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That's undoubtly true but with the current tax load it just does not make any sense at all. Half of your income goes to government distribution programs right after you receive it. Funding your own business is financial suicide at the moment.
Abolish fractional reserve banking and gems will be number one agin before you can say buxdehude
>>529456221Europeans are finally learning first hand why America doesn't have a welfare state (poopskins)
>>529456221Most jobs are fluff and are bullshit jobs or produce bullshit (so that includes even chinks that make plastic cocks or whatever for you).Not my fault you decided to ship those jobs out.
>>529456221>when you return from chinaI don't have time for that shit who the fuck doesI wish these people never returned from places like india and china
>>529456221/Thread
>>529456221not him of course, he sits on boards and meetings sniffing his own fartswhen this untermensch engineers an honest and productive system is the day pigs fly
>>529456221We must return to slave conditions to ensure our masters stay in control.
>>529456221What is the tax rate in China and what percentage of the population own a home?
>>529456221he's right thoGermany didn't build itself up into the industrial powerhouse by working 4 day weeks
>>529456221Socially useful - work 7 work day weeks for 12 hours a day.Useful for the society - work 4 day weeks for 6 hours.In the end governments have to balance between these two. Be too useful for the society and you'll decline, be too socially useful and you'll have to face gigantic dissent. Merz wants Germany to stay relevant as an industrial power so he's pushing for socially useful solutions.
>>529456221Stone age methods to fight starships.Is that a sadistic humiliation ritual against Germans, or has he miraculously fallen through a wormhole? It is not 2022 anymore.>>529457395>50%Did you include the income tax and social tax not on your pay slip, Umlage U1, U2, U3, inflation tax, partial costs for labor statistics, tax consultant bureaucrats, cost of dealing with broken taxation laws internally, health insurance tax, non-deductible taxes of commuting, clothing, education, cost of dealing with that, cost of dealing with moat regulation, immobility taxes like real estate transfer tax and notary, cost of missed opportunities because of that are also taxes, so you have to add them, too, lost health because of the missed income are direct taxes. Worst of all, all the income that was taxed away could have provided you with interest, which is the biggest actual tax, millions over a work life.
>>529456221Germany doesn't have a supply problem, we have a demand problem. Others just don't want to buy the things we make. Increasing the supply doesn't make demand go up. What politicians should do instead is incentivicing innovation, decreasing bureaucracy and supporting start ups.But we can't do that here because only boomers and automotive companies are allowed to get money and they're paid for by my horrendously high taxes.
>>529456221no i dont think i will
Ah to be a central banker technocrat and turn the country into a shell game of financialized service economy bullshit, then blame the people whose livelihoods you cannibalized for not being as productive as the people you shipped all the work to
>>529456221>work more goy!
>>529456221I Really don't get these EU leaders. Decades of pushing your own people into the ground, not loving your country and roots is promoted into oblivion by media and law, importing millions of <70 IQ people and then a surprised Pikachu face that the productivity has decreased a lot. Go fix it with your A.I. obsession. Or is this quote from Merz a slip of the tongue that it is just a bubble?
>>529458654Increasing the supply can allow for accepting lower margins and lower margins is either bang for the buck or simply lower prices.
>>529457395Life in Western society is just a humiliation ritual at this point, so it isn't that surprising. We are being punished, relentlessly, for something we never perpetrated because some people think we should be punished.
>>529457395this. I would work more, but wheres the point. The tax rate just gets higher and higher to the point that companies dont pay high wages to even their top performers, but rather buy them a car and gift goodies. Shit system that only benefits boomers and the brown welfare leeches that boomers so kindly invited.
Chinese NEET on German welfare gibs hereYes, indeed, Germans must work harder.
A perfect recipe for a race war. Europeans are getting older, but we are also getting poorer and they will ask for us to work to death while an ever-increasing number of shitskins deal drugs on the streets. It's a lose-lose situation unless we remove the outsiders.
>>529456221Those chancellors and ministers could lead by example and start their 10h second work in coal mines after their hard days of playing politics.
>>529456221The problem is that the populations of every western country have been sold out, undermined, suppressed, and replaced with foreigners with no stake in the nation, so now instead of having a cohesive ethnostate that’s capable of organizing around common goals like china, you have corrupt, multicultural shitholes facing competency crises and internal division until their inevitable collapse
>>529456221dont say any bad words about him if you are german, you will go to jail.
