Will people ever admit that it was NATO expansionism that started the entire Russia/Ukraine war?
Why shouldn't a country be allowed to join a trade association?
>>528072221>peopleNormies and reddit troons will believe whatever CNN/BBC tells them. Politicans already know it, but will never admit it obviously. High IQ individuals like /pol/ posters know it and say it.
>>528072221NATO lost it's raison d'être when the Warsaw pact and Soviet Union ceased to exist. The Russian Federation is 1/10th the size of NATO. The MIC wasn't ready to just disappear.
>>528072324>Why shouldn't a country be allowed to join a trade association?Because it was just CIA glow niggers that infiltrated the Ukrainian government and tried to force the country into NATO.Ukraine was supposed to be a buffer state between eastern and western powers.
not at all fucking dirty kike, it's was da jooooz, or in short, Jeffrey.
>>528072324Because it’s against the rules to accept countries that are actively being buttfucked to death
>>528072221Putin started the invasion of Ukraine
>>528072661Ukraine started the war in 2014
>>528072796Is Putin not the supreme executive of Russia? Putin chose to invade Ukraine. He ignored good counsel and it has cost him dearly
>>528072221>Will people ever admit that it was NATO expansionism that started the entire Russia/Ukraine warThis is true but everywhere you turn some MSM talking head pre-empts every segment about this war with "Putin's unprovoked attack".. It's funny.
>>528072221>"NOOO NATO is the Good Guy and Damned Dirty Russians are the Bad Guys. Hollywood says so. Even Trump isn't allowed to admit it. He could carve up Ukraine, let the people in Donbas region join Russia, give Putin Black Sea access and this shit would be over in a week.
>>528072324>Why shouldn't...signed agreement after WW2, crossed the line five times You fuck around and find out. Russians have no other choice they wait until last minuteWar begun 2014 it just escalated cached on fire2022 That what happen with piglets ... not really, jew rats created government overthrow to get rats in a public office ... they well financed guided by jews from USAEvery body was hoping that Russians wouldn't dear and get dissolved...There is 33 ways to get bear out of his hole...does any one know way to get him back? ...any one? Keep neutral, is that too much was to ask? Remember what kind of panic was on media when rockets in Cuba was detected? this is same shit.
>>528072221Ukraine https://youtu.be/GGaBcPqLkkUJew Zelensky : guys I never made so much money in my life, please don't stop the war , please! I ask you like a brother from another Jewish mother ...
>>528072324>Why shouldn't a country be allowed to join a trade association?BRICS start support Mexico drug cartels and arm them, create military bases , sand anti American propaganda on TV ...
>>528072221TZD you scum aren't human
>>528072221NopeUkraine has been arming up for a war with Russia since 2014. Retards wont even admit Obama supplied them with deadly weapons systems.The goyim are brainwashed
>>528073100It sucks that it had to work out like this.A US/Russia alliance would have been kino as fuck.
>>528072324https://youtu.be/rgwCEkcMmnE
>>528072324This check it out English https://youtu.be/t4geA0wYSv8
>>528072221Yes. If these countries beg to join NATO then we should have responded “not our problem”. Is it really worth it to expand closer to Russia and anger them further?If those breakaway states are forced to rejoin Russia then that is their fate and we should worry about our own problems first
>>528073596Ukraine has been arming up for a war with Russia since 2014.pidors always get selective amnesia in termes of who actually attacked and invaded first. Hint, it wasn't Ukraine>Obama supplied them with deadly weapons systemskek, such as blankets and helmets.
>>528072541>Ukraine was supposed to be a buffer state between eastern and western powers.not according to pootin, he's always wanted to annex it, starting in 2003 with the Tuzla island incident.
>>528074446You are a faggot shillObama gave.them a billion dollars to go on a lethal.weapons shopping spree after congress authorized sales on NATO.weapons.SemanticsRetard
>>528074717>Obama gave.them a billion dollarsand the sauce for this secret information is...? look pidor, even if Obama helped Ukraine arm, which he most definitely didn't, it would be in like with the Budapest Memorandum guarantees, which pootin and russia broke by invading Ukraine in Crimea. russia started the war, plain and simple.
>>528072221chechnya, syria, armenia, abkhazia, ossetia, transnistria, belarusrussian expansionism was more cutthroat than nato.
>>528072489Clearly it hasnt. Russia is still chimping out. Already invaded and annexed territories of two of its neighbors since 2008. They're niggers, always have been, always will be, you relax around them at your own peril.
>>528074894You are sheepIts pathetic really. You forget the Biden "fire the prosecuter after my son or you dont get the billion" scandal?>https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-weapons-to-ukraine-a-primer/>In a rare show of bipartisanship in 2014, the US Congress passed the Ukraine Freedom Support Act, which appropriated $350 million in security assistance, including anti-tank and anti-armor weapons, to the government of Ukraine to defend its territorial integrity. Despite strong congressional backing, President Barack Obama decided not to authorize the US government sale or financing of lethal weapons to Ukraine. However, this policy did not prevent the private export of US-made lethal weapons to Ukraine.>However, this policy did not prevent the private export of US-made lethal weapons to Ukraine.>https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2828
>>528072221Its a chicken and egg situation. Russia invaded Ukraine out of fear of Ukraine joining NATO. Ukraine wanted to join NATO out of fear of Russian wanting to invade Ukraine. Both are objectively correct int heir assessment of the situation, but if Russia had no intention of attacking Ukraine to grab sea ports and the like Ukraine wouldn't be as strong incentivized to want to join NATO to create a deterrent to that happening.
>>528072221Russia keeps citing some promise that NATO would even go an inch east - what they leave out is this was said in the 80s during the fucking cold war, and also it was literally just some passing comment from one guy at a meeting not an actual signed commitment to anything. We cite the Budapest memorandum where Russia speficially fucking said it would protect Ukraine if it was attacked (lol) in exchange for a real tangible strategic outcome - taking Ukraine's nukes away. A memorandum is not much stronger than a pinky swear in reality, it has no real power to it so the Russians just shit on it anyway. That pledge to not expand NATO eastward from the 80s? Was not even at memorandum level. Not even at a level the Russians themselves at all take as serious hard policy.I don't recall the complete context but I think it was because the USSR was already starting to break up and they were worried that misc nations splintering off would be approached immediately to join NATO as a kind of carrot on a stick, to try to encourage them to flip. We said we would not do that. And we didn't. After the Soviet Union collapsed anyway the entire framework of the conversation was assumed not to apply anymore. It's like arguing deals made with the Third Reich should also apply to Germany postwar. But Russians always saw treaties and promises as just temporary stopgaps that were the best they could fish up at the time that they would later reneg on if they thought they could get away with it.
