Literally BILLIONS of male chicks are killed this way every year.An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proof https://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
>>529914880
THIS is what chicken wings are for.
dammit now I want some chicken nuggets
Abortion is still legal, common, easy and cheap in all fifty states for the mother multiple months into pregnancy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg8B9D8fjFI
>>529914880made this meme years ago
>>529915225But republicans are worse on this issue!>>529915129They are pro life and kill abortion abolitionist bills.
>>529914880This thing could solve the refugee crisis
Egg laying hens arguably have it worse
>>529914880Ok but cant they kill them a little cheaper? My chicken burgers have lik 4x'd in price from 10 years ago
>>529915129Her body her choice chud
>>529914880why did this make me hard?
>>529914880Can we copy that plan and use it on the jews and their supporters?It looks so much more efficient than gas.
>>529915446Responsibility argument debunks this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9o The earliest case for which I believe the precautionary principle should hold was around 43-45 days. Which comes out to be 6.1-6.4 weeks.The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.It's hard to say what the levels of sentience equate to at each week. But I wouldn't not assume this is a miniscule amount of sentience. Many EEG brain patterns observed in fetal brains as early as 6.1-6.4 weeks ( high voltageslow waves with superimposed fast activity) are comparable to mature birds, mature frogs, mature rabbits and the mature marmot. We can even observe sleep spindles in the fetal brain this early.Does this prove the same degree of sentience? No. Does this give us reason to take the precautionary principle with respect to this degree of sentience? Yes
>>529915397What’s the most painful thing that ever happened to you? Seriously take a moment and contemplate it—try, in as much detail as you can, to remember what it was like. Maybe, for many of you it was childbirth—an experience which, when it takes place without anesthesia, is temporarily completely debilitating. Nothing other than the pain occupies the mind of the sufferer.Perhaps it was getting a tattoo. Someone on Quora summarized the pain of getting a tattoo in the following way:They hurt.There are between one and 20 needles being poked through your skin hundreds of thousands of time in a single session. The number of needles will determine the type and intensity of pain. So expect it. The real question is how much will it hurt.I’ve been quite lucky and never experienced any particularly severe pain. I can remember quite a few times I’ve had pretty intense pain—barely eating for two days, having a doctor press down on my infected finger until it popped when I was ~8, having a very severe stomach ache, falling out of a treehouse (though remaining in the tree) and banging my chin on the side of it—but nothing has been that bad. I’d guess the worst experience of my life is a lot less painful than a wrist tattoo.The most painful experience that most of us have ever had is classified as disabling pain. This is the sort of pain that’s bad enough that during it you can’t enjoy doing anything else—you can’t, for instance, enjoy a game of chess while giving birth—and that makes it impossible to focus on anything other than the pain. Examples of this kind of pain include a very painful fall, breaking a bone, burning yourself, giving birth, severe dog bites, getting a tattoo, kidney stones, and hemorrhoids.
>>529915735While we often forget about these later, when they’re happening, they feel like the most significant thing in the world. They’re extremely bad—if you offered me $1,000 to get severely bitten by a dog, its teeth ripping off a chunk of my flesh, or have needles pierce my skin hundreds of times, I wouldn’t take the deal. Certainly I wouldn’t undergo childbirth for 1,000 dollars—especially if it was without anestheticSadly, on average, the animals that we eat endure hundreds of hours of this kind of debilitating agony over the course of their life. They endure somewhere on the order of an hour a day of this pain.I’ll just discuss one such case—the case of the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/ Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):Bone fractures. The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times. In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a week.
>>529915805Often the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agonyInjurious pecking. In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest—about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act. For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”Whenever you purchase a few cartons of eggs, you are consigning a chicken to living in these horrifying, excruciating conditions.
>>529915877Before you next purchase eggs—or chicken, or most any other animal product, though eggs are likely the worst—remember what the worst experience of your life is like, and vividly consider the fact that your purchase will likely cause others to endure many hours of an experience just as bad.Tragically, the true scenario is much worse than that. Even worse than these scenarios of intense yet bearable pain are experiences that the authors of the report call excruciating pain. This is the sort of pain experienced when a person is brutally tortured or slowly eaten alive or burned to death for minutes; the sorts of pain that, if you’re really brave, you can read about in some detail here. They’re horrible enough to take on an almost qualitatively different dimension—something most of us wouldn’t trade for many decades of happy life. This kind of pain is literally inconceivable—it’s so bad that many people who experience it attempt suicide. A hen might experience this right as she’s being trampled and pecked to death.Hens experience, on average, about two and a half minutes of this horrifying agony. The hundreds of hens that the average person eats over the course of their life (and yes, your consumption of eggs does cause more hens to be brought into existence, mistreated, and killed) mean that the average person is probably causing several hours of this unfathomable agony—the sort of agony one experiences in the minutes that they die from burning, boiling, being eaten alive, or suffocating to death; the kind of agony worse than being mauled by a dog, worse than childbirth, worse by orders of magnitude than anything you’ve ever experienced. The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating.The average meat eater causes hours of that
>>529914880I don't care. I'm going to enjoy some chicken tendies. The fact of the matter is that human beings eat animals. I don't really care if there is a culling of excess animals. We really should be extending that attitude towards browns as well rather than trying to get caught up with this retard Vegan Jewish morality bait. >>529914962Chickens can actually fly up trees to get away from predators. The wings themselves are best for broths however.
Fag or roastie?
>>529916043This is why factory farming is such a great moral emergency. It’s the cause of agony beyond what we could hope to imagine. Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom. It’s not just egg-laying hens that experience this; it’s ubiquitous in the entire factory farming industryA single broiler chicken experiences fifty hours of [disabiling] pain during their lifespan, which lasts 4-6 weeks. There are 69 billion broilers slaughtered each year. That is so many hours of pain that if you divided those hours among humanity, each human would experience about 400 hours (2.5 weeks) of disabling pain every year. Can you imagine if instead of getting, say, your regular fortnight vacation from work or study, you experienced disabling-level pain for a whole 2.5 weeks? And if every human on the planet - me, you, my friends and family and colleagues and the people living in every single country - had that same experience every year? How hard would I work in order to avert suffering that urgent?Factory farming is probably responsible for more agony than has ever existed in human history—especially agony of the most intense kind. This massive quantity of agony exists because consumers pay for it. Fortunately, we can do better. There are highly effective organizations working to reduce the extent of animal mistreatment in factory farms, which save around 18 animals from a cruel fate for every dollar they’re given. Additionally, if you’re horrified by this conduct, you can stop paying for it and go vegan.
>>529914880Its sinful. God wanted his animals to be treated with respect
>>529915644Abortion up to the 303 trimester is justified for all browns. Abortion is also disproportionately BASED.
>>529915328Lel this dude has a huge dick and his comment sections are full of girls and fags lusting over his bulge
>>529916179https://christspiracy.com/Genesis 9:9-10 (In your preferred KJV) "And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."God established a covenant not only with humans, but with every beast of the earth as well.>There isn't anything in that bible that suggests beasts have any kind of preeminenceEven in the KJV, it says, as I just quoted, "yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast." And notably in the Hebrew the word translated "breath," ruach, is the same word translated "spirit," in the verse under discussion. Man and beast all have one spirit.
>>529916377>no beast having a soulThe main Hebrew word usually translated as soul is nephesh, which is applied to humans and animals. It used of animals before humans in Genesis.>No beast prayingJob 38:41 "Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?"Psalm 104:27 "27"All creatures look to you to give them their food at the proper time.">no beast being promised anythingIsaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the Lord.I will say that the Abrahamic religions are, on the whole, very human-centric religions with limited concern for animals, and that's one of the things that makes me pretty confident that they're wholly human inventions, but if you're willing to look, you can certainly find that animals aren't wholly excluded or relegated to being just props.Romans 8:19-23"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God, for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its enslavement to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning together as it suffers together the pains of labor, and not only the creation, but we ourselves..." And word translated creation can mean creature as well. It includes all living things.