>>529457395How much do you guys have to pay after income tax and vat are combined? I'm paying like 41% after income and sales tax here and it fucking sucks man
>>529456221>man who talks on podium for living says to work harderlol, lmao even
work for what? Israel under Trump?or for the brown shit stains under the democrats?this country is so fucking gay, cant believe I held out hope for so long
>>529457395>Half of your incomeit's WEASY more than that. inflation is a tax. VAT is a tax. and so on. none of those are deducted from your wage directly. so in total you are looking at about 70%. Stolen. You realize what theft is, do you? Are you finally willing to call it that?
>>529456221>become slaves like in china.Work harder peasants, my 22nd mansion isn't gonna pay for itself
>>529456221Would be more productive if there was less waste happening in the form of robbing Peter to pay Ahmed
whats the point? is there a plan for germany? more profit? in order to do what? enrich the rich? why? the days of innovation are over.
>>529458617>Useful for (((society)))Stfu Polish niggercattle,go unclog my toilet.
>>529459155Sure, let's compete with a country that has more than 10x our population in manpower. This doesn't work and has never been Germany's competitive advantage.Trying to turn us into a sweatshop for China is fruitless. Invest in education and innovation and then we might make something that others want to buy again.
>>529456221They didn't have a problem getting Germans (or any first worlders) to work work work for the past 1000 years. What changed?
>>529459553You wouldn't believe the real numbers, no one believes them, see my above post. Doesn't even include taxes on food, heat and shelter. Gov quota is 50%, and a huge faction of Germans are tax receivers, like refugees, medical doctors, tax consultants, pensioners, social housing landlords, professors for dance in social fields. So someone else has to pay above 50, a lot.
>>529456221>willingly give up reliable and affordable energy supply>kraut u have to work 12 hours 6/7
>>5294562218 hour day - 5 day week incoming.
>>529456221I would work, legitimately I am trying to escape NEETdomI'm smart, responsible, highly capable and motivatedbut lol, all my applications are being deniedThis dude should have expanded childcare capacity as he promised instead of cry about sick daysbut whateverthey'll just twist this into an excuse to give more visas to Indians so BMW can pay lower wagesWe could be poor and freeze to death, as long as nobody votes the evil blue guys everything is finefuuuuuck this country
>>529456221This guy looks like a caricature of a German
>>52945622110 hours a day, 7 days a week does not sound bad right?Just a little bit more work.
>>529456221why do we need to match china?i bet these bugmen would rather live in europe
>>529458342We all must make sacrifices for our overlords. They are wise leaders
>>529459737Theft would imply that citizens aren't threatened with violent incarceration.Did you know that they just spent 80 000 Euros per bat, 80 000 000 in total, to keep them in a tunnel of a socialist railway near Stuttgart, instead of building some shed for 3,50?
>>529456221Hey Germans who aren't fags, do the opposite. Work less. Embrace a life of stoic minimalism. You don't need all that material shit. Don't be a goy consumer. Only work hard enough to cover what you need, let the rest of the jews in your government seethe as the mirgants eat up every last penny of their dwindling budgets.
>>529456221Western countries need to develop and codify AI into society, create laws that state that when our nation reaches parity, and AI has taken X number of jobs the providers must pay their debts to society. They will be taxed in order to provide a similar quality of life to the reduction in the labor pool. The work week will be set at 20 hours and most production will be augmented by autonomous systems. Instead of letting AI become the usher to true late stage feudalist capitalism, it will be the supplement to a highly productive, highly regulated mixed market economy.
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>>529456221>4 day weekHuh? Which days did they get rid of?
>>529460417livers are pretty good, but you get tired quickly
>>529458094I wish I didn't have to return from China. If it wasn't for their moon rune language, I'd live in Shanghai in a heartbeat. Better than any "Western" country by far.
>>529458039>not knowing brown people get free shit regardlessNo America doesn't have anything because we spend a trillion on a military. A military, whose sole purpose is to protect Israel and jewish financial interests. Now kys you retarded fucking nigger.
>>529456221>bring in indians and muslims>make them now work 24hrs a day with no pauseSorry germans, I didn't knew your game.
>>529456221>time to be patriotic now guysToo bad you let a load of shit skins in and vilify people proud of being white.
>>529457395It's far from the truth. If you've ever had a job you'd know most of the time at your work site is downtime. It's a jewish capitalist meme that we need to work more, deregulate the labour market and so on. They love to point at China and then get you to agree with them based on nationalism.The only people benefiting from you selling more of your time is the people who make more money from your labour than you do yourself, and the people whose wealth relies on the numbers looking good on the speculative market. You will NEVER earn as much money from your labour as you employer.
