I argue that in the era of overt display of power, performative politics and social media, inaction = losing. >but we're just focused on economic developmentso is everyone else. That's no excuse.Thoughts?
>>529515433The winning argument is that movement does not mean progress and great power politics are inherently boring by design.
Depends how you define losing. If Xi is happy for China to be a second-rate power, never attempts taking Taiwan and just be chill, then China would be winning. That also means America's grand strategy of China containment is also winning. Win-win.
What western retards don't understand is that Xi is doing a lot of things, just not impacting the US.>removing "corrupted" generals/officials (yeah right)>funding a shitload of shills abroad in the English and Japanese forums to tell "Chinese story" and how muh Japan badI feel it every times I visit any places, including this.It's not fucking working. Fuck China and NIPPON BANZAI.
>>529515433Upvoted! Keep up the low qualty spam! Don't let /pol/ see any threads about American air defense and radars failing left and right, Tel Aviv burning and other American terrorist bases getting blown up. Keep spaming more motivational and demotivational slide threads. Shut down all their news reports! Deny all losses! Awoooo!
>>529515433I'll debunk that.There is no one size fits all strategy for all countries.Each country needs to pay to their strengths according to their relative position in the world and constraints.For the US with no manufacturing, with all points spent in economic imperialism and the strongest military, using their military as a giant stick is the correct strategy.For China that specced into manufacturing, trade, and a defensive military, doing nothing is the correct strategy.For smaller countries, dodging the big stick while collecting the gibs gumdrops from China is the correct strategy.This is realpolitik and Jiang's game theory.
>>529515944>This is realpolitik and Jiang's game theory.Glownig like "Jiang" are a part of China's information warfare strategy.
>>529515433He's doing his thing, just isn't making big dick moves like the US has been. He knows Taiwan isn't worth risking his legacy and potentially his party's dominance over, so playing the long game is better in that case.
>>529516045Eh I don't care who the person is, I just listen to whether their ideas/points make sense.Jiang's game theory perspective in this instance is the same as what Kissinger was writing about and doing in the '70s (and Kissinger is responsible for shaping the entire modern US and world).Same as what John Mearsheimer is saying, same as what realpolitik Russians are doing, same as what all SEA politicians are saying, etc.
>>529515944>>529516417jiang is a liar and a fraud, he says China will not be a dominant world power, he is wrong. He should stay in canada like the traitor her is and never return to China.
>>529516090Sadly the truth is countries care a lot about normative superiority due to the rise of nationalism and social media. it's absolutely a critical part of the global propaganda/perceptions war.>>529516600I listened to this guy. His argument is that China's extreme vertical integration and scale is impressive but in the long run can't compete with the cycle of creative destruction of the West (mostly the US). China is very good at industrialising stuff because they have large scale on matters that are already known. Once the West has identified a worthwhile endeavor, they are quite quick at reproducing them efficiently and even going above and beyond in some cases. But there is a problem with this model, the commanding heights of that architecture (be it AI or some future endeavor) will never truly be theirs. Which ties in nicely with what these anons >>529515944 >529515580 >>529515575 said. Maybe China can be the 'scaler' and US can be the 'zero to one' guy.
>>529515433You misinterpret winning. His win condition was doing nothing, therefore he's winning.
>>529516600He can't lie about something he's speculating about, especially when he explicitly states he's speculating.Honestly he's right, because every step China is taking would be counteractive to them becoming the dominant world power in the future.For one they're building a redundant multilateral framework of multiple countries which would become the primary opposition to any sole country dominating as world power in the future.Also dominant world power is a status you can only hold for a few centuries max, as we've seen with the British empire and the US empire and China isn't interested in short term goals.Then there's the fact of their declining population.Fact is, the very parameters that used to define what a dominant world power is no longer exists in the age of interdependent global supply chains, sophisticated irresistible weaponry (weaponized prions, genetic bioweapons included), mass immigration, etc.Corporations are the new countries, and power is now contested in the realm of ideas.
>>529515433Why are you so obsessed with China?
