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If Jesus died for our sins, then why is there still sin?

Am I allowed to sin since Jesus died for our sins?

If not, why did Jesus die? Seems weird and pointless.
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>>528201004
Jesus died for our sins to offer redemption and salvation, but we still have free will, which allows us to choose to sin. His sacrifice does not give us permission to sin; rather, it invites us to repent and seek reconciliation with Him when we do.
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>>528201004
Jesus died so that we can still get into heaven despite our sins, Jesus is love, he loved us enough to be tortured and die for us despite living a sinless life himself. I'm not even a christcuck and I know that
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>>528201174
so if Jesus didn't die, no one gets into heaven? How does that even work?

Did no one go to heaven before jesus?
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>>528201687
>so if Jesus didn't die, no one gets into heaven?
Very few would, the idea is Jesus came at a time where the world was in a state of heavy sin (Roman times) and so he was giving us mercy that we didn't truly deserve. He's similar to Noah in a sense.
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>>528201004
Once you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe that he died and raised from the dead, the holy spirit comes into you and makes you hyper aware of sin. So while your sins are forgiven because of the blood of Jesus Christ, you will sin less because of the holy sprit.
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>>528201004
Jesus didn't "die for your sins", that's simply a lie told by a manipulative and evil cult.
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>>528201687
In the parable of the rich man & the beggar, Jesus explained that all the righteous dead were in a holding place known as "Abraham's Bosom", while the unrighteous dead (a rich jew in this case) were held in a place of torment & thirst. Other scriptures reveal that Jesus himself broke down the barrier holding the righteous dead, and brought them with himself to Heaven.

That's enough to go on with for now. AMA.
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>The nature of karma and karmic law has already been touched upon earlier: it is part of the scheme of salvation for mankind and cannot be avoided or annulled by any action on the part of any being, whether in physical form or in a higher form.

>The karmic necessity requires that any action which results in pain, suffering or harm to another being must be discharged and set aside through an experience of equivalent suffering or pain on the part of the individual responsible for that action.

>The men of the east were told of the karmic law many thousands of years ago, and have retained general comprehension of it. But many born into the eastern cultures have misconstrued this great law to mean that one should not interfere with the karmic destiny of another, either to hinder or to help him in his endeavours. This has been a grievous error in understanding, for it has allowed a continuation of suffering and pain where this might have been alleviated. The very action of refusing to help in such circumstances brings its own karmic consequences upon the person refusing.
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>>528201004
Jesus didn’t die for our sins, he died for exposing the synagogue of Satan.
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>>528202665
>Early in the Christian era, those in charge of the Christian message pondered the question of whether to teach the ancient truths of karma and rebirth to the members of the fledgling Christian church. After much debate, the church fathers decided to exclude these teachings. The reason for this decision was their observation of the philosophical error into which the people of the eastern culture had fallen. This is why the Christian teaching emphasizes above all else the commandment to serve one’s brother in any way possible. For through this service it is possible not only to set aside one’s karmic burden, but to lift the load from the shoulders of another.

>The One who came to show the way for the Piscean Age spent much of His time lifting the burdens from others. He healed the sick; He fed the hungry; He helped all who came to seek His aid.

>It is not for man to know the extent of his own karma or that of others. Restricted by his narrow consciousness and the limitations of a three dimensional existence; he cannot hope to know all of the intricate complexities of the karmic patterns that have been created by man’s actions. It is best for man simply to trust that karma will work itself out for the benefit of all souls, and to occupy himself with service to his brother.
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>>528201687
Only Elijah and Enoch were taken by God. The others are waiting for the last day in the sheol.
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>>528201004
He didn't stay dead. All you got was a 3 day pass. No Refunds
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>>528202900
... Jews don't know very much about the afterlife.
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>>528201149
Post foreskin w/timestamp
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Follow what the Catholic Church teaches. They are never wrong.
Salvation is a lifetime process not a singular event. Protties think you say a magic sentence and then can go be a degenerate the rest of your life.
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What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
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>>528201149
Well put
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>>528201149
It finally makes sense thanks Chaim.
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>>528201004
You still get tempted as a test and God rewards you in subtle ways every time you say no, being a Christian would be pretty boring without saying "not today satan"

Also if you're also asking why there's still sin in the world? it's cause the majority of people reject Christ out of pride and are ripe for demons to use their bodies as a host, I know from experience with psychosis when I was someone who enjoyed sin and didn't reject Christ cause I didn't believe in him but cause I felt convicted, unworthy and seeing a complete 180 on my life felt impossible not knowing that God finds us when we're broken hearted, weighed down with regrets struggling with mental disorders and sinful addictions + he gives us his spirit to help us reflect Christ's nature in a way, molding us like clay everyday
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>>528201004
He was wounded because of our rebellious deeds,
crushed because of our sins;
he endured punishment that made us well;
because of his wounds we have been healed.
All of us had wandered off like sheep;
each of us had strayed off on his own path,
but the Lord caused the sin of all of us to attack him.
He was treated harshly and afflicted,
but he did not even open his mouth.
Like a lamb led to the slaughtering block,
like a sheep silent before her shearers,
he did not even open his mouth.
He was led away after an unjust trial—
but who even cared?
Indeed, he was cut off from the land of the living;
because of the rebellion of his own people he was wounded.
They intended to bury him with criminals,
but he ended up in a rich man’s tomb,
because he had committed no violent deeds,
nor had he spoken deceitfully.
Though the Lord desired to crush him and make him ill,
once restitution is made,
he will see descendants and enjoy long life,
and the Lord’s purpose will be accomplished through him.
Having suffered, he will reflect on his work,
he will be satisfied when he understands what he has done.
“My servant will acquit many,
for he carried their sins.
So I will assign him a portion with the multitudes,
he will divide the spoils of victory with the powerful,
because he willingly submitted to death
and was numbered with the rebels,
when he lifted up the sin of many
and intervened on behalf of the rebels.
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>>528203223
>not today satan
*never again, satan
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>>528201771
>Very few would
No, according to the Bible, NONE would.
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>>528202900
>Only Elijah and Enoch were taken by God
They didn't go to "heaven" at that time, being taken doesn't mean what you think it means.
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>>528201004
>If not, why did Jesus die?
Cause we humans are stubborn retards deserving of eternal damnation but God gave us a way out of that fate by sending his only son to die on a cross + resurrect so whoever believes in him will receive eternal life and communion with the creator

At the end of it, what matters most as a Christian is your heart position, seems like we're in the end days so when God comes like a thief in the night, would you rather be caught on a meth bender gooning to depraved perverted ish or praying/reading your Bible?
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6.5 – The Free Will of Humans – Introduction

A fourth basic concept in Maatian moral anthropology is the free will of humans. The ground of free will is in divine endowment, but it is further supported by Maatian concepts of: 1) malleability of human nature and 2) the absence of an overriding concept of fate. The locus classicus of the doctrine of free will is in Coffin Text 1130 (CT VII, 462-464). In this passage the Creator lists Four Good Deeds he has done and among them is the freedom to choose good or evil. I will quote the entire section in order to set a context for the free will concept. For it is posited in the context of shared gifts which the Creator gives humankind. He says,

>I did Four Good Deeds within the portals of the horizon:

>I made the four winds so that every man might breathe there from in his time (and place). This is the First Deed.
>I made the great flood waters so that the humble person might benefit from it like the great. This is the Second Deed.
>I made every man like his fellow. I did not command that they do evil. It was their hearts that violated what I had said. This is the Third Deed.
>And I caused that their hearts not forget The West in order that divine offerings might be made to the divine powers of the provinces. This is the Fourth Deed.
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>>528201004
Nigga didn't even die. Just came back anyway and also hes fucking god. Why should I give a shit.
You could put me on a cross too if I knew I'd just... come back to life anyway. Doesn't sound that bad all things considered. I can think of worse ways to die.
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>>528203610
The textual setting of this granting of free will is significant because it is among others essential and shared endowments given to humanity. Thus, it assumes an added importance in its positioning among the gifts of: 1) the shared breath of life; 2) the shared flood waters symbolic of the bounty of nature; and 3) shared memory of obligation to the divine. The stress on “the shared” evolves from the phrase “like his fellow—mἰ snw.f” which is a gift within a gift. For although it is linked in the same sentence with the grant of free will, it is a grant in its own right of human equality or shared status. And this is key to the concept of human dignity discussed below. Humans, then, are free to act as they will and they may choose Maat or isfet, good or evil. But as the choice is theirs, they must bear the moral responsibility for their choice. Maat-doing leads to a long and successful life and immortality in the next world. Isfet-doing leads to failure and destruction in this world and/or the next.
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>>528201149
>esus died for our sins to offer redemption and salvation, but we still have free will, which allows us to choose to sin. His sacrifice does not give us permission to sin; rather, it invites us to repent and seek reconciliation with Him when we do.
I agree, except the free will stuff, this is not in the Bible. We have a sinful nature, that's why we sin, NOBODY can chose not to sin anymore and become sinless, it's impossible. Free will is something invented by pedo kikes in the Vatican.

It's very easy to refute free will, try taking out all the salt from the sea. You can't? Too bad. The same applied to sin, stop sinning from now on. You can't? Too bad. Free will does not exists.

Free will not existing doesn't mean you don't have options.
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>>528201004
Jesus was a homosexual and he was rightfully executed.

It's in Jewish tradition to argue about the law, so it's ridiculous to suggest Jesus was executed for blasphemy. Not to mention, his followers like his brother James and the Ebionites were not persecuted.

With such a severe punishment as crucifixion without a violant crime, it's obvious that Jesus was executed for being gay.

Anyway, Jesus preached "love is love" and transgression of the law. It's crystal clear his doctrine was wrong.

