Previous thread >>529779381The reason feminism is getting out of control is because women are willing to act as one group identity and act in the interest of that group identity.But men don't. They simply refuse to act as a collective in order to get what they want.Can you imagine if every man in the country just stopped working and would only go back if women's rights were repealed?If you want to subjugate women as a collective, you need to act like a collective.MGTOW is just the start. Men need to ACTIVELY fight for their collective interests.
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>>529801528see>>529801842Men created civilization through cooperation. They managed to make breeding not a life or death endeavor.
>>529802014>women undermine cooperation between menthis. Feminists destroyed men's spaces and men's social lives.
>>529801718>Thread #2tl;dr on the conclusions of the first thread?
>>529802296the tl;dr is that men are golems of femalesand females are legally/economically elevated in societyin addition to their biological advantage over males (imperative to simp)therefore governments should rebalance this relationship
>>529802450Thanks, I was writing the below.>muh gubbmint save meFuck the government.>>529801718From just this OP, my two cents.>MGTOWThis seems good enough for now. It's a slow counter, but a good one, nonetheless. Let it all rot, we don't care. Once it rots, we build it up from the bottom again. No need to actually waste our effort fighting. Just sit back and enjoy the collapse.Also, isolation and silence and peace is very good for manliness.
>>529801718By subscribing to the jewish lie of materialism and atheism, men are tricked into believing that they are alone and desolate. When men are tricked into believing they are alone and desolate, they are then presented with the idea that the only remedy is feminine companionship and sex. In order to pursue and achieve the sense of connection and relationship all humans so desperately desire, men make fools of themselves and become weak frauds. They pursue women and sex as the ultimate goal and meaning in life, tossing aside all sense of dignity, virtue and principles in the process. In this men successfully become atomized; they cannot unite and operate as a collective with higher aspirations and civilizational desire because they are too obsessed with the pursuit of female energy and presence. Thus simps are born and men betray and trample over each other, hurting their collective status and ability to assert masculine will upon society, turning it feminized and under the control of women’s whims
>>529802535change lawschange incentive structureschange behaviorsits that simple, its not about dependence its about leverage
We don't need to do gay shit like that. Just live your life and build something or whatever so you don't reincarnate as a jeet for failing the test
>>529802296Here are the highlights:>Feminism gained as much traction as it did because women are willing to cooperate and act as a group identity.>Women, and by extension governments, will do everything in their power to prevent men acting as a group identity because men together are strong. See Nazi Germany and Rome before it went to shit.>Men can't work together because there is a culture of shame and backstabbing that make men compete with each other instead of cooperate.>This needs to change if men want better lives.>>529802535I understand, but letting everything collapse is just a waste of all the technological progress we've made as a species.We don't have to collapse back into the dark ages if men just work together to oust women from their positions of unearned power.Why even let it get to that point?
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>>529801718Because other men stop them.You think feminists have any power? They have influence because men simp for and enable them.
>>529802976It's never going to become a mad max world. Just let Millennial and zoomer women be single and childless en masse. The younger generations will understand the outcome that the behavior created. >>529802573I'm glad I figured this out before I kms
>>529803292>men do this for a potential crumb of leftover pussydire
>>529802587Who change that shit? If you're waiting for government to do that, they won't.>>529802976>is just a waste of all the technological progress we've made as a species.Yes. Fuck it. We don't need that shit. It only exists to make life easier for them. And when it's easy for them, they just want to fuck over us. Let it rot back to dark ages and you'll see them begging on their knees for us to protect them from fucking bears and assorted wilderness.>>529803092It's what I do, fren. If for some reason I have to chose between a man and a woman for something, I chose the man in the way cunts claim the patriarchy works despite never having been this way ever. Yeah, I started doing that thanks to feminism. Kind of picrel, but the patriarchy the feminists think I am.
>>529803483>It's never going to become a mad max worldI hope you're right anon. But with how fragile the technological systems of the modern world are, I only see two outcomes.Either Clownworld continues, or it doesn't.How the latter option manifests, that's for us to decide.>>529803626OR, we could just change the laws and incentives while keeping the tech that makes life easier.Win win.
>>529801718Draft women to war in equal number to men.#DraftGapImagine all these surviving males from the ukraine war, coming back, realizing they'll never marry, will never have kids, having fought for nothing. Brutal.
