In retrospect, was a low-cost asymmetric drone carrier a bad idea?
>>530030849No, they only need more antiair and missiles.
>>530030849Did it actually get to do anything before being sunk? If it was hit by an aircraft launched from a carrier then that Twitter post becomes ironically hilarious.
>>530030849better than bankrupting the country to get a modern carrier, only for it to get sunk just the same.
>>530030849Iran is full of bad ideas. This one is just easy to pick out.
>>530030849Iran has a drone carrier? I didn’t know they had a navy at all that seems weird and dumb Every ship they build will get sunk and likely not even take American ships on its way out. Instead of building a giant floating metal box just build tons tons of missiles with the same metal and labor
>>530031439>I didn’t know they had a navy at allThey did for a hot minute
>>530031187One was hit in port, the other managed to get out but was hit at sea. Both by planes, I think. I don't believe they managed to launch any drones.
>>530030849both would have been sunk without achieving much, so the cheaper version was less of a loss for them.
>>530031439>I didn’t know they had a navy"had" is the correct term here, it was sunk basically instantly
>>530030849If USA and Israel really depletes all of their rockets then even bombing the USA could eventually become possible. Without rockets they can not protect their ships and without the ships they can not protect crossing the ocean. Just saying.
>>530030849I think the ONLY navel assets worth investing in is nuke subs.Anything else is a floating billion dollar coffin
>>530031439>I didn’t know they had a navyi mean they dont, anymore.
>>530030849it would have been smart for them to ship it into the strait and blow it up themselves to block it. Anyways, shit was "just" a repupurposed freighter, it was never expected to do anythingproductive against the us.
>>530031894Brown muzzies really are this delusional
>>530031894Thanks landlocked gypsy for your insight into modern naval warfare.
>>530031894Imagine being this stupid. Goddam this site is fucked.
>>530031894Ohohohahahahaha
>>530031894So this is the type of shitskin infesting nu/pol/ now.
>>530030849Yes, drone carier subs are the only asymmetric navy option
>>530031977Not saying it will be Iran doing that. Someone owning satellite comms and nav (so Russia or China) could send drone ships to launch drone planes and drone rockets. It would be very complicated to defend.Being untouchable in the USA may come to an end. You better stop warmongering while you can.
>>530030849>In retrospect, was a low-cost asymmetric drone carrier a bad idea?it sure was for the heathens on it, yeah.
>>530031187>Did it actually get to do anything before being sunk?nope
>>530030849No but it wouldn't be very large or look like an aircraft carrier because big ships are suicide without a lot of support.
>>530031920Yeah technology is advanced enough that if you can be seen you can be hit so it's better to not be seen at all.
>>530032259another heathen loving kremlin dick holding anti-European, anti-American retard on the loose
>>530030849No it’s not a bad idea but like with anything you don’t have shit without air superiority The atomic bombs would have been useless without it
No. They probably launched 1-200 drones of it before it got blown up and did billions of $ in damage to their enemies. The strike footage I saw showed not heat activity or movement (wake etc) so it's possible that Iran launched everything they had on it and then abandoned it. idk where it was located in the strait, or if twas sunk or just drifting.
>>530030849the webm of this in action was hilarious
>>530031894Yes because rockets and bombs are a finite resource retard Even if America couldn’t produce anymore they could just buy them from other countries We are reaching stratospheric levels of cope
>>530031187>Did it actually get to do anything before being sunk?Iran's navy provided freedom of navigation patrols off Africa's coast for a few years. There was never a chance of fighting America's navy in a deep water battle, so Iran parked their ships in a shallow harbor for retrieval after the war.
>>530032740>retrieval It's called salvage once they're sunk.
>>530031894attacking US mainland will never be a good idea, they will suddenly unite to fuck you up from across the globe
>>530032459sure, they got some use out of it, but how many of those drones couldn't have been launched from a random strip of land?their drones were surely less limited by range than this vessel, and vastly more convenient.