Christianity is furthermore idolatry, but also it's just retarded, God doesn't come down and impregnate virgins like Zeus.
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>>528203627
Stop cappin, you’d cry like a girl the whole time you had to carry the cross, you’d whine and bitch and moan how you’d rather be playing videogames or something.
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>>528203627
>You could put me on a cross too if I knew I'd just... come back to life anyway
I doubt, you're a cry baby, you cry for whatever infliction it happens to you, when you get sick you can't stop complaining, imagine having nails piercing your hands and feats. You would shit and piss yourself and ask God to take you from there. Weakass.
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>>528203684
You're obvious a KIKE, and a retard one at that.
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>>528203819
Evil eventually becomes very stupid.
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>>528201004
Jesus died for ours sins to teach humanity that Christianity is about forgiveness. If you have Jesus as your lord and savior you can overcome anger and forgive those who have wronged you.
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The real God is not jealous of statues.
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>>528201687
No one is in heaven or hell until the final judgment. Until then they are only sleeping (the feeling you had before you were born)
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>>528202772
Islam takes the "Faith through Works" several steps forward and provides: He who Do Jihad shall be givenby Allah many WHITE SLAVES/WIVES in this lifetime. He who No Do Jihad shall have no wife or will lose his head as apostate. Do not be Friend/Ally of infidels. Practice beheading goats every week ( and big camel at EAD) so you will be ready to behead white supremacist infidels in Jihad. Quran 8:12
WHITE SLAVES ARE ALLAH'S GIFT/ REWARD/BLESSING to pious men of color.
Allah so loved the Arabs that gave them Islam/ Jihad to obtain unlimitted WHITE SLAVES/ WIVES.
Islam has been fighting WHITE SUPREMACY FOR 1440 YEARS!
WHITE SUPREMACISTS REFUSE TO SUBMIT T ISLAMIC RULE BY PIOUS MEN OF COLOR.
WHITE SUPREMACISTS REFUSE PAY JIZYA TAX, REFUSE TO GIVE UP THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN IN THE BLOOD TAX.
White Supremacists use violence to resist the HARVEST OF THE STEPPES, and deprive pious men of their halal white slaves/wives.
American Left/Democrats are the New Jannissaries to help bring Muslims and Islamic Peace and Justice to America. Insha' Allah
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>>528203684
Jesus didn't just argue about the law, he claimed to be divine and on equal footing with the father. He was also a threat to the power of the Jewish religious leaders. He had thousands of people following him around and listening to him teach and watching him perform miracles.
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>>528201004
Repent and sin no more.
To repent is to confess your sin. You must be sorrowful and regretful of your sin. Turn from your sin to God. Live in God's holiness.
If you believe Jesus Christ died on the Cross for your eternal salvation. Submit to God as thanks for Jesus' sacrifice.
The only way for God to be both perfect justice and perfect mercy was to sacrifice his own son.
If you look at how we got into this mess in the first place look no further than Adam and Eve. They sinned and the first act God does is slaughter an innocent lamb and then kicks them out of the garden of eden. God could've done what he did to the angels that betrayed him to humanity at that point. But, he gave us a a choice to sin or not to sin.
Jesus is the final sacrifice. Only a sacrifice of his sinless life is worthy to shield us from God's righteous ire.
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Section 23: The Qur'an testified in the previous heavenly Books
Surah An-Nisa', Verse 163

Heavenly Books were revealed to the previous messengers - The disbelievers - The truth about the personality of Jesus

إِنَّا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ كَمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى نُوحٍ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ مِن بَعْدِهِ وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأَسْبَاطِ وَعِيسَى وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُونُسَ وَهَارُونَ وَسُلَيْمَانَ وَآتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ زَبُورًا

163. "Verily We revealed to you as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him, and We (also) revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isac and Jacob and the Tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron, and Solomon, and We gave David the Psalms."
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>>528203627
Did you forget the part where He got scourged?
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>>528204157
>He was also a threat to the power of the Jewish religious leaders.
This is the only reason they killed him, everything else is just an excuse to get rid of him.
Jesus threatened their authority, so they conspired to get rid of him. It's that simple.
He exposed them as hypocrites and named them as the synagogue of Satan. They didn't like being called out.
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>>528201149
shut up jew i will not worship dead jew on stick
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>>528204311
Surah An-Nisa', Verse 164
وَرُسُلاً قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلاً لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ وَكَلَّمَ اللّهُ مُوسَى تَكْلِيمًا

164. "And earlier (there were) messengers We have already told you of, and messengers We have not told you of; and Allah spoke directly unto Moses a (peculiar) speech."
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>>528201004
Think of it like food
>If Jesus paid for our pizza, then why is there still hunger?
>Am I allowed to be hungry since Jesus bought our pizza?
>If not, why did Jesus buy it? Seems weird and pointless.
It's like your boss saying that he bought pizza for you and left it on the counter in the break room. You can choose to go eat it or stay where you are and remain in hunger. You can even get a slice but not eat it and still be hungry. That doesn't change the fact that the pizza is there for your benefit, paid for by another.
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>>528204048
>Islam takes the "Faith through Works" several steps forward and provides
As if this is a good thing. You're prophet is in hell even by your religion's standard, lol
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>>528204201
To "repent" is to SUBMIT to Islamic Rule and Pay the Jizya Tax, pay the Blood Tax ( give up your white children), or convert. Jesus said: SUBMIT TO YOUR RULERS AND SUBMIT TO YOUR MASTERS. ALLAH SENDS YOU MUSLIMS TO BE YOUR MASTERS. SUBMIT.
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>>528204671
>Think of it like food
Terrible analogy, with all due respect, It's just as this guy said >>528201149
But without this "Free Will" babble
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Sin does not exist. We are animals with animal drives. Eat, sleep, sex, pleasure, fight-or-flight, survival. Morality is a construct. Telling people they are flawed from the start and can only gain redemption through your cult is a form of control.
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>>528204779
... which country are you posting from?
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>>528204826
Christianity is gay but we definitely need to regulate behaviour and “animal instincts” if we want a functional civilization and to not just live like nigger tribes forever.
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>>528204826
6.4.5– Ignorance and Moral Failure

A second important issue raised by this ethical stress on the teachability of humans is the tendency to pose moral failure in many cases as essentially a problem of ignorance. In the so-called penitential prayers of the New Kingdom, there are consistent claims that one’s offenses are essentially a problem of ignorance (Sadek 1987; Assmann 1975; Gunn 1916; Erman 1911). Moreover, as argued above, the Sebait are essentially posed as a path away from both ignorance and moral failure and are dedicated to the essential proposition of the teachability of humans (AEL I, 6; Frankfort 1961, 60). In such a context where ignorance is seen as the essential ground for moral failure, knowledge becomes a cardinal virtue. And instruction and learning become the chief focus of moral transformation. Thus, as Frankfort (1961, 77) contends, the ancient Egyptian in his offenses “is not a sinner whom God rejects but an ignorant man who is disciplined and corrected.”

This focus on ignorance as the source of moral failure is attested to, as stated above, in the so-called penitential hymns and prayers in the late New Kingdom from Ramessid Deir el Medina found on pious monuments left by a community of workmen who built royal tombs. In a hymn by one Neferabu who has been cured of an illness which he believes comes from a transgression against a divinity, he explains his moral failure saying: “(ἰnk) s-ḫm n ἰwty ḥ3ty ἰ bw rḫ nfr bἰn—I was an ignorant and mindless man, who knew not good or evil” (KRI III, 773). Another person makes a similar claim for his moral failure in a hymn to Ra saying:

>Punish me not for my many misdeeds.
>I am one that does not know himself.
>I am a mindless man.
>All day long I follow my mouth like an ox after fodder (Gardiner 1937, 18.10, 7-19.11, 1).

Here moral failure is attributed to ignorance, especially of oneself.

–Maat, The Moral Ideal in Ancient Egypt, Maulana Karenga
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>>528202560
Broke down the barrier... he put up?
>>528201149
Jesus died for our sins... but we are born into sin? It is impossible to be without sin. So by the process of subtraction, jesus only died so we could ask him for forgiveness? Couldn't he have just let us ask for forgiveness?
>>528203184
It doesn't. Hell doesn’t exist in the Bible and it doesn’t say that heaven is where we go right?
The biggest question i have in a non reddit atheist way, is how does the trinity work? The father son and holy spirit but all is one, and its monothestic? It doesn't seem to track to me. Jesus acts specifically separate and speaks of god as a separate being. Theres no image of god we pray to, just jesus.
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>>528202544
fuck of satan nigger we are immune to your retardation here. Christ is KING>>528203864
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Moreover, in the analogy of the following after fodder, the suggestion is made that in a context of ignorance, instinct becomes a substitute for knowledge. The obvious solution, then, is self-understanding, discipline and self-correction. Thus, the problem here is not a question of a sinful nature or hamartia, missing the mark, or even akrasia, lack of self-restraint. It is rather a question of ignorance (ḫm) in its general and specific forms, the lack of self-understanding (ḫm ḏt.f) and mindlessness (ἰwty ḥ3ty) that are posed as the fundamental sources of moral failure. It should be noted here that ἰwty ḥ3ty literally means lacking heart and mind and indicates both the lack of rationality and moral sensitivity. Moreover, the compound word s-ḫm (se-khem) defines “not only a person who lacks knowledge, but also one who is unmindful, forgetful, disregardful and thus in this case unattentive to the right and good” (Karenga 1999, 50). It is in this context of the absence of rationality and moral sensitivity (ḥ3ty, ἰb) and disregard for the right that one fails to recognize oneself (rḫ ḏs.f) and thus acts in contradiction to Maat. This self-recognition is of one as a noble image of God, and a morally responsible and responsive person in the context of one’s relations as father, mother, sister, brother, leader, teacher, king, queen and citizen, etc.
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>>528205147
>Hell doesn’t exist in the Bible
You're confusing things up. Hell does exists in the Bible, it's just not as described by most Christian denominations, dude, don't say hell doesn't exist without even studying about it. You should just shut up. Just know that according to the Bible you will be judged by all words that came out of your mouth. This will help you be kept in check and stop teaching heresy.
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>>528204955
According to whom? The best and brightest of our liberal capitalist society don't seem to care about putting any brakes on their animal instincts, so why should we?
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>>528203943
and its not about whether God is jealous. Satan’s lies are often structurally deceptive - you stand out worse than a glowie you subhuman kike. Chosen people lol, fucking inbred degenerate demonspawn
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>>528204724
Before the Prophet Mohammed ( PBUH) revealed the Quran, Arabs only had BLACK abeed slaves. Allah knew that Arab men are not satisfied with black slave/wives, and NEEDS WHITE Saqaliba slaves/wives. In his Wisdom, Allah gave Arabs the Jihad and Jizya to bring unlimitetd WHITE slaves/wives.
The Quran (9:29) requires Christians and Jews (People of the Book) to pay a tax called jizya as a condition of submission to Muslim authority, ensuring their protection, exemption from military service, and allowing them to practice their faith. This verse is often interpreted as a "war reparation" or "protection tax" rather than just a penalty.
Quranic Quote (Surah At-Tawbah 9:29):
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(Sahih International Translation)
Key Explanations and Context:
Definition of Jizya: Derived from jaza (recompense or compensation), it is a tax meant to secure protection for non-Muslim citizens (known as dhimmi) under a Muslim state.
Purpose: It was traditionally paid by able-bodied non-Muslim men in exchange for being exempt from military service. Women, children, the elderly, and monks were often exempt.
"Willing Submission" and "Humbled": The Arabic phrase 'an yadin wa-hum sāghirūn is often interpreted as paying directly while in a state of submission to the authority of the Islamic state.
WHAT could be a better submission for whites/ christians than to deliver up your children to the Islamic State as payment of Jizya Tax?
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>>528205253
In another instructive passage, ignorance is described as morally problematic in still another way, i.e., as lack of responsiveness. It says:

>If you are wealthy and strength has come to you,
>And your God has built you up,
>Do not pretend to be ignorant of people whom you know.
>Greet everyone. Release another when you find him bound.
>Give support to the afflicted.
>Good is spoken of the one who does not play the ignorant one