>>529916462Oh, there's also ye olde talking donkey story, which as silly as it may be does attribute obvious intelligence to an animal when given the power to speak.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2022%3A21-39&version=NRSVUEThen the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have made a fool of me! I wish I had a sword in my hand! I would kill you right now!” But the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey, which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I been in the habit of treating you this way?” And he said, “No.”There's also 1 Kings 17, where God says to Elijah, "You shall drink from the wadi, and I have commanded the ravens to feed you there.” and the Hebrew word used for God commanding the ravens is the same word used many times for God commanding humans to do things throughout the Tanakh, including God's command to a widow just a few verses later.https://biblehub.com/hebrew/tzivviti_6680.htm
>>529916505>This has nothing to do with a spiritual connection with GodBreath and spirit are the same word in the Hebrew, so it's up to the translators to make the distinction.>Not in the kjv, none of my business.I guess no one correctly understood God until the KJV was written, though the KJV translators themselves were under no illusions about being divinely inspired. https://dbts.edu/2012/04/09/the-embarrassing-preface-to-the-king-james-version/>That's not praying for God's sake, that's a reference to ravens croaking in distress for lack of food and God being mindful of that.>Again, that's called figure of speech, and expectation wouldn't be the same as prayer anyways.Who are you to tell the writers what they mean?>That's not a promise to beasts, that's a promise to man concerning beasts. Come on now.I wouldn't have expected to find a direct promise to animals in a book written for humans, but to my surprised I did above, in Genesis 9:9-10, where God explicitly establishes a covenenant not only with humans but with every beast of the earth, and he promises to them as well as to humans never to flood the earth again.
animal eating and using must be eradicated, it's a sickness that doesn't deserve to exist
>>529916571based>>529916562Another instance of God making (promising to make) a covenant with animals is in Hosea 2:18. "And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely."
>>529916164>Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom.Amounts that mean nothing. Vegans and their "Hey goy, the agony index is at 872 gorillion! That's bad, it needs to be zero!"... I don't care faggot. I will never care. Vegetarian Jesus won't send me to Onions Heaven if it does to zero. It doesn't matter a little, and I don't have empathy for my food because I'm not mentally ill like you.
>>529914880Honestly it's probably pretty fast. Graphic. But i don't see suffering.
>>529916719Not having any empathy for animals is actually a sign of mental illness. You have it backwards
>>529914880ok don't eat chicken then. I will, because it's yummy and good for me.
>>529914880As an owner of chickens, I agree that the factory farming of chickens is an evil that God will call people to answer for on Judgment Day.
>>529916792What about time dilation? When suffering it feels like time is slow and when you are having a good time it “flys”The suffering is the female hens, the males can’t lay eggs. Over 98% of eggs in the USA come from factory farms and battery cages
>>529914880I don’t have the privilege of giving a shit. Enjoy your wealth
>>529914880They die pretty much instantly. Whats so bad about that?
>>529916801>Not having any empathy for animals is actually a sign of mental illness.Empathy is for people. Chickens aren't people. It's a sign of psychological stability and mental health.When you have empathy for random non-human things, it either means you are a very young child (toddler really), or a thoroughly faggotized nigger troon. You can't be saved, and you're a danger to other people. Later this year, my two children are going to help me slaughter a hog and cut it into bacon and hams and pork chops. You'll never have any children to teach your faggotry to.
>>529916801Not responding to your concern trolling propaganda is a sign of a well adjusted individual. Your problem is with corporate entities and regulators but your impotence forces you to heckle people who can’t afford to replace the caloric intake from cheap chicken with literal pounds of vegetables and fruits. Fuck you and people like you
>>529917105Did two non “people” give birth to an individual who qualifies as a “people” and would it have been moral for this one individual “people” to have killed and eaten his or her parents?
I will continue to eat animals. I care more about my well being than some animal lol. You need to eat animals since plants lack over 15 micro-nutrients.____ in all fields
I had a cock that attacked my LSGD. He was confused because his natural instinct is to protect them chimkens. So I had to grab it by the neck and put it a pen. I gave it another chance to not be a dick but he attacked my LSGD again. So I ate him. Sucks because he was a cool cock but got too cocky.
>>529915528because you're an embarrassing faggot
>>529917179poor people eat grains not meat or fruit. Meat eaters are wealthy and privileged >>529917315No sv3rige / goatis they don’t lack 15 nutrients plus many of those can be produced by your own body or are non essential for humans.
>>529914880They know those chickens can breed and make more eggs, right?
>>529917179>>529917105https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTraitThis dialogue tree has been used by vegans many times in live debates, (feel free to comment on one of their videos, email them, message them on Instagram etc to challenge them to a debate on NTT )https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGT6ox0Y-Mhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJR5vsrkr9Ahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLjgo2TfcMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4&pp=ygUjRHIgQXZpIGRlYmF0ZSB2ZWdhbiBuYW1lIHRoZSB0cmFpdCA%3DIf someone says it's okay to kill a animal and turn them into a burger but not okay to do that to a human and the reason they give is that animals can't reason but humans can they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan. Or name another trait(s)
>>529915528Maybe you want to put your cock on the meat grinder, who knows.
>>529917346>I had a permanently severely mentally handicapped human toddler that attacked my other permanently severely mentally handicapped human children. He was confused because his natural instinct is to protect his siblings. So I had to grab it by the neck and put it a pen. I gave it another chance to not be a dick but he attacked my other kids again . So I ate him. Sucks because he was a cool kid but got too cocky.
>>529916377You have missed many points.Doing evil and calling it good is not good.That is what you are engaged in.You don't have to be an edgelord vegan to believe that our current method of raising animals for sale as food is wrong.You do have to be an edgelord vegan to try to use the Bible you don't believe to try to manipulate others into being vegan.>>529917287
>>529914880>An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofDog food has value too anon
>>529917776It's not that deep.I've had cool cocks before that I've kept and have died of old age. At the end of the day I have chickens, the males are raised for their meat, and the females get to lay their eggs until they die of old age. I've kept a few cocks who've been pretty cool dudes. Sorry if this upsets you but this is just my way of life.
>>529918016>what is an internal critique
>>529918132>my way of life
>>529918326So should we hunt all predator animals that kill other animals? They're obviously hurting the heckin' other animals so they can eat!
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>>529915528edgelording and faux psychopathy but actually you're just a faggot
>>529918436we should extinguish all life no life = no suffering
>>529916213>>529918436In some cases yes in many cases no because hunting predators into extinction can lead to ecological collapse which is a greater rights violation https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvQRwen8ag
>>529914880So are you saying that we should prevent new chicks from being born to avoid the suffering that leads to death? Interesting. Can we apply this to humans too?
>>529917287>Did two non “people” give birth to an individual who qualifies as a “people” and would it have been moral for this one individual “people” to have killed and eaten his or her parents?Who cares? If that did happen, it was how many millions of years ago? No one cares about your philosophical retardation. The agony, if it even exists, means nothing to me. Nor should it. That agony existing doesn't change my life or yours at all. >>529917555>If someone says it's okay to kill a animal and turn them into a burger but not okay to do that to a human and the reason they give is that animals can't reasonI've never said that. The reason that it is not ok to do it to a human is that the human is human. It's useful to me to treat humans as special, because they treat me as special too. It is not useful to me to treat polar bears as human, the bear won't return the favor. Nor will a chicken.Even small children know this intuitively. You're pants-on-head retarded.
>>529918557Even if most lives today are mostly bad we should still probably not destroy all life on earth today because in the future life will probably be better https://benthams.substack.com/p/longtermism-is-surprisingly-obvious
>23 posts by this IDHoly shit anon people aren't going to forget about that Marine who fought cops and disowned Israel just go to fucking sleep.
