>ALERT!!!! TRINITY DOCTRINE NOT FOUND IN THE CHRISTIAN BIBLEChristians, explain yourselves.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o4Nv6PUKgg
>>530012317The way cuckstains explain this is “im a retard polytheist”
Trinity was Catholic Algebra class 1700 years before school was invented. You teach the kids the transitive property of name, identity and function.Today you get those exact same messages, but you have to go for your college degree in logic, mathematics, statistics, probability, set theory, precalculus, algebra of a single variable, then multiple variables.Trinity was just a class on how to make structures of truth isolation so that when you work them, truth goes in, more new truth comes out.These Frosty Kikes saying it's not about God in the right way, you can fuck off right back home to russia, where your Bolshevik ancestors came from.
Trinity is how the Sanhedrin was able to defeat rome with the age-old Christ Routine, he fooled them all haha, then they all died. Checkmate Christians, Jewish Supremacy is the standard.
>>530012317>no goyim! God didnt already come back!>you have to go die for israel so the messiah can show upfuck im so tired of kikes at this point, it's unreal
>>530012317There are plenty of targums showing jewish priests and theologians believed God was multipersonal before Jesus. Passages like Genesis 1:2, passages like where the LORD rains down fire on Sodom from the LORD.They only rejected that AFTER Jesus, specifically to reject Jesus.The Bible is clear - the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. It's also clear that Jesus is not the Father, the Holy Spirit is not the Father, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.That's the doctrine of the Trinity. One God, 3 persons.
>>530012317Oy vey, let me use the Talmud to interpret the Bible from my post-Christian intented Judaism point of view.
Just ditch the Bible and embrace Platonism fully, hypostases actually make sense in the context of Platonic metaphysics.I don't understand the obsession of trying to forcefully fit the sophisticated Platonic system into a Hebrew box that is too small and too lackluster to do it justice.
>>530012317Isaac Newton was the man who wrote the most about this in English. Isaac Newton was the greatest Christian of the last 500 years. He also prophesized that Israel would return before 2060 (however, whether or not it would remain, was not clear)
>>530012643>t. Plebbit spacing faggot
>>530012913JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH, AND HE DID NOT TEACH THE TRINITYTHE TRINITY WAS A CORRUPTION INTRODUCED CENTURIES AFTER JESUSJEWS CORRUPTED THE CHURCH AND PACIFIED THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS
>>530012562You have a mind, body and soul. God also has a mind, body and soul it’s really not that complicated.
>>530012317So you’re saying the Mormons are right?
>>530012317JEWS WILL DEVOTE THEIR ENTIRE LIVES TO DENYING CHRIST INSTEAD OF READING THE BOOK OF ISAIAIH AND REALISING JESUS WAS THE FULFILMENT OF THE MESSIANISTIC PROPHECY OF ISAIAH AND CANNOT BE DENIEDISAIAH SAID THE KING WOULD SPREAD THE COMMANDMENTS TO THE ENTIRE WORLD. JESUS DID THAT 2000 YEARS AGO. JUDAISM IS OVER ALL JUDAISM IS THE REJECTION OF GOODDENYING CHRIST MEANS DENYING THE WORLDJEWS WOULD RATHER NUKE THE WORLD THAN ADMIT JESUS WAS THEIR KINGWHEN JESUS RETURNS, ISRAEL WILL ATTEMPT TO NUKE THE WORLD
>>530012317Matthew 28:19, Proverbs 30:4, Genesis 1: 1-2, John 1:1-5, John 16:7
>>530014263Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32, Jesus does not know the final hour.
>>530014510And? God the Father is bodiless, while God the Son is incarnate.
>>530013571God isnt a man
>>530013587>the Mormons are right?honestly, out of all the denominations the mormons probably understand scripture the best. they're incredibly hostile to catholics, and will hilariously lose their shit about constantine if you push thembut, they can't just let the jesus myth go and spirate into absolute retardationgod created mormons so christians would finally understand what jews have been upset about for 2000 years
>>530012317Biblical authority and exegesis is a heretical protestant larp with zero theological validity. Dumb bible thumpers akchually argue numerous and contradictory oral gospels, which were never written down for 100 years, and then politically condensed into an ‘authoritative” scripture, in various languages, mistranslated from Aramaic to Greek to Latin over and over again, until a english version was created, and then abridged and annotated dozens of different interpretative ways is “the word of god” (a idea Islam came up with).No wonder you wound understand the sublime theology of the Trinity.
>>530013851>INSTEAD OF READING THE BOOK OF ISAIAIH AND REALISING JESUS WAS THE FULFILMENT OF THE MESSIANISTIC PROPHECY OF ISAIAH AND CANNOT BE DENIEDwhat, isaiah 53? you gonna do the 'suffering servant' bit? who is speaking in isaiah 53?
>>530012317We in two different dimensions my boy. No war over here dog. Ascend with me bros.
>>530013851based post
>>530012317It's tradition. The Bible isn't all there is to Christianity.
>>530012317Easy. It was the result of democratic voting in the Roman Empire.Transvestite men being called woman and competing in women's sports is the same thing.Both were deemed truth and proper by a small group of people hidden away from the common man who voted on whether or not their religious beliefs were the Truth.See how both are working out?