I agree. But at the same time Trump has bemt over backwards trying to get a negotiation done. Russia's behavior was to start building pipelines to China to sell their gas, turn down the proposals, and then start aggressing towards the Baltics and Poland. Russia has clearly overstepped the defensive narrative and are doing some soviet reconquista shit. Sorry but they can go to hell, every day Putin doesn't negotiate 2000 white people die.
>>528072221>Will people ever admit that it was NATO expansionism that started the entire Russia/Ukraine war?NATO is a purposeless husk that exists to prop up western banking interests, Anon. Euro banks caused the Russia/Ukraine war and then expected NATO to pick up the tab for it.
>>528075135same story as georgia>Following the peaceful Rose Revolution in 2003, Georgia strongly pursued a pro-Western foreign policy, introducing a series of reforms aimed at integration into the European Union and NATO. This Western orientation led to worsening relations with Russia, culminating in the Russo-Georgian War of 2008 and continued Russian occupation of parts of Georgia.russia is a petty bitch about countries not wanting to be part of the rusky mir shithole
>>528075214>We cite the Budapest memorandumThe Budapest memorandum became toilet paper the moment the Maidan Revolution happened. You don't get to overthrow your government and pretend like everyone else has to abide by the agreements they made with it.
>>528072221>how dare you people start a peaceful defensive pact to stop my aggressive expansionism,
>>528072324>trade association>NATO
>>528075542how dare those regions vote to leave? send in the left wing death squads!
>>528075542>peaceful defensive pactAh yes, Operation Noble Anvil and Operation Deliberate Force were very peaceful and defensive.
>>528072221Fuck kind of logic is that?Yes, Russia invaded because they got scared of NATO. Which is a good thing, Russia should not exist. Murderous oligarchs and fascists. Their soldiers were amazed by fucking toilets. They're ignorant and dirty, Russia deserves to lose their government.
>>528075542>peaceful defensive pactYugoslavia didn't do jack shit to NATO.
>>528075622maybe thinking of nafta?
>condemn US expansionism>support Russian expansionismMakes perfect sense
>S-STOP WINNING!!!
>>528075718Who doesn't like turntables?
>>528075643>left wing death squadssoo russia? cuz they've been bitching about muh nazis from beginning lol
>>528072221No such thing.Seethe more pidor
>>528075529So why does the Russian Federation claim sucession from the Soviet Union?
>>528075698>YugoslaviaDid nato annex serbia? how many Russian wars ended in annexation?
>>528075529In that same context literally nothing at all we said to the Soviets about NATO expansion applies at fucking all anymore and the "expansionist" NATO narrative is complete garbage. Putin himself wanted to join NATO before the Iraq war, which changed his mind because he had asked Bush not to invade and was overridden and he didn't like being trivialized. What he felt then was a distinct lack of respect, not wanting to face the music that Russia was not at all equal to the US and went down this path to try to force our respect back.
>>528075718i support self determination
>>528075785nazis are left wing sweetie
>>528072221No, but since Ukraine lost the US will pivot out of Europe, which is what I always wanted. Should have happened in 1991
>>528075823>>528075892The Soviet Union fell in 1991. The Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994. Use your head.
>>528075214disgusting faggot shill>OMG they said it months before the cold war ended! It doesnt count!Ukraine lostCope and seethe>Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).
>>528076000trips of truth
>>528075855Yes, a portion of it is now called Kosovo if you hadn't noticed.
>>528076007I am saying the "no NATO expansion" thing is from before 1991. You can sit there pretending not to understand but it won't work.
>>528072221
>>528075132>President Barack Obama decided not to authorize the US government sale or financing of lethal weapons to Ukraine.kek you're debonking your own claim, pidrila. >this policy did not prevent the private export of US-made lethal weapons to Ukraine.what the fuck does that even mean?and again, ALL of this was in response to the russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014. russia is the aggressor, Ukraine has the right to defend itself.
>>528072894The only good council he ignored was backing off initially and allowing Ukraine to arm while playing silly Minsk II games
>>528075897Yeah, being conquered is serious self determination
>>528076033This is all quite correct. The USSR assumed it would still be existing indefinitely into the 90s and thought "ok we might lose Germany but we can still hold on" but as we know that is not how it turned out. Oh fucking well, get over yourselves russhit shills.
>>528075328>Russia's behavior was to start building pipelines to China to sell their gas,Russia made the gas pipeline deal to Shanghai in 2014 and started construction in 2015 you fucking retarded shill.
>>528075529>The Budapest memorandum became toilet paper the moment the Maidan Revolution happened.by which retarded logic? how are the two things related?
>>528076161>this policy did not prevent the private export of US-made lethal weapons to Ukraine.what the fuck does that even mean?Its funny when you tranny faggot shills play dumb. Everyone knows exactly what it means, you piece of shit.He authorized the sales.of weapons systems.Like I saidStupid nafo troon
>>528076172you know they voted on it, right? not to join russia but to be independent, azov battalion then started murdering them
>>528076379They voted for tanks and missiles?
>>528072221I can think of 350 other reasons why it got to this point
>>528076327why should a new regime be bound by the commitments of the old?
>>528074446>blankets and helmetsthis is the newest and gayest nafo shilling point. kys faggot
>>528076064>I am saying the "no NATO expansion" thing is from before 1991. You can sit there pretending not to understand but it won't work.I absolutely can, since the entire purpose and existence of NATO is to act as an alliance against the Soviet Union which does not exist.>>528076327>how are the two things related?Are you fucking kidding me right now? So in your mind, after the American Civil War, every nation in the world had to uphold their agreements with British Colonial America? Retarded.
>>528076430pretending to not understand making discourse impossible? im shocked
>>528076333>Obama decided not to authorize the US government sale or financing of lethal weapons to Ukraine.>He authorized the sales.of weapons systems.stupid pidrila can't even see how the two statements are mutually exclusive. And which exactly American made weapons systems were imported into Ukraine during Obama's time in office?
>>528076498there's no old or "new" regimes in Ukraine, even russia recognized both elections and both presidents, Poroshenko and Zelensky. The parliament was legitimate throughout the Maidan and until the new elections were held, again, fully recognized by russia. So this stupid argument is nonsense, russia has not denounced ANY bilateral agreements with Ukraine prior to 2014, none.
Right now, with America a part of it, NATO feels pretty pointless. But If America leaves NATO everyone else Staying in NATO seems like the most prudent thing to do. All those countries leaving tripwire troops in Greenland guaranteeing a full blown American-EU war if Trump sent in troops being the sneak peak at the kind of shit a post America NATO would be needed for.
>>528072221what started it was eu nations trying to push ukraine joining just to piss off russiaolder members and the us said nonot to mention nato/ eu doing the maidan revolution in kiev and putting in zolynskiit's a cluster fuck and the US is right to cringe in withdrawl over the whole thing
>>528072221>will a political entity ever admit it did the wrong thingAdmission means consequences and change, they'd rather sit on decades old plans that will not work hoping they can at least get something out of them, and they're going to be remembered as actual fucking retardsDoubling down is always the choice the successful make, until they rugpull and fuck off to the canaries
>>528075464Every time they use force to punish anyone who thinks about joining NATO, they only reinforce the idea that joining NATO before Russia can invade you is the most effective defense you can hope for.