>>529914880roosters are fuckers and pieces of shitgood riddance
>>529917776Based. Retarded people should all be aborted. >>529914880>>529914922cool
>>529914880unnecessary industrial slaughter is bad but that's nature for you
>>529915225That’s actually republicans and MIGA retards sending Americans to die
>>529918455Thats more disturbing than OPs chicken grinder
>>529918701>Who cares? If that did happen, it was how many millions of years ago? No one cares about your philosophical retardation.Anti veganism = anti empiricism >that. The reason that it is not ok to do it to a human is that the human is human.Define human
>>529918757>Even if most lives today are mostly bad we should still probably not destroy all life on earth today because in the future life will probably be betterWoke faggots like you have probably already set the human species on a path to extinction. Life won't be better, because there won't be any human life at all.
>>529918966>Anti veganism = anti empiricismWhat empiricism? You want to imagine something happened in prehistory, and that if it did happen that it justifies your faggotry. That's not what empiricism means dumbass.>Define humanHomo sapiens. There exist simple, even cheap, tests which will conclusively show an animal is human or not human. It's really fucking simple, you slack-jawed nigger.
>>529918701>Who cares? If that did happen, it was how many hours ago? No one cares about your philosophical retardation. Black peoples agony, if it even exists, means nothing to me. Nor should it. That agony existing doesn't change my life or yours at all. I’m white >I've never said that. The reason that it is not ok to do it to a white person is that the white person is white. It's useful to me to treat whites as special, because they treat me as special too. It is not useful to me to treat blacks as whites, the black won't return the favor. Nor will a Hispanic.>Even small white children know this intuitively. You're pants-on-head retarded.
>>529918966>Define humanA featherless biped
>>529919126You didn’t answer the evolution question probably because you knew exactly where it leads.>Homo sapiens. There exist simple, even cheap, tests which will conclusively show an animal is human or not human. It's really fucking simple, you slack-jawed nigger.Is it moral to torture the first “homo sapien” ‘s parents for a sandwich?
>>529919143he's right thomorality is based on the social realities of being a human, humans which cannot survive as an individualit does not include animals, though i suppose the environment in general should be preserved to some degree for our use
>>529919291two feet and no feathers. Here’s your human
>>529919143>comparing black people to chickenslol, based
>>529919499behold a man!!!
>>529914880Pathetic really. Rooster meat is actually edible, all of this waste just because consooomers are afraid to deviate from the norm and try something new.>veganretard
>>529919617>>529919291
>>529919143Extremely based. Treating blacks as human has been a disaster.
>>529919416>though i suppose the environment in general should be preserved to some degree for our useAgreed. I'd even be against someone wiping out an endangered species... those might be useful in the future. But to worry about "chickens in agony" is pure faggotry.>>529919340>Is it moral to torture the first “homo sapien” ‘s parents for a sandwich?If you can find a time machine to do it with, then it would matter. And I wouldn't go care. Carve them up into a thanksgiving turkey.Ask a practical question, faggot. One where the answer can actually mean something.
>>529916043If you’re going to kill an animal for meat, sure chickens are preferable to cows or pigs or bison if you’re measuring intelligence and the capacity for pain, no?
>>529914880Quick question, what does Basedbeans do to the environment and the soil they grow up in?
>>529919416Morality is not just a social technology even if you’re a moral realist https://benthams.substack.com/p/morality-isnt-a-social-technologythis doesn’t tell us whether the moral beliefs we should adopt are those that we evolved to adopt. Now I’m well aware that moral anti-realists deny there are such things as stance-independent reasons. They hold that morality is a matter of mere preference—there aren’t reasons to hold moral beliefs that don’t depend ultimately on one’s own judgment.But if this is right, then the morality we should adopt is a function of our judgments. If so, why the hell should anyone care about the social function of morality? Suppose I’m a utilitarian anti-realist. I recognize that my set of moral beliefs is out of accordance with those of society. But why should I care? I have many aesthetic evaluations that are out of accordance with society.
>>529915644avi is a jewish supremacist twitter kike
>>529915528Probably because you're not White. Whites are the only race to give a shit about animals.
>>529919752Of course not, a cow has over half a million calories and a chicken has less than like 10k and chickens are not even that much less capable of suffering. Chicken is one of the most evil animal products
>>529914880Seems like a big waste. Let them scratch around in a field for a year and you have a full size chicken to eat.
>>529919910sure his views on Israel are not great and he’s a moral anti realist but he’s still vegan, pro life / pro sentient, anti infant circumcision, etc
>>529919836>They hold that morality is a matter of mere preference—there aren’t reasons to hold moral beliefs that don’t depend ultimately on one’s own judgment.Morality is, in general, useful. None of us want to be on the run constantly from other humans that are trying to murder us for shits and giggles. We can go to the black side of town if we want that. By acting as if morals are important, it guarantees that (mostly) other people will do the same, and we are all safer for it. More prosperous for it. More comfortable for it. Extending these same protections to chickens does not make us safer, more prosperous, or more comfortable. Chickens are food.
>>529914880Where did you think chicken nuggets come from?
>>529919746>trolly problems don’t matter unless you can actually find people tied to two sets of tracks
>>529919691lol, munkey
>>529914880BUMP. It is INSANE this is allowed. One of the big reasons I will never eat factory farmed meat or dairy no matter what. Anyone who thinks this is what God intended for his creation needs to realize what a faggoted retard they've become and how far their soul has fallen and their mind has become useless.
>>529920066>Extending these same protections to chickens does not make us safer, more prosperous, or more comfortable. Chickens are food.I think it does because people who work in slaughterhouses have higher rates of violent crime, domestic violence, alcoholism, PTSD, etcBut again if it’s just “only grant rights if it benefits me” then you can just say >Extending these same protections to humans with Down syndrome does not make non Down syndrome individuals safer, more prosperous, or more comfortable. Individuals with down syndrome are fertilizer or lab rats.
Males are not needed anymore we should all kill ourselves and let women rule the world
>>529919836>this doesn’t tell us whether the moral beliefs we should adopt are those that we evolved to adoptMorality is a spook. >>529920355>Extending these same protections to humans with Down syndrome does not make non Down syndrome individuals safer, more prosperous, or more comfortable. Individuals with down syndrome are fertilizer or lab rats. Based.
>>529916164>fentanyl floyd
>>529920048pro life only when it comes to kikesanti life when it comes to brown palestinian children
>>529920797Yes Steven crowder tested the knee on neck theory live https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5qHLXbVDnkc
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>>529920355>I think it does because people who work in slaughterhouses have higher rates of violent crime, domestic violence, alcoholism, PTSD,Even if this were true, prove that it's not because the crippling repetitive stress injuries, poverty wages, or underclass culture.The girl I hope my boy marries helps her mama slaughter chickens dozens of times per year. Cute, smart, decent and loving people, their family.
>>529921071>Even if this were true, prove that it's not because the crippling repetitive stress injuries, poverty wages, or underclass culture.Studies show they have higher rates of crime, addiction, etc than other nearby low wage manual laborers. >The girl I hope my boy marries helps her mama slaughter jews dozens of times per year. Cute, smart, decent and loving people, their family.And no this isn’t an exaggeration, most national socialists who executed civilians were not psychopaths or mentally ill they were just following orders The Milgram experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment found that people were, in general, willing to deliver powerful and potentially lethal electric shocks because an authoritative man in a white lab coat said so. This was despite hearing the person in question screaming, begging to be released, and describing heart troubles from the powerful electric shocks. The screaming began at 150 volts. 65% of people continued all the way to 450 volts. At 330 volts, the participant became despondent and stopped making any sound.In the original experiment, people could hear the screams. What about when they couldn’t hear or see the man? Basically 100% of people https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/culture-of-shock/ went along with it then. So people feeling disturbed by hearing screams weighs on people’s conscience way more than the abstract knowledge that they’re torturing someone, which basically never weighs on a person’s conscience enough to get them to awkwardly disobey a guy in a lab coat.Now you might wonder: did the Milgram experiment replicate? A lot of the psychology experiments like the Stanford Prison experiment didn’t. Unfortunately, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Replications it replicated https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-64-1-1.pdf repeatedly (though I haven’t seen replication of the 100% statistic).