>>530030849Iran's carrier was a complete waste of money, resources, manpower etc. But what do you expect from brown shitskins?It did nothing then got destroyed just like their AD and their joke of an Air Force.They should have maxxed out on missiles instead.
>>530030849yes
>>530032740>There was never a chance of fighting America's navy in a deep water battlesame with the air force, usually they keep it buried for its protectionthis time though they've sent out multiple sorties, all one-way tripsvery sad, reminds me of japan at the end, except they actually took some of us with them
>>530031894>>530033128USA is already conquered by kikes, managed by pajeets, policed by niggers. Not even any sane foreigners dare to invade the US
>>530031920>navel assets
>>530032259Yes. Because Americans will blindly shoot all their rockets and missiles at Iran, never even thinking that they might need some for defence, this will surely happen. And maybe all their submarines will shoot all their torpedos at Iran too.Holy shit browns are retarded.
>>530030849Drone freighter looks so Kawai.
>>530031187one isn't sunk
>>530031894>>530032259Are you somehow under the impression that the US would send their entire arsenal to Iran and leave nothing in their own soil
>>530033138>but how many of those drones couldn't have been launched from a random strip of land?Do you realise how far away Iran is from many targets?
>>530030849What relevant carrier based aircraft would they even field off of it. >but they have le based F-14's and F-4"s.Notice I said relevant. We don't even know if they still have any working F-14's and F-4's come on no, just no. That monstrosity was a pure propaganda vanity project to fly the RC toy equivalent of their embarrassingly fake 5th gen stealth fighter. It was actually a much bigger waste than to have done nothing either way. They would have been infinitely better off investing in a not shit sub fleet with the ability to launch some kind of strike missile. Hell even going full I-400 on their shit domestic subs to launch their precious attack drone off of. Pickrel is their domestic aircraft production capability. The only thing they have are missiles and drones and those are none deployable. Yes they are doing damage with their missiles and drones, but they are in a unique geo political position. They have no force projection outside of terrorism.
>>530034643I need a cute boy like this
The US is the only country that has a navy for reasons other than prestige.
>>530030849They didn't get to use them but they also didn't lose a quadrilogorillion dinar when they sank. Under the right circumstances such as against a technological peer or below, those carriers had the potential to be highly effective. Against the US military, not so much because it's a big fat obvious target. Now, if they had been able to smuggle cargo containers filled with shaded drones close to high value targets on a merchant ship it could have worked.
>>530034667Armchair General speaks.
>>530031894You do realize we are the foremost arms manufacturer in the world right? And we all have guns and shoot things for fun. We make bombs for fun. We sit around and think of new bombs in our spare time. America is basically just Chevy, Coca-Cola, hotdog, and big ass weapons.
>>530030849Iranians don't have a real navy their "converted" ships are memes nothing more. >drone carrier Afaik only Turkey has a real drone carrier and that's only because TCG Anadolu was designed to operate with F-35s but the retard erdogan managed to screw the decades long planning of the Turkish Armed Forces so they had to relabel it as a drone carrier instead.
>>530033552The Pentagon is using LLMs to make decisions for them now. It's totally plausible at this point that they could be doing some really stupid shit in the near future.
>>530034886What exactly did I say that was wrong? Please enlighten me.
>>530034994>You do realize we are the foremost arms manufacturer in the world right?I mean for some arms yes but China's manufacturing capacity has no peers, it's just a matter of whether they decide to start making weapons or not.
>>530035220When did all of mankind collectively decide to just be as retarded as possible?
>>530031439They had a conventional navy once, now they have the grug assault drone horde on water, which actually works in a non gay war where you can shoot your enemies.
>>530031432You know what’s good about being mossad in Sweden? You don’t get flattened by Iranian missiles like everyone back home. So much for Israel being the safest place on earth for Jews eh?The iron dome hasn’t been working quite like they had hoped…and Trump can’t seem to convince the Iranians to stop bombing Tel Aviv…
>>530035391Some of Pete Hegseth's recent speeches sounded like ChatGPT wrote them and nobody bothered to edit it.You better hope whatever LLM they use doesn't tell them to nuke Spain because they 100% will obey it without question.
