> Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard2 × 35 mm Oerlikon GDF autocannon, each with 320 rounds anti-air ammunition and 20 rounds anti-tankhas a 15 km range and is mounted at the front of the turret, between the guns;> It's the economical answer to the $35k suicide drones that's becoming mainstream
Because that is old tech.The current hotness is Rheinmetal Skynex (Rheinmetal used to be Oerlikon)Basically the same, but the bullets get programmed mid shot to explode into tungsten shrapnel that shred drones, rockets, missiles etc.
>>530053708>economical answerdo you know how much it costs now to power up a heavy industrial press to stamp the details?
>>530053939>but the bullets get programmed mid shot to explode into tungsten shrapnel that shred drones, rockets, missiles etc.Thats not new.
>>530053708I would fully support an European racial coalition led under Germany without the US and UK (uk would be occupied by us).
>>530054069
the innovation
>>530053708they're still building something like that!The main thing that I've learned from history is that people don't change.Whatever Germany is building, it will be complex, very expensive, require the best and brightest to operate and able to completely destroyed by a much cheaper and mass produced tech.I'm not even German (I'm Scottish fwiw) and I recognize that Germans are probably the highest form of European and the world would be better off with them running the show but they got sucker punched from behind by a nigger with a baseball bat and now we're stuck with this dogshit model until something drastic happens
>>530054374Your grandfather already had timed fused 88mm shells
>>530053939too expensive, takes too long to produce and cant stop the drones anyway.
>>530053708Aight I finna go play war thunder nowATTACK THE D POINT!
>>530054499Honestly, I feel like German arms manufacturers should try to focus on building something that can just be manufactured on mass with standardized parts for once, so when the next conflict happens they can just zerg the enemy with cheap vehicles.
>>530053708SPAAG is ancient tech that really fell off
because it doesn't work.Russian have tried with the armata, it's good on paper, but on the ground, it doesn't serve any purpose, doesn't bring superiority anywhere and is a sitting duck for drones
>>530054580It really isn't the same. Skynex sets the timer on the fuse for every shot, based on how fast the target is AND how fast the bullet is moving out of the barrel.>>530054586It might be expensive and slow to produce, but it is being used in Ukraine and its effectiveness against drones and missiles is without equal.
>>530053708Picrel are the successors. They are faster and cheaper.
>>530053708They are used in Ukraine to good effect.But you still need drones to overfly them. They are good for point defense, but not gonna defend your whole country from drones.
>>530055098Pretty sure that the point is to just have a bunch of trucks with them, to deploy them wherever necessary on demand.The Saudis for example probably did not expect their oil refineries to get hit. Once the Iran started attacking infrastructure, the US could have deployed similar systems to critical infrastructure to avoid further destruction.War keeps evolving, and having a decentralized mobile system that can reliably block off an entire space from all kinds of attacks is inherently valuable.
>>530054707You don't have the manpower of fuel for such zerg rushes.
I wonder if Rheinmetal from Germany can cooperate with ATLAS from Japan to build a rail gun with exploding bullets that work as an anti-air system. It all depends on if the Japanese rail guns can shoot far enough I guess.As far as I know, the main obstacle about the Railguns is accuracy on water. But if they shoot what is basically oversized shotgun shells, this might not be an issue.
>>530054911>90 million Euro>280 rounds of ammunitionLMFAOIn other words 281 drones will achieve 100% kill rate even in the worst case scenario (50 at once will 100% do it in too)No matter a drone costs $500, $5000 or $50000$50000 x 281 = ~$14 million = 1/6th of the costWhat a useless pile of shit.
>>530055678A battery made of 4 modules costs 90 million, if I understood correctly.
>>530055678you realize that they can be reloaded, right
>>530055678$400 of the $500 is profit. Cost of production $100 if you manufacture in bulk which they don't.
>>530053708Why not just build one of these with a massive radar and an APKWS II rotary launcher?
>>530054911> lets put a command and conquer defense turret on a flatbed truck and call it day
>>530056225Related: https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2025/12/2025-12-23-rheinmetall-hands-over-first-skynex-system-to-italy>On 18 December 2025, the first Skynex battery was handed over to the Italian Army at the Comando Artiglieria Controaeri (Air Defence Artillery Command) in Sabaudia.>Rheinmetall Italia S.p.A., Rome, received the order to deliver the first system with a total value of €73 million
>>530056383They will soon enough. Everyone will want these because they are combat proven to work against drones.Also, the price is for four of those. Not a single gun. And they are still more cost effective than missiles, even if it was just one.
>>530056556German engineering.
>>530053708Kamakazi drones made them obsoleteA drone that costs 2 thousand dollars to build can knock a tank out, how much did the tank cost?
>>530054069it is to the german military
>>530056556Their concept is much more complex. See >>530056225And >>530056581
>>530056647See >>530056708
>>530056388APKWS is just a Hydra air-to-ground rocket with a laser detector nose and servo fins.They aren't really good for anti-air. Much less range than Gepard's cannons and slower projectile speed.
>>530053939>but the bullets get programmed mid shot to explode into tungsten shrapnelSo flak then.
