Iran will unconditionally surrender in about 2 weeks. They're not actually going to say it, but it will be as if they did.
>>530069004>if I decide the war's over, they "unconditionally surrendered"When you give up a war, you surrender. What kind of faggot tries to pin that on the other guy?
>>530069004the fucking thing hasnt even properly started yet and the orange nigger is already looking for a way outthis is fucking pathetic
I winI said so
>>530069004his base of rubes will believe itor pretend to
>they've had enough, time to go
>>530069004You realize you've just provided one of the most kiked up sources in the entirety of the internet, right?Give me one other reasoning why I should take this with a grain of salt?
>>530069004Those goals posts are moving faaaaasssst
>>530069004Never heard of a siege where you win if you leave and don’t actually take a fortification, not in all of history I think.
>once we win, we will have woncool tautology kike bros
>>530069004My country never actually surrendered either but they sure act like if they did Modern Politics is 99% saving face
>>530069109>attacks>declares victory>leavesHonestly that's the best I can hope for now. The alternative is going in and slaughtering them all which would be a waste of time and money.If we wind up in a cycle of bombing them every four years to keep them living in the stone age I'd prefer that to an Iraq style invasion and occupation.
>>530069284I long to see the wild plains and the Uma's that will run over it. Maybe next life I'll be blessed and live in that world, oppose to the world of blood thirsty kikes.
>>530069284The point isn't taking fortifications, its about declawing the regime.
>>530069357Is the new "regime" any different from the old? Did something change apart from Americans taking some of your oil?
>>530069004I winYou surrender
>>530069523which guarantees this will happen again in the same way
I really hope the iranians win, because our country is ruled by a jewish oligarchy that wants to kill me because I am making this post.
>>530069667honestly we would save trillions if Iran just had a nuke
>>5300690042 weeks just flew over my house
>>530069004where have i heard about a 2 week special operation before...
>>530069460It can't happen. Iran won't let him. There's no way to run away and claim victory when the strait is blocked and Iran is still lobbing missiles at Israel and the Gulf states. He has no choice but to escalate.
>>530069460But Trump isn't declaring victory for the US. He's simply wishcasting, "Iran unconditionally surrenders." He's so greedy he can't handle a qualified success like "we hit basically all our objectives and probably fucked up their ability to strike Israel and other Gulf allies, mission accomplished." He MUST declare it "total victory, they went belly up and said, 'Sir, Sir!'" so when we're back at this in 6 years, his fans can claim it was fine when he left it.
can we count the bodies yethttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=93ByMEx50Zc
>>530069471You should kill yourself to speed up that process, you'll totally make anime real.
>>530069706Iran really, really wishes they never spent the time, effort, and reformist internal political capital to make the deal. If they'd kept pace they'd have nukes and probably perfectly secure right now.
>>530069004>orange manchild redefines "unconditional surrender" to mean whatever outcome presents itself before he retreatspic very much related
>>530069460>attacks>declares victory>leavesunfortunately this is just not on the table because israel will get bombed until it looks like gaza and iran will demand ransom to reopen the strait. the orange nigger really stepped in it
>>530069109A grifting faggot that made his money in industries like real estate development and reality TV, both of which live and die on reputation over substance.
>>530069865Nah suicide is quiting and quiting is for niggers, kikes, and women.
>>530069004Can they even surrender if they wanted to? Didn't we just blow up anybody capable of leading them and even if somebody survived wouldn't they just be immediately killed if they tried to surrender to us?The moment we leave they're just going to reform as an actual Jihadist state and start a real holy war.Are we really going to come back every few years to blow up everybody on repeat for zero gain?
>>530069908And somehow the incentives in America are to simply dispense every missile, dollar, and man to keep Israel "psychologically safe" in their luxury apartment bunkers. Either we back out immediately or we're The United States of Israel forever.
>>530069523stop huffing copium you retarded mutt. trump is declaring unconditional without a surrender of any kind... he's just backing out because someone whispered in his ear. he has no mind of his own anymore.
>>530069523Here you can see the Migger already moving the goalposts>We're going in for regime change, we should have a hand in who runs Iran>We never wanted regime change, we wanted to declaw the regime and prevent them from having a bomb>Ok we obliterated their nuclear program but we need to obliterate their nuclear program
>>530069460>>attacks>>declares victory>>leavesThis is the best that can possibly happen
>>530069004This would never happen until the ayatollahs are decimated and subdued. Otherwise they’ll keep hitting the US bases and Israel forever >Correct me if I’m wrong
what is zognald going to do once he declares iran's "unconditional surrender" and they just continue leveling suburbs in tel aviv?
>>530069781I was thinking about this last night. Like what would need to happen to actually secure the northern side of the strait so that anti-ship missiles can't be deployed like what the houthis have. There might need to be an occupation there, but maybe the arabs can handle it? Like maybe just give it to Oman or the Saudis and tell them to station men there (obviously I'm assuming US military aid will basically subsidize it, like with the Suez Canal).I just don't know the actual topography well enough to know how much land needs to be covered to make it work. And there are still ballistics to worry about by those can't be targeted very well to hit individual tankers, so maybe just put some THAAD systems there and retaliate when necessary?I don't know.>>530069802Well yeah that's Trump. He's a fat vain retard. But you'll notice he's not really making any important decisions anymore so what he says matters little compared to what the MIC and Israel want.
>>530069004What day of the special military operation are we on now?
THIS JUST IN THE SPECIAL 5-YEAR OPERATION IN UKRAINE WILL END WITH UKRAINE'S UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER IN JUST 2 WEEKS
>>530069460Why are mutts so subhuman? Aren't you supposed to be at least part White?
>>530070330Day 257 of Special Operation "Iran 3 Day War"
>banan is mine when I say sodoesn't work that way you orange radioactive gorilla
>>530070092>Didn't we just blow up anybody capable of leading themNo, that's cope. Israel fed us targets for the current Cabinet and the next two rounds in line, including anyone who WOULD have been willing to compromise. Their bureaucracy and political system are deep enough that they have deputy ministers, etc. filling in, just no one in any mood to bend the knee.>and even if somebody survived wouldn't they just be immediately killed if they tried to surrender to us?Even now, they might consider it intellectually, but the hardliners who largely survived aren't going to. No one's going to get killed for suggesting the war end, but no one has a better plan than continuing the war. At worst, they can sue for better terms than capitulation now. "We have you by the balls and can keep firing off drones from the hills you have no coverage in" is a strong position. "Please stop hitting us, we'll let you pretend this was always a 7-day war" is not.
