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This is political because it's economy.
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>>528600935
>2024
>analyst BTC to $1M soon
>2026
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>>528600935
>10k
It will never go that low. Zoom out, nigger.
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(((bloom(((berg))) (((analyst)))))))))
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>>528600935
Buy buy buy buy buy
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Trump family rug pulled this shit
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>>528601068
>Imaginary internet points will never go that low because it's value is backed by uhhhhhh
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>>528600935
Didn't it show in the epstein files that epstein made Bitcoin? I feel like this got memory hole more then the kiddie eating
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>>528600935
Bull flag
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>>528600935
It's a controlled demolition.
>Bitcoin invented by the Pentagon to facilitate an experiment
>experiment on the population has concluded
>it's time to introduce Stablecoins, CBDC, programmable currency, money that can be digitally tracked etc
>can't let average people get rich on Bitcoin scams
>it's time to demolish Bitcoin
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>>528600935
its hit a wall in becoming "the global frictionless currency" and is even losing ground to other methods of moving large sums of money quickly and untracabally as trust and acceptance of other coins becomes widespread.

Ive been into BTC since /b/ told me about it in July 2010. But it may be over for a while. It will be up to the wider community/market to see if it actually collapses
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>>528601068
the mantra of all bagtards
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>>528600935
>crypto will fall
bait, USA owns the largest share of crypto. same as gold.
For crypto to drop to 10k it would require all countries with gold stores to also drop.
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>>528600935
Last Updated: Feb 16, 2026 at 11:58 a.m. EST
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BTC is based on hope and believe
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>>528600935
Its technology from 2008 why anybody would think 18 year old tech that never really took off would be useful is beyond me
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>Bitcoin is crashing again and again, and the US Dollar is pushing time highs happy days are here again.

0.00000000000000000000000000123 bitcoin has been deposited into your shill account, go buy a house, a wife and kids, and a bouncing car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B4524ot5BM
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>>528601068
20-30k range seems like the next price floor
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>>528601314
No you fucking dipshit.
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>>528600935
out of the 5 programmers who created bitcoin 3 were financed by epstein himself
what does this imply?
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>>528601617
So what will it drop to?
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>>528600935

who cares? Bring on the kino suicide footage.
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When bitcoin was trading at some 16 thousand dollars like 2 years ago I was right here say load the boat before we go to a million and change.

Now I get to do it again. These years and decades they just keep coming and going.

Bitcoin hasn't risen yet. The US Dollar is being printed away at a geometric rate, and so A bitcoin will trade for a house, will later trade for a full sized 600 unit 3.7 star hotel.
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>>528600935
Always do the opposite of what jews say. Bottom is likely $50k for this cycle. Last bottom was $15k. One before that was $3k
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>>528600935
Crypto was always retarded. It's a solution to a problem that has been fixed for decades, and all the "anonymous" transactions are actually clearly annotated on the block chain.
It was always just a speculation playground and reality is about to hit just like it did for NFTs
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A lot of "experts" claiming bitcoin will be worthless, going to zero
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>>528601674
>Dan Peña Bitcoin Jeffrey
https://youtu.be/phH5oAz3684
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>>528600935
when the msm says buy: sell
when the msm says sell: buy
they are not here trying to help the little guy get good investment advice, they are not working for you.

not financial advice, not a financial advisor. i don't think we're at the bottom. we might be in a bear market, crypto is long due for a long bear cycle. but now might be a good time to start dollar cost averaging. look into dollar cost averaging if you don't know what that is.

honestly, a year of bear market would be a great opportunity to get into the market.
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>>528601617
>My bags wont drop because some other guy in my country owns gold
Guys I think we finally broke them
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Buy at 30k sell at between 1 to 30 million USD, in 5 or ten years. Don't get too excited though, a median house will be trading for 30 million US dollars. And so technically bitcoin isn't rising, it's the ruler you're using to measure how large a bitcoin is shrinking to an infintesimal.

If the inch ticks on your ruler are shrinking to picometers, then of course everything is growing to be the size of stars now inflating to a red giants.

This loaf of bread is literally 100 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion US Dollars. Look at how expensive it is!!!
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its only use cases are smuggling money, gambling, drug dealing
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>>528600935
It's gambling tokens floating up on fomo and nothing else. Bitcoin won't ever moon again and no other crypto has mooned in a while so the normies lost fomo. They went back to gold and silver, at least it's shiny.
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>>528601314
no, he was early investing in it. that doesn't mean he invented it. don't take things you read here seriously without actually looking into it. many shills and people parroting shill talking points, like you.
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>>528602265
2016 called and wants its FUD back
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The Bitcoins you sold are now worth 8 thousand trillion dollars, and the penny candy store had to change its name to the Trillion dollar candy store.
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>>528600935
have these people ever followed crypto before? this happens every single year. these people really dont seem to understand how stock markets work. when bitcoin goes low, goes super low, the incentive to buy in once again becomes super beneficial, when people buy in it goes up again leading everyone to jump on the bandwagon to make some earnings. once it caps out on earnings investment isnt necessary and people beginning selling off. when that happens everyone drops off and sells lowering the value... and then repeat the cycle.
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>>528601068
>>528601760
The problem is that it did not get past the 2021 top. There's a term for this, but the anglo cattle is not allowed to have that thought, so there is no English term:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergiftetes_Wachstum
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>>528601921
I don't know, but not 10k. That's fucking retarded.
It would require a total and unironic collapse for it to drop that low of the entire US economy.
Which means

>global food shortage to the point almost every country is starving
USA is over 12% of world food export, the largest share. Most foreign economies would crash from this alone as without this share Germany the second highest wouldn't have the food surplus to export their shares.
Canada would go isolationist as would Australia also, since both can only sell their exports at profit from buying cheaper USA exports.
Go to a Canadian grocery store and it's 99.99% USA Goyslop for reference repackaged into Canadian boxes.
There is also the issue of worldwide imports, with the amount of importing USA consumes daily. The entire Chinese market crashes overnight and that has its own chain reactions.
We already mentioned USA is the largest gold share hoarder.

I digress dude, Bitcoin could drop 50% and I'd believe it, but dropping almost 80-90%?
It's so fucking unrealistic to the point of being a LARP.
USA is too invested in every single facet of global trade for this to happen. Such a crash of any one system would mean the world economy crashed entirely. NWO type shit.
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>>528601245
>muh heckin tulips!!!
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bitcoin 200k end of year.

People are manipulating the markets to try to let their cohorts buy in more before it continues to moon. Silver $200 end of year.
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>>528601068
What are the fundamentals that give bitcoin value and stop it dropping to 0?
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>>528602404
My toenails are in the USA right now, ergo they will never drop below 400 gorrillion. It would take a literal depression for my toenails to become unwanted because they are IN THE USA don't you get it?
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>>528601953
Can you at least see how that rainbow doesn't fit the tops and bottoms? It's completely doctored. The real chart says the final top is around 100k, which almost happened last year in 2010s dollars.
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>>528600935
It's not backed by any predictable cash flows, so all of the price fluctuations have been solely the product of speculation and fear/fomo.
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>>528600935
no better than NFTs
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I think we're at peak FUD / fear now - so it'll go up.
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>>528602499
Price floor is like 10-25 cents like other collectible / novelty coins from history
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>>528602598
I had a 97 year old lady asking me if it was a good time to buy some BTC, this is my recent shoe-shiner-stock-recommendation moment.
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>>528602598
Seems like anytime someone says an asset is dead that's the best time to buy. When they're saying how can I buy it you sell it.
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>>528602528
>NO AMERICA IS THE GREAT SATAN
>NO AMERICA HAS NO POWER AT ALL GLOBALLY

Duality of euphoria.
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Bitcoin is a first edition shitcoin. It has the best name with the worst early gen technology’s and it’s literally impossible to upgrade without fucking the whole thing. Other coins are vastly fucking superior. Shut it down and move over the servers solving a sudoku.

