>>529938357
Why you need ground invasion

iran isnt an insurgency, they keep bombing generals and bases until the national army gives up

>>529938357
>kill enemy leader
>they immediately go -100% war score and surrender

>>529938357
we destroy their missile and drone infrastructure
give it another week or two

>>529938399
You can't force a regime change with bombing runs alone. Short of a ground invasion serving as an occupying force, it just isn't feasible.
>>529938422
Various insurgencies have already been fomented by American / Israeli interventionism. Your view is insanely naive.

>>529938357
Uses AI and television to say they won.

>>529938422
No war in history has ever been won without ground troops though

>>529938399
You replaced one leader with an even hardliner leader.

>>529938422
oh so basically forever since they decentralized command

>>529938422
They won't surrender. Firstly, they're just fanatics obsessed with shiite eschatology. Secondly, they're especially unlikely to surrender after the jews and their goymericans killed their leader and sacrificed nearly a hundred girls in honor of Purim.

There's no one left that can declare a ceasefire and sign a peace treaty

>>529938357
Destroying their military capabilities whilst their economy is trashed is a good start. Kurds are on the ground to fight with US support. Iran is literally running on fumes but will fight on because they are Islamic apocalyptic religious nuts. The people will revolt again and once they seize the capital it will be over, with only minor factions of moronic loyalists holding out with their cardboard rockets and paper planes.

>>529938357

So Iran is going to do to the USA what Ukraine is doing to Russia?

Narly.

>>529938357
what about a drawing of a pointy boy?

>>529938422
How do you think ISIS was created, newfag?
News flash, American won in both iraq and afghanistan in conventional warfare, but lost because it ceased to be conventional

>>529938570
not for long, mossad is deeeeep in iran

>>529938357
Win? Why would we want to win? The goal isn't to win but to continue the war.

>>529938520
Killing non-combatants is literally a war crime

>>529938357
they don't really need to win in the conventional sense. its a fallacy since Vietnam, the whole "nation building" thing. and unless you bomb the country into the stone age and kill every last man woman and child, the arabs will never conceed victory anyways. look how fags, muzzrats and commies on thsi site still claim to have "won" in afghanistan (despite teh US occupying the country for twenty years, running a train on thier women and killing anyone who dared look them in the eye)

so they don't need to win.

they need to kill the leadership, destroy their ability to get a nuke and destroy the ability to manufacture missiles. the US doesnt need to kill the iranian people, just castrate the leadership. three simple objectives, all of which are already more or less accomplished. any way you slice it now, the islamic republic of Iran is over. Its just a matter of time before the people rise up and take thier country back. The US has demonstrated just how incredibly weak and toothless they are.

It may suprise some of you, but most of the people in Iran are just people. They want to live normal lives. They dont want some freaky preist telling them what to do all day. They will always be islamic of course, but they want a modern version of Islam, not some 12th century bullshit.

>>529939476
No, it isn't a fallacy, retard. America just has never had enough personnel to occupy and rebuild countries since Korea.
Americans don't want to fight for greed and mass murder.
Their wars have been a disaster for everybody.

>>529939202
nobody declared war so the rules of war don’t apply

>>529938887
>American won in both iraq and afghanistan in conventional warfare, but lost because it ceased to be conventional

exactly the sort of statement Im talking about.

What? (and be precise) does "winning" look like ... according to you.

They occupied the country ffs, they take whatever they want, they kill whoever they want .... but according to you, thats not "winning". Lord thunderin' !

What do they have to do to win, .... kill every last man woman and child! Bulldoze every mosque and burn every copy of the koran! (and even then, you still would claim they "lost").

So please explain to me, and be precise, exactly what conditions are neccessary for you to conceed that the US has in fact achieved victory.

>>529938422
>they keep bombing generals and bases until the national army gives up
>it becomes a decentralized insurgency

>>529939476
Both Vietnam and Afghanistan were fucking disasters that ultimately lead to nothing burgers. Afghanistan alone was like 20 years and over 2 trillion dollars wasted. So it doesn't even make a difference if they assassinate some raghead figurehead or blow up a nuke site. Mutts will lose economically, anyway.

>>529938357
Tell me a good reason a ground invasion is even needed, Israel and Saudi Arabia throwing a fit and us going along with it was already 1. retarded and 2. has likely crippled the little military assets they even have left at this point after so many "pre emptive self defense" strikes from Israel prior.
The supposed grand finale was tonight, they got their regime change, we have no reason at all to be there anymore except for control of even more oil and more important "because Kikes and Saudis said we need to be".
TL:DR - We win by not.