>>530069004retard hereexplain to me trump's calculus where we have no proof of iran being a threat prior to trump/bibi martyring their nearly dead pope and some his family ?
>>530069004Trump will keep this war going to last American for these Jews. He doesn’t care about us.
>>530069004
>>530069004>>530069109
>>530070281>he's not really making any important decisions anymoreNigger, he had final say on this operation. This is him reversing with not just "whoops" or "given what the American people want, we've stricken a blow and reset conditions," it's "not only did we win but our enemies agree we won"
>>530070445He doesn't want to Donbasmaxx
>>530069908Although I know that's the Israeli concern I really don't think that's going to happen. They're barely getting bombed now: clearly Iran's capacity to bomb endlessly was massively overstated. The big problem now isn't a few rockets a year landing in Tel Aviv, it's getting shipping going through the strait again.If the Israelis don't want to be bombed they should stop antagonizing everyone. Coercing America into another Iraq-style quagmire is a great way to turn literally the entire American populace against Jews as an ethnic group. Iraq is partly why Trump got elected, Iran might be partly what Fuentes (or someone ideologically similar) gets elected.
>uhm akshually he won according to /pol/
>>530069004Remember when the US just did things instead of making word salad statements?
>>530070330we are almost two weeks away from ending this special two week operation
>>530069908Yeah it really does feel like industrial copium that this nigger thinks we can just decide when the war starts and ends unilaterally. Dumb cunt didn't realize Iran was a real country unlike Venezuela or Cuba, they aren't going to stop bombing Israel and the American bases bordering Iran even if we arbitrarily say we won like we always do. Also if cutting and running is the plan, we're just leaving these Iranian assholes even more aggro and to rebuild in the coming decades for someone else to deal with them? Thanks for kicking the hornets nest faggot, kill yourself and your shit family. Nothing Biden's pudding brain did compares to this level of fucking us over.
>>530070228Another war to permanently and completely destroy their nuclear program for a third time.
>>530069523Ok. But so far any attempts at killing their officials have just led to newer and more bloodthirsty officials popping up. It looks like Trump thought a revolution would just spring up, but thr U.S. and Israel bombing hundreds of school kids likely just made them the enemy in the eyes of all Iranians.
>>530069004Daddy make deal daddy win again.
>>530069109Bibi's bottom is realizing he stepped in it.
We're winning so much that we really don't know what to do about it.People are asking me, 'Please, please, please, Mister President, we're winning too much. We can't take it anymore.'
>>530070577Try to tell the ayatollah US isn't doing anything
>>530070537>Nigger, he had final say on this operation.He didn't, actually.>either you can go in with us, or we're going to go in and you'll get the blowback anyway, goy-IsraelAnd of course the MIC was in the room begging him to sign off on it so they could use some of the hardware that had been gathering dust in warehouses, so now they can get the contracts to fill those warehouses back up.
>>530070453Even an Iranian libtard that loves the US would realize by this point that America is incapable of honest negotiation, and the only end is bombarding American bases and locking down the Strait or Hornuz until their presence is gone. Which is achievable, since American ballistic missile defense can be saturated by their current industrial and ISR capacity.
>>530070548>If the Israelis don't want to be bombed they should stop antagonizing everyone.They absolutely, positively, no fucking joke, interpret that as anti-Semitic. Their reading of "positive defense" is the only one they'll permit in their society and have all of US Congress to underwrite it. You can't appeal to the shameless.
>>530070548>Coercing America into another Iraq-style quagmire is a great way to turn literally the entire American populace against Jews as an ethnic groupbut MAGA unironically loves Israel now because dear leader Trump loves Israel. You can't even make this shit up anymore. Suddenly MAGAs all over are arguing that being anti-zionist is anti-American kek
>>530070577honestly, no. it was so long ago... george sr's presiency maybe reagan...im surprised the US has lasted this long. its been in steady decline since the USSR dissolved and they've had to find new adversaries to fight and lose to... drugs... terror... islam... poverty... the US has been very successful in its unspoken war against americans however.
>>530070548>They're barely getting bombed nowyou are just totally and completely full of shit
>>530070747Iran is too large and its terrain too rough to occupy. Its why even the Bush neocons didn't seriously consider it.
>>530069004Can they keep a consistent line on this retarded war for one fucking second?>they'll rise up>they didn't rise up, this was only about nukes>the Jews made us do it>no way, the Jews followed me me me!>we sunk their navy, it's over>I want a say over their next leader>I want unconditional surrender>I'll determine unconditional surrender to be when the military is destroyed
>>530070667>we're just leaving these Iranian assholes even more aggro and to rebuild in the coming decades for someone else to deal with them?Personally I think it's fine to just declare the territory of Iran to be a "no weapons" zone and bomb them any time we think there's a weapon there. Forever.Personally I'm also okay with genociding the entire fucking region but I recognize not everyone is ready for that conversation yet. Perpetual bombing to keep them down is an uncomfortable compromise but one I'm willing to make.
>>530069231Trump is kiked up so why wouldn't the news source be kiked up?
Boomers are still deluding themselves that the Iranian populace overwhelmingly hates their leadership, supports the bombings, and are going to rise up and take over any minute now. It's absolutely insane.
>>530070728>Even an Iranian libtard that loves the US would realize by this point that America is incapable of honest negotiationOh no, they were among the first to realize that. They spent years convincing the "moderates" and hard-liners to sign the treaty and wind down the nuclear program. Trump came in like a retarded toddler, tore it up, said the deal was shit and Iran never entered in good faith, etc. Instantaneously ruined America's position for at least a generation. No Iranian's dumb enough to believe US negotiators are there to do anything but stall for a military operation. And, surprise, look what happened.>just keep spamming bases, what's there to losePrecisely. Hunkering down for some asymmetric war and continuously degrading the American technological and logistic advantage through the whole region is painful enough to hasten an end to the war, and on better terms than now.
>>530069357Your country never fired a shot at America.
>>530070489Bibi's got an election coming up and runs on being the best at defending Israel so he needs a war and missiles raining down on Israel.Trump wants the news talking about stuff other than the DOJ just admitting that they might've kinda maybe hidden the FBI interviews with someone that accused him of sexually assaulting her when she was 14.