>>529515433China has won without a shot fired. America can continue sending their armies out to defend their hegemony but they are weakening by the fucking second. Unless America gasses their kikes and lock their women up, will will continue to degrade and the QOL of the average man will go into the dumpster. You know it, I know it, every fucking man and woman knows this. Its fucking obvious.
>>529516417>KissingerA China kike slave who is only praised by China.But of course you mention him because you are one of those China shills yourself.>John MearsheimerSame fraud as Jeffrey Sachs, all about that money.
>>529515433What inaction? China is engaged in a massive arms build-up and import substitution drive that makes the Manhattan project look like a leisurely Sunday picnic in comparison
>>529517962I don't know why locking their women up would help. That would require a civil war which would weaken them.
>>529518051>A China kike slave who is only praised by ChinaKissinger was a Rothschild enforcer praised by the entire political apparatus of the JewSA
>>529518369His main benefit is to help China's rise.Him convincing Nixon to normalize relationship, his involvement in the Sino-Vietnam war, his movement to help the Democrats Clinton to offload manufacturing to China.He even visits China to eat his 100 year old birthday cake.He's only well-liked in China.
>>529518051It doesn't matter what you label Kissinger/them as, because fact of the matter is Kissinger was the architect of modern day US economic and foreign policy.Every country on earth is still playing the game he set up (petrodollars).
>>529518236Cause their women are out in the streets protesting in favor of national suicide. They need to be kept imprisoned for an indefinite period of time or better yet, killed.
>>529515433There's noone for him to excuse himself to nigga he the big hoss
>>529515433China has been arming Iran for the last 2 years.China knows that for every dollar spend on Iran, the US will match it 10 times to defend Israel.China will use Iran to bankrupt America and cripple their economy.
>>529518539It does matter, because his shit only benefits China.In fact, before Trump, arguably even Bush and Obama benefitted China due to the occupation of Iraq (China were getting all the sweet oil deal despite the country being occupied by the US).It all ended with Trump in power, when the Zionists decide to cut the international pro-China faction loose.Hence all this China-US war.
>>529518634China should know that like the yuan, the dollar can be printed.Inflation is fake and so is fiat currency.But the only thing they understand is bankruptcy, but they don't understand someone who can print their own money will never go bankrupted.
>>529518684It only seems that way because the downfall of the US is inevitable.
>>529518860>inevitableThe language of Chinese propagandists.Our victory is always inevitable, and our enemies will always lose.But they never specify the date and time.After all, if they already win, there wouldn't be any need to boast about it.
>>529515433Thoughts about what you intended to convey with that unformed brain fart?I'm not going to guess. No idea.
>>529519041Modern /pol/ is filled with trash with jeets, China and their bots talking over with each other.Not a single iota of SOVL or intelligence.
>>529518780>Inflation is fakeIs not.Trump went on a huge spending spree during covid and this throws the US into recession. Ironically, dumb Americans called it "Bidenflation" , claiming this happened because Biden give tax discounts on fucking EVs.Also, China too print money to inflate their currency and keep competitive.If you look up, you will see that over 80% of the debt US has is external debt (people from outside the government leading money to the US), but China debt is almost entirely internal debt (state own banks).And let's not forget that is not only the US government that is broken. The average American own 100k in debt.
>>529519238>Inflation is fakeIs not.No, it's 100% fake.Biden printed the treasury like 2x or 3x times during Covid time.Meanwhile, product prices can still go down and be manageable.The economics who tell you inflation leads to bankruptcy/inflation is real are liars and scams.>The average American own 100k in debt.Another scam.A debt that cannot be collected is no debt.>but China debt is almost entirely internal debt (state own banks).You understand this, but you think it's different for the US, retard? Who's gonna go to the US to collect debt?
>>5295186841. His shit didn't just benefit China. It was the US that primarily benefited from being rescued from a second Great Depression in the '70s. There was a bank run on gold brewing on the US due to overspending, and Kissinger getting Saudi Arabia to adopt petrodollars is what saved the USD as the global reserve currency and is why the '80s and '90s even happened.2. Iraq benefited the US and Israel primarily. Pointing to China of all countries as the benefactor is just an extreme reach of blame.3. It's moot as I said, because in order to analyze how each person is playing the game (the point of the thread), you need to identify the game. And we know the game is USD petrodollars as world reserve currency, and that Kissinger designed the game. Therefore all our analysis of what each country benefits most from strategically will inescapably involve Kissinger's policies.
