Rent is theft.
>>530065729Anyone refuted this yet?
>>530065729Yes.
>>530065729>market incentives are theft
wiping my ass is theftme not littering is theft(you) reading this post is theft
>>530065729Usury is theftTaxes are theft
>>530066402Not getting my dick sucked every day by 10/10 Finnish grills is theft
>>530065729rent was due 6 days agochop chop rentoid
>>530065729>jews are the niggers of moneynews at 11
Value doesnt come from labour ,it comes from perception and need. If you percieve a roof over your head as something worth paying for, then you pay for it
You saving this pepe is theft.
>>530065729>profit is theftHow in the fuck is making more money than my expenses theft? People aren't going to make shit if they only get compensated for the cost of goods to make the product
>>530065729>if you aren't making money the way I want you to make money then that's stealingyep, that's socialists for you
>>530065729can i rent out a house i built? what does a person just starting out in life and has no money to buy a house do? just be homeless or what?
>internet communist who doesnt understand economics #1471280
>>530066522>muh perceptionIrrelevant, the price is lowered by competition. With perfect competition the only way to profit is to pay the worker less, therefore all value comes from labor.
>>530066008>>530066622digits confirmed
>Rentget your own then dumb mofo
>>530066712or the state can just seize it from you, houses are for living, not rent seeking :)
>>530065729Jews are the Thieves in the Temple
>>530066641I took a piss on the side of the road and found a 1lb nugget of gold.the gold is actually worth less because of this?
>>530066622liberals don't care about anything but what makes them feel good this instantthey'll butcher all the farmers then butcher anyone that complains about there being no food, then end up being reduced to cannibalizing the mountain of human corpses while telling themselves it's the sneaky Jews' fault
>>530065729can we get a running list of all real estate attorneys ?interrogative
Eating a banana is theft.Selling a banana is theft.The labor expended in growing, picking, and transporting a banana is exploitative, therefore when you buy, steal, or eat a banana you're participating in theft of labor.
>>530066886if people found 1lb of gold as easy as that then the price of gold would drop dramatically. Speculation or taking advantage of situations is not part of the theory of value
>>530066795>RENT IS THEFT>but if the government steals it from you that's ok>and if I pay income tax to live in it IT'S DIFFERENT OK?
>>530066641perception is literally the only thing that's relevant you dope, monetary value is literally an imaginary social constructtrying to pretend it's objective reality is as stupid as trying to pretend the bullets narcoterrorists are shooting at you will vanish if you just deny their existence
>>530066795the state can only support itself through taxation, which the OP already established as unlawful theft because the tax collector did none of the labor, the taxpayer did
>>530066548Call the bolis nigga
>>530065729I would agree with rent -- but not with profit. You do have a right to make a profitable business.But there are many, many industries which should be controlled by State to eliminate rent-seeking.
>>530065729I mean how fucking well it ended in communist countries>no one gave a shit about development because why, it's not yours anyway>nepotism was everywhere>workers strikes were attacked with tanks and planes (imagine workers who were owners of means of production striking, do you have any other system in which owners of factories strike and are killed for it?)>you had plenty of money, shops were empty, you had to wait 20 years for car
>>530067033What a waste of digits.
>>530065729Yes but the goy must deal in the real world
>>530065729Actually labor is theft, because you are laboring with stolen resources on stolen land. Only the Native Americans have a right to work and a right to earn. Anyone else is a thief, a nazi, a fascist, a racist, a sexist, and an evil white man.
>>530067050>>530067167>noooo you cant use police force to make people lives better you can only use it for protecting my scam scheme and imaginary property!cuck, thats why you are owned by the jews
>>530067167No, the State issues money. It does not need to acquire any money from you. It is the other way around -- you don't have any money until the State spends it into existence.Now -- you very well can have REAL RESOURCES outside of and apart from the State. But you cannot have formal money -- which is not, in fact, a "medium of exchange" but rather a unit of account. Whose unit? The State's.
>>530065729what about taxation?
>>530065729You are basically saying investment is theft (not allowed to gain on stuff you don't work for). Without being able to make independent decisions on capital allocation, our market is as dead as any other commie market.
>>530065729so if someone builds a house, and you pay them for their labor, that's okay because they are making money off their labor.what if they build it and instead of selling they rent it out. then they are still making money off their own labor.
>>530066891Kek imagine falling for this
>>530067033so if a bunch of spics (like you) beg me for a job and pay that isnt equivalent to 100% of the yield of their raw labor am I not just "taking advantage of situations"?
>>530065729If you make more money from your employer than it takes to survive, is that profit theft?
>>530066560>People aren't going to make shit if they only get compensated for the cost of goods to make the productBut the people get compensated much less than what the product costs lmao
>>530066491hihi, i'll be a girl for you :3
>>530065729>If you are making money that didn't come from your own laborWhy are people who talk like this always in favor of UBI and welfare?
>>530067104Things have value only because it takes work to create them. Anything that can be obtained easily like air, its worthless.>b-but muh sneakers that costs 1 cent to make but dumb niggers buy for $1000The value there is the work of marketers that established a brand over the years to make niggers believe
>>530066008Yes. It's been debunked for millennia in every language known to man. Reality itself debunks it every single day. The only solution left is to kill everyone who won't accept reality.
>>530065729So then I can own a woman again then? Because women are basically renting themselves out, doesn't that mean they're criminals?
>>530065729Yes, it's exploitation.
>>530067471Renting isn’t meant to be a long term solution. It only makes sense if you don’t think you’ll be there for more than 5 years. Usually you can buy a place and have a similar mortgage to renting. But you would be gambling to buy and sell in a few years because of market volatility. It also gives renters a way to live above their means and live in a place that the can’t actually afford. Sort of like leasing an expensive car.
>>530067649Gonna explain how or?
>>530066008So everyone should work for free? That’s called slavery libtard
>>530067592the rich already receive socialism and bailoutsbut the average guy can't?
>>530067288Poor wittle brokie
>>530065729Just kill people that think that way.
>>530065729>Rent is theftWhy do you feel like you should get to live on someone else's property for free? Housing isn't a right.
Everything costs one dollar and everyone makes one dollar an hour no matter what they do. There, economics is now solved and we can put it behind us and focus on bigger things. You're welcome.
>>530067644>tries to revive Marx's Labor Theory of Valueyou're still as wrong and stupid as u/AbolishWork
>>530067800>Be Rich>Work really hard to get rich>Have to work really hard to stay rich>Be poor>Work really hard but ultimately squander time>Complain and stay poorWhich of these seems easier to you? Which of these do most people do?
>>530066673The value of that gold is put up against the labor power needed to procure that gold in a mine/ refine it etc. The marketplace of labor still dictates the price of your piss nugget.
>>530065729>profit is theft>>530067763If yiu cant figure it out using your brain over the course of about 10 seconds, no amount of people trying to teach you will solve the problem. Youre asking a question that is effectively the equivalent of, "how do you know the sun is bright"
BONK isn’t stealing anyone’s labor . Cope chud>>530065729 crypto is the future
>>530067984Who's says anything about living for free?Gonna say something anti-semetic:Make renting out homes illegal and let people own their homes.
>>530067288Why are the police doing redistribution ? If theyre entitled to take, why not just take it all for themselves?Pussies like you won't do anything about it.
>>530065729welfare is... theft?