>>530012562Ummm according to the Bible, Jews were polytheistic for most history. They believed other gods existed or had pagan gods that God disavowed but they didn't care.Today Jews just worship themselves or are agnostic. That's worse.
Neither is the Sephirot. But the Trinity is inspired by Aristotlean metaphysics while Kabbala is just an unconscious admission that YHWH is a fictional demiurge because the spheres of kabbala all coincide with aspects of the humam mind.And cmon, the SPHERES of God? Obviously inspired by babylonian star worship. fake and jewish bullshit, the torah is fake and was written no later than 200 B.C
I don't care about the devil yahwe/allah/"""god""" or the devil jesus. It's all a scam. No gods exists, but people should at least choose good goods and not psycho terrorists like yahwe or counterproductive ones like jesus, who says to love thy enemies and to forgive everyone.
>>530012317Not sure if I care, but:1 John 5:6-8:>“This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.>For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.>And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
>>530012317The Trinity is a Helenistic philosophical idea and pagan belief. Not a Biblical teaching. We know this because of the definitions used to describe it: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. The word hypostatic union comes from hypostasis. It is a philosophical idea from Helenistic Greek Philosophy. The Trinity can only be supported with pagan doctrine. These terms and beliefs are not found in the Bible but in Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras. The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.The definitions of the Trinity itself: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, persons, hypostatic union are from Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras all taught these centuries before Jesus was born. Just trace "hypostatic union" on Wikipedia. It goes straight back to Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism.Think about this: If I started using word like "Means of Labor," "bourgeoisie," "proletariat," "Base and superstructure" and called myself a Libertarian you'd all cry foul and accuse me of being a Marxist and Communist. Why? Because all my terminology used to describe "Libertarian" ideology is all Marxist in nature. You would all call me a fraud.Why not with the Trinty? That's where the entire definition of the Trinity comes from. None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the Bible. It all comes from Greek Philosophy, Stoicism, Hindus, and Pagans.
>>530012317Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the Tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESNI-FvFyQThe Bible wasn't written by Jews. Moses was not from the Tribe of Judah, nor did he practice the Talmud, so he wasn't a Jew.
>>530012317False. It's right here in the third book of Genesis. That is, the same Genesis of the Torah that Jews claim to follow.This alone should be proof enough to anyone that Jews do not follow their own Bible at all and they really do the work of satan.
>>530014725God made a man in his own image so you're wrong
>>530012317i actually wont listen to or watch a disgusting rat faced heeb talk about anything, ever.
>>530012317like niggers jews are retarded....this one line defines the trinity...genesis 49:11 Binding to the vine his ass, And to the choice vine the colt of his ass, if you read this, and can not understand how it defines the trinity.... it means you are a fucking retard.like a stupid jew who pretends he knows something about torah...go suck a nigger off, jews are fucking gay.i am the messiah,you are a faggot.hey nigger.... let me just show you another verse concerning the trinity....Zechariah 411 And I answer and say unto him, `What [are] these two olive-trees, on the right of the candlestick, and on its left?'13 And he speaketh unto me, saying, `Hast thou not known what these [are]?' And I say, `No, my lord.'14 And he saith, `These [are] the two sons of the oil, who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.'maybe jews should learn how to read instead of studying how to suck cock.
>>530018141Where is the Trinity in that verse? There's nothing there that teaches nor implies a Trinity.
>>530012317Why should i listen to anyone that whose religious doctrine states the at the Lord Christ is in hell boiling in feces?
>abraham nigger religio loreI dont care!
>>530019691>God refers to himself in the pluralCare to explain that? But there's more because several things happen in the OT: God cannot be viewed by man, but Adam and Eve interact with God in the garden, so how does that happen then? Then the very beginning of Genesis makes mention of the Spirit of God.
here is some more verses concerning the trinity...Revelation 113 and I will give to My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy days, a thousand, two hundred, sixty, arrayed with sackcloth;4 these are the two olive [trees], and the two lamp-stands that before the God of the earth do stand;what do your rabbi teach other than cocksucking?i am the messiah, do you want me to explain it to you?or does the jew boy want me to him using the torah how he is gog, and not chosen, and how his god baal has placed him in israel to be exterminated?jews are the stupid people on the face of the earth.if i took a shit, my turd would have a higher iq.
>>530019999>jew loreDidnt read
hey nigger jew... here is a good one...Zechariah 9:9Rejoice exceedingly, O daughter of Zion, Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem, Lo, thy King doth come to thee, Righteous -- and saved is He, Afflicted -- and riding on an ass, And on a colt -- a son of she-asses. i am the messiah, the son of she asses....you fucking stupid niggers.you will die in israel.... cause you leaders sold you to satan.baal peor, lord of the anus, the god of niggers.you are nothing but white trash.
>>530012973Sounds like made up polytheism. Jesus was just a man spent by God (the "Father") to spread his message. Jesus says God is greater than him, John 14:28.
>>530017639>The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.The Trinity didn't come after them, and was not inspired by them. The old triad gods are satanic perversions of the truth. All false religions mimic the real one in certain ways. The fathers drawing on greek philosophy to set out the doctrine is not an argument against it. They used the most advanced conceptual tools they had to try to describe the reality that is shown, implied and hinted at constantly in scripture. The process took centuries and is the most interesting intellectual adventure in human history.The doctrine isn't "in" the bible in the something like the way you won't find Newton's laws in nature.