>>530070862Israel and by extension America's goal isn't to control all over Iran. It's to disarm Iran's military power and put a puppet leader in place that can't and won't threaten Israel while it expands it's borders ala Greater Israel project
>>530070747Says who, JIDF bots online and rigged polls?Yes there are miggers but I don't believe anything I see online anymore. People are saying yeah it's cool because they see us winning today, but like with Iraq, as soon as it starts to drag, they'll want things to be over.
>>530069523the american regime, right? because we are going to lose all our bases
>>530069004iran’s currency is 0.0001 USD, they have nothing to lose!
>>530070747The MAGA base is starting to dwindle and you can't keep letting retards set policy and fuck up both our global standing AND the economy at large. The Gulf's already considering divesting from American projects.
>>530071073Polls are showing this is the most unpopular war any president ever started since there were polls in the first place.
Trump is attempting to get ahead of a US withdawal from Iran due to dwindling resources.I don't think Iran is going to stop bombing though.
>>530069231what is kiked about faytuks other than it hurt your feelings?
>>530070885because the only consistent line is the truth and no one wants to say, "we attacked iran at the behest of israel who was dangling the threat of exposing powerful billionaires as murderous pedophiles."
Iran was not on the offensive so technically the logic is sound
>>530069004Rebuilds. Nukes Israel in 2028.Trump: That is exactly what I wanted to happen
>>530071073>Says who, JIDF bots online and rigged polls?we've had 10 years of seeing migger slaves unconditionally support Dementia Donald while he makes America worse again. it's a bit ridiculous to be acting like THIS time will somehow be any different don't you think?
>>530071007>Trump wants the news talking about stuff other than the DOJ just admitting that they might've kinda maybe hidden the FBI interviews with someone that accused him of sexually assaulting her when she was 14.I hate we're going to get US-flag-draped coffins so one guy doesn't have to answer child rape allegations.
>>530070691Ayatollah, why isn't the US doing anything?
AMERICA WONThe Exiled Crown Prince of Persia Reza Pahlavi has ACCEPTED the role as Iran's transitional LEADER. All dealings about Iran and it's future must now have the participation of the interim president Prince Reza.Thank you for your attention to this matter and MIGA.
>>530069004Narcissists make up their own facts and may reality be damned.Sounds like Israel is getting pounded right now, which is great. It's going to look like Gaza pretty soon.
>>530069004wait is trump gonna taco on israel too lmfao
>>530069109Kek. /Thread. It would really be 4D chess if Trump just call it a day and leave Israel to deal with the rest
>>530070281>Like what would need to happenA ground invasion by American forces. That is the only way this is going to end.
>>530071005>surprise, look what happened.I think they were surprised by Pear Harbor tier perfidy of attacking during the nominal negotiation period and assassinating their head of state. They expected Bush Jr, not psychotic but also incompetent pirates.
>>530070935>Personally I think it's fine to just declare the territory of Iran to be a "no weapons" zone and bomb them any time we think there's a weapon there. Forever.we can't do this. the US may have been the hegemon 20+ years ago with a big dick swinging military, but that was 20+ years ago. it's a different world and we are clearly, obviously an empire in decline
>>530069142Israel planned for a TACO
>>530071073I work with a bunch of normie MAGA types, they're on board with it. They're also allergic to critical thinking, and if the podcast man in their magic rectangle says war with Iran = good, it must be good since red team likes it and blue team doesn't.
WE WON
>>530071134fun fact 14/15 (2 under Trump) economic depressions happened under Recuckblicans. if MAGA or rightoids in general actually gave a shit about retards setting bad policy and sinking the country we would all never have a Recuckblican president ever again
>>530070747MAGA is dead.Trump purity tested his way to almost no support from half of republicans and next to no independents. The tests that people had to affirm became increasingly absurd and now only sycophants are left.
>>530069523>The point isn't taking fortifications, its about declawing the regime.by killing religious leaders? if that wins wars I'm thinking iran should target synagogues in tel aviv instead of amerizog bases in arab nations.
>>530071414And we screwed Europe and Asia for this nation of ratfuck spies like Pollard that hasn't actually helped the US since the fall of the Soviet Union.
>>530069004What objectives is Trump trying to achieve? Nobody knows.
>>530071409That's true. They likely expected the US to suddenly grow cool on negotiations, ring up Israel, have some kind of visible wind-up and pitch. Just kicking over the board and doing whatever Mossad had on the wishlist was grug-tier. Not even sure Russia violates "rule-based order" so brazenly.
>>530069284>not in all of history I think.Didn't you hear of Fukuyama? Globohomo is so exceptional, they already beat history
>>530071510>now only sycophants are left.what the fuck are you even talking about? all MAGA has ever been is a bunch of fucking syncophants rallying around dear leader Trump LMAO. there's a reason why for 10 years MAGA has been infamously known as a cult by literally everybody else
>>530069004>”Iran will surrender when Israel says it’s been enough “ - Trumpstein Basically.
>>530071694So more than half the nation was in a cult in 2024?Good to know, fucking retard. No, what's left of Trump's coalition that won him the presidency is a hollow shell of its former self and only Donald can be blamed.
>>530071163Polls say anything, I don't trust any of them.>>530071220Facebook boomers are hylics, and while their votes are still counted they will die off soon, and the youth are very much aware of the jew problem.>>530071454That's what I'm talking about. In six months they'll be against it. They're hylics, they're NPCs, they don't actually think.>>530071414We actually can do this, we have the capacity to do so, it's just a matter of will and cutting down insane levels of fraud in the federal government and especially the department of war. Shit, we've been funding Israel this whole time, we could literally just take that money and spend it ourselves on bombing Iran forever.
>>530069460>The alternative is going in and slaughtering them allBuddy this isn’t something you have the ability to do
>>530071652Rule-based order was always fake and gay broCan't have it if there are actors that ignore it (terrorists, Iran, Venezuela, MEXICO, etc)
>>530069523>bargaining
You guys are idiots. Iran is fucked. Israel has had spies in that country for decades. They know were everyone and everything is and why all Iran’s leadership is dead. All the bombing is taking all their shit out. Just like bigger version of what they did to Palestine. Take everything out to where have no power, no water, no food
>>530071883It could be done in under two years, simply by sabotaging their water infrastructure, carpet bombing their population centers, and then gassing their mountain ranges with old stockpiles. The French could even do this.But like I said, not everybody's ready for that conversation yet.