A very straightforward solution is a radical and massive expansion of public housing -- and you would need to draft the reserve army of the unemployed to assist with it. Capital has already decided it doesn't want to use these people for anything so there is no issue there.But this way you don't need to seize anyone's existing property or properties. If they have really great units, let them keep renting them. This probably means that the new housing in this theory may not be in the most prime locations -- that's okay, capital has already decided it doesn't want to be there anywhere so it's not a problem.And just provide enough housing so no one is forced to rent from private landlords. Since so many people already have their own home, or a privately rented apartment that they like, you don't even need to produce anywhere near as much housing as you would think.But even in a publicly owned situation, the rent could not be literally zero. There are maintenance and construction costs.
>>530067288>>YOU CANT JUST INVEST IN THINGS (like Marx did irl)>you have to let my communist jewish cartel own and run everything :DDD>>530067592wait until they find out section 8 housing subsidies (which landlords profit off of) comes from their taxes on "the rich">>530067763>you want to start a business or live somewhereYes>do you have the money to build the entire house/shopfront from the ground upNoso you give an investor who had the money to buy/build the building a fraction of the total cost over a period of time.
>>530065729If he said rent is extortion id be partially on board... cant afford to buy? Pay a small monthly fee for housing... that just becomes bigger and bigger... cant afford? Just live on the street then!Its also tricky to make things right here, but the prices become ridiculous...
>>530068149Renting is never going to become illegal. Its a ridiculous proposition. Theres plenty of people and businesses that want to rent for a ton of reasons. Ask for a second homestead act instead of saying retarded things only a 20 year old could think.
>>530065729>With my own labor I make a trap out of trash and catch crabs>Sell them, eat some>repeat next day and day after>I have more money than I did before, therefor profited>If I made another trap and paid someone to catch crabs with me, the result would have been the same x2>MFW I stole from either myself or the aether
>>530065729>no labor is required to keep a dwelling in a legally inhabitable conditionwhat a retard
>>530067050Yes
>>530065729>laborThese people don't even know how to change a tire lol
>>530068042>nooo its wrong because this jew said soTry harder. Marx is still the most relevant intellectual for this century. He predicted "own nothing be ((happy))" more than a century ago>you have to let my communist jewish cartel own and run everythingThe workers have to own it
>Profit is theft Retards really think like this. How could anyone survive if profit was theft. A farmer sells his crop for a profit. He worked to grow that crop. If he could only sell the crop for what it cost for him to produce it why produce surplus crop in the first place? He would be better off just be a subsistent farmer and letting your ass starve. Profit is the incentive for the farmer to produce the surplus that sustains you.
>>530068149>Who's says anything about living for free?Every rentoid like OP who says rent is theft.>Make renting out homes illegal and let people own their homes.Who are you to tell someone else what they can and can't do with their property? Property rights, and the strict enforcement of them, are the foundation of any free society.
>>530065729Literal slavery mindset>The only way you can earn something is through the expenditure of effort>Fishing nets are theft!>Growing plants is theft!>Catching rainwater is theft!
>>530065729>Taxes are theft>Welfare is theftKeep going
>>530065729>t. poorfagthe moment this person acquires wealth the "property is theft" idea will evaporate into thin air
>>530068397Why would the other worker work for you if he can make his own trap.>>530068518You are entitled only to profit from your work. Parasite jew
>>530066008Yes. Pretty much everyone did. And then commies ignore it and keep pretendings that their retarded socialist scheme will one day work. And of course they'll never explain to you what socialism is and how they'll get it to work. It's a forever trip into the horizon and as you move, so do the horizon. You never get there but millions die in the process that'll fail because it was "not real socialism".
>>530065729He fucked up with saying profit is theft. Everything else is right.
>>530067500On vacation, Captain Sweden?
>Consensual transactions are theftIt's not shocking every communist regime has had a famine with logic like this
>>530068527This is why the actual solution is to simply go around landlords. Don't waste time trying to seize their properties -- it's pointless. Just drown them with supply. Those who have super great units or offer great prices/location, or just "rent real good" shouldn't have any issues.But there should be enough publicly-owned housing where no one has to involuntarily rent from a private landlord.
>>530068425Hahaha hahahaYour just obsessed with his flowery faggot language. Most of the things he said are ridiculous nonsense covered up with 2 dollar words. He was objectively wrong sbout the workers of the world uniting, he thought that would happen soon. He also thought that governments would willingly dissolve, and that people would become like farmer poets. It was ridiculous fucking nonsense only a literal faggot could think was accurate
>>530065729Rent-seeking is theft.Gouging is theft.Interest is actual Godless usury and we should burn anyone who imposes it.
>>530065729If you live in a home you didn't build, that is theft
>>530066641This is so fucking stupid. How does a person reach this point?
>>530068692So if you can't afford a home what are you supposed to do if you can't rent one?If I have a home that I don't want to sell why shouldn't I be able to rent it? Its mine, the person agreeing to rent it is doing so willingly, in what way is that theft? Now taxes on the other hand, I didn't choose to pay them and if I don't someone will come and take my money by force. That's theft.
>>530068425>The workers have to own itLook to Blackrock and the Teacher's Unions for how that works.You "Own it" by holding a piece of paper claiming a 1/360,000,000th share in the 100,000,000,000 company. You're entitled to a piece of paper that is worth $277.77 of stock. You have voting rights in what the company does, but the Jewish fund managers speak for you because they're managing your stock and your vote is "yes/no" on vague questions like "Do you want to vote for moral management", without any definition of "moral Management", so you get ESG bullshit that you didn't ask for, but Larry Fink wants and because he manages the funds, he speaks for you.
>>530066008Rent is a service. There is taxpayer funded housing provided by the government, but you don't qualify. Only browns and illegals do.
>>530068425This is SO fucking STUPID. How does a “person” (>implying) reach this point?
>>530068792>He was objectively wrong sbout the workers of the world uniting,We are reaching the point of socialism, that will happen after communism. China is executing his theory perfectly
>>530066641>>530067033You can't use the market to determine value if you're saying the market is based on theft. That value it arrives at is also theft.
>>530066008the person in the op hires people to draw for him his webcomic
>work hard for years>live beneath your means>use the money you saved to make investments instead of consooming more>effectively making a net contribution to the economy>withdraw your money>now invest it in a building>work hard again to satisfy the kafkaesque legal conditions for you to rent out>finally after all this hard work you are finally getting paid>NOOOOO YOU DIDN'T WORK FOR IT?Are sound financial decisions not work? Don't people need to make efficient decisions in the economy for it to function? Is it not an economically productivity activity as important as hewing coal from the earth or sheathing wreaths of wheat? Or do you think everything just falls into place magically? No, a human mind was behind everything you see.Rent is working smart.Profit is working smartInterest is working smart.It is not manual labor, but it is still work. These people are just better than you, more intelligent than you, who put in more forethought and planning, who were more patient and did not give in to the temptation to sell everything and buy conveniences and luxuries. Why is this so difficult for low IQ BIPOCs to understand?
>>530066008Sadly, the world is not that simple
>>530068958Not an argument.>>530069165No one said to not use the market. The worker is allowed to sell the fruits of his own labor.