Bitcoin needs to die. Shut down the whole network.
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>>528602738
Although god damn
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>>528602404
>It would require a total and unironic collapse for it to drop that low of the entire US economy.
All it requires is a lack of buy side.

Obviously as long as exchanges make enough money to hoover up sales they will not let it crash that hard, but that depends on them making enough money.
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>>528601145

yeah bro... it was 63 recently and I'd seen people posting retarded claims trying to tie epstein to bitcoin... Owen Shroyer stated he thought people were trying to crash markets in some way as part of the epstein thing and/or a push for war with Iran. In any event... the silver prices going past 100 then falling all the way to 70 was suspicious to me. And when bitcoin was 63k when I went to bed, I said to myself, if it's lower than 63 in the morning, maybe it's joever. But if it's up... 200k end of year. And when I woke up it was $69,000.

Also recently there were some silver whales posting on social media about how they were buying silver by the hundreds of thousands of oz + shortages and emails from vendors i've used saying that they're working through a shortage, but still have stuff on hand. This isn't going to go down... just up.
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>>528600935
I would buy bitcoin but I don't have an account with an exchange and I don't know how to make one. I tried but I couldn't get my phone's camera working.
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>>528602758
>USA is powerful
>Therefore American bottlecaps are worth 50,000 dollars
You are the sell signal
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>>528600935
It means bitfuck goes to 200k soon, these street jeet analyst are wrong by default
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>>528602819
Bro it went down to 60,001.00.....
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>>528602499
>What are the fundamentals that give bitcoin value

crypto bypasses costs of 3rd party actors. Go see how much paypal is currently charging us in fees

crypto bypasses the need for a 3rd party actor. Go try to make a non-leftists website and see paypal, visa and credit card deny you service - something that in a civilization should be FULLY ILLEGAL, banks, monetary services, anything that is non-persoal and vital cannot be allowed to wage war on citizens by denying service to those they disagree with

some cryptos like Monero are fully private, preventing people from knowing how you spend your money.

some cryptos like Monero are fully private, preventing the government from knowing how you spend your money. The same government that is taxing you to import young male "refugees" that women like to have so much sex with

On the other hand, some crypto like bitcoin are instead made to be fully 100% traceable, impossible for even the government to hide a transaction in it. If we force the government to use something like bitcoin, with a same type of code and logic, that means we can easily track all government spending and decreae corruption by a infinite value compared to now. What is the value on stopping government corruption?

The fact people are still unaware of these things shows how early crypto is and why it will continue to grow exponentially

thanks for playing nocoiner, stay poor, enjoy your government fiat for now
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>>528602404
Does this retard think that bitcoin is fundamentally connected to the US economy? The causal relationship is weak and indirect, whichever direction you're trying to claim. Holy shit
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>>528602396
2021 top was 66k dollarinos, 2025 top was 120k
You were saying?
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>>528602897
None of what you just posted are fundamentals, smelly
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>>528600935
Rug pull.
They need you in CBDCs now.
Sorry goyim, the Jews gotta Jew.
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>>528602897
Don't need bitcoin for any of that.
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>>528602831
>(you)

>>528602899
If you're unaware, holding the largest share of something means you are unironically connected to that market for better or worst.
Are you so fucking retarded you can't understand that hurting one market has consequences for other markets?

Yes, unironically the country that holds the largest share of something, if economically harmed, has worldwide consequences that influence the entire world. This is economics 101 kid, if you cannot grasp this, you have no standing in this conversation, period.
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>>528602897
>Government says it's illegal now
>99% of people comply
>Criminals continue crime
>Drug cartels launder like always

I don't think investing in something which claims to basically be a tax evasion tool is a good idea
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>>528603088
You're steps behind but think you're steps ahead. You're implicitly saying that no single stonk can go belly up without a full collapse. Which of course is silly.
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>>528601488
hi CuSItL
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>>528602768
so you upgrade it to be faster, and it becomes less secure. so you upgrade it to be more secure, and it becomes less decentralized. you upgrade it to do more things and it becomes less secure again. bitcoins job is to be decentralized and secure. not fast and centralized like solana, not with a million functions like etherium. it's value is in its name, its proven track record, its market cap, it falls less then smaller coins and rises less as well, it's job is to be more stable and a store of value relative to the other coins. so no, newer coins do not replace bitcoin.
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>>528602454
hi B30ra8
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>>528601811
Bitcoin is a glownigger operation
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>>528603088
>The market cap of Bitcoin is too big for the USA as a whole to absorb the loss
Dude
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>>528603216
>its valuable because its valuable
Not a long term sustainable narrative. Fine in the short term, but ultimately and very transparently susceptible
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>>528601450
Good thing bitcoin is bigger than them

The vampires have it mostly captured for now, but it will just keep on running no matter what happens to these people who are temporarily in charge of tiny volatile subsets of global power
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How do I buy bitcoin?
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>>528601068
They are rolling out obligatory digital IDs linked to your money. It's over for crypto
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>>528600935
>$10k
this is what retards were calling for back in 2021/2022 and it didn't happen
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>>528601314
Epstein couldn't even write properly in English, pretty sure his dyslexia would have made him a terrible coder
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>>528603345
why is gold valuable? if all it was good for was its industrial applications and jewelry it would be a lot lot less valuable. gold is valuable because it has the natural properties of money, it is divisible (low melting point), durable (doesn't corrode), scarce, fungible, verifiable. bitcoin is all that but digital, not issued by a central bank, you control your coins. bitcoin is money.
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Does anyone have tips of how to buy monero and how to store it
I have a few from casually mining it forever but I want to buy a bunch
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>>528601953
This rainbow nonsense is a gigantic nigger cattle filter
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>>528603611
Almost nobody is paid for work in bitcoin. Nobody pays taxes in bitcoin. Nobody buys houses in bitcoin. Nobody buys food in bitcoin. Of course handfuls of people have some way of doing so indirectly, but functionally you know it's always done indirectly. Bitcoin is not a functioning currency, its an interesting tech that far and away behaves more like a volatile speculative asset. Gold suffers the same way but at least has industrial application, some semblance of government validation, and generally much wider belief in its store of value.
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>>528603611
>Durable
>Requires the most complex system ever built to work
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>>528603611
Also gold by your own admission has unique characters that add utility. Someone could make a bitcoin clone and the only difference would be network effect rather than unique utility. That's a glaring issue.
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>>528603817
Gold has no relevant industrial application.
Everyone needs stores of value outside whatever government system they temporarily reside in. Bitcoin is the ultimate version of that. It functions as hidden money you can travel anywhere with. Globalist Jews currently enjoy printing money at will to buy up everything will be the only ones who dispute this.
Bitcoin or another crypto currency WILL defeat these demons.
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>>528603976
gold, by its utility alone, aside from its utility as money, would sell for a fraction of what it does now. don't isolate half my point and leave it out of context

>>528603925
yes, it requires the internet. it will be useless if the entire world civilization collapses. go stock up on canned fish if you think that's happening.