>>529921333Now, some people have been suspicious that people in the experiment really knew what was happening. Often, when questioned after the fact, they gave inconsistent answers. But given how much distress they displayed, https://shs.hal.science/halshs-04728901v1/document it seems very likely that they thought the experiment being genuine was at least a real possibility. So people were willing to seriously risk torturing someone because they were instructed to by authority. Also, the best explanation of the inconsistent results is that people were trying to rationalize bad behavior. You can’t really describe your own behavior as “I tortured someone, because it would have been awkward to stop.” So you have to say you knew it was a ruse.Some people try to give reasonable explanations of why people acted that way. Rutger Bregman (who is great, in general) in his book Humankind notes that when people were asked why they kept up the shocks, they gave prosocial explanations. One of them explained that he wanted to advance science to help out his daughter who had cerebral palsy. Similarly, many displayed serious distress that they were hurting the man, even as they continued.I don’t find this a very impressive response. Of course, if you ask people why they did something bad, they will try to give nice-sounding reasons for it. They can’t very well say “I did it because I felt social pressure to continue hurting the screaming man.” The fact that they displayed distress shows just how strongly our moral judgments are influenced by social norms; even when we feel considerable distress, we keep doing the thing we know to be evil. Think about how little moral motivation we have when we don’t feel distress from hearing a tortured man screaming.
>>529921391Bregman also noted that people almost all stopped when instructed to do so in an overly bossy way. This is strong evidence for the social norms explanation. If people had moral motivation, the bossiness of the experimenter wouldn’t have affected their behavior more than the screams of the person ostensibly being tortured. In contrast, it isn’t surprising that people care less about impressing the scientist in a lab coat if he behaves boorishly.The reasonable takeaway from Milgram is that people are willing to do obviously horrible things if told to by someone authoritative, especially when stopping would be very awkward. This is also supported by the rest of the evidence.>Pushing an electrocution button to electrocute a human who likely consented to the experiment to be shocked is not evil, but refusing to ask if this person consented to the experiment is.The problem is they continued shocking the other person after they withdrew their consent
>>529914880Who cares, nigger? You think any animal "deserves" life?
>>529921668Yes
>>529921333>etc than other nearby low wage manual laborers.It's not normal manual labor. Few things compare to how physically difficult it is. You're in very cold refrigerated temperatures, you're doing fast repetitive motions that take an unusual amount of force for the speed at which they are to be performed, and after a few weeks or months but definitely after a few years it cripples your hands. Maybe construction work would be comparable, but at least that tends to pay much more, twice as much, give or take.>And no this isn’t an exaggeration, most national socialists who executed civilians were not psychopaths or mentally ill they were just following orders These two scenarios aren't comparable. Chickens aren't humans.> people could hear the screams. What about when they couldn’t hear or see the man? What if there are no screams? What if you're dumping cardboard into the shredder? Crazy people might think they hear the screams of the cardboard boxes and wish to rescue them, but they're just crazy people. Like you. You're mentally ill. No one cares about chickens.>Now you might wonder: did the Milgram experiment replicate? Bad methodology and not much else.
>>529921494>If people had moral motivation, the bossiness of the experimenter wouldn’t have affected their behavior more than the screams of the person ostensibly being torturedCorrect, people do not have moral motivation. Moral motivation is incoherent. Morality itself is just an evolutionary social tool to control people with fear and shame.
>>529921802>super intelligent aliens come to earth and factory farm and torture humans >These two scenarios aren't comparable. >humans aren't aliens.
>>529921802In Steven Pinker's The Better Angels of Our Nature Why Violence Has Declined Luria presented syllogisms like these:- "In the Far North, where there is snow, all bears are white. Novaya Zemlya is in the Far North. What color are the bears there?"Typical response: "I don't know. There are different sorts of bears." (When pressed: "I wasn't there, I can't say what bears there are there... If a person hasn't been there he can't say anything on the basis of words. If a man was 60 or 80 and had seen a white bear and told me about it, I could believe him."- "Precious metals do not rust. Gold is a precious metal. Does it rust?"Typical response: "It depends on what kind of gold it is. If it's real gold it doesn't rust, but if it's fake it does... If it's precious, it doesn't rust."- "There are no camels in Germany. The city of B is in Germany. Are there camels in B?"Typical response: "There probably aren't any in B... Perhaps there are. If it's a large city, there might be camels there." (When asked to deduce strictly from the premises: "If the city is a large one, perhaps there are camels there.")Pinker comments that these respondents were not intellectually deficient in practical terms they were intelligent within their lived experience but they resisted "the very idea of operating on abstract categories detached from the world, such as 'all bears in places with snow.'" He ties this to the Flynn effect:>The IQ of an average American in 1910... would be about 70 by today's standard... at the border of mental retardation... The difference lies mainly in abstract reasoning."
>>529922076I agree that most people don’t have much of it and I believe that’s often a moral failing on their part. Maybe you don’t believe in free will?
>>529920355>>529921071Again since you did not respond to it before > But again if it’s just “only grant rights if it benefits me” then you can just say>Extending these same protections to humans with Down syndrome does not make non Down syndrome individuals safer, more prosperous, or more comfortable. Individuals with down syndrome are fertilizer or lab rats.
>>5299217567.3 billion wild vertebrates killed per year in the U.S. from crop harvesting.~137 species go extinct per day due largely to habitat destruction due to agricultural expansion67–72 million birds die annually in the United States from pesticide poisoning.really people should just starve
>>529922519>I agree that most people don’t have much of it and I believe that’s often a moral failing on their partNo one has any of it. People are psychological egoists. Even if objective morality was real people would still need egoist reasons to act morally.
>>529922789>Again since you did not respond to it beforeHe's not responding because you aren't making a point. Getting rid of retards is based, racism is based. You are coming to /pol/ and acting like you're arguing with liberals. >but that same logic could mean not treating niggers and tards like humans! Yes, and?
>>529922812Most crops that are grown are fed to farm animals not humans. Over 8 billion chickens are killed every year in the USA That study is fake The 7.3 billion figure is not a verified fact it was always a back-of-the-envelope upper-bound extrapolation that the authors themselves called inflated and unreliable. No subsequent study has produced a more precise, widely accepted replacement; the data simply remains too sparse and variable. The paper actually weakens the “crop deaths disprove veganism” talking point rather than supporting it.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEu9B67MBI
>>529922994Not necessarily. You can’t just presuppose psychological egoism is true https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5OdTFF8gHII
>>529923277You’re mixing a few different issues and acting like that settles the debate.First, the “7.3 billion crop deaths” estimate was always presented as a **rough extrapolation**, not a precise count. But pointing out uncertainty doesn’t make the underlying point disappear: **industrial crop production does kill animals** through harvesting, tilling, pesticides, and habitat loss. That’s widely acknowledged in ecology and agriculture research.Second, the “most crops feed livestock” point actually **undermines your argument**, not mine. If large amounts of corn and onions are grown to feed farm animals, then the crop-related deaths from pesticides, harvesting, and habitat destruction are **part of animal agriculture’s footprint too**. You don’t get to count those deaths against plant-based diets while ignoring that livestock production drives a huge share of the cropping.Third, citing “8 billion chickens killed in the U.S.” doesn’t refute anything about crop deaths. It just shows that **both systems cause harm**, which is exactly why people debate which diets reduce overall impact.So the real question isn’t whether crop agriculture causes animal deaths (it clearly does). The question is **which food systems cause more total harm per calorie produced**. That’s where the evidence and life-cycle analyses actually matter.
>>529916062Wild junglefowl can do that, but domesticated chickens are bred for heavier muscles, so most of them can barely fly at all.
>>529914880You got the 10 hour version?