>>530068888So here's the thing:The labor of the workers has a cost. The materials used to build the home have a cost. Can we embrace new or even old techniques to lower that labor cost and bill of materials? Yes, we probably can. Is there a ton of incentive for private industry to do it right now? No, there isn't. They want to sell the home, no matter how nice or shitty, for the highest possible price they can.So that's one area we can look at. Mass timber and 3D printing with poured concrete are rather promising.But there is a third component to the cost, isn't there? That's the loan. The loan which the bank creates out of nothing. They don't use existing reserves. Loans create deposits, not the other way around.So we need to ask a very serious question here in asking what the actual appropriate cost here is for this product that doesn't actually cost anything to produce?
>>530068518Because that's literally marxism, abundance in marxist terms is having basic food and shelter. Every marxist wet dream, perhaps subcioncously, is people sitting in damp rooms, eating buckwheat and reading the theory. These people must be killed, in minecraft
>>530065729What happens if my labor enables the labor of others?
Violence against communists is always justified
>>530068691Retarded cold war take. Communism and capitalism are not opposites.
>>530069118>Only browns and illegals do.Sounds like theft to me then.
>>530065729That doesn't even make sense. Renting might not include profit. Same with interest - since a percentage of loans will default you need some interest on the rest to break even.
>>530066641>>530069275>materials, startup costs and shipping don't matter brolol
>>530065729College educayshun + attic room + parents' house + spoiled, middle class shitlib = glorious communism attempt no. 849
>>530069305> What happens if my labor enables the labor of others?That's just labor. Every labor enables other labor because you create something that gets passed to other laborers until it gets consumed.If you can't describe in a few words what you create, your job is fake and you're just a parasite.
>>530069303>Every marxist wet dream, perhaps subcioncously, is people sitting in damp rooms, eating buckwheat and reading the theory.that's what everyone else will be doing. In their fantasy they will be the ones debating and expanding theory. In reality they would be fucking losers just like they are under this system because it's not the system that is problem, it's them. Except under communism they'd have to actually work a labor job and they'd probably an hero after an hour of actual labor.
>>530069264>Don't people need to make efficient decisions in the economy for it to function?This can be centrally planned. Nowadays it would be far efficient than a group of very rich jews doing it
>>530068692>profit is theftProfit is unpaid wages.
>>530065729You breathing oxygen is theft
>>530065729rent certainly is jewish
>>530065729so if someone builds a jet engine, then hires me to do maintenance on it, i should get all the profits from Delta, right?glad we're in agreement, I'll be waiting for my cheque in the mail
>>530069264Communism wants to destroy the Middle Class in the same way that Jews want to wipe out every non-Jew with an IQ over 100.They want to reduce society to "The leaders [Jews/The Politburo]" and "Workers".They call them "Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires", but they mean The Middle Class who aren't reliant on a boss for work or food.
Charging me when I fap to traps is theftWho is doing all the work?
>>530068527>Who are you to tell someone else what they can and can't do with their property?I'm their murderer>Property rights, and the strict enforcement of them, are the foundation of any free society.A society free from traitors and foreigners
>>530067337>barter doesn't exist>things that are not minted by a state have never been used as currencyYou may be retarded.
>>530069303And also not in Minecraft.
>>530066428Cool it with the anti semitism
>>530065729How is you giving money to someone else willingly considered theft?
>>530066622as long as the rent is not making the landlord a profit, it's fine. that's his point.
>>530068783>But there should be enough publicly-owned housing where no one has to involuntarily rent from a private landlord.Based!
>>530069275>The worker is allowed to sell the fruits of his own labor.Yes but it would be theft for someone to buy it, since they didn't make it themselves
>>530065729I mean to be fair some landlords do labor, my landlord had to hire unlicensed illegal immigrants to do handyman work for him, going to Home Depot and offering them 3 dollars an hour to turn his slum properties into death traps is work.
>>530068518>How could anyone survive if profit was theft. A farmer sells his crop for a profit.Every socialist country had profit
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>>530069634> i should get all the profits from Delta, right?No but you should be paid proportionally to the value you generated.No matter how much money your company makes with your labor, you don't see any of it because everything goes to the shareholders.So as the company grows shareholders accumulate and laborers stay poor. Capitalism 101, poor people exist to make rich people richer.That's why no one is having kids
>>530069682I think you're the one who is retarded. Everything you are trying to say as a "gotcha" was already covered in the post you are replying to.You just don't like the end conclusions so you want to rage about it like a dumbass rightoid.The entire point of barter is that you are trading real resources and not using formal money. Why are you owning yourself because of your 2nd grade reading level?
>>530069156Quick check, is america a capitalist or communist country?>inb4 you get this one wrong.
>>530069370Illegals and other people who shouldn't be in the country getting it. Yes it's absolutely theft, from the taxpayer.
>>530065729Rent is exploitation and the housing market is fucked by people buying homes for the sole purpose of turning a profit instead of raising a family. I think rent is fine to a degree but we all know landlords are charging well more than humanly necessary.People who treat housing like a business to profit from are scum.
>>530065729>I restore a home>use my labor>use my resources>provide shelter >I'm the bad guy
>>530069894I get paid a bonus if we did particularly well.And I ALSO buy stock in the company with my spare money at the end of every month, so I get a share of that shareholder profit too.Sorry you thought spending it on weed and booze and pussy and funko-pops was the superior choice.
>>530065729Rent kind of is theft. You're already paying taxes the the feudal lord. Why are you also paying rent/mortage?
>just build a giant public housing ghetto and stuff the motivated-but-poor in with literal niggers and human trash >the public sector should be in charge of everything statists need to die
>>530069894Nobody is having kids because women don't need to rely on men when they can ride the cock carousel.Even Stalin realized this was a major problem in the Nascent USSR and outlawed the sexual degeneracy that Lenin allowed.
>>530069974>he doesn't know about historical altetnative currenciesYou're the retard here.
>>530065729>Faggots discovering ursurytook em a while
>>530070012You provide nothing faggot. Land does not do any work.
>>530070102>Why are you also paying rent/mortage?Because you can't afford to pay cash outright for the house
>>530070012You are not necessarily a bad guy. You may have a good heart, I don't know. You renting and wanting to rent something out doesn't even make you a bad person.The core issue is that there are a lot of people who are forced to do lots of different things in various sectors of employment that don't involve learning how to construct a house for themselves or being in an organized state program to construct public housing (think Habitat for Humanity writ large) because they need to pay rent to someone so they aren't homeless.
Marx simple observation is that every worker is exploited.>b-but *obtuse edge case*Doesn't refute the fact that there's a small group of very rich people (mostly jews) who have never worked and will never work and control the government, media, etc while living in luxury, and their sons and daughters will do the same, no matter what. And you are a wage cuck struggling to pay rent, because its getting harder and harder to squeeze out money from the workers to make profits.
>>530068641>Catchphrase hiding vacuous thinking I was talking about a farmer retard how is a farmer selling his crops for profit him not profiting from his work? He worked to produce that crop. Profit is the money you make after you sell a product and you subtract the cost to produce that product. You saying profit is theft is saying that labor is valueless. Its fucking retarded. Obviously the farmer has a right to charge more for his crops then it cost him to produce them. That's the only way the effort is rewarded.
>>530066491come home, america man
>>530070233No, that's Antisemitic Bigotry. It's the middle class who've figured out about usury and are able to live outside of the [Jewish] boss-worker dialectic who are the problem.
>>530065729That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
>>530065729and this guys idea of labor is making comics?