>>530031187It was hit by a submarine torpedo
>>530033761Cope. The entire Iranian navy is at the bottom of the sea
>>530035238You are just making suppositions based on things you have no real knowledge of. Their drone carrier was just that, it was never meant to compete with The Gerald Ford.And you also have no idea how much Drones and missiles are deployable. I'm sure they would be interested to hear that you recommended they should have invested in Subs instead? Perhaps you should contact Irans Military Purchase Department and advise them?
>>530031894Crossing the ocean with what? Naval warfare that isn't submarine spam is about to be history, everyone can fuck up everybody else's surface navy by spamming a thousand rockets at this point.
>>530030849It got blown to fuck so if it was cheaper than an aircraft carrier it was a good idea.
I know that ramps are cheaper, but what's the downside?
>>530034882>shadedShahedPacking a cargo vessel with these and hiding with a spoofed transponder signal could probably work. Maybe they are out there right now.
>>530035508>Some of Pete Hegseth's recent speeches sounded like ChatGPT wrote them and nobody bothered to edit it.Did they have a bunch of "it's not just X, it's Y"?
>>530032259>More shitskin delusionsYou aren't a real human. Get that in your head.
>>530030849>iran's only dubiously effective weapon>group them all together>on a barely floating derelicti'm for this, actually
>>530035715/pol/ laughs at you for having a ramp. That's about it.It's cheaper, safer, more reliable, easier to maintain...
>>530032259Might at this level of cope just pray that muhammed rises from hell to offer his ass to be zutted in such quantity that americans have to leave.
>>530032406>>530033552>>530035883>>530032008>>530032115>>530032144>>530032207>>530032669>>530034994America is full of brown niggers and I'd gladly not die for this shit hole. Most of these flags I'm looking at make me laugh because you hate "MUH RUSSIANS" and chinks yet niggers are stabbing kids to death and bragging about replacing you in your own countries. You're either feds or you're fucking delusional whites that literally want to bomb random sandnigggers rather than throw browns out of your countries. No Russian called me a far right extremist or a Nazi, no it's Iranian did, no chink ever did. Just saying.
>>530035715A steam catapult allows for heavier planes to take off with more fuel and weapons.
>>530030849yes, they should have invested in mini subs and kamikaze boats instead of this useless piece of scrap.
>>530036310You're a stupid fucking faggot. I sincerely hope you paint your walls the same colour as the inside of your thin skull. Not even going to bother reading the paragraph of pure browness you put out there.
>>530035826Yes the one I listened to did.
>>530035826Yep. A lot of really vapid:"They thought they were gonna X, but we X'd better, and instead of X, they got Y'd, we are the ones who X. We will not stop Xing until this (((threat))) to (((thing))) is completely Y'd. You're whole (((other thing))) will be Y'd."It might be the least dignified thing I'd ever heard someone say to the public about spilling blood. He's given like 2 of these updates I think. He manages to sound like he's pumping up a junior high football team for a game and that his dick is hard because he's spilling blood simultaneously. It's unseemly.
>>530030849Israel gets hit daily by drones. So what is your point. Does it even matter? No probably not it's just an oil rig refurbished.
>>530031894Can we just report all gypsies back to Russia and take this land for ourselves? Your existence is net negative for Europe.
>>530030849they should have built smaller stealth ones and had them out an about in the world's oceans at all times. ships aren't meant to be in port, it's fake an gay.
>>530036987Maybe you should stop flashing kike flags on your monuments before someone takes you seriously.
>>530030849Why did iran bother with a navy at all? They only ever needed a fee customs boats.