>>530012317>a jew pisses on christiansMore at 11
Western theology is very weak, for some reason an average protestant and an average Catholic are unable to explain trinity patriotically based on scripture and church fathers even though this knowledge is available and in public access, only orthodox Christians seem to understand proper christology.First of all we need to start with the fact that God can not be a pure act unless he is impersonal deistic entity, if he is a personal entity you encounter the same issues in Judaism and Islam which is why in Judaism on a mystical level they have emanations of the Sephirot and in Islam they have the divine attributes of God. This is a common non retarded understanding of anyone with barely any philosophical understanding that the essence of God needs to be in some way distinct from his operations and from creation, if it's not distinct from operations then we end up in a deistic reality where God can not not act in perpetuity with eternal creation, if God is not distinct from creation then we are entering a pantheist or animistic theology.Now trinity in particular is extremely easy because it fully exists in sects of Judaism even now even though they cope and seethe about it. God has the logos that is his word which he speaks eternally that is to say the word is not spoken in time otherwise it would be sequentially contingent, God has spirit or presence or wisdom this is also a widely attributed aspect undisputed and fully present all the way even in dead sea scrolls. word of God and the spirit of God are emergent from the father who is the wellspring of the essence of God, but because they generate before and outside of time they are one being, this is the same as if humanity collectively existed outside of time humanity would be one being. This is biblically undisputed and exists even in Talmud no matter how much they seethe, why does it exist? Because Jews know that no one has seen God face to face yet God personally interacts with creation constantly, this is logos.
>>530012317I lasted about four minutes. He can't get his head around God talking to himself? Well that settles it. Not like God's eternal word incarnating might be tricky to wrap your head round. The dude also looks like his right eye is decaying.
>>530017639>Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. You are a mentally deranged cultist knee deep in an American corporation sucking your last penny, I understand that your mind is too preoccupied to think about anything so I'll explain to you. Essences, energies, operations, personhoods etc are universal apriori metaphysical categories that exist objectively on metaphysical level no matter what you call them and no matter how much you seethe. You are committing a word concept fallacy because you are a baboon controlled by a cult created in America by retarded hick Jimbobs, an Arian heretic disputed literally 2 thousand years ago unable to get on with the times. If you aren't a retarded microorganism IQ entity you would realize that the second you need to make a distinction between God, his nature and his operations you would instantly fall into the same language because this language is apriori part of logic on a universal level
>>530012317Justin Martyr and other early church theologians debunked this guy thousands of years ago and yet he triumphantly speaks as if nothing has been written about it. He’s taking advantage of peoples low context windows. Go read Justin Martyr’s Dialogue With Trypho (The Jew) for one of tho earliest sources of Christian polemics against rabbinic Judaism.
>>530021343Think about it, this is coming from a kike who completely accepts a tradition where God has 11 emanations, half of them energetically "female" and in a paradigm where they effectively believe that creation is identical to a "part" of God lol.Talmudic Jews are one step away from being Hindu effectively.
>>530019932Care to explain that?>Colossians 1:15 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation>Revelations 3:14 - “... These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,Jesus is also God's firstborn. Not just his firstborn but also his very first creation.He was talking to Jesus. >Adam and Eve interact with God in the garden, so how does that happen then?Ex 23:20,21 - 20“Here I am sending an angel ahead of you to keep you on the road and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. 21Watch yourself because of him and obey his voice. Do not behave rebelliously against him, for he will not pardon YOUR transgression; because MY NAME IS WITHIN HIM>Acts 7:30,31-30“After 40 years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Siʹnai in the flame of a burning thornbush. 31[...]Jehovah’s voice was heard: 32‘I am the God of your forefathers,[...]>Acts 7:35-[...] is the very one God sent as both ruler and deliverer by means of the angel who appeared to him in the thornbush.>Judges 6:11-15Later Jehovah’s angel came and sat under the big tree that was in Ophʹrah, which belonged to Joʹash the Abi-ezʹrite.[...]12[...]13[...]14 Jehovah faced him and said: “Go with the strength you have, and you will save Israel out of Midʹi·an’s hand. Is it not I who send you?” 15 Gidʹe·on answered him: “Pardon me, Jehovah. How can I save Israel?[...]Whenever God uses angels in the Bible to carry out his will those angels are identified as God himself because all the credit goes to Jehovah. They also speak on behalf of God and are treated by God himself.