>>529515433My thoughts are >china was built up as the factory of jewish globalism, as a deliberate policy, by jews offshoring our industry there>also, jewish speculators like charlie munger made trillions longing entities like walmart, because they knew the plan of destroying mom and pop shops who couldn't compete with chink slave labor>the chink military was allowed to be built up, as a controlled opposition, with American money, from cheap chink products, at a massive trade imbalance, as a scare crow, used to justify infinite US defense spending>communist china was set up from the beginning, by western jews>israelis are now heavily being subsidized to enter the chink market (picrel)>the chinese technocratic surveillance/police state is the jew world order model for the entire planetThe jews will probably run the wheels off the US/the west, and use the US military for this current part of their plan, and after a US collapse, totally set up in China/the east, as their home base. OR, just go through with a total ww3 scenerio, where both sides are destroyed.
>>529519671Again, saying it didn't just benefit China while it benefits the China the most.China actually grows the largest during Kissinger's time, ironically they fall to the current 5% grows AFTER Kissinger is dead and the first Trump's term.Shut it, China shill, we know you. Go argue with AI or jeets, I know your shit.
>>529515433Evidence for the claim made here>>529519726That the creation of chinese communism was a jewish endeavor
>>529515433>inaction = losingCalm yourself down little one.Have you seen London ? jesus, it's a dump with no future. England has no future. And why is that ? All you had to do was NUFFIN. Not let in hordes of indians and shades of brown.
>>529518594Wrong. See pic here>>529519726They are subsidizing israelis to enter the chink markets. They are a controlled op ZOG. Built up by jews, from the beginning, as shown in picrel here>>529519845
>>529516090>just isn't making big dick movesare you fucking retarded ? why would you announce your big dick moves. you goddamn fucking tiktok retard.
>>529519982He's not talking about demographics. He's talking about world power politics. Like the fact that venesuela was at least 100 billion in debt to china. China had them on the petro yuan system. Do you think that china will get that money back? The US is now controlling Venesualan oil. If china wants some, they have to use the denominated system. Do you think china likes any of this? No. Will they do anything about it? No. So now, iran was on the petro yuan system, and key to the chinese dream of a belt and road international system. So what's the status of that? What happens when the dominoes keep falling?
>>529519482>Meanwhile, product prices can still go down and be manageable.The oppose happen when you give money to people (like what happened with stimulus checks)More people with money brought more stuff and prices rose up dramatically, comically above what it cost to produce stuff.There is a reason why so many nations have crazy high interest rates, this reduces consumption and keep prices low reducing inflation.Also, pic related is the money print I was talking about. Most of the money printed during Biden (which was a lot, let's not fool each other) had already been approved and secured by Trump government.>A debt that cannot be collected is no debt.Tell this to japanese people in the 90's, or americans in 2008.>You understand this, but you think it's different for the US, retard? Who's gonna go to the US to collect debt?Do you know how bounds work?I lean money to the US, and the US say, I will keep paying you, IDK, 7% of this money every year for the next 10 years and then you can return the bound and I pay the original value back.If they stop paying this yields, people/banks/governments will stop buying bounds and the US government collapses.The risk of having too much debt, is that you start to sacrifice a large chunk of your tax collection to pay those yields, and this often require you to ask for even more money.There is a name for when your country can no longer pay it's debts. It's called DEFAULT, and you don't want to be living in a place when it happens.
>>529515433yes china is losing
>>529519982Also, iran was making up the difference in chink oil supply, since russian oil became more difficult to deal in. China will just be seen as a yapping dog, like russia now is, with the nuke threats every other week.
