>use AI to make your game>no copyright protectionYour game? I made that game (:
What if you manually draw a single pixel?
Of course copyright violations cannot be given copyright why would you think otherwise?
>>529922607Jeets are just that retarded
>>529922605probably needs to reach the "transformative" threshold
>>529922604But the current ruling was that AI assisted material was protected by copyright and obviously also IPs, so this is pretty much meaningless. Just because Squaresoft uses AI in their games it doesn't suddenly now make those games free of copyright and they still own Cloud, so anything they do with him using AI is still theirs.
>>529922605>>529922609you are altering stolen content, drawing a mustache and a poncho on a trigrex doesn't mean you own the tigrex design.
>>529922604Yeah but that means that nothing is stopping you from making a tung tung tung sahur videogame now anon
>>529922610>SCOTUS DOESN'T MATTER HERElol
>>529922611correct, it means you own your depiction of a tigrex wearing a mustache and poncho, vs telling gemini to make it for you which then belongs to nobody
>>529922607You're not viewing this through a business perspective. Appealing a case to the supreme court with your lawyer on retainer is just another risk/reward proposition. You use your resources, and it works for you or it doesn't. The actual merit is secondary.
>>529922614>you own your depiction of a tigrex wearing a mustache and ponchoyou don't
>>529922610>Just because Squaresoft uses AI in their gamesWhich ones? I made them btw.
>>529922616you do. you can't profit off of it because it's not gonna pass the transformative test on someone else's property, but capcom can't turn around and start selling your drawing of tigrex in a mustache and poncho because it's yours.
>>529922604I'm making AI MGS6 right now. There is nothing Konami can do to stop me now.
we won troon sisters rev up those commisions
>>529922613SCOTUS didn't rule anything. It's literally in the twitter. They simply refused to review an appeal case. But the current ruling basically is that AI copyright works the same as with making a collage using free use content. You cannot copyright that content, but you can copyright the collage as long as it isn't in direct violation of someone's copyright.
>>529922611you're missing the point, this is saying that NO ONE owns the tigrex if it's made solely by AI, so then if I draw a mustache on this public domain piece do I now own the mustache version because I "created" a new piece of art, "El Tigrexo"? its a legitimate question to which I suspect the answer is "yes" but I really don't know
>>529922604This means Clair Obscure isn't protected by copyright, they admitted to using AI during development and it had AI art when they sold it.
>>529922620>
>>529922604Lmao, wtf does that even mean? If you don't put the pixels together with your bare hands doesn't count? US lobbies are desperate
>>529922611>StolenYou really need to put effort on the bait
So does that mean Tung Tung Tung Tung Tung Tung Tung Tung Tung Sahur can't be copyrighted, or is that owned by some italian dude?
If AI art isn't copyrightable then training AI models off other ai art isn't plagerism. Things are about to get a lot more weird
>>529922611Nice post, think I'll steal it and alter it. Now it's mine.
>>529922627tung tung tung sahur and any AI made character is public domain.
>>529922606>And I will NEVER speak to YouHe says as he speaks to them
>>529922611Drawing a mouse doesn't mean you own the mouse
>>529922623Are you a singular schizo seething over this game?
>>529922630gen alpha will be happy to hear he's coming back to roblox
>>529922622>NO ONE owns the tigrex if it's made solely by AICorrect. Tigrex was made by capcom artists and mohun directors doe>but you can copyright the collage as long as it isn't in direct violation of someone's copyright.AI can't create something out of the blue so nope, you can not copyright AI diffusions.
>>529922632You own the depiction of the mouse you drew unless the image of the mouse itself is copyrighted. Like if you drew Mickey Mouse no you don't own THAT mouse. If you drew a real mouse, you own that drawing.
>>529922631He's speaking at them
Sad day for saars...