>>530019932>Then the very beginning of Genesis makes mention of the Spirit of God.Yes. The Holy Spirit is not even a person. It is not part of a Trinity. It is not equal to God nor Jesus. It is a thing, it is a tool. It is God's active force. Let's start with a simple one shall we? The Holy Spirit: What exactly is the nature of the holy spirit in comparison to God and Jesus? Let's let the Bible tell us.>(Matthew 12:28) But if it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU.>(Luke 11:20) But if it is by means of God’s finger I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU.>(Exodus 8:19) Hence the magic-practicing priests said to Pharaoh: “It is the finger of God!” But Pharaoh’s heart continued to be obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had spoken.The holy spirit is not God but GOD'S FINGER.Here is the holy spirit again described as God's finger on tablets:>(Exodus 31:18) Now as soon as he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai he proceeded to give Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone written on by God’s finger.>(Exodus 34:1) Then Jehovah said to Moses: “Carve out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I must write upon the tablets the words that appeared on the first tablets, which you shattered.>(Deuteronomy 9:10) then Jehovah gave me the two tablets of stone written upon with God’s finger; ...>(2 Corinthians 3:3) For YOU are shown to be a letter of Christ written by us as ministers, inscribed not with ink but with spirit of a living God, not on stone tablets, but on fleshly tablets, on hearts.There are more verses to this conclusion. (Psalm 8:3) (Psalm 19:1) (Psalm 102:25) All of them point to the HS not being God but being AN EXTENSION OF GOD himself.CONTINUED
>>530019932>>530021807Sinning against God is forgivable, sinning against Jesus is forgivable. Sinning against the HS is UNFORGIVABLE. No the HS is not the Word of God. The word of God is either the Bible, his commandments, or Jesus title. But the HS is not the word of God. If the HS were God than all sin is unforgivable and Jesus died for nothing.The HS is also the MOUTH of God. (1 Kings 8:24; 2 Chronicles 6:4; 36:12,21; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 48:3; 58:14; 62:2; Jeremiah 9:12,20; Ezekiel 33:7; Micah 4:4; Matthew 4:4; Mark 12:36; Acts 1:17; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7; 9:8; 10:15,16; 2 Peter 1:21)The HS is constantly described as a thing and not a person.Humans have authority over the holy spirit and give out holy spirit when necessary. 1 Tim 4:14; 2 Tim 1:6; Act 19:2-6; Act 8:9-24; Deut 34:9.You cannot have authority over Jehovah and Jesus and give out Jehovah and Jesus.
>>530012317Fuck this subversive kike faggot
all you people are fucking retarded... like the same ole stupid shit that has no meaning and no basis in realit.lets look at the word... "trinity" it means... three people... when jesus talks about the "father" and the "father" being greater than him.... he is talking about the son of man, the coming messiah, me... a father, who has children....maybe if you people weren't so fucking stupid you'd figure shit out...i know too. this will do nothing for you mind set; given how brainwashed you are...i am the messiah.... and guess what stupid niggers... there are two messiahs.... like two fish in the constellation of pisces... tied together by a common thread.jesus was the first nigger, i am the last nigger.the jews have this concept; they say the first messiah is ben joseph who dies by the hands of gog; then the next messiah comes, who is ben david... just the jews are too stupid to figure out ben joseph is jesus. they are that stupid. Christians are too retarded to understand what jesus was talking about; so they think ben david, the other messiah is the anti christ, cause he ain't like jesus suckn dick in the garden.both jews and christians are brainwashed retards. but at least christians are nicer people.i am the messiah you stupid fuckn nigger.
>>530012317Indeed, it to be said. The Bible says what it says but there is A LOT of white people shit on top that they like to argue about with such blazing passion. What's the point of being a Zionist in effect if you're still gonna be about le church daddies? They have to let it go or 10 year old Rajneesh from Mumbai will read for them and take American jobs.
>>530015115Mormons are inbred retards much like the rest of your heretical sects which are merely a tool to peddle Zionism. They're all descended from the genetic trash who were too fanatic and low IQ for Europe so they were kicked out. It's why you retard jig and jive up on a stage pretending some conman with a golden jet has healed you. Descendants of the absolute dregs of European society
>>530021668>Lets take Pauls letters out of context againYawn. Your post is incoherent too. So tell me, in the Old Testament, how can it be that God refers to himself in the plural? Judaism refutes itself right then and there.So not only does Genesis make mention of the Spirit Of God, the Old Testament also says that nobody can look upon the face of God, but in the garden God is described as walking in it, walking with Adam and calling to him as a person would. You have yet to explain this is any way and have to paste text slopwall instead. It's obvious the Trinity appears in the OT.
>>530021668This is because you are an American from a Jimbob church, you can not fathom you having a limited or imprecise translation, then someone from Greece or Georgia who actually can read Septuagint needs to come and correct you. >prōtotokos>pasēs>ktiseōsFirstborn/inheritor/prime above all/superior to/every form. Do you understand? He is above creation, he inherits all creation this is not debatable you retarded monkey because >For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. - Col 1>1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it. - John 1This is not debatable, every act of creation ever was done exclusively through and only Christ, Christ could not have created himself yet you claim he is a creation, if he falls into the category of creation he had to have created himself.
>>530022188>how can it be that God refers to himself in the plural?Because he talking to ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.>>530021668>You have yet to explain this is any way and have to paste text slopwall instead. I literally explained that here>>530021607
>>530017639>None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the BibleYou do realise that the Bible was not the origin of Christianity? It wasn't found in a cave or something. It came afterwards.
>>530022188>You have yet to explain this is any wayHere>>530021668
>>530012317I know this is a slide thread but let me explain this to you in simple terms.God = Father = "Jesus answered, “Ye neither know Me, nor My Father. If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also."Jesus = Son = "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son"Holy spirit = Holy spirit = "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."They're different aspects of God. Not too dissimilar from all the different names Hebrews had for God.
>>530022354>You do realise that the Bible was not the origin of Christianity?The Bible is the origin of Christianity. What are you referring to?
>>530019932In Hebrew, Arabic and even my language a person can refer to themselves in the plural.
>>530019932>Care to explain that?Kings/Sovereigns talking with in the royal "we" must confuse you to high heaven then.