>>529938399
because u need to be a good goy and die for israel

>>529939988
i've never seen glowies use canadian flags before

>>529938357
The US literally has nothing to gain from the war, so they can win it at any time by just leaving. But they won't

>>529938357
They don't want to win they want to distract people before the midterms. Trump is aiming to extend for a third term and trying to start as many wars/destabilize the world as much as possible.
>Current goal is to force China to take Taiwan or engage in some form of warfare
>Then Trump uses emergency war powers to stay in power until wars wrap up
>Wars will never wrap up and he will die in office

>>529940448
If Iran stopped being NK with their "I'm gonna do it! I'm gonna do it!!oooh boy black smoke! Black flag! War pinky ring! Watch out! The straight is ours!" They wouldn't be getting their colon crushed right now

>>529938422
>iran
>until the national army gives up

Same error Bibi and Trump are making: attacking the secular power structure of Iran is good for shit n giggles. But the real power is elsewhere. And these days it's not even the Supreme Leader anymore, that is just some insta-martyr waiting for his turn.

Note they used the second son for this post. The firstborn is needed for more important matters.

>>529939615
>occupy and rebuild countries since Korea.
why should they occupy and rebuild anything? let them figure it out.
The americans don't care who is runnin Iran right now .... they know who's NOT running it anymore. Thats all that matters.
According to you, for victory to be declared, not only must America invade and occupy the country, but they must also rebuild it and install a friendly regime.
Thats laughable. Did the romans rebuild Judea? Did the Russians rebuild Germany? Did Genghis Khan rebuild Bejing?
MAybe America has finally figured it out. Rebuilding Germany made sense after WW2, because they have potential. but islamic republics only understand one thing. It makes alot more sense to go in, break things and leave .... let them clean up the mess, maybe they will finally get the message.

Like I said, doesnt matter whos runnin things in Iran now, we know whos not running thins anymore. And if the next guy does the same shit, then we go back in five years, wreck the place again. Sooner or later, they'll figure it out.

>>529940611
>Did the romans rebuild Judea
yes right now they are

>>529938422
>pretend to negotiate with country
>kill countries leadership in surprise attack while they debate your negotiation offer
>kill their religious leader during their holy month
>kill 150 elementary school girls
You just proved without a doubt that you cannot be trusted. Why should they negotiate a surrender with you, when they can instead set the middle east on fire?
Trump will lose the midterms in the bigliest way possible. Independants hate this war. Democrats hate it and even Republican support is not great. Newsome already called Israel an appartheid state, because he can see the sentiment changing. All Iran has to do is keep Hormus closed for as long as possible and wait till congress stops this. There is a very real chance that Trump will get impeached.

>>529938357
We already won.

>>529938854
>Kurds are on the ground to fight with US support.
Kurds deny being on the ground to fight with US support.

Some purely Iranian Kurdish outfits did not deny it, but these are bit players among the Kurds, with MEQ- or Hamas-grade combat value or less probably, and no experience whatsoever in such large-scale ops. Poeple hear "Kurds" and start creaming, but the Kurds in question are literally the rejects no major Kurdish group gave a fuck about.

Meanwhile, loose lips at the very top of the US chain of command have made at least two Kurdish bases in Iraq eat Iranian missiles and/or drones.

>>529940256
Vietnam spent the next fifty years in abject poverty, much like Cuba. And in the end, they wound up another sweat shop for cheap goods for America.

Afghanistan is being run by the CIA. The current leader of the Taliban is a CIA operative! Hibatullah Akhundzada is the only man to have ever been released from Gitmo, and he mysteriously appeared in Afghanistan two years later, led a rebel army (that was never challenged by american forces) and is the current ruler of afghanistan.

Who do you think the Americans are goin to send to run Afhanistan, a catholic!?

Yeah but they lost.

2 trillion you say. You dont get it yet. The US Dollar is the worlds reserve currency. The Americans can tax the world, and all they have to do is print more money. American "inflation" is a tax the world pays!

>>529938875
Totally not, but they'll still try.

To be precise, they will try what they tried around 1985, but this time with drones.

>>529938357
Two words: Azerbaijan

>>529938553
Libya.

Of course the rebels served as the ground troops thoughbeit

>>529939988
Something that does not cause the country to turn into an Iranian puppet at the first opportunity.

Remember Ahmed Chalabi?

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>>529940412
>Lord thunderin' !
That was a new one to me. But yeah.

Picture is unrelated because I suck cock.