>>529803845This is the female equivalent of a 6’4 and 5’6 man standing next to each other
>>529803761>we could just change the lawsIf we had the power to do that, why havent anyone yet? Oh, guess we lowly plebs have no real power in ZOG world. Let. it. rot.
>>529804277Because, again, women act as a unified block.If men want to beat women, they, too, need to work as a unified block.Weather that be voting, striking, or rioting, collective action is the only way forward if you want results.
>>529801718biologically hardwired to compete against one another. its why competitive vidya is popular with men while women stay away from it. that programming never left us, its only changed outlets. thats why telling men to stop simping will never work either.
>>529804976this is correct, because simping is in biology>female enters environment>food/shelter/fuckmax>babies are producedit's obvious
>>529804801>strikingMGTOW is the only one that's working, because it can be done isolated, instead of requiring your block organization.If we could organize to change the laws or do any sort of pushing, we would have. It's not like no man has ever thought about "hey, let's join forces" and you're the first smart ass blessed with this original idea. It's just no one can do it, so we need a plan that doesn't require this level of block organization to work. MGTOW is shit but it's the only shit we have so far that meets this criteria.
>>529801883men mean nothing to women but the moment stacy pays attention to chud, chud will become another npc because pussy is that strong
>>529801718Because I want a woman and children and will do whatever is required to get it.
>>529804801>women act as a unified blockYea right, until there's a shoe sale at the mall amiright fellas?
>>529805230nonsense, i had consistent GOOD pussy accessthe last two years, and i didn't become "blue pilled" or whatever, loli had sex and coomed in her womb over 200 timesi won by every metrick
>>529801718garbage wahmmen slide thread
>>529801718What does working together look like?>Can you imagine if every man in the country just stopped working and would only go back if women's rights were repealed?Please, complete fantasy
>>529805179Why do you think governments are running psy-ops keeping men divided?Why do you think women, on an individual basis, get so uncomfortable when men gather in groups that they seek to infiltrate those spaces and destroy them?There are dark forces that are TERRIFIED of collective male action.MGTOW is good, but it's just the bare minimum.The next step should be education and ACTION!Satanists do everything in their power to prevent these ideas from being acted upon. It's their number one fear.>>529805310Sure they squabble amongst themselves, but when the chips are down, they back each other up no matter what.
>>529801718Because we are status niggers that only used each other for selfish gain
>>529805641>Why do you think women, on an individual basis, get so uncomfortable when men gather in groups that they seek to infiltrate those spaces and destroy them?underrated observation, i work retailand females almost instinctually make trivial requests to break male conversationi have had this scenario repeat time and time againme and a male coworker are deep in conversationand a woman hurries over to break it up with a trivial or manufactured questionyour post is so fucking real
As long as there are cuck men who pride themselves on their ability to jump through hoops, this paradise will elude us.
>>529805743Even if you'd gain even more as an individual by working together with others?That's what simps don't get. By revoking women's rights and imposing cultural restrictions on their sovereignty they are making it easier to get themselves women.The current system is fucking them just as hard. And I think some of those guys on the left are starting to realize that.
>>529805641Look, bro. Maybe I'm too fucking blackpilled. But all your thread seems pie in the sky. "Oh, if only we (everybody else) could act this way, then all our problems would be solved". Yeah? But other people won't act this way. Every fucking problem could be solved if everyone else acted this or that way. If everybody went Kristallnacht the jew problem would be over. But everybody won't. The problem is not how we should act, but how to get people to actually act like that. And that's unsolveable, imho.
>>529801718What we need is complete and total male separatism. We need (for the sake of human civilization) to eliminate the female half of humanity. I don't think males will act as a collective until there is a clear alternative reproductive path for them that doesn't involve females. Sexbots and artificial wombs.
>>529806219We're /pol/, bro.We've been ranting about the jews before some people have even SEEN the internet, and now look what's going on outside.People are literally parroting /pol/ talking points circa 10 years ago.People are literally calling themselves goyim.If /pol/ can do that just by memeing it into existence, what else can we do?How else can we change the world using our little internet hate machine?Meme magic is POWERFUL, and we shitposters are master meme magicians.
>>529801718The reason is there's too many weak faggots unable to master their sexual energy and harness it instead of being harnessed by it. This is what separates the men from the boys and is also the pathway towards all higher pursuits on a spiritual/social/political level.