>>530012317Newton also didn't believe in the trinity, but only published his findings later as he would be killed otherwise. He was an Arianist.
>>530012913Agreed, the go on the list of those to avoid along with selfish boomers, liberal woman and trannies that think you should have to bang their fake woman bits. I imagine there will be people putting them on another list desu.
>>530021668>Whenever God uses angels in the Bible to carry out his will those angels are identified as God himself because all the credit goes to Jehovah. They also speak on behalf of God and are treated by God himself.HahahahahahahahahahahaaaaThis is such a hilarious cope, so God can not only place his name into angels but he can also place his UNCREATED GLORY and power into angels? Speak of theology that literally doesn't exist in any shape or form prior to JW shizophrenia. Even in Judaism they have to resort to emanations or Shechinah or Kavod metaphysical categories.
>>530022342>God>Be like us???>>530022376In Paul's letter he explicitly says Christ came before all creation. It says Christ is the visible image of God, existed before anything was created and is above all creation, meaning he is God. Saying Paul denied Trinitarianism is something else.
>>530022304Firstborn literally means Firstborn. It doesn't mean anything else. He is not above creation is if OF all creation. Some Bibles mistranslate of all into over to avoid the genitive expression that categorizes Jesus as a member of creation itself.
>>530022418The church which is the body of Christ is the origin of Christianity, the Bible is a liturgical living word of the church, Bible does not exist outside of and except for the church. The church is literally the metaphysical body of Christ.You are a post product of a post product of reformation, you have literally zero understanding of historical Christianity.
>>530022304I want you to look at this link of over 70 Bible translations.>http://simplebibletruths.net/70-John-1-1-Truths.htmBesides the New World Translation, all these non-JW Bibles translate John 1:1 as "a god," "the word was divine," "the word was godlike."Why all the "blasphemy"? Because the original Koine Greek language was like that.This is the Koine Greek original>kαὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγοςThis is the hyper-literal translation>kai the·os en ho logosThis is the translation>kai(AND) the·os(GOD) en(WAS) ho(THE) logos(WORD).What you need to understand is two things. First, Koine Greek had no lowercase words. It was all capital as seen above. Second, Koine Greek has only the definite article(the) but no indefinite articles(a/an).So how does one tell the difference between God and god? Because God in the Greek Scriptures is always ho'theos(THE GOD) and any generic god is always theos. In John 1:1 Jehovah is translated as ho'theos(THE GOD) while Jesus is just theos(GOD.) The Koine Greek language is read without indefinite articles (a/an). So the correct translation is "a god." The oldest Bible manuscript in the pic up above is the Sahdic/Bohairic Coptic which was the language of the Egyptians 1,700 years ago. There language does have an indefinite article(a/an). They understood John 1:1 as "a god."
>>530022304>>530022658The Sahidic Coptic and Bohairic Coptic are the oldest manuscripts going back 1,700 years to Egypt. They translated in their own language "a god" because their languages had INDEFINITE articles.(a/an). Koine Greek doesn't have indefinite articles(a/an) only the definite article(the). When both subject and predicates have an article(the) they are treated as interchangeable and the same thing. A good example is Matt 13:38 “The field [Greek, ho a·gros] is the world [Greek, ho kosmos].” The field can be the world and the world can be the field. When both subject and predicate have articles they are considered the same and interchangeable. However, when only the subject/predicate have ONE article they are considered qualitative and not the same. uses 1John 1:5, which says: “God is light.” In Greek, “God” is ho the·os and therefore has a definite article. But phos for “light” is not preceded by any article. God is light but light cannot be God. They are not interchangeable. Light here is now qualitative.John 1:1 has God as ho'theos and Jesus as just theos. Not interchangeable. So Jesus is only godlike, divine. That's why all those Bibles up above say "godlike, divine, deity." Not God.
>>530022607This is wrong I speak modern Greek and have a fair grasp of Koine Greek, I've read Septuagint in Greek Georgian and Armenian. You can't tell me what it means and what it does not mean, you also deflected the words of John and Paul because you can not rationalize a category error in which Christ is simultaneously a creation yet nothing, NOTHING, was created without Christ.
>>530022658Do all JW believe what you do?
>>530022658And sorry for separating this into two posts, but do JW believe in prosperity doctrine? To me it seems they do, and it also seems like they are big supporters of Jews.
>>530021807The problem is your entire false theology is held up by cherry picking verses. Here are a few more. 1 Corinthians 2:10-13“these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.”God’s Spirit once rested in the temple made by human hands and now rests in a temple not made with human hands. The bodies of those who hold to the testimony of Jesus Christ are now living temples of God’s Spirit. God abides in us as long as we abide in Him. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20“Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.”1 Corinthians 3:16-17“Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.”1 John 3:24“Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.”1 John 4:13“By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.”
>>530022573No he's right. An agent of God like an angel would carry the name of God. You believe that God's glory came out of a vagina and you have the gall to laugh at anyone else?
