Elbridge Colby, the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, just announced that the US would strongly oppose creating independent nuclear capabilities by any NATO ally because such countries would become a danger for the US national security and its interests. https://www.cfr.org/event/conversation-elbridge-colbyRegarding a hypothetical scenario where the German government, the Polish government, and/or Scandinavian countries sought to develop their own independent nuclear capabilities:Elbridge Colby: "I think, of course, we would at least strongly oppose it. It's hypothetical, but we are opposed to that possibility."
>>529935968That was to be expected. The US says:>We won't do shit but you have to rely on us anyway.Trump wants to have his cake and eat it too.Europe might become the next Iran if we try to get nukes. That would mean WW3 and America + Russia + Allies against us - again.
>>529936086It is rational for the US to oppose it, because it de facto removes the US from the continent. However, it will be increasingly hard for the US to persuade anybody they are truly capable of anything if they get stuck in Iran, while Europeans pay x2-x4 higher gasoline/gas price xD
>>529935968>such countries would become a danger for the US national security and its interests.By that logic, France is already a danger to the US national security and its interests.
>>529936286Just develop them anyway. The fuck amerigolems do when they're bogged down in Iran.
>>529936321>France is already a danger to the US national security and its interestsftfy.
>>529935968>But Israel can have nukes.God, Americans really are the biggest fucking kikes.
>>529936597This. Death to America.
Are nukes even real? Maybe Poland should just say they have them
When Canada gets nukes and the US has a gun directly pressed to its head with a very nervous trigger finger will MIGAs realize their mistake finally?
>>529936784>Maybe Poland should just say they have themBolanda is too short in resource, infrastructure and skills to build its own nukes, even in a decade or longer. It is just a diplomatic game whose goal is extorting more stuff from the US and France/Germany and improve its position. But Germany has incomparably bigger possibilities in this area. Hell, even Ukraine does
>>529937022Ukraine is 100% getting nukes after any ceasfire.
>>529935968>at least strongly oppose it.In diplomatic language it means that military options are on the table too, by the way.
>>529936086>America + Russia + Allies against usstfu dennis
>>529937022Come on the Pakis and India managed to develop nukes.
>>529935968>you will live long enough to see the mutts bomb polandkek
>>529937970The US prioritized Cold War geopolitics over non-proliferation. It closed one eye because a nuclear-armed India served as a strategic counterweight to soviet-aligned China. Later, the US ignored Pakistans covert program as it was a vital ally against the soviet invasion of Afghanistan. In both cases, containing communism was more critical than preventing nuclear proliferation. These developments strategically convenient rather than a threat to US interests. Meanwhlle today the US openly declares that Poland/Germany/Sweden/Finland armed with nukes would be a critical danger to their security and interests.
>>529935968Meanwhile israel can have nukes.....riiiiiiiiiight not kike blocked
>>529938201What are they gonna do about it, invade Europe? They're already stretched thin by Ukraine and Iran.
>>529938374This Colbys speech means that the US see Germany/Poland/Nordic countries as an expendable cannon fodder in their strategy.
Part of the reasoning behind NATO was to prevent a nuclear tooling up of every western nation. If Trump wants to get rid of NATO then of course countries are going to start taking their defense more seriously, which is what he claimed to want.
>>529935968poland will be the first country in europe that gets nukednot even joking
>a country gatekeeps for its interests wow what a shocklets get back to the convo when we have leverage or form a big enough coalition for it
>>529936597US can rugpull any euro country especially germany economically or poland militatilyUS even replaced italys PM once look it up
>>529938513Americans dont want dissolution of NATO. They are fully aware of their limitations. They know that they cant win prolonged industrial war vs peer opponents like China/Russia, so they try now to cede 100% conventional NATO burden on their European allies. Thats why they are so determined to force goofballs like Bolanda to spend min 5% GDP on defence. In exchange they offer nuclear umbrella (bluff), arms sales (profit) and intel exchange. They simply try to save their empire at cost of allies, at lowest possible cost.
>>529935968>US would strongly oppose creating independent nuclear capabilities by any NATO allyWhat allies? The US doesn't have allies.