>>529806541>look what's going on outside.I see it. It's not victory, bro. Top kikes see lower kikes as subhuman goyim, so if we die for or against (lower) Israel it's the same shit for them. I'm convinced they're going to let our bloodlust kill lower kikes, then they'll come out "okay, you had your fun, you killed the bad guys, now let's get the economy back on track" and great reset.I'm fucking blackpilled, bro. I hope I'm wrong and you can fix the world.
>>529806687I agree with you. Mastering your mind and energy is important.But that doesn't change the fact that there are insane women who refuse to be accountable and seek to destroy mens souls.>>529806789Never black pill. Progress is always slow and stedy until it's not.Plus the Epstein files made SURE that higher kikes can't scapegoat lower ones.We're nearing the endgame for the jews. But even jews are just the tip of the iceberg.
>>529806219>>529806541In order for their to be any collective male action, we need to provide some kind of alternative. We can't just say>don't show up to work and ignore society until women lose their rightsIts a dumb af approach. You need to work within the system's incentive structure to create alternatives.I'll give you the example of my personal experience.>khhv incel>31 yo currently>get blackpilled at 23>be depressed for 5 years since I have no family in the future after mine dies>begin to realize that there are viable alternatives to women and marriage>stacking money>get into sexdolls and AI gfs>start researching surrogacy>decide how the next 20 years of my life will goMy plan is to be a single dad via surrogate by around 40 years old. I ready have $150k in the bank, and am working towards where I have a decent cushion to not work for 5 to 10 years amd take care of and pay for my son.This is something I wish I knew about when I was 20. I wouldn't have wasted so much time chasing something I could never have.
>>529801718Because significantly more than half of all men are cucks and simps.
>>529802535Unfortunately, "the government" is the collective you're looking for. The issue is that a hundred years ago (give or take) men who became weak from good times allowed that collective to contract cancer (actually, it may literally be toxoplasmosis) by letting women into it. Since then, we've been systematically dismantled as men until we became what we are now. It may in fact be irreversible, but something like you've suggested could correct it. You cannot change the laws as others have suggested, because the corruption in the system will never vote for its own destruction. Men will have to dig out the very foundation of society, and there's no telling what gets rebuilt afterwards. This is why social technologies are cost-prohibitive to recompute
>>529807427The alternative is showing what sexual dynamics we're 100+ years ago. We are currently living in the darkest timeline, sexually speaking.Unironically "this is what they took from you" is a great start.
>>529807427Man, this bad billy can fit so much *misery* in it!
>>529801718Fuck you, you should consider killing yourself in a suicide pod.It suits you to be a Canadian to be this retarded. You can't get them to our side through compassion. They are this way because of their genetics, because political views are downstream from personality, which is downstream from genetics, with almost zero impact from the environment (brainwashing).Pic related is you.For a few anons here who want to know the answer should educate themselves on behavioral genetics and overall HBD sphere. It used to be that anyone denying HBD was brutally mocked here into oblivion.https://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/
>>529801718its kind of impressive how women can do that. I mean they hate each other on the personal level, but they are all willing to be a hive mind about certain things if it benefits their entire group
>>529807010>Epstein files>higher kikesI meant the ones above that shit, pulling those strings.>>529807664Dunno if you mistook me, bro, but I'm not the one looking for some collective. I'm the one advocating what you say of digging out the foundation and letting it all fucking rot.Anyway, frens. Good night ot you all. I hope we win.
>>529808060>Pic related>Is there a crime gene?>Instead of looking for genetics and crime statistics, let's ask the fucking democratic poll, because consensus trumps truth in this female brained worldThat shit is so damn completely retarded.Didn't read your post, btw.
>>529807675>the alternative is showing what sexual dynamics were 100+ years agoIts obviously clear that you don't understand how we got here. We got here because technology and industry devalued male labor and sexual value. In short, unless you want to live like the Amish (and get btfo'd by a technological power), going back isn't a real option. Unironically, surrogacy is actually more in line with medieval and earlier structures. For most of human history post agriculture, men bought their wives, similar to how one would buy livestock.It was only until early modernity that romance and love played a larger role in the mating process.I don't want to go back. We need to go forward, to a world free of the cancer that is women.
>>529808327You are a low IQ brown subhuman. The world doesn't need you.
