aliens, the only "due process" that is owed them is "Are you here legally? No? Do you have a valid claim to refugee status? (Wanting a better economy to make money in isn't a valid claim.) No? Enjoy your deportation."That is literally due process for someone who is found to have entered, or overstayed, in the U.S. illegally. You can get a visa and remain for as long as the visa is valid. Or if you're from some war-torn hellhole then you might be able to stay for as long as the war lasts (as long as you didn't go somewhere else safe first). Otherwise, adios, Pedro.
>>528054031>If they're not a citizen, their not a citizen.Their paperwork being out of date or even missing doesn't just magically remove their constitutional rights. How do you think that would work? You over stay your student visa being you fell for someone here. Yet the gov just gets to do whatever they want without due process of court and a judge etc? Being you're 6 months over due on your return date.They claim you did this or that, don't show or prove it at all. You don't get a defense and your just black bagged to somewhere. Ya know, being your student visa was out of date.
>>528054084How about you kill yourself? Inventing fantasy scenarios so you can defend spics is pathetic faggot behavior
>>528053020White men. Not women. Not brown men. Not brown women. White men. Only.You vermin. You will learn soon.
>>528054420Due process is just that it's part of a process which is why they need to be held somewhere to verify their credentials and documentations can't just let them roam around illegally in this country doing god knows what
>>528054143 No, your “magic dirt theory” is bullshit. Stepping foot on American soil doesn’t give you the same rights as citizens
>>528054567This
>>528054420No sorry you don't get to deliberately clog the system with 40 years worth of volume as a strategy.We're going to kill you if you stay. So you had better leave. Apply for a work visa if you want.
>>528052310Anyone with a final deportation order had thier due process.
>>528052760average american education
>>528054758inb4>duh lincon was repubyou know what you meant bitch
>>528052310>ahhhh! I want to get shot and killed for foreigners you won't do shit
>>528052310>due processfor whom?you think the founding fathers intended illegals to get due process when ejecting them?>b-but person meansfuck off kike
>>528052310>illegals have no right to due processThis law was signed and enacted by William Jefferson Clinton. Dems will seethe.
>>528054231Ok you're just wrong and can go find out how wrong with like a 5 second Google search but go on with you 2+2=5 sort of thinking. I'm dumbfounded people live in the USA and don't know some of the most basic shit.I'd throw the no college barb at you but this isn't college level shit. Your high school history teacher should have covered all of this with basic civil history. Along with the whole three branches of gov etc etc. I'm not asking you to know trigonometry here, this is real basic level stuff here. Maybe even 8th grade level if one went to a better private school.
>>528053020The founding fathers also believed that faggots who invaded their borders should be shot and killed on sight. Show me what part of the constitution protects illegal invaders
>>528053517Due process ONLY applies if you’re being charged with a crime. Deportation is not a crime so NO due process, just get the fuck out. Use your brain you jew nigger.
>>528053020>the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happinessNot seeing where illegals have a right to due process before expulsion. Can you point it out for me?
>>528052310everything the trump administration is doing will be used as precedent when the dems inevitably take power again. expect:-stricter laws and gun confiscation-federal hate speech laws-federal antisemitism laws-violent criminals being released from prisons -mass immigration that makes bidens policies look tame-insane taxes to feed all the new americansyou fucks have no idea whats coming lol
>>528052310Abe Lincoln did this and many consider him the best president of all time.
>>528055080>Deportation is not a crimeSo no need to enforce a non crime, got it.
>>528053020Yeah, the founders were progressives. We need to go back to how things were run back then to get the country on track. Niggers in chains, women at home raising kids, and only land owners can vote.
>>528053157What does the constitution say about the rights of non-citizens?
>>528055133>j-just waitenjoy your next three years of trump and four of vance
>>528054143So do Americans have constitutional rights in other people's countries do we get due process in their country if we are illegals there?
>>528052310>Oh well, Civil War it isGreat, then don't cry when roasties or liberal teenagers start eating bullets from the feds. I plan on doing nothing and laughing at you cry on /pol/ like a little faggot.
>>528055189your choices:>left wing jewish party>right wing jewish partyi've never voted in my life because i see it for what it is
>>528052310Illegal aliens being deported IS their due processThat is to say the process that they are due“Due process” doesn’t mean everyone gets a lawyer and a jury trial
>>528055290This
>>528053195Their legal status isn’t in question
>>528054084Visit the consulate in whatever country you're sent to.
>>528052310>Civil War>Deporting Venezuelans is my line in the sandlol. lmao, even.
>>528052310You won't do shit faggot
>>528053517Present birth certificate or naturalization documents.>>528054084Your fault for moving to a racist sexist third world shithole, niggerfilth.
>>528053157I don't give a shit what the constitution says. Shitskins exploiting what it says is how we got in this mess. From now on, only citizens get rights.
>>528054416>ban nighers and wimenI'm good with this
>>528052731How do you know somebody isn't an american citizen without due process? If you don't have a hearing to present your birth records you could be anyone
>>528054420Due process is determining they're not citizens and aren't legally in the country. Once that is established you remove them.Your kike version of "due process" where they just get to scurry away back into hiding after pinky promising to show up to court, not to argue that they are legally there (because it's already known that they're not), but to argue that they somehow have an inherit right to remain in a country they entered illegally forever, is done.
>>528052310You and your bourgeois comrades are not going to die for Venezuelans.
>>528054420Where does it say any of that?
>>528053517You get locked up, you get a short period of time to come up with proof of citizenship and a beurocrat gives a yay or nay. We are not able to send every illegal to a court with a jury with multiple deliberations spanning years. There are too many illegals for that.
>>528054292We suspended Habeas Corpus in the Civil War, and yes this is a civil war between illegals and actual human beings
>>528054789Well then you dirty fucking junglemonkey let's look at the last war involving the Americans.The one fought by Guatemala and a fucking fruit company.
>>528054789Lol shut the fuck up, VPN jeet. You already exposed yourself as a retard then tried to immediately post cope.
>>528052310what will do, spit in food at your door dash job? fuck outta here pussy bitch
>>528054567Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't asylum seekers required to seek aaylum in the first country they escape to rather than whatever country they choose?
>>528055164Deportation is not a crime. Being an illegal in the country is a federal crime. Why would you need due process? The deportation notice was already due process and they ignored it. Are you retarded or something?
>>528054567>Actual lawyer here. Due process is still being followed.I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt you're not larp'ing. So ya got to know some of these due process issues are of the illegal yes no etc you mentions. Yeah sure the beaner fresh out the river isn't as sticky case wiseBut a lot of the problematic cases are people well along the process to be citizens. Where the gov is stepping in making claims of criminal or gang connections. Claims of doing this or that to cancel out the person's progress and boom, deported. Yet the gov isn't doing the due process required for actions like saying eh tats so gang banger. Eh protested whatever, deport. Those are simple punt cases, all should be due process with a defense.>>528054682Yes it does you absolute moron. At least as far as constitutional rights. There are citizen rights like voting and a few others that are a different issue. Like at some level this sort of debate is pointless if you're legit so damn under educated you don't even know basic foundational level stuff.