>Someone could make a bitcoin clone
thousands have >>528603216

>>528603817
so you're saying we're still early
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>>528600935
BTC was an NSA project to get people used to digital currency and turn it into a tool of banking and total information awareness. BTC is no longer needed and will have all anonymity stripped from it and be turned into a banking asset not a currency. It is being turned into a globohomo store of value.

You should have realized this when the same high frequency arbitrage bots that dominate Wall Street with fake algorithmic trading in the thread of Blackrock's Aladdin took over the crypto exchanges. Crypto in general was just a newer way for state actors and intelligence to move dirty money around.

Now that you are initiated everything will be about stables backed by real commodities like Argentinian wheat while the native currencies are collapsed to generate flight to the stables. USA will have synthetic stables all being made to buy into our treasury. All for digital ID and tracking all your economic activity and being able to limit what and when you buy.

This is the future you chose for the sake of personal greed. The few networks that are ready for Q day are already king made. There will only be room for stables and infrastructure. Privacy was just the noose you hung yourselves with.
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>>528604237
It does not function like money. Not yet at least. This unequivocal.
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>>528604237
>Gold has no relevant industrial application.
wew baka r8 b8 7/8
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>>528604304
I was referring to the utility that makes it a choice store of value. I'll take you declining to address the rest of my post as a damning concession.
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>>528603976
> Someone could make a bitcoin clone and the only difference would be network effect rather than unique utility. That's a glaring issue.
Very true, but can you anctually come up with a compelling reason why everyone won’t just default to the original?
Everyone for all of time has wanted to store wealth in a way that it persists outside of whatever system you currently reside in. Global digital cash is the ultimate version.
People who experienced their country’s fiat dying, many examples just in recent history, know this all too well.
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>>528604443
>Very true, but can you anctually come up with a compelling reason why everyone won’t just default to the original?
Yes, the same reason most buyers of bitcoin have done so to date. Speculation in search of high returns.
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>>528604304
>It will be useless
What do you use it for now?
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>>528603817
bitcoin has decentralization, digital scarcity backed by energy, and transparency
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>>528604608
Nome of that addresses what I said whatsoever
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>>528604419
i assumed when you said
>gold by your own admission has unique characters that add utility.
you were speaking of the industrial utility. because the other utilities i pointed out in the post you were responding to here >>528603611 are the utilities that make gold a choice store of value, utilities that bitcoin mimics in digital form. that was the entire point of my post, which you pretended not to understand. i will take that as an admission that you argue in bad faith. i replied to your entire post, all you said was
>Durable
>Requires the most complex system ever built to work
>>528603925
that's what i addressed in my reply.

you are playing little pilpul games, i will take that as a concession that you are a jew and/or a leftoid.
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>>528601188
Everyone wants the official gold-based crypto.
When Congress approves one, BTC, ETH and all the others will go sub $1.
They'd better be quick. BRICS' Unit already fulfills this function for over half the world and is in trial usage rignt now, widespread launch pending.
People ought to look up what it means for national currencies of the member states, without going all "yeah but it's BRICS they're nothing".
This is WW3 material.
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>>528604608
None of that matters if it doesn’t have to used to pay taxes.
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>>528604796
No, I'm teaching you basic shit about this topic that you're resisting because you've put too much faith in a promising innovation.
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>>528604796
>Replies twice to the same post
>Hurr i already addressed that
???
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>>528602826
Cashapp has a bitcoin wallet built in.
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>>528604796
You also managed to conflate two different posters, despite having IDs available
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>>528600935
>This is political because it's economy.
>>>/biz/
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>>528604867
>everyone will go back to just trusting whoever claims to have gold in their vaults
Hell yea this is going to be fun
(This is the key to bitcoin that makes it the ultimate winner as the main global reserve currency. Absolute proof of what someone claims to own.). The trust we’ve been missing for all of time.
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>>528600935
>crypto bad
Take a look at the type of people and political groups who oppose it
>commies
>leftists in general
>redditors
>authoritarians of all kinds
And ask yourself if you think they have your best interests in mind.
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>>528604606
i keep my money in bitcoin and when i need it i sell some. and then price goes up and i have more. eventually the market cap will be so high that it will have too much stability to go up or down in large amounts and then it is still useful as a store of value, and then it will be useful as a medium of exchange over the lightning network.

>>528604969
because you're a hivemind, you all sound the same.

>>528604898
you're repeating ancient talking points that have been circulating since bitcoin was selling for under $1000. talking points that have been debunked thousands of times over already.
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>>528601314
No, it showed no such thing. If you think it did - show me where. Stop being so credulous.
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>>528605209
You live in make-believe land.
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>>528600935
>Imagine buying into a literal Ponzi scheme
Even the tulips held more value.
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>>528600935
and I still wont spend one red cent on the shit, good luck
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>>528602378
Dude... you're ngmi, sell your BTC and buy VTI before you get hosed. Overconfidence from the ignorant is the most dangerous thing and you've got plenty of that going on.
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>>528605088
Why wouldn't trust keep working? 99% of people trust the state.

>>528605209
>We invented a perfect way to evade tax
>This definitely will stay legal
>Normies will totally break the law with us
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Is coinbase computer going out of business?
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>>528605319
like how you make believe that a man can become a woman? no, because unlike trannies, bitcoin can become what it sets out to be. but it's not all the way there yet, no shit, that's what makes it a speculative investment like all other things you can invest in, if it had already achieved all of its promise there would be no profit left investing in it and you'd just be storing wealth in it and buying things with it. which you can't do much now, because its market cap is still too small for something so easy to trade to hold its stability. but as the market cap grows it becomes more stable, it used to be even more unstable by a lot.
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>>528600935
Cryptos without real use cases are going to go away, the stuff that's actually built to solve problems (oracles, neutral bridge tokens that free up trillions in nostro-vostro as the best example) will not.
It will either be legislated out, or degraded into insignificance. "Store of value" is one of these useless concepts by the way -anything valuable is a store of value, thinking fartcoin is somehow more valuable than the actual jar of gamer girl farts is Jewish brain rot
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>>528605502
I have millions in stocks and a couple hundred thousand in crypto
am I gonna make it
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>went all in with life savings at 115k
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>>528600935
>Why is crypto failing?
The jig is up, they got all the money they can from you retards.
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>>528605557
it's not the perfect way to evade tax, go get some monero if you want to do that. bitcoin has a public ledger of transactions. you've been claiming bitcoin will be banned every year now as it just gains more legitimacy with governments and institutions over time.
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>>528600935
Beta test for cbdc bro
Beta test is over , research on the topic is complete ,that's why they're building so many data centers now , they got a grasp on it so there's no need for bitcoin to exist when the digital dollar will emerge
Simple as
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>>528605668
Sry bro
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>>528600935

>Check chart
>Textbook head and shoulders pattern

Yeah it's probably going lower. Maybe it'll go higher in the future. Who knows with the crypto casino?
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Bitcoins death won't be a crash but it being endlessly cycled up and down by bagholders amongst themselves while the rest of the economy moves on.
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>>528605607
You keep throwing around words and concepts that you have no fucking idea about. Even in your gloriously perfect scenario of stability and a store of wealth, bitcoin would fall to fucking zero because treasuries would be more attractive,
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>>528605626
>"Store of value" is one of these useless concepts by the way
it's been a useless concept for thousands of years. if gold could only trade on its industrial applications the gold price would be a fraction of what it is and has historically been, its price is high based on its use as a store of value.
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>>528605891
ok tell that to every other store of value that has existed over millennia
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>>528605668
Retard
Never buy what’s currently popular
Always buy what’s unpopular
Always sell anything you have that becomes popular

In addition, always be investing the majority of your money into a boring broad index fund in a tax advantaged account.