>>529801718HIGHLY relevant to this thread. Listen to the whole thing. It makes so much sense politically.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDsKuR7rL8
>>529808629>giving views to a womanWe don't need to listen to women.
>>529808739Nah, its actually a girl reacting to a male psychologist. But ya, thanks for judging a book by its cover.
what!? are you gay!?
>>529805268Disgusting faggotLike an animal You’ll suck a dick and sacrifice babies to moloch to get a wife
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>>529808462And in order to be able to buy women like livestock they need to lose their political rights.I don't agree that women need to be destroyed. Women are like pets, really. They become what they are trained to become. it's just that they are currently trained wrong, as some sort of cruel joke.
>>529809145Very based. They need to be broke, It needs to be legal to discriminate against them and social safety nets for them need to be removed
>>529805268If youll really do anything, then do what the OP is saying and youll get one. That was the initial pact of civilization, that if everyone works together then everyone can get pussy/a wife. Trying to do stuff on your own only works for pre-civilization cavemen chads who had harems of 16 women, while 15 betas (you) got none.
>>529802976>Why even let it get to that point?Unless you can roll back feminism and make women property again (which is impossible as long as traitor simps undermine everyone else) there is no preserving what we have. This is the equivalent of sweeping the table clean and starting again. >>529803483What bothers me is that crap women raise crap sons who marry crap women and raise more crap kids. That said, birth control is widespread and the undesirable foids are its primary users, so hopefully they will sterilize themselves out of existence.
>>529806789You ain't wrong. We're a paleolithic people with medieval institutions and godlike technology. There is no chance we don't destroy ourselves in the end. We're a dead species with basically no genetic variance, we stopped evolving a long time ago.
>>529808812Again, nothing she is saying hasn't already been said by a man, usually with a better understanding.
>>529809459Oh? Tell me more. Tell me some particulars.
>>529801718Men don't have a collective interest in the same way women do. On top of being measurably less diverse in personality and intelligence, women are generally incompetent and weak and I don't even mean that disparagingly. They're minmaxed to uselessness outside a very specific niche, and that's just a fact. They cannot survive without PROACTIVE support from a man or some system of power, so they collectivize to grant themselves stability. Men are built to venture out into the world and get shit done. We can cooperate, sure, but we don't have the same uniformity that women do in their vulnerability.
>>529809145I am not suggesting that we should be able to buy women like livestock you fool. I'm suggesting that heirs are something that should be able to be bought. The was the whole point of having a wife. It was to have children.Women have always worked for profit, and the idea that they didn't was feminist propaganda. The problem is not women working. The problem is the devaluation of male labor thanks to industrialization. The way you fix this is by industrializing sex and childbirth, the two things females have a monopoly on. You need sexbots and artificial wombs.
>>529809570Start with old MGTOWs like Stardusk (his channel got banned iirc), Spetznaz and Barbarosa, and then move on to blackpillers like FaceandLMS, Wheat Waffles, and Rehab Room.
>>529810170Nice obfuscation.You obviously aren't interested so fuck off already.
>>529810377Get the fuck outta this thread foid.
>>529809940>You need sexbots and artificial wombsOr homunculi. Genetically engineered humansRobotics, cloning and genetic engineering will bring back slavery though. Both male and female.Shit, there really isn't a way out of this, is there?it's like being led through a causal funnel into the proverbial slaughterhouse.
>>529810436OH, so now i'm a foid? LOLOLYa, you really aren't paying attention at all.You just wanna spit your shit but not listen to anyone else, otherwise you throw them into a box and throw a label on them.
>>529810436Ignore the memeflag. It's the same trannyposter from the previous thread.
>>529801718> MGTOW is just the start. Men need to ACTIVELY fight for their collective interests.That implies MGTOW is even a success to begin with. It’s a catastrophic failure and a majority of its base are middle aged divorcees who turn all “blue pilled” the moment they get a compliment from a SEAmonkey. MGTOW’s biggest problems were >not doing enough to lift other men up >having a high buy in (it’s telling most of them weren’t incels but bitter old men)>didn’t do shit about Andrew Tate or the wider gynocentricism in the manosphere, refusing to go even evolve past thatThere is room in the future for a wider anti gynocentric or separatist movement, but it’s not gonna be born from begging the government for help or the manosphere.