>>528076161>>528076333>>528076582The US government doesn't make its own weapons, so the distinction is a moot point. "I'm not selling weapons, the arms manufacturer I'm personally invested in and sign official purchase agreements with are selling them weapons" is pilpul.
>>528076553>British Colonial America>the American Civil Warwhat the fuck are you even talking about? The American Revolution and the Civil War are two different things 80 years apart, and what the fuck does it have to do with the 21st century, you fucking moron?
>>528076733lol there was a coup bro, we all saw it, there were threads for months, your mental gymnastics are akin to a retard rolling around on the ground
>>528076970>what the fuck are you even talking about?I'm drunk and you know exactly what I'm talking about, cunt. Don't change the subject because I accidentally said "Civil" instead of "Revolutionary."
>>528076582Its so easy to spot the tranny faggots.The truth is right in front of youI even gave you the act from congressYou cant fucking read?>US Congress passed the Ukraine Freedom Support Act, which appropriated $350 million in security assistance, including anti-tank and anti-armor weapons>During the Obama administration, direct commercial sales of small shipments of lethal arms to Ukraine were reviewed, approved, and licensed on a case-by-case basis by the Department of State in consultation with the Department of Defense. The US government authorized nearly $27 million of commercial defense articles and services to Ukraine in 2016 and about $68 million in 2015, portions of which are classified as lethal weaponry.>Lithuania was the only government directly providing lethal weapons to Ukraine since 2014. In 2016, Lithuania supplied 60 KPV-14.5 Vladimirov heavy machine guns for use on Ukrainian armored personnel vehicles and 86 Degtyaryov 12.7 mm portable machine guns in addition to about 150 tons of ammunition. In November, a Lithuanian plan was revealed to provide further military equipment, including 7,000 Kalashnikov rifles, 80 machine guns, mortars, and anti-tank weapons.
>>528076872but the government absolutely controls which weapons are sold to whom. So again, which American made systems were sold or supplied "privately" to Ukraine during Obama's time?
>>528072221You're making the complex question fallacy
>>528076872So you are ignoring the fact he allowed weapons sales then gave them a billion dollars to buy weaponsKing Nigger can do no wrong, right faggot shill?
>>528072221>started the entire Russia/Ukraine war?The genocide of the "ethnically" russian peop0le living in the donbass region aided by nato was the alleged reason it was started yes.
>>528072221People will openly admit that the United States staged coups in South America Africa and South east Asia but for some reason can’t consider it for Ukraine?
>>528077121>So again, which American made systems were sold or supplied "privately" to Ukraine during Obama's time?Go ask Raytheon or Boeing. Just don't expect to get an answer because they obfuscate their paper trails behind "national security interests" even when they're allegedly operating independently of the US government.>>528077142>So you are ignoring the fact he allowed weapons sales then gave them a billion dollars to buy weaponsKnowing hohols they probably embezzled more than half of it.
>>528077443Well Poroshenko is on Zelenskys kill list for embezzelment so probably.
>>528077339Because the Pro-Ukraine movement has more in common with a religion than political advocacy.>>528077814That's part of the reason why this whole situation has been so upsetting for me. Post-Maidan Ukraine is one of the most corrupt and disgusting shitholes in Eastern Europe and I don't even know how that's possible when their peers are literally a list of former Soviet states.
>>528077131If you don't admit that NATO expansionism caused the war, then you're not the one being asked. You're the one being asked about. Much in the same way one asks about whether a retarded person has figured out that Crayon's aren't food.
>>528072221>>528078043>WHAAAAHH WHY DON'T YOU LET RUSSIA CONQUER AND OPPRESS THEIR NEIGHBORS, YOU ARE A MEANIE
>>528078132Nobody jumped at the bit to stop Crimea from being annexed. Literally nobody, not even Ukraine.
>>528077946>Because the Pro-Ukraine movement has more in common with a religion than political advocacy.I've been noticing this for a while. I was reading some stuff about how cults maintain their cohesion and I just kept thinking "damn, that's basically /k/ since about april 2022".>>528078132Nobody even implied that. That's a total non-sequitur.
>>528078132how DARE they protect the self determination of ethnic Russians?
>>528078303Instead of labeling the humans, they should have color coded them, put the US in a big uncle sam tophat, give Ukraine a blue shirt and yellow piss in his pants, that sort of thing.
>>528078200Ukraine launched a 2015 offensive. The one Zelensky dodged the draft in (twice).
>>528072221>Will people ever admit that it was NATO expansionism that started the entire Russia/Ukraine war?But Putin himself said it was not in the interview he gave to Tucker
>>528078523>The one Zelensky dodged the draft in (twice).kekocalypseI remember like a decade ago when media outlets like VICE were doing stories on the ultra-nationalist militias fighting in Donbas against Russian PMCs, they were pretty much all intended to portray the Ukrainian militias as dangerous Neo-Nazis that would try to overthrow the Ukrainian government. Fast forward to the 2020s and even the ADL is suck Azov's dick.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMXuKB0BoY
>>528078776Based, if we support Ukraine we can get the ADL to suck our cocks against brown (mongoloid) invasion
>>528078522;^)
>>528078523Zelensky was 36-37 years old in 2015How did he dodge the "draft" that would've been 20-27?Sounds like you're stupid and brown to me
>>528072221>Sorry you were going to join a defensive alliance so we had to invade you before we were no longer able to invade you
>>528079167Why are you pulling numbers out of your ass? It was always 25 to 60.
>>528073504They should honestly do this.
>>528079212>It's just a defensive alliance>no it's never acted defensively>ugh fine, I guess it has invaded a few countries>IT'S A DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE OKAY? STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT.
>>528079265https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-military-idUSKBN0JY0K620141220/>He said Ukrainians between the ages of 20 and 27 would be called up for 18 months of military service. President Petro Poroshenko earlier stressed that these recruits would not have to serve on the frontline.So, what color of brown are you? Shit colored, or beige?
>>528079167Funny how you tranny faggots think calling people brown will hide the truthConscription of man into the Armed forces of Ukraine starts at the age of 25.[1] Conscription became a part of ongoing mobilization that is enforced by press-ganging and rounding up eligible men into the army. The freshly conscripted men are sent to the training centers to prepare for war with Russia.[2][3] Women are exempt from conscription.[4][5]Ukrainian conscripts in 2009.After serving out the term of service, Ukraine's conscripts become part of the inactive reserve and are eligible to be recalled for mobilization in Ukraine until they reach age 55, age 60 for officers. During the war in Donbas, Ukraine instated a partial mobilization to fill needed positions in its armed forces, recalling conscripts who have served before, because of the war many conscripts have also been forced to serve longer than their original 18-month term of service.[6] It was planned that in 2015 Ukraine would undergo three waves of partial mobilization, this would have allowed new troops to replace those serving longer than their original term of service.[7]
>>528079352Russia is the invader retard. They are the aggressors. They are not the poor innocent lambs who dindu nuffin. They are literally right now engaged in an offensive war against Ukraine.