>>529938422
they just need the irgc to give up the national army is still its own entity in parts, you basically just need to create a vaccum and then stop giving a fuck

>>529941299
Another CIA operative who went sideways and was greased. America doesnt give a shit who runs things in any of these shitholes. They dont care how corrupt they are, as long as they pump that oil cheap, thats all that matters. And thats exactly the right attitude too, because you cant trust any of them, and we dont need to trust them, they will never be our friends, they will never be allies. The very ideology that underpins thier society is antitheical to western thinking.

And you know what, thats fine too. I respect that, they have a different way of seein things. I dont care who they pray too. We dont need anymore "friends". What we need is for them to stop attacking our shipping.

The Houthis fucking with ships was what really did this btw. Its not about Israel, its not about nukes, though that plays into it. But read history, the surest way to get America to notice you is to fuck with thier ships.

>>529938549
>You can't force a regime change with bombing runs alone
Worked in Libya, Serbia, Syria, and arguably Japan.

>>529941227
What? No! Lybia was a shit show and the whole reason we are in this mess.
If Obama hadn't bombed Lybia we could have avoided all of the war that happend in the middle east since 2011.

>>529938357
Put the Shah back in power. Find a safe corner for him to start building his power base in. Tell the Iranians that any town/city that flies his flag will be treated as allies and protected from Israeli attacks.
>Impossible mode: kikes are inbred schizos with an insane revenge fantasy who are going to attack everyone anyway. But the Shah is really the only option we have left. Put him on the throne ASAP.

>>529940256
I wouldn’t say that Afghanistan led to nothing, the mountain of debt the US piled on certainly didn’t help their economy. Iran is poised to make that look like a fucking joke.

>>529938801
They don't need to surrender. They just need to agree to a cessation of hostilities. If the Shah is given global recognition, including by Russia and China, some sort of deal would be possible.

>>529938896
>mossad is deeeeep in children's sexual exploitation and trafficking.
Ftfy. Israel is the problem here you idiot. Mossad is just the armed wing of their organized crime services. Their only strength comes from the sayanim network and those people are extremely vulnerable to coercion or conversion.

>>529941955
Did not really. Japan surrendered because the russians were invading Kuril Islands, which were soverign japanese soil.
Until the very end 9/10 japanese soldiers and supplies went to manchuria, not the pacific front.
Russia was Japans foremost concern and enemy since 1894, and the Japanese fought 3 wars of russian containment in1895, 1905 and 1931.
The last one morphed into WW2.

>>529941955
They already did regime change. Khomeini is dead. Next up, his kid. We will see if hes smarter then hsi father, or if he goes into a pine box too.

There is no "deal" that can be made with Islam. I am forever astounded by how naive so many so called "educated" people are. Islam is a complete system. And it is completely at odds with our method of seeing the world, with the most core and basic western ideas. We simply do not hold the same truths.

And its ok. Dont get me wrong. They can have thier system. They wanna live under some 12th century religious bullshit, good for them. We need to stop caring. We seem to think it is neccessary for us to explain to barbarians why the Earth in fact travels around the sun, and we dont. All we need is thier oil, and we should be willin to pay them a fair price. Otherwise build a fence around them, and if they fuck with us, just bomb them back to the 12th century.

Sooner or later, they will wake up and ditch thier crazy religion.

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>>529940449
>They don't want to win they want to distract people before the midterms.
You'll always find a "distraction". But that presumes Trump's brain works like a human brain.

It is more likely that the "distractions" are the main act, every time and any time, because Trump is in a perpetual state of distraction:

Has he ever uttered the word "Reza" in the last 48 hours?

Or "Ukraine", til circumstances forced him to beg Volodymyr for halp plz?

Trump's mind just does random walks, and like every pampered 3yo he wants whatever he happens to want RIGHT NOW and if he won't get it, he'll throw a hissy for a day or two and then forget he ever wanted it.

Same like when he gets what he wants. He plays around with his gains for a bit, and then discards them for some new shiny bauble that happens to fixate his gaze.

Trying to figure sense or logic into it is pareidolila.

Consider the BCG(N)-"1" USS Defiant.
The project drawings are clearly done by someone with no clue about capital ship design.
But they're treated as 100% serious, and shitloads of money are to be spent thereon.
One can ponder what this is supposed to distract from, and with a swine like Trump one will always find something.

But AFAICT the truth is just this:
He looked at Ticonderogas and thought "boy are these fugly."

And that thought got stuck til he actually talked some poor devil into designing him his wondership.

And they didn't even check out USN naming conventions, or the fact that the BCG-1 code was already used and hence not available, and that "Defiant" is a port tug, minesweeper or auxiliary name in the USN; these things are not even "doing your homework", they're "shit you simply know if you do this job".