>>530070078I know how the game works because I inherited multiple properties.Those properties earn me more money than my full time engineering job.Management hates me because they can't bully me like my other colleagues who live paycheck to paycheck, but they keep me around because I'm quite good at my job.So yeah, having magical money appearing on my account each month has made me very aware of the Jewishness of the system.And no the costs of maintenance don't even come close. The market is so tough that I could raise my rents but I don't because I prefer low turnover.
>>530069584Money speculation, private equity firms and fractional banking is not just theft, it's evil and in most cases tacit free range slavery.
>>530066428Interesting that the twitterfag didn't mention taxes, probably because he relies on subsidies in some way.
>>530070325>farmer working his own farmgood>((farmer)) paying niggers barely to survive and reaping the profitsplantation, exploitation, slavery.How is that hard to understand.
>>530070242>Land does not do any workPeople who don't own land believe thisIf you stop working on the land to keep maintained, it gets overgrown quick and destroys whatever improvements you have made to it. This can take a matter of weeks or months or years, depending on the environment, but it is a guarantee.Commies are when you don't understand Maintenance.
>>530066008refute a string of undemonstrated declaratives? why?
>>530065729True, but communism is the biggest theft there is.
>>530070196Money is whatever the State says it is. If the State has loose and little authority, something else may spring up that people exchange informally.But it doesn't matter if the money is iron bars, or gold coins, or silver, or paper -- it's what the State says it is. The French crown said X ounces or grams of gold is equal to a livre and so that's what it is. And they can revalue it any time they want.
>>530066641Labor is needed to create value, but value doesn't "come from labor" in a vacuum. If you have a more efficient production process you produce more value with less labor, which contradicts the labor theory of value.
>>530070383making comics with materials given to him by the state for the cost price of their raw materials, of course (anything more is theft)
>>530069894Idiot
>>530069981A kike owned country.
>>530068047>the rich worked hardgood laughalso you're a dumb goylem
Seems like as good a thread as any to start in. Remember when Nate said this?
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>>530070522>currency is only what a state defines it asThis is false, and you aknowledge this in your very own answer. One of a states powers is to issue currency. This does not mean currency does not exist without a state.
>>530070606Haha he didn't say property but yeah he said land. I really wanted to be like "maybe You cant own land but I'm not broke"
>>530070684Bro...Well he wasn't completely wrong you can't own ground you just have an agreement that you have certain rights
>>530070286You can just buy land, then hire a worker to build you a house and pay him for his labor
>>530070671No, it's not false. Money is a creature of the State. The chartalists are right -- everyone else is wrong. The "Robinson Crusoe" story of money being invented is not true.
>>530070761Yeah yeah I know. Not the place for that. Ok but then if that's true you can't own anything. If I have an apple you could take it. I could eat the apple, do I own it then?
>>530065729What if you pay rent to the person who built the home? Wouldn't that then be a fair exchange? Or do you expect to live for free in a home you didn't construct, thus stealing the labor of someone else?How would you profit off your own labor without stealing? Would you make literally everything from scratch? Where would you get the materials to even start without someone else doing some work for you? Planting seeds in a garden is fantastic, but first you need to go locate the plants you wish to cultivate growing naturally in the wild and harvest them. Then you need to find some iron ore deposits, smelt it, add carbon, then shape yourself a steel hoe so that you may turn your land to plant your seed. Anything less is theft. Interest is the only way to offset the risk of you stealing, or not paying back the loan) (theft). I'd be all for no interest loans because usury is a sin. Anyways, go stab something to eat with a pointy stick, otherwise you'll be robbing from farmers.
>>530070366Your pic is just the bottom rung of communism. The top is a form of judaism over the goy just like fiat and fractional reserve banking.
>>530065729Money no longer comes from "labor".We don't live in the 1800s anymore.You aren't being exploited.You have no labor that's useful to the system.The system doesn't want to profit off your labor.It ideally just wants you gone.No one is stealing anything from you.You're a useless bum. You have nothing worth stealing.You're only useful as a negative drain to fuel the welfare state.You're only useful as a way for tax money of the actually useful minority of actual producers to be funneled into government programs for you to suck off of while you complain and whine.
>>530070472>How is it hard to understand I mean I agree that you shouldn't be paying slave wages, I'd just argue that Marxist never really answered the question of how should producing the means of production be valued. If I build a factory and hire workers to work it a Marxist would argue we should share the profit equally, but then fundamentally the Marxist is saying the labor I did to build the factory is valueless. If the farmer is allowed to profit from his fields because of the work he did to make the crops then why is the guy who built the factory not allowed to profit from building the means of production that serves everyone. Its why Marxism always collapses because they are always the enemies of any technological progress.
>>530065729"Profit" is the inevitable requirement forced upon us by the laws of thermodynamics. You must consume more calories than you lose, or you die. You must do get your business out of the red, or it becomes insolvent and everyone you hired is unemployed.Renters, it turns out, are lowlife losers who aren't responsible enough to own their own homes. They do not save, they do not strive, they do not build, grow, or plan. They stumble around from one personal crisis to another. That society does to the trouble of erecting systems that keep the rain off their heads is something they should be grateful for, if they had any decency at all.
>>530070478Then own your own home and do maintenance work on it faggot nigger. But stop buying other properties to try to live off others hard work.
>>530070835Hmm. Consumption is definitely one of the rights given to property owners. Someone could make you throw the apple up, though.
>>530070525That's missing the point. Ok, sure, value comes from the most efficient way of producing something. A theory usually have assumptions to make the point clear, in this case, we assume the worker is doing its labor in the best possible way they can.
>>530070286People who seethe about rent are eternal renters/ poor. I could just sell the duplex to Blackrock and let let them price gouge the fuck out of people instead of offering a very reasonable monthly rent.
>>530070596>>Got their start>Elon's dad's emerald mine handed him a trillion dollars? Holy shit, that fucker never worked a day in his life!If you understood that wealth is ideas, not money, then you would be wealthy too, but you don't, so you're not. Instead you're a useful idiot in a failed revolution to replace one set of wealthy elites with another set of wealthy elites.You don't need the apples and cream anyway.
>>530070922Ok so once I eat AND digest the apple, I own it. Right?
>>530070805Yes, you can do that. If you have all of the money up front. You might not! And so we circle back to the core question of what is the appropriate price of this "service" that the bank is providing?Keep in mind we know that the government issues all money at origin. That which is not created by the government directly and instead created by the banking sector still ultimately arises through State power as banks get their ability to create deposits as loans through their State charter.
Stupidity (greed, FOMO) is taxed. This is in accordance with the Law
>>530070997Well you certainly have laid claim to it lol. But it's not an apple anymore, it's energy and poop. Let's test this theory with something you can consume but not by eating. I can't think of anything yet
>>530069992Not to mention how the state in most countries is the biggest owner of rentals and they do everything in their power to fill them up with third-worlders who are heavily dependent on welfare, but socialist-fagggot-redditor-monogloids somehow always skip that part and blame some low-level guy who may own an apartment complex.
>>530066891>user named Red Redford>doesn't know how farming workschecks out
>>530069274Why isn't it?
>>530070905You're not maintaining the home and you're not on the hook to repair it. Get a real job and make some money and buy your own house.