>>528053020>>528053020correct, and we have the right to kick out foreign shitskin invading leeches
>>528055500You're not as smart as you think you are Chiam
>>528054789Lincoln WAS a Republican and the CSA were democrats, you dipshit leftist. You’re the example of a dogshit education
>>528055610>you get a short period of time to come up with proof of citizenshipThis is called Due Process
>>528052310Is illegal immigration a misdemeanor or is it a serious enough crime to need due process?
>>528055500You don't need a hearing for it if they can't provide it they aren't legal it would be just as easy as them looking up their social security number their drivers license or birth certificate or documentation papers or work visa etc etc
>>528053020/pol/ is too chatbot compromised for me to even use anymore. Most of the replies to this were the same irrelevant talking point that's usually used by leftists to make you abandon your principles. Oh did you know the founding fathers were racist and sexist so we gotta reset everything. Me and all my poster friends agree.
>>528053020>the core of America's founding was the belief that men are born with rightsMen. Not women, pajeets, chinks, niggers, etc.
>>528053195Citizenship isn't a right of anyone. Citizenship is a privilege, and it can be revoked or questioned at any time. So even if they ARE citizens, who fucking cares? They're brown, so we can question their citizenship. The proper ones will have paperwork, and the improper ones will get shipped off.If it were up to me I'd just revoke all the citizenships of every brown person so we wouldn't even need to ask for papers, please, we could just skip that step and go straight to deportation, but then I'm not a politician so it isn't up to me.
>>528052310Shalom rabbeh
>>528056038Name and date of birth are generally sufficient with modern databases
>>528052528Also, fpbp
>>528053483kek
>>528056131I would say more documents need to be provided considering how easy it is to forge drivers licenses
>>528056058>free white men
>>528052310What process is due to an illegal immigrant?>>528054143>Everyone with in the borders of the USA, as in jurisdiction of, has constitutional rights So if foreign invading army crosses US border and starts killing your citizens, your army cannot touch them until they receive a due process, yes?Otherwise, how can you prove they are an invading army
>>528054292>b-but habeas corpus!We suspend laws all the time. We already suspended that during our first civil war. The "law" is ultimately just a polite fiction, it's a mental construct. We can (and will) change the law to whatever the fuck we want - if we say "shitskins don't get habeas corpus", then that's that.Appealing to the law is a VERY weak argument, because the law is changeable. It changes all the fucking time.
>>528054789You niggers are so stupid it’s actually mind blowing.
>>528056222anon.. you CANT prove citizenship with a fucking driver license
>>528055806>Being an illegal in the country is a federal crimeNo, it's civil offense unless the person already was deported and returned illegal back in to the country. That's why police don't have to help ICE enforce civil actions. At worse it's a criminal misdemeanor.. That's why people are getting pissed at ICE. They are out enforcing shit on par with jaywalking in full paramilitary garb. It's strange. Even more so with Trump bizarre web page for the worst of the worst....... and they are all already in jail for their crimes. Yet the site spins it like street pick ups
>>528056286>So if foreign invading army crosses US border and starts killing your citizens, your army cannot touch them until they receive a due process, yes?Otherwise, how can you prove they are an invading armyTop kek
>>528054567yeah well you can't know they are illegal without due process, because I can't know, and you can't know what I can't know, SO THERE
>>528056377That's my point they need more documentations proving they are legal citizens other than just a drivers license
>>528056071Dangerous slope (inb4 beaner) citizenship should be absolutely sacred and untouchable. But it should only be given to white landowning men of good character who are themselves sons of citizens. Under extreme historical moments, it could also be given to white men of good character who have been allowed to immigrate because they provide a good to the country.You shouldn’t argue about the superfluousness of citizenship. You should argue that the granting of it to the shitskin horde is illegitimate, treasonous, and null.
>>528056222>I'm Steve Green, born Dec 8, 1984>record retrievedHave a nice day sir>no file foundYou're going to have to come down and be fingerprinted to establish your identity.I also notice you've changed IPs
>>528056474What if the gov just dont feel like taking your evidence?
If you do not have due process, the government can simply claim a citizen is not a citizen and remove them without oversight. This is why you must have due process for everyone.
>>528053020You leftists spent decades tearing away at the core of America's founding... and you are surprised that this is the result?
>>528056603What if the queen had balls?
>>528056509Yep exactly why they will have to provide birth certificate, social security card, or work visas etc etc to prove they are legal citizens
>>528056603What if the gov just decides to like shoot you or something?
>>528056474>your vax card, sir?
>>528054143What about all those due process rights of the native americans? I believe this shows the scope of whom due process is due.
>>528056694We are getting there.
>>528056603They have no choice it's literally their job
>>528056381>no, it's a civil offenseAnd we're changing the language to make it equivalent to a wartime invasion, because that's what it is, hence the paramilitary garb. You can disagree with that all you want, but that's what we're doing - if you're here illegally, you are not some criminal misdemeanor case, you are an INVADER, and us deporting you is actually us being nice - the proper alternative is to put a bullet in your head and throw your body in the nearest ditch. You're welcome.
>>528056705Kek that's not even on the same tier but I get what you're getting at I don't have one because I'm not nigger cattle
>>528056729>They have no choice it's literally their job"Its Fake, Put him on the plane" what do you do next?
>>528056728Why didn’t they just shoot the niggers when they tried to vote in 2024?
>>528056492>citizenship should be sacred and untouchableI disagree in the strongest possible terms. If a people don't want you in their land, what POSSIBLE CASE could you make to argue that they should be forced to suffer your presence? Go on, I want to hear why you think no one should be able to just kick you the fuck out on a whim. This oughta be good.
>>528056639If you were a citizen, you'd have papers. Papiere, bitten.
>>528056831These fantasy scenarios will never happen so I don't have to worry about it. I'm a redskin anyways so I would just give them my tribal id call up the tribe and have the tribal council deal with it
>>528053162Nigger reply
>>528056685>birth certificate>ssnBoth issued and registered at birth along with birth certificate by county clerk and searchable in State database. Thats why you can identify yourself as legal solely by giving the questioning officer your name and date of birth. Do you expect people to carry around their birth certificate? >DLRealID isn't that easy to forge
>>528056831Wave goodbye as Paco goes back to Shitemala.
>>528056831Get deported
>>528057012Well if that's enough then I suppose it's enough as long as the system works
Due process starts with immigration. You don't get to skip it until it protects you, and then you accept its existance.
>>528053020>belief that men are born with rightsWhite men. Not niggers. Not women. Not Jews. Not brown mutts. White men. Especially not the Native Americans. Founders and beyond knew savage browns didn't deserve rights. America was founded on racism AND sexism. I can assure you no Democrat wants to return to what the founders wanted. Because that means return to white men only voting and patriarchy. You fucks literally teach this in schools to - Dems want you to hate old America really badly. Especially slavery that Jews brought over. Man are they still livid about that. Shame they fell for it and "forgot" Jews did the heckin racism and brought all those slaves over.
>>528052310 imagine being in a war with... lets say... north korea.and in the middle of it, north koreans soldiers are like, imma just cross the border, i definitely have no ill intentions.and ur like, nope get out of here.they scream, but i need due process!!!!they are not citizens. idc if u made laws to make it harder to stop intentional harm to the country.they dont deserve due process if they arent citizens.>but how do you know they are, or are notthis has already been discussed in court, and proven they know how to tell. (do i know what that is? no, but they had enough evidence to prove to corrupt judges, even they had to stop getting involved, and let ICE continue. if i were to guess, its probably all the free fucking cell phones they gave out, as well as free debit cards. and used that to track them all down. but they werent allowed to say openly, to avoid giving away their method of knowing)
>>528057090If the system stops working then it doesn't matter what rules govern it retard.