Here ignorance is posed as a vice of pretending not to know and not being responsive to familiars (one whom you know) as well as to the needs of the imprisoned and indentured, and the afflicted or vulnerable. To be aware and responsive, the text says, “will be good in the heart of God and people will praise you.” For “a person whom God has built up should foster many.” Indeed, he should be defined as one who has a “hearing heart” i.e., one morally sensitive and Maat-grounded (Brunner 1988).
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>>528205300
>The best and brightest of our liberal capitalist society don't seem to care about putting any brakes on their animal instincts, so why should we?
That's because they know their time is short. They know they can't be born again, because you must be born of God. So they choose to pleasure themselves.
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>>528205398
All of these forms of ignorance (ḫm) then, lack of knowledge, mindlessness, lack of self-understanding and lack of responsiveness, refer to a cognitive and moral deficiency which demands corrective instruction. It is this corrective stress placed on instruction that appears most definitively in the Sebait. And it is this fundamental function which the Sebait, the Books of Wise Instruction, serve. Thus, in one untitled Sebait, the father says to the son, “I cause you to know in your heart the matter of Maat. May you do what is right (̔ḳ3) for you” (Gardiner 1935 II, 43 pl. 20; 6, 8-9). Amenomope (XXVII 10) says of his Teachings, “they make the unaware knowledgeable.” And Amen-nakhte says in his Instruction for his apprentice Harmin, that they are maxims for the way of life and he informs his student: “You are a man who listens to words so as to distinguish bad from good” (Posener 1955, 62.2-3). The thrust again is to teach moral knowledge, to cultivate the capacity to distinguish right from wrong, good from evil—in a word, Maat from isfet. Therefore, Khunanpu says “Be patient that you may discover Maat” (Bl-209).
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>>528205375
Didn't read. Keep wasting your time, lol
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>>528205147
>Broke down the barrier... he put up?
Not exactly. When Adam and Eve willfully sinned, they allowed the rampant spiritual outlaw -- that old serpent Satan to have dominion in both the world and in the affairs of mankind. God didn't intend any of this, and flatly warned Adam off from it.

Sin itself, created the barrier between God & man (living or 'dead'), not God. Jesus breaking that barrier down was dramatically and miraculously foreshadowed by the "rending in twain" (tearing in two) of the "veil* (a long, narrow carpet likely 6 inches thick) in the Temple between the Holy of Holies (God's place) & the Holy Place (the priest's place).

I know that sounds confusing, but the symbolism in the reality spans transdimensional reality.

Again, AMA.
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>>528205463
there's something wrong with their hearts and minds... we try to help them, but many are too far gone; hatred can doom people
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>>528203657
try to stop breathing my nigga, you have no free will (this is how you sound like)
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>>528201004
christianity was created immediately after the destruction of the second temple by the Romans in 70CE.
Earliest mention of christians and christianity is around c 100CE.
christianity was created by jews because after the destruction of the second temple, jews had no way of achieving redemption because redemption in jewish religion was through the sacrifices, especially the yom kippur sacrifice where they would just slander a goat for their own sins and then kill the goats, believing they had sent the goats to hell in their place along with their sins.
No temple (yhwh was believed to be literally, and kind of physically, inside the the temple behind a curtain and only the highest priests could be in the same room and "see" yahweh) = no sacrifice = no redemption = they have to be held accountable for their sins = they all go to "hell"

So how did they attempt to solve this problem? just make up a story that ackchyually they didn't even need the temple that goyim destroyed with the might of Jupiter and Zeus anyway because 70 years ago they had already done the ultimate sacrifice: they had sacrificed the son of yahweh himself and his magical super blood was more powerful than any animal blood and protected them til "eternity".

But then a so-called "apostle" jews who had become blackpilled about the chosenness of the jewish people and the might of yahweh compared to goy Romans who BTFOd them, realized they can be actually use this as a psyop against them and injected shit like turning the other cheek and race blindness, anti family sentiment, antinatalism, judeophilia and hating the aristocratic higher IQ higher value upper class and praising the dysgenic lower IQ poor class etc all other marxist jewish tropes
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>>528204955
>we definitely need to regulate behaviour
That is why Allah sends you Muslims, Jews and Democrats to be your Rulers and give you Sharia law and Islamic Justice!
Alex Petti was a militant Jannissary, a white footsoldier, of the future Islamic States of America!
Democrats like Alex Petti and Renee Good are volunteer Jannisaries. On the one hand, they advocate publicly for the continued colonization of America by pious Muslims/Somolis/Sudanis, evidencing their intention to SUBMIT TO ISLAMIC RULE (when the Muslim population is large enough to establish The Islamic States of America) in accordance with their Saqaliba/Dhimmi status. On the other hand, they seem to adhere to the view that white people are entitled to make up your own "man-made law" rules (e.g., Freedumb of Speech, Freedumb of Assembly) contrary to Islamic Law. They likewise advocate for "Free Palastine", which of course means returning to the Muslims the Power to halal enslave Saqaliba ( White Slaves) and Abeed ( black/slaves) as it was halal done before Euopean colonization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Palestine At the same time this kind of White Supremacist conspired in 2024 to free the blond Yazidi slave girl held by Mujahideen in Gaza since taken by ISIS from Iraq.
Sharia law requires infidels to PAY JIZYA TAX until Jesus comes back. Jizya Tax can include BLOOD TAX requiring white men to deliver their wife and or children to the Muslim ruler.
Another kind of White Supremacists stole America and Australia from the Islamic State. Muslim immigrants are here to reconquer Dar al-Harb and to bring Islamic Peace and Justice to American cities: To "Free Free America", "From the ( Mississippi) River to the ( Atlantic and Pacific) Seas."
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>>528205593
>try to stop breathing my nigga, you have no free will
Actually, this proves that Free Will does not exists, but it's alright to disagree, to me this is not a salvation issue ;)
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>>528201149
This. Also, I'm learning programming on my own and I firmly now believe that God works in 1's and 0's (so to speak) and that Jesus was the redemption patch before the Armageddon update, whenever that drops. God made the Earth a pvp/pve server and he expects you to at least fucking try.
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>>528201004
>asking for forgiveness from a jew.
Kek

According to the golemOS manual, excluding foreigners from your homeland and expelling kikes is a sin.
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>>528205790
You can stop tho, and you should
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>>528205742
>that moment later this year when her realizes that the illegals had been voting republican the whole time
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>>528204808
To someone with little or no knowledge of the nuances of Christian theology, a food analogy works better to understand the basics because they relate to it. For the more advanced that Jew is right, though without free will the entire thing is pointless.
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>>528204808
Free will is the most important principle in the universe.
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>>528201004
baptism in the Holy Spirit.
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>>528205972
>You can stop tho, and you should
No, your example mixes voluntary and involuntary processes, breathing is a great example against free will, not for it.

You don’t choose to start breathing as a baby You can’t choose to stop breathing indefinitely. At best, you can temporarily override an automatic system, and even that fails once CO2 builds up.

>>528206053
>Free will is the most important principle in the universe.
You didn’t choose your genetics
You didn’t choose your brain structure
You didn’t choose your childhood conditioning
You don’t choose which thoughts appear, you only notice them (Try not thinking about an elephant, haha you thought about the elephant)
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>>528201004
>If Jesus died for our sins, then why is there still sin?
you don’t know what “Jesus died for our sins” means, he died in our stead so we wouldn’t suffer the price of sin (hell)
>Am I allowed to sin since Jesus died for our sins?
No, the Bible says “sin no more”, just because Jesus died for your sins doesn’t give you license to sin
>If not, why did Jesus die? Seems weird and pointless.
Jesus paid the price for our sins, and even though if you are saved you can still sin doesn’t mean you want pay the price on earth for it
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Scripture explains that human desire isn't innately evil but is deemed good or evil depending on whether the desire is centered on God or the flesh. God intended us to be desiring creations. His intention was for our desire to be centered on Him and His will. When our wills are centered on God, they are good and being used in their intended purpose. When our desires are self-centered, they become ensnared in the things of the fallen nature of the world and become sinful. When satisfying the flesh instead of the Spirit, our intentions are then evil. This is why the human understanding of love is so chaotic compared to God’s tough (agape) love. The spiritual death that Adam and Eve experienced resulted in a rebellious nature in their souls. The centered lives they had around God were now given over to their hearts' desires instead. This is what led to self-centeredness and self-seeking desires as it was passed on to all their descendants, still reigning true to this very day.

Thankfully, God didn't leave us in complete darkness, as a remnant of His image remains in human hearts. This is the void that perhaps some of us felt was lost. I know I sure felt it. Lost people often claim that something is missing in their lives and that there's more to life than what meets the eye. This can lead to spiritual anxiety, which can cause people to stumble until they connect with God. Instead of centering our lives around God, we replace Him with what we think we want instead of what we need from Him. This can lead to people centering their lives around their career, power over others, material goods, pleasures, fame, fortune, etc. Although our purpose here on earth is to worship God, we as humans create replacements due to a fallen heart. This is why God longs for us to receive His grace and break free from the snares of darkness (Isaiah 55:1-3).

Watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_T-AvSz1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTYZ5BgC400
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>>528205972
>and you should
I will ignore the fact you told me to kill myself, very Christian of you.
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>>528201149
So everyone who lived before jesus died for our sins just all burned in hell even if they sinned one time?
Christians are fucking retarded
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>>528203943
its not about the statues, they are dead, its about the spirits behind them which are real.
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>>528206147
What if you did choose all those things?
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>>528204671
Great analogy.

>>528206053
Roughly-speaking, yes.
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>>528206147
If free will isn't real, then nothing has meaning.
If I am not responsible for my own actions, then nothing has meaning.
If I don't have free will, it is God's fault for making me sin.
This is nonsense.
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>>528201687
>so if Jesus didn't die, no one gets into heaven? How does that even work?
Yep, Jesus’s blood cleanses us you have to be perfect to go to heaven which no one but Jesus was able to do and he died to cleanse us from all sin
>Did no one go to heaven before jesus?
No they still went to heave because they had prophesy of a messiah to come that would take away all sin, in whom they trusted and were saved
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>>528204826
>bro we are just animals
we were created in the image of God. we are to represent him and we all fall short of that.
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Allowed to sin? Wtf
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>>528205645
Hitler favored Islam! And Hitler promised " Lliberation" of Arabs so they can enslave white people again under a new Islamic State. Hitler even allowed JAPs to have thousands of WHITE SEX SLAVES. Was Hitler the Muslim Massiah we have been waiting for?
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>>528203943
he’s not jealous of the statues but rather the people’s worship of statues which belongs to God, reread the Bible
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>>528206219
>So everyone who lived before jesus died for our sins just all burned in hell even if they sinned one time?
No, the sacrifice of Jesus is for present, past, and future.

Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

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BTW, nobody went to hell yet, there will be a judgement before it. After Jesus returns.
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>>528206312
>No they still went to heave
Wrong.
They went into the "underworld" and were lifted up to heaven by Jesus himself after he died on the cross.
He defeated death by dying and gave the dead life before resurrecting himself.
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>>528201004
When youre born again by the Blood of Jesus Christ; you Recieved His Grace as a Covering for your sin
You have to wait until death concludea this life or are one of the lucky ones who walk into the kingdom
We are the final generation where this is going to occur btw
Israel is a state
The euphrates, picrel is drying
The mark of the beast, a financial singularity, is technologically feasible now
Ai is the beast that is and is not and yet is, ai is the beast rising up out of the sea, ai will be governing the mark of the beast

And now
People who are colloquially the ten lost tribes of the northern kingdom, Lo Ammi, are returning to the Torah and their God, just as malachi predicted

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
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>>528203657
You might think you've got your theological peers beat, but take your presuppositions to their logical conclusion:
The same calvinist view comes with the baggage of actus purus and absolute divine simplicity, meaning God's actions are equal to his essence.
Therefore:
>God alone acts on our will to make us do evil
>God is evil
I reject your "god", and your claim that your or your pastor's personal interpretations are correct.
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>>528206282
>What if you did choose all those things?
You can't prove that.

>>528206294
I know this made you scared. But... That's nonsense, you just wrote a pile of non secateurs.

>If free will isn't real, then nothing has meaning.
Meaning is different than metaphysical freedom

A novel has meaning even though the characters don’t have free will
Music has meaning even though notes follow physical laws
Your pain has meaning even if it was caused

>If I am not responsible for my own actions, then nothing has meaning.
Responsibility comes in layers.

Causal responsibility (you caused the action)
Moral responsibility (society judges actions)
Ultimate responsibility (you chose your nature and desires)


>If I don't have free will, it is God's fault for making me sin.

Humans sin willingly, according to their corrupted nature. Fallen people sin freely, meaning according to what they want, and guess what? Everyone is like this.

James 1:13 (KJV)
"God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."

>This is nonsense.
This is not an argument
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>>528206416
>BTW, nobody went to hell yet, there will be a judgement before it. After Jesus returns.
Correct.

In fact this entire universe will be dissolved in a fervent heat before that Great White Throne Judgement occurs. After Satan and his crew are dinked off into hell for eternity, THEN the New Heavens and the New Earth are revealed.
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>>528206621
>God alone acts on our will to make us do evil
>God is evil
Nobody stated that, that's something (you) created yourself. I have no duty to refute a false claim. God does not make anyone sin. People do it according to their nature, which is fallen. Can you stop sinning? Say it! Can you out of your free will stop sinning?
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>>528207012
>Can you stop sinning? Say it! Can you out of your free will stop sinning?
Let me give (you) a spoiler, if you say yes, you are lying, the Bible clearly states you can't, according to 1 John 1, Romans 7, Ecclesiastes 7...
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Dudes, I don't think this Jesus guy is real. I've never seen him even though people say his is rising/risen whatever in some retarded broken English grammar. So I'm just gonna stay in Iceland for a few more months and larp worshiping foxes.
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>>528207205
You should try asking Jesus into your life
What do you have to lose?
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>>528207012
>Nobody stated that
It's inherent in Calvinism.
>>528207146
I reject your personal interpretation as being correct. And you should too since you'd also be required to uphold the doctrine of total depravity. Meaning you have no justification for assuming your interpretation to be correct either.
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>>528206400
The real God is not jealous. Nor are the higher beings.
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>>528207288
>It's inherent in Calvinism.
I didn't declare myself Calvinism, I'm non denominational.

>>528207288
>I reject your personal interpretation as being correct. And you should too since you'd also be required to uphold the doctrine of total depravity. Meaning you have no justification for assuming your interpretation to be correct either.
What you said makes no sense, you have literal jumps of logic between your claims to the point I won't even bother answering anymore.
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>>528201004
>If Jesus died for our sins, then why is there still sin?
Because OUR does not include ALL.

>Am I allowed to sin since Jesus died for our sins?
Jesus Himself makes it quite clear that you are to STOP.
>John 8:11
>She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

>If not, why did Jesus die? Seems weird and pointless.
Whether it is pointless, or life eternal, is your choice to make.
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Why are you asking stupid questions. Go back to your garbage pile and google it from there.
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>>528206960
>>528206416
>nobody is in hell yet
WRONG


19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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>>528207265
I've never seen him anywhere except for a few people called Jesus who were Hispanic. I'm not gonna just talk to myself like a crazy person.
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>>528206570
>Covering for your sin
But you must still PAY THE JIZYA TAX ( submit to your Muslim Rulers) UNTIL JESUS RETURNS!
Alex Petti was a modern Jannissary, a white footsoldier, of the future Islamic States of America!
Democrats like Alex Petti and Renee Good are volunteer Jannisaries. They advocate publicly for the continued colonization of America by pious Muslims/Somolis/Sudanis, evidencing their intention to SUBMIT TO ISLAMIC RULE (when the Muslim population is large enough to establish The Islamic States of America) in accordance with their Saqaliba/Dhimmi status. On the other hand, they seem to adhere to the view that white people are entitled to make up your own "man-made law" rules (e.g., Freedumb of Speech, Freedumb of Assembly) contrary to Islamic Law. They likewise advocate for "Free Palastine", which of course means returning to the Muslims the Power to halal enslave Saqaliba ( White Slaves) and Abeed ( black/slaves) as it was halal done before Euopean colonization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Palestine At the same time this kind of White Supremacist conspired in 2024 to free the blond Yazidi slave girl held by Mujahideen in Gaza since taken by ISIS from Iraq.
Sharia law requires infidels to PAY JIZYA TAX until Jesus comes back. Jizya Tax can include BLOOD TAX requiring white men to deliver their wife and or children to the Muslim ruler.
Another kind of White Supremacists stole America and Australia from the Islamic State. Muslim immigrants are here to reconquer Dar al-Harb and to bring Islamic Peace and Justice to American cities: To "Free Free America", "From the ( Mississippi) River to the ( Atlantic and Pacific) Seas."
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>>528207424
>non-denom personal interpretation porch pope
You're a shining example as to why sola scriptura falls flat on its face.
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>>528207641
No, search the scriptures anon.

'Sheol' (the place of the dead) where the rich jew is sequestered isn't at all the same as 'Gehenna' (the lake of fire) which is the final destination of Satan and all his shabbos (both of angels and of mankind). Satan and this jew won't be thrown into the lake of fire until AFTER the judgement of them both by God.
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>>528203024
Post white skin, oh wait.
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>>528207695
>But you must still PAY THE JIZYA TAX ( submit to your Muslim Rulers) UNTIL JESUS RETURNS!
NO.

If Jesus is a prophet of Allah, He is a liar.
If He is a liar, He is a false prophet.
If He is a false prophet, Muhammad lied in naming Him a true one.
If Muhammad is a liar, he is not a prophet of God, but is a prophet of Satan.
If Jesus is telling the Truth, Muhammad’s claim that Jesus is not God is a lie.
If Jesus is God, Allah is not.
Jesus received worship from men and women.
Jesus taught that God is one God in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Muhammad denies that this is Allah.
Muhammad and Jesus are not prophets of the same God.
Islam is a lie.
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>>528208068
Based.
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>>528208033
Youre confusing hell with the second death
And satan being bound 1000 years prior to the lake of fire
Those who do not have the Covering for their sin and are dead; are currently in hell, waiting for the great white throne Judgement
After that, they will be Judged and sent to the lake of fire for eternity, this is after the 1000 years
And then there is new heavens amd new earth
Second death is basically hell but way worse- if that can even be imagined

I pointed an example to you ans you disagree with semantics/syntax
We are speaking about the same thing that youve now clarified, it would seem anyways
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>>528201004
>If Jesus died for our sins, then why is there still sin?
The Son of God died for those who are repentant for their sins. Their sins existed.

>Am I allowed to sin since Jesus died for our sins?
You are never "allowed" to sin.

>If not, why did Jesus die?
The OT has the concept of sacrifice for sins and to pay homage to God.
you sin, you make a sacrifice like a prized bull or an unblemished sheep. You give something up to show how you repent.
God sacrificed his only son for the sins of the Children of God, which is clearly not you, because they repent of their sins and wish they had not sinned.

the Synagogue of Satan, being a babylonian devil worshiping religion, flips this on it's head. You can fornicate all day long, just burn the babies produced by giving them to Moloch. Or kill 1000 stupid kikes so you can kill 60,000+ Palestinians and steal their land and homes. They hoped to kill 2 million of them but it turns out 1000 stupid kikes don't count for shit with Moloch.

>Seems weird and pointless.
Pretty obvious you're trying your hardest to pervert and lie about Christianity.
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>>528207641
>>nobody is in hell yet
>WRONG
No, right, and saying wrong is not an argument, posting a verse out of context is also not an argument.

>Luke 16:19-31
This is a parable. If you take this parable literally you will have to assume:

>People in hell can communicate with people in heaven
>Abraham functions as a heavenly gatekeeper or mediator
>Heaven and hell are within visual and auditory range
>Souls have physical body parts before resurrection
>A literal drop of water can relieve eternal torment
>Dogs perform acts of mercy while humans don’t
>Repentance after death is impossible, but dialogue isn’t
>The poor are saved because they are poor, and the rich condemned because they are rich

This is a parable, you cannot take it literally. As soon as you do what you did, you fall into contradiction.

>>528207754
>You're a shining example as to why sola scriptura falls flat on its face.
Yet you can't refute me, just cry, and cry, anon, you lost. BTO
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>>528206219
You don't get to completely skip the reading material and then call everyone else retarded based on your own wholly invented daydream of what the material might possibly have said.
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>>528206387
>retarded shitskin judeochristcuck doing black propaganda
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>>528208269
Gehenna IS the location of the torment involved with the Second Death. The combination is both spiritual (separation from God) and 'physical' (eternal torment) in character.

>And satan being bound 1000 years prior to the lake of fire
The Millennial Rule of Christ Jesus will in fact occur here on this earth. God will fulfill all his earthly promises to Abraham during this era.