>>530035334I think China has no real reason to do any retarded wars yet or challenge the USA militarily in any way. They're probably more focused on themselves considering 1.5 billion people, of which many are probably retarded, is not something that is easily managed. Within like a single generation people witnessed going from bicycles to cars to EVs while the USA is in a visible decline that is felt by many of its citizens, demoralization is everywhere and the % of white people is going down drastically. They'll just wait it out for a 100 more years unironically.
>>530035526That was the frigate south of Shri Lanka
>>530039273Cope. China just lost its two greatest footholds on the international scene.l without even a wimper. They’d better just stick to harassing Filipino fishing boats.
>>530039643cope with what lol? I have nothing to lose or gain from them but how does china losing their two greatest footholds help you exactly with your grocery prices and property prices?you should probably care much more about some somali niggers committing fraud and robbing you blind for billions than China bro
>>530030849>A full blown aircraft carrierThat's obviously some kind of cargo ship converted into a carrier, but since everything has to be fake and gay beyond human comprehension now we're calling that obvious converted piece of shit a "full blown aircraft carrier built from scratch".
>>530033329>>530030849It seems to me iran is banking on propaganda at this point; to capitalize on the very real anti-war sentiment among the US populace and the wider world, pushing stories of incompetence at the hand of Trump and Jewkikes, while pushing off flashy explosions in Tel Aviv and the like.The attrition there is their best weapon, but I don't think they'll succeed. Whatever gets kikes and muds dead though is fine with me.
>>530031782fucking shit what a deathtrap they could have at least slimmed down the fucking bridge so it's not literally on the edge of the landing runway
>>530030849>it cost a lot to turn a old scrap cargo ship into flat top>and the jews burned $2 million dollars to sink that $200k worth of floating junkerthe cope from the vpn trumplets are real
>>530035477>Trump can’t seem to convince the Iranians to stop bombing Tel Aviv…How could that stupid fuckin cocksucker go into a war with Iran expecting them not to attack Kikeistan, it has to be deliberate to ramp this mess up?
>>530030849>a>fucking>rampdeserved to be blown up for that alone desu
>>530036884You are shit at this
>>530030849>ski ramp on a drone and helicopter carrierdid they really?
The boat wasnt the problemIt was falling for there own propaganda If you dont have drinking water big indicator you forgot to pay your soldiers.
>>530035465Yeah that’s why I’m confused if I was in control of Iran I would have built random PVC suicide boats and that type of stuff, missiles on small drone bots and submarines. I wouldn’t have built a single large proper ship with a human crew it’s not like it would serve any purposeThe only thing it could do is help them do a naval landing on American bases in Arabia and the gulf states, America likely lacks the number of soldiers needed to defend them properly Even full on invade them, destroy everything in Qatar and gulf states; raze every building, and invade Saudi Arabia this time trying to get the population on your side, it’s not like these arab zogbots have their own army
>>530031894everyone is dunking on you, but would it really be the biggest shock if iran pulls out an ICBM and hits the US mainland?
>>530032406>>530033552>>530033929Retards can only imagine what is already in front of them.Drones are asymmetric warfare. The attacker can cheaply spam attack but defense is expensive. It is impossible to defend on the long run without extreme industrial superiority. Fiberglass composite boats can easily cross the ocean autonomously mostly underwater or semi-submerged. This is not alien technology in 2026 even drug niggers can build and operate them. Each one carry a rocket or a few flying drones. It is all in the realm of possibility and not even expensive. The key is the communication and navigation. If the attacker gets satellite support then it is not even hard to engineer.I bet Iranians are already working on it. The only good personal tactic for the future as a westerner is to live far away from anything expensive or strategic.
>>530043335The problem with ICBMs is that you are on the far side of asymmetric warfare. They cost huge and may only be economic with nuclear warhead. (I guess without actually crunching the numbers.)Cross-ocean lightweight ship drones on the other hand may be cheaper than defending against them. See >>530043730
>>530031104Yes send them more Chinese anti air.