>>529922622>its a legitimate question to which I suspect the answer is "yes" but I really don't knowAssuming Tigrex is a public domain character or a new character made by the AI, then the answer is yes, but a mustache alone probably won't cut it, unless there's a conceptual reason for it that makes it transformative enough. Reversely, if Tigrex doesn't exist yet, you could draw him yourself, get automatic copyright of him, and now when you make him with AI you keep the copyright of the IP so no one can profit from it anyway. All these rulings so far are meaningless because there are a hundred ways of bypassing them.
>>529922606This but streamers and vtubers. Only the dude from Blue's Clues is allowed to address me through a screen.
>>529922607Tell that to P*lworld
>>529922637Which is the same as speaking to them
>>529922604>artworkwhat a nothing burger
>>529922641Palworld doesn't violate copyright, it violates patient . They are two different things.
>>529922623They only admitted to use AI for in-game posters so i'm guessing those posters have 0 legal protection now and you can use them for your own game the entire game feels like it was made by AI, complete dogshit
>>529922641>>529922644Was about to type this thanks Anon.
>>529922610Obviously it would be extremely difficult but if people can find that the training data for AI producing the art used their material then they can't claim it's protected.
>>529922611So memes are illegal too?
>>529922607this is so people selling ai content can't be assmad if they content is stolen and resold.
>>529922648having no copyright protection doesn't mean they are illegal wtf
>>529922604Sarbros......Not like this.....
>>529922648>So memes are illegal too?Always have been
>>529922636So you just need a name to copyright everything out of it? The hole idea behind copyright is retarded, but extending it over a long period of time (10+years) is even more retarded. I'll draw Mickey mouse but with a slightly bigger ass, it's gonna be called mickey maxass.
>>529922653.....yes parody has worked that way for a long ass time
The scary implication of this is AI companies can now legally train their AI off competitors generations thus removing culpability from themselves. Good luck figuring out which company is actually commiting Art theft when image gens are being created and scraped from every AI player in the game. It might not be just AI gens that lose copyright protection.
>what do you mean books use letters? No book can be copyrighted!
pajeets in crisis
>>529922604That's fine with me. Fuck all commercial uses of AI, AI should belong exclusively to demented perverts who have the personal computers and spunk to actually run it locally
>>529922655having a program look at a piece of data isn't theft
Couldn't you just have a shitty drawing of your character in a Concept Art menu in your games extras, then just say the AI version is based off that? Even if the AI version was actually just you telling it to make "Cloud Strife, red hair, green school uniform" ?
>>529922657Pajeets should be celebrating though, all they do is rip each other off endlessly and now they can do that more easily.
>>529922604Are you guys fucking retarded or something?It means you can't copyright a generated AI artwork, so anyone can use it. It's not because you use that artwork in a game that the whole game is not under copyright. The only thing you can apparently do is using the artwork for anything you want without any risk. And I doubt it works if a character under copyright is on that artwork, the character need to be 100% generated by AI.
>>529922654And it's precisely the point why copyright is retarded and has no place on any AI conversation. If you can cr that you can cr anything out of AI
Why are there so many posts in the thread like it's controversial? If you didn't make something, you shouldn't own it and everyone knows this moral truth.
>>529922604Does that mean I can make AI Mario game and not get tendo'd
>>529922662You are the only retarded here, you can just fuck up everything by painting a couple of pixels by hand. Not only that but the extend at which AI is used is literally impossible to tell where it starts and where it ends unless it's 100% AI generated on the end user side
>>529922665No because mario was created by humans and copyrighted
What if I make the AI generate sonic slop? can sega even sue me? I mean I DIDN'T make it, it was the AI.
>>529922664Buy you actually did it. The AI needs inputs retard
>>529922664So can I take the coco cola christmas commercials, remove all the coca cola logos and replace them with the name for my brand of Cola? The judge just said you can't copyright AI content, well that commercial was made by AI
>>529922669you can automate the inputsyou can train an AI to make the inputs into another AI
>>529922660You can, yes, but using Cloud Strife in the prompt may not be the best idea, as it could serve as proof it's derivative work, but I don't think there's any legislature regarding such eventualities as of now, so murky waters.