>>529914880Their meat isn't wasted right
>>529923615We feed this meat to the pigs sometimes horses. Horses don’t give a fuck so long as it provides them with their daily nutrients
>>529923436industrial crop production does kill humans through harvesting, tilling, accidental deaths, and traffic deaths transporting the crops. That’s widely acknowledged >part of animal agriculture’s footprint tooThis is nonsense and AI. If animal agriculture didn’t exist then there would be less plant agriculture and less crop deaths >>529917447 >>529923436>which food systems cause more total harm per calorie produced**Post proof more suffering, death or rights violations happen on an acre of wheat fields then on an acre of wild forest
>>529923819This is nonsense and AI’ isn’t a rebuttal, it’s just you announcing you ran out of arguments. Yes, if animal agriculture disappeared there would be fewer feed crops — that’s exactly why those crop deaths are tied to livestock production in the first place. Pretending they’re magically separate is like claiming the emissions from a power plant have nothing to do with the factory it powers. And your ‘prove more harm on an acre of wheat than a wild forest’ line is such an obvious dodge it’s almost impressive. Of course a wild forest causes less harm than farmland — it also produces zero food for humans, which means it’s not the comparison anyone is making. The actual comparison is between food systems, and if you have to pivot to ‘farming vs not farming at all’ to make your point work, that’s basically admitting you don’t have a real argument about the food systems themselves.
>>529923426Yes necessarily. Because even if you presuppose a particular objective morality is correct, it is not compulsive, you still have to choose to act morally. Which means you can choose to act immorally. Which means to act morally requires an extra-moral aspect of yourself that desires to be moral.
>>529923955It’s not obvious that more harm happens on an acre of forest then wheat fields. It’s very possible that turning an acre of forest into an acre of wheat fields leads to less suffering. But turning an acre of forest into a torture dungeon AKA factory farm will certainly cause that acre to have more suffering on it. If you reply to this with AI I will not reply back
>>529914880Chickens are less important than people. So much less important that 7 IQ points and an inch of height for a single person, gained by not being vegan, are worth infinite chicken holocausts. You on the other hand have admitted you would murder cattle ranchers. Your bullshit fake religion has no real logic to it. All of your logic is based on arbitrary assumed values and rules that have no objective basis. You have a false faith and its fruits are evident. Vegans have no birthrate. None. You are anti-human and anti-natalist. You want to starve, devolve, conquer, and destroy humanity. That’s it. You are a sad seething parasite cult that makes the shakers look relatively normal because at least they didnt have “vegan zoophiles” and 9000 trannies on their side.
>>529915805Posting cute Peta cats and carrying about the chickens killed after they are born.Where so you think your cat's dry pellets food is made from?Or do you believe I'd you feed your cat only vegetable will survive?95% of dry pellets cat and dog food is already vegetables , thr rest is what you see from OP's video.Without it all your cat's and soga will die from slowly malnutrition diseases.The problem is the amount of people on earth and capitalism.You dont like it, just dont have children! And the world will end along with capitalism.Simple!
>>529914880This policy of disposing of surplus males is what all these wars are about btw.
>>529923579I am pretty sure you can download it from free from their web site.Usually those vegan propaganda movies are free. They have to be seen from a lot of people.
>>529924152I'm not replying with ai. But your response was why too fast, you probably been using ai this whole time. You should know ai damages the environment and kills animals
>>529924152ASSUMED suffering has innate moral value because…?It’s not a fact, it’s a trap exploiting a detached judeo-christian value… coming from an atheist. >well would you like to suffer?Irrelevant, I am not a dumb animal. Animals in factory farms may not even suffer. They may only be occasionally cognizant of the fact that they merely exist. Humans are more important even if they did suffer. We have more of a right to fully develop, regardless of class (under veganism, ONLY THE RICH CAN ATTAIN ANYTHING RESEMBLING A COMPLETE DIET AND THEIR CHILDREN STILL NEED ANIMAL PRODUCTS - WHICH IS WHY THEY DONT HAVE ANY) than a fucking cow has to live. Behold I guarantee you this vegan faggots false faith will soon reveal itselfHe will posit a theoretical invasion by alien philosopher kings who only eat people who dont follow his specific form of “rational ethics” (which are wholly universal as if he believes in souls, but doesnt)
>>529923966>Because even if you presuppose a particular objective morality is correct, it is not compulsive, you still have to choose to act morally. Yes>Which means you can choose to act immorally. Yes>Which means to act morally requires an extra-moral aspect of yourself that desires to be moral.That’s just determinism with extra steps. My will doesn’t have to be caused or random my choice to be moral instead of immoral is a brute fact.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2dLyguPfh-chttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nh1Z3UTobrY
>>529914880Oh no you are killing them now instead of letting them live in their own feces for 2 months and then killing them.
>>529924354That guy is fucking with you. I've debated him before and he immediately started using AI.
>>529924163>Or do you believe I'd you feed your cat only vegetable will survive?Vegan cat food exists and contains vegan synthetic nutrients like taurine which are only found naturally in meat. No one think cats can survive on just vegetables and there’s plenty of examples of fully vegan cats (indoor no hunting either) who are healthy for years on a vegan diet
Factory farming is the greatest evil on the planet, it's pretty undeniable. I'm too weak to stop eating meat or hunt it myself, I'm just as fucking evil as everyone else, but goddamn it hurts to know. The casual cruelty of this world has convinced me that if hell exists, it's this place.
>>529924451Morality can not be a fact without consequence. There is no morality without consequence. Period. Choose. Metaphysics or survival. There is no such thing as being purely moral. Morality is always selfish, on some scale, and always tied to consequence. Yours is retarded and dysfunctional. That’s why you are perpetually dying out and constitute a parasite rather than an evolution. You die. You dont reproduce. You actively work against the evolutionary fitness of the rest of humanity by doing your best to make food production more expensive and propagandizing diets that can never, ever, not with a million supplements, be complete. By your fruits you are known.
You have to be Aryan to care about this. This is /pol/, where few Aryan can be found.
>>529914880If there is a hell, we are already living in it....
>>529924594You can only say that because no one gives a fuck if a cat misses its full potential and ends up smaller and dumber. Because it’s just an animal.Even with the best nutritionists behind them, a human can not fully develop from womb to adulthood without animal products. Synthetic nutrients are not just less bioavailable. Plant based foods actively prevent their utilization. Only the wealthiest vegans with the most free time can end up just an inch and a few IQ points short. Anyone else would end up like a pajeet.
>>529924451>That’s just determinism with extra steps. No, my argument is true regardless of whether or not free will exists. >My will doesn’t have to be caused or randomI didn't say it did, I'm saying your will is not morally motivated. >my choice to be moral instead of immoral is a brute fact Then you are agreeing with me that your choice to be moral is not morally motivated.
>>529924442Read the Cambridge declaration of consciousness.>We have more of a right to fully develop, regardless of class (under veganism, ONLY THE RICH CAN ATTAIN ANYTHING RESEMBLING A COMPLETE DIET AND THEIR CHILDREN STILL NEED ANIMAL PRODUCTS - WHICH IS WHY THEY DONT HAVE ANY) than a fucking cow has to live.This doesn’t even make much sense as veganism would reduce hunger and increase global food security. The meat industry is the one wasting resourcesNow watch him cite easily debunkable studies about how most of most animals feed is completely inedible to humans
>>529924640Why should the suffering of our brown lessers be considered if we're not expected to consider the pain of helpless creatures we breed and destroy in a metalcovered recreation of hell?
>>529924879It shouldn't
>>529915735>What’s the most painful thing that ever happened to you? Having to read your post and it doesn't have some satisfying conclusion or question.
>>529924772>Only the wealthiest vegans with the most free time can end up just an inch and a few IQ points short. Anyone else would end up like a pajeet.Source?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v90Q4civ_ts Vegan from conception and healthy
>>529914880>If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofI work for Scan as a butcher in one of the largest butchering facilities in the Nordics. So no shit bud. I am the direct cause of death for probably 110 to 140 animals each Monday-Friday between 08:00 and 16:00. Have been since 2013. And I hunt boar for the local farmers all year as a licensed commercial hunter.