TOTALGLOBALISTDEATHSOON
>>529456221>Import shitskin savages for 20 years straight>Somehow still not enough manpower and they need to work even harderWW3 cant come soon enough.
>>529456221nah it's purely because of foreign leeches
>>529461480This. China does not have the burden of shitskin invaders on the streets nor do they tell their people they are scum.
>>529457395We have higher taxes than you retard and it is definitely worth it to work if you are willing.
>>529460053>Invest in education and innovationSure, we'll double the education funding for feral brownoid spawn and then give them interest free loans for their app startup that takes pictures of your ballsack to determine your favorite color. That'll be another 5% of your pre-tax income + tip and also we just imported pajeets to work there anyway
>>529456221Bullshit. The gooks have devalued their currency a lot and are paying their workers peanuts, compared to european workers. It's impossible to compete under such circumstances, it's just that simple. Also, why are the germs forced to compete against china? Why not just make it illegal to buy china shit? Do what trump does and put tarriffs on gook goods. And what's with the four day work crap? Everyone knows they work five days minimum and eight-ten hours a day minimum. It's a gigantic myth that the germans are lazy and don't work. Hell, in denmark you're insta fired, if you only want to work regular eight hour days and refuse to work more than that. They'll smear your reputation and call you lazy. A lazy bum who don't want to work. I don't understand why these so-called socialist politicians constantly lie like this. They are supposee to be on their own people's side, so what's with all that lying of theirs?
>>529461565>You will NEVER earn as much money from your labour as you employer.This is true but it is also fundamental in the employer to employee relationship. The employee does not take a financial risk like the employer does. He is risking his investments with the business, most often everything he has (and more if leveraged by loans). The employee gets a paycheck every month, which factors in the minimal risk. The employee can simply go away and choose another job whereas the employer is stuck with his business. It is only fair, and necessary, to reward the risk.But as all the other anons have pointed out, the tax burden is getting too high and if you choose to become an employer yourself, it is not looking better. I'm not only talking about income taxes but all the taxes combined. The bureaucracy is off the limits, too. You need several lawyers and tax advisors even for a small business.
>>529456221Germany is fucked and the USA did the fucking.
>>529458617Why twelve hours? You only need eight hours of sleep, so you might as well work 15 hour days. That way, you get one hour to go home and shower before it's sleepy time.
>>529461565true. true. but once they make the laws requiring you to work moar. nothing you can do buddh except be a homeless or something.
>>529457395China has 45% tax rate.
>>529463222>and if you choose to become an employer yourselflmao. get the silver spoon out of your mouth, klaus. id rather be an employer any day of the week and so would anybody but we dont have that option do we now
>>529458039Dude America has a welfare state.
>>529456221WE MUST WORK MORE TO SUPPORT ISRAEL
>>529463222Lol fuck off with that bullshit. I've heard this crap my entire life. These arguments have just one purpose, and that is to keep the average retard enslaved and oppressed. The rich eternally become richer and richer, while the average cuck becomes poorer and poorer. Why? Because of traitors like you who constantly come up with the same weasely arguments as to why the company owners should continue earning vastly more than the average retard on the street. The only end result here, is that the average retard constantly ends up in the same place, while the bosses/company owners constantly become richer and richer.
>>529463489https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkFe5iw1WoQ
>>52945973785% hereI refuse to do a single productive thing in my life, if I kept 100% of what I made I would work. Let it rot
>>529464160>The rich eternally become richer and richer, while the average cuck becomes poorer and poorer. Why? IQ gap
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>>529463222>financial risksocialized financial risk you mean lol
>>529458628Ouch, reading that hurt right in the feels.You're correct.>>529458654>straight2landfillis always an option in "capitalism"Ask your local supermarket/bakery/etc./etc./etc.
>>529460968The US has a welfare state. It's split up between state and federal welfare states. SSI and medicare is half of the federal budget alone. That is just a big giant welfare program for old people. And then there's all the non-SSI welfare such as medicaid and state welfare pograms which browns are disproportionate users.
>>529459355basedgive this man a Sack voll Reis
>>529464503espece de cretin tu crois vraiment que les riches le sont car plus malin? idiot. leur richesse est transmis de generation en generation. ils sont just chanceux cest tt. les vrai intello ne finissent jamais riche, ils font juste de bon salaries. meme les genies qui changent la societe ne finissent pas riche
>>529464919and why is health care so expensive in the usa if not yet another proof of greedy corporations
>>529463222>It's only fair I get exploited! My employer need to be able to grow their business so that they can earn even more moneyy!!!