>>529922642>speaking to: expecting a response>speaking at: not expecting a response
>>529922668dig this: you can draw sonic all you want and sega still can't sue you
>Gu guys, no guys for real, hear me out.WHAT if I prompt the AI to kill someone? Life hack guys!Bullets kill not people level of retardation
>>529922673no>Speaking to is equal to>speak asAs you are literally doing the same thing. Your intent doesn't matter, you are still doing exactly what you said you'd never do
>>529922670I don't see why not as per the rulingCoca-cola would maybe sue you and you'd have to defend your case in court using this new ruling so that it can become precedent and that would be expensive and costly and maybe even bankrupt you before you saw the inside of the courtroombut I don't see why not.
>>529922671You are full retard, keep working on that chain buddy, just a couple more
>>529922675>Bullets kill not people level of retardationsar? why so angry sar?
>>529922678wat?
>>529922679>Typo argument Cope nigger
>>529922674They can if you try to sell it though. If you prompt Sonic with AI and try to sell it they also can sue you. But they can sell as many AI Sonics as they want because they own the IP.
>>529922680>What do you mean a computer program can have subtasks that do things and manage other subtasks? Of course, no copyright for computer programs
>>529922607That’s not why dumbass it’s because copyright only applies to human works
>>529922666Good job, you didn’t contradict anything I said.You just explained another layer of stupidity behind this whole argument about AI.
Copyright is the most jewish invention ever. The sooner AI makes Copyright obsolete, the better.
>>529922686>create something>but you don't deserve to own the thing you createdI will never understand the logic behind it, is it communism?
>>529922606I think about this meme every time my washing machine beeps a second and third time "as a reminder" just because I didn't immediately drop everything to empty it the first time
>>529922686
>court rules that AI cannot hold copyrightThat's literally it. Copyright has to be held by a human.
>>529922604>do some quick touchups in gimp and now it has a human artist and can be copyrightedOf course you can't copyright the raw output of a tool. That'd be like copyrighting the output of the create noise function in Photoshop.
100% here is a retarded fag that doesn't know how to prompt neither can draw.You only need to blend popular thing A with popular thing B and C and then use the AI as reference.But retards want to use copyrighted characters instead of making their own for some reason.
>>529922604Uh-oh, I put in the credits that I drew it
>>529922687if a system can be abused by the wealthy, it's jewishthe only non-jewish thing on earth is death
>>529922604It's a fun idea, but I think it'd only apply to cases where someone just opened cc and told it>make a game, don't ask any questions, just produce a working EXEand let it run with no input whatsoever. Realistically nobody is doing that. Even the sloppiest of vibecoded games stock-full of stable diffusion sprites have enough human input that this wouldn't apply.At most maybe you could prove that concrete texture #21312 and crate model #435353 were AI generated and reuse those assets in your own game.
>>529922658That's a fair take>t. demented pervert
>>529922606Even her?
>>529922686Without copyright there's no point in being an inventor. Pioneering new solutions costs a ton of money and time is inherently super-risky. What kinda cuck would put up with that when McMoneybags can then just copy your final product and use the money he saved on inventing to instead supercharge his marketing beyond what you can afford now?Copyright just shouldn't be something retarded like life of the author + 90 years + life of his kids + life of his hamster.It should be long enough to let the inventor cash in on the initial first wave and establish himself, maybe with some bonus years on top if we feel like McMoneybags can hold his breath for too long. But creators should be able to iterate on concepts that came out when they were young. If the margin outgrows that timeframe, we need another tool in the box against McMoneybags that doesn't cause friendly fire against other inventors.
>>529922698american copyright has not validity in china.the CCP can easily steam american inventions and not give a fuck.
>content that is generated by copying other content cannot be subject to copyright protectionwell no fucking shit.
>>529922604the connection to animal copyright is pretty obvious, so let's not talk about thatbut here's an interesting connection, freedom of panorama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama)Just another parallel between photography and AI-assisted art creation.