>>530071799>So more than half the nation was in a cult in 2024?Yeah. It's not hard to imagine a ton of desperate, overly emotional people getting whipped up by a charismatic demagoguge. Despite having plenty of evidence of Trump being a failure the first time. There's plenty of historical evidence for this sort of thing happening. Italy and Germany for example. And now we have the internet where cults of personality can spread instantly across the globe as fast as you can hit the Submit button
>>530071853>it's just a matter of will and cutting down insane levels of fraud in the federal governmentI'm sorry, but we do not have the capacity to do this. you're now 50 years behind still thinking this is a unified country and not an economic zone
>>530069004He's using the same strategy I use when winning arguments on /pol/.>I accept your concession
>>530071799>So more than half the nation was in a cult in 2024?Yes.
>>530069004>Operation Epic Furydamn I'm cringing
>>530069189Trump won't consider whoever claims to be running Iran legitimate and will kill them and call it a mopping up operation. Trump and others are already reassuring lower level functionaries they won't lose their jobs.
>>530071995>they know were everyone and everything isIf that were true, Iran wouldn't have thousands of spare missiles left>why all Iran’s leadership is dead>ALLThey have a line of succession. America killing 2-3 tiers didn't really do much.>ALL THE BOMBING IS TAKING ALL THEIR SHIT>NO POWER NO WATER NO FOODYou really like absolutes, don't you?
You mean Trump will say they did, Iran will say they didn't and Trumps retarded base will lap it up like every shit sandwich he feeds them
>>530071853Free healthcare for israel but "lift yourself from your bootstraps a little inflation didnt hurt everyone" for americans. This is what the white man will die in the middle east for.
>>530069004Iran can't surrender because donald took out their entire chain of command.It's become a decentralized quagmire of regional warlords.Welcome back to Afghanistan.
>>530069004Mission Flipping Accomplished!
>>530069460Ahahahahaha what a bunch of cope.
>>530071799More like 1/4 and the rest were low information voters that made their decisions on a few clips of him they saw on social media.
>>530071694>muh dear leaderLurk moar.
>>530071853>it's just a matter of willThats what Himmler thought too, and was proven brutally wrong by Eurasian Marxists with tanks.DOGE somehow increased the deficit. And American performance worse than last year's Iran War demonstrates that no corruption in the DoD was actually dealt with. Trump is no Xi Jinping.
>>530072239>Free healthcare for Israel, but "lift yourself from your bootstraps, a little inflation didn't hurt anyone" for Americans. This is what the white man will die in the Middle East for.They'll have to open up every last coffer to convince the average American that line of thinking is "anti-Semitic."
>>530072330He'll keep on killing whoever emerges not to his liking. If warlords emerge, he'll kill them.
>>530072523Yeah but that's not the point.Iran can't win. But america can lose a lot of money.
>>530071853>Facebook boomers are hylics, and while their votes are still counted they will die off soon, and the youth are very much aware of the jew problem.miggers no matter whether they're young or old are the same on this anon
>>530072396Whats whats is DOGE was spearheaded by a guy who isnt even American
>>530072396You misspelled uniparty doofus. The uniparty won't pass an election integrity bill even though the democrat base supports it.
>>530072523And since every bomb dropped on a house, elementary school or hospital will make more people decide they want to fight and die to spite America those will just keep popping up forever.A 'forever war', if you will.
>>530069004kek
>>530071956You really have no idea why these Westphalian and post-WW2 customary laws of war were established? You aren't beating the "MAGA are idiotic sadistic that can dish it out but not take it.">>530071799Yes. And Trump promised lower prices, more jobs, and no new wars. However, he delivered on none of those.
>>530072729>muh unipartyWhich is why you vote straight ticket Republican of course, to bring down this "uniparty".
>>530072396>DOGE somehow increased the deficit.DOGE's true purpose was to enrich Elon by taking out his competitors and removing red tape
>>530071368This.Enough with the copes, the strait is closed due to the drone threat, since there’s no weapon system capable of effectively dealing with the drones, you’d have to fully eliminate IRGC to end the threat, even if they just hit 1 in 40 ships trying to cross, no ship will take the risk.You’re in a position where you have to bomb Iran into submission ( not gonna happen) , or attempt a ground invasion( you are yet to mobilize), or just capitulate to whatever Iran is going to demand.
>>530069004Trump is a slow motion train wreck. The GOP can see all the oncoming damage they're doing, but they don't have the balls to avoid it. All they can do is try to pretend everything is cool.
>>530069004How can a country unconditionally surrender to a combat operation.Trump must be mistaken
>>530072523That worked great in the last wars we had, good idea
>>530069004Lol. Words don't mean shit to the orange nigger, apparently words mean whatever he wants whenever he wants, what a fucking mess.
>>530072816>You really have no idea why these Westphalian and post-WW2 customary laws of war were established?So leftists could steal from whites and give it to the third world.
>>530069004if we can take this into sane land; it will never be over. as much as i or anyone else wants it to be
This has to be the most retarded administration in US history. I've never seen an admin that was so wishy-washy, and unable to deliver on ANY of its promises, or see any of it's objectives through despite holding every chamber of government plus the courts.
>>530069523>declaw enemy regime>make them use up their current stockpile bombing the shit out of you then leave
You can't call it an "unconditional surrender" when the other side is not going to surrender...
>>530069523>the golem thinks it was his decisioncute.
>>530073228>MISSION ACCOMPLISHED>AMERICA>FUCK YEAH
>>530069004Oh, so this is how Trump will retreat while claiming victory. kek
>>530069109Just let him do it.Let him declare victory and leave.This thing could last a decade otherwise.The US sank most of their navy and destroyed much of their air defense systems and missile launchers. Was it worth it? No idea. But if he wants to declare victory and move on it's probably for the best at this point. Next step after bombing is ground invasion. Because the TikTot persian thots overthrowing their government is probably not gonna happen.
>>530073228Members of the IRGC are defecting to not get kebab'd.