>>530070891>I'd just argue that Marxist never really answered the question of how should producing the means of production be valued.You are right, Marx gave no answer at all on how communism is supposed to be organized. But that's not the point, even if slavery is the only current way of management, is still slavery.Marx said just two things>capitalists live off exploiting workers>the workers will eventually own nothing and that will give way to socialism
>>530071079Hmm ok well we consume but don't eatGasDrugsOne time use items like a paintballLet's go with the paintball
>>530069217You mean paying a person for their labour?
>>530066008rent is them letting you use their property.you didn't any work into creating it, therefore demanding to live there for free would be theft
>>530070954But would they be eternally poor if they weren't paying so much in rent? I imagine quite a few would be! It would just be more money to transfer to someone else who has produced something they wish to consume.But I don't think it would be the case with all of them or even most of them. And that's why very realistic solutions that don't involve infringing on existing landlords property rights or their labor are so heavily resisted.Because those solutions would infringe on their coerced consumer market.
>>530071210After you use a paintball you don't own a paintball anymore, you own a memory and a splatter
>>530069118>Rent is a service.Where's the service?
>>530069275and once I bought the fruits of someone else's labor I am allowed to rent it.
>>530065729>earn money with my own labor>that profit is theftlollmao even
>>530070522>The French crown said X ounces or grams of gold is equal to a livre and so that's what it is. And they can revalue it any time they wantNo, they cannot, they need to pay attention to trustworthiness of currency, or it will collapse and be replaced by other currency in actual market transactions, as has been the case numerous times in history. That's the whole chartalist theory debunked, thanks
>>530071288Continuous permission to live on the property is the service.
>>530071262Are there any one time use items you can own which also have constant properties? How can something be single use if nothing about it changes while being used?
Landlords actually believe they deserve infinite rent money.
>>530065729rent is theft but home ownership is bigger and worse theft currentlythe only thing that isnt theft is living on empty land in the middle of nowhere and being a hermit and withdrawing from society entirely
>>530071092there's also this idea amongst leftists that the "state" is altruistic and only ever seeks to cover its costs. In reality the "state" is staffed from the most inept people who can't survive in the public sector, constantly haemorrhages money through corruption and inefficiency, and relentlessly gouges the private sector in an attempt to make up for it, and to finance all manner of political pork barrels and vanity projects
>>530066008How is profit theft? I can't even profit from the fruits of my labour?
>>530071230What if we all build our own homes with our own labour?
>>530065729the wish for everlasting communist bliss isn't realistic. no profit means products would have to be sold at cost of manufacturing. what part of that cost is your labour? what is just? try imagine individual life as a growth curve. without personal growth, you'd always be in need of someone doing the larger investments for you, aka the roof over your head. once you've grown and earn money, you need more than your basic needs, so you can build something that secures your life when you're old and no longer able to earn. the whole 'labour away for a wage that covers your needs', is jewish bullshit. both the communist and the liberal version. capitalism without jews and financial trickery is a feasible concept that maximises creativity. add some control via majority vote and bob should be your uncle. sadly, this is utopian for as long as we're dealing with people who openly state 'let the goy deal with it in real life'. they are the thieves in your scenario, as well.
>>530071364So the government is providing you a service? Isn't that communism?
>>530065729if you're living for free in a home you don't own you are committing theft
>>530071390I can't think of any. You'd just be able to use it again. What if it's something each individual could only use once, like getting your ears pierced. You can't put a hole in the same place twice
>>530065729Lend your money out for free! Market, store and distribute goods for no extra cost! Let people live in your property for free!
>>530065729>Rent is theft >Profit is theft >Interest is theft >Op is retarded
>>530065729pay denbts, faggot
>>530071303The "trustworthiness" of the currency is built entirely around what you can purchase with the currency and nothing else.If there is not much that you produce within your own country and the countries that you wish to buy from don't want to accept your currency or want more of it because they don't trust it, then you have a problem in theory.But if you are issuing more money and you have enough production to cover your civilization's needs, it's not the same kind of problem. If you are issuing new money to expand productive capacity, that's definitely not a problem.And so obviously we are getting to the nonsensical idea of "devaluing" a currency in the modern sense: there is no gold standard. These currencies are floating. You can revalue them pretty much at will through spending and taxation and debt destruction (repayment or writing off).
>>530071460What does "making money that isn't your own labour" mean?
>>530071583We're in trouble if all we can own is a hole.Heh well not that much trouble lol the last holes you owned were decent...But seriouslyI think we are in agreement. There's no such thing as a single use item which does not change its properties in some way upon being used. Since you can consume them wholly, or at least consume their usefulness, it's possible to own them
>>530071427so my wife and I have worked hard and have bought our two young kids a house each, we have a thirty year mortgage on them, and until they are old enough to move into them, we are renting them out to cover costs. you posit that we are evil and exploitative for helping our kids have a better life than we did?
>>530071230>use their propertyNigger private property laws may be the single most jewish invention ever. "This piece if worthless paper says i alone a spot on this planet and can rule over it! If you want to exist in the area this paper says i own, then you must pay me while I do nothing."It's highly jewish and needs to go away
>>530071457The State creates money. It cannot "hemorrhage" money. It cannot go bankrupt.It can run out of real resources. It can experience unwanted or even unmanageable levels of inflation.But it cannot run out of money.
>>530069156China has a partially open market and incredibly low wages. Do the workers own the means of production there?
>>530071754Heh true.Alright let's agree that things which can be consumed can be owned. Most things have an expiration date. Hell even the earth has an expiration date. Nate WAS full of shit!
>>530065729>Profit is theftRetard. If I make a flute and sell flute for more than what I made it for that isn't theft that is just paying for labor
>>530069275>No one said to not use the market.Communism is explicitly against the market setting prices.
>>530066641>all value comes from labor.No. The beginning of all value is from labor, but things like quality and demand drive up value above the cost of labor.If I pay you $100 to make widgets that sell for $100 today and then tomorrow some Instagram e-thot gushes about how great it is and that causes a surge in demand on the products I've already paid you to make are suddenly in such short supply that they're selling for $1000, should I go back and pay you the difference? What about when that e-thot spazzes out and ends up on only-fans, spit-roasted by Tyrone and Jamal and everything she endorsed suddenly drops in price and I can't sell the same products for even $1, are you going to give me back the money I already paid you to make the product?As labor, you assume none of the risk, so why should you get the profit beyond what you agreed to work for in the first place?
>>530071364>Continuous permissionThe land kike admits he does no actual work and just wants free money.
>>530071701>they want more of currency because they don't trust itI knew MMT-ers are retarded but this is just too much.
>>530071813to be honest I was more thinking of the public sector at all levels. as a property owner, one of my major expenses is property rates which are set by local council, who absolutely can run out of money
>>530071467>What if we all build our own homes with our own labour?I'm ok with that, but the subhumans will all complain that they don't know how to build homes and will demand I do it for them. Instead, we should just implement open season on freeloaders and losers.You're not accidentally miserable, we do it to you on purpose because you deserve it.
>>530071848I mean... Isn't he always?Ok so because a car has obsolescence it can be owned too, we agree. The earth.. the timeframe of its obsolescence is a bit vast but it could always be destroyed, so yeah, I guess you can own land.
>>530071288Try owning some property after renting. The service is paying property tax for the tenants, ensuring local taxes for schools and law enforcement. It's fixing broken utilities and maintaining clean and functional commons. It's taking the initial investment risk on property with no promise of margin profit. There's also massive legal liability that tenants don't hold. The service is providing cover for itinerant before they move on or get their own property.