>>530022602You ignore the fact that Paul called him the Firstborn of all creation. The beginning of creation by God. Also this >Proverbs 8:22,23 - Jehovah himself produced me(JESUS) as the BEGINNING OF HIS WAY, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. FROM TIME INDEFINITE I WAS INSTALLED, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24When there were no watery deeps; I WAS BROUGHT FORTH WITH LABOR PAINS, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I WAS BROUGHT FORTH WITH LABOR PAINS, 26when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27When he prepared the heavens; I WAS THERE; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30THEN I CAME TO BE BESIDE HIM AS A MASTER WORKER, and I CAME TO BE THE ONE HE WAS SPECIALLY FOND OF DAY BY DAY, I BEING GLAD BEFORE HIM ALL THE TIME, 31being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.That's Jesus talking up above about his life with his father before he came to earth.>FROM TIME INDEFINITE I WAS INSTALLED>I WAS BROUGHT FORTH WITH LABOR PAINS>I WAS BROUGHT FORTH WITH LABOR PAINS>I WAS THERE>THEN I CAME TO BE BESIDE HIM AS A MASTER WORKER>I BEING GLAD BEFORE HIM ALL THE TIME>I CAME TO BE THE ONE HE WAS SPECIALLY FOND OF DAY BY DAY.
i'm monitoring this thread because of the jw hereticlet's see him make any headway with his heretical doctrine and then i'll make one postand then you'll all laugh him out of the thread because of his answer
>>530022654The Bible already had an established canon before the Catholic and Protestant churches came along.>OTJewish tradition credits Ezra with beginning the compiling and cataloging of the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures, and it says that this was completed by Nehemiah. Ezra was certainly well equipped for such a work, being one of the inspired Bible writers himself as well as a priest, scholar, and official copyist of sacred writings. (Ezra 7:1-11)>“We do not possess myriads of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other. Our books, those which are justly accredited, are but two and twenty, and contain the record of all time. Of these, five are the books of Moses, comprising the laws and the traditional hisstory from the birth of man down to the death of the lawgiver. . . . From the death of Moses until Artaxerxes, who succeeded Xerxes as king of Persia, the prophets subsequent to Moses wrote the history of the events of their own times in thirteen books. The remaining four books contain hymns to God and precepts for the conduct of human life.” - The Jewish historian Josephus, in answering opponents in his work Against Apion, around 100 CE (I, 38-40 )>NTIn the first century C.E., letters from Paul, James, Peter, John, Jude, and the governing body in Jerusalem contributed to the growth and the preservation of the unity and cleanness of the Christian congregation.—Ac 15:22-31; 16:4, 5; 2Co 7:8, 9; 10:8-11; 2Co 3:7; Ac 28:21; 2Th 2:2; Heb 13:22. All those were compiled.The oldest known reference to the NT Bible canon is the Muratorian Fragment which dates back to 170-200 CE. The Fragment mentions a non-Biblical book, the Shepherd, and states that a man named Hermas wrote it “very recently, in our times, in the city of Rome.” Scholars date the final writing of Hermas’ Shepherd between 140 and 155 C.E.The RCC didn't compile the Bible. God compiled it himself.
>>530012317On one hand it's true, on the other this is a pharisee. TKD
>>530022784Non practicing JW but grew up in it in the late 80s through the 90s, that is pretty much my understanding of things as well.
>>530022876according to allah, who is the third person of the trinity?he should know what the muhshrikeeeene believe, remember, being muhe godelet's see
>>530022430Or, maybe God referred to himself in the plural, because it is a plural. Unless you want to say this account of actually speaking to God is false and it still does not explain the other things I mentioned. Unless you want to disagree with this text that has been painstakingly recorded to the letter then translated for 200 years with each translation saying that.
>>530012317The trinity is not hard original doctrine it was just a way for theologians to rationalize contradictory bible passages.
>>530022654>>530023024The Tosefta, a written collection of oral laws that was completed by about 300 C.E., says with regard to Christian writings that were burned on the Sabbath:>“The books of the Evangelists and the books of the minim[thought to be Jewish Christians] they do not save from a fire. But they are allowed to burn where they are, they and the references to the Divine Name which are in them.”This same source quotes Rabbi Yosé the Galilean, who lived at the beginning of the second century C.E., as saying that on other days of the week,>“one cuts out the references to the Divine Name which are in them [understood to refer to the Christian writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns.”The Jews admitted that the Jewish Christian not only had their own books between the 1st and 2nd century but those books also had Gods name in it at the time. The Bible was done and collected by the 1st century.
>>530023070According to Jesus who is the only true God?
>>530023105>Or, maybe God referred to himself in the plural, because it is a pluralBecause that leads to polytheism. Plurality of gods
>>530022658Blasphemous nonsense. You ignore the most basic rule of Koine Greek grammar that every first year seminary student knows, Colwell’s Rule. When a definite predicate nominative stands before the verb (as θεὸς ἦν does here), it regularly drops the article. This construction is qualitative, it tells us what the Word is by nature: God. Full stop. Not “a god,” not “divine in some vague way,” but the very essence of deity.The same apostle John later records Thomas falling at the feet of the risen Christ and crying ho Theos mou with the article you retarded nimrod. Jesus accepts it. John 1:18 calls him the only begotten God.l. Hebrews 1:8 quoting Psalm 45 has the Father calling the Son ho Theos. You twist the text to escape the obvious, the eternal Logos is God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God.Most importantly you are again like a retarded baboon making a category error. A created “a god” cannot create everything. That would make two Gods, pure paganism, contradicting Deuteronomy 6:4 and Isaiah 44:6. Even logically Christ can not be in a category of creation and of creator who created EVERYTHING.