>>529519792>Again, saying it didn't just benefit China while it benefits the China the most.It only seems that way now because China didn't misplay their hand for decades and it was also contingent on multiple world events that were not set in stone or set up by design to benefit China.Hindsight is 20/20 and also wrong usually.Kissinger normalized relations with China not because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because they wanted to insert the US between the soviet union and China to prevent them from uniting against the US (keep your enemies close, etc). Israel is literally doing the same with India right now by the way.China's introduction to the WTO didn't happen because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because the ownership class of US manufacturing were tired of US labour unions demanding higher pay and wanted higher profits so positioned China's labour force against the US working class.Iraq happened because Saddam Hussein starting selling oil in euros which threatened the dominance of the US petrodollar, which would have taken out the US' economy since it now relied solely on financialization after having outsourced its manufacturing.Every decision made was a selfish self-serving decision that only directly solely benefits the US. The fact that other countries benefited is just a side-effect.You're spouting absolute garbage that anyone reading 5 minutes of contextual history could debunk.And it's all moot anyways as I've said since Kissinger is the architect of the current game, so every country is still making decisions based on the rules of that game.
>>529520466This little yapping retard still goes on and on.Tell me the date and time WHEN some countries or ANYONE is gonna go to the US to collect their debt.It's all fucking retarded, economics is a retarded cult.Print money, give it to people, buy real fucking things (machine, food, clothes, guns). The former is not real, the latter is.Trump understands this.He can spends trillions to get a thousand ton of oil, because the former is fake but the latter is real.
What is the prize for winning?
>>529520711tl;dr>You're spouting absolute garbage that anyone reading 5 minutes of contextual history could debunk.No, everyone is free to read my shit and compare it to your.Fuck you China shills, and fuck Kissinger.
>>529520814Read my post again until you understand it noob.Your mom is sucking Kissinger's dick in hell.
>>529520716No one needs to go to the US to collect their debt. People will just stop buying bonds the US Dollar will collapse.Why is so hard to explain basic international economy to a communist? Are you guys really that illiterate?
>>529520884>People will just stop buying bonds the US Dollar will collapse.Right, when will said collapse happen? Months? Years, give me a date.>Why is so hard to explain basic international economy to a communist? Are you guys really that illiterate?No, because this "communist" isn't retarded enough to believe in cult like "international economy".What's next, you expect me to believe in international "laws"?They have a saying in China, a scholar cannot say no to an illiterate soldier. Because the moment he yaps his mouth, he gets slapped.
>>529520624Yapping dog? What's the current status of ANY oil passing through there? 0% right? So much for yapping.
>>529520876I take offense in that.But eh, no matter, Kissinger is being burned in hell, and China is feeling the pain.
>>529521103You'll soon be joining your mom.Reposting so I can victory lap style on you again and take a big fat squat on your peanut brain.1. Kissinger normalized relations with China not because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because they wanted to insert the US between the soviet union and China to prevent them from uniting against the US (keep your enemies close, etc). Israel is literally doing the same with India right now by the way.2. China's introduction to the WTO didn't happen because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because the ownership class of US manufacturing were tired of US labour unions demanding higher pay and wanted higher profits so positioned China's labour force against the US working class.3. Iraq happened because Saddam Hussein starting selling oil in euros which threatened the dominance of the US petrodollar, which would have taken out the US' economy since it now relied solely on financialization after having outsourced its manufacturing.
>>529521285>Reposting so I can victory lap style on you again and take a big fat squat on your peanut brain.I won't read the rest but I think now at least you talk for real instead.As for the rest, shove it up your ass.
>>529521383Didn't read your post, but thanks for the chance to reiterate and completely dispel your subversive attempts at opinion-shaping ITT.1. Kissinger normalized relations with China not because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because they wanted to insert the US between the soviet union and China to prevent them from uniting against the US (keep your enemies close, etc). Israel is literally doing the same with India right now by the way.2. China's introduction to the WTO didn't happen because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because the ownership class of US manufacturing were tired of US labour unions demanding higher pay and wanted higher profits so positioned China's labour force against the US working class.3. Iraq happened because Saddam Hussein starting selling oil in euros which threatened the dominance of the US petrodollar, which would have taken out the US' economy since it now relied solely on financialization after having outsourced its manufacturing.There is no one size fits all strategy for all countries.Each country needs to pay to their strengths according to their relative position in the world and constraints.1. For the US with no manufacturing, with all points spent in economic imperialism and the strongest military, using their military as a giant stick is the correct strategy.2. For China that specced into manufacturing, trade, and a defensive military, doing nothing is the correct strategy.3. For smaller countries, dodging the big stick while collecting the gibs gumdrops from China is the correct strategy.