But in Team Trump, nobody knows, or cares to know.

Or consider Machado.
BOY DID SHE GET BURNED.
But again, no distraction from anything, just Trump's usual modus operandi: "discard after use".

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>>529940611
>Did the romans rebuild Judea?
Picrel.

>>529942426
I said "arguably" for Japan because there was indeed a lot of fighting on the islands, but it's peak retardation to think Russians taking some abandoned outposts, and not nuclear bombs, was what caused the Japs to surrender.

>>529942748
retard

the whole thing is a pysop. Rusia did this in the 1960s ... announced a "super battleship", to try and get teh americans to waste money on an arms race that doesnt exist. no serious person with even an inkling of armed warships takes this design seriously. Trump knows that.

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>>529938357
>So how does the US actually win without a ground invasion?
By bombing the shit out of them and killing their leaders one after another until they give up and start playing nice (don't threaten Israel every 10s, open the strait, and pump cheap oil for USA and their ME allies). It's actually stupidly simple and will be achieved very soon.

The point is to cause the country to fall into total chaos like Syria and Libya with a dozen different factions at war for control of the country. Israel doesn't need the us to invade for that, it just needs to destroy the desalination plants.

>Keep killing leaders
>eventually they will choose acceptable leaders that don't need to be bombed
seems to be the idea but somehow I doubt it will work out like this
Israel is insanely cocky with this strategy but somehow I don't think you can just bomb fucking everyone

>>529942895
Yeah and you know Titus actually worked the kikes to death, literally tearin down every last fucking stone of thier temple and buildin a monument to Jupiter or whatever. He had them dig up the fuckin foundation blocks and move them. Then he turned the old temple site into an open cesspool and garbage dump!

He rebuilt it alright! Literally de-constructed every last fuckin piece of it, moved it across the river and turned the old temple mount into a garbage dump for the roman army! And forced Kikes to do the work, while being whipped beaten and starved.

But hey, the roman army was pretty hardcore.

>>529942923
it was all of the above

>>529938357
there has never been an regime change enforced only by air.

Americans will need to go to Iran, and once there... Well, enjoy the next 20 years of homeless factory.

>>529938548
You had to run away from the fucking Houthis earlier.

>>529940958
Simple solution: don't emerge to fire. Use drones to keep the chokepoint choked and enjoy le economic garbage fire.

Let Chinese-flagged ships pass ofc.

If the USN tries to force the straits, do a speedboat kamikaze zergrush.

US voters will want to see lasting results in this war against a country that was supposedly "smashed" a mere half-year ago.

>>529941955
> Syria
Rebel forces backed and trained by Turkey, preceded by a 10 year civil war that destabilized the entire region
> Libya
Created civil war, little to no control over whichever warlord is warring
> Serbia
Did not cause regime change, Milosevic was ousted 1.5 years after the bombing because he tried to rig elections

if these are your "positive" examples of causing regime change by bombing, then imagine how bad it will get in Iran which is much larger, much more unified and more idiologized than any of these countries. The only results from this will be a CIA-driven civil war and millions of refugees, thanks mutts

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>>529942923
Aw, come on! Keep it civil! I am too.
The bomb surely were a huge factor, but the soviet invasion of manchuria was the final straw. This is the Gar Alperovitz thesis and the most suported by historians.
We will probably never know 100% because for that you had to be in the heads of the emperor and whoever had the upper hand in the power struggle that particular week in the japanese cabinet.

I made an error: the Kurils were taken days AFTER the emperor surrenderd)

>pic related

>>529938357
Keep killing the new leader until the guy you like is all that's left

>>529938357
The USA literally doesn’t win. There is nobody in Iran you can negotiate peace with. They’ve intentionally divided their power into numerous independent factions all with equal authority. The war doesn’t end until the United States leaves them alone. That’s it.

>>529940970
>Democrats hate it
And yet one (D) senator voted against calling it off.
Don't underestimate how much the US political scene suck Jewish cocks on both sides of the aisle.

>>529938422
>they keep bombing generals and bases until the national army gives up
When has that ever happened?

>>529938357

Reality is than they cannot win without sending huge ground army to Iran and without getting heavy losses.

>>529941954
>Its not about Israel
Gonna need a nose check

>>529938422
basically fuck canada
your lesser culture
fuck zionism
fuck babylon
fuck the new world order
fuck globalism
fuck paganism
fuck your crusade
fuck masons
fuck the occult
fuck the un
fuck nato
fuck everything you stand for

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>>529940987
You will be already wonning for up to 8 months.

MAGA top dogs: "This is far from over."
MAGA cattle: "ITS OVER WE WON."