You cant copyright 100% PURE AI output.>artists debating whether how much AI to Human work would be fair, 50:50 or 40:60Currently it's 99% AI : 1% Human. This is just mainly to stop people having an AI running 24/7 generating trillions of images and if someone ever creates something that happens to look like any of those images they won't be sued.As soon as you make any tiny alteration, like stitching two video outputs together to tell a story or putting AI images together in a sequence, or copy the image over to photoshop, crop it/color edit/, you get copyright.
>>529922697AI could never
>>529922686>>529922687>>529922698wanna know something funny?if you invent some new technology or cure you only have like 20-50 years of ownership of that patent before other big corpos can steal that shitmeanwhile disney still owns the rights to mickey mouse because they keep jewing the government to push back copyright laws to 100+ years, amongst other things they and other media companies want to perpetually own even though the original "owners" (the writers/directors/artists) died decades ago
>>529922702>Currently it's 99% AI : 1% Human. This is just mainly to stop people having an AI running 24/7 generating trillions of images and if someone ever creates something that happens to look like any of those images they won't be sued.It's not. AI is generic. Trace it, dice it , slice it. It has no value.
Most AI generated content does have a human creator. It's a human putting in the prompts that generates the image. It's a tool no different from someone using a brush.
>>529922704>meanwhile disney still owns the rights to mickey mouse>he doesn't know
>>529922691It's actually even more interesting than that>generate 10,000 images of the same thing>carefully look through them, manually discard ones that have errors, aren't what you imagined, etc.>narrow it down to 1>this 1 is now copyrightable, as-is, no editing neededIt's true, it really is. That selection process is creative input.
It's so funny when AI jeets get offended when you criticize AI. They've staked absolutely nothing by asking AI to create something. They haven't staked time, money, energy, or any part of their soul in asking AI to make something for them. No part of their ego went into making the AI's product. Yet they're a thousand times more sensitive to criticism than any artist LOL. >>529922707Only steamboat willie is public domain. They still have the rights to Mickey.
Didn't read the thread because I know most of you people are retards:Make AITake AI videosEdit them togetherNOW you have copyright.Just prompting something and saying you created it isn't enough.
>>529922687>but you don't deserve to own the thing you createdYou DO deserve to own the thing you created.But just because you own the car you built doesn't mean you get to stop people making cars.Even if they copy your design.>BUT I CAME UP WITH ITThen you can feel proud of that fact.Don't invent things if you only want profit.I'd rather live in the cave then see you monetize human advancement.
I like using ai :)
>>529922712Me too, I use it to generate my AI wife.
>>529922670Yea, sure, why would Coke give a fuck? They didn't even make the commercial, they just contracted it out to some cheap third worlders who AI-generated it.
>>529922618>but capcom can't turn around and start selling your drawing of tigrex in a mustache and poncho because it's yours.What are you going to do? Sue Crapcom? With what money?
>>529922704Yeah, copyright should be set at 20 years, same as patents. The exact time it is now is 95 years for "works for hire", i.e. anything corporate, and life of the author + 70 years for personal works. Which is just absurd to me.
>>529922604>needs to have a human creator to be eligiblewasn't this always a thing?
>>529922690This here is the key point; the idiot filing the initial lawsuit was trying to claim the AI model itself could hold the copyright. Which is as dumb as saying a monkey could copyright stuff.
This is not Hatsune Miku
>>529922604uh oh
>>529922604I feel like you aren't understanding a few things.One, companies don't give a shit about copyright protection and will just sue your ass into bankruptcy, regardless of what the law says. They could have full copyrights, you could have full copyrights, nobody could have full copyrights, and it doesn't matter unless you have several million dollars and ten years to fight a legal battle in court to settle it.Two, just because one particular aspect of something has no copyright doesn't mean the final product has no copyright. Peter Pan, Tinkerbell, and Neverland have no copyright and have been in the public domain for years, but that doesn't stop Disney from throwing lawsuits at anyone who tries to make something based off those public domain rights because they have a copyright on their own separate movie. Generally, when something like this happens, the non-copyrightable parts have no protection while anything original gets the copyright. This generally takes the form of "artistic arrangement of features" or something like that. PUBG used 100% store-bought assets, but still had a copyright because of how they arranged the arenas and with the general idea of a store-bought-asset-battle-royale.