>>530069109
>>530069908>israel will get bombed until it looks like gazawhere is the downside
>>530071995Yeah sure, and it took israel 2 years to bomb 20 mile stretch of land into submission, how long you gonna bomb Iran for? How much does that cost? How long can the GCC and EU survive with the strait closed? What happens when they pull their trillions of dollars out of your economy? What’s the point in all of fhis?
>>530069004Okay, I know I said burgers will do their usual "just change the definition of victory until it match what actually happened", but I never thought they would go far enough to redefine "fleeing" as "the enemy surrendered to our back".
>>530069523>its about declawing the regime.Claws grow back...
>>530069004The gaslighting is insane
>>530073498cohn was mccarthy's senate aid>let that sink in
>>530073169Yes, you've been brain damaged from exposure to talk radio and podcast hosts.They were to reduce the soldier snd civilian suffering and economic damage, and by erecting a firewall around leadership to allow for diplomatic off ramps from crisises. If you think the guys that fought the 30 Years War were cucks, you're an idiot. There was a regime that thought the way you do: the Imperial Japanese Navy. Didn't work out that well for them.
>>530069460Unconditional surrender is by allowing the USA military into the nation to conduct as and what it sees as any option to stability and liberation. Weapons surrendered sometimes personnel. All areas open to operations and deployment.Did you wake up a retard or were you actually born retarded?On Surrendering unconditionally it makes any job far easier. It's unrestricted by a government deeming it necessary and illegalising any resistance to it.You'd be based and deployed alongside any others. Not you. You didn't understand it because you're retarded.They either do or they don't. It makes sense it is being offered.
>>530072971>Venezuela is gearing up, Russia will be removed from the sanction regime.>Any leadership not to Trump's liking will be taken out.>Iran's food supply can be interdicted with low cost drones.The mid tier leadership and their wives will want a return to normalcy and will start assassinating leadership who wants to hide out in a bunker.
>>530073517Arabs are inbred retards. Persians aren't. That's the difference.
>>530073494That's cool but until Iranians form a new government and surrender, it's not a surrender let alone an unconditional surrender.I've never heard such an absurd statement from a sitting leader... it's like saying Japan already surrendered before invading or dropping the two atomic bombs, it's simply false and is basically like giving up right before you utterly win.
>>530073517Mind you, this is after the EU and Asian allies basically went along with everything the US wanted, only for Trump to kick them in the face and tell them they were gay and retarded for doing so. With the backdrop of Iran demonstrating how American bases and ISR assets are liabilities.
>>530073498The trouble with "always declar[ing] victory" is that people soon see you as a fragile little faggot. Incidentally, Roy Cohn died absolutely flavorblasted with AIDS.
>>530073503trump is a jew and he will not let this happen without fighting to the last goy
>>530073637What? None of that has anything to do with what I said.
>>530073772If you hit someone so hard that they can't stand up straight, even if they want to, it's over.
>>530069004this shit doesn't make sense
>>530070406Were essentially nazi germany where hitler won and lets the airforce test new bombs and rockets on Russian peasants living past the urals. In other words: we’re doing good guy shit and are very moral and just
>>530069004if you were the leader of a nation would you? you'd want to look tough. they will try to resolve things in a way that doesn't make them look too bad
I know he's a moron and she's absolutely shameless, but this can't be real.
>>530073883These customs exist because a defect-defect equilibrium in war is bad for everyone involved. It's not some ploy by libtards.
>>530073477>But if he wants to declare victory and move on it's probably for the best at this point.The problem is it's not his to simply declare. If Iran can keep choking out the Strait, basically none of this matters. Just starting the war "for Israel's safety" managed to fuck up global trade, alienate partners as we pulled missiles, exposed weaknesses in the air defense grid we use to sell trade deals and base placements to allies, the list goes on.And, more to the point: all Iran needs to do is keep fighting after the "declaration" and make him look like a frail, stupid, incompetent old man. That's the one goddamn thing he can't handle.That's not even getting into the weeds about "how long can Iron Dome be sustained if Iran even touches the stockpile they're now confirmed to still have?" Imagine declaring total victory only for your sole reason for the conflict getting its shit rocked like it's 1980 again?
>>530074017More like Imperial Japan desu.
>>530073863SAYS THE TROTSKYITE NEOCON WHO IS WILLING TO FIGHT TO THE LAST UKRAINIAN.
>>530069004E P I C F U R YPICFURY
>>530073812This. "Not only does the air defense not fucking work with drones that can swamp them, Iran can target you in addition to the bases you agreed to. On the pretext you agreed to a base." Completely inverts the "easy math" of signing up for American hegemony.
>>530069535They didn't "take" the oil, they already had it.The main change is switching banking for PDVSA oil from the Emirates to the US.So basically the main change is that some grifters in the US instead of some grifters in Dubai now get dibs on skimming interest off Venezuelan oil transactions.
>>530074133It's also bad for nonproliferation, since American foreign policy in the 21st century has essentially vindicated the North Koreans. And if every petty retard has the bomb, we're going to see nuclear weapons fired in anger this century.
>>530069004q predicted thistrust the plan2 more weeks™
>>530069284There is historical precedent. Pic related
>>530073772What the fuck are you typing? It's autistic.Iran has an acting government. It surrenders unconditionally, military, weapons, and provides full access to any USA operations. They will estate a government until elections or a new head of state and government is formed.The USA is deployed in Iran through welcome by surrender. Any resistance not surrendering is neutralised. They are illegal. The nation through its head of current state surrendered allowing complete access.Why are there so many retards today? It's not hard to understand. You make it complicated saying shit.They either do or don't. At this point there's no indication. It provides them an out. Either they take or war continues until it occurs anyway.
>>530074300>>530074300Yyyep. If you're punished for complying under anti-nuclear treaties, the only incentive is to develop nukes as fast as humanly possible and use MAD to keep America off your dick.
>>530073674> russiaThat bridge is burned.> cut their food supply They will retaliate by hitting distillation plants in GCC and Israel, which are easy static targets that so far they haven’t touched, it would be catastrophic as they will take months to repair.
>>530073858>is that people soon see you as a fragile little faggotTrump's approval rating is still above 40% according to many polls.So no, not all people see that.
>>530074221It's not even drones afaict. Just conventional MRBMs that have been around for 50 years.
>>530069004this is literal 12 year old logic>you lost because i said so! i win! haha! you surrendered because i said so!