>>529924816>read the arbitrary bullshitA philosopher theorized a cow might be conscious once?It dying to ensure my children fully develop still isn’t “evil”. Sorry. >WELL THE CORN IS… EDIBLEIf you want to be a stunted retard even as a millionaire with infinite time and money, yes, it will at least keep you alive. But human prosperity is worth more than how you ARBITRARILY CHOOSE to feel about fucking livestock. We bred these beasts to be contemptible and disgusting by default. If your lizard brain is being tickled you are broken. I look forward to your replacement by genuine, complete psychopaths who rape babies. Not because it would be good. But because the idea of it will never leave you. You do not prioritize your self and your own, but cattle and vermin birdsTherefore you will be as cattle to people who have the sense to put their interests first rather than moralizing about the spiritual value of assumed consciousness while trying not to explicitly join any religion (that would mean no longer stuffing your ass with dicks!)
>>529924778>Then you are agreeing with me that your choice to be moral is not morally motivated.That doesn’t follow I can choose not to steal simply because I value being moral more than being wealthy. That’s being morally motivated
>>529925089>The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness involved a prominent international group of cognitive neuroscientists, neuropharmacologists, neurophysiologists, neuroanatomists, and computational neuroscientists. These professionals gathered to assess the neurobiological aspects of conscious experience in both humans and non-human animals.
>>529921391>Rutger Bregman (who is great, in general)lmao no he isn't. >>529921391>But given how much distress they displayed, https://shs.hal.science/halshs-04728901v1/document it seems very likely that they thought the experiment being genuine was at least a real possibility. Very poor argument. People experience distress over movies which are fake too and they know to be fake.
>>529924879If there is a karmic balance, humanity will be in almost infinite debt. Animals do not know better, thats the difference. They are not part of this in an active role. How we treat them reflects upon us and our karmic balance. My heart sank when I saw that chicklet trying to balance itself. It realized what was awaiting it with the loud and bloodied machine of spinning death. Even creating such a vicious and evil tool is an immeasuarable act of evil.
>>529924879Because if you can’t empathize with a nigger you’re overwhelmingly likely to destroy your own people. This isn’t a choice. It’s a nature. Your empathy is a function, not a philosophy. Philosophies can be followed and disobeyed arbitrarily. Natural function is inevitable. You do not get a choice to not feel bad when el negro feels bad. It is like recoiling from the scent of feces. Instinct. You must, at least, want him to prosper and be happy in his own lands with his own people where he will never be unequal or a hated other even if all the worlds propaganda fails. Your empathetic function needs to be so sensitive, but also so limited, for civilization to arise and maintain itself.
>>529914880Wow! I... don't care at all!
>>529914880I’m still gonna eat it (the 6 eggs every morning) I know… UGH, I know… I’m just gonna keep eating them is all
>>529914880mmm chicken nuggets
>>529925161>I can choose not to steal simply because I value being moral more than being wealthy. That’s being morally motivatedNo, that's being egoistically motivated. If someone else chooses to steal because they value being wealthy over being moral, then the difference between you two is not the existence or knowledge of objective morality, it is your personal desire to be moral.
>>529925252I don't know how you can just watch this stuff and pretend it's cool and epic, how can you not want their suffering to stop? Holy hell this world is a nightmare within a nightmare within a nightmare.
>>529921494Milgram experiment and stanford prison experiment are both shams. Like the geneva convention, they exist to morally condemn something after the fact rather than some genuine attempt at truth seeking and understanding or advance the human condition.
>>529914880Billions of jeets should be slaughtered, but nothing is being done to them.
>>529925324>>529925343>>529925344Watch the movie Nefarious (2023). A demon lays out how humanity was warped into you guys.
>>529925089>A philosopher theorized permanently severely mentally handicapped humans might be conscious once?>It dying to ensure my children fully develop still isn’t “evil”. Sorry. I will still torture them to death with medical experiments to make new drugs to make my kids healthier >WELL THE CORN IS… EDIBLE>If you want to be a stunted retard even as a millionaire with infinite time and money, yes, it will at least keep you alive.>But non permanently severely mentally handicapped human prosperity is worth more than how you ARBITRARILY CHOOSE to feel about fucking permanently severely mentally handicapped humans. We bred these beasts to be contemptible and disgusting by default. If your lizard brain is being tickled you are broken. I look forward to your replacement by genuine, complete psychopaths who rape babies. Not because it would be good. But because the idea of it will never leave you.>You do not prioritize your self and your own non disabled fellow humans who can reason, but permanently severely mentally handicapped humans who will never be able to reason.>Therefore you will be as cattle to people who have the sense to put their interests first rather than moralizing about the spiritual value of assumed consciousness while trying not to explicitly join any religion (that would mean no longer stuffing your ass with dicks!)
>>529925261>Because if you can’t empathize with a nigger you’re overwhelmingly likely to destroy your own peopleWrong. Empathizing with niggers has led to the destruction of whites.
>>529925443I definitely will not check that out. Thanks for the rec.
>>529925261This isn’t true and slavery in the antebellum south proves it.Also you can say the same thing about fellow mammals instead of fellow humans
>>529925227And I do not care. It has no consequence. It has no moral weight. It is an idea to entertain, but it has no presence in reality. Empathy evolved or was created for the purpose of preserving our species. Not appeasing a mystical moral system with no consequences. You worship thought itself as a false god. I do not. Your god will neither punish nor reward, nor bless nor curse. Your god offers nothing but the false claim that atheism can also be a guiding moral force. I encourage you to see the truth. Without religion, the only guiding moral force is instinct. Abstract secular ethics can be denied outright because its basis is fundamentally irrational and immaterial with no faith to support it. There is no material reason for consciousness itself to give a thing moral value. Just a bunch of bullshit theatrics about love, beauty, and honor to pull to distract from the reality of choosing:CHILD REACH FULL SIZE AND INTELLECT AND ADULT MAINTAIN STRENGTH AND SHARP MINDORCOW GETS TO SHIT ON GRASS FOR SEVERAL MORE YEARS?>>529925252Karma is not real.
>>529925479Empathy is an instinctYou lack it if you can confidently make this false equivalence. >>529925485It hasn’t. If you really empathized with them you’d have sent them back home. Instead you kept them as cheap labor and sent grain but not knowledge or trade to africa to ensure a steady supply of cheap labor. Not empathizing with blacks, as jews are wont to, has destroyed the white race. For whites foolishly empathized with jews. >>529925621Most slave owners and slaver ships were jew owned. It’s their racial characteristic. The torah never shuts up about slavery being ok.
>>529925636Wrong. There is karma. What you fail to realize is that it accumulates infinitely. Your soul/energy never vanishes. Even if it comes out in a new form, your karmic balance always carries over.
>>529925636>God is dead>my kids sick>I want my kid to be as healthy as possible >im selfish >so im going to torture dozens of random children i dont care about much or at all in painful and deadly medical experiments to create a cure for my childs extremely rare condition
>>529914880More humane than living decades as a human male.
>>529914880>personal responsibility for actions of anothermiss me with that commie shit...so did you have a point or....
>>529925891Okay that made me laugh. LOL
>>529925261You keep equating massively scaled industrial suffering with the harvesting of any meat, when a hunted animal is typically nutritionally superior and more ethically harvested. The problem is a lack of natural balance that would reduce the suffering, but people like you insist your worthless brown children need to be fed on a diet of pain and should just endlessly expand for no benefit to anyone including themselves. There's no reason not to just kill free range niggers and feed them to animals instead of the reverse, and it's actually less cruel.
>>529925878>so im going to torture dozens of random children i dont care about much or at all in painful and deadly medical experiments to create a cure for my childs extremely rare conditionUnbelievably based.