>>530036310>No Russian called me a far right extremist or a Nazi,For the record they do it all the time. Or are they only the Russian kikes not the real Russians?
It is a good idea for a regional power. In this war, it would have been sunk already though
>>530031894Absolutely braindead retarded post.
>>530035638>Naval warfare that isn't submarine spam is about to be history, everyone can fuck up everybody else's surface navy by spamming a thousand rockets at this point.I think you are right. But it can either be subsurface or cheap spamming. Both are possible.>>530036987>Your existence is net negative for Europe.You should stop shooting the messenger and start to prepare. The "enemy" (they should not be enemy but technically they are or they will likely be enemy in the future) uses their mind and are preparing for the future. Lagging behind because we cant imagine future warfare is lame. Just saying.
>>530043730>Retards can only imagine what is already in front of them.Like a sub 70 iq inbreed mudslime? Sometimes i gotta give pissrael some credit; you rats really REALLY deserves to be exterminated.
>>530036892? He sounds like a frat bro. Fucking retarded turd worlder. Try to assimilate better and talk to actual Americans and not just your fellow street shitters. It will make you a more believable shill to actually understand the language and culture.
>>530043989>Cross-ocean lightweight ship dronesseems like an impossibility due to the fuel required to travel that huge distance. far easier to smuggle, or simply assemble, some inside the united states and then launch from here.
Any boat that isn’t a submarine is an easy target for guided weapons.
>>530035220>The Pentagon is using LLMs to make decisions for them nowYes, Claude Sonnet, which makes shit up al the time and then apologizes.
A drone carrier seems like it kinda undermines some of the advantages of drones in presenting a large singular target. Doesn't really seem asymmetric at all and the lower cost of retrofitting a freighter wouldn't change that much. It also fails to take advantage of the low radar profile and natural compatibility with stealth applications drones have. It's different for force projection where you need a platform close to enemy territory to launch from but for defensive purposes from within your own territory acting at limited range i feel like small vehicle mounted or even handheld launchers that are comparatively low cost and can be widely distributed and deployed independently or across a large area would make more sense. It has it's own drawbacks but even for force projection I feel like some sort of carrier ballistic missle where instead of a cluster bomb it carrys multiple drones that disperse would be a less risky method for rapid long range deployment. I'm not sure how useful that would actually be compared to a more conventional ballistic missle if you're already firing them regardless of whether you do or don't have AA to worry about anymore though. Kinda seems like it'd be fumbling velocity at the finish line and that might make them easy pickings when already being tracked and if you don't have AA to overwhelm with multiple targets why bother? Maybe if your ultimate target wasn't actually the missles target and you deployed out a range of AA it could be used for saturation and depleting defense resources which is in fact one of the things they're good for.
>>530031894Imagine believing the US could ever run out of munitionsOh my sweat summer child
>>530045798>US army cant even protect jews in Israel.>Believes US army would prioritize protecting regular Americans in CaliforniaOh my sweet summer child.
>>530044581>>Cross-ocean lightweight ship drones>seems like an impossibility due to the fuel required to travel that huge distance>Seems like an impossibility to cross the ocean with a small diesel powered shipAnd you guys call _me_ retarded.
>>530040266>fucking shit what a deathtrapyeah for both the pilots and the bridge officersthats the level youre dealing with>>530030849not the worst idea otherwise, no
>>530030849Why do helicopters need a ramp?
>>530049711>thats the level youre dealing withAh, to be fair, that's from the oil tanker, and taking away that part would probably bump up cost by another 25%, and not be worth it.But yeah, imagine being in the bridge as a jet prepares to land, and then a wind gust strikes from the left, just before the plane touches down...Sure, this can happen to any carrier, but most don't put the command center of the ship in harm's way, if they can avoid it.
>>530031187It wasn't even sunk lmfao we have sat footage of it floating around AFTER they alleged it was sunk with no visible damage. Massive eglin shitcope with a hint of generational izzat lost.