>>530074512I've heard both, but shit, that's so much worse.
>>530069004>>530074063kind of pathetic on the world stage to lose to a SMO in less than a week. What's troublesome is we killed the ayatollah and his next 10 successors so there wouldn't be any leadership in iran that can declare a surrender. It's now just a matter of bombing the remaining ordinance they have. My guess is by Monday the strait will open again and iran's lethal capacity will be 0 or close to 0. Hell the jeets in pakistan could take iran by then lmfao.
>>530069004>I ACCEPT YOUR UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER LOL LMAO
>>530074469Libya already shook that. But these Iran Wars, alongside this Orange Yeltsin withdrawing from nonproliferation treaties put the nail on the coffin.The Blob was not as retarded as the id of the Republican base made manifest.
>>530074497Has he ever just up and declared he won a war he started and hasn't actually definitively ended? Are you really sure anyone's that eager to pat him on the back for declaring "Checkers game is over!"? There's a limit to glassy-eyed psychophant shit, even for MAGA.
>>530069523All we've learned is that kikes are a threat to everyone, defense systems are useless, Americans will not defend their clients, and every developed nation is unable to put boots on the ground without fear of a local uprising
>>530069523Goalposts moved so hard they went up your fat yiddish ass>>530069284Umazing
>>530073998If you walk out of the ring before the referee declares you the winner by knockout, you lose.
>>530074461>Hey, which one of you people that already surrended shot my friend?>Who planted that IED in that village that surrendered.Good thing is that nobody will fucking surrender, nor does the US currently have the leaders or political support needed to do anything.
>>530074461You can't even speak English, "Nigel."
>>530074101RBO is also called LIO. What do you think the acronym stands for?
>>530069871this
>>530074461>You make it complicated saying shit."Iran can, has, and will say no to surrender" is not complicated. Trump claiming "I say surrender so it's surrender" is not complicated, just retarded.
>>530074580I mean, they're more modern, reliable, and accurate than Scuds, but basically the same kind of capabilities. Drones have figured in, but afaik a lot of the saturation attacks that are cracking Gulf BMD and hitting petroleum infrastructure are ballistic missiles not drones.
>>530069109This is how he's always operated. Do something stupid, firehose conflicting statements about motivations and objectives, then backwards engineer the official story based on the result, so no matter what he can say he did what he wanted to do and won.
>>530069004They are going to make demands when he TACO's lmfao
>>530074798The ref is our allies who decide what the recognized government looks like.
>>530073517Israel will keep attacking even after the US lets up. They have no problem playing the long game. They want Iran gone
>>530074707>There's a limit to glassy-eyed psychophant shit, even for MAGA.I'm going to remind your ass: MAGA's position for the last 10 years was that the dems and the elites were pedophile satanists, and releasing the Epstein files was totally going to bring them justice for eating babies in their moloch worshipping ceremonies.Now Trump is blatantly covering the Epstein files and his approval rating is still staying above 40%.
>>530069004>"we're going to cuck out and say we won"ftfy.
>>530069004More or less this will happen
>>530074461Or they can continue to bombard American bases and gradually ramp up strikes on Gulf State infrastructure until they kick the Americans out.
>>530075337You’re a hairy ass goat fucking muzzie
>>530069004Iran will be considered to have surrendered unconditionally when Trump officially declairs "you lost tranny".
>>530075454Cope. American war plans were terrible since they should have known that munitions expenditures would be massive from the Ukraine War and last year's war with Iran. Our capabilities to dominate the lower rungs of the escalation ladder were completely overestimated by the DUI hire SecWar.
>>530069664yep, and they'll have nukes by then
>>530075084Red polling isn't a reflection of whether you like a red candidate, but if you personally want to get read as a faggot. People will claim to still be on the MAGA train simply to avoid being the first to take the sign down. I'm telling you there's rot, especially the closer he comes to getting us stuck in "Iraq, all over again."t. state-level GOP politics in Illinois
>>530070453What would be the point in surrendering?Israel and crew will and have just killed diplomats and heads of state multiple times.There isn't a point in making treaties with people who don't honor them
>>530075845No, exactly. There's no incentive to off-ramp. I was responding to the post's implication the regime needs to kill anyone suggesting surrender. No one's bothering because it'd be retarded on its face. America was doing Israel's grocery shopping in-country in the middle of what should be negotiations. No one trusts anything but making the US suffer.
>>530075337Iran has no reliable neighbors through which massive supplies can be shipped. Iran will be embargoed, than its local food/water supply will be interdicted and at that point its ability to prosecute a continuing war will be eliminated. Attacking neighbors (especially desalination plants) puts interdiction of Iranian food and water supplied on the table. This will be a revisiting of the strategy to handle an Imperial Japan that won't surrender with those advocating a blockade and starvation strategy winning the argument over those who wanted Downfall and Olympic.
>>530075845And booting Americans out of the ME (and invalidating the lilypad strategy) and neutralizing or at least diplomatically isolating Israel from the Gulf States seems eminently achievable.
>>530069004>does a 360>walk away
>>530076015>Iran will be embargoedWill be?
>>530074430Thanks for the ultra HD screensaver sized image, appreciate you nigga.
>>530070092>Didn't we just blow up anybody capable of leading themFar, very very far from that.The structure that can spam replacements for everyone who gets killed is still intact.And by now, the replacements may be less experienced, but they're also less retarded due to not being Boomers or even Builders.
>>530069004>declares victory unilaterally>All shabbos got countries agree because they're financially dependent on the US>trump can grandstand about winning>middle east left in perpetual turmoil again>europe floods with more migrants>??? >profitI hate this globohomo world the ImUS created
>>530069004official gay funny surrender, for sure,the resistance will never stop though,ask me how i know
>>530076257>Iran doesn't care what Trump says>Strait stays closed
>>530075826Yeah, well it's still too early (and Trump too erratic) to tell if it will be Iraq 2.0. It might look better, it might look worse, I'm of the opinion that It won't look too bad in the near and medium term due to the serious gap of military capability between Iran and all the countries they're fighting, but bad long term since a country of 90 million got more destabilized.One thing I don't have confidence in is the GOP voterbase being capable of self reflection in the next 3 years, or even the next 30.
