One you earn between somewhere between $40-65k (depending on where you live), money stops having meaning. You can purchase anything you want. It becomes additional dollars in the bank. Earning an extra $10k won't actually make you happier, you'll either waste it on bullshit that does nothing or you'll put it in the bank.However, earning an extra $10k when you earn $0k is lifechanging, you can buy food and water, something you need to live.We can increase net happiness by redistributing wealth from those earning $60k+ to those making $0.The argument is further compounded when you realize those making the money aren't any better, they're just privileged.
>>530069262good idea, but the people who will be receiving money have to prove that they deserve it first
because it's the ass backward question. you earn what you produce. if you produce nothing you deserve nothing.
>>530069262Donate extra money to effective altruist charities
>>530069262The real happiness is being secluded, cloistered, and alone- separate from society; disparate from reality. Wondering where it all comes from. Feeling at one with the stars. They used to have natural, virgin timber forests. Now, we’re left with this rotting mess.
>>530069429No one deserves anything. Dessert (philosophical concept) is false and we should be maximizing peoples well-being instead. Specific dessert is even less plausible than general dessert
>>530069262STFU CUNT-FAGGOTASSREDISTRIBUTION OF UBER RICH WEALTH. ROTHSCHILDS WEALTH... ROYALS WEALTH.
>>530069359Why don't the people earning it have to prove they deserve it?>>530069429The people who "produce" are just nepo babies who were given fancy positions by their daddy. They sit in offices and coast on the existing infrastructure built before them.The people who don't work are willing to work the hardest, they just don't have the opportunity.>>530069542I don't have any extra money I'm on social security.
>>530069692>Why don't the people earning it have to prove they deserve it?they do. did you not go to college? have you never done a job interview before?
>>530069262I have made 20k from 0 but I'm still empty inside. What does this say about me?
>>530069676>maximize peoples well-being insteadOk so marginal utility.>>530069665None of this is true, nature and isolation is scary and hellish. You have a romanticized vision.>>530069691Yes, redistribute the wealth from the people employing literally millions directly and undirectly.Fuck off, I know leftists get a bad rep for not understanding economics but I know better than to punish those who use their wealth to create jobs and boost employment.
>>530069808>they do. did you not go to college?Yes, I have a masters.>have you never done a job interview before?If you get a job interview it means your rich daddy behind the scenes pulled strings. It's a ritual for people already hired. It doesn't prove anything.I have had a few job interviews but it was because either my dad ordered me to be hired, a friend referred me, or my friend ran the company.
>>530069262>We can increase net happiness by redistributing wealth from those earning $60k+ to those making $0.>The argument is further compounded when you realize those making the money aren't any better, they're just privilegedThis is pretty much the logic of taxation, and the end result of it is decreased investment and exit of capitals.You do not understand capital theory. The problem with this marginal utility nonsense is that it actively punishes people for saving money and investing. In reality, once you ignore the nature of money as being numbers and understand that money is resources, this entire argument falls apart because its main claim is that people should not have more resources than the bare minimum.Instead of money, think of it as fish. I only need to eat two fish / day to survive. Why would I fish a third fish? Now, if I can have as many fish as I want, I can eat two fishes, then loan extra two fishes in exchange of free labour in the future. By the act that I have this extra two fish, if a comrade of mine cannot work for whatever reason in a certain day, I can support him. If I want to stop fishing for a day, I can still sustain myself. Society itself is safeguarded by this extra spare resources.I know you are motivated by a misguided desire to help those who make 0k, but this is not the way. You are punishing people who create extra resources that are necessary for investment, disaster and such things.If you want to truly help those in need, you want an economy that produces TONS of goods that are low cost and that has so much resources that they can sustain those who produce 0k. If you want that, you need a vast accumulation of capital first.
>>530069879You are literally not empty because now you can buy food.
>>530069262Kek fuck off this was the amount they said in 2012~, it'd be more like 120k now.