>dead ofHerbs to owly paid street shitter social engineering bot.
>>528056492America is a shithole right now, the 'dangerous slope' was passed in the 1960s before I was even born. Politicians owned by china like the boston mayor, gene wu or eric swallwell are calling for total white death. The point of acceleration is that we are going to accelerate right to Caesarism and suddenly all these chink loving kike puppet anti-white cucks will be screaming as they get hauled off to maximum security detention centers for treason.
>>528057178You just revamp the system until it works again ie requiring more proof of being a legal citizen like social security numbers, birth certificate, drivers license, work visas etc etc
>>528056055MUHPRINCIPLESIT'S DA BOTSFuck off you boomer lolbergtarian trash, /pol/ has been calling faggots like you out on being pathetic cucks for years. Oh muh principles meanwhile 1 million illegal babies are born in america each year. Muh principles as the US turns into brazil. Muh principles as the communist browns vote to destroy america anyway.Fuck you.
>>528052310>Oh well, Civil War it isNo one's bothering with civil war over South American monkeys. Not twice, anyway.
>>528052310Nobody is above the lawExcept us
>>528057183As long as they get due process before the rope gets put around their necks, lmao.These fucks arguing in here act like "the law" is some sacred idol, some golden calf. I take great pleasure in watching their reactions to ICE tearing their stupid idols down around their fucking heads.
>>528056912>>528057183Fellas, I wasn’t clear. I sincerely wish you a total kike death race war now, extreme deportations with prejudice.All I’m saying is that you should remove citizenship from invaders on the grounds that they’re invaders, not on the grounds that any current power can revoke citizenship.
>>528057364Correct. We say what the law is or isn't. You don't have to like it, but don't pretend like you have any say in the matter. We ARE the law, and we say "get fucked, shitskins".
Wow, imagine one branch having all the power since they enforce the law. Trump has no reason not to destroy the country that will likely hunt him down if he leaves office.
>>528053020> the core of America's founding was the belief that men are born with rightsWhite Christian men. None of the founding fathers would have considered a Venezuelan human. And they would be right.
>>528057362>No one is bothering Civil War over your right to prove the government is on the wrong. Is that the flavor of boot you like?
>>528056055Post nationalists, socialists and glowies want America as we know it dead. I hold fast to my faith that the values of the Constitution and Bill of Rights hold general appeal. I believe those who dream of genocide and techno-slavery will fail. There's nothing inspiring or capable of nourishing hope, life and wonder in their dismal value system.
>>528052310Venezuelans are entitled to due process in Venezuela.
>>528056325True, but doing that has a political cost, and a protocol to follow. I'm not sure how it works in America, but here for example changing a law is easy as fuck for any major party, it just takes a vote, but changing the Constitution takes multiple votes that have to be won by a margin, so it rarely happens.This kinda shit matters because... Eh, it's your own defense against misuse of law enforcement against you, could be useful
>>528052310The winning never stops!
>>528052310They got the process due to their illegal status. I don't see anything wrong with this.
>>528057489You are licking a kosher boot.
>>528057431You're being pedantic. Even just "calling them invaders" is a flimsy rationale, ultimately it all boils down to "TPTB decided you're no longer welcome, and that's that". You can call it what you want, but that's what it is. It IS "authorities revoking citizenship". They don't need to justify it, because they're the authority. They DO justify it, but it's just a pretense, a polite fiction.There's no justification needed. Your complaint is merely tone policing. Stop it.
>>528053517>not white>doesn’t speak English Pretty simple. If they do speak English then it would be awfully simply to present proof of citizenship
>>528052664And that's why youre losing. You keep resting on the laurels of greater men than you. If I misgender you you'll have a nervous breakdown. Sit down.
anyone trying to stop the removal of illegals needs to be executed
>>528053020Uhhh YIKES. What about non-binary 2S otherkin?Do betterDo MUCH better
>>528057489>n-no, it's the g-government b-being wrong!Have you been in cryopreservation since before Watergate or something? Have you sustained a head injury? We know. We don't care. The whole works could break and most people would still show up to work at Dollar Tree.
>>528052310nononono you dont understand its about ARE DEMOCRACY!
>>528057287>But what if that system doesn't work?You see how this goes Corky? The current system of catch and deport is working just fine.
>>528052310>liberals will go to war over criminal illegal venezuelanshahahahahahaha shut the fuck up you faggot
>>528053157I thought you believed in a *LIVING*, *BREATHING* constitution? I thought you leftists didnt care about what a bunch of "dead white guys" think?
>>528057587No, changing the Constitution is as simple as saying "We don't follow this shit constitution, and we're not going to enforce it, come and try to to make us".That's what our first Civil War was about: the Confederacy said "fuck you" to the Union's rules, and that was it - no more Constitution for the Confederacy, they made their own Constitution and everything.Changing the law is as easy as picking up a gun and killing the guy who disagrees. No, we don't actually do that. Usually. But that's how simple it can be. And all the paperwork and laws and rules in the world will never, ever stop that from being a reality.
>>528057865I'm all for it I'm just replying to that other anon that asked so I gave a proper solution
>>528054420The constitution was written by dead white guys with 8th grade educationsBye bye Venezuelans :)
>>528057591>...from Venezuela.Imagine cheering to keep Venezuelans
>>528055862Citizenry is contingent on following US laws and customs. If I emigrated to the UK, I would no longer have free speech rights and could expect to be jailed for anything posted on social media they didn't like. They could legally revoke my UK citizenship based on something as petty as a social media post because it's illegal there. The same is true of the US - if you want to come here and are a criminal according to ANY of our laws, we can deport your ass right on back. There isn't a magical trial by jury where kikes could over rule the law here - just like a UK judge could say "you broke the law, back you go" a US judge can say "well, we have photos of you spraying a swastika, that is hate speech, back you go". That is all it takes. Any petty ass law broken - back you go. That is how it works in all other countries. We all live in surveillance states now, so we have proof of TONS of shit just lying around thanks to dumb cunts carrying a listening device (a phone) in their pockets at all time and cameras posted everywhere. All it takes is a single drug pickup, a single call to a cartel member for drugs/money, a photo of you with the cartel at a flee market, shit is too easy for the state now. Sure you lefties ASSUME there is no evidence, but bad news for you is there is always evidence, the state just withholds it from you because "it makes you racist". These people are always proven fraudsters, gang bangers, druggies. You just aren't allowed to see HOW the state knows because you'd freak out at how often your rights are violated.
>>528054084Are they fake according to the country I'm sent to? Or wait, do you think the country I'm going to be sent to is like the US used to be and they have an open border policy or some shit?>>528055967A process the supreme court has backed, yet noted there are loopholes around. Particularly the part of the 14th amendment which states >"within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"In which case with Jose the jurisdiction is "mexico" or "literally who" if they're extra undocumented and have no way to identify which jurisdiction said nameless person falls under. So legally under the constitution we have to abide by this by deporting him. Glad I could help.