>>530036310Faggot. You can cry all you want but Iran is getting raped.
>>530031187It was not meant to be used in a direct war against the US. A military has to prepare for several types of war
>>530050317May we see this footage?
>>530031187Afaik, no it didnt do anything. Some people were hyping it up.
>>530033552None of it is blind firing. We have satellites and drones doing surveillance. We see exactly what we're hitting before it gets hit.
>>530030849Put the same defenses on the battle barge, and it'll be as capable as the aircraft carrier in defending itself.Arm the drones with the necessary ordinance, and the barge will be as capable in offensive operations, provided the drones are big enough.Surround the battle barge with sufficient escort vessels, and your fleet is no worse than the American flotilla nearby.What people don't consider is that an aircraft carrier is really, really flimsy.Yes they're huge, they're gargantuan and displace huge amounts of water and carry over 1000 people plus pilots and dozens of mixed-role jets.They're designed for a terribly complicated mission, and that's why they have to be engineered to be terribly simple.Skinny hulls, colossal thrusters and tonnes of them all powered by a massive nuclear reactor, deck after deck after deck absolutely begging for thickness because the walls and bulkheads are as thin as possible for bunk area and operational space purposes.Traditionally carriers were the most influential, but the single most weak and vulnerable part of the fleet. That's why they're escorted by more armoured and faster vessels.The American carriers of today are still weak. They project a lot of power, but can't take any. All carriers are that way.So no, a drone deployed isn't a bad idea.It's the future, and Iran is showing balls in developing towards it.China probably has a few of them too. I'd imagine Russia is keen on it as well, and if Americans aren't developing it, they'll be left behind just like they were left behind in the 1930s with that battleship doctrine.Their command staff's eagerness to adapt is the only reason that the carrier took over in the Pacific. Britain is infamously stubborn and never caught up.
at this point the only question a wise man is asking himslef is what do i not know about iran ?
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>>530030849A carrier is designed to resist sinking if attacked. A freighter is designed to maximize the amount of cargo it can deliver.
>>530031894>bombing the USA could eventually become possible.I'm pretty pro Iran but that would be a fatal mistake even if they could pull it off.
>>530051800They would have had better luck repurposing or mimicking a freighter and just having it carry the drones. They should have just built this thing on the sea floor, that's how over it was for this ship from the start.
>>530030849it looks like something a nigger would build to LARP as white. surprised it wasn't made from straw and coconuts
>>530044581>>530048688I have looked it up for you. This guy crossed the ocean rowing a boat: https://rakonczay.com/en/szolo-transzatlanti-kenuzas/For some reason a powered boat could not do the same due to fuel economy.
>>530030849> drone carrier< BMX ramp into the ocean
>>530051800I always thought carriers were designed to carry as many aircraft as they can.
>>530053076>>bombing the USA could eventually become possible.>I'm pretty pro Iran but that would be a fatal mistake even if they could pull it off.They attacked Israel and killed jews. They can only escalate by killing even more jews. Killing goyim is not important in the eyes of our "leaders". If they attack the USA and only kill goyim there that is not even an escalation according to international law.
>>530053490People die attempting this shit. It's the sailing equivalent of Nutty Putty cave unless you have other boats following you.
>>530053785Surely we have better protocols in place to prevent 9/11 Two: Electric Boogaloo. Surely.
>>530030849Yes. There's way better ways to "ship drones".
>There's a whiff of an actual threat to Actual Homeland Security.>Dumb ball-sucking broad Trump appointed to harass Americans is shuffled off to South America.Imagine if Trump appointed non retarded people to protect America. For once.
>>530054060>Nutty Putty caveI just brought this up to demonstrate that fuel-wise it is not even a challenge to cross the ocean with a gasoline or diesel powered boat. And it not even need to move fast if it is submerged most of the time. Even if a few percent is destroyed by the sea it is still cheap. Remember these would be unmanned drones designed for a Kamikaze action.