It’s actually this easy to eventually have lots of moneh. Good luck following it, you won’t be able to.
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>>528606158
>Always buy what’s unpopular
Some unpopular things remain unpopular forever bro
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>>528606124
There’s only ever been two, you fucking retard. And they were never a store of value, they were currency.
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>>528600935
Isn't it just because of the rumors of Epstein being Satoshi?
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>>528604867
>gold-based crypto
Muh fucking sides, lad. Never happening, besides we might as well back USD with gold than try to manifest an entirely new CBDC.
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>The Arguments For (The "Psyop" Theory)

- The SHA-256 Connection: Bitcoin’s security relies on the SHA-256 hashing algorithm. This algorithm was designed by the National Security Agency (NSA) and published in 2001. Skeptics argue the NSA wouldn't release something they couldn't secretly "backdoor."

- The "Satoshi" Mystery: The creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, remains anonymous despite having a net worth in the tens of billions. Some find it hard to believe a lone individual could evade every intelligence agency on earth for 15+ years—unless those agencies were involved.

- Transition to CBDCs: Some theorists believe crypto was a "beta test" or a "psyop" to get the public comfortable with digital-only currency, paving the way for Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs) that offer the government total surveillance.

- The Timing: Bitcoin emerged in 2008-2009, right at the peak of the global financial crisis. While most see it as a grassroots reaction to bank failures, others see it as a calculated release.
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>crypto was created to be a currency
>people treat it as an asset
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>>528602796
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>>528600935
Why ponzi scheme fails?
Hmm, a mystery, probably because retards ran out and the shit is about to collapse?
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>>528600935
>Crypto
>Economy
What an imbecile
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>>528606271
Sure would be cool as fuck if it did tho
The tech for something like that exists , the fact we don't fucking push for something like that as a people is our fault
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>>528600935
>SHITCOIN
>ECONOMY
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the reason you'll seldom see people defending crypto as much as attacking it is because it gets tiresome. the same stale arguments you've heard for years. they never listen. eventually you stop replying. after this thread i probably wont bother saying anything for years about it, its been years since i last debated it. tiresome debates with tiresome people. many of them are just desperate to cope for why they never bought and still won't buy, they've been saying bitcoin to zero since bitcoin was a hundred bucks. the rest are bitcoin holders who shit on bitcoin when they want it to go down so they can buy more and sing bitcoins praises when they want to sell. as if their little voices moved the price, but they just delight in disinfo and the feeling they're tricking someone like so many do.
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>>528606280
all valid arguments to be fair
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Judeo Prison Planet "money" that has a traceable ledger of every transaction attached to it, I'd rather use sea shells.
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>>528606202
Yeah that’s a good point, I mean unpopular things that at least have some longterm guaranteed value
I’ve personally been buying silver, mining companies, and energy companies forever any time their value goes way down into the dirt.

I’m currently believing in buying a bunch of adobe/servicenow/workday right now(all down 50% in recent timeframe) as a bet against AI and a bet on corporate inertia but I’m getting cold feet as always happens when things are unpopular because it’s very psychologically hard to against the mentality received from the herd.
The one thing I always do that I’m happy about is put a bunch into a boring broad index fund because that can’t be too wrong.
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>>528606538
I understand that they made a digital element that's transactable. I don't believe it is for your good.
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>>528607000
Let’s all start using monero
How do I buy monero

Also, is there any actual use case or explanation for ethereum value? I accidentally have a bunch but don’t feel like dealing with the tax consequences of selling it
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>>528607000
yeah maybe
either way i've already sold my initial investment and cashed out multiple times so i already won. if it was all a trap in the end at least i profited off it when i could.
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>>528603925
better not look into how modern banking and ach works niggerfaggot
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>>528606464
Nah, it's an idiotic concept ripe for exploitation. It'll still fall victim to a lot of the same issues that traditional banks do, as a CBDC government will have to control the amount of currency in circulation and thus mining for average people would be illegal. At that point the only veritable difference it has with USD is the specific ledger you hold but realistically even that is no different to a bank statement, it would be "backed" by muh faith and power of gubermint. Sure, you can back it with gold instead but there is no point, when you have an existing fiat to back with gold anyway.
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>>528603925
>what is fiat
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>>528600935
In good times “a rising tide lifts all boats”
, even the wrecks. Fundamentals don’t matter when the markets become a casino/ speculative/ gambling. There was more money than things to invest in and every stock or investment scheme made huge amounts of money , especially with media hype.
Now the party is over , you’ve woken with a terrible hang over the house is a disaster and your money is spent.
It’s why banks ( and the financially savvy investor / saver ) around the world are buying gold and silver in record amounts.
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>>528607362
Got this in two weeks ago.
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>>528607362
you're right, the government is finally done printing money, for good this time.
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>>528607222
I understand, now leverage your success and buy good land or it was for nothing. Buy some gold and silver too so someone will trade you a car, horse, cow, tractor, winter rations etc with zero oversight or monitoring.
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>>528600935
Btc will be driven to zero as cbdc is pushed as the fomo vehicle. TPTB will not give up control via 21m shitcoins
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>>528601314
LOL KIKES MAD, EPSTEIN FUNDED THE ENTIRE EARLY BITCOIN ECOSYSTEM
KIKES MAD, EPSTEIN FUNDED THE MIT TEAM THAT WAS AT LEAST 1/4 SATOSHIS
KIKES MAD, HE ALSO GOT GARY GENSLER IN AS HEAD OF THE SEC AND OWNS HIM
You can tell this was the right post to make because of the seething kikelrat replies lololol
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>>528600935
Liquidations halfway through the halving. 250k come 2028 when the pro renewable agenda for Bitcoin takes off again but it will just happen very quickly and suddenly or just for the whole crypto industry as a whole.
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>>528607471
yeah, i will, when i have enough for that.
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>>528607486
btc will only become larger if bank tries to make its own centralized crypto. Which I find very funny to hear cause the point of crypto is that it cannot be tricked. It's literal math equations. But the jew loves trying to cheat nature.
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>>528602404
Bitcoin follows tech stock fundamentals
Most closely AI stock fundamentals
Uh oh stinky....
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>>528607568
You seem smart anon so I'll tell you mortgages are good and if you don't have 25% debt load in money printer era you're insane
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>>528606538
People have been saying crypto will face revaluation not that it will go to zero, lest they were just trolling. CBDCs are looking more likely by the day, when that happens other crypto will face the same revaluation and tied to the CBDC or be outlawed entirely. People will LOSE value in this process that's a foregone conclusion, however the blow can be softened somewhat if the currencies value tanks first.
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>>528602499
simple, cheap financial system that runs on renewable energy. Check Tesla evaluations.
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>>528607222
This is the paradox
Fundamentally bit coin is nothing there , vapor / air ,traditionally a terrible investment , a literal scheme.
But if you’re not the bag holder , you can / could make a fortune on it.
If the object is to just make money and not invest in and help build a business/ economy/ better nation the why not ?
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>>528607834
>make a fortune

selling your btc for cheap paper is not wealth. holding it and trading it for real assets does build wealth.
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>>528607736
maybe, maybe not. if there was no risk in crypto then there would be no gains. its risk arbitrage, the less risky something is the less you can profit off it, like a law of nature. low risk/ high reward simply is not an option anywhere. if you're already rich stick with the low risk / low reward investments, otherwise get some crypto and huff some hopium.
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>>528602819
>Trying to tie BTC to Epstein
>Trying
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>Trying
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>>528607834
nocoiners are fucking retarded