>>528054241You're an NPC who repeats semitic nonsense about history and don't actually know anything about it. You're also a simp who thinks women should have a say over how my life is run
>>528057679I’m not tone policing and it wouldn’t be my place to anyway. I’m not saying there should be an extra hoop to jump for deportation. Also, I’m aware that my rationale isn’t that solid. I’m saying that the national narrative should be that citizenship is sacred, because that makes the nation strong, as opposed to letting any administration choose who it wants to un-citizen, because i guarantee you that future administrations will use that precedent to fuck with nationalist white men. Peace, I’m out.
>>528052310>Fight a civil war>For Somalian fraudsters, and Guata rapists>Doing it for freeNGMI
>>528058076Not an argumentLIVING, BREATHING constitution Bye Venezuelans :)
>>528052310LOLSeethe harder, shitbrown
>>528053020>the core of America's founding was the belief that men are born with rightsYes and due process isn't one of them. Unless you think courts and juries are part of the natural order.Even under the most charitable interpretations of due process clauses, most of these people are captured as a result of dodging immigration hearings in the first place which plainly covers most expectations of notice and being afforded a chance to be heard. Getting bagged and sent home is usually the second step. These people aren't getting swept away on a hunch, even if ICE's secrecy and employment of dumbasses causes controversy.
>>528058218Gee, Paco, your own government does not do thisFuck off
>>528052528I don't want the women to die if they'll give me tender lovin
>>528052528Now say it without the memefag, faggot
>>528052310Not a citizen, foreign invader. Checkmate, atheists.
>>528058282Lol this, you know no other country on the planet would let illegals stay in their country for free
>>528058218Words on paper do not make a nation strong. That's all that citizenship is anyway.What makes a nation strong is what has always made it strong: blood. There's no kinship if you aren't kin, and if you're a shitskin, you're DEFINITELY not kin to heritage Americans. So off you go. Come up with whatever politically correct phrasing you like, it ALL comes down to blood and soil.
>>528052664>You niggers speak as if you didnt lost the last oneanon, go back look at the men on both sides of the american civil war - they were of equal quality as men. Now look at modern leftists. Never before in the history of the world has either side of a civil conflict boasted the rank and file that would exist on the modern left today and that is a fact. Show me a civil war where on one side was a conglomerate of niggers, trannies, faggots, women, and SSRI demons who get panic attacks from people clapping too loudly.
>>528058282We are ruled by a literal jew, and you misread my posts.
>>528054334They did rape. Last time, a DHS here said. There were several rapists among ICE, and they were locked up for it.
Seeing Democrats become constitution thumpers is funny
>>528058540Rightoids are retreating from all of their own positions except racism
>>528052310The left seriously thinks that being deported to your home country is such an unreasonable, cruel, and unusual punishment that it needs to waste a whole court trial, by the millions for each deportee. It's not feasible or necessary, it's not a cruel act. You want to fight a civil war over this? Then you're retarded and should die.
There's literally 10s of millions of them. Declare martial law and kill them.
>>528058656Makes sense as liberals have morphed into strict constitutionalists but for some reason only for illegal aliens and the people who support their exploitation.
>>528058483Never in history has a leader been able to stop rank and file soldiers from rape, looting, pillaging, and other such indecencies. Not completely, anyway.You're always going to get some savages in any army you create. Comes with the territory, unfortunately. You punish them as you find them and then carry on. That's what every army has done throughout all human history. The ones that didn't explicitly encourage it, anyway, like pretty much all non-whites.
>>528058702If they cared so much they should move to the country that they are trying to fight for and try to make their country a better place instead of making their supposed fellow legal citizens suffer.
>>528056831>BuT wHaT aBoUt My StRaWmAn ArGuEmEnT?!?! Well that would be a crime, now wouldn't it? Good thing that's not what's happening nor will that happen. But you keep raising that strawman in every thread, I'm sure it'll start working eventually.
>>528052528Fpbp
>>528056286>prove they are an invading armyFunnily enough, you actually can because machine gun possession and explosive possession is federally illegal, and depending on what state line you crossed, even open carry of semi-autos and rifles would be illegal. So an invading army, being armed with all sorts of illegal armaments, would be clearly illegal on their face thanks to carrying weapons of war. That would include tanks and other land vehicles with explosive armaments included. That is assuming they weren't wearing a uniform and flag of another country that immediately outs them as an army. By the way, flag waving ANY OTHER COUNTRY'S FLAG in the US is grounds for considering you a traitor as a citizen or non-citizen (providing aid and comfort to enemies). That means if you fly a mexican flag - that is aid to US enemies (and 2 witnesses see you flying said flag or we get photo evidence of it). You can technically fly a Israeli flag because they are "muh ally", but if you fly any nation's flag we are hostile to you become a traitor. We just ignore your crimes because kikes like it, and they are in charge. Until you fly Palestine or Iran's flag. Then it's jail time for you.
>>528058809You think they give a shit about their "fellow citizens" suffering? That's 95% of the reason we're kicking them the fuck out to begin with!
>>528052310Fire prices is for citizens.
>>528058656? we've always wanted to deport illegals?
>>528058919No I know they don't
>>528058913>Buh my wild paranoid delusions! If you enforce the law, the US becomes a totalitarian state immediately! Lol shut the fuck up, nigger lover.
>>528058913If they aren't wearing a uniform or bearing a flag, they're not just invaders, they're in violation of the Geneva Conventions regarding wartime use of armed soldiers posing as civilians for purposes of infiltration or sabotage. At that point, we would be justified in just putting a bullet in their heads immediately, no trial necessary.
>>528058952That’s the racism
>>528052310You want due process? Here it is.
>>528058702>Deporting them back to Venezuela/Haiti is a death sentence!>If you call Venezuela/Haiti a shithole you're a racistOne my favorite ones. Top 5, maybe top 3
You won't so shit. Boring ass country nothing ever happens, you all just there being taxed by pedos and donating your foreskin to Israel.
>>528059103We should make sure they know that coming here illegally is ALSO a death sentence. They'd be less likely to come here in the first place if we just machinegunned them down whenever we find them.
>>528056325>VERY weak argument, because the law is changeableNot to mention that enforcement of a law is what matters, not the law itself. If no jackboot shows up to step on your throat for violating the law, it's not "really" a law or ordinance. And of course multi-standards can exist when selective enforcement applies the law. Like rape being legal for women and illegal for men. Sure the law pretends its illegal for both, but in practice it's mostly legal for women to rape. Same for letting browns do crime and killing whites for the same crime. The law shifts from being A is a crime, to A is a crime if white.
Do people really not want due process for foreigners in America? Seems like a retarded, shortsighted thing to advocate foor. Like if a tourist commits a crime in America, they should be put on trial for it because they broke a LAW just like how illegals broke a LAW and have to be put on trial too. You can't pick and choose over it either, once foreigners have no due process then say goodbye to tourism because who the fucks wants to travel to a lawless shithole where you can get nicked off the street for anything or have crimes committed against you with no repercussions?
>>528059100greasy worm
>>528059240Difficult when half the country is calling the enforcement of law racist n shiet
>>528056665>belief in the limitations of the constitution is leftism nowI hate you fags like you wouldn't believe.