>I pointed an example to you ans you disagree with semantics/syntax
>We are speaking about the same thing that youve now clarified, it would seem anyways
Probably. But the reality is these are two very-different things & experiences. The biblical Greek are distinct on this.
https://biblehub.com/topical/s/sheol.htm
https://biblehub.com/topical/g/gehenna.htm
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>>528208068
Islam has been fighting White Supremacy for 1440 years, and has halal enslaved millions of white supremacists that refused to submit and Pay Jizya. Caliphs and lesser imams could not have been wrong for 1400 years!
Sharia is the Arabic term for Islamic law, and it literally translates as “a path to water where people can drink and seek nourishment.”
It is only in more recent times that some "interpretations" of Islamic law have emerged that spare whites from paying Jizya tax. Traditional interpretations prove that there is only one Sharia—just a single path to the sweet water of Heaven—and that only those who follow this path can find divine salvation. This is the path of intolerance of apostates witches, heretics and white supremacists, a rejection of haram democracy, and an exaltation of Muslims above all others.
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>>528201004

Jews lie.
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>>528205532
>AMA
Were there ever any "good" Nephilim? The lore seems to suggest they were all horrible people; eating humans, raping animals, maybe even using their 400 IQ to do frankenstein experiments fusing animal with man. Do you think there were some who were kind and virtuous, and maybe they got murdered by the bad ones? Or were they all just born crazy and wicked (as many hybrids are).
Could any Nephilim go to Heaven to be with the father, or are unnatural freaks destined for the lake of fire?
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>>528208673
>Gehenna IS the location of the torment involved with the Second Death. The combination is both spiritual (separation from God) and 'physical' (eternal torment) in character.
Dude, Gehenna is a PHYSICAL PLACE. Stop taking parables literally. You ASHAME Christ when you do this. Don't believe me?

Mark 4:13
And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

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Dude, stop proselytizing when you didn't even take a time to google it. You will be judged much more severely than you think according to James 3:1
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>>528208928
Nobody is buying your books, stop spamming the same thing in every thread.
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>>528208068
Who is the Greater Prophet, Jesus or Mohammed ( peace be upon them)?
How many WHITE slaves did Jesus have? None. Mohammed had Mary the white sex slave from Egypt, and another white sex slave he captured in battle! What could possibly be greater than a unlimitted white sex slaves?
Islam delivers.. Islam is given to ma,e Arabs the Rulers of Christians. Jesus says "SUBMIT TO YOUR RULERS AND MASTERS"
ISLAM literally means "SUBMIT"!
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>>528208932
>Were there ever any "good" Nephilim?
Hello anon. No, there were never any good offspring of fallen angels. There's good biblical indication that these wretched and abominable angels that did this have a special place of torment reserved for each of them.

>>528208975
>Dude, Gehenna is a PHYSICAL PLACE.
I'm quite aware of that, nor did I intend to imply anything else. It simply isn't in play "now" (other than a looming terror to Satan and his lot, lol :D. Only after the Great White Throne Judgement occurs do Death, Hell, Grave, Satan, and all the other demonic creatures and all their demonic human followers (all who reject Jesus Christ, in other words) get sent into it.
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>>528209248
Darn, that's sad. Humans have the luxury of being born with a blank slate (other than predispositions of personality, and generational curses) so it's difficult to envision a whole cohort of people who were simply born wrong. I pity them, but... I probably should learn to stop doing that.
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>>528208442
There's nothing to refute.
If what you say is true, you're basically building your own little sect based solely on one interpretation here and another from there, likely with no consistent trinitology, cristology to ground it, nor any conception of what others have already said about the matter.
In other words, there's likely no consistent doctrine to refute. Just your personal autistic clinging to determinism. Whatever even that actually means in your supposed system.
However, if we take determinism at face value to be what your theology hinges on, your cristology will, at least, necessarily be nestorian.
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>>528208442
>dogs
>mercy
You need to get yourself checked before you lap that up there with amateur hour parable analysis if this is the honest tske you pull from context
>drop of water
He was that desparate, are you intetionally being that obtuse
>dialogue isnt
Did you not read isiah 66?
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
>wailing and gnashing of teeth
He did Say that also; twice,

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So yeah, dialogue kinda is and youre wrong

>poor are saved because they are poor
>rich condemned because they are rich
That would be you, projecting
Jesus already Stated how rich people get into heaven through the camel and eye of needle parable
They get in by dislodging all their burden as a camel would to enter the eye of the needle
You cannot enter the eye of the needle as a fully loaded camel, its a small door, duh

>its a parable you cannot take literally
No its not a parable, even so, if you had eyes to see, you would
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Jesus was an enlightened being, that came and told us we are divine in nature and can be like him too. Heaven is within us, and sin takes us away from that state of being called "Heaven" (bliss).
All that other crap about dying for our sins or him coming back is fabricated.
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>>528208837
By the early 1800s, White Supremacists had built up enough military power to stop paying tribute/ Jizya/ Ransom to the Arab/Muslim enslavers of white people. Jefferson bombed Tripoli to free the white slaves ( not only Americans). And America fought the Second Barbary War to free the white slaves ( not only Americans) again. Then in 1816, England joined the GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY and English Lord Exmouth bombed Algeria to free the White (and black) slaves of the Islamic State. In 1830, the Democracy of France joined the Global White Supremacy and bombed/Invaded/ colonized Algeria to free the White slaves ( not only French) and abolish Islamic slavery of black abeed. Italy joined the Global White Supremacy and invaded Lybia to free all the slaves.
England was still hunting shooting at antiracist Islamic slaver ships in the late 1800s. Example: 1888 Zanzibar slave ship.
It was the Industrialization, and Nnew World resource extraction that empowered white supremacists to defeat the AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers. The key inventions by white people that enabled them to defeat the Islamic state were: industrialization, New World resources ( trees, iron, crops) and African resources ( black slaves) plus Racism ( the idea that people of color should not have white slaves). The Americans were the leaders in establishing White Supremacy/Racism as a Unifying Principle ( Joint Military Doctrine) that enabled white people to cooperate to defeat the AntiRacist Armies of the Islamic State. The French Kings delayed and defeated the Global White Supremacy for several centuries by the French-Ottoman Alliance, which actively caused the enslavement of millions of white Saqaliba ( and almost caused the Islamic Conquest of Europe and America at the 1683 Siege of Vienna).
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>>528209373
I understand that sentiment. Completely. But you need to understand that once Satan and all his followers are put away ETERNALLY in hell, and we as Christians receive our glorified bodies and fully-renewed minds, and God pulls back the veils and begins the 8th day of creation...then all these light afflictions and desires here will fade into nothingness as we gape in wonder and amazement at all that is unfolding before our very eyes!

EPIC DOESN'T COVER IT!! :DD
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>>528205278
But thats what I mean hell is merely the separation from god, not a torture pit but walk into any modern church and they teach the doom and gloom movie version
>>528205532
But god made sin, then put the thing that would cause sin in the garden for no other reason then for the sin to occur as he knew would happen? There can't be free will if god knows every single action that will happen. He put the tree knowing they would sin, but if he doesn't put the tree there they won't sin. Both are actions controlled by god. Free will can't exist. Is not blasphemous for humans to believe they have the ability to defy god? It seems like the concept of free will is born from sin in of itself, of pride and arrogance. Perhaps harshly worded though.
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>>528209582
You're gay
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>>528209158
Thus, Islam's centuries of empowering People of Color to conquer and enslave white Saqaliba peoples that caused American whites to invent White Supremacism/Racism as a Unifying Military Doctrine ( to defeat the AntiRacist alliance of Arabs, Mongols, Turks, Blacks, Mughals ) to defeat the Islamic Armies of Peace and Diversity and halal Enslavement. Whites are superior only by reason of their empathy for other whites that enabled them to gang up against and marginalize AntiRacist Islamic Enslavers which included black Africans and other people of color.
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>>528201004
>If Jesus died for our sins, then why is there still sin?

I think the idea is just that in Christianity Jesus died so that God didn't send people to hell for sin anymore.

>Am I allowed to sin since Jesus died for our sins?

You're not allowed to, but the idea is that you will be forgiven.

>If not, why did Jesus die? Seems weird and pointless.

The idea that God can just decide to forgive someone without someone dying is considered a bit too Islamic. So here in Europe we came up with the idea that a death is necessary and even though people die all the time and people die for the sake of all the people all the time this was special in regards to how sin works.
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>>528209632
>But god made sin,
WRONG. Sin was discovered in Satan. But I've heard that kike lie before.

I think the answer to the question you're trying to ask is:
>YES. God literally invited Satan into the garden of Eden to be a temptation to both Adam and Eve.
Close enough?

The simple answer is: "only by deep freewill, can deep love be obtained". Simple as. While this isn't a direct biblical quote, it's basically the essence of the entire book.
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>>528201004
It's just a load of Jewish bullshit
>>528201149
>His sacrifice does not give us permission to sin
That's what it sounds like it.
Why are there father-confessors at executions if his sacrifice does not give us permission to sin? The criminal had plenty of previous opportunity to repent. If 'repentance is valid mid-execution then, YES, Christianity does teach "do all the horrible shit you want just beg forgiveness later"
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>>528202772
>>528202665
Why do you pagans always try to blemish Yahweh's Word with your disgusting lies & delusions?
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>>528206272
>all your ancestors beliefs are demonic
>t foreskin harvesters
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>>528201687
Yes but there was a holding cell for Just Men. He actually went to hell and let the Just Men out of Hell.
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>>528210010
>pray to wood and stone bro
>dont forget to sacrifice to the forest spirits bro
ofc this comes from an americlarpagan
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>>528209903
But god invented Satan and all things within and out of him. From the moment of everything god knew everything. Everything is of god. The word sin and its nature is made by god. Satan, can not create anything. Only god can create. I feel like saying otherwise inherently means you are no longer talking about god.
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>>528209970
"Yahweh's word" is disgusting, it can't be blemished because it us already filth
>>528210161
>just hate yourself and your ancestors and worship the jew
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>>528203087
Roman Catholics belong to yet another pagan religion that masks itself as Christian.

All of your ridiculous ideologies are corruptions of the Truth, your deviancies & imperfections are rejected.
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>>528205375
Pajeets bust upon him
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>>528209690
Don't be so mean my Jewish Ally. Think of Peace and cooperation between Muslims and Jews United under. ISLAMIC RULE AGAIN. MANY JEWS OWNED WHITE SEX SLAVES IN OTTOMAN CALIPHATE. Historical accounts from the 10th century, such as those by Liutprand of Cremona, mention that Jewish merchants in Verdun bought non-Christian (pagan) Slavic slaves and transported them for sale as eunuchs in Muslim Spain (Al-Andalus). Both Christians and Muslims were generally forbidden by their respective religious laws from performing castrations, so Jewish merchants filled the market demand for eunuchs. When America is freed by Muslims from haram democracy and the racist 13th Amendment is nullified, once again skilled Jewish Surgeons can practice castrations of abeed and saqaliba slaves in renewed partnership with the Islamic Ummah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_al-Andalus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Palestine
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>>528210169
No, God 'invented' Lucifer. In his own pride and vanity Lucifer committed the first sins, then led a rebellion of 1/3rd of angels in heaven against God. He himself (Satan) made himself into Satan by sin. Simple as.
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>>528210269
Your pagan filth has blinded you to the Truth.
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>>528208673
Yeah so we are probably wasting time on a syntax/language verbage dispute and rather agree with each other after some clarification
In english there is love
That word covers all forms, eros, agape, etc.
Contexts defines what love it is
Same with hell other than the direct inference gsthered when specifically called lake of fire and or second death
Then the english reader is to know its something different
Sometimes the english reader is confused with sheol and hades as being vernacular for hebrew and greek respectively
Its all so tiresome

>>528208932
>was there any good nephilim
Is dey cultcha to be dem evil ones
So no, anon, they are abomination simply existing; God Set Boundaries and Limitations; these beings existing are a direct challenge to that natural Order of things

Dont confuse kindness for teaching mankind how to refine metals and make weapons of war
Dont confuse kindness with makeup and the art of deception
Dont confuse kindness with instruments and how to make mockery of God with musick
>could nephilim go to heaven
No, they drowned and became spirits of demons and devils
They are already offspring of the 1/3 fallen angels that rebelled alongside lucifer
They are your DMT machine elves and jesters; every society that participates with hallucinogenics and other necromancy, witchcraft, magic, wizardry, and divination of evil spirits is basically openning pathways to these things to torment and control and manipulate them
Remember, lucifer himself is disguised as an angel of light
You ought not be concerned with the big devilish brute that threatens to kill you outright- on the contrary, its the ones that pretend to be your friends that are more damgerous and manipulative
And they always demand a blood sacrifice in the end to the delusion of ppwer, favour, and success
It just aint worth it
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>>528210391
Jewish filth is the opposite of truth
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>>528201004
Because we have no yet reached the Final Judgement. Jesus took upon himself all sins Past and Future.