>>530070935Iranians have an IQ comparable with the top European countries. It’s probably higher with Persians considering there’s Arabs, Kurds, and a few other ethnic groups on their borders bringing the number down.The stuff they’ve managed to do under sanctions is insane. They’ve basically had to build this technology from the ground up while we have specialization among countries.
>>530069004If I were iranian leadership, even if the US tries to leave I would keep the strait closed and demand sanctions relief in order to open it back up again
>>530076352To be fair, I can see an argument to seize some of the territory in Iran near the strait, but you know Republicans would never stop there. They already had crusader larpers administering things in the Iraq invasion, with predictably bad results (de-Baathification was the genius idea of a Crusader larper, and fucked everything about the occupation up).
>>530070986Never understood how conservatives that want Christianity in schools and things to return to the 50s hate a society that is exactly that. I get not wanting Muslim immigration cuz I don’t either, but imagine supporting destabilizing countries that will bring them at the same time.It’s all so 2+2=5 with these judaized goyim
>>530076352>One thing I don't have confidence in is the GOP voterbase being capable of self-reflection in the next 3 years, or even the next 30.Oh, no, change won't come from some period of self-reflection, but a post-Trump, less-Trump candidate they glom onto as a less-retarded role model. Signalling to themselves and one another that this is the "good and right" sense of Republican is about as important as going to church. Seen it a dozen times.>unclear what's aheadYeah, fair. But the longer this Administration tries to claim it's all well in hand and over in 4 weeks, 8 weeks, the more people are reminded of similar assurances by Rumsfeld, etc. If he doesn't pull out now and honestly, it's worse for everyone involved.
>>530074140cool projection, retard
>>530069535bro venezuela is essentially our ally now lol
You cant fire me…I quit
>>530076663>less-retarded role modelImpossible as long as the Evangelical zionist doomsday cult remains a force in the GOP foreign policy consensus and within the DoD.
>>530076638>Never understood how conservatives that want Christianity in schools and things to return to the 50s hate a society that is exactly that.Because they want that PLUS jew worship. Or rather, jew worship PLUS that because the former is the crux of American Christianity.
>>530069004TWOMOREWEEKS
>>530076338Anwar and California coast are opened up for exploitation under the President's emergency powers.
>>530069004Stop trying to escape from the Battle mutts!!
>>530076056It's more likely that the opposite of that will happen.
>>530070453>Their bureaucracy and political system are deep enough that they have deputy ministers, etc. filling inThe Achilles heel is the decision on whether a potential successor is enough of a hardcore fundie to be ideologically acceptable.This decision is extremely centralized.It is also extremely hard to pinpoint, because it may be just a handful of guys, but they still avoid modern tech as much as possible. And it's kinda hard to track a guy by hacking his smartphone, if the guy considers smartphones the work of Iblis, and prefers to communicate by messenger like in the good old days of caliph Ali.
>>530074591>My guess is by Monday the strait will open again and iran's lethal capacity will be 0 or close to 0and when this does not materialize will your new end date become two more weeks from then to finish this very special two week operation?
>>530077027Patriot batteries are already reduced to 20 year old missiles and radomes are being systematically leveled.
>>530071276The guy is so retardedly incompetent he reminds me of aladeens body double. It’s actually hilarious how incompetent he is, I’m sure they wouldn’t let him rule without a Mossad handler.Still can’t believe all the tik tok thots who are willing to sell out their country to Israel and kiss their oil bye bye forever just so they can drink and swipe on tinder but I guess that shouldn’t surprise me that’s just how women are makes me wonder tho we’re they sabotaging their own side in medieval Europe?
>>530072091MMMkay, You know they've already fought a war that had chemical weapons used against them before- they didn't even feel the need to use their own.
>>530072971>>530073674Like a third of the country is literally required by Islamic law to avenge America and Israel in order to go to heaven and will fight relentlessly forever, possibly even becoming insurgents against whatever next regime were installed
>>530077365And gained territory too.
>>530073228seems like the conditions for their surrender haven't been met. I wonder what you could call that... hmm
>>530076632Baathism is just pan-Arabism plus Socialism, both of which sprung up decades before US involvement. When the Soviet Union fell, the Socialists became ethnonationalists.
>>530076706What are you debating? The left supported the Ukraine war. Those behind Maidan and the instigation of the war were neocons. The war is anti-Bismarckian because it took out the largest land army before it was integrated and credible. Its only apparent purpose was to get people killed for whom the left has no regard.
>>530069109/thread
>>530077520The Ukraine War was a blunder (which Trump helped instigate with lethal aid that Obama would not provide btw), but it pales in comparison to using the USN like an international pirate fleet.
>>530077520>The leftis the left here in this thread? not worshiping jews because they're genital mutilating subhuman kike rats isn't a leftist position
>>530069357>My country never actually surrendered either but they sure act like they didShut the fuck up bitch. You Venecos fucking open the butthole like a super massive black hole and now you are larping as persian warriors who don't give up. You aren't woth wasting a single bullet, pussy niggers lol
>>530076638Islam and Christianity have nothing in common.
>>530073498we dont need to debate these people
>>530077696The only role Trump had in the Ukraine war was being out of the picture because the deep state instituted the covid pandemic using a virus engineered in a US subsidized Chinese lab to steal the 2020 election.
>>530078097I see you memoryholed 2017-2021.
>>530077710Yes "fellow white man.''
>>530077201The Islamic Republic united all of the Arab countries against them and their allies have left them out to dry as Europe moves in.
>>530069004No they won't. Iranian Shia masses would kill traitors that do that. They would not even tolerate negotiation
>>530077211Nobody wants to live under Islamic law.
>>530078266kys retard
>>530069284To be autistic about it, actually that was fairly a common strategy for relieving sieges.>Army A is laying siege to a castle whateverstein>Army B can't reasonably dislodge the siege with their force but can go to an enemy town whateverberg with the implied threat of sacking it>Army A now has to either let the city get fucked, split the army to give chase or give up the siege alltogether
>>530069004America dropped two nukes in a final fit of rage, and then dragged their sorry defeated asses to Tokyo to surrender on the deck of a Battleship. The Emperor is pleased.
>>530069004LOLIf that's true that's basically "we'll decide when they're considered in a state of having surrendered so we can save face and call it over and a success!"
>>530077710>is the left here in this thread?Yes.