Germany needs to stop trying to be a super power, it never works out in their favor when they try.>Match ChinaWhy the fuck do you need to? You're Germany. Get some fucking sense, Japan doesn't try to be a super power, and yet it got there because it genuinely enjoyed what it does and stayed homogenous with little immigration. Germany will fail time and time again and never realize why.
>>529465256It's mostly because of brown people leaching off the system and whites always have to pay the bill. Corporations can only do whatever they are able to get away with given the situation.
>>529463222>The employee does not take a financial risk like the employer does.The employee has less chance of surviving a firing financially than an employer has of surviving a bankruptcy.This type of rhetoric is pretending that we're still in 19th century capitalism where your partnership collapsing could actually ruin your life. Most corporate employers have no personal risk at all from a business collapse. They have stockpiled funds, assets, stonks, and legal protection from the collapse of the company they run; their own personal wealth can't be taken to cover a corporation's debts. Whenever money comes out of the corp as profit and is paid to the C-suite exec as wage or bonus or whatever, it becomes sacrosanct. If the corp eats shit that just means they need to find a new job in the next year or so. For a wagie, often living paycheck to paycheck, losing their job suddenly could easily be the beginning of lifelong poverty from spiraling catastrophes; missed bills and bad credit mean escalating late fees and interest on everything, punishing you for not being able to pay.When we're discussing what employers deserve, we're somehow always talking about a startup that's a sole proprietorship or something for some reason, even though the bulk of employers are on top of well-entrenched corporations, many of which are too big to fail.
>>529458337>politicians say citizins need to work harder>said politicians dont get shit done in the govermentYou are right, most of them dont really work hard neither!
>>529465328>stop trying to be a super powerIn the first two attempts, they were pretty much ganged up on by the rest of the world.
>>529464503it's kind of a no-brainer that to keep your wealth you shouldn't surround yourself with people starving, it's a good investment to keep everyone around you relatively happy and not buy more than you can chew, the rise of the west and the rise of the middle class kinda go hand in hand
>>529460791i've seen jobs advertised as having only a 4-day week the last couple of years, but it's still the absolute exception
>>529456221german autism is incredible
Europe carries the values of the Talmud. And we must work to ensure the safety of Israel. Even if that means the demise of ancient European civilization.
>>529466184That's not the same thing as making it the standard either via collective agreements or by legislation. Those jobs are just shittier worse paid jobs.
>>529466160There's a whole another aspect to that. They are feeding workers garbage processed crap while pricing them out of beef which is the actual health food. If we go to some kind of Indian model of nutrition where they feed us mostly vegan garbage and insect protein then even the theory of keeping our bellies full doesn't work anymore.
>>529464371And then nobody seems to understand why white birth rates are so low, then they tell you it's YOUR fault and it's also YOUR fault that they have to replace you with low-IQ invaders.Only when it comes to fighting their wars, they will prioritize YOU again.Nobody listens to you, nobody takes you seriously. They all just manipulate you for their goals.What a great time to be alive. emasculated, worthless, hated.
>work more, says the person who sits on their ass profiting off the backs of others
>>529466184Those are only for the hard sought jobs that cant be automated or not many can do.
>>529456221The goyim must work to feed the niglets who must slaughter them in the next 20 years. REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST!
>>529458039We dont have healthcare, we do have welfare. Youve been duped by kikes as is the norm with amerishart retards
>>529463222>He is risking his investments with the business, most often everything he has (and more if leveraged by loans).Thats why the most basic legal company you can register fully excludes personal liablity by the owner, you fucking bootlicker. The most the average employer "risks" is an initial investement of a few 10k, and even that applies basically only to start ups. Other than that, a company owner risks nothing besides the opportunity ot make even more money from a company if it goes bankrup, unless he actively chooses to voluntarily invest more of his own money intro the company.
>>529458039US has the most immigrants per capita. Most immigrant groups are actually financially independent from the Anglo, and therefore more entrenched, arguably worse than anything in Europe.
>>529457395>goes to government distribution programs>goes to niggersftfy
>inflation/shrinkflation >imported cheap labor >cheaper ingredients/materials the jew system of infinite growth not sustainable. when the system collapses the fingers are going to be pointed at "the elite" who are outnumbered more than 9,999 to 1. it's going to be a bloodbath.
>>529467136In 300 years of American history the ony ""revolution"" you had was about elites refusing to pay tax to the British. That's it. Your entire system is built around sustaining status quo
All BS. Just as demographics are destiny so is IQ. German scientific advancement greatly outpaces chink with the hirer work life balance. Western Europe military technology can easily destroy chink, as long as whiteness is maintained we're invincible.