>>528079365Thats the minimum, tranny faggot shill.Why are you trying to be cute?You saw the same max age I did.What a disgusting piece of shit you are
>>528079392That's a mobilization. That's not a draft. And Zelensky didn't dodge a mobilization either.What color of brown are you? Shit colored, or beige?
>>528079467That's called a draft.You're not very good at this, are you?Low IQ due to your brown genetics?
>>528079458>just ignore everything that happened before 2014, actually just forget everything before 2022. Russia is the aggressor and had nothing to worry about.
>>528079475All men faggot shillPoroshenko told us Zelensky dodged the draft. Conscription litterally means draft you fucking retarded troon
>>528072221>Europe offered Ukraine a huge loan>Ukraine said they'd think about it>Russia offered them a better deal>Europe accused the president of colluding with Russia to harm European financial interests having him run out of the country>Main political party banned, emergency elections, new political party from TV show appear on ballot>Actor won emergency election>Easter regions form temp. governments and armies and start a civil war to fight against the corruption going on>Separatists forces ask Putin for help>Trump warns Putin not to help>Biden became president>Putin invaded Ukraine to assist the separatist forces that have been fighting a civil war for 4 years>The civil war turned into a real war>Ukraine refuses to give up the areas that want to leave UkraineWhat part of this is NATOs fault?
>>528079561Oh so it wasn't about NATO then retard?
>>528079568>Conscription litterally means draft you fucking retarded troonNo, Conscription, or the draft, happens every yearIn Ukraine and RussiaYou're really showing that shitskin IQ, aren't you?
>>528072221>NATO expansionism
>>528079458if alberta voted to be independent and canada sent in paramilitary groups to reassert control i'd be fine sending in american troops
>>528079674Encyclopedia Britanica:>Conscription is the compulsory enrollment of individuals into the armed forces, often referred to as the draft. It has been used throughout history to ensure military service during times of need.ALL MEN must report for conscription from 25 to 55. Kill yourself faggot shill
>>528079602>If the problem goes back before 2022, it must not be NATO's fault. I wasn't aware of NATO before 2022, so it didn't exist.
>>528076161What are you going to do when the ukraine inevitably loses?
>>528074582Yep. He was pretty clear in his Tucker interview, the war had nothing to do with NATO expansion, Putin believes Ukraine belongs to Russia. He made his move because Biden was horrible, witnessed most spectacularly by the Afghanistan withdrawal but clearly apparent from Biden’s public appearances and self destructive policies like inflation inflammation act. Biden was truly the worst American president in the last century if not longer.
>>528079597thank you based and correct poster
>>528079824Ukraine tried to join NATO after Russia annexed Crimea retard. This isn't even the first time that Russia has been the aggressor against them.
>During the Ukrainian presidential election in 2019 which Zelensky won, the Defense Ministry reported that he had been sent four summonses for military enlistment office from 2014 to 2015, but failed to show up. The 47-year old has no record of military service despite being registered since 2008 and being deemed fit for service.
>>528079790Yes, and what you quoted in >>528079392clearly differentiates thatZelensky wouldn't be "drafted" or "conscripted" past the age of 27Someone would be "mobilized" past the age of 27, if they're in the reservesYou seem to really have trouble with these two separate concepts, being brownYou didn't answer the question eitherIs your skin the color of shit? Beige? Maybe darker than coal, a stupid nigger, that your low IQ suggests?
>>528072221>NATO expansionismRussia caused that
>>528079674>conscription and draft aren’t the same>conscription and draft are the sameFucking natofag cultist
>>528072221>>528072433>>528072541Least obvious russian glowniggers and CISSYTO trannies
>>528080042>you don’t draft people over 27You know there are dozens of videos of the ukes conscripting men in their 50s, right?
>>528080181>everyone who doesn’t support the ukraine is a Russian on a VPN
>>528072541>Ukraine was supposed to be a buffer stateApparently Ukraine did not want to be Russia's ((( buffer state ))). Russia would have set aside some of its own massive territory as a buffer if it was at all honest about that.
>>528080042YesHe was conscripted in 2008 at 27 and never showed up. Then he was sent notices in 2015 for the mobilization and never showed up againHow does your faggot brain not comprehend this?
>>528080102That's definitely not what I said. I said mobilization and a conscription/draft are different.How is it that shitskins have trouble with a post made less than 15 minutes ago?>>528080186>conscriptingMobilizingYou really do seem to be having a really hard time with this separation of concepts because of your shit colored nigger skin.It's okay to be a subhuman, you know. It just means that you are inferior to everyone but your own kind, and probably stupider than the average brown based off of your posts.
>>528080210Yes. Only Russianiggers have anything to gain from trying to disband NATO. The average person doesn't give a fuck, so it's pretty obvious when some red tranny is dilating about some group in Europe keeping Russia from invading
>>528072221yep all need to do is listen to robert kagan interviews well before ukraine war, its all so tiresome
>>528079789Its like if Mexico sent over illegals to occupy texas, and then they vote for texas to join Mexico.
>>528080315>said mobilization and a conscription/draft are differentEncyclopedia Britanica says you are a lying faggot who sucks cocks>https://www.britannica.com/topic/conscription>Conscription, also known as the draft, is mandatory service, often military, required by a government
>>528080315>conscription and a draft aren’t the same>NOOO THEY ARENTHow quickly you forget your own post. >they’re mobilizing, not conscripting You do realize that conscription fulfills the purpose of mobilizing, right?
>>528080004President bone spurs dodged the draft too. No one cares
>>528080366>only Russia stands to gain from nato disbandingThem, and the American taxpayer who realizes funding those parasitic vassals is a waste of money. But you’re not an American, youre a leftist used to other peoples’ money.
>>528072489>Soviet Union ceased to existWho told you the Soviet Union ceased to exist?
>>528080565Where does it say anything about.a mobilization?Do you reference the Encyclopedia Britanica because your darker than coal nigger skin was once ruled over by the brits?>>528080627>You do realize that conscription fulfills the purpose of mobilizing, right?No, it does not. A conscription is "basic service", you're just starting. A mobilization is of reserves that have already been through training.Again, I realize that this is a really hard concept for a subhuman shitskin like you to comprehend. You' being a low IQ brown who throws around words without knowing the meaning of them. That's okay, I'm just here to remind you that you're inferior.
>>528080685Yeah, but back then dodging the draft for a foreign war was the hot thing for leftists to do. Hell, i remember when you were allegedly the anti-war party, now you’re more of a Warhawk than fucking mccain
>>528080533isn't that how texas was created? we sent a bunch of americans into mexico and then voted to be independent?