>>530022926>16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:>17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.So Paul affirms Christ is God and created all things. This is called taking things out of context.
>>530023123retarded pedophile worshipping monkeyyou just made a point about muhe logicaleeee GonsisDencieseswouldn't allah being muhe gode, KNOW what the third person of the trinity is?answer the question, retardhow would muhe gode not know that?
>>530012317The Trinity is a construct to attempt to explain the Godhead. Accept that the Godhead is a mystery. Jesus the Christ is Elohim and He loved you so much that He died for you. You can trust Him.
>>530012317https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Acatholic.com+trinity+not+in+the+bible
>>530023254Is this how christians talk? In an insulting language? Very christlike manners
>>530023186Then why did God pretty explicitly refer to an "us", maybe because the trinity is 3 parts of one Godhead. It's pretty simple.
>>530012317>Let US make man in OUR imageRight there in Genesis.
>>530023310stupid pedophile worshipping, stinky Baki monkey retardhow would muhe godenot knowwho the 3rd person of the trinity isare you a moron?why are you not answering?is it because you and your retarded pedophile worshipping cult is BTFO?because otherwise you would just answer, right?inbred savage?
>>530012808Actually the jews had defeated Rome before the Christians showed up. That's why Christians were persecuted, jews already had infiltrated Roman political leadership.
>>530022756Hahahahaha. The Coptic Church itself was Trinitarian, not Arian. They venerated Christ as the eternal God. Your cult rips one verse out of context and pretends ancient Egyptian Christians were secret Jehovah’s Witnesses. They were not. They anathematized your heresy. You are basically claiming to know it better than the church you are referring to yourself. This is ridiculous and funny when church fathers as early as st.Ignatious st.Iraneus in no vague term directly state that Christ is God manifest in human form, and that word is begotten from God and is God.
>>530023310>Is this how christians talk? In an insulting language?Yes. You mad, den of robbers and brood of snakes?
>>530012643Unimaginable levels of cope
>>530023336That's called a royal plural. Even individuals here that have a position or think too highly of themselves say we or us when talking about themselves while being singular >>530023390See this is the manners you get when your circumcised god calls poor random beggar women bitches. Very bad manners
>>530023024Not Catholic and Protestant, holy orthodox church the only church. It's really funny to watch your kind seethe as you get dunked on in Orthodox countries. As for canon this is undisputable objective universal fact the gospel was compiled by the church, the cannon and apocrypha was determined by the church period.
>>530012317Trinity is a gotcha. Basically The Father, Jesus (The Son) and the Holy Spirit are all the same God. You don't have to go any further in explanation.
>>530023506i accept your Retarded Shitslamic Concessionthe ummahe is weakesadde
>>530023506>royale Bluralethe kings did that because they were christians, lmaoyour retarded allah does it because he says>Blurale is more magesticeeeeeebecause the christians kings did ityour retarded allah literally says 3 is more magestice than 1ayy lmaoby allahlet me say it againayy lmaoby allah
>>530015513This, not only is Yahweh 2 different gods (Yah and Weh), but there is Baal, Moloch, Ashera, El, Astarte, etc. All of them were worshipped either alongside or instead of Yahweh.
>>530022784Yes>>530022814>but do JW believe in prosperity doctrine?No, it's heretical >To me it seems they do,We are not. >it also seems like they are big supporters of Jews.We are actually very antisemitic. More on that...
>>530023779did you catch my post earlierwhere i stated that my eyes are upon you like the eyes of the hawk?watchtower retard?
>>530012317Okay anons. Going to tell you about secret that will provide anyone willing to accept it a comfort of never needing to worry about this question again. God is something that we cannot comprehend, God is great because of that. If you accept it is pointless to speculate what God "is, was, or going to be" is completely pointless you will be more happy in the long run and your faith will be stronger.
>>530023506>God used something invented in the future by European kings at the beginning of humanity when he was talking to Adam and Eve, the only humans who ever existed thenTop tier lol
>>530023779Ayo Jimbob retard reply to me>>530023217Or did you retarded copypasta run out once you encountered an Orthodox Christian. Do you know why your stupid church failed in post soviet countries? Because it is ridiculous to follow watchtower nonsense when I have a literal 1600 year old church across the street from me.
>>530024166that's not top tierthis isand this monkey retard is going around calling things illogicala perfect Muzelime (an absolute retard)
>>530013571Your "soul" and mind is your physical brain, and thus all you got is your body. You are your body, nothing else. You cannot disprove that.
Aside from the explicit mentions in the Bible, the trinity can also be proven from a purely philosophical point.The loved, the lover, and the spirit of love.
>>530024288you're not getting itGOD made you to be mind body and soulyou can't have one without the rest and be you and this is how GOD decided to do it when He created you in "His image"
>>530012317It is implied clearly in scripture by the wording of how the father son and holy spirit interact. If you read it through a modalist lens then silly things would happen like the the father sacrificing himself to himself, interceding for himself, standing next to himself etc. It is one divine essence but 3 persons. This has been well established since the early church.
>>530024387I think at a certain point protestant churches forgot the importance of bodily resurrection, they don't understand that resurrected transfigured humans will be in full including body.