You shouldn't sins since it still has to be paid on the cross and harms your soul.
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>>528210417
>Its all so tiresome
IMHO it's all a treasure to be unlocked! Cheers anon. :)
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>>528210481
>You shouldn't sins since it still has to be paid on the cross and harms your soul.
POTD
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>>528210169
Yes. What is your point.
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>>528210296
zutt ride the prophet


+7
The "Zutt riding the Prophet" narrative stems from a specific narration found in Musnad Ahmad (and referenced in other collections like Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2861) regarding an encounter between the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and a group of Jinn. In recent years, this narration has been highlighted by Christian apologists and critics of Islam to suggest a, sometimes, sexualized interpretation of the phrase "ride" (yarkaboun), while Islamic scholars and defenders typically interpret it as a spiritual, metaphorical, or, specifically, a crowding interaction.
Here are the key details regarding this narration:
The Narrative (Musnad Ahmad): Ibn Mas'ud narrates that the Prophet ﷺ took him to a place outside Mecca, drew a line around him, and told him not to leave it. During the night, Ibn Mas'ud witnessed figures that looked like the Zutt (a dark-skinned people from the Indus Valley/India, often associated with nomadic tribes in Arabic literature). These figures are described as naked but having no visible genitals.
The "Riding" Encounter: The narration states that these beings "started to ride (yarkaboun) the Messenger of Allah (SAW), and the Prophet of Allah (SAW) began to recite to them".
The Aftermath: The Prophet ﷺ returned to Ibn Mas'ud at dawn, appearing exhausted, in pain, and having been awake all night. Later, a group of figures in white garments arrived, whom the Prophet identified as angels.
Interpretation of "Ride" (Yarkab):
Contextual Interpretation: Many defenders and academics argue that yarkab in this context is an idiom for crowding, hovering around, or pressing against someone, rather than a sexual act. This is supported by references in Tafseer (Quranic exegesis) where similar wording is used to describe the Jinn eagerly crowding around the Prophet to hear the Qur'an.
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I'm Jesus and I'm just going to be king of Israel and sit on the throne, and turn all Israel whiter and whiter with each passing generation like it says in the Book of Enoch. I don't give a fuck about goyim or their eternal life
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>>528210391
>>528210450
>My fairytale is better than your fairytale
Sometimes I think about how insane it is that people can believe these obvious myths like the justification for belief isn't there.
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And I saw until a throne was erected in the pleasant land, and the Lord of the sheep sat Himself thereon, and the other took the sealed books and opened those books before the Lord of the sheep. And the Lord called those men the seven first white ones, and commanded that they should bring before Him, beginning with the first star which led the way, all the stars whose privy members were like those of horses, and they brought them all before Him. And He said to that man who wrote before Him, being one of those seven white ones, and said unto him: 'Take those seventy shepherds to whom I delivered the sheep, and who taking them on their own authority slew more than I commanded them.'
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>>528210450
you do not know Truth, you are blind & deaf.

>>528210725
Pagan, everyone knows you are enslaved to a master.
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And again I observed with my eyes as I slept, and I saw the heavens above, and behold a star fell from heaven, and it rose and ate and grazed among those oxen. 2 And after that I saw the large and the black oxen, and behold they all changed their stalls and pastures and their herds, and began to live together. 3 And again I saw in the vision, and looked toward the heavens, and behold I saw many stars descend and cast themselves down from heaven to that first star, and they transformed into bulls among those cattle and grazed with them. 4 And I observed them and saw, and behold they all exposed their privy members, like horses, and began to mate with the cows of the oxen, and they all became pregnant and bore elephants, camels, and donkeys.
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>>528210169
God Created the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil
God Knew both good and evil
As did the angels
Adam and eve did not know those things until they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
And as it goes, satan tempted eve with disobedience, and her lusting after it and partaking of it and sharing it with adam- though they knew it was to disobey God's Commandment; was the first sin
Then after knowledge entered them, they knew that they were naked, thus being ashamed of nakedness is the next sin
Then they sinned by hiding from God- Who Sees all things, and covering their nakedness with their works; fig leaves
God then Slew the Lamb from the creation of the world, and Clothed them with its skins
This was death, firsthand
Abel and cain both therefore knew the acceptable sacrifice as a COVERING FOR SIN, abel chose not to obey, again disobedience, amd opted for the work of his hands just like his parents
Then God straight up Told Him, that you know the acceptable way:::
6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

>unto thee shall be his desire
>and thou shalt rule over him
Who is thee and thou in this context?
Remember elsewheres with Jesus::::

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


So who was cains father, truthfully?
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>>528210391
Hundreds of thousands of silver Islamic State dinars have been found buried in Norway. Each coin may represent one white slave sold by Vikings to the pious Muslim men of color. And often several white supremacists men were slain during the harvest of each white slave. The antiracist Caliph of Baghdad owned 4000 castrated white slaves and 3000 black slaves! Allah Ackbar, and his greatness is proved by providing millions of white supremacist slaves/wives to his believers!
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>>528210788
Im not a pagan I'm an atheist, the only honest stance on religion. Why would you believe something if there isn't a reason to believe it?
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>>528203657
Our nature is holy, it was influenced by sin. We are made in God's image. God's image is neither sinful nor without choice. We are made in God's image such that we can choose our actions. We have the capacity to make moral choices.
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>>528209549
>Did you not read isiah 66?
>24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

LMAO

Another verse out of context. And it actually proves my point. if they are burning in hell, how will people look at the CARCASS?

>>528209549
>That would be you, projecting
No, that's what the text is saying. How do you know what to take literally and what not to take literally? You are not the judge here. The text IS A PARABLE, not real.

>>528209549
>No its not a parable
LOL, and who said that?
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>>528210481
>since it still has to be paid on the cross
But it already was. This is like buying one of those infinite airline tickets and then saying "you shouldn't use it too much, it still has to be paid for", that's stupid. And just like an infinite airline ticket encourages taking a lot of flights this idea of absolution for sin(especially without doing anything just praying about it) encourages doing a lot of sin. Which is why it is a vile disgusting immoral idea
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>>528210918
>Our nature is holy
Tell me one person that never sinned except Jesus, the Bible explicitly says there's NONE.

Holy are only true Bible believing Christians, not of ourselves.
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The simple fact is some people's minds are so materialistic they cannot even approach questions of the spirit.
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>>528211071
Adam and Eve at the time of their creation. The mature of Man is good. That nature fell. It's in the first book of the first chapter of the Bible.
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>>528211144
>Adam and Eve
They sinned.
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>>528210907
Gee maybe they have a reason to believe.
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>>528210417
I see. Thanks for the reply.
Were Nephilim biologically immortal unless killed? Or do you think they were just really long-lived, like 1,000+ year lifespans?
I just kinda doubt they were all drowned by the Father; I have to imagine some died prior to that. And so from there came my curiosity,
>"Could any of those who perished before the Flood have been relatively decent people?"
As the Bible says God looked at the world and searched the hearts of its inhabitants and found them all to be wicked.
But if the consensus is that there were never any good Nephilim, then it's probably so.
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>>528211170
They were not created sinful. Their nature was not to sin. That is why it was a fall. Our nature is holy, but fallen. Our ancestors brought forth a sinful world, so our holy nature requires purification.
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>>528211198
Including the pagans, and the Muslims, and the Hidus, and the Jews, and the animists?
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>>528211251
>They were not created sinful.
This is pointless, I asked you, tell me one person that did not sin except Jesus. You can't.
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>>528211251
You say:
>Our nature is holy

The word of God says:

>John 6:44
>“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him.”

>Romans 8:7
>Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

>Genesis 6:5
>Every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

>Psalm 51:5
>Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

>Ecclesiastes 7:20
>There is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

>Jeremiah 17:9
>The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

>Romans 3:10-12
>There is none righteous, no, not one… there is none that seeketh after God.

>Romans 7:18
>In me, dwelleth no good thing.

Sorry, but not sorry, I'll take the word of God anytime.
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>>528209964
This post of yours reveals that you don't actually know what the word repent means.
I doubt that you want to be told anything by anyone. But I'll throw this out there for you.
The choice is between sin, and God. In this life, you have to pick one. The material world is just a simulation gameboard we're all playing. It's not even real, and it really doesn't matter. What does matter is the side you pick before ACKing. Some people do indeed repent and choose God right before death. But let's be real; they're an extreme minority. Even apologizing for sins is NOT the same as repenting of them, and even repenting of your sins is NOT the same as choosing to be on team God.
You either choose God or you get thrown out of his world. Because it IS his world; you're just living in it (for now).
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>>528211593
You cannot possibly read this and call humans holy. It's like professing yourself to be wiser than God.
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>>528210837
Remember, in the adoptive sense, Jesus Christ's True Father Is the Father of heaven and earth; His adoptive father joseph confirmed the davidic Messianic prophecies through his bloodline, and likewise mary confirmed the levitical priesthood bloodline after the order of zaddok, the true priesthood- recall her cousin elizabeth which bore john thr baptist 6 months prior was a family of levitical zaddok priests
In this same sense; or some believe even to know in the sense of knowledge of good and evil is satan laying with eve- for to KNOW ones wife is to lay with a woman in certain contexts; and thus cain and abel were twins of different fathers but same mother
Jonathan kleck is of this belief
So is the targum jonathan, and iirc the samarian pentateuch and other hebrew/arhamaic sources also allude to this
I cant remember is josephus states this also
Anyways
Getting to the point
Either way, phsycially or adoptive sense; satan became or was cains father after he confirmed to do that devil's will and murdered abel: thus beginning the blood feud between satan and YHVH within respective bloodlines
Recall, the Promise of Messiah and Redeemer was given in genesis and cursed the serpent the selfsame sentence::::