>>528080755>conscripting soldiers is not mobilizingI swear to fuck you leftists are incapable of genuine conversation. That one meme “leftists just pretend to be retards” is completely accurate, save for the fact I don’t think you’re pretending
>>528080816No, the war decided it, not the votes.
>>528080822It's not. You know when Putin did that partial mobilization thing and conscripts were found on the front lines, and it was supposedly highly illegal in Russia? Same concept, shitskinned subhumanDo you understand the difference now?
>>528079880>Putin educated a slackjawed moron about the underlying historical context, therefore he didn't care about the present issues which immediately caused the warthis may be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.>>528079938>history starts when Russia annexed Crimea, ignore everything that happened before that>okay, NATO did agree not to expand east of Germany, but the Russians didn't get that in writing, so it doesn't count!>those dual use missile launchers in Poland were just there to defend Poland from Iranian missiles, don't worry about us putting nuclear tipped Tomahawks in them>no, we won't stop sponsoring terrorists in the Caucasus, stop asking.>Bush totally didn't pledge to get Ukraine into NATO in 2008>The Maidan coup was totally organic and not a US backed regime change operation>The historically Russian regions of Ukraine were totally fine with a bunch of neo nazis from western Ukraine seizing power, it was actually secret Russia troops who forced them to secede at gunpoint>the Ukrainian military's attacks on civilians after 2014 are a kremlin talking point, so you can't mention it.>Angela Merkel did admit that the purpose of the Minsk accords was just to buy time to arm Ukraine so they could be used as a proxy against Russia, and that they never intended to actually implement them, but that's irrelevant, Russia should just trust usI could go on for a long time, but you won't ever get the point because you refuse to accept reality. Reality is a kremlin talking point, you can't listen to it.
>>528072324It was entirely unjustified."You can't do that, because NATO could bomb us into the dirt no matter what, and this means we can't conquer ukraine" was russia's "reason"The REAL reason was killing every single white person in ukraine, most of the white people in russia, replacing them with indian slaves to ensure the second generation has an average IQ of 85, and then jews taking it over.Ukraine and russia just got kalergi planned.>Jews and JEWS ONLY evacuated ASAP>Jews and JEWS ONLY exempt from the draft on both sides>Zelensky is jewish - no surrender, no compromise! give me money!>Putin is jewish - no relenting, no mercy! kill more whites!
>>528080920Tucker asked him point blank several times if it was about NATO expansion, and he declined to answer in the affirmative. In fact, he said no.
>it's a parasitic waste of moneyThey pay us to host bases over there and it keeps Russianiggers from invading Europe while the US can focus on China.You are a Russianigger dilating about the alliance because like regular niggers, you hate locked doors, NATO is a locked door to europe and you stinky ape lipped niggers can't stand locked doors. Instead of taxing free loading billionaires or stopping support to Israel or stop paying for government trips to Epstein Island, you went specifically for the thing that's keeping Russia out.Your shill game is exposed kike.
>>528080755Just go to britannica.comType in "faggot who sucks cocks"It has your picture thereNot even kidding
>>528074717>Obama gave.them a billion dollars to go on a lethal. Weapons shopping spreeObama gave them jack-shit and admitted on camera to being a Soviet shill working for Putinafter this point Democrats began pretending to be anti-Russiahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mgQaFlo_p8
>>528080903>conscription is not mobilizing Do you know what the purpose of mobilization is? Because if you do, you’d know conscription is a means of mobilization. I think you might understand that, but admitting it would ruin your point, so it’s the classic leftist “totally not understanding bro” cope
>>528072221>oh no countries asked to join a military alliance. I can't imagine why
>>528080876and how are wars declared hmmm?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Declaration_of_Independencehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Republic_of_Texas
>>528081048>they pay usNow that’s a brand new cope. At least you’re trying new shit, even though it stinks just like your old shit
>>528081128I don't follow the question
>>528081103Ok retardYou got a license to critisize niggers?
>>528080937>Jews and JEWS ONLY evacuated ASAP>Jews and JEWS ONLY exempt from the draft on both sidesSchizo babble, many Ukrainian Jews have died, including the son of the chief rabbi of Ukraine. Israeli volunteers fighting for Russia have died also.
>>528075643Those scam votes were taken:-after 2 million Ukrainians fled from Donbas and Crimea as refugees -after foreign occupation forces arrested, deported, and or filtrated a half million moreafter Putin brought in a half million Russian citizens from Russia's east to squat the empty homes and apartments still owned by Ukrainians in exile-after Putin ordered that food, water and medicine be withheld from remaining Ukrainian citizens until they accepted Russians passports, a war crime?-after kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian children to terrorize their families, another war crime?-after armed Russian soldiers go door to door in some regions demanding that captive residents vote in front of them? It was the most rigged scam since the Crimean cheating scandal.
>>528081245>the leftist is denying elections yet again
>>528072221It would've been accepted if not for the fact that putin started a preventive war to not have nafo on rf's borders.But by the same logic he should've gone full apeshit mode after Finland joined. But for some absolutely unknown reason he did and does fuck all about it and just keeps on ruining what's left of my country. Apparently nafo is not the reason.
>>528081104No, shitskinned subhuman. Conscripts are individuals legally forced to perform a term of active, full-time military service. These are young civilians drafted into the regular armed forces.Mobilization of Reserves is the process of calling up individuals who have already completed their mandatory service or active duty and are now in the reserve force to return to active duty during a conflict or emergency.Hopefully this helps your shitskinned brain help digest this apparently hard to grasp concept. I'm not sure why your nigger skin is having so much trouble with this.
>>528081143They buy our equipment, they pay us to train them to use it.I know you are a Russianigger kike and this alliance makes you want to dilate your brains out but have you kikes considered maybe not invading the west?Why not invade Asia? What's stopping you from invading China or Iran or the istans. Why are you kikes so fixed on killing white people? is childrens foreskins not enough for your bloodlust nigger?
>>528081305Right, and when you try to mobilize forces but find you don’t have enough men, you move to conscription to fill the gaps. Ergo conscription is a part of mobilization. Now go on, continue pretending to not understand a very simple concept for people with critical thought
>>528081203texas declared independence from mexico, mexico moved against them militarily. they fight it out with usa supplying texas with troops and arms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Republic_of_Texastake a look at what happened in 1845, remind you of anything?
>>528081297Putin planned on genociding/invading Ukraine for a long time, at least 20 years. This wasn't just some desperate invasion.
russia started the war in Ukraine by invading it.
>>528081245you one of those election deniers?