Every. Fucking. Day. It's as predictable and tedious as the daily dose of IRGC AI slop copium.

Ever heard the following quote:
Comincionsi le guerre quando altri vuole,
MA
NON
QUANDO
ALTRI
VUOLE
SI
FINISCONO,
you bunch of absolute morons?

In other news, reliable witnesses swear they have seen picrel doing la palme-au-face.

>>529938422
>bombing generals
lol
lmao

>>529943085
> killing their leaders one after another until they give up and start playing nice
childs like understanding of the middle east here. If the mullahs were willing to do any of that, they'd have done that years ago. The Iranian revolution is a mass movement centered on the very idea of opposing israel and on their flavour of islam, not a single guy you can kill and then everyone starts being westernized democrats simping for hollywood and american bases in their country. Retard.

>>529943569
yeah but the only 'economic garbage fire" is the chinese economy.

the US is a net exporter of oil. and canada and venezuala are now rampin up production to meet the new demand.

the whole thing trump is doing is a game long in the making, and the objective is not Iran, but China.

hes coming after Canada next btw. He needs to close the back door, before he goes after Mexico and the cartels and shuts down the fentanyl trafficking.

and why is shutting down the fentanyl trafficking so important. because China is the worlds largest and most prolific drug trafficking oranization. And much like the CIA in the 80's and 90's, China has learned of the vast sums of untraceable cash that can be had through drug trafficking. they use this cash to fund foreign influence operations and pay off their spy rings everywhere on earth. all the penetrations of western tech, universities, funding foreign influencers, politiicians etc etc etc .... its all funded through drug trafficking. Trump has to shut this down. organizations like the "Chinese united front" are receiving these payments, and funneling it to (mainly) democratic politicians.

Its all about shuttin down China, showing them to be toothless feckless allies that cant be relied on.

Hes gonna fuck Canada through the CUSMA negotitations and close the back door. Then hes going after the drug cartels.

This is the American geo-political strategic re-aligment strategy.

>>529938399
Regime loyalists are armed while the royalists and secularists are not. They wont be able to take over. The bombings are not as precise as the media want you to believe and Bazaari are being killed. Israel is also clearly targetting schools full of children. USA needs presence if they goal is to completely subjucate Iran and drag it to the west. Otherwise we will get ISIS with college degrees. And another migration crisis in Europe.

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>>529941954
>Another CIA operative who went sideways and was greased.
Not... quite.

Another Iranian asset who duped the CIA into thinking he was on their payroll so he could grift from the US treasury, it has since turned out.

>America doesnt give a shit who runs things in any of these shitholes.
Fidel Castro dice muchas gracias, es una isla bonita y la conservará hasta que muera.

>>529943618
stop taking the "refugees" ... which oddly all seem to be military aged men, who fled a war .... ie "cowards". Why any country would want more cowards I cant imagine. Canada of course is just as bad as germany in this regard.

Other then the refugees, who gives a fuck if Iran descends into a civil war. That sounds like a problem for the Iranians to sort out (and Im sure they will).

>>529942115
>Put the Shah back in power.
The what?

The thing that Trump suddenly stopped mentioning, as he turned to the Kurds as his new stooges du jour?

I would love to see what would happen today if you'd shout REZA SHAH in downtown Tehran. Let's make it a bit more interesting and assume no basij within earshot, but plenty of civies.

I know 2, possibly 3 exile oppos (and I knew only 5 altogether) who hate this guy now with a vengeance. Less than a week ago, they idolized him.

This is what happens when one does the deliverus interruptus for the lulz.

>>529938357
>So how does the US actually win
Same as all others US victories: change the definition of victory until it fit what happened.

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>>529944469
> hurr durr just ignore that powerful jewish NGOs and jewish owned media outlets and leftists + american and isreali jews will invetably pressure the german government to do, and stop taking them
fuck off, how about not creating civil wars instead of intentionally creating muzzie refugees for jewish interests that jews then direct to europe?

>>529944323
The CIA probably knew he was an Iranian asset. They dont care as long as he does what they need done, and he only lasted a year. when he wouldnt (or couldnt) do what they wanted done, they broomed him. The iranians didnt get any significant counter intelligence from him. Hes another bit player. And its more then likely the CIA (or the Iraqis) eventually got him with poison, but who knows.

>>529938422
I hate you because of the little flag above your post.

>>529939988
And they left, filling corps and politicians pockets in the process, leaving because it was financially untenable, ie LOST. Deal with it, Canada is a brown shit hole anyway, becoming Indian faster than America is turning wetback. Enjoy your third world turdhole.