Janees don't want this weapon hence this thread is kept away on page +3 Daily reminder that niggers in Africa warn more than jannies who work for free
Btw why 35mm and not 20mm? More ammo per buck. (I don't think a drine can survive a 20mm bursting round)
>>530056581I want one on my house. Fully autonomous, ai and such. So i can sit WW3 out and play games at home.
>>530057697Picrel.
>>530056680>Kamakazi drones made them obsolete>A drone that costs 2 thousand dollars to build can knock a tank out, how much did the tank cost?These are not Frontline units to be targeted by fpv drones
>>530053708Big deal, a tank with 2 guns. China's already got one with 4
>>530057902>So i can sit WW3 outIt's best to move to a "safe" zone.
>>530053708APKWS is actually cheaper and more effective.
>>530057946$1000 per round btw, at 20 rounds per second, usually in 1.5 second bursts. £30,000Wouldn’t do to miss all that much for it not to be a worthwhile endeavour vs £50,000 shaheeds.
>>530058697It's not how big or how many but how you use them
>>530058983Yeah, it all costs quite a lot. But I think they calculate their prices taking into account the insurance of potential objects and damages that customers want to limit. Their customers seem willing to pay.
>>530053939Saw a vid on that…honest take: great tech but looked very expensive
>>530060012Doubt you can mass produce these at significant scale. Same issue as panzerhaubitze. Euro military is set for small scale conflicts where you out-jew the opponent with high tech. But it cnt compete with the masses of low cost soviet armor or iranian drones.
>>530058983>>530060012*Price details.
>>530056581That's actually pretty ingenious to put it on a skid with fork pockets. Very easy to move.
>>530060594Lmao completely unsustainable at scale
>>530060594Probably even cheaper to just fire raw silver or gold bullets
>>530060594> Complex electronic timerriiiight. I say 1 electronic trash smartphone from 2016 that costs 10€ has more complex electronics than thatTheres only 1 reason for them to charge that much. Nobody else is offering cheaper
Germany can't even heat their people's homes, forget making weapons past the renaissance
>>530061166>Germany can't even heat their people's homes,Damn really?
>>530061166t. Leonardo rep
>>530053708>current year germany>building anythinglol
>>530060582Technically, that's not a problem. Video related.
>germans go into autistic detail about equipment but no one bothers to mention anything about their real world effectivenessnot beating the rap
>>530061166Lmao. Picrel.You need to consume less Russian propaganda. Oh, wait, you're a rusnigger yourself, behind a VPN, then everything is clear.
>>530061396Germany has no longer the industrial base to shit out whats needed of that for a larger conflict. And at night when there‘s no sun the factories have to close because they suicided their energy.
>>530061262Tragic really, but alas this is the price for a tolerant and diverse Germany
>>530061753>muh Germany has no longer the industrial baseSure. For vacuum cleaners and refrigerators. Because it's pointless given exports from China..
>>530053708Maintenance. Rockets are easier to maintain than oiling fucking machine gun every 1 week therefore they are better.
>>530054707Nah, the current approach hard carried us through WWII by allowing us to make the most of our limited manpower.We don't have the zerg horde required for this strategy, never had never will. The autistic overengineering and organization may occasionally lead to retarded or funny results, but overally it is what allows us to pack a punch with a numerically limited force.
>>530055671Suggesting Germany and Japan should work together on war tech, as a german? Im calling the POLIZEI, they post is blatantly antisemitic.
>>530061752I was more referring to the fact that you're country is back to burning coal for fuel, but yeah Germany's divorce with Russia has left it in quite a sad state
>>530053708pay for it and they will build more of it poorfag
>>530053708>Why isn't Germany building more of these?germany only have the capacity to build a handful of tanks a yearthey simply don't have the ability, and that's without mentioning the corruption at multiple levels inflating the costs
>>530061752Look at your own pic, It's double the price than before you retarded nigger.
>Most countries turned their Shilkas to scrap just before it was their time to shineSad
>>530053939>>530054911German engineers can't stop over engineering everything, for 90 million € you could probably buy 500 Vierlingsflaks
>>530060786>drive forklift into italian base>steal air defense gun for my backyard
>>530054134I'd be cool if you just took London. Turn it into a fucking crater for all i care.I'd let you have the whole thing without any resistance if you took the fucking cuck politicians and had some fat slob grease her arms up with bacon fat and fistfuck them on national television before their execution.
>>530058983The price seems well calculated, since each warhead contains 152 tungsten submunitions.The customer effectively pays $6.50 for each submunition unit (1000/152).
>>530062805See >>530063835
>>530053708because germany is occupied american territory and the jews fear an armed germany
>>530063835Fuck tungsten. Make it out of steel
>>530053708a 35 dollar walmart drone with a $2000 dollar bomb can destroy it
>>530053708we have better flak tank than this.rheinmetall builds as many as it can build.need more rheinmetall factories all underground to be safe.
>>530064873>a 35 dollar walmart drone with a $2000 dollar bomb can destroy it
>>530064807>steel Not a good idea, steel needs more space, see picrel for comparison.