>>530077986Objectively untrue.It’s just Arabs are low iq savages.Persians are whiter than Italians and have an iq to prove it.The iq of Iran is tested at 97-100 which is on par with most European countries, and the Persians are likely even higher cuz they have shitskins in the border regions pulling them down.Islam has different origin stories and ways of worship, but more or less the morals are the same if you read the Bible. Christians have made concessions to secularists over the years and that’s really the only difference in the rules you follow in your day to day life that have nothing to do with origin or worship
>>530078173You're an obscurantist. Trump in his first term DID NOT ADVOCATE NATO EXPANSION, ESPECIALLY IN REGARD TO UKRAINE, but Biden in his typical mealy mouthed cowardly fashion did support NATO expansion wrt Ukraine.
CIA and Mossad was successful because Assad Saddam and Ghaddafi were too secular so they used radical Muslims against them. The only way to do regime change in Iran is to convince majority of population that their leaders are too secular. Yet the entire strategy of Trump admin to Iranian people is that Iran is not feminist enough ROFL! That surly worked well in Afghanistan..
>>530078479Thanks for admitting its a thing.
>>530078468It’s the same law every functioning society has to be under or you get hypergamy and everyone being isolated and depressed with no sense of community.Christianity had the same kind of restrictions until 60 years ago, and you’ve seen the result.Do you want a functioning country with a legacy that’s gonna last or do you want women to be able to fuck Chad in their 20s and marry you at 38 with maybe 2 eggs left so you can have a son with developmental disabilities?The womanpill is always the one thing that I have to explain to even the biggest right wingers, and they always act like a liberal but every great philosopher until 60 yrs ago understood this
>>530079096after this colossal failure we're gonna hunt down all you rat faced kikes and slaughter the lot of you
>>530069004GET READY FOR A SURPRISE!
>>530078776The two are fundamentally different. There is no freewill in Islam; even your sins are predestined. You are encouraged to conceal your sins and the sins of others so that you get extra rewards in paradise. Everything is based on rewards, which operate as a scale and the rewards are typically sinful, like rivers of wine and endless adultery.
The bases they're losing are actually priceless, because rare earth restrictions from China basically make their radars irreplaceable. Trump could have had a hot war with Iran OR a trade war with China. Not both. But he's an Elagabalus-tier retard, so he went for both.
>>530069004>objectivesWhat objectives?
>>530069004>>530069109This is what we should have done in Afghanistan around June 2001. I don't know if they actually planned it this way, but it's the big brained move regardless. Why the fuck would we want to spend years in Persia?>fuck with us again and we'll break your other leg.>inb4 you're a kikeFuck israel and fuck all God cursed jews. I hate that those greasy kikes have so much sway.
>>530079098Restrictions on women are a tiny fraction of Islamic law.
>>530069523>Its declawing nowChrist do you have no shame..
>>530069142He's got less than two weeks before all hell breaks loose I'm the global economy. If Iran announced straight is open, there's no guarantee insurance comes back at a price that makes shipping doable. They need a fuckton more capital now because trust was lost. We'll be very very lucky if this doesn't go nuclear or a billion people don't starve/freeze over the next year.
>>530079750Destruction and regime change that could only be accomplished with nuclear weapons or occupation. However this retard ignored all the screaming about PGM and interceptor stockpiles, and warnings from Ukraine, Yemen, and the 12 Day War about the rate of munitions expenditure. And the person who's supposed to be the voice of sanity is a genocidal drunk.
>>530070052Also the US President
>>530070822We do get bombed but it's nowhere near the hot thick loads Iran shot at us in the 12 day war
>>530079654>an Elagabalus-tier retardkek, I like that one
>>530080125You cannot reasonably insure shipping when Trump has turned the US Navy into his personal pirate fleet, and incapable of honoring any agreement.
>>530079199If there was any doubt about your allegiance, you blew the shit out of it with that spasm.
>>530069460>The alternative is going in and slaughtering them allWill you enlist to do this?
>>530069004>if we redefine words we can achieve anything we wantART OF THE DEAL
>>530080257please keep the lurid details of the gay orgies you're having in the bunkers to yourself
>>530074469Unconditional surrender. Their government lists all active personnel. Inventories. Weapons. Providing unrestricted access.It won't stop all resistance. But any army/intel/civil have free access.Only somehow you thought something else. They make terror cells splintering into IED marytrs. You have their addresses, their details, all information on every member of the IRGC active. Full lists of inventory and programs and locations and stockpilesWhy are you a dumbass? You just woke up one day and roll overed deciding today is the day you became a dumbass? Seriously.At that point there's little resistance. It's not to say it can't forment. But it's fully surrendered Do they? It doesn't matter. It's conflict until it occurs and your in there anyway
>>530080350We should just conscript boomercon chickenhawks and send them on a Bay of Pigs suicide mission into Bandar Abbas.
>>530080325jews are vaguely human shaped rats that mutilate the genitals of children and thy must be exterminateddeath to israel and death to yahweh worship
>>530080563A redditor with a retard opinion? Colour me shocked! Take it easy nuggies.
>>530077828Rekt lmao. Fucking Veneco pussies.
>>530076972How many metric tons of fertilizer do they produce by May when 2026 crops need to be planted? How much LNG can they export? Producing oil is good, but the Gulf is critical for a lot more than crude.
>>530080125Not only that, but there are severe concerns about stocks of interceptor missiles. You have Trump begging companies to make more of them urgently, pulling them out of South Korea, and even asking Ukraine for help. Meanwhile, for all their bragging about Iran losing its missiles and launchers, they're still flying every night. If this goes on for a few more weeks, will Israel be able to fend off Iranian missiles at all? And if not, how the fuck do Trump and Bibi uncook their infamous well-done steak?
>>530080744What does that even mean. It's a statement for retard. It makes it clear for him to read. He claimed he'd get IED'ed after an unconditional surrender inviting there. No not him he stepped on an IED.You however don't read. I mean what did you say? I cannot read any of that.Yes it makes sense. Topic doesn't. There's no indication they will yet, and to the contrary. Will they, it would be easier if they did right? It doesn't matter if they don't. The Potus aired the terms of cessation.Try to talk about the subject when arguing with me. Otherwise you're speaking gibberish.
>>530081667you should add some ponies to your wishlist of iranian concessions. you'll have as much luck getting those
>>530080944Thank god Trump greenlit all those lng projects last year.