>>528052310Everyone knows once you cross the magical border line you're suddenly owed a trial before being pushed back over the line. A force field physically stops illegal aliens from crossing back over until they are given a trial to determine exactly how illegal it was for them to cross the line. There are of course, numerous levels of illegality to crossing the magical line and spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to determine exactly how illegally you crossed the line makes perfect sense. This is how it's been done in every country for all human history after the point we created nation-states. At that time God updated Earth to patch 1.67 which, amongst other changes like giving Jews demonic powers over goyim, it added the magical barrier to all nations which makes anyone that steps across require a trial before they can get through the force field to the other side again. You really think countries wasting thousands on a single trial out of millions would be done if there wasn't a magical force field keeping the illegals here otherwise?Of course not, we have to work within God's law. You don't wanna know what happened to the people that experimented with the limits of the force field and its laws. They had an illegal alien stand right inside the border and then legally changed the border so he was outside of it by about 10 feet. Like a real life physics glitch he was immediately thrown forward at several Gs and flew over a thousand feet before landing. He died from the initial force of the throw almost certainly snapping his neck/brain steam so at least he didn't suffer.
>>528052528>You will be deported yourself>B-bbut I'm an American citizen!>Sorry, chud. No due process for you to prove that. Our records indicate you are a regular anti-semitic poster. Enjoy your time in guatemala super prison
>>528059057Sad part is I really cant tell if this is bait or not
>>528059319I'm just asking for the practice of some goddamn standards here because if you're willing to ditch certain rights altogether in the name of speeding up your policies then it's absolutely going to come back to bite you in the ass in the future and for our American friends here, they're incapable of understand the consequences of their own actions so ideally these standards should be mainted for their own benefit and security.
>>528059319>enforcement of law If only DHS had been able to invalidate her refugee status and send agents to pick her up and deport her, she might still be alive
>>528057945That's an option too, but then you have a civil war.That's pretty bad for the economy.
>>528059377
so if being venezualan means you get no due process then what stops the government from just calling you a venzuelan and disappearing you and you cant do shit because you dont get a chance to prove your identity in court?
>>528052310>dead of due processDid you mean "death", you fucking ESL? gtfo you faggot
>>528052310>Oh well, Civil War it...ACK
>>528052310Rare W for Trump's DOJ. Make these foreign dyke judges enforce their judgements. Andrew Jackson approved.
>>528052310illegals do not get due procees because they were never in the country legally. only legal citizens get due process. how this is hard to understand for libtards I will never understand. bring on the civil war. i want to kill you.
>>528059514Kek fucked up part is she would still be alive because she wouldn't have been killed by democrats pet nigger
>>528059594You don't have to prove your identity in court as a legal citizen you are able to on spot it's not rocket science
>>528059505I personally agree non-citizens should receive due process, common law and all that. But right now half the country doesn't want the law enforced because that would be racist or some retarded shit.
>>528056055t. bot
>>528052664You are not a World War 2 vet. You are farting into your gamer chair while typing this.
>>528059240>>528059505See>>528058986
>>528052310I'm pretty sure invaders get only the due process of being removed. They're lucky we're not executing them.
>>528059811right but what do you do when they arbitrarily dismiss your identification as fake or just ignore it and decide to detain you anyway?
>>528052310>fascist banana republic talking about due process Ok now I've seen everything.
>>528052310>nature of a persons crime is that they are here illegally>the evidence is both their lack of documentation and their presence>for some reason we need a court to establish this and waste timeThats all this is, its wasting time. This isnt murder or theft, the individuals are beyond a shadow of a doubt guilty. They are not getting a plea bargain or any other bullshit either or facing punishment that involves the American penal system. They will be deported, literally thats it. A trial would just be>are you a citizen?>no>are you here legally?>no>were you ever here legally?>noAnd then rule for them to be deported, that's what this will be. Its all just about stalling and clogging the courts with these fucking cases to slow down deportation. They know it, you know it, I know it.
>>528059817I mean sure, one side being totally fucking retarded doesn't give your side free license to be even more retarded about it.>>528059915Have fun with your future palantir™ sponsored surveillance state.
>>528059982You provide other prove of citizenship or birth certificate, social security number, work visa, etc etc
>>528060068*Proof*
>>528055862>Yes it does you absolute moronYou're wrong and brown.
>>528052310>invade a country and then attack>civil warlol theres no pity where we are going
>>528052310>Oh well, Civil War it isyou won't do shit, tranny
>>528060068...but what do you do when they arbitrarily dismiss your identification as fake or just ignore it and decide to detain you anyway? you aren't answering the question
>>528054600>You don't get a defense and your just black bagged to somewhere. Ya know, being your student visa was out of date.Sounds about right. Yes.
>>528059982Who gives a shit about your retarded hypotheticals, which amounts to nothing but concern fagging?
>>528060068>You provide other prove of citizenshipYes... but how do you do this when you're locked in a jail cell, with no lawyer, no court appearance, and guards who beat the shit out of you simply for demanding the chance to prove you're a citizen?Because that's what no due process looks like.I don't think anyone ITT really understand the implications of no due process. It means proof become irrelevant. Proof of citizenship has no place in determining if you're a citizen. They say if you go, and you don't get to say no, even if you're an American.
>>528060019I'll take it if it means less shitskins and faggots and cunts keep their fucking pieholes shut for five minutes. You just don't like it because you're not the one wearing the boot. Now lick it, nigger lover.
>>528060218I am they wouldn't that's never happened in any instance with a natural born citizen
>>528055133>when the dems inevitably take power again>inevitablyDems are never winning a national election again
>>528060301See>>528058986
>>528060301You're making up fantasy scenarios that will never happen
>>528052731You could be deported with no due process too, there's nothing stopping them. It would be for anti-semitism and to the Arab car salesman's human rights violating prisons in El Salvador too.
>>528053157What does the constitution say about abortion?
>>528060218A court could do that as well. Trust the process bro. These hypotheticals can extend all the way up the chain. Sounds like tough shit for Roberto bean bean. Shoulda learned English, that was the first tip off he wasnt a citizen.
>>528052310>Oh well, Civil War it isYou're gonna get your head blown off to keep the government from deporting illegal migrants?I've got my doubts faggot.
>>528052664>didn't lost last oneSmelly brown hands wrote this
>>528060373And here we were, 20 years ago saying mass lethal injections and worldwide wars for Israel around the globe were a fantasy.
>>528060314So what will you do when the boot is on the other foot? Reckon that's a fight you can win or will you accept the new system that you helped built? It's all fun and games until you're the one that's knee-deep in the shit.
>>528053196Going to VZLA as a gringo is signing up for coerced organ donation at this point.
>>528053157>THE CONSTITUTIONIf they got deported they got processedIf they got processed and then had a deportation order they were criminalsDue process was not deprived, they have no obligation to provide FURTHER process.
You know what, I figured out a way these fags can get their due process. >put them on trial>when they are found guilty sentence them to 20 years of community service>have them do public works projects and government assignments
>>528060615If you're a legal citizen you will be able to prove it
>>528060315but that's not true,they've detained hundreds of American citizens including nature born oneshttps://abcnews.go.com/US/us-born-citizen-sues-after-arrested-immigration-agents/story?id=126129734
>>528060271I love how people keep posting that here, completely oblivious to how it applies to themselves.I want you to look up what projecting means.
>>528054600What should be done instead? Just let them roam around doing whatever they want and never leaving? The visa was going to expire. Why didn't he apply for an extension, a different visa or marry his girl and apply for citizenship? Not like he didn't have options. Instead he chose to do nothing about it, let it lapse and go into hiding. Zero sympathy.