>>530062682Thats just a basic ass armored AA quad gun with no targeting computer and no advanced capabilities.All it does is to allow some vodka fueled Ivan to wildly spray and pray and maybe scare away some CAS from turning to attack.
>>530067302Do you know why the US went from 30.06 to 5.56? ALso, steel being half density means double the projectiles for the same weight. Tungsten is only justifiable when you are dealing with armored vehicles
>>530067661...and then your entire highly advanced AA system gets made useless by someone welding scrap metal sheets to those drones. Theres also zero incentive to offer alternative steel munitions as of course the company would earn less. These weapon systems are intended for European Nations and their allies who can afford them, not mutts and other third worlders.
>>530068243>These weapon systems are intended for European Nations and their allies who can afford them, not mutts and other third worlders.nobody can afford them, so few numbers.
>>530053708>gets taken out by 3 $500 FPV drones because tanks are worthless now
>>530053708>Not using electromagnetic warfare to disable dronesngmi
>>530067661Look, these 35mm warheads contain 152 tungsten projectiles. If you replace them with steel, you only get 60. This means you now need three shots to achieve the same effect on the target. That's why tungsten was chosen in this case.
>>530067640Ukraine has been using machine guns strapped to the back of pickup trucks against Shahed-style drones to reasonably good effect, a Shilka would absolutely work against them.
>>530056919yeah, that's a FLugAbwehr(revolver)Kanone.
>>530053708>> Flugabwehrkanonenpanzergoofy ahh name
>>530069683A Shilkas armor is also near useless against anything more than small arms fire, while significantly slowing it down and making it a big target.Theres a reason the Ukrainians are preferring said pickup truck mounts despite Shilkas being readily available. Ripping out the quadgun and mounting it on a truck is a far better solution than lugging around all the dead weight a Shilka comes with.
>>530070529Those pickup trucks are operating way, way in the rear defending targets like Kyiv where they're not getting shot at anyway, those drones are effectively being used as strategic bombers. The Gepard also has extremely thin armour (especially the large turret which IIRC is only about as armoured as the Shilka is) and Ukraine only has one single confirmed loss despite using them heavily for years, the Russians are clearly either unwilling to or incapable of effectively attacking any sort of mobile air defence unit at that kind of range. Yes, the Shilka is entirely unsuitable for being anywhere even vaguely near the front line, but these Shahed-style kamikaze drones are a threat that reaches a long, long way beyond any kind of contested area and is on paper at least should be pretty capable of engaging and destroying such threats while also being a cheap system that's relatively cheap per intercept which is the chief concern against these kinds of low cost kamikaze drones.
>>530056374600 drones with warheads, 600 manually steered ones with grenadesday is doneRIP wunderweapon
>>530071921>literally just drive down the road a bit and all 600 drones launched at the system miss completely because they're cheap launch-and-hope weapons>the 600 hand grenade droppers run out of battery and fall out the sky literally hundreds of kilometres away from the systemI get the impression that you don't know a whole lot about how these different types of drone systems work. If it was that easy all of Ukraine's Gepards would have been blown up years ago.
>>530069573>Look, these 35mm warheads contain 152 tungsten projectiles. If you replace them with steel, you only get 60.Math lmao300 steel projectiles weight the same as 152 tungsten projectiles (just make the round longer)
>>530053708Why do you need it to be mounted on a giant target of a coffin that costs time and money to produce instead of guns welded on four wheels to be pulled around and spam some more guns with the money you just saved?or actually, why do we try to over engineer precision strike expensive wunderguns instead of a cheap and solid gun nests ww2 style, something not even worth the effort to drop bombs on, but that can fire 500000 rounds a minute and build a wide fuck you wall of exploding flak ammo wherever the operator is pointing at?im an armchair general. give it to me why?
The Gepard had a reaally fast turrent.. >bweeee!fun times! German was goofy but almost everybody was super White.
320 rounds is nothing, have you seen what American AD guns fire at fucking mortar shells in the middle east ? That thing would probably only take 3 saheeds in ideal conditions before running dry
>>530071921damn, I guess a single Gepard won't defend the entire country from 600 drones per second, then
>>530053708Because they are fucking obsolete, whats wrong with you?The only counter for drones is more drones.
>>530071582Polan has (had?) a purely electro-optical Shilka mod that would probably do very wellbut that Soviet era radar is utter shit
>>530053708we have these now
>>530053708make the turrets fire literal fire and laser beams and you have yourself a sale.
>>530061052>vampire dronesN-nani?
>>530074905I want to see one shoot up leftards in Berlin
>>530053939>but the bullets get programmed mid shot to explode into tungsten shrapnel that shred drones, rockets, missiles etc.Yeah, yeah, so each bullet can cost 5,000 € and you will never have enough ammo for any high intensity scenario. And then you run out and get picked off by cheapest drones. Always the same bullshit form the Goymoney MIC.
>>530073033>just make the round longerLmao. So the warhead would have to be 2.5 times longer to achieve the same weight with steel. What does that look like in reality?