>>530022837All your verses actually support everything I posted here>>530021807>>530021849 Even the verses you posted don't imply a trinity. They actually imply everything I posted. It's an extension of God that acts independently from him. That's why it's described as God's finger, hands and mouth. Not an actual person. >>530023250>FROM TIME INDEFINITE I WAS INSTALLED>I WAS BROUGHT FORTH WITH LABOR PAINS>I WAS BROUGHT FORTH WITH LABOR PAINS>I WAS THERE>THEN I CAME TO BE BESIDE HIM AS A MASTER WORKER>I BEING GLAD BEFORE HIM ALL THE TIME>I CAME TO BE THE ONE HE WAS SPECIALLY FOND OF DAY BY DAY.Does that sound like equality with God or God himself?>>530023265>Accept that the Godhead is a mystery.Ah the old "God works in mysterious ways" and "It's a mystery" copout to force acceptance without question. >>530023461>Hahahahaha. The Coptic Church itself was Trinitarian, not Arian.You're confusing the late Coptic Orthodox Church with the Sahidic Coptic and Boharic Coptic grammar during the 1st century and backwards. You're confusing the Coptic Church with the Sahidic Coptic and Boharic Manuscripts of 1,700 years ago before Arius was born. Their languages had an indefinite article(u). God is p.noute and a god is u.noute. They translated John 1:1 as "a god" when Koine Greek was a living language.>>530023570Not by the Orthodox Church neither. The 1st century Christians did that before the terms "Christianity" and "Christians" existed. Back when they called themselves "The Way"Acts 9:2;19:9,23;22:4;24:22.
>>530013571>God also has a mind, body and soulI am pretty sure this is heresy
>>530024481>From time indefiniteSo always? Christ was also incarnated as man in the form of Jesus. So this is indeed affirming Christ was there from the beginning, making him God?
>>530024387Bla bla bla. I don't believe in your fairytales. If people have eternal souls, then explain social heritage etc.
>>530024481I already debunked your retarded claims about Greek in a post above>Late Coptic churchThere has never been any Coptic church that was not trinitarian everAgain I can't emphasize this enough I don't know what kind of schizophrenia you must be experiencing considering the fact that as Iraneus and Athanasius we have direct in no confusing terms statements that Christ and God are one
>>530019932>God refers to himself in the pluralno he doesn't. he addresses a council of gods.
>>530024732you argue social heritage as an atheist in denmark?
>>530024811No he doesn't, because Angels can't create. Why would he say "Let US make..." when Angels can't do shit?
>>530024868This retard is an atheist who will claim that Genesis describes semitic polytheism
>>530024938You talking to me? I believe in the Trinity, I'm refuting the point of Genesis addressing the host of Heaven.
>>530024868who talks about angels? you cannot read what I wrote? he addresses other gods. who, btw. are just as inexistent as the jewish god.
>>530024387For humans the soul can be separated from the body.And there are people without a mind, but with a body and soul (i.e coma patients).So these things are not inseperable. Thus claiming God has all these things and is also indivisible single being is a contradiction. You're a polytheist in denial.
>>530025019No the one you replied to
>>530025130another retard here, probably a Muzelime (because of how stupid he is)i said AND STILL BE YOUandwhen God created you in "His image"are you a functional human being without any part of your 3?in factwhat do you think of propet mohammed phub?
>>530025069There are no other gods, dummy. Not even the text backs up your asinine assertion.
this is how a Muzelime reads a textlike a guy in a hot dog eating contestor a Muzelime in ramadhane, which is, after having an early breakfast to skip lunch for a huge dinner, waking up in the afternoon, still having indigestion, only coming around to feeling like eating around 3 pm and then with their iron Muzelime resolve, refusing to eat for another 4 hourswait what was i saying?oh right, this is how a Muzelime reads a textthey don't understand what they just read, durka durka durka, boom, just recitedededed Gourane so allah give janana--- because they are retarded
>>530024481Those verses word for word say that the Spirit of God is God, like man’s spirit is man and you just ignore that in your ignorance and cognitive dissonance. Who dwelled in the first and second temple? God’s extension or God Himself?You are not an honest interlocutor but a liar. You lie not only to others but also to yourself. Revelation 21:8“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.””
>>530024649It's an archaic way of saying "from ancient times.">So this is indeed affirming Christ was there from the beginning, making him God?Read:>I WAS BROUGHT FORTH WITH LABOR PAINS>I WAS BROUGHT FORTH WITH LABOR PAINS>I WAS THERE>THEN I CAME TO BE BESIDE HIM AS A MASTER WORKER>I BEING GLAD BEFORE HIM ALL THE TIME>I CAME TO BE THE ONE HE WAS SPECIALLY FOND OF DAY BY DAY.Combine that with >>530021668>the firstborn of all creation >the beginning of creation by God.Let's add>(John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son,>(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.Only-begotten means “single of its kind, only,” or “the only member of a kin or kind.” This is applied to relationships between parents and children when the child has a unique relationship with their parents. We know this because Isaac was called only-begotten even though Abraham had Ishmael first and Abraham remarried and had 6 more sons after Isaac. Only-begotten implies a unique relationship with their parent. Usually it's because they are only-children but also because their production was unique. Isaac was unique because he was born out of a miraculous promise. Jesus is unique from the other angels because he was created by God himself while all other creation was created THROUGH Jesus and FOR Jesus.