>>529938837What, operation gladio? Mutts are no friends of euros.
>>529938982nah it was recenttheres no friends in geopolitics
>>529936321>By that logic, France is already a danger to the US national security and its interests.Isnt it? Like 2 days ago Macron announced that France increases number of nuclear warheads and stops informing about their number. At the same time France expressed will to "share" their nukes with other EU countries. It is acting directly against US interests in Europe.
Why can Israel (the only ones that been starting wars for the last 400 years) have nukes and Poland doesn't
>>529935968Why does plumberland need nukes?
>>529940713 The regime of Bolanda doesnt want any nukes. It is a conglomerate of post-communists (who served Soviet Union for decades) and post-Solidarity muppets (who betrayed their communist motherland for CIA/BND dollars by organizing strikes and paralyzing national-socialist economy). These prostitutes of foreign powers notice that their employers are less and less capable to guarantee security to their regimes so they double down. They want "Fort Trump", they want US nuclear sharing, they want SAFE loans etc. They want everything, so they try to play their silly game. Both Americans and Russians are fully aware that Bolanda is incapable to develop nukes so they would probably ignore it. My guess is that Bolandas main goal is to become a US nuclear sharing program member by hosting US tactical nukes. Americans refused them three times already so they rise stakes. They would try to use French ambitions to improve their negotiation position towards the US of A.
>>529941317Ideal situation for Polish "elites" would be of some foreign empire cared about their security. Soviet Union guaranteed 45 years of peace for Poland. The US was so immensly powerful in 90s/00s that Poland didnt need any army. It is truly an ideal configuration for Bolanda and its dwarfed "ambitions". Nobody here celebrates that Bolanda spends so much money on fkn useless weapon. xD
>>529935968POLAND CAN NEVER BE ALLOWED TO HAVE NUKESTHE ANTISEMITIC, MURDEROUS POLES HAVE TRIED OUR PATIENCE FOR LONG ENOUGH BUT NOW THEIR REIGN OF TERROR WILL BE ENDEDTHANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION IN THIS MATTER
>>529935968lol what a surprise. Even European satelites can not use best frequencies so not to interfere with GPS, and also they are banned over US. All your shit is nerfed by design, even French nukes are only effective against African countries. You would never be allowed to develop any weapons that can threaten US. Economically you are 100% dependent on US energy supply. Why do your politician even pretend they have any leverage? You are just american dogs and will do everything to please your master, because you have no chaice.
Number of meme flags is suspiciously high ITT xD
>>529940257>Asking permission to get nukesThat is why Poland can not have them.
>>529935968Good. Based. NATO is on the chopping block. So is the EU as a power bloc. Europe will become European again and the US is breaking the shackles either way.
>>529942319Historically, Poland always got fucked, when it tried to be independent and stronger than neighbours. Last time, it was II RP with its silly assumption that it can stay independent/sovereign vs Third Reich and Soviet Union. This illusion was shattered to pieces when the country was invaded, occupied and lost not only infrastructure, independence, but also millions of lives, including almost entire Jewish population of 3.5 mln. Especially this last thing (Holocaust) was the most painful and horrible experience that irreversibly changed Polands ethnical structure and deprived of priceless Jewish enrichment. It is caused generations long fear of independence in Poland and resulted in new "elites" that considered vassalisation to foreign empires (and costs connected with it) as cheaper/safer alternative to full independence xD
>>529943885>considered vassalisation to foreign empires (and costs connected with it) as cheaper/safer alternative to full independenceBut such thing can happen only under one condition: the empire must be strong/potent enough to give unquestioned security. Russian comrades during soviet period fulfilled this task perfectly. We were literally swimming here in weapon, we were organizing military parades with hundreds platforms armed with tactical nukes. PRL had comprable weapon-producing potential to Russia today. So the West/NATO was scared of us. It resulted in 45 years of uninterrupted peace. Even West-German bugs were scared to fly here.Meanwhile today American comrades tell us : "Hey guys, we are very stronk and everything, stronkest out of all, b-b-but you need to spend now 5% GDP on weapon because-because". This kind of stuff creates discomfort in Polish neocolonial elites, so they are forced to "think" out of the box.