"you cant touch information bro its literally vapor / air"
wow! tell me more einstein! deep insights!
>>528601694
sucks that you can buy everything from drugs to cars directly in fucking bitcoin so your image is just another retarded nocoiner


bitcoin was obviously made by the same people who made TOR
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>>528607988
>low risk/ high reward simply is not an option anywhere.
It is if you have actual expertise in something
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>>528607991
>digital currenty
>very exiciting
>we could make a crypto called sharia but print it and write "in god we trust" on it, muslims will like that right
>trust me bro i totally spoke with bitcoins founders and my dad works at nintendo
this drugged out retard was fucking annoying
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>>528600935
It’s open to use for all. Which means shitskins use it. Which means it’s made worthless.
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>>528607917
Well that’s the point timing is everything especially in schemes.
People that bought and sold bit coin at the right times became unbelievably wealthy for relatively small investments.
The funniest part , nothing was ever produced , no factories , no workers , no products.
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>>528600935
Because Epstein got in with blockstream and the core devs.
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>>528608250
buy it now then because low risk / high reward chances get bought up instantly to become low risk / low reward. and you can only have actual expertise in so many things so you wont get many chances to recognize how low risk something is while it is still early and high reward very often.
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>>528607988
The whole draw was the potential reward and insulation from banking jews but that's quickly being isolated. They began with taxing exchanges and wrapping FED tentacles around the whole system, now they're gradually sucking the whole system into the maw of the FED. It was always gonna be a limited hangout hustle, we can never have nice things.
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>>528602333
he did say he met the creators......
I'm assuming he misspoke and was talking about the core devs.
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>>528601450
N-akamoto SA-toshi.
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>>528608495
he also said in some emails to some people that he was completely innocent, while discussing crimes to other people in other emails. so at some point he was bullshitting. he's a bullshitter, he could be bullshitting now. boomer generation is so easy to scam, and always were, you could literally bullshit your way to the top back in the day.
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>>528608423
They don't get bought up at all because 99.99% of the market is chasing other people's advice and so can't do better than the average

There are so many opportunities around and the best thing you can do is go down any rabbit hole
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>>528600935
.
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>>528608695
name one
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>>528608428
That’s what’s bad about non physical digital assets, you have to use the Jews computers, which they control , paper money is the same. Digital money will be even worse.
Jew bankers need to be exterminated, it’s the only cure
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Guys....I have 50$ bills for sale. ONLY 100$$!!! You hold on to these until your 70...you'll be a millionaire in no time !!! TRUST ME.
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>>528601314
The Italian from Mario Bros invented it.
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>>528604336
Holy fuck what was your original file? It's been deleted
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>>528608812
heh, not so fast, i'll wait till it drops to $80, then i'll buy
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>>528608739
No
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>>528608914
I heard it's going to bottom out around $65 mid April.
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>>528600935
It's not. BTC is going to bottom around $40k tho and crab around for 2 years to get back to where it is now, fighting for support at every 10k mark. It'll eventually go to $200-250k (idk when) and then the Jews will rugpull for real and crypto will be over.
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The appeal was high risk potentially high reward, But bitcoin hasn't gone up in years. So now its high risk for the lulz and its all downhill from here.

I bought at $0.02 per btc in the summer of 2010 and cashed out at 100K git gud
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>>528608679
>2013
I mean I guess your point is cool from a historical perspective but the year is 2026 and everyone knows about this old tech including shitskins hordes. Ponzi scheme tend to run out of steam around these conditions.
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>>528608956
right, of course not, because if you shared it on this random 4chan thread that will be gone within an hour, millions of neets would flood that market and you'd lose your chance to buy in! then you would only have "so many opportunities" to buy into left.

or more likely then that retarded scenario, you can't name one
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>>528600935
It's too unstable to be useful
Most merchants operate on balanced budgets and have zero incentive to adopt crypto because it's too volatile to be practical for anything that requires longterm planning like stocking a store, so nobody adopts it and as result it's basically a useless currency
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>>528608976
i'll dca into it, that way if it does i'll get some at that lower price, and if it doesn't i'm at least set to profit still if it does go up
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>>528603380
>Good thing bitcoin is bigger than them
kek faggot
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>>528609121
I only have one field where I'm among the top in the world and why would I consult for free?

You find your field and you'll find your secret that you can't believe others haven't clocked onto
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>>528609193
so we're still early
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>>528609268
>why would i consult for free
to score the greatest prize of all, winning an internet debate
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>>528609268
>I only have one field where I'm among the top in the world
which is a point i already made when i said
>you can only have actual expertise in so many things so you wont get many chances to recognize how low risk something is while it is still early and high reward very often.
sure i could "go down a rabbithole" and devote my life to some field and just hope such an opportunity comes along, but that seems an unlikely gamble.
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>>528609268
To help me out?

I only need about 20K and have 80k to invest
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>>528608808
We'll never escape the jew, so we must end the jew.
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These threads are always fun because it shows how stupid this board actually is. You had 18 years to invest. This last cycle is about to end, here’s your entry point anon. This will be last time it will be this low, ever.
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>>528609199
Man....we're going to be millionaires by the summer !!!! I LOVE GAMBLING !!!
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>>528600935
Mining is no longer profitable
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>>528609624
Sort of looks like that's true.
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>>528601188

>burn it all down
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>>528609526
It's not unlikely it's the most likely outcome.

When you read 10 books on a niche you join the top 1000 scholars in the world on it. When you combine that with babbys first /pol/ redpills you'll be in the top 100 on earth.

When you get rich by doing what's then 'obvious' to you you'll wonder how, then you'll realise literally nobody else was even looking. They were all watching the same movie
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>>528609568
You won't believe me because you're not an expert and I'm not going to argue for it
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Everyone is realizing it was always fake and gay. The retards who chant "always hold, buy the dip" will be left with empty bags and many of them will kill themselves.
It's going back to its intrinsic value which is zero. If you already got out and put that cash into physical assets you are the smart ones, if you haven't gotten out yet get out now or become the retards who kill themselves.
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>>528608397
everyone that tries to gamble with stuff like BTC or gold are dumbasses. It's always a losing game.
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>>528609949
I'll believe you. Anything
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>>528609724
who cares, hold
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>>528600935
Markets go up and down. Its like a stampede. 100k was an even psychological support and resistance line , there's always a pullback. Same thing happened when it it $1, $100, $1000, $3000, $10000, $20000, $30000 etc. you can fade (sell) off these resistance levels and make money as a lot of people are doing right now.
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>>528609866
then why are you only an expert in one field? crack open 10 more books and double your money. that you haven't already suggests to me that you don't really believe this.
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>>528600935
Turned out Epstein was the mastermind behind Bitcoin. And now no one wants to be associated with PEDOCOIN. Everyone in the know already sold in the SELLING RALLY PARTY. That's what it was for.
All part of the rug pull and the switcheroo to stable coins and then to CBDC eventually.