>>529518780>someone who can print their own money will never go bankrupted.retard of the year award
>>529521592Good example.Does Zimbawe still exist?How is Rhodesia btw?>>529521591>Didn't read your post, but thanks for the chance to reiterate and completely dispel your subversive attempts at opinion-shaping ITT.LMAO China shills calling out real people, a sights for sore eyes.
>>529521042>Right, when will said collapse happen? Months? Years, give me a date.Usually next month, when there is no money to pay all public employees and the government start to decide who should get paid and who should not.>do we say fuck you to teachers and our party never get's elected again?>do we don't pay police officers and watch the cities became niggerparadise?>do we cut military spending and watch a coup happen?>maybe we just don't pay for trash collection for a couple of monthsYou don't understand that modern countries live of debt. France for example (i use this example because you sure know about France), they have an external debt ratio of 264% from their GDP. If they stop issuing bonds to get money, the total collapse will be eminent, literally 2 weeks.
Iraq also happened because it was part of Israel grand plan to topple seven countries:- Iraq (X)- Syria (X)- Lebanon (X)- Libya (X)- Somalia (X)- Sudan (X)- IranSo that Israel can become regional hegemon (Wesley Clark memo).
>>5295217371. Kissinger normalized relations with China not because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because they wanted to insert the US between the soviet union and China to prevent them from uniting against the US (keep your enemies close, etc). Israel is literally doing the same with India right now by the way.2. China's introduction to the WTO didn't happen because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because the ownership class of US manufacturing were tired of US labour unions demanding higher pay and wanted higher profits so positioned China's labour force against the US working class.3. Iraq happened because Saddam Hussein starting selling oil in euros which threatened the dominance of the US petrodollar, which would have taken out the US' economy since it now relied solely on financialization after having outsourced its manufacturing.>same as what happened to Libya btw, since Gaddafi was pushing for a gold standard.You're either an israeli sexpat in vietnam or the dumbest asian I've ever seen.
>>529521878>Usually next month, when there is no money to pay all public employees and the government start to decide who should get paid and who should not.OK, so if next month the US doesn't go into total collapse, I will repost this, hope you are here to see it.>You don't understand that modern countries live of debtAnd you don't understand that a debt that cannot be collected is not a debt.But I think you actually do understand this, you just can't say it because for some reasons you believe in the "economy" cult.
>>529522002>You're either an israeli sexpat in vietnam or the dumbest asian I've ever seen.Keep getting madder, I love bugging out China shills like this.See, this is China's "action", they have retarded ass paid-by-the-time bots like this completely infesting the 'net and talking with themselves.It's NOT fucking working!
Well every single year the UK, USA, France etc turn more and more into tribalistic black people countries, so within a few decades it seems likely that China and Russia will have no rivals left.
>>529522032>>529522117Wah wah wah 1. Kissinger normalized relations with China not because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because they wanted to insert the US between the soviet union and China to prevent them from uniting against the US (keep your enemies close, etc). Israel is literally doing the same with India right now by the way.2. China's introduction to the WTO didn't happen because the US wanted China to become world dominant superpower, but because the ownership class of US manufacturing were tired of US labour unions demanding higher pay and wanted higher profits so positioned China's labour force against the US working class.3. Iraq happened because Saddam Hussein starting selling oil in euros which threatened the dominance of the US petrodollar, which would have taken out the US' economy since it now relied solely on financialization after having outsourced its manufacturing.>same as what happened to Libya btw, since Gaddafi was pushing for a gold standard.You're either an israeli sexpat in vietnam or the dumbest asian I've ever seen.The mad ones are your ancestors looking from beyond the afterlife lol.You're going to have to face them one day with these blantantly lying shit takes of yours.