>>529925937>pays a hitman to kill somebody >im not personally responsible for the actions of another
>>529925864>There is karmamay i see it?
>>529925997>admitting you are a hylic
>>529925939You're a good man, Hans.
>>529925878>God is dead>my kids sick>I want my kid to be as sick as possible>im selfish>so im going to torture dozens of random children i dont care about much or at all by propagandizing parents to make their kids vegan to make kids just as sick as mine.
>>529926089so you just imagined it? okay i can just ignore your inane babble
>>529926145You imagine your standard of truth
>>529925878What does that have to do with this? Children are not fucking animals. Animals are not fucking children. There isn’t room for logically determined morality anywhere in life. Without god, morality is the abstract expression of animal instincts that evolved around consequence. The will to live is itself irrational. Morality MUST be. Only with god can you make it anything else. And then you’re still not free. Nature still exists. It will still punish those who punish themselves no matter what they believe in. >>529925864The average IQ of people who believe in karma has hit the 70s. You’ve regressed to a lesser primate. You’ve chosen something worse than going extinct. You’ve chosen resetting human evolution to before cro magnon man evolved. This isn’t great, I feel, because this time around there might evolve a predator hominid that eats you - i can see its beginnings in the han chinese. Semi-psychopaths and master slavers who somehow have almost no empathy but maintain a civilization based entirely on shame and fear. Logically there is no reason to care if your future is being edible labor for evolved changs. This probably happened before in human evolution. Too bad morality isn’t, can’t, and shouldn’t be logical.
>>529914880everyone knows this deep down, that's why vegans generate so much seethepersonally i am just apathetic to life and don't claim to be a moral person
>>529925941The suffering you assume exists has no moral weight. You spend hours consuming a distorted reality to try and trick yourself into feeling something. But the reality isn’t going away. Chickens are worthless. Better the grinder than even two roosters. Well evolved humans simply feel this way. Unfortunately nature has multiple definitions of well evolved. Unfortunately your most numerous replacement has found a way to evolve civilization with minimal empathy so what few moral feelsies goodies you ever had will be replaced along with you. You MUST abandon this path. It’s the same one that destroyed the indians entire race.
>>529926227Without morality there is no divinity. You are free to stay as a lower lifeform that only craves pleasure and self-interest. I want to become something more.
>>529926364I just think that bullying vegans is funny
>>529926226If something cant be measured it doesnt exist. If not, I can just come up with any silly shit and you have to believe it or you are a hypocrite and a hylic.My supreme leader god thinks you should eat animals for their flesh for it is uhh karmically correct, for he is all powerful and all knowing. Eating animal flesh will cure your karmic soul.
>>529926227Humans are animals.A lot of people have a preference for things like truth and are in some cases willing to die for that. So telling those people it doesn’t matter if their justifications they use for eating meat lead to reductios they would not be willing to accept like aliens factory farming humans can convince them to be vegan
>>529926364Vegans generate seethe because they are a threat. They didn’t always generate seethe, they were just dietary shakers, a self ending cult, but then they started leveraging women to pass absurd regulations which is why each year more and more meat is imported from total shitholes like china and brazil and each year their solutions are more likely to include mass starvation or depopulation>humans SHOULD fall short of full development to protect the environment and ourselves from technology! -vegans have said this
>>529926508>dark matter and macro evolution don’t exist
>>529926587>im allowed to murder someone else and steal their organs just to be 0.01 inches taller Carnism = narcissism
>>529914880What else are they supposed to do with the chickens? People want cheap eggs and giving the male chicks a life somewhere would be insanely expensive. This way the chickens and egg shells are turned into a paste that will be used as animals feed or fertilizer. It's the logical solution the problem. But moral fags are too empathetic and too emotionally charged to see it this way. At the end of the day this entire veganism ideology comes from people just being soft faggots. Killing animals is perfectly normal and sometimes that humans have been doing since the dawn of time these days because humans are so advanced and smart we no longer have to go out and hunt for our food but we use our industrial capabilities to dramatically increase the productivity and reduce the cost of producing meat and related animal products like eggs and Milk. If it wasn't for that industrial scale animal products would be unaffordable.
>>529925987exactly rightthe hitman is guilty of killingi'm guilty of paying a criminalnot quite the same thing being that one actually does the thing and the other might not be in the same continentyou don't share responsibility with anyone, only you control youpersonally responsible means you personally did the thing
>>529926587classic cope, you know they are correct, morally righteous and you are not
>>529926467>i am magic man. i will become magical if i starve myself. I have bad news for you. The DMT entities aren’t real. The meditation entities and NDEs aren’t real. Magic isn’t real. Your DMN shutting down doesnt show the real reality. Your perception overloads and starts seeing heuristic archetypes before it uses them to understand sensory data. A plethora of potential expectations become truth. There is no magic, god, or spiritual realm. You will just starve. Your replacement will likely be worse than you in every way you feel they are worse.
>>529914880For all the horror of it, this is a very efficient way of killing, and would have been widely available in the 1940s. Therefore the over complicated and over elaborate gas chamber theory makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Therefore, I do declare, that OP has debunked the holocaust™
>>529926835Explain fine tuning, psycho physical harmony, Anthropics, consciousness, moral knowledge, etc good luck https://benthams.substack.com/p/arguments-for-god-tier-list
>>529926413I recognize the need to consume animals (presently), I don't accept the idea that niggers are more valuable than cattle or deserve to suffer less or even exist. The value of niggers and the imperative to create more niggers you assume exists has no moral weight. Indians are just genetic trash, that's why everything about them is just terrible. They're the leftovers of an engineered slave race. It's cruel to let them breed so much.
>>529926956unaccounted biasunaccounted biasunaccounted biasphilosowankthousands of years of trial and error to try and get more than a hundred humans to live in a place without too many killings
>>529926835Free will is not a coincidence. No matter what you try to convince yourself of. Your choices will have consequences. Are you afraid of them to such an extent, that you chose oblivion over recompense ?
>>529926835typical fucking third-dimensional mfer
>>529926701>a fucking cow is someone else>i sed narcissism dats an insult so NEBER do anything that benefits you or your progeny or your people!>>529926797Righteous, morally, based on fucking what? Nothing. They starve themselves after consuming media that misrepresenta reality and portrays animals as more human than they are to feel good about it. Why?Because you are telling me what YOU WANT to be. Not what is. Oh narcissist… thats a word that is never used by a non-narcissist first, because its never on their mind, but the narcissist is always on their own mind, their narcissism includedMost vegans are narcissists who try and gain admiration by exploiting disconnected judeo christian values with thought terminating cliches. Self denial is good and christly. With some twisting of words jesus wouldnt step on an ant, the vegan figures. The vegan wants to be admired. And they think they have a way to be. By not just imitating a religious icon, but by redefining morality in their absence and thus declaring themselves a new christ.
>>529926601>Dark matter cannot be directly observed because it does not interact with light, but it is routinely MEASURED indirectly through its gravitational effects on visible matter>Yes, macroevolutionary changes—large-scale alterations above the species level—CAN BE MEASURED, analyzed, and testedyes I just used google AI since you arent putting in any effort either
life eats life, if something never was a life, then it is not food...Vegans are most cruel people I know. Cruel to their own kind, they are not kind at all.
>>529926956>explain *nonsense*Morality is higher primate ethology. It is necessarily illogical because it is the communication of prosocial instincts and learned survival tactics. The existence of life itself is arbitrary. You are in a parasitic extinction/devolution cult. >>529927194>saaar it cant all be a coincidence saarMaybe God did create you. Since consequence flows from nature consequence flows from god. When your children are stunted idiots because you didn’t eat a cow, god meant that to happen. Next time don’t believe in karma, pagan shit.
>>529927222Why should I care about you and your progeny? You're pilpulling all over the place to pretend farmed mammals are so different from us they feel nothing and it shouldn't matter anyway if it does. Is that why you're only referencing chickens directly? Because you know pigs most definitely experience suffering? Maybe you're just a piece of shit who shouldn't breed more pedantic psychopaths.