>>528081422>russianniggerYou cultists have that one claim, and it never lands>they buy our gearAh yes, the U.S. manufactured Leopards and Challengers. >they pay us to train themLet’s say that is true. Do they pay enough to offset the cost of us funding their entire military?>you kikesAmazing how an “antisemite” backs a kike who openly says “to the last White in my country”. >so focused on bloodlustSays the guy from uhg where they spam goreporn all day
>>528081229Babies that you bought on the black market dont count, faggot>latter's adoptive son was killed while fighting to defend Ukraine
>>528080937>The REAL reason was killing every single white person in ukraineagreed>most of the white people in russia, Not very many Russian Whites have died. Putin uses poverty stricken Mongoloid/Muslim troops from Eastern Russia or African mercenaries (picrel).>replacing them with indian slavesOnly Russia is doing this. Ukraine is 99.9% White and ran by nationalists. The areas of Ukraine the Russians have conquered are being flooded with Non-Whites.
>>528081305So why didnt Zelensky go through this process?Faggot
>>528081658>ran by nationalistsMaybe nationalists for isreal, but not the ukraine
>>528081561FALSEtheres an argument to be made that the war started because russia armed the separatists but can they really be blamed for giving them arms to defend their newfound independence?
>>528081616>You cultists have that one claimYou niggers have that one mentality, being the niggers of the white race>ahh yes Leopards and challengersHmnn yes F-16+F18 and M-4's. >Amazing how an “antisemite” backs a kike who openly says “to the last White in my country”. Amazon how you are defending a kike who wants every slav in his country and the west dead.>Says the guy from uhgI don't post from a general because they are all full of trannies and attention whores. Every general should be banned especially on /sp/.But it doesn't change how you kikes want to see white people gone so your BRIC turds can rise up. If you like eating shit and living with brown people why don't you live in a toilet in India.
>>528081810>Maybe nationalists for isrealJust low IQ anti-Semite rambling now. Ukraine has voted against Israel repeatedly at UN. Nobody gives a fuck about Israel in Ukraine, why would they?
>>528081712>>528081464Again, I know this is hard for your shitskin brains to process, but Zelensky never "dodged the draft."A person can be drafted, proposed a contract in the army, or be on their way.>you move to conscription to fill the gapsNo, the yearly conscription in 2014-2015 is what we're talking about here.Ukraine never had a full mobilization in 2014 or 2015.Man, this is a really hard concept for you shitskinned subhumans to grasp, isn't it?It's almost like you're not human and it's breaking your subhuman animal brain to think this hard and reconcile the cognitive dissonance.
>>528081468Same thing happened in the civil war. Ended differently.
>>528081829Russia had been funding the "separatists" (mostly the ones who fought were Russian glowniggers on holiday, not Ukrainians) since 2005.
>>528081998>maybe if I use the n word I’ll fit in Swing and a miss, gayboy >F16s and M4sThat’s just old dogshit Cold War gear>a kikeAny evidence Putin is a jew? Because zelenskike is a proud kike>I don’t post in uhgYou just post like every other one of them, so I’ll remain suspicious >impotent seethingI didn’t expect much else
>>528082047ok and? the situation is an obvious historical analog. russia is doing exactly what usa did for the poor texan separatists
>>528082005>low IQ>antisemitePick one, kike lover
>>528082020>conscription isn’t part of mobilizingYou keep moving goalposts, and it doesn’t help you
>>528082195That's great. We'll see who wins.
>>528072221It's like if Mexico and Canada signed joined a military alliance with China. The US would act the same as Russia has done.
>>528082151>>528082151>mostly the ones who fought were Russian glowniggers on holiday, not Ukrainiansproofs? ukranians dont have the best track record where the truth in concerned. a lot of us still remember motorola and givi
>>528082288yep, we will
>>528082300Expressed aspirations of someday joining a military alliance with China, not successfully doing it
>>528082020>Zelensky never "dodged the draft." Die. Just fucking die, you lying worthless cunt.That piece of shit had 4 subpoenas to his name which he ignored, while poroshenko was president.Now, under the rule of this midget kike fuck men are being snatched and fucking killed by other Ukrainian men. Fucking die.
>>528082258There's no goalposts being moved. You're just brown and subhuman.>>528082683Notifications to come to the office to update your information was not legally enforced back then.>subpoenasNo, not really.
NAFO killed NATO by making it super uncool among Americans, it was cringe the whole way through. Sad!
>>528082602Expressed aspirations of someday joining after they had a coup where Chinese backed cartels took control of the government and then started shelling towns on the border that didn't recognize the new cartel government. Then the Chinese spent the better part of a decade arming and training the forces of the new cartel government. Also the Chinese had promised not to invite any Central American countries into their alliance, then had gone ahead and signed up Costa Rica and Nicaragua.
>>528082397https://www.dw.com/en/mh17-investigators-name-four-suspects-to-face-murder-charges/a-49258688Most of the people in the photo of Girkin et al celebrating their downing of the airliner are Russian citizens, Russian military on holiday, or Russian mercenaries.
>>528072221it literally wasnt faggotnobody wanted Poland in NATO, they blackmailed their way in and Russia didnt give a shit, Putin is a history editing faggot
>>528072221NATO is a purely defensive alliance and Russia had nothing to fear. All published narratives of "preemptive strikes" are of course disinformation. Russia invaded for no justified reason i.e.
>>528078303Your aim is way beyond that Dombass that you already despoiled, Ivan.
>>528072541That is not true. How can you make the goyim believe it was?
>>528083217>>>528072221 (OP)> NATO is a purely defensive alliance and Russia had nothing to fear. All published narratives of "preemptive strikes" are of course disinformation. Russia invaded for no justified reason i.e.
>>528082956>>528082300That would make sense if the US invaded Mexico and Canada within the last 40 years like Russia did. But the US hasn't invaded Canada or Mexico in almost 200 years.Thats where you argument fails glownigger. Russia regularly invades Europe, it's why NATO is considered a necessity there. But the US only went to war with canada or mexico once.You lose glowie
>>528083360No one wants to live in Russia, let alone invade it.
>>528072221>you forced me to invade you
>>528083470What countries has Russia invaded unprovoked in the last 40 years? Because I can name a few (more than a few actually) that the US has.
>>528083559ChechnyaChechnya againGeorgiaUkraine>those were provokedBy that measure, all of the countries the USA has invaded has been justified by means of provocations.
>>528083559Well you russian glownigger, Georgia,Ukraine,Moldova,Syria. All unprovoked and Russia being the nigger country it is claims it was in the right.I don't give a fuck what countries the US invades, they are free to start a NATO like alliance.But Europe has been invaded and killed by Russians more than any other outside force in history.
>>528083735All that is Russian land, stop getting into and causing Russian civil wars lol go home nigger
>>5280842591. You're brown2. "all that is" No, it's not
>>528076735US is allowed to send troops there (and always was) just like NATO is, dumbass. US is part of NATO. the last thing you would ever want is a war against the US. how stupid are you? both US and Canada were training together a day after all the media hype garbage. holy shit you are a dumb goy.