>>529922721Sure thing, SAAR. I'm sure you understand the law better than the Supreme Court LMAO.
>>529922604This is misinformation going back several years n ow. AI art was copyrighted last year.
YOU VILL OWN NOTHINGYOU VILL NEVER BE HAPPY
>>529922616Fair use NIGGA
So mostly it means trolling fags with a patreon full of AI gens will be even easier.
>>529922663Not really unless everything you ai gen is "parodying" the original
>change 1 pixel>now its derivative workgg ez
>>529922726Delete this
>>529922604>same faggot judges that constantly let rapists out, give pedos slaps on the wrist, encourage terrorism, let themselves get bought outi knew ai was morally correct
>>529922727I never mentioned funny being the main purpose of the modification. Parody is just another way of saying well cr is shit and makes no sense so let's forget about it on this case
>>529922726Kek
>>529922604yeah okay so who made the AI make the image?
>>529922685Yes I did, you can't prove something was made by ai in the first place and even if you could it's no different from a noise generator on any other program.
>>529922706>It's a human putting in the prompts that generates the image. It's a tool no different from someone using a brush.t. aijeet
>>529922604I don't think this is true, so I'm not gonna believe it.
>>529922730this guy gets itthe government and most judges are completely at odds with sanity, justice, morality, and the majority of mankindmost everything they rule against is therefore good
>>529922664>take a picture of something>you own the picture>generate a picture of something>you don't own the pictureThat's retarded, Lenin. Just like your ideology.
>>529922604OH NO NO NOE33 JEETS???
>>529922687What about not extending it 70 years after authors death? What about a reasonable period like 10 years? What's wrong about it?
>>529922702Lol, how do you even get those percentages? Videogames are 100% computer generated, there is no small people drawing shit on your screen
>>529922735(You)
>>529922741>Lol, how do you even get those percentages?vibes
>>529922635i'mma be making a room for this soon. any fags want to do guild quests?i need some arms.
>>529922606This picture is very autistic but its right. I fucking hate how EVERYTHING fucking talks to you now. Cant even buy groceries without a sultry milf's voice telling you to scan the item again and put everything in the bag 400 fucking times.
>>529922743giwtwm
>>529922738those are two distinct actions, ranjeesh.
>>529922604E33 bros how do we cope?
There still hasn't been a single AI creation that's been noted to have any real significance among other contemporary pieces of art, music, or literature. People don't call AI slop due to a misunderstanding of how it works, they call it slop because it IS slop.
>>529922604Seems fair.
>>529922730Cool it with the antiseptic rhetoric
>>529922746Soul
>>529922743This fag has been grinding since day one and his slop is actually getting worse
>>529922750People can't seem to get off Expedition 33s dick so you're incorrect.
>>5299226334chan is completely insane.
>>529922604>make a shitty drawing of my character>now I own the copyright>use ai to pump out better art of my characterIt's that easy
>>529922631>>529922642I love how this esl not only doesn't understand the implications of his wording here (the poster of the meme image is addressing bots on 4chan, as otherwise what inanimate objects is he addressing?) but also doesn't grasp the difference between speaking at vs speaking with. >Um akshually both involve talking so it's the same :))Imagine being this 80iq brown creature, whose skin matches the color of poop, trying to tell native speakers of English that there is no difference between obviously differing levels of respect and acknowledgement of humanity.This brown subhuman, likely related to some antique American farm equipment who went to go get milk from the store one day and never returned, has the gall to consider himself our equal, and speak as if he has anything intelligent to say.The audacity would impress me were I not so busy laughing.