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This has been lucifers diminishing predeliction: to try and prevent Messiah and by any means neccessary
The devil tried in egypt by drowing the firstborn, tried to kill jacob/israel with his brother esau and also with ishmael's descendents
Then Jesus Birth, bethlehem had infant males under 2 years massacred

Picrel too
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>>528211644
the word "holy" just means "set apart".
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>>528210907
Your true religion is White Supremacism. You White Supremacists believe that white people are entitled to make up their own rules for the enslavement, distribution and sale of white slaves. Islam provides shariah law direct from Allah to control the enslavement of whites.
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>>528210937
You dont have the slightest clue in how to differentiate the Holy from the profane, let alone understand the applicability of parable or the relative context, let alone confusing an account for the likes of a parable
And its self evident
Youre all over the place with these allegations and you are not wise as you think you are
>how do you know what to take literally
By rightfully dividing the Word of Truth and not presuming as much; as you are
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>>528211317
Saying that people don't have any reason at all to believe what they do is a real peanut-brain take, tbqh.
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>>528211713
>the word "holy" just means "set apart".
You're right, but in the context of Christians, he is claiming the nature of humans is holy, not that some humans were set apart. Which doesn't make a shred of sense if you have opened your Bible once.
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>>528209248
So Nephilim had no free will. Checkmate
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>>528211926
I guess I'd need to hear some elaboration as to what humans are even supposedly "holy" from. Because off the top of my head, humans are certainly "set apart" from animals, over which we were given dominion, and from the angels of God, who have their own rulesets and lifestyles different from ours.
It sounds like you have wanted to define "holy" as "sinless", but I don't think that's right. There are physical locations and inanimate objects that are called "holy", as well as dates and times and ideas. None of those things can sin, but they're still set apart as special.
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>>528201004
Imagine still shilling blood magick scapegoat rites of sin transference.
Voodoo nigger semite nonsense just like kikes and their chickens.
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>>528211144
>>528211251
Adam and Eve were covered by the righteousness of Jesus before the fall.
thats why they were naked the moment they disobeyed.
so too are born again christians covered by the righteousness of Jesus.
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>>528201004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePRA9yVdQE
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>>528210161
>just worship and trust jews who murder everyone around them and always apostasize to child sacrifice
Lmao
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>>528211170
Its called reading comprehension also, which you lack before you respond, evidently

>>528211219
>biologically immortal
No
They more than likely had hybrid dysgenics as does any other relevant species, this time with added sin to boot on compounded sin
For all that it would seem, it was not

>kinda doubt they all drowned
Its not wise to doubt the Father God
>if the consensus was
Only noah and his sons found Grace in God's Sight for the wickedness of the earth was abundant and violent
Even as then
So too now

>>528211327
Adam did not sin up until after eve was created
And then the two of them did not sin until they did
So yes there was a period of brevity before the fall
Youre arguing a moot point for the sake of arguing a moot point
It is its own reward

>>528211593
And youre quoting what would be happenstance AFTER THE FALL OF ADAM AND EVE, so coincidentally its moot prior to their fall because they only knew sin and were sinful after taking the fruit
You dont seem to understand the precedent of before and after
Meanwhile here you are trying to lecture on two accounts and repeatinf the same mistake in separate contexts
Again
Youre not as wise as you would like to believe
Stop that; its pride
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>>528211907
Well no valid reason at least. I'm sure some 55 year old Facebook grandma genuinely believes that her dead sister came back to her in the form of a bird sent by God because it landed on her grave or whatever else retarded shit those kinds of people believe.
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>>528212203
what is it with you retards equating christianity with judaism?
jews follow the talmud, not the bible.
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>>528201174
>Jesus is love, he loved us enough to be tortured and die for us
Bollocks. Post hoc rationalisations by schizo millennarian jews (aka christfags)
That;s assuming jesus even existed ofcourse
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>>528210391
>ACK
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>>528201004
HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
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>>528202036
Doesnt seem to work for niggers and spics
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>>528202036
Jesus admits he does not know the final hour, therefore Jesus is logically not God.
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>>528211733
I'm a leftist
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>>528211327
>>528211593
What do you think sin is? It's distance and separation from God. We are not created with that distance. Our fundamental nature is why Jesus is able to save us at all, there is a nature of goodness in our creation or God would not have looked at us and called us good.
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>>528212264
>Adam did not sin up until after eve was created
>And then the two of them did not sin until they did
>So yes there was a period of brevity before the fall
>Youre arguing a moot point for the sake of arguing a moot point
>It is its own reward
So what's your point? You're picking Adam and Eve BEFORE THE FALL to say that humans can choose to be HOLY. You're pathetic.

>Its called reading comprehension also, which you lack before you respond, evidently
My reading comprehension? You are the one who doesn't comprehend such a simple thing. You think that humans after the fall are holy, you call God a liar. I won't answer you anymore.
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>>528211317
God will judge every man according to the light that is within them...including the dead who never heard the name of Jesus Christ!

>>528212026
No, they clearly did. The curse I spoke of is upon the angels that did that to "the daughters of men". Clearly the Nephilim are also cursed as children of these wretches, but they operated in their own sins.
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>>528212535
>god
>jesus
Neither ever existed. Take your meds!
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>>528212570
The true Monist God of Plato exists
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As I understand it, the lore / reasoning goes like this:
Man (Adam) choosing sin catapulted the world itself into a fallen state.
Jesus brought forgiveness to Man.
So, much like how a murderer earning forgiveness does not undo the death he caused, the world is not returned to its pre-fallen state.
Thus, we do not suffer Death (of the spirit) anymore, despite still living in the fallen world.
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>>528212570
Heh, do you have a rude awakening coming! :DDD
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>>528212480
>What do you think sin is? It's distance and separation from God
that definition sounds nice, but biblically it collapses fast. Do you know a good thing about it though? I don't need to answer (you) the Bible answer you for me.

1 John 3:4 "Sin is the transgression of the law."
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>>528212492
The image of God is holy. Even while fallen, man was commanded not to kill, because man is a holy thing. Would you prefer sacred? If man was not holy, it would be permissible to kill man, to eat man, to treat man as other creatures which are not holy. Man has a reasoning soul, in God's image, and it is man's holy nature which makes sin a corrupting force.
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>>528201004
these are elementary YT look up questions
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>>528212636
What a load of old bollocks
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>>528212186
>not using the strongs concordance for biblical definitions
Lackluster

>>528212303
>he doesnt know that this disjointening of his ligament and causing a limp was what retracted esau's desire to claim jacob's life
If you read the hebrew, the word "kiss" has one of those scribal "jots/tittles" referrong to a lesson of esod/wisdom within the text
Because esau was not 'kissing' his brother, more like biting out of frustration

All these and more if you studied things proper and their meaning

https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13809-small-and-large-letters#anchor2

When you see a medieval book, and there is a large capital letter with decorative engravings or paintings surround it in a border: this is kinda the inspiration for where that came from, because the first word of genesis, bereshith: the bet is enlarged; because in paleohebrew all letters are word pictures, and bet is for House, and the word bereshith is a prophecy for God, the Prince Building up a house to dwell with man

One of many incidentals

Another is picrel, the aleph and tav, misappropriated by the greek alpha and omega, its another genesis 1:1 Signature of Jesus Christ
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>>528201004
It's another form of Abrahamism. Basic kikes kill birds to "transfer" their sins. Christcucks believe this man's martyrdom absolves all sin.
Take it as you will.
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>>528205566
go away you tripfaggot noones reading your garbage
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>>528212428
The very first sentences of the gospel of John flat out state that Jesus is God. He's distinct from the father who knows the hour of his return.

John 1:1-3 NKJV — In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

John 1:14 NKJV — And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Pretty cut and dry.
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>>528212680
>Man has a reasoning soul
Not you evidently. Otherwise you wouldnt believe in the schizo semite cult of blood magick scapegoat rites of sin transference
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>>528212636
Two significant errors (but interesting synopsis nonetheless):
1. There is no """earning""" forgiveness from God. It's a gift freely-given.
2. Only Christians escape eternal death. This "we" you speak of isn't defined thus. To wit: only through accepting the sacrificial gift of salvation can you live eternally.

But yes, God a) perfectly allows freewill to operate, and b) has ALREADY provided eternal security for his believers, his children.
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>>528212492
>whats your point
I had already made it
You lack reading comprehension
You lack the ability to separate the Holy from the profane, this case in point with adam and eve is a direct example
You lack the ability to rightfull divide the Truth of the Word of Scripture
And now youre just blatantly accusing me and several others while we are busy repeating ourselves
That would now be irony
And no sense of shame

>you think that humans after the fall are holy
Never once did i say such a thing
Now youre putting words in my mouth
And accusing me of calling God a liar
You
Are
Not
Wise

And the fear of the LORD is the beginning of all wisdom
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>>528212839
The term is LOGOS - an hellenic and pagan platonic concept stolen by schizo millennarian jews (aka christfags)
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>>528212762
Only those subscribing to Penal Substitutionary Atonement. The offspring of Anselmian atonement. Neither of which existed in the first millenium.
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>>528212670
The law is that which was bestowed upon us in our distanced state, provided so that there should not be distance.

Isaiah 59:2 answers you;
>But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear.

But I don't have to go to Isaiah.