>>529938549
>You can't force a regime change with bombing runs alone. Short of a ground invasion serving as an occupying force, it just isn't feasible.
That’s because you’re using the logical, factual definition of “regime change” rather than the Jewish definition. The former implies that a new regime is installed. The latter just means the current regime is dismantled and a power vacuum created and filled by criminal gangs.

Chaos is the goal. If there’s no centralized power in Iran then Israel maintains localized hegemony.

This theory fits every actual reason for the war: MIC contracts, oil interests, the heroin trade, Trumps dealings in Saudi Arabia, greater Israel, and even evangelical doomsday prophecy all fit with the chaos theory.

So when the Jewish White House says “regime change,” they’re just using a different definition than what a normal, reasonable person understands the term to mean.

>>529944903
thats right, start ignoring them. elect politicians who refuse to allow more refugees into Germany. fight for your country.

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>>529938801
>they’re religious fanatics
No shit?

>>529945212
next election is 2029. Iran rapefugees can be here by next week.

>>529943809
Pretty much every war for 200 years now?

>>529940970
The one conflict they love gooning over was only won because they lied about wanting a ceasefire and as soon as the guns went silent they attacked all of the neighbouring states. You cannot trust them in any matter, even in business for they are like their father and lie like their life depends on it everyday.

>>529944315
>Regime loyalists are armed while the royalists and secularists are not.
Handgun permits are easy to come by in Tehran actually. Hi capacity hand guns are allowed for home defense in Iran.

>>529940970
>have shitskin expat in germany shill against you with lies

>>529943442
The more I hear about Rome the more I know that it was fucking based. Hitler was too soft on them and they know it, nobody ever questions how badass Rome was but muh notsees are evil because they didn’t kill any Jews? Lol it’s all beginning to become clear

>>529941227
Libya was a mistake because you jew fucks seethed at the fact they were going to use their own currency.

>>529945161
OK

So, what are the conditions under which you would conceed an American victory, and be specific. Lets all have a laugh at your ridiculous assumptions.

>>529945181
>That’s because you’re using the logical, factual definition of “regime change” rather than the Jewish definition.

No. Its not the jewish definition of regime change, its a mobsters definition.

"Whos running things in Chicago now?"

"Dont know, dont care .... I know whos NOT running things in Chicago anymore!"

And this is PRECISELY the attitude that has been required in the Middle East for the last six decades. Its the only attitude the arabs understand. The problems in all these countries is foundational, it is Islam itself that is the problem, and we cant fix that. What we can do is make sure they understand not to fuck with us, or they die.

Its how we dealt with the barbary pirates ... and they stopped fucking with us.

Personally, ithink Islam is born of the climate and the geography of the region, it is the arab way of thinking. They only respect strength and violence. And thats OK, its thier way. We need to stop dealing with them on OUR terms, and start dealing with them on THEIR terms. Terms they understand.

>>529943072
>Rusia did this in the 1960s ... announced a "super battleship",
"K-1000", I know. But that was a PLAUSIBLE fake. They actually put a bunch of engineers to the job to ensure the "leaks" were believable, that every bit of "hard data" was in line with what NATO expected.

>Trump knows that.
I'd love to see you tell Trump that his Defiant is not to be taken seriously. Vid or it didn't happen.

If you know your USN shit, you know why the only logical name for a believable fake of a US "battleship" project would be "USS Montana".

This is not some 23d chess, Anon.

A vain grifter's gotta grift and grandstand; that's all there is.

I think what happens is everyone tells Trump he is very smart and congratulates him on his well executed plan, and then he gets the validation he was looking for and turns his attention elsewhere (it will also help if he has some "great deals" to announce out of it). However, I think Iran isn't going to just let this one go, so Trump will be forced to come back to it later in the year.

>>529945553
>The more I hear about Rome the more I know

Yeah man, you should read some ancient history. Start with Marcus Aurelius and Cicero. The Romans were WANGHAF. They were hard core mother fuckers. Read about Hannibal and the Punic wars.

>>529938357
You see. They are the living proof that two stroke two cylinder engine is the perfect engine.

>>529940958
>the US won, all they have to do is keep circling all the bases forever!
Great plan mr. Hegseth

>>529944229
Oh boy. So much to unpack.

>hes coming after Canada next btw. He needs to close the back door, before he goes after Mexico

Would that be before, during or after 69ing Infantino this summer?

>>529945746
>Its not the jewish definition of regime change, its a mobsters definition.
same thing retard, jewish is more accurate though.