>COPYRIGHT BAD FUCK MEGACORPOS I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE WHATEVER I WANT IN MY SLOP>wait, *I* won't be able to copyright slop I prompted? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS IS UNFAIR AND BAD FUCK THE JUDGES
>>529922754kujeesh is still mad
>>529922606you're brown
>>529922743Sauce?
>>529922759All these cat slop videos get copyright because they're 10 second clips that a human authored by putting them in a specific sequence to tell a story.
The democratization of the craft via AI should not be held in copyright because that defeats the entire point of its purpose of creation. AI-assisted tools is where this becomes extremely blurry.
>>529922606>this post
>>529922762me
>>529922757thisnext anon will be saying you don't own upscales because it was done with an AI
>>529922606this but with women
>>529922606>[Skynet will remember that]
>>529922766More, do you upload them anywhere?
God, I hope they make a ruling on writing as well. Amazon is fucking FLOODED with AI knockoffs and webnovel sites are slowly getting infiltrated as well.
What's the problem here. Copyright shouldn't exist at all.
>>529922604AI being the realm of true public domain and no "muh copyright means I own this vague concept because I can sure you into bankruptcy with an unwinnable but ready to stall case" being the new media that kills the monopolies stifling creativity would be funniest shit ever to happen.
>>529922770https://x.com/Elf_Anon
>>529922746soul, indians could never
>>529922638Pretty sure they're the last ones to care about something as copyright.
>>529922635What if we made a tigrex that screams REAL FUCKING LOUD
>>529922684you can copyright purely machine-generated content, automated content creation is nothing new, everyone been using generative software for decades - for many things and its still counts as your own creation if you merely set some parameters and pressed 'generate' but this interpretation is new and its only muddying things upAI gen should be illegible when its trained on public data - cause its essentially stealing
>>529922606based based based
this is actually the first based ruling they've made on aieverything else is shit
>>529922604Why should you have copyright over somethind you didn't make?
Based. Total Copyright Death. Die Hollywood die jews
>>529922604kek, this will protect artists but not programmers i guesstech bros are we fucked?
Huge W. AI is enshitification.
>>529924147A ruling calling the copyright protections of slopcode into question would of course be bigger but a W is a W.
>>529922604>company makes game>downloads it then puts it up for sale at half pricenothing personnel kid
>>529922723wrong
>>529922621llms are in direct violation...
>>529922662wtf does 100% mean? its all derivative. thats what training data is everything that comes out has to be infringement unless it was trained solely on public domain
>>529922648Most memes are technically illegal and justifiably could be taken down. Screenshotting a smug anime girl and putting a caption on it isn't a transformative work.
>>529922606>talk shit to atm >it steals your moneyIt's not the future we chose, but it's the one we're getting
>>529922604This was always going to be the case. The US will be strongarming other countries as well. Paying artists would hobble tech companies and the US sees them as the future of dominion over the world. They can't let Chyna ahead.Let this be a warning. They will steal everything they can from you. "You will own nothing."
>>529922745She wants you to scan your dick, but you're not getting the hint. Out of all the schlubs that self-serve kiosk is forced to look at, it finally found one it likes. Don't be shy. Scan your cock.
>>529922611What if I draw the picture but use AI to finish it?
>>529922604It is because AI almost every time using source material which someone already have copyrights. It is like you cannot make copy about painting and then claim than you are the original artist.
>>529924147This killing vibecoding retards would be great, but I doubt it would work, because arrangement of AI code would still count as human input. This mainly applies to unmodified generated images, unadulterated video, and generated text, I suppose. But even if the content in a book is all AI generated, if you do the basic work of stitching together chunks one character limit by another, that would count as arrangement and you could claim copyright, I'd bet.
What board was this kicked to us from
>>529928014/v/
>>529927752Simply don't declare, that you have used "AI" during the creation of your art.I mean, considering the decision in OP, it would be completely retarded to be open about it.
>>529922611>you are altering stolen contentFair use is a thing and altering it falls under it.