>>529456221lol, think ill pass you kike faggot
>>529456221Why should I give a fuck about China want to beat them quit importing their goods and outsourcing jobs there and India. There ya go. Holy fuck.
>germans must become slave labor like the workers in china!yet no german will step up and slit his throat in broad daylight like he's clearly begging for
>>529463457Germany should have attacked and sunk the American submarine that destroyed nordstream
>>529464919>That is just a big giant welfare program for old people.Correction:A big giant welfare program for Pharma, Big Ag, and landlords, washed through the old people who paid into those systems all their lives.Just like "food programs" are a big giant welfare program for Pharma/Big Ag (no real diff) washed through shitskins.
>>529457395That's what it's about. "Earn more tax for the state, so that we can fund the weaponry."
>born a richfag, never worked a real job in his entire life>briefly had a private sector job, didn't actually do anything but companies still paid him millions>goes back to politics and praises the chinx 996 work grinda respectable society would just burn people like this in public frfr
>>529459553Denmark has 41% tax for low-wage, but you get a headroom amount that you subtract so it's more like 30% maybe. Denmark is actaully pretty decent with allowing freedom for capitalism while also having strong communes and government. I just wish the politicians didn't meddle so much.
>>529464942Aber nur LangkornIch mag 50-50 Mischung Basmati und Jasminreis.Hasse den klebrigen Reis, den die Ostasian generell so mögen.
>>529456221>Work will make you free
>>529456221Don't they have like tens of millions of browns on welfare and having sexual emergencies with white girls
>>529464160There's a difference between a man who builds his own business and tries to make it succeed, and some psychopath in a suit who enters the company 30 years later and rises into the 'boss' position. Both are technically an employer but they're not the same men. You're justified in hating 'the suits' but you throw the good founders into the same bag of hate (and maybe the psycho suits manipulated you into confusing the two). The founder, the real man, is actually just you but taking a colossal risk of a lifetime.
>>529457395>>529458654maybe we dont need to compete with international companies? we can just pay less taxes and have the state not waste it on retarded bullshit and probably have 3 day work weeks
>>5294661844 day weeks are scams. You are still expected to do just as much work as before, but just way faster. And you also obviously earn less money, since you only work four days a week. And if you refuse to work overtime, you're fired. I know, because i've tried it. The second i said no to working more than was initially agreed upon, i was fired.
>>529467926Why bother? All that would happen, is that the guy would be replaced with someone else, while the killer would be thrown in jail for the rest of his life. All for a stupid and ungrateful people. A stupid and ungrateful people who wouldn't lift a finger to help him.
>>529459499This. Give your people something positive to work towards, and they will.
>>529456221Okay but why is he taking trips to china shouldn’t he be in his office working?
>>529457819We need the based Colombian from Hannover in this thread....
>>529469890Fuck off, all bosses are evil and shouldn't be allowed to earn more than a certain amount. Anything else is unpatriotric.
>>529471003Traveling across the world in a private jet paid for by the government and staying in 5 star hotels is all part of the job. Now go back to your cubicle, wagie
Why is Germany pissing on their own people so much? Do they want "it" to happen again?
>>529457395>>529456221Not to mention China downs have a bazillion immigrants to give free money.
>>529456221>YOU HAFTA WORK HAARDER TO BUUYY MOOORE SHIIIT FROOOM CHIIIIINAAA
Arbeit macht frei?
>>529471170If a man isn't allowed to earn more than a certain amount, then what's his incentive to grow his business more than a certain amount? Is his further incentive a medal from the central commitee that says he's a hero of the workers and then a handshake? He can't leave his children an inheritance from that bullshit.
>>529456221>Back in the day we would use machines, but we don't have any energy to power them
>>529457395PAY YOUR BOOMER TAX
>>529472246ANSCHLUSS
>>529474122>If a man isn't allowed to earn more than a certain amount, then what's his incentive to grow his business more than a certain amountOh no, no more megacorporations what will the world do.Keep fighting for your chains slave.
>>529457395>half right after you receive itYou're either a loser neet who doesn't know shit or a richfag
>>529456221Dude went to China, saw all the people working, but not how they're on the brink of suicide, and is impressed
>>529470942your apathy is the real reason why. you're literally the same as the cattle you're describing, you'd rather live like an exploited farm animal than stand on principle and die like man if necessaryyou're to BLAME. no one else
People need to work less. A general strike would have stopped the C19 psycho pandemic in 5 minutes, for instance.