>>529942201
that guy won't last even a year until they hang him up to dry

>>529946408
they'll just cave in the entrances

>>529943569
>Simple solution: don't emerge to fire. Use drones to keep the chokepoint choked and enjoy le economic garbage fire.
Hey retard. Why do you think the drones are magically able to avoid getting blown up when they get pulled out of storage like the missiles are?

>>529946445
Not sure what you mean?

But to close down Chinas ability to finance its influence operations and spy rings around the world means shutting down the fentanyl trade. Shuttin down the rins is important, they are not just stealin alot of tech stuff, but they are actively embeddin themselves in governments. in canada that would uys like Micheal Mah and Senator Wong, wing or whatever the fuck his name is. The vancouver mayor, david Eby ... these guys are all financed by the Chinks, even Justin Trudeau.

And some of them are knowin, but many are unwittin dupes (like Justin). If you finance a retard and get him elected, he is sure to do alot fo damage, and in Justins case he did. They finance groups like Antifa and climate change wackos and refugee nos etc etc etc.

Canada is the back door. The cartels have made lare inroads here. We are the primary center for money launderin operations for drug cartels. In fact just last december the worlds larest ever fine (1.4 billion) was handed out to a canadian bank (TD Bank) for knowingly laundering drug money from cartels. The liberal government in canada likes to pretend they dont know whats oing "What drugs, Canada doesnt export drugs" ... but the fact is we do, and its alot. The largest drug shipments ever seized in Austrailia and Japan both originated from canada. We may not ship to the US, but we ship all around the pacific.

Trump has to close that door to the cartels. He can do that through the CUSMA negotiations. Hes going to topple Carneys government otherwise.

Mark my words bro ... Canada, then Mexico, then China is up next. Hes going to use the military to go after the cartels too btw. And hes goin after Cuba as well, he needs to close that door too, but that is already happening.

>>529938357
Depends on the iranian will to resist, if they have the will they will win with or without a US ground invasion. This is a deeply unpopular war of choice for the US and existential for Iran. The democrats already tried to vote to end the conflict, if the conflict is still ongoing after the midterms they could have significantly more leverage. War is always a contest of will and atm US simply lacks it, remains to be seen if iranians also lack it

>>529938357
nuke the entire thing

>>529946575
either way, who cares. its the correct method. its the only way the arabs understand. peace deals mean nothin to them, its just a chance to re-arm.

this is the right way. go in, shock and awe, smash the fuckin place, kill a whole wack of them, kill their leaders, and then leave. no fucks given. whos runnin Iran, .... dont know, dont care, I know whos not runnin Iran anymore. no boots on the ground, no long drawn out war. no chance for them to even retaliate. no time spent "re-building democracy".

we dont need to "fix" the middle east. let the other arabs sort it out ... and they will too, thier way. Let the Iranians sort out Iran.

>>529939202
Yeah what you kikes did in Gaza is truly awful.

>>529938357
They can’t realistically
Maybe they can come to some sort of embarrassing ceasefire (which is genuinely the smart option) but if they want to continue they WILL invade out of necessity.

>>529947232
what are you talking about. they've already lost. their navy is destroyed, their air force is vaporized. all they've got left is missiles and chud launchers. adn we are shooting those down. they didnt stand a chance. khomaini is dead, along with most of his general staff.

whos next. his kid? ok, we kill him too then.

the one mistake we always make is going in, "boots on the ground". this gives them the war they need, the only chance they will ever have to kill an american. Trump is the first president to get this. No ground troops, no war on the ground. No american soldiers to die. For once I agree with Trump on how to do this. Ive been sayin it for years. no more "hearts and minds". fuck that shit. just fuckin bomb them from 60000 feet!

We cant take over Iran. We cant "fix" it ... but we can break it. and we can break it again and again and again if neccessary. and we can keep breaking it until they get the fucking message!

>>529943085
>don't threaten Israel every 10s
>"LEAVE BRITN- ISRAEL ALONE!!!!!"
Goodest shabbos goy

>kill the leadership
The “leadership” is dispersed and able to replace itself
>ferment an internal rebellion
The Liberal protestors have been killed already, minorities are either unmotivated or ineffective, they would need a lot og support.
>fragment the country
Doubtful if this is possible without an invasion, and this would be absolutely awful for the middle east which would also destroy American global power and economy


Every “plan” is stupid, an invasion will be necessary and it will be a disaster.
America is weak right now and every option besides just getting out ASAP and abandoning Israel is bad.

>>529948150
> they've already lost.
Then why isn’t the war over?

>>529938854
The Christians in the US are literally an apocalypse cult.