>>530071776>helping our kids have a better life than we did?Privilege doesn't help them anon. Just fucking ruins them and robs them of the development of growing their own personal responsibility character.
>>530065729Profit isnt theft, especially considering labor turns profit and if you can allow your own labor to turn a big enough profit you canoffer for others to turn a profit with their labpr as well of the back of it and there is nothing wrong with that of they are willing participants.. Tent and interest though, they are jewish and gay but not really theft.Taxation is literal theft.
>>530071776You're not necessarily evil. But there is a coercion effect here. Someone else needs a place to live and you are providing this service, in theory.But their alternative is to live on the street. They have to live somewhere, so the same calculus we are applying to you would apply to another would-be landlord who could house them in the event you weren't doing so.So it's not really about whether you have a house and want to rent it. Your properties might be terrific and worthy of the private rent you are charging. You seem like a good enough guy, so I'll just go ahead and assume that's the case!Renters still need another public option available to them at cost so they are not forced to involuntarily rent from you or another private landlord. I trust that your particular property and your particular landlording skills are terrific enough to survive that because you seem like a solid guy, anon.
>>530072048What's indestructible? Can you own that?
>>530068425it's wrong because monetary value is not a physical property of matter, like mass and volume areit exists only in the imagination, and so the only law of physics it follows is "where imagination contradicts reality, reality overrules imagination"you don't get to tell people what values they must imagine, and every time you try you can only fail
>>530066008Labor is an expense. Nobody generates it, it's a consumable that represent time by exchanging it for currency (or other resources).Nobody "creates" jobs.>Profit is theftWithout profit there's no future for the business because it can't adapt to market fluctuations in demand, or changes in expenses.>Interest is theftNobody will lend anyone else any money if there's no interest, but usury is closer to theft and the only thing remotely true in this verbal diarrhea.
>>530071861>If I make a fluteMake all the flutes you want and play with with farts from your asshole for all I care. You made a flute with your labor and sold it. Land kikes do nothing and profit off others.
>>530072228Intangible things tend to be indestructible or at the very least tangible ones are all destructable. Let's narrow it down.To be indestructible:Can't be tangibleCan't be consumableCan't have obsolescenceWhat is that?
>>530071968Sure, okay. Yes, lower order governments who are not at the issuing level can run out of money and are reliant on revenue.Theoretically they don't need to be because the issuing government which they are subordinate to can always disperse reserves.
>>530071897The labor means all labor, in that case, the e-thot is a worker, that created $900 of value>>530071846Good question. China is following Marx theory not because they are communist today.Marx says that capitalism will reach a point of maximum potential, nowadays we could say its when AI automates all the labor possible. And then socialism will come because people will either revolt or starve.So China is accelerating this process by going turbo capitalism and when they reach this peak potential. They will go the way of socialism, but there wont be any violent revolution because they are already the revolution.China learned the mistakes from the Soviet Union, that tried to sidestep this process and going straight to communism
>>530072228imagination is indestructible, and no matter how many cult leaders have tried to claim ownership of it, they have always failed
>>530072222Public Options already exist and they're already shit because the people who live there don't take care of them and the state can't be bothered.Why don't you take a trip through some of the Projects in New York or LA?Why don't you go find some of the old military barracks in Germany that were converted to public housing for foreigners and worthless leftists?They're falling apart.
>>530071230they didnt create the earth they just live on it and stole the land on it they turned owning land that should belong the everyone into a commodity to be bought and sold
There’s a reasons most young conservatives live with their parents.
>>530072003>but the subhumans will all complain that they don't know how to build homes Who? Im sick of you fucking idiots. If someone isn't a corporate cock sucker then that means there a pro liberal faggot. This is the stupid logic they keep pushing.We the people build our own housing. We don't need any capitalist investments or state hand outs. No more landlord parasites. No more state nigger housing projects. We the people of Europe were born to build.
>>530072458Why?
>>530067644>Things have value only because it takes work to create them.Wrong. It's scarcity + market demand. If what you are offering has no scarcity, there's no incentive to exchange for it.
>>530072349Well id say some tiny basic building block like quark or gluon but we probably will be able to split those eventually. Plus their fields are tangible even if they're wonky.We need a new word! "intangible because quantum". It's probably something that makes about as much sense as wonky, quantum probabilities all have stupid names to make them less off-putting
>>530065729You mean like…welfare?
>>530072382Oh, so I should pay the E-Thot $900 for every one that I sell?And will she reimburse me for all the ones that collapsed in value after I produced them?
>>530065729>jews are thievesyeah no shit
>>530065729Fine. I'm stealing your money, and it's six days past due. You have until the 10th, and then I give you a real reason to bitch about class struggle.
>>530071246I somehow managed to escape the rental loop and I'm a 34 yr old retarded /pol/ user who has poor parents.
>>530065729This is YYYUUGEELY antisemitic, like bigly !
>>530068149>Make renting out homes illegal*force people to not rent out the homes they own> and let people own their homes.*force people to sell their homes to other people
lets all take a deep breathe and cool it with the antisemitism
>>530065729Some places are shitty to live permanently. I have a rentoid house across the street from a gas station I rent to hard of hearing geriatrics who are on their way to a retirement home. If you want a home go build one innawilderness from scratch like I am. Build an Earthship. Extroverts who wanna live in close quarters reap what they sow
>>530070891>the labor I did to build the factory is valuelessNo, he said that you made one thing and you should be paid for it one time, not forever. By "owning" the way to be more efficient, you are stealing from the laborers. Essentially, you get the entire profit from your higher-efficiency innovation that you create when you should instead get only part of it.
>>530072119>The service is paying property tax for the tenantsYou're another fucking clown missing the whole point of the thread. It's not capitalism vs communism. It's the state vs you. We the people should live in an economy that benefits us now some corporations and their state counterparts.
>>530071037Even if you take the bank out of it... you can still think of a loan between two people. I don't think you need to decide an appropriate price as such, it's just whatever the other guy will agree to. It's more of a vibes based transaction
>>530072422The public options don't really exist -- they are for designated classes of people. And yes, I agree many of them are dilapidated.In the old days, public housing was generously funded, it was racially segregated, and it was a strong success. Then private interests attacked it: desegregating it, flooding in drugs with lax enforcement, cutting funding, and came up with the solution of Section 8 -- where the government would pay a private landlord to build the properties, pay a private landlord to maintain the properties, and pay the private landlord market rate rent for every tenant (minus whatever portion the tenant was responsible for).
>>530072478>We the people build our own housing. We don't need any capitalist investments or state hand outs.I've seen your kind try to build. Didn't you faggots grow a garden in CHAZ a few years back? Chimpanzees do agriculture better than you.Go build your own homes, cardboard shanty-towns and what not. I'm not stopping you. Go for it.>We the people of Europe were born to build.Doubtful. You sort of sound like a nigger yourself.
>>530065729He's right.
>>530072513Looks like the word is just "entangled".Wait no it's not. Bro wtf. Entanglement doesn't refer to field probabilities, it refers to the theory that properties remain even after destruction??? Here this is from NASA "the idea that particles of the same origin, which were once connected, always stay connected. Even if they separate and move far apart in time and space, they continue to share something beyond a mere bond — they shed their original quantum states and take on a new, united quantum state which they maintain forever. This means if something happens to one particle, it affects all the others with which it’s entangled."