>>528060616Well I guess we'll see, won't we? I already saw what they did when the shoe was on the other foot. What makes you think we're going to allow them to ever try that shoe on again? :)
>>528053020hold on, you are fundamentally confused if you think that means every rule the US has created for its governing is also a divine mandate that applies to everyone universally.The founders were saying 'because everyone has these basic rights and ours are being infringed we are splitting off from england and running ourselves'. They then went to write down how their self government would look and added agreed upon mechanisms, these where just democratically arrived rules for the new state to govern itself with, they dont apply to the entire world universally and the fact that they added rules for changing the rules means they dont even consider them set in stone for america.
>>528060619You would be surprised. Maybe even live better than in the US
>>528054084> 87 IQ bootlicking miggers can’t answer this without resorting to empty shitpostingThey’re the same as leftniggers, empty headed cultists who don’t understand our institutions but profess unvetted radical change nonetheless based off their chronically online fantasies.Miggers, due to being low IQ high school dropouts who work the fields with spics and niggers, don’t understand that due process isn’t a kindness extended to the prosecuted party. It’s an accountability measure for the benefit of the taxpayer who is funding the prosecution. “ shieeeet nigguh all them rules is so gay and confusing, just let them do whatever they want with no set procedures or accountability or civilization or any of that gay crackah shit niggiuuuuh”> miggerniggers
>>528060725Shit well he should be lucky and grateful that happened now he's loaded sounds like a scheme to me to be quite honest lol a good one at that
>>528059594Yes I am sure the 6'4 blonde haired blue eyed gentleman from the Midwest is going to be easily labeled as Venuzuelan
>>528060616>dood what if the left keeps doing what they've been doing since the end of WW2?? Bet you didn't think about that!
>>528060808>Maybe even live better than in the USAre Germans really this fucking delusional?
>>528052310I can't wait for the executive order that makes all antisemites non-citizens and deports them without due process >T-t-this would never happen Hahaha
>>528060812>That spacing>Simping for third worlders
>>528060844what exactly is stopping that from happening if you have no opportunity to contest your detention?
>>528058227>he think I have to argue with himhaha
>>528060785Oh great, more larping.Just like when Charlie Kirk died you're going to piss yourself crying, but this time about "cheating"
>>528060373This has actually happened multiple times already, you’re just in a cult.Besides, rules and regulations are supposed to be airtight and preventative in White nations. Only niggers operate off of vibes and just crossing their fingers that the fenthead high school dropouts who go into the public sector will do the right thing out of the goodness of their patriotic hearts.You’re bending over backwards to defend zero accountability for feds just because you think they’ll only ever use their newfound powers to own the libs. This makes you a dumb nigger and a communist authoritarian. You should be deported or executed for High Treason.
>>528060978They don't bother doing that in other countries so why should they in America you would be lucky if you weren't locked up forever with key thrown away in some other country
>>528060982
>>528054084How can they prove its fake? >inb4 they can just say it isThey can't they cannot deny due process until your identity is known, and thus you would have to be investigated and evidence would prove them wrong, You are trying to create a scenario that logically would not occur because you know you cannot defend illegals getting a trial to establish what is known upon a basic background check.
>>528060929You are a nigger. I am right and you are wrong. I accept your concession, miggernigger.
>>528060785>What makes you think we're going to allow them to ever try that shoe on again? :)"We" assumes you have a choice in the matter but for your sake I hope it stays like that forever because something gives me the impression that in spite of all your talk you aren't willing to fall on your sword for your ideals.
>>528060918i hope this happensdeport all antisemites, all critical theorists, everyone whos worldview is based on 'x is bad and is somehow responsible for everything', everyone who has become obsessed with an echo chambered false reality needs to go live in africa for a while and start over.
>>528061033IDC about browns or blacks I won't have a hard time at proving me being a legal citizen
>>528061115*At all*
>>528061090"If you oppose unlimited third world immigration, you like Trump" - The least retarded tranny
>>528061067Yes they can you dumb ugly nigger. A man with a gun and no accountability can do whatever he wants to a man without a gun who needs to follow the law.
>>528052310why does anyone even talk about fucking venezuelans? deport and forget
>>528060882>Free access to education>Free access to health services>No fent zombiesYour murrican wage probably lasts longer there as well.
>>528060978>if you have no opportunity to contest your detention?Except you can since they have to prove you are part of that group first and physical appearance is the first part in showing how its not the case.
>>528061161I want a border wall (which orange nigger NEVER delivered on). I want zero immigration. I’m just not brainwashed by kikes and their uniparty death cult like you are.
>>528060725Detaining and arresting US citizens is legal for ICE if they impede their work or commit a crime around them.What's not legal is keeping them once they confirm they're Americans, they have to hand them off to the regular feds who then usually cut them loose.The guy in that article was arrested as part of larger operations at the locations, and once his citizenship was CONFIRMED he was let go.
>>528052310>Foreigners don't get automatic rights that make it impossible to remove themNo really?>>528053195All legal citizens have valid documents proving they are citizens.That's it."Due process" in strict legal terms, as in what is afforded to citizens, means they get a lengthy court hearing and the result is subject to interpretation in the context of prior cases to see if they are technically a citizen because lawyer rabbi shmulberg once argued something to an impressionable jury, and it gets appealed five times if they don't get the result they want while applying for asylum status, refugee status, and a work permit."No due process" means a cut and dry, spirit of the law ruling. NO PAPERS, NOT AMERICAN.
>>528061163Except he does have accountability since he reports to someone who reports to someone else. You niggers keep pushing your asinine scenario because you cant handle your sacred spics being kicked out without it clogging up the legal system.
>>528053738>but what if they break the law to arrest you Same thing as anyone else you disingenuous nigger. If you’re going to say the whole system is breaking the law to collude against you already, why would one more step matter?Kill yourself niggerlover.
>>528061187>Except you can since they have to prove you are part of that group firstno they dont? who is going to stop them? they dont have to prove anything if there's no trial, hence why they regularly arrest and even deported an American citizen
>>528061187No they don’t retard. The have guns and you don’t. Unless you have access to other men with guns willing to defend your rights, either directly through independent police or indirectly through the courts, none of your “rights” matter.What are you, twelve?
>>528061185>Ze services are free I saw it in der spiegelAre you shitposting or one of those faggots from Berlin?
>>528060982Yet we're still in power and popping your retard protesters with nary an issue. Looks like you didn't accomplish shit, ratfaced leftist. >>528061101>but for your sakeYou are no different than I, you salivate at revenge when your side is back in power. But it never will be. I mean, why the fuck would anybody vote for the left at this point, you people are dickless confused losers who already fucked up the country badly, but also: why would we give up power? If you think ICE is bad, imagine the military opening fire on one of your jerkoff protests. Or the people supporting the military opening fire on you retards and joining in. No, I don't think we'll be allowing you freaks back into power, after all. Enjoy the taste of the boot, leftist subhuman ;)
>>528061244No you fucking don't, you are some nigger with a messiah complex that wants infinite browns flooding into the country.
>>528061267and what if they dont let them go?
>>528061299No he doesn’t you dumb nigger. Are you pretending to be retarded? It’s amazing how much of leftist and migger discourse is just them pretending not to understand things.I hate all you cultist bootlickers. I am better than you.