>>528076735>>528084666forgot pic
>>528081603Why is the US a nigger?
>>528076735also, there is no fucking NATO if US leaves. god damn you are dumb
>>528084425>you’re brownIt’s nice to know you don’t have an argument anymore. Not that you had one to begin with. Remind me, how is conscription during war not mobilizing? Because you never gave me an answer for that one
do your part as an american, sage russian threads
>>528083735>By that measure, all of the countries the USA has invaded has been justified by means of provocations.That's a fucking lie. The US had less legitimate reason to fight Germany in WW2 than Russia did in any of those cases, much less to invade Iraq or Afghanistan. Chechnya wasn't even an invasion, it was just sorting out a terrorist infestation that the CIA was backing. Georgia literally attacked Russian peacekeepers who were on a UN approved peacekeeping mission that the Georgians had literally requested.>>528083786>Georgiasee above>UkraineA continuous chain of provocations going back to the Maidan coup.>MoldovaLiterally not even an invasion, Moldova just claims a chunk of territory that they have no control over. It was never under Moldovan control. When Moldova declared independence from the Soviet Union they just claimed Transnistria was a part of Moldova and Russia didn't give it to them.
>>528085137>last 20 years>WW2shitskin math>>528085013I always had an argumentSee >>528084425"No it's not"And Putin saying that NATO's work in Afghanistan was vital to Russia's security interests
>>528085216Holy fuck lol. I went out of the time frame of 40 years to say that the US was less justified in engaging in a war which I am certain you would defend America's involvement in until you were blue in the face than Russia was in any of its wars in the last 40 years.
>>528085453>which I am certain you would defend America's involvement inExcuse me, kike?Why would I want to arm the Russians?They should've been fucking exterminatedWhat sort of bizarro world are you living in, you fucking retard, where you're projecting your kikery onto me?
>>528085572So do you think the US attacking Germany was unjustified?
>>528085026Literal nigger, go back to Africa.
>>528072221No they wont even though european leaders said before the 2010s publically that trying to get Ukraine into NATO is essentially a declaration of war to Russia, most people are set in their ways, its really hard to change their minds no matter what evidence you provide, you cant convince a NATO shill about anything thats outside the blind sycophant milieu, its like trying to convince an ISIS supporter that Islam has serious flaws
>>528085674Yeah.As was Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 and 2022 after funding "separatists" in Ukraine since 2005.
>>528080937>"You can't do that, because NATO could bomb us into the dirt no matter what, and this means we can't conquer ukraine" was russia's "reason"This. Recall Pootler didn't sperg out over already having NATO on his border in 2004. It took him another 10 years to grow the balls to start invading European countries.
>>528085748Okay, then you are at least more consistent than most people. I thought you were the usual neocon NAFOtard. Russia didn't invade Ukraine in 2014 though, those separatists were genuinely Ukrainians and Russia actually declined their requests to join Russia.
>>528085137>The US had less legitimate reason to fight Germany in WW2Maybe Hitler shouldn't have declared war on the US then? It's a good idea to know the most basic facts of history before commenting on it, retard.
>join "defensive pact">the biggest military in the world is now obligated to defend you>incessantly talk shit to your neighbour knowing he can't attack you>no ability for said neighbour to have a fair negotiating position with you since you are backed up by the biggest military Butthurt belters are like an arrogant roastie at a club that starts shit, knowing full well their 7 foot bf will slap anyone who tries to put them in their place.
>>528085845>Russia didn't invade Ukraine in 2014 thoughThey literally did you fucking mongoloid. What is annexing Crimea to you? And it was admitted by Russia they had troops in Eastern Ukraine fighting with the separatists throughout 2014.
>>528072221lack of deterrence amd credible promise of violence is what allowed the kremlin regime to start its dumb and brutal war against innocent UkraineTheir only mistake is giving in to amerinigger pressure and handing off their nukesVatnigger subhumans must die for their crimes against Ukraine as must CDU rats for building NS1/2 (and even at that time being reminded clearly of how this would lead to war)To that effect I have donated thousands of € and will likely be able to claim to have helped kill at least 5-6 vatniggers though primary credit is always with the brave and heroic defenders of Ukraine.Rest in piss, putinbots
>>528085845>Russia didn't invade Ukraine in 2014 thoughThey did>those separatists were genuinely UkrainiansCan you explain why Russia funded them since 2005?>and Russia actually declined their requests to join RussiaYeah right after Vladislav Surkov got off the phone with Alexander Borodai.There's a joke in the previous sentence that you won't get because you're a fucking retard who has no clue what you are talking about. Stick to your wheelhouse, subhuman nigger.
>>528086026Glad I'm not the only one even here standing against this constant litany kf vatnigger lies.Keep fighting the good fight and don't either allow your government to cow and tread on you, bro.You know from us that obedience in advance leads straight to hell.
>>528085939>It's a good idea to know the most basic facts of history before commenting on it, retard.You should take your own advice>>528086131>Can you explain why Russia funded them since 2005?Care to provide evidence that happened before 2014?>Yeah right after Vladislav Surkov got off the phone with Alexander Borodai.>There's a joke in the previous sentence that you won't get because you're a fucking retard who has no clue what you are talking about. Stick to your wheelhouse, subhuman nigger.I retract my previous assessment that you aren't just another NAFO retard.
>>528086131The problem with these arguments is anything you say about crimea, is never applied to say the independence of montenegro. If I say there was a referendum in crimea or that the population was majority ethnic russian, you guys just say well ot was clearly just strong armed by the russians, but we gloss over the moment in history that montenegro split from serbia with a western biased election oversight. Then engaged in an offensive nato action, despite being a defensive pact.Secondly, you guys love to say russia strong armed the crimean referendum, but conveniently ignore the referendums in east ukraine, that were literally strongarmed with ukro national guardsmen shooting into crowds with casualties and threatening Ukrainians that wanted to vote to secede.You are all snakes and I don't trust you, because you aren't morally consistent. You lie about all of it, so why should anyone trust anything you say.
>>528086322>Care to provide evidence that happened before 2014?Sure. Will you blow your shitskinned brains out for me, champ, because I'm going to make you look stupid.https://web.archive.org/web/20151222054115/http://cepr.su/2015/12/21/issledovanie-cepr-kto-poluchaet-prezidentskie-granty-nko/More than 18.5 million russian rubles in one year>I retract my previous assessment that you aren't just another NAFO retard.Do you know the nationality of those two individuals? Maybe you declined to look into it because you're brown and stupid. But here's the joke: one is Putin's assistant, the other is the PM of the separatists you proclaim are Ukrainian. Can you guess the PM's nationality?That's right, subhuman, he's a Russian glownigger.
>>528072221it was jews the started the war.Jews control both Russia and the USA.
After ussr dissolved nato should have done the same; absolute power...
>>528075075Northern peoples should stick together. Russia should have been offered NATO membership and the organization should have been pointed at the southern brown hordes. But globalists, the orientation is probably a decade away.