>>530072827So my apple is still an apple?
>>530072530>so I should pay the E-Thot $900 for every one that I sell?Yes, for her advertisement work.And if shes not a worker, but a external effect that made the demand explode. Then the guy who produces it should be paid $1000. The entire point is that you are the jew that did nothing and want to make money off it
>>530065729I worked to buy an investment property and now it makes me money.
>>530072757No, we can't take the bank out of it.You're inverting what I am saying. A real person loaning out money must by identity already possess the money which they are lending out. People do not have the ability to create deposits as loans. They must loan from existing reserves.Do not compare like to unlike.
>>530072931>i worked to buy these niggers and now they pick my cotton
>>530072222honestly our tenants are generally pretty dysfunctional. I can't imagine any of them being able to maintain a house if they were left with one. We did have a family of fantastic tenants for a few years, they had lost their own house through some misfortune. Eventually they saved up enough to get another place We definitely charge on the low end of the market but as a result the maintenance fund gets wiped out pretty regularly. We even got told off by the tenancy tribunal for not charging ENOUGH rent! they said not charging enough to cover all possible maintenance events was doing our tenants a disservice
>>530065729So, everything that’s above you is theft, eh?Your only option then is to sell shiny rocks you found on the roadside, since it’s literally the only non-exploitative thing a human could do to earn money. After all, using any tools or resources would involve utilizing things cause by the perceived exploitation you insist exists.You commies aren’t really good at thinking things through logically, are you?
>>530066622Everyone should be given a house, as a human right.
>>530072804>I've seen your kind try to buildNo you didn't. I'm literally a stone mason.>Go build your own homes, cardboard shanty-townsAs opposed to the current economy where Americans are in debt for 40+ years to own a home made of cardboard. >You sort of sound like a nigger yourself.Can I fuck your wife?
>>530072512Scarcity is the same as labor. If something is scarce then its because it takes a lot of work to produce,harvest,etc
>>530072864Looks like, if it were entangled. That's some bullshit bro. Quantum entanglement is 100% a dumb theory for something sofar inexplicable. Let's make a note to learn a bit more about the field. This is a libertarian thread not a qm thread. Philosophy will act as our guardrail, we can say that the apple isn't an apple anymore even if it somehow maintains its appleness when entangled. Plus it doesn't seem like anything except for a few isotopes get entangled anyways
>>530073095>Everyone should be given a house, as a human right.No you dumb beaner. Everyone should build their own home and have the rights to do so. That's our human rights.
>>530073108uh huh and your last name definitely doesnt start with rothschild
>>530065729this faggot and many people "rent" more unnecesary things that they realize and they like it yet they claim it is theft
>>530073201Phew ok yes shelve the qm.Indestructible things. Do they exist
>>530073103>No you didn't. I'm literally a stone mason.No, if you were, you wouldn't be a commie. You'd just go build your own home and not give a shit about the losers who whine and spew commie horseshit all day. Stone masons don't have time for whining about communism. You wish you were, and sometimes you read about masonry on wikipedia and pretend that you could do that too. It looks so easy.
>>530066402I need to be compensated for unpaid emotional labor of reading your post.
>>530073288How dare you ask the commits to cancel their Netflix account, how else will they see new documentaries to get enraged over?
>>530073324Can't be tangibleCan't be consumedCan't have obsolescenceCan't rely on the existance of a destructable object in order to exist
>>530065729Go live on the streets, I hear that's free.
>>530065729so basically that means everyone should build or buy their own house....
>Get infinite free loans for being Jewish>Use it to buy homes I'll never use>Fleece poors by charging rent at a higher cost than they'd pay if they outright bought they home and I didn't exist>Spend my free time arguing about how this is actually fair and I'm doing a service with retards on the internet
>>530073393and attention of online prostitutes
>>530065729Yeah! How dare they find a way out of the grind? Pull them back into the crab bucket!
>>530067033>taking advantage of situations is not part of the theory of valueSeems like a pretty big loophole in the [labor] theory of value, doesn't it?
>>530073431Well then I don't think there's anything that is indestructible. What an ostentatious concept lol. Ooh look at me I'm using a word thats literally impossible to be accurate. Should we add this to the tenets list???
>>530071701Hey, do you intend to address this? >>530071950How exactly does economical man's demand for currency increase because he doesn't trust it? Isn't the reality that he offers less goods for currency that he doesn't trust? So excessively issuing currency is actually bad and impoverishes holders of said currency?
>>530065729>i own this thing>i want to live in your thing>you may if you pay me this much>I pay you that much>you may live in my thing>i will live in your thingTHEFT!!!!!!!!!
>>530065729believing in the labor theory of value is actually retarded.
>>530073237Same shit, you still to be given a patch of land.
>>530073582"Nothing is indestructible" seems tautological but is it useful? Maybe we will add it. Write it down in the notes for now towards the bottom
>>530071364Thank you. Also paying for little things like property tax and home owners insurance. Also renters are not liable for any of the financial obligations of ownership, or risk such as a shit tenant destroying the place and destroying it's value.>>530071288It is absolutely a transactional service allow me to explain some of how. Are you going to pay and or fix anything if it breaks? Are you taking any financial risk for having purchased said domicile. Do you pay taxes on it? If I owned a second home (I don't) why am I expected to do all of these things for you for free after having to pay to own it? If you want "free housing" move back in with your parents. Even if you get government housing people who pay taxes are collectively paying for it for you. Why are your arguments always in complete absolutes? Rent gouging is objectively immoral yes, but that is not as common as you assholes make it out to be. I would argue that the market being flooded by the third world most of whom are almost fully subsidized by the government is what's fucking gen Z. Why would they rent to you when a government check is always going to clear, they pay above market value (driving up market value btw) and it's insured by Uncle Sam at everyone else's expense. That's theft. Rent is absolutely a service being provided. How fair what they charge for it is a whole other argument. Theft is when you forcibly remove someone's property including money. No one is forcing you to live there unless they forged your name on the contract and are holding you there against your will and making you pay them. I know this won't get through to you, but god damn you fucking commies are thicker than a bowl of oatmeal.
>>530073341>you wouldn't be a commieI'm not a commie you dumb cunt. The ironic thing is you're probably more aligned with them than me. >You'd just go build your own homeThat's my fucking point. We can't build our own homes. We can't even work for our own labour. The corporations and state are infringing on our freedom you cunt. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE GO 40+ INTO DEBT TO OWN A TIMER HOME.WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORK 40+ HOURS TO COMPETE WITH CHEAP FOREIGN LABOUR.
>>530073111It depends on what you consider a lot of work>excavate hillside with sandbag filler attachment, make sure to dig a French drain trench filled with gravel>stack bags along wall>place concrete bonding beam on top of said wall>Frame around the area, floor, roof, walls, windows, doors>install cheap flooring>saw down trees, treat them with oil>dig holes into Earth below frostline for said tree posts, throw in tires and gravel around posts in the center of the tires, bury tires >attach roofing to posts, framing and the concrete bonding beam>OSB, house wrap and siding along with windows and doors>insulate, shiplap wallsDone. Then just build some dew towers(or pay for a well and plumbing) and aeroponic towers alongside a fish pond, maybe some goats and chickens and you're fully self sustainable. Solar and wind too for comfyMAXXINGThe problem is extrocucks love the hustle and bustle. Maybe they should just buy their apartments so they're forced to stay there, segregated from us introGODS
>>530065729From a purely production focused capitalistic view Rent (and thus landlords) are an economic drain on productivity. Even Adam Smith thought so.