>>528061301Liberals misinterpret consistency and precedent constantly. They think that if we eat beef we must eventually eat people because ethical consistency with the value of sentient beings. But how do you APPLY that? HUMANS ARE NOT THEORETICAL PEOPLE IN PHILOSOPHICAL/LEGAL DEBATES! It can't be applied because the rules are rough abstractions meant to guide, not define, behavior.If we dont give illegals lengthy court hearings and just go: "proof of citizenship, yes or no?" to them that is the same as deporting people arbitrarily because.. the precedent and the principles sound like that on paper. But how do you apply that? You can't. If they have papers they have opportunities galore to bitch on the way out.
>>528061244Sure thing enlightened one, are the zionist bootlickers in the room right now?
>>528061466Yes I do. Reality is just inconvenient for you so you make up a strawman that’s easier to seethe about. You’re seething at ghosts.Where is my wall, you JIDF shill kike?
>>528060373>that will never happenThat's literally what due process means, and it's already happened.Due process is legal lawyer talk for presenting proof in court.With no due process, you're not even allowed to prove your citizenship.It means you can have your birth certificate in hand that says your a citizen and they'll just shoot you cause the paper looked like a gun, and with no due process or chance to prove what happened, they can get away with saying your birth certificate looked like a gun.That is what the DOJ is trying to normalize. You idiots may be dumb but you can't truly and sincerely believe this is good.
>>528061552Where is my wall, pajeet?
>>528061589>Let's clog up the immigration system so that Paco can have his day in court
>>528061470They have to if they have proof of citizenship. They can't arrest them if they have proof of citizenship. That's it. You've misinterpreted due process to mean a broad abstraction of a magical "right" when it actually means ALL of the legal implications of it.Violating due process as it stands does not mean upending law itself, it means regressing to a more general application of the law and skipping the "enhanced due process" afforded to citizens because a trial is not needed to prove citizenship.>>528061589That's how principles and entitlement work in theoretical debates, but not how real life works."IF WE DEPORT NON CITIZENS WE CAN DEPORT ANYONE"No, libtard, despite all the debates you have had, precedent and consistency do not fucking exist. Get it through your skull.
>>528061352>no they dontYes they do since they actually have procedures in which they follow and you would know that if you weren't chugging partisan propaganda like cum. > they dont have to prove anythingThey do since they are part of a federal organization where reports need to be written up and incidents need to be documented.>>528061353>No they don’tThey do read above you pathetic VPN nigger, imagine being so fucking stupid that you have to samefag and repeat the exact same shit and post at the same time.
>>528061700This, if they have proof of citizenship they won't be arrested simple as
>>52806158990% of the population is too low IQ to even bother reasoning with. They’re genuinely biologically incapable of understanding second order consequences or abstraction. IT’s not their fault, they simply don’t have the hardware to participate in society in anyway except through the sweat of their brows.They belong in the fields and factories serving their 120+ IQ, without access to t news, voting rights, or the internet in general. This is the ideal social structure. Sub-120s are cattle.
>>528061477>No he doesn’tHey retard, you forgot to switch, your posted ID is the same, but good job showing that it is just you pushing this shit.
>>528061406Just saying you would be surprised. You think you will lose an organ. I think they will treat you pretty good.
>>528061445Well that's a reply packed with assumptions. I can't say for sure that nobody in America will ever vote the democrats back in but in the event that they do you're gonna pretty silly if you're willing to admit that much.
>>528061700>They have to if they have proof of citizenship. They can't arrest them if they have proof of citizenship.but if you have no opportunity to contest your arrest then whats to stop them from just saying you're not a citizen?
>>528061629>Y-you're from india
>>528061702You’re lying though. Everybody knows miggerbots are never actually held accountable for fucking up. The administration supports them ideologically so none of the paperwork actually matters. They will never investigate one of their own or risk looking weak or uncertain about their mission. It’s all theater for sub-120 IQ goyim like you.
>>528061702>ce they actually have procedures in which they followbut what if they dont follow procedures?
>>528061782This just isn’t true, there are many documented cases of this happening. You are either retarded, a liar, or a paid pajeet shill.
>>528054600> They claim you did this or that, don't show or prove it at all. You don't get a defense and you’re just black bagged to somewhere. Ya know, being your student visa was out of date.What’s wrong about this? Morally speaking.
>>528061807>Keeps simping for third world shitskin country>No denial of being a leftistI accept your concession and you'll never be a woman
>>528061882You are. Only pajeets support MIGA know.
>>528061889This nigger is so desperate he now has to make up scenarios just to keep going. He needs to pretend he is nonpartisan while he larps as other people and >goyimAnd the kike takes off the mask, your nose was already poking through moise.
>>528061868You contest your arrest by providing your a citizen with your driver's license, social security number, birth certificate, work visa etc etc you won't get arrested if you can prove you're a legal citizen it's not rocket science.
>>528061915But what if they do, kike?
>>528061991
>>528061927Yeah and if it does happen sue you will be rich so why does it matter and you go back to your regular day in America afterwards
>>528061061Wow, anon.Some racemixer in fear for his life shot a single libtard. The rightwing has finally had enough and they're going to start murdering whites with bad opinions.Can I get a picture of a dead kike with a side of epic bacon next?It's funny how only a few years earlier this was rightwing boomers for refusing to wear their face diapers, and you think it won't be turned back on you next lol.>>528061445>Yet we're still in power and popping your retard protesters with nary an issue.Yeah, that's what presidential terms mean, retard.And you absolutely are facing issues for it, you've successfully turned most moderates away from your party despite the democrats being horrendous.>Looks like you didn't accomplish shit, ratfaced leftist. I'm not a leftist and they don't need to accomplish anything.Midterms and subsequent elections are notorious for flipping against the current party, and MAGA has done its best to ensure they lose all future elections.
>>528061951The migger shows his true colors. Miggers and leftists hate America, they hate the rule of law and civilization and wish everything could be like it is back in Mexico/India where they came from, where the only law is how good you are at niggerish violence or kikeish scamming.
>>528062001I’m right and in another thread you will acknowledge this as a fact and say it’s actually based. I accept your concession.
>>528062053You are Indian
>>528062078Sure thing
>>528062097>says the marxist pretending to care about rule of law while he larps as a nonpartisan
>>528062038>You contest your arrest by providing your a citizen with your driver's license, social security number, birth certificate, work visaok but what if you do that and they arrest you anyway and just say you didnt? if you have no trail how exactly are you supposed to prove that you were wrongly detained? >>528062048why are you so afraid to answer the question lol what happens if they dont follow procedures?
>>528062164>The redditor just keeps repeating the line
>>528062068> The law doesn’t matter actually we shouldn’t have rule of law > Just sue bro lol lmaooo The shifting goal posts of migger mental gymnastics never cease to amaze me. I accept your concession; you admit the migger feds are not actually held accountable for anything and can abuse you however you want, but your paper thin cope is “at least I can sue lol”. Concession accepted. I am right, you were wrong.
>>528062126>I’m rightIf you were right you wouldn't need to make shit. > in another thread you will acknowledge thisSchizo moment. They kike has failed so now he needs to act smug while running away as usual.
>>528062179>They're being too mean to Paco and Maria and not following the bureaucratic procedureAnd why should I be concerned?