Aren't you supposed to sell at the top of the bubble? Surely you're in the smart 50% of the market that's already closed out at the top??
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>>528608997
its hilarious when people somehow dont think they're linearly extrapolating, yet they totally are, and think its really gonna happen that way cuz things are same as they ever were, nothing's different at all
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>>528610205
Because personal energy is finite and it's more financially efficient to keep going with one main plan than to spread your bets and attention.

>>528610013
I won't tell but I'll give you even better advice, CEOs and successful entrepreneurs actual skill is just making texts and phone calls.
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>>528610228
jew lie
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>>528610004
>gamble
>gold
pick one, loser
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>>528608264
He was the world's biggest larper. Wonder why he felt so inferior that he had to fuck with everything.
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>>528610228
>Turned out Epstein was the mastermind behind Bitcoin.
nope
he invested in mit labs and coinbase in like 2015 and if you believe his (often bullshitting) emails he once "spoke to the founders of bitcoin" which reads like a "my dad works at nintendo" brag a child would make. and even if true that does not mean he "was the mastermind behind bitcoin". keep in mind in some emails he claims to be 100% innocent of all crimes so its proven he does bullshit.
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>>528610228
Loving this epstein fud while I accumulate to be honest family
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>>528610347
it's just 10 books bro, and then you double your financial security
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>>528608997
>It's not. BTC is going to bottom around $40k
This anon knows how support and resistance works. $30-40k is where the support level is. Whales will start buying again there so they don't get stopped out of their main bag.
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>>528609624
>no one will ever sell bitcoin ever again
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>quickly Mr Jewberg, push out another article about how Bitcoin will crash to $0 so I can make more money on my shorts and buy back in cheap
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Heads up if Litecoin never recovers Ill be an international news story. Im not selling it below the 80 average I paid since 2017. Ill give it to a family member or let it rot, but my life is over if this never goes up and I assure you a lot of other people will make your life miserable too if that happens. Its a bluechip, in all the ATMs, the most used crypto. If you cant get rich figuring out what crypto would be most used for currency in 2017, then your life has been destroyed by jews.
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>>528600935
If Trump just tweeted about it we could go back to 100K FUCK.
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>>528600935
you can profit from falling stocks also.
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>>528600935
how are there still people willing to buy this shit after all the crashes losing them 50+%
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>>528610589
Let me rephrase it for you

If I have a way to reliably turn 20 bucks into 100. Why then bother investing 20 bucks on another skill? You're asking me to justify the concept of specialization
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>>528602108
tl;dw -Says it's Putin behind Bitcoin.
Stopped watching.
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>>528610827
They're not, they're selling and making money. See >>528610801
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>>528610827
all the rises gaining them over 50%

>>528610852
>why not put all my eggs in one basket?
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>>528610764
>If you cant get rich figuring out what crypto would be most used for currency in 2017
Kek baggie that's almost a decade ago might as well be ancient tech. Jeets are releasing new coins everyday.
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>>528610936
Fine, have fun living an average life with your average information, obviously
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>If you cant get rich figuring out what crypto would be most used for currency in 2017, then your life has been destroyed by jews.
Im going to say that twice. If you predict the most used crypto in 2026, back in 2017, and its below what you paid for it then. Well, jews did that. Im literally the winner. I picked the one actually used for exchange of value, the use case of crypto. And Ill die without selling apparently. Not interest in 5 digits, rather die.
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>>528610936
>a select few people are making money
no shit sherlock.
there are far more people losing 50% than gaining 50%
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>>528611136
Jeet coins do not matter, that is the most used cryptocurrency. You have no argument, youre supposed to be poor. You have no qualifications, no advanced understanding, you didnt do your own research, you dont do research at all. You buy token not needed, no use case currencies from brown rug pull scammers. Youre literally a scammer accessory, and you think youve done well for yourself.

Im the top of the bell curve, youre the midwits. Thats why Im poor.
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>>528611185
>I'm rich
>without even having sold yet
lol, lmao
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>>528611185
>If you read and believed and trusted in the information provided by the tea leaves, then your life has been destroyed by the tea leaves
I mean I guess. Why didn't you listen to opposing arguments?
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>>528611285
Rice is the most used grain that doesn't mean it will go up 10x

Maybe you should have taken an economics course
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>>528611314
>why didnt you just capitulate and buy BTC at 30k
>youd have 90k right now
Go look at the market cap of LTC, compare it to Bitcoin, realize LTC is the actual exchange of value, Bitcoin is not a real store of value, and LTC should have at least half of BTCs market cap right now. In other words thousands of dollars each. Im supposed to have tens of millions.
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>>528611412
Wow it's almost like getting all your information from 4chan wasn't the winning move.
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>>528610936
>Hey mcdonalds why don't you sell lawnmowers?
Business models do actually work anon
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>>528611518
I did all my own research moron none of that comes from here. Im the guy who saw it being the real exchange of value. Youre the projecting jeet who literally buys into 4chan posted /biz/ scams as EXIT LIQUDITY FOR REDDIT

You honestly dont deserve to breathe.
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>>528604867
>Everyone wants the official gold-based crypto.
lmao... literally no one wants this except 70 IQ retards. you can already buy gold ETFs for that. there is no sense attaching blockchain to this other than for yet another hype pump and dump.
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>>528611597
I sold all my crypto years ago and bought physical silver at $20. You're a fucking retard.
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>>528611597
Did you study economics and business from first principles? Why didn't you buy stocks in the companies that use it to make money?

Why are there so many investorbros who think they can fly without walking
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>>528611405
>Rice is the most used grain that doesn't mean it will go up 10x
It would if it had a static limited supply.
>Maybe you should have taken an economics course
Lel, that projection
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>>528602499
The only answer they can give you is technical analysis, which has been proven to be useless.
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>>528600935
THE FOUR YEAR CYCLE IS WINDING DOWN. ALL YOU FAGGOTS BOUGHT THE TOP AND NEVER LISTENED TO THE FEW SENSIBLE ANONS BACK IN FUCKING OCTOBER.

All you faggots deserve this.
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It will drop to the point that it isn't worth it to verify the blockchain, then will death spiral
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>>528600935
Just propaganda to move market...

That said, it might go to 10k. I have it valued at 2k.
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>>528611643
Everyone will want a currency that's "unaffected by inflation" due to being based on gold while also being legal tender and conveniently transacted through card and banking app unlike gold bullion.
When I say everyone, I mean the normies and the people who still try to succeed within the system.
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>>528612100
they do this EVERY cycle too lol

the thing has never gone lower than previous cycles, but they still sit here and screech about how it's going to zero and just a bubble. all because they're too fucking retarded to see the obvious cycles. they're gonna be busy shitposting about it going to zero when it bottoms out this time too. then they'll buy near the next top and repeat the cycle
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>>528602897
crypto so far is not nearly as convenient as traditional banking and cash, El Salvador made it a legal tender, but they had to step down because people still preferred US dollars. When fiat collapses gold redeemability will reestablished. That said it's still a nice check on totalitarian impulses like in Canada
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>>528601245
Exactly, it can go as low as $20, pretty much it's true value before the speculation hype. Still won't loose it entirely as a collection item and means to purchase drugs online.
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>>528600935
because that how it works
by dip, sell high
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>>528614490
Yeah, because drug selling wasn't a thing before crypto. Drug dealing is special service business, they will trade regardless, just like they always did. They also control crypto, because they control every 'exit' where you exchange real money, and they also control trading too. Crypto is as cucked as any fiat money but with no security. Why would anybody use it in 2026 is a mystery.
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>>528611262
Get gud, retard.
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>>528614850
>Why would anybody use it in 2026 is a mystery.
>no oversight
>no bank to say I cant use it
>no waiting for approval from several banks to write it off
>settled in 3 to 10 minutes
>limited so cant print it out of thin air
>no government can confiscate it or ban it

Faggot
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>>528600935
You can't take anything that comes from the kikes as gospel and current dips could easily be manufactured from nothing to force people to sell.
Crypto, like AI is pretty much inevitable and institutions are gearing up for it.
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>>528614850
>and they also control trading too
Crypto is actually the only market that isn't controlled by Jews, as DEXs like Uniswap and Curve on Ethereum cannot be controlled by anyone as they are trustless, atomic smart contracts. Every other market, from precious metals to stocks to bonds is fully and utterly controlled by Jews, as evidenced by the fact Crypto is the only major trading market to trade on the Sabbath :^)
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>>528610322
It's even funnier the people that deny reality and declare ITS A NEW PARADIGM every cycle.