>>528086577>I'm so fucking stupid I think I'm clever because I noticed something completely elementary without having any grasp of the larger picture.I just realized, the reason you don't like that FDR attacked Germany in WW2 isn't because you're opposed to intervention, you're a natsoc aren't you?
>>528086757>it's elementary that this Russian glownigger is the PM of the separatist faction that was funded by the Russian government in an attempt to annex a neighborWell, no shit. It is elementary when you get down to it. Because your statement that "those separatists were genuinely Ukrainians" looks pretty fucking stupid now, doesn't it brown?Do I need to start listing the Russian nationals in more detail to make you look like a total fucking retard?
>>528072221>largest country by landmass on earth>"not enough"ruslimes deserve their sorrow
>>528086906>I think providing money to human rights groups is evidence that the Russians were supporting seperatist movements in 2005, but I don't think that the orders of magnitude more money the US spent to fund the 2014 coup is evidence that the US was involved in any way.>those separatists were genuinely UkrainiansLol, they were Russians with Ukrainian citizenship, just like most of Ukraine's population. They had genuine Ukrainian citizenship and weren't Russian spies or anything. There is a tiny minority of people from western Ukraine who identify as Ukrainian, most people in Ukraine know they're Russian. The fact that they elected a Russian isn't unusual, just like it wasn't unusual that Zelensky, who is Russian, was elected president of Ukraine. You're trying to muddle together the concepts of nationality and statehood, but those things aren't the same.
>>528072221Admit what? That r*ssia deserves nothing except the humiliation it's currently receiving?
>>528086740>r*ssia should have been invited into NATO so it can do the same shit such as vetoing votes against it as in every single organization it's inNah.What should have been done with r*ssia was immediate scorching of their shithole after WW2 ended. Nukes on Berlin and St. Pidorsburg, and Finland should have been given Karelia back.
>>528087540>human rights movementsLMAO!Get a load of this stupid brown retardSqueal for me, piggy>they were Ukrainian citizens!Alexander Borodai had no Ukrainian citizenship, for startersAs didn't many of the glowniggers on holidayGood job not sticking to your wheelhouse as I suggested and making a total fool of yourself, brown
>>528085216>I always had an argumentNo you didn’t, you faggot Reddit refugee. You were soundly beaten and now all you can do is seethe. Which makes a lot of sense when your idol of humanity is zelenskike
>>528087690>impotent seething from a memeflag kikeYou natofags are all the same. Why even bother leaving uhg when you get laughed out of every thread?
>>528087731Hey, remind me, how do you mobilize when no one wants to enlist?
>>528087731Good job ignoring my points like a sleazy kike and then doubling down on your attempt to muddy the waters instead of actually engaging honestly. It's clear that you have no actual intention to support any of your claims aside from insinuation, and then immediately deflecting to another topic.
>>528087898It’s all that natofag can do. You can find him trying to argue that conscription and mobilization are entirely different and unrelated thingsHe’s a leftist like all natofags, meaning their only way of debate is feigning ignorance
>>528087868You do a partial mobilization of reserves, as happened in 2014 and 2015, that didn't involve any conscripts except the yearly, usual conscriptsYou still a retarded shitskin that can't understand the difference between the two, I see>>528087898I didn't ignore your posts. You're calling Alexander Dugin's organization a "human rights" organization despite its glownigger activities in Georgia and Ukraine, funded by Russian Presidential Grants to the tune of half a million dollars a year. I'm laughing because you look hilariously stupid at this point.
>>528088014>you partially mobilizeAnd when there aren’t any men left in the reserves, what do you do? I’ll give you a hint, it starts with “c” and rhymes with “subscription”
>>528088077There were no cases of that in 2014 and 2015, and in that case it would be a full mobilization. By definition. As mobilization only happens to reserves. And if you only do a partial mobilization, that means there's still some left.So now I guess we're down to the fact that you're obviously mentally retarded and don't understand this. Why is it that browns can't understand a simple concept such as "partial" and "full", or "exhausting a resource?"
>>528088164>it isn’t conscription if they only do a little bit of itHoly fuck, no wonder you support the ukraine. You aren’t smart enough to do anything other than what the TV tells you
>>528072541>Because it was just CIA glow niggers that infiltrated the Ukrainian government and tried to force the country into NATO.Source: Made it the fuck up
>>528088218>>>it isn’t conscription if they only do a little bit of itThey do conscription every year, in Russia and Ukraine.So is your skin the color of shit, or beige?
>>528072541>Ukraine was supposed to be a buffer state between eastern and western powers.Your mom's checks were supposed to be a buffer between my Dick and her Asshole But i fucked her asshole in missionary
>>528088272>they draft people every yearI really don’t know what you think your point is. Aren’t you the one who called Trump “President bone spurs” for doing the same thing your beloved kike did? >no ur brownIf I was a shitskin I’d be supporting the ukraine.
>>528088394>>528088394>they draft people every yearThat conscription happens every year and you seem to be unable to understand this because you're brown and are mixing up the two concepts for a good 30 posts now.>Aren’t you the one who called Trump>shitskinned subhuman can't figure out IDsLMAO!>If I was a shitskinPost hand and timestamp
>>528088503>they draft people every yearYes, as part of mobilizing. You keep using words you don’t understand >you don’t understand post IDsI do, but you natofags are so easily interchangeable it isn’t worth the attention. >post handWhy? You wouldn’t believe me if I did. Here’s a pic I posted long ago, only to watch you natofags claim it was fake
>>528088659>Yes, as part of mobilizingNo, not as a part of mobilizing. Seeing as conscripts don't do that without a full mobilization in a state of war.Or maybe you're suggesting that conscripts are filling the gaps in Russia's manpower illegally?>I doSo, you do, but you just can't read because you're a retarded nigger?>no timestampNahShitskin or shitskin IQBy any definition, you're not WhiteI don't count retarded downies as White, but as subhumans, just like even if you were White (you aren't) you're obviously mentally retarded, cannot read, and don't understand the concept of conscription versus reserves and mobilization
>>528088892>you only conscript during war, that’s not technically mobilization Pilpul >I doSeems you stopped reading there. >no timestampI’ll give you one as soon as you give me one. This is always the last resort of the defeated natofag, and I know full fucking well you won’t do half of what I did. Worthless little kike
>>528088979But again, they do not only conscript during war. In Russia and Ukraine. They do it every year.Do we have to keep going around in circles about how your shitskinned makes you unable to understand and separate the two concepts?>Seems you stopped reading thereSo your inability to read or use ctrl-f is what, exactly? Seems to me that it's just more evidence of your shitskin IQ>Worthless little kikeNot a kike, sorry shitskin IQEven if you have White skin, you're a subhuman. Sorry that you were born a retard with shitskin IQ. Some "people" just get dealt a bad hand. Now face the wall.