>>528062179>>528062068Refer to this works out perfectly in the end anyways you spend less money doing this than allowing illegals to leech off of the country
>>528061927Can you source one that is real and not just you being a retard that only reads the headline? I have proven every single poster that has claimed this wrong once they provide their source.
>>528062172Everything I said was 100% true, your empty strawma changes nothing. I am right and you are wrong and you can’t do anything about it except seethe and make shit up.
>>528062179>why are you so afraid to answer the questionWhy are you? I asked a question as well and you are avoiding it while getting made and trying to act smug to cope. Come now its not hard, what if they did follow procedure?
>>528062282because if paco and maria dont get rights it means they can just label you paco and maria and you dont get rights either
>>528061700>they can't arrest them if they have proof of citizenshipThis isn't actually true, they can even when presented ID(since it could be fake) but they need to process and confirm once they're brought in without delay.
>>528062282> That will never actually happen!> Okay maybe it does happen but you can show them your papers please!> Okay they can still do it even if you show them your papers please but you’re probably brown anyway!I can’t wait for you faggots to get rounded up for wrongthink and plead pathetically about how loyal you were to MIGA on the internet. The don’t want you, they don’t need you.
>>528062353anon i asked you the question first, im not going to indulge in your attempts to dodge it. answer the question or concede that you have no answer
>>528062384Miggers are incapable of understanding this. 100% of miggers are sub-120 IQ ans therefore more beast than man. They have tiny, 8-bit souls.
>>528062346Partially, however you are using it to say that clogging the legal system is a nonpartisan point when its something that marxists are pushing since it means their tools of destabilization. You are a poor liar since you are using migger talking points like "bild duh wall" to try and reinforce your position when the wall will do nothing given the state of the southern border.
>>528062179>ok but what if Udk what if the moon blows up? What if Sydney Sweeney suddenly decided she wanted to be my cock sleeve? We shouldn't enforce the law because you extrapolate any "what if?" scenario to the most extreme ends?
>>528062384>It will happen to you, 2 more weeksSee>>528061552
>>528061470If ICE keep them after confirmation and don't hand them off to feds or release them, illegal.If they tell federal agents and THEY choose to leave them with ICE for a while before getting to them, not illegal but normal detainment without charges/court limits apply.
>>528062543A wall is a good thing, it will make illegal crossings much more difficult and allow us to guard the southern border more efficiently. Do you hate borders now, you open-borders commie shitskin? You lost lol.
>>528062485>anon i asked you the question firstIrrelevant, you are trying to dodge my question because you know that you cannot address it since it would tear down everything you have been pushing thus far. > im not going to indulge You are since you are going to keep replying because your ego and need to push you agenda make it impossible for you to stop. All you have is the threat that you will act smug and run away. And all that will do is show that you cannot answer my question.
>>528062694Answer the question you lying pajeet
>>528062460>ARRESTING SHITSKINS IS BAD I AM A TRAD RIGHTIST IGNORE THE SPACING
>>528062556>We shouldn't enforce the law becauseyou are the one advocating for violating the law, though. why try to misrepresent the situation like this? the right to a trial is a fundamental principle of U.S. law for everyone physically present in the United States
>>528062730See >>528062384Giving the government more magic words they can use to deny you your rights is always retarded. You probably fell for the Patriot Act too, if you were even alive back then.
>>528062460>What about my ridiculous scenario? What if that happens??? >Well that's not going to happen, so...>Uh, BUT WHAT IF IT DID??>Uh, I guess show your ID? >OH LOOK AT YOU BACKING DOWN LOL PATHETIC!!!! Stop moving the goal posts. Honestly you are asking people to confirm your own hypotheticals, which is impossible and a fool's errand. Keep making up more hypothetical strawman scenarios to kafka trap people, though. Fortunately nothing you think or say matter, enemy. The only thing about you that matters is either your submission or death.
>>528062741Already answered, their notice of deportation or court date they ignored was their due process. The End.
>>528062634>A wall is a good thingIts not, the Southern border is almost 2000 miles long, it would require constant maintenance not to mention people can just dig under it or take a boat around it. Like I said you are using migger talking points to try and make it seem like you are not some retarded marxists despite defending illegals clogging the legal system to try and make it look like you're non-partisan. You tards always fuck up in the most stupid ways because you lie like shit.
>>528062556You’re the one saying we shouldn’t enforce the law so long as it owns the libs. Newsflash, migger, ALL LAWS are what-if scenarios. The are specifically designed what if scenarios outlining what the expected behavior is and what the consequences are for failing to execute it.
>>528062694i will happily answer your question though, as soon as you answer mine >You are since you are going to keep replying my replies are not indulging your attempts to dodge the question though, im only replying to continue pointing out that you are the once who has chosen to back out of this dialogue since you were the one who made the initial choice to refuse to engage
>>528062717And now he has to jump in as his other persona to back himself up because he realized that he would do exactly what I said. Good show nigger, now go back to spewing migger talking points and crying that I figured you out.
I believe the DOJ is doing the wrong thing. What they should be deporting is people without the vaxx.
>>528055133Oh no, they’re going to do what they’ve done the last couple presidencies. Anything but what we’ve already experienced.
>>528062842that doesn't actually answer the issue though
>>528055278>immediate change topic and give upYou shills are pathetic
>>528062873>blablabla no human is illegal the border crossed us the wall is infeasible anyway bro trust me my abuelita would totally have tunneled under itYou sound like a leftist in 2017. Are you willing to admit that you believe Trump was wrong about this, though? It would prove you have actual opinions of your own and aren’t just in a personality cult.
>>528062925>i will happily answer your question thoughYou wont because you cant, you need to keep stalling because you cant do anything else. >my replies are not indulging He now has to say that it doesn't count while continuing to reply like I said he would. This retard is in shambles and has to keep going because his ego wont let him stop. Very common for jeets.
>>528062885>OK but if I start an all-new argument where I suppose that it is actually YOU not following the law, now you'll have to justify a completely new argument! Nah, we're enforcing the law lawfully. Gumming up the system and catch-and-release shit isn't flying anymore, lefty boy. I'll start worrying when all the brown skins that can't speak english are gone. Deal?
REMINDER: Due process is what the Magna Carta of 1215 was all about. Trump is regressing the west by over 8 centuries.Without the Magna Carta, the King could jail anyone for any reason at all, or no reason at all. This is the power that no king on Earth has had for centuries, but for some reason Trump wants to grant himself this power that's never existed in America.This is not just anit-progressive or anti-woke or anti-progressive but it is in fact pro-regressive. Anyone not in support of due process for everyone is anti-American.
>>528062990Yes it does.
>>528062798> Believing the government should be accountable instead of just being given free reign to fuck with people if they say the magic words “muh terrorist”, “muh illegal”, “muh hate crime”, “muh antisemitism” is ridiculous You are a nigger
>>528063015This retard knowing that he fucked up now has to give a strawman and cry. Also fun little fact you can samefag on here by posting from your PC and phone, just use 5G on the phone and you get a seperate ID, and what do you know this retard is using his phone.>Are you willing to admit that you believe Trump was wrong about thisI just did by saying how the wall wouldn't work. Meanwhile you have done nothing but cry and deflect because you outed yourself.
>>528063145So you're changing topic now or what? Because I'm not interested, timewaster. You are powerless and we will do whatever the fuck you want. Enjoy prison, living on the fringes of society leftist loser!