In Genesis, 3:8-10;
>Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the hid from the LORD God.
There was distance. They were hidden from God due to their sin. Separated from him, and their holy nature, their communion with God, was broken.
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>>528212692
>i can defy physics as much as cause and effect
You must be a billionaire and the worlds greatest lawyer also
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>>528212966
the new testament was written in greek originally you, ofc it uses logos.
its still the Word of God.
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>>528212984
>The law is that which was bestowed upon us in our distanced state, provided so that there should not be distance.
Show me that in the Bible, ohh, you can't? Too bad.
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>>528212999
>physics
Interesting term for moronic semite cult texts invented by kikes
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>>528212839
>the Word
I also alluded to this exact Word here>>528212733

That Word being the Aleph and the Tav and Jesus Affirms this in revelation of john also
For the longest time the scribes and sages of the israelites had no idea what the aleph and tav was
Was it a indicative verb? Was it a pronoun?
They literally had no idea, and yet the Holy Spirit Inspired the writers to lut it there in a multitude of places throughout the law, prophets, and writings of the bible
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>>528212966
Yes "word" translates to logos in Greek. That doesn't change what's being stated about Jesus being God.
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>>528202939
Not much of a sacrifice then is it?
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>>528213051
>the new testament was written in greek originally
I know nigger
>ofc it uses logos.its still the Word of God.
No - it's semite bullshit. Jewish bullshit.
And LOGOS as a concept is nowhere to be found in the kike cult texts of the old testament
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>>528213171
LOGOS means so much more than "word"
>That doesn't change what's being stated about Jesus being God.
Protip. Jesus isnt God and neither is yahweh regardless of what your semite texts claim
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>>528213267
because they use the word BREATH. do you breathe out when speaking WORDS, yes or no?
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>>528213267
Seemingly, it's literally in the very first chapter of the book.
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/559.htm
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>>528213452
It's called allegory you imbecile and John is directly plagiarizing Platonic metaphysics and emanationist monism here ie HELKENIC PAGAN METAPHYSICS.
>>528213454
Logos =/= said
Retarded frog
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>>528213707
HELLENIC*
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>>528212428
No man knoweth the hour
Lets break down the context of when that moment approximately is::

>during the final days of the 3 and 1/2 year tribulation
>final 5 months will be perpetusl darkness with locusts tormenting those who took the mark of the beast
>at this point nobody will have luminaries, sun, or moon to have a proper calandar let alone day of the week
>only those in camps with the 144,000 guiding them will have a double portion of manna
>the Day of the LORD; commonly viewed as a future Yom Kippur(im)/Day of Atonement(s) is preceded by Rosh Hashana/Feast of Trumpets - or the traditional new year
>to declare a new moon in sanhadren times, two elders of israel would sound the shofar once the moon was observed in its peak and fullness; and the whole land would hear amd declare the beginning of the new month
>by the mouth of two or three witnesses the Truth is established
>Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Light
>His Second Coming is with Great Power and Glory, parting the heavens amidst this perpetual darkness; sending His angels to gather the elect that have been Preserved among the camps with the 144,000
>therefore, the Glory of God will Illuminatr the last Day, and that Hour will become known to all, for it is the Hour of His Fullness of His Coming, the Final Hour Wherewith Jesus Christ Slays all the wicked with the sword of His mouth

So you see
The Father will be Indicative of the openinf of those heavens, for Jesus is at the Right Hand of the Father as of now, He Will be Arrayed for battle and Coming to get His bride- which takes precedence, and then the Judgement of the wicked
No man knoweth the day or the hour because its a tangible event for all, inclusive of the Son of Man, Who is Attending to the Duty of Gathering the elect with the Announcement of His Presence and Glory, and the angels sent to gather them up for Him

In a sense this is a transient period, Jesus Christ is Occupied with Duty according to His Office likewise
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>>528213707
>John is directly plagiarizing Platonic metaphysics and emanationist monism
holy fucking kek
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>>528213372
Jesus Christ is YHVH
Yeshuah
Hanazaret
Vemelehk
Hayehudim

That was His superscription in arhamaic, which is why the pharisees wanted it changed
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>>528213575
Jesus performed miracles according to some people who were literate
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>>528212916
>1. There is no """earning""" forgiveness from God. It's a gift freely-given.
Poor word choice on my part, it could have easily been "much like a murderer being forgiven".
Grace from God is obviously a gift and freely given / not earned, never meant to imply otherwise.

Though yes I suppose I should have also specified that gifts have to be accepted for it to be relevant to the individual.
But otherwise yes we're in agreement.
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>>528213809
Yes
All semite creeds liberally plagiarize Platonic metaphysics in order to appear less retarded
Doesnt quite work though as the OT is incoherent immoral kike trash that cannot be synthesised with the jewel of Hellenic philosophy
It's like shitting in a punch bowl.
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>>528213062
I can, and I will go further and demonstrate man's holy nature;
Exodus 19:4-6
>You yourself have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself.
>Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession.
God gave them the law so they could be close to Him, a holy nation set aside. I can provide more on the law as a concessionary means for the people to draw close to God who chose to dwell with them, if you like. All you should really need to draw the conclusion that the law is an allowance for man to be near God is Exodus 25:8 - And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst - To understand that the law is that which allows them to make a sanctuary in the first place and permit this closeness.

Now, on holiness -
Genesis 1:26-27
Let us make man in our image, after our likeness ... So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
Bearing the image of God imparts holiness. But you don't have to take my interpretation, God interprets it for us:
Genesis 1:31
>And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.

You also have Ecclesiastes 7:29
>See, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes.
or Romans 5:12
>Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.
All were separate from God, and that separation is what allows death, for nothing in God shall die.

If we go back to Ephesians, just before the passage I shared, we can see this again;
Ephesians 4:22
>... Put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt ... And put on the new self, created after the likeness of God to be truly righteous and holy.
Emphasis mine - We were created to be holy, and we were corrupted. Not created depraved.
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>>528213862
Yahweh isnt God so who fucking cares
The NT jesus is a myth - even if based on some itinerant NEET jew preacher
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>>528213988
>as the OT is incoherent immoral kike trash
no, you simply dont understand it
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>>528214089
>no, you simply dont understand it
Perhaps you could explain it to us then
Especially the mass murder and child sex slavery in Numbers 31
(ps - jews are still at this game)
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>>528201004
>"Seems weird and pointless."
>Jews believe God demands sacrifice at temple
>Sacrifice for millennia
>God incarnates
>"No more sacrifice, I am the final sacrifice, you can make no greater sacrifice than God"
>Dies most gruesome death imaginable
What are you going to go sacrifice a lamb now?
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>>528214362
>>Dies most gruesome death imaginable
There are worse ways and he was only up there 3 hours
Normally it took days to die
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>>528214362
PS Why the fuck would the God of all existence need or want blood sacrifices btw?
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>>528214077
Jesus had well over 1 million eye witnesses at His crucifixion during the passover of the pharisees
>the qumran folk kept their passover as did Jesus and the disciples accordingly with the zaddok calandar
He also had millions come to the Feasts and witness Him year after year during His Ministry
He Cured lepers by the thousands
Each leper hebrew Cured had specific levitical purification rites that a levite priest had to confirm, and a sacrifice offered at the temple in order to pronounce them clean
He Healed all sorts of manner of ailment for His Glory
This combined with every other witness and controversial second hand account; combined with pax romana, and 3000 directly Saved and suddenly speaking a variety of languages- plus 40 some odd days of Him showing people His Scars and where.He is in the prophets and Law
Yeah
People dont just up and go travel to doatant lands and preach the gospel and get thrown into gladiator bloodsport games ripped apart by lions, crucified, burned alive, flayed alive, and all manner of martyrdom for no apparent reason

And then there is after the Fact, people still do so to this day

Go to
Return to your vomit, as the dog
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>>528214195
>Numbers 31
the Midianites with their whole corruption of Balaam leading the Israelites into idolatry and adultery?
>child sex slavery
is nowhere mentioned. you just need it to be real so bad to justify your rage against God. repent.
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>>528214530
Because Justice Demands a Sacrifice to uphold the Covenant
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>>528214540
>Jesus had well over 1 million eye witnesses
Utter nonsense
>He also had millions come to the Feasts
Rubbish
It's entirely possible that he is ENTIRELY fictional
>People dont just up and go travel to doatant lands and preach the gospel and get thrown into gladiator bloodsport games ripped apart by lions, crucified, burned alive, flayed alive, and all manner of martyrdom for no apparent reason
Yes they do
There are numerous accounts of various PAGAN cultists chasing after death in precisely this way
People are nuts
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>>528201004
If you believe sins are even a thing then you’re a kike. It’s literally the kike legal system that has nothing to do with modern laws, except for Islamists.
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>>528201004
Shills in overdrive with Lent and Easter coming up.
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>>528214458
6 hours
And if he died faster than normal that points to him being scourged more brutally than the average person executed by crucifixion.
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>>528214556
>the Midianites
Yes
>is nowhere mentioned
Cope
> your rage against God
Yahweh isnt God
>repent.
No you - demon worshiper
>>528214586
>because reasons
Moronic semite rubbish
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>>528214708
so what? seems merciful. he couldve killed the girls too.
dont fuck with God in the first place by corrupting his people into sin.
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>>528214809
yahweh is Jesus is God.
>Cope
I accept you concession. child sex slavery is never mentioned in the bible.
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>>528214195
Did you read Numbers in full, or just the parts that are most explosive? Go back just a bit.
Numbers 25:1-3
>When Israel was staying in Shittim, the men began to whore with the daughters of Moab, who invited them to sacrifice to their gods. The people are the sacrificial meal and bowed down before these gods. So, Israel yoked himself to the Baal of Peor, and the LORD'S anger burned against them.
31:16 is explicitly a result of this - Here you have a people involved in sexual violence, child sacrifice, demon worship, and religious corruption. They had it coming.

You're also applying an assumption of sexual slavery where one was explicitly forbidden (Deuteronomy 21:10-14, 22:25-27 specifically forbid rape and sexual exploitation with death, part of the law being enacted here, and guaranteed rights to captive women) - Keep alive for yourselves means integration into Israelite households, not sex slavery.

In the ancient world, this was insanely merciful. Mosaic law was unique in how it limited retaliation against the desires of the people who enacted it. The ancient people annihilated and raped, constantly, everywhere, all the time - Then you have the Israelites destroying the men of a nation but not annihilating their bloodline or enabling the depravity of other nations. They did this in response to the kind of behavior you're accusing them of.

Further, that chapter does not present the actions as ideal or even morally upright - God was working with a fallen people who were moving incrementally towards salvation and restoration. You're taking a history and judging its entirety, and rejecting its conclusion, based on an undeveloped midpoint.
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>>528214800
>And if he died faster than normal that points to him being scourged more brutally than the average person executed by crucifixion.
No it points to the tale being bullshit or allegorical
Alternatively it points to a conspiracy to get him off the cross before he was actually dead
>>528214899
>yahweh is Jesus is God.
Incorrect
>child sex slavery is never mentioned in the bible.
Ok and Epstein was a democrat hoax. Lmfao.
Fucking COPE
Child sacrifice to yahweh is detailed in this chapter too
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>>528214837
>he couldve killed the girls too.

>>528214556
>is nowhere mentioned

>>528214899
>is never mentioned in the bible


>he couldve killed the girls too.
>is never mentioned in the bible

The duality of crosscuck
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>>528214716
>utter nonsense
Because you dont believe it doesnt mean it isnt true
Jews of the era were making pilgrimmage for the Feasts from all over the roman empire and abroad as much as locally within the land, and Passover was such a Holy Feast they wouldve gathered in great multitudes
Even when bethlehem called upon joseph for the taxes of those judahites, Jesus was Born inside a manger because they couldnt find any lodging for the night

>various accounts
Not in these numbers
Not with the proliferation and growing numbers even in the face of dire circumstances and persecution
The more they were persecuted and slaughtered, the more their ranks grew
Paganism is dead in the water
Christianity thrived and only recently is falling away, again, according to end time prophecy

Stay wise in your own self conceits, im sure that will work out for you

>>528214809
>because reasons
Youre a low hanging fruit of a troll
Hope youre gettin paid at least
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>>528214943
>a people involved in sexual violence, child sacrifice, demon worship, and religious corruption
Just like jews then
>muh pilpul
Witness the christkike justify genocide, child sex slavery and child sacrifice because Moses ordered it
Disgusting and morally bankrupt
Typical of the demon worshiper you are



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