>>530073612>I own many things>I will take advantage at how humans need thing to live, turning a profit on it as they literally have no other choiceYeah.
>>530066008He drawsThat isnt labour, its a hobbyHe is hypocritical
>>530073680Done. Well if nothing is indestructible, and anything destructable can be owned, then I guess everything can be owned. /Thread?
>>530073748>It is absolutely a transactional service allow me to explain some of how.How about go fucking yourself?
>>530073940/Thread. Let's go find a Nazi one next they'll hate us. They love attention.
>>530073865There are too many humans and not enough Latinas giving me bunda to have enough sympathy to stop being a landloid incel seetheMAXXERHand them over, Jose
>>530074024Sounds like a plan, see you there.
>>530073239That faggots last name is Goldstein.
>>530073612>I see a thing I don't own>I get rubber stamped for an interest free loan to buy things I don't own because of the size of my hat and nose>I now own thing>Other guy needs thing to live>Give him the privilege of existing if he pays me more than what my free loan was, with terms that I can dictate and change at any time due to the size of my hat and nose
>>530073787>That's my fucking point. We can't build our own homes.Yeh, you can't. You don't know how to do anything anyone would ever want done. It's not just that you can't build a home, it's that you can't build anything. You can't repair anything. You can't design anything. You can't plan anything. You're a loser. You wasted all the time that decent, smart people use to learn to do things... you were a B- student even with "everyone graduates" and grade inflation. There is no place in this world for you. Just drop dead already.
>>530073914>He draws >That isnt labourYes it is.
>>530073792>Average construction time for a typical U.S. home is about 7 months, equating to roughly 5,114 man-hours of labor>Owner-built homes often take 12 months (8,766 hours) due to lack of specialized trades and slower progress. >The material cost to build an average American home in 2025 is approximately $50 per square foot, based on data from multiple sources including Houzeo and HomeAdvisor. For a typical 2,000-square-foot home, this translates to $100,000 in materials alone. >DoneAnon you Dunning Kruger can probably be seen from space
>>530065729Im really tired of taxes too.
>>530067649>we must kill everyone to protect landlords!!!what makes someone like this?
>>530065729>Adulthood is a mystery.
>>530073606You are assuming a static amount of goods being produced.I was granting your original point where you said someone doesn't trust the currency. I am saying if that is the case and they have something you need, you might have a problem and you may have to behave in a way more to their liking.But if you have lots of production under your own law (the territory from which you issue the money) then it is less of an issue.Issued money can also be used to increase or reduce the input burden on productive capacity.In the simplest terms inflation is too much money chasing too few goods. You can tax money out and decrease the money, or cut spending to slow down its issuance, or you can create more goods. You see this deflationary behavior in China, where supply of finished goods is overwhelming.
>>530067800the rich are the ones paying the taxes that support the rest of society
>>530074177Americans are so cringe. You could be the biggest anti communist person out there but, these American types like yourself will call you a communist for slightly criticising corporations because their whole mind frame is based on propaganda. Mostly from the cold war era. The liberal degenerates they argue with aren't even fucking communist to begin with. They're degenerate pawns like you. Polarised into a narrow field view of politics and economics.A cancer to the world. No wonder the Israelis rape you up the ass daily.
>>530067191Communism is brain theft, existential comics is proof. Light a candle for them next time you go to church and say a prayer that the artist turns based like Ishida. And land sakes anons, quit being such cheapfags and buy a house if you don't like renting. Your real problem though, is that most of you complaining just aren't all that valuable. If you can't see money being created in your job description then fix that first. In reality, most of you up til the 40s would be renting a single room with shared bath.
>>530073995How about buying your own? You still haven't explained how its not. All you've done is bitch and insult. Go cry to daddy government if you want everyone else to pay for it for you Mamdoni. I gave you an actual fucking answer of how and why and you you just want to be a smarmy bitch about it. Fine I'm not a landlord this doesn't effect me. Go get another face piercing, and the newest Itodler whatever and bitch into the void.
>>530065729Ok so wait forty years until you can buy a house with cash
>>530065729>larping as a communist in capitalist USA>believe that being opinionated is a form of laborMarx said "A man who does not work does not deserve to eat"...welfare is the Epitome of theft
>>530074261This is a good post and a good point. Are there things we could do, from a state industrial perspective, that would change this? That would speed this up?
>>530074261I just told you what to build I wasn't talking about slop homes in the 'burbs this is for introchads to build their own home.>thinking big projects take a long timeYou need FREMBO
>>530074761>buy a house if you don't like renting. >Your real problem though, is that most of you complaining just aren't all that valuableTell you what goon? How about i buy a chunk of land and build my own home without government or corporate involvement. Do you think the government and corporations would see me as not "valuable" for doing so?
>>530074710>You could be the biggest anti communist person out there but, these American types like yourself will call you a communist for slightly criticising corporationsI couldn't give a shit about corporations. That's not how the thread opened, and that's not how the thread's going. You're pissed that life is difficult and that you're bad at it and that you have little because of your lack of skill.>The liberal degenerates they argue with aren't even fucking communist to begin with.Perhaps. But the taxonomy of brainfucked leftoids is not anything that much interests me.>A cancer to the world. No wonder the Israelis rape you up the ass daily.That's rich coming from the flag that Israel wants to relocate all the palestinians to.
>>530074843You're not even reading my points.NOT ONCE HAVE I ADVOCATE FOR GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE. If anything it's the complete opposite but you clowns can't compared anything outside your current system. "If you're not a pro capitalist shill then you're a communist"
>>530066008Indeed there are few things as thoroughly btfo as the labor theory of value.
>>530074581you are being vague as fuck and presenting multiple different points instead of focusing on what I asked, it baffles me when people can't argue about economics in good faith, but it seems to be common theme for MMTers
>>5300729>>530072996Are you saying blacks have the same value as an inanimate object?
>>530075066>you have little because of your lack of skill. More tomfoolery. All the skills in the world won't stop a government infringement. That's my whole point in the thread. If you're profiteering from anything other than your own labour then you're part of the problem.Not one person has present a counter argument to this. Instead it's just "commie this" and "commie that".
>>530069862erm which is why they failed because real communism has never been tried
>>530075425Go ahead. Justify to me how profiteering outside your own labour is justified?
>>530075486No one is being vague. If the United States decided it did not want to accept Chinese yuan for something, would China care?Maybe a little. But if they can source whatever they buying from the US somewhere else and those places will accept it, then they don't have a problem. And because they produce so much, there are always surplus goods that can be purchased with that yuan.You just don't like how floating currencies work and you're angry about that. You want it to work differently and that's okay (it's not, but in the context of stopping talking to you, it is). So your real problem is just with the mechanics and your dislike of them.
>>530075556>All the skills in the world won't stop a government infringement. That's my whole point in the thread.Are the government agents running around stopping you every time you try something? Do they come bulldoze your stonemasoned buildings? Burn down your barns? Empty your wallet while cackling?The government's pretty shitty, and if you come to their attention you can be in a world of hurt. But it's not the government making you miserable, and if you weren't a dimwit you'd know it.