Jews have figured out crypto and it's a money printer. They invest, pump, dump, and repeat. All the while they manipulate the markets just enough to fleece the hopeless casinogoyim leverage traders periodically.

It's fine if this is your first time, but don't persist in this ignorance and keep being led around by the nose.
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>>528615563
Not quite on precious metals. It looks like they control it due to hoarding it through decades of theft and scheming. But in reality, they still cant print it or manipulate it like fiat.

PM is rather fascinating as an experiment on entropy. Say you have a city that only has a little bit of silver and gold. Or just mostly copper. Then the hoarders come in to buy everything. The wealth of the city rises cause now we have circulating metal. And it fuels productive industry.

So even when hoarding, the jews still lose.
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>>528615571
>jews have figured out crypto and it's a money printer.

If you can print it, it's not money. Thats why the jews hate it. If a BTC is too valuable, why would anyone trade it into paper anymore?
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>>528615721
The *trading* of precious metals is definitely controlled by Jewish market makers and Jewish futures, are you kidding?
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>>528615821
Jewish futures is just what bank notes use to be without a federal bank. Only far worse. It's just gambling and isnt the real worth of the PM market. Thats why the value of silver suddenly rose up cause there wasnt enough silver to accomodate for people calling in their promised metals.

jews basically went "we dont have it" like the rats they are
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>>528614012
Yeah, this place is as bad as reddit these days.

It's either "it's going up again? Right? I bought at ABOVE 70K." Or your "It's going to zero!!!!".

I hate them all. I really do.

Fucking retarded faggots.
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You are such a retards. A typical crypto exchange works this way: when you buy a bitcoin they simply write a record with the current amount and price, when you sell it they check the price and pay you the difference. In most cases you loose and sell it for less, so they make profit. They never even deal with real bitcoins and you never "own" actual crypto if you use (an exchange), it is simply a casino for idiots.
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>>528616415
Waiting for when we start trading assets for bitcoin. But I agree on that. Exchange exist to give you access to the currency. People who are buying early are investing that bitcoin will become usable later, which then you wont be able to simply buy it anymore. You'd have to trade stuff like real assets or labor to obtain it. It's basically the gold rush atm.
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>>528615563
Crypto is the only market that is 100% controlled by them, shill. It was them creating it in the first place.
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I don't know how to make an account on an exchange.
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>>528615908
And through that control they control the exchange prices of precious metals like silver, gold, and platinum, as well as being able to prevent you from buying or selling them (try selling $100M worth of gold without going to a Jewish middleman one way or another). What I'm saying is that crypto is the only marketplace where anyone, from a sanctioned DPRK hacker to a common American goy, can access highly liquid markets through decentralized exchanges without ever having to trust a "broker" or interact with a "market maker".

Crypto essentially has the same self-custody properties as gold/silver, but also has multiple additional properties that make it stronger than them. It is easier to trustlessly verify the authenticity of it. It is easier to trustlessly send large quantities of it to anyone anywhere in the world. It is easier to trustlessly trade large quantities of it for other cryptocurrencies/tokens (including stablecoins that are equivalent to banknotes). It is literally the only market that can't be controlled by international Jewry by design, and yet idiots will attempt to kill it in favour of Jewish banking and later Jewish CBDCs (ironically getting their alpha test versions through crypto via stablecoins, but I digress) because they are dumb goyim who will believe it's just a ponzi scheme because Cohen told them so on MSNBC.
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>>528607991
bruh this is 2016 you dingus
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>>528601068
I've been saying bitcoin is a scam since it was $10. Finally I'm being proven right.
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>>528615819
You don't get it. They're shearing the sheep every 4 years. Take your lolbertarian shit back to fantasy land.
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>>528616665
>And through that control they control the exchange prices of precious metals like silver, gold, and platinum,
Nothing is stopping you from trading locally with other people and non exchanges.

>). What I'm saying is that crypto is the only marketplace where anyone, from a sanctioned DPRK hacker to a common American goy, can access highly liquid markets through decentralized exchanges without ever having to trust a "broker" or interact with a "market maker".

true. I never said against the contrary.
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>>528616712
Yet every four years,t he price ends up higher. Use your brain, faggot.
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>>528616665
in theory yes, but how many people set up their own wallets and buy bitcoins with direct transaction from a seller? if you keep only those people you will have your $200 price or less
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>>528601921
Based off previous cycles, it won't drop below 30k, and it's not guaranteed to even hit 30k, the low would just be in the range of where it is now, to 30k.
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>>528616902
Prison wallet faggot?
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>>528611414
>a "foundation group"(scammers) around bitcoin in 2015
He really was a retard.
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>>528600935
Crypto was always a grift
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>>528617142
Not as much of a grift as fiat.
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>>528602499
Just like every other store of value: It's a store of value. limited amounts also factor in, and there will only ever be 21 million Bitcoin.

What are the fundamentals giving a holographic 1st gen Charizard it's value? Three things: The "I want it" factor, limited resource, and a store of value. All of which apply to BTC, except BTC does more as well.
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>>528616902
Currently you can atomically and trustlessly buy $10M worth of WBTC with minimal slippage, and that has been the case for years! The market has advanced beyond straight OTC deals directly with sellers/buyers.
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>>528617198
Wow a leaf that outsmarts a brit for once.

And yes, youre right about all of that. A lot of people keep saying why it's valuable, and I honestly just stop trying to reason with them.
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>>528600935
>(((Bloomberg))) says: “sell, goy”
I’m good
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>>528617162
But you need fiat since you can't yet buy anything with gold or silver.
Sure, after USD collapses we'll all go back to golden standard, but before it happened fiat is still necessary. Crypto is just classical ponzi scheme scams.
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>>528617080
lol is it called the prison wallet now? That was whole idea of bitcoin basically, the only thing that is advantageous in comparison to real money. What is the point then, why can't i just use my credit card, its so much more convenient.
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>>528600935
>This is political because it's economy
Nigga, it's a JEWs thing.
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>>528617339
>But you need fiat
No I dont. Reminder, the only reason we use it currently is because the US cut a deal with Saudi arabia that they sell their oil only in USD. Recently, Saudi has been wanting to join BRICs and sell in competing currencies.