>>529522032but the us is still issuing bounds.While they can print money, they are "safe".M8, the US almost collapsed not long ago when the US run out of money and they had a country wide government shutdown because Trump wanted to print more money than the democrats were willing to allow.Planes were not flying because no one paid the air control people...
>>529521878Capped for posterity.You think US is gonna collapse in a month because...lemme check it...bond market collapse.
>>529515433The whole "do nothing = win" meme contradicts what we have seen throughout history. The most important thing to winning is initiative, those who act win, those who wait to react lose. This is a pattern all throughout history, Alexander, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler. While obviously Caesar, Hitler, and Napoleon failed in the end, the fact they were able to punch so far above their weight simply due to initiative shows this basic principle. China is losing allies all around due to American intervention, and their demographics are no better than Europe's or America's, not sure what exactly how staying dormant will fix any of this.
>>529515433>thoughtshere's a thought:kill yourself you pathetic glowniggeryou're literally the meme holding the stick "come on do something"
>>529522249he is from a communist country.Obliviousness to how capitalism work is normal, just take it slow.
>>529522321Your ass is going to be capped for posterity lol.By satan in hell.
>>529522258Right, the US "almost collapsed not long ago".See, this is how the retarded shills talk on the internet.Almost, nearly, and then inevitable.Right on, friendo.>While they can print money, they are "safe".So you yourself admit that the US is safe because they can print money, holy shit, you literally agree with me.Fuck these "economics" cult man. It's not real.
>>529517777Nice get for a Sunday.
>>529522561I said, and I repeat. The US is safe while it CAN print money.The same way Weimar Republic was...
>>529515433You’re wrong, pic related is how you destroy a nation, white Americans will be a minority in America once the boomers die off, China will remain Chinese and Iran will remain Iranian
>>529522324China is quoting Lao Zhu and Confucius "Wait until the enemy corpse floats by the river" and Sun Tzu "Never fight until you are sure to win".These sound cool, but China historically got conquered by tartars not once but 3 times (Jin Jurchen, Yuan Mongol, Qing Manchu) by this philosophy.Now these modern invaded and raped Chinese cope by saying these dynasties "Chinese"-ize while whining about Han supremacists ideology (same way America whines about white supremarcists).
>>529515433Focusing purely on economics like China can put you in a bad position thoughI was thinking of that just this morningChina is too weak to act through military means so I understand why they work through the economy like the Jews do but you really can't be a world power without a true military might to back it upChina lost the game when russia invaded ukraine and China didn't make its move on TaiwanChina made a very big miscalculation thereIts position is getting more and more precious every day
Please fuck our proxies, President Trump!
>>529515433in a sense it's true, ultimately people that wanted to align with them may now have second thought if they see them as weak compared to america
>>529515433Social media can produce soldiers, but not missiles. Not to mention, in autocracies peoples opinions are worth less, perceptions are worth more in democracies.
>>529517777checked.
>>529522719Right, you mean the Weimar republic that turns into the National Socialist Germany.Same country, btw.No, I have said it, bankruptcy (as what you think it means) isn't real. Money is fake, resources and weapons are real.
>>529515433dump all US dollar bonds and crush the US economy. dont invade taiwan but destroy the electronics factories to make it impossible for america to replenish war critical resources. (oh no, a terrible accident happend our missle just started flying from all that US jamming, so sorry.)fuck america so hard it cant recover from that.make them waste crucial resources with a fuckt up economy. instigate violent civil unrest. the must be a price payed. attack crucial US oil refinery's, increase the price even further.
>>529523494Do you genuinely think China could dump its US dollars and bonds without plunging into an economic shitstorm? Delusional
Honestly I'm just a little sad there wasn't higher level discourse ITT.USAID needs to get better shills, this stooge with the Vietnamese flag is just an embarrassment.
>>529524210Higher discourse my ass, you China shill are just mad I bust your fucking chatGPT slops.Tell your superior, it's NOT fucking WORKING, haha.