>>529927329What Jesus said to the rebbes, rebbes, he would say to vegansThey concern themselves with twisting words to claim to be holy but have faith in nothing but themselves and concern for nothing but how to best convince other people that they are righteous It is better to admit to being an animal than to be like themAt least a wolf cares for his pack. A vegan wolf would sabotage them if not a hypocrite and subsist off their charity without returning anything if one. A pack of vegan wolves would beget its own replacement by hyenas no wolf would consider a suitable replacement vegan or not.
>>529927484whether or not they feel anything has no relevance. it is food. for people. people matter more than animals. a single inch and seven IQ points is worth killing every cow on earth. humans matter more, the end. disagree and weaken until you are replaced by the chinese.
>>529927734>a single inch and seven IQ points is worth killing every cow on earthYou can reduce the number of necessary cows by not making more browns, that's my point that you continue trying to deflect with the implication that even indians and abbos count as humans. You're brown, a cow has more value than you because it could feed a white man, and it's potential suffering should absolutely be considered. It's perfectly rational, aesthetically better, and morally superior.
>>529927484And who are you to broaden psychopathy to fucking livestock, you parasitic extinction/devolution cultist? The fact that it has any relationship to dogs and cats is amazing. The fact that willful torture, and I mean screaming writhing torture, not “how bleak, they must yearn for heccin freedom” fantasies, of livestock has any relationship with a psychopathy diagnosis is a miracle that speaks to our excessively high standards. In china, bestiality and vivisection are not even criminal!Anyone who takes it beyond this WILL become a slave race and the next hominid in line has evolved a society that does not require any empathy whatsoever to function - only shame and fear. They are already your intellectual superiors by a small margin. Go starve yourself. You love livestock more than your brethren and you love yourself most of all so you dream of you and your brethren taking the path to becoming livestock. Go. Become pajeet. Go join the ones who already devolved. I find the society that arises from this balance between abhorring gross torment and not giving a fuck about livestock as if they were people better to live in.
Roosters are rapey as fuck and harass chickens near to death. There's a reason that in the wild, chicken flocks have very few roosters
>>529916213Wish I had a child but women find me boring
>You are personally responsible OP is right I go down there and push the baby-grinding button after every meal.
>>529928041>durrr ur brownI’m so white the head of my uncircumcized dick is blue and veiny at rest. It does not matter if a cow never experiences the heckin liferino. It’s a cow. It will live in its pod and die peacefully. It does not matter if a chicken dies in a grinder before its nerve impulses can translate to pain. It does not even matter if they do. Even if you get your TND fantasies either this all happens to feed white people or pajeets are created again. Or worse. Intellect will persevere at the cost of body size and some “inessential” brain functions.
>>529914880>Male chicks.Kek, shut up troon
>>529928110I said browns don't get to eat animals, not white humans. I dont have any reason to value you over livestock at all. I just don't think they deserve to suffer. This is done by shitting out less people. I don't care about your need to have a grandson an inch taller than you. It takes a trillion jeets to equal the accomplishments of a village of white people across centuries. So just get rid of browns.
Was this video taken at the beginning of a shift? You can see at the beginning that the grinder is perfectly clean and just gets messier as the video continues. It almost looks like it was created exclusively as a shock video.
>>529928441>bla bla bla brownsI’m whiteIf you are too, your ancestors lopped the heads off pigs with zeal and invented keeping livestock in pens while brownoids had them roaming around as vegans would.
>>529924594All Those vegan foods are devastating to the carnivore animals. They all get slowly and painful.death from malnutrition.Wait. I bet you will saynnow that cats are not carnivorous animals.I bet you will. Changing the definitions and the matrix is key to the successful propaganda of veganism.
>>529928497PETA has been caught torturing animals for shock videos in the past.People with the jewish mindvirus will spare no measure to attack whatever facet of white civilization they have a particular affinity for hating.
The Europeans should've killed all the brown races when they had the chance — instead of breeding with them. Now we have 7+ billion useless eaters on the planet which causes immense suffering for animals.The European naivete and empathy caused this.
Pajeets were white once. One day, their highest classes decided to stop eating beef. And then meat altogether. “Killing is wrong, that’s it. We are spiritually pure. We are to be more than just human!” is what they said. It seemed to work. These people did not die immediately. Did they get frailer, dumber? No one could tell, they had all their needs provided to them, and more than enough food as well. Soon the next lowest and next lowest followed suit. Soon the higher classes did not have their needs provided for them. The physical and mental abilities of the aryans of india degraded significantly. They no longer had the ability to tell themselves from less evolved people and mixed freely with the slaves they kept. These hybrids, too, were taught to shun meat to be holy and like a god. Indians are no longer white. The average IQ of india, which once built temples to rival the pyramids, and can now only copy and paste the white mans node.js, is approximately seventy five. There are still a few who manage to develop well enough and remain pure enough to be recognizably human. They never think that they caused it all. Eat like a prey animal become one. Mind you, elephants and gorillas are only slightly smarter than the modern pajeet and they spend all day eating their own shit to try and get at least some nutrition to their brains.
>>529927484>Why should I care about you and your progenyBecause if you don't care enough to at least afford me basic property rights then I will kill you.
>>529914880Yeah I don’t eat the mutilated corpse pieces they sell at the markets. That shit’s utterly satanic and there is objectively no excuse for eating it when you have alternatives other then that you are subhuman filth.
>>529914880All these vegan propaganda videos serve one purpose to create a demand for thr new CAPITALIST industry of eating bugs, and foods from insects.in order that to happen people.must give up from their old food habits and look for new food.Veganism is the perfect strategy for that. relying on the Empathy of the. animals.The so called vegans activists are uses up as propagandizers and shills for thr new food industry of bugs eating.And.most of them do not even know it.
>>529916062This guy makes a great point. At least half of this board wants to do exactly that to other humans or subhumans. Your vegan message is putting the cart before the horse.
>>529928959Nobody should stop eating meat. But we should stop factory farming. Only ethical farming where animals can live normal lives outside (+ hunting). The world population would have to shrink to accommodate this. Perhaps to around 500 million (which is about the number of white people in the world currently).I don't see a problem with this.
>>529928970>well maybe ALL killing and suffering is wrong! I AM PURE! I WILL BECOME MORE LIKE GOD!>Amazingly, it seemed to work. The nobles were still noble, and if they were less noble for a lack of food, it was beyond the notice of the next lower caste for they remained wealthier, well served, and for the new converts, exactly as they were before (lazy, tired, whats the difference?), and for the next generation, still greater than the darker ones below them, though a little less noble than their parents. And yet fair and well served, so what lack of ability is there to notice? The vegans must be right!>it was by the second generation that the weakness began to cause their highness to unravel. challenges went unmet. work undone. the lower castes found themselves rules by fair skinned equals, every bit as inept as they>so they mixed>and those that did not had no eye for quality amongst themselves, for it was masked by the malaise of malnutrition and they were blinded by partial neurological development
>>529929310How about we genetically engineer animals to not experience suffering? That's a decent compromise.
>>529929310The white people will reproduce if that happens. You know we used to have a decent birthrate right? Its not that smart people dont breed. It’s that we don’t outbreed available resources.
Wandering Israelites were given pigeons to eat by God so there goes that theory , vegan skitz
>>529914880Yeah it's fucked up. So I try not to have any meat waste when I eat and I feel terrible when I have to throw away animal products.But I'm not giving up meat tho
>>529914880I don't care about small brained beasts. You lost, tranny.
>>529931360You shouldn’t hate yourself.
>>529914880I don't like that
>>529931975Correct opinion.
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>>529914880And why should I care?
>>529931975no one but the mentally ill "likes" that video, but if its any consolation, the chick is destroyed at such speed that it doesn't feel any pain.
I'm confusewhy dont they just raise male cock for meats?I raise a flock of chickens at home and I eat most of the male