The golden goose is about to die. Pun intended.
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>>528617339
also, there is nothing ponzi about crypto, nor can you prove it.
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>>528600935
The real Satoshi stood up and made a treaty-contract in Basel with the IMF. Now he controls the purse strings for the CIA backOPS.
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>>528617419
You need fiat, because at the moment USD is collapsing which makes precious metal prices skyrocket despite your banks making every effort to lower the prices, look at what JP Morgan did to the silver just now. So you can't make a contract in precious metal, because you'll owe twice as much by the end of it. But that's only now, when AI stocks inevitable crash (that's like 1/3 of your S&P 500), your retarded boomers will start printing to bail them out. This will collapse USD. Crypto also will die, because crypto is big tech derivative scam. You'll have nothing but precious metals. That's also the reason why all the banks try to hoard as much of them at the moment. It's inevitable. But for the time being fiat is necessary, which is ironic.
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>>528617162
Little do you know that gold is fiat too.
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>>528617447
Huh? What's not ponzi about crypto? It has nothing of value beside scammed people delusions. Bitcoin is not different from any other shitcoin, yet every other shitcoin is worthless. It's scam. Slassic ponzi scheme.
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>>528617895
>You need fiat
I dont need paper. If I did, the government wouldnt point a gun at everyone on earth who wants to not use it. They wouldnt have sacked all the nations that got rid of the rothschild central bank of fiat nightmares.

People wanted gold so much that the government banned it and then confiscated some of it. We got off the gold standard cause countries were calling in their gold and we didn't have it (thank you, jews for being rats again). Nixon himself regretted what he did cause he saw the jews for what they were.
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>>528617978
I dont think you know what fiat means.
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>>528618023
Thats not what a ponzi is, dumbass.
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>>528600935
It just means Mike is long on bonds this time around
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>>528601953
I'm sure it will buddy. Someone will sell you their house for your internet coin.
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>>528618026
With what you payed for your food today? With what you payed electricity and internet bills? With what was the device you post from bought? Etc.
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>>528601953
>chart ends 2024

You pick your window, I pick mine. What I see now is bitcoin plummeting from a peak, recovering only a little it, plummeting from that peak, recovering only a little bit, etc.
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>>528617978
Gold and other precious metals consumed in industrial production, especially electronics. It is high valued commodity, like oil, you can always sell it for high price or exchange even if the money suddenly abolished at all
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>>528618045
Let it be. It means let it be. Not a single currency has intrinsic value. In fact, in order to be a functional currency it needs to have little to no intrinsic value. This is money because we say it’s money, that’s all fiat means, and that’s all any currency is.
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>>528618137
Im going to give you another redpill: all of the services and products we use are because the government tricked everyone into using it, and keeps its value up with threat of violence. That's why everything is stagnant and shit.

If everyone tomorrow decided to not use USD anymore, they would quickly accept other forms of payment. Likely precious metals cause thats what we've used throughout all of human history. Every fiat system has failed and it's actually surprising the USD lasted as long as it did.
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>>528618060
Ponzi is when dividends are payed from the money of new scammed people 'investments'. Yes, that's what crypto is and how people 'make money' off it. Scamming people into believing that thing is new gold or something (gold doesn't go down, never, you can compare real estate, food, anything prices to gold in a span of 100 years, and everything went down. And banks actually hoard it, unlike the scam monopoly money numbers). Gold is the only money, everything else is a scam. But unlike fiat money, crypto is not needed for anything.
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>>528618200
>Let it be. It means let it be.
That's a jewish term, btw.

>This is money because we say it’s money, that’s all fiat means, and that’s all any currency is.

Nope. Sound currency goes beyond what you call it. Being able to hold its value over time, which fiat fails at on inception.
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>>528618349
>crypto is not needed for anything.

I can trade btc to someone anywhere in the world in 5 minutes without needing transaction or oversight from a bank.

It is the most convenient internet money to exist.
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>>528618297
That's not the answer. You use fiat money for everyday things. You use stocks (if you are feeling greedy) or precious metals if you are actually smart. You use crypto if you are a retard who believes in fairy tails thinking you can win in a negative sum game betting against casino.
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>>528618475
You're confusing "using" with "needed." If a service chooses to accept a form of payment, they can. We don't need fiat paper jewish money.

Stocks is gambling and no one should ever play in that jewish casino where the house always wins.

Crypto is beneficial because it returns us to the age before central banking. Very important.
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>>528618353
I guess the hyperinflation that spain experienced with gold never happened then.
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>>528618417
Go exchange your fiat for monopoly money numbers. But all the rich people are buying gold. That's actually the reason your shitty thing is dropping. Institutional scammers see collapse of dollar and flee into safe heavens. You are the first to fall, because government is not going to bail you out, they need to save Altman's ass more.
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>>528618603
I want you to rethink what you said and the context of that time.
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>>528618627
>Go exchange your fiat for monopoly money numbers.
Fiat is monopoly money. BTC is a real asset just like gold.

And newsflash. normies can never into tech. I dont expect them or yourself to understand the point of this. If anything, this discussion just proves more how lacking of knowledge the average person is on currency.
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>>528618553
Crypto is 100% jewish. It was created by Epstein friends. You don't think ponzi scheme of such caliber goes unchecked by regulators without a reason, do you? That was capital extraction of retarded people. It worked, now retarded people money are gone. Creators of the scheme got some billions of free money, congratulations to them.
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>>528618780
All of that is false.

Still going to keep stacking BTC. =) enjoy your fake money.
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>>528618667
Did i break your precious “gold is real money and super super stable always frfr” bubble?
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>>528618819
No I just think youre retarded and dont understand what was happening during that time. Im well aware you made a quick google search to see when gold hyperinflated (it actually didnt but you wouldnt know this ai faggot)
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>>528611594
then invest 100% of all your money into mcdonalds since diversification is silly, why would anyone ever diversify their risk? also mcdonalds has supply chain services, and financial investments to diversify. no, they don't sell lawnmowers because that would be a lot of work for them, where would they even put the lawnmowers? a better analogy here, since you said all you need to do is read 10 books, would be "hey walmart, why don't you sell lawnmowers?" but of course they do sell lawnmowers.
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>>528618817
Sure thing. Judging by your denial you even bough 'the dip' well, the previous dip. But don't worry, you'd get all your money back. One day. Maybe. If USD crashes faster than crypto.
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>>528618964
I buy BTC every paycheck no matter what price it is at.
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>>528618889
Fuck off with your bullshit. “What was happening” is such vague and inane nonsense. They brought back a shitload of gold from the americas. All currency is fiat. And guess what, even if you use something where the total supply remains relatively stable, it can still be both deflationary and inflationary by manipulating the supply in circulation.
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>>528619147
Nice. I do the same but with gold. Now with silver too somewhat since your biggest 'free market' bank is very uppity to keep it as low as possible. But you do you.
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>>528619214
Doesnt matter. The fact gold is scarce eventually (and it did) bring the price of gold back down. This never happens with fiat.
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Which reminds me, holy shit, the only exchange I use to buy silver from is actually running out.
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>>528619406
>This never happens with fiat.
Bullshit. Pic related.
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>>528600935
jews are putting together a 'war chest' fund do you even listen to what they say to other jews? World jewish congress?? Hello? Take your hand off your dick for five minutes and pay attention.
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>>528619760
Hitler literally kicked out the jews, forgave all debt, and backed their currency with labor until they restocked their bank with gold and silver.
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>>528600935
It’s Jewish
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>>528620163
BTC is the least jewish currency you will ever see. Cause it's definite and cannot be manipulated. Jews hate when things are definite. They cant do magic tricks or cheat it.



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