>>529939988
>So please explain to me, and be precise, exactly what conditions are neccessary for you to conceed that the US has in fact achieved victory.
Why do we have to be precise and exact when our government never is? We never got straightforward answers on what victory looks like in Iraq or Afghanistan and we don't even have it now with Iran.
>They can't have a nuke!
There's no reason to think they're working toward one and they said they blew up all Iranian capacity to do so in the 12 Day War not even a year ago, they can't just use that reason over again. What are we trying to do here? Regime change? If so why isn't there a regime to change to? If that was the goal why isn't there even a tentative plan for how to do it?

I'll call these wars losses because all of them made the world worse and hurt my country, with the only perceivable beneficiaries being arms manufacturers and Israel. That's a big fat L in my book.

>>529947885
>they WILL invade out of necessity.

Nope.

No invasions. It gives them exactly what they want ... an american serviceman they can shoot. Why give them that? Why hand them what they would otherwise have to cross an ocean to achieve!

Just keep bombing them. Turn Iran into an open air firing range for testing weapons until the Iranian people rise up and take back their country. We now have hundreds of planes loiterin over the country just lookin for targets. The B52s have also arrived, left last night accross the atlantic. Just fuckin bomb them right back to the 12th century.

We should start targetting infrastructure, dams, electricity, power grid, oil refineries etc etc etc. Shut them down! They will run out of missiles long before we do.

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>>529948150
>just fuckin bomb them from 60000 feet!
>We cant take over Iran. We cant "fix" it ... but we can break it. and we can break it again and again and again if neccessary. and we can keep breaking it until they get the fucking message!

>>529938801
They surrendered on the 27th of February

That's why Israel attacked them on the 28th. It is literally impossible for them to Surrender at this point because Israel will just kill anyone sent to negotiate

>>529939476
>weak and toothless
>oy vey, goyim, please send us more interceptors!

>>529948445
>Why do we have to be precise and exact
because you keep moving the goalposts!

The Us army occupied afghanistan for twenty fuckin years, killing anyone they wanted too, and you claim they lost! (as an example, of the ridiculous bullshit).

How many years do they have to occupy the country, literally puttin whoever they want in charge, killing anyone they want. 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, 100 years .... or do they have to literally killl every man woman and child, tear up the roads and bulldoze every city .

what ridiculous level of bullshit are you going to claim must be achieved before they are victorious!

>>529948445
its not about the nukes, youre right about that. they dont help of course. no this is, and always was, about shipping. i said that earlier in the thread. the iranians armed the houthis and supplied them with missiles that impacted worlds shippin fleets.

you (and im makin ana ssumption here) think this is all about Israel and nukes .... its not.

its about international shipping. its about the bretton woods agreement. its why the US dollar is the worlds reserve currency. because the US has made a simple agreeement with the world .... we all use the US dollar, and the US military keeps the worlds trade routes open ... garanteed.

Trump keeps runnin his mouth about how the US is protecting Canada, protecting Europe, etc etc etc.... well hes right. But we all pay the US to do this. We pay them because by being the worlds reserve currency they have the ability to tax the world. and they can do that simply by printing money. America exports its inflation, to the world, because we all hold US greenbacks.

When the houthis threatenned shippin in the red sea, the fate of Iran was sealed. Bretton woods activated!

forinstance ... Canada holds approximately 400 billion US dollars in reserve. The US inflation rate is 2%. Therfore the US government has taxed canada approx 8 billion dollars last year. simply by printing money.

>>529938357
>So how does the US actually win without a ground invasion?

Our greatest ally does false flag killing 1000 Americans. Their cousins in the media cry nonstop about evil aggression. AIPAC tells the Congress if they want to keep their job they have to stay in the war.

Police can just shoot the antisemitic protestors or lock them in cages, freeze their accounts, get them fired, etc...

>>529938548
If American bunker busters worked as well as claimed, Iran's missile/drone bases would be destroyed already

>>529938854
Kurdish involvement in the war has so far been denied by both Iran and various Kurdish leaders

"Kurdish ground troops" seems like it might be just a demoralization psy-op. If it was true, American/Israeli press wouldn't be broadcasting it

>>529941955
There were large amounts of ground troops in Libya and Syria, however they were mostly sourced locally or from other muslim countries

Serbia's current head of state is one of Milosevic's lieutenants

>>529938357
This war is not designed to be won, and there there is no way for the US to win it. The US is finished as a nation, and this is their final act of destruction before their inevitable collapse. Their debt is unsustainable, their population is completely divided, and their usefulness to ZOG had run its course. This is them salting the earth before they go away for good.
I am not hyperbolic, and I do not hate the American people. This is just the writing on the wall.