>>530069262equity: favored argument of society's most useless eater dead weight class, humanities academics100% impotent in the physical world outside the social spheresurprising
>>530070162>The problem with this marginal utility nonsense is that it actively punishes people for saving money and investing. In reality, once you ignore the nature of money as being numbers and understand that money is resources, this entire argument falls apart because its main claim is that people should not have more resources than the bare minimum.You have absolutely zero understanding of capital theory or finance, or economics.You need investment and capital to build wealth, we need to increase PRODUCTION of real goods and services, we need taxes and big government in order to do that.
>>530070162>This is pretty much the logic of taxation, and the end result of it is decreased investment and exit of capitals.Exit to where? Look, a rich person can cash out and move to dubai, the entire capital of a country is locked in and basically cant be moved.
>>530070004You can be a utilitarian and believe in intrinsic goods besides just pleasure like relationships https://benthams.substack.com/p/against-my-case-for-hedonism-about?utm_source=publication-search
>>530070226I've made $60k a year before the company I worked at went bankrupt and I had such a surplus of wealth that I had to try if I wanted to be in the red. Even months where I was extremely irresponsible and drinking beers everytime friends called me up, I had a cash surplus.>>530070272The pedophile class who has the jobs are the useless class. They used nepotism to steal the jobs, they abuse children, and they produce nothing.
>>530070127sounds like a gay larp. i don't even have a degree yet but i have gotten several interviews and job offers.
>>530070127Bitch I am a community college graduate and first year university washout and I own my own business, make good money, and have 4 kids and a beautiful loving wife. I grew up poor and kinda fat and I am maybe 5/10 in the face. Not to sound like a boomer but man pull yourself up by the bootstrap and get your shit together. Like I tell my eldest son... "You are going to grow to be a man, and as a man you need to rely on yourself because everybody else needs to rely on you, and nobody gives a fuck how you feel about it." Also, I am not even doing backbreaking labour or anything, and I feel good about the money I make because I provide real value to my clients. This is a you problem man and like most things in life, it starts and ends with you.
>>530070524>don’t have a degree>several interviews and job offersRagebait. People with Masters and PHDs don’t even get job offers
>>530070162if the goal of keeping those extra fish is to "safeguard society" and "invest in the future", what happens when the fisherman doesn't use his surplus to build a better net for the village, but instead uses it to buy the entire pond?if he uses his extra fish to ensure no one else can fish without giving him a cut, hasn't his capital accumulation stopped being a resource for disaster relief and started being a barrier to entry for everyone else?
>>530070849Lies
>>530070849You didn’t do shit, assuming this isn’t a larp you had a wealthy daddy who knew the right people and set you up with his wealthy friends. You didn’t lift a finger and never even tried to. You waited until you were pushed across the finish line and then took credit for what you were given
>kantyou either have the will to do or you don't
>>530070288>we need to increase PRODUCTION of real goods and services, we need taxes and big government in order to do that.Riddle me this.When was the last time I bought anything that was 'Made by the US government'?Or riddle me this other thing:Is your computer made of good thoughts, or economic illiteracy? No, no, no. Someone had to mine the resources, someone had to build a road, someone had to have an exportation company, someone had to have a ship, someone had to have the fuel, someone had to have an assembly, and so on.And even in your system, where you assume the government will do it, there is less resources for the government to tax because you are punishing producers and rewarding idleness. The result of this is not to your liking, you are creating a society without surplus goods.>you need investment and capital to build wealthAnd where does capital come from? Then again, you seem very fooled by the nature of money. Zimbabwe was fooled by this, too. Money is just an abstraction to the power of acquiring resources. It is unused resources (resources unturned to consumer goods) that are required to build capital, then those resources can be turned into enterprises, roads, machinery, and so on. You do not understand the purpose of capital and interest. In your worldview, a hypothetic nation would collapse in the first hurricane or the first unpredicted disaster. Because everyone is punished for saving money, and people are rewarded for spending it while not producing anything.
>>530069262If we decide murdering you would increase net happiness, would you say we would be justified in doing so?
>>530069262I will kill you for stealing my wealthThis is where the debate endsI will slaughter your entire family and if you have descendants I will consider them guilty by association I will crucify you, hang the children of your family with your entrails, and empale the women with white hot steel rodsI will make sure your genes go extinct and that you suffer before you stop existing forever, worthless thief I will crucify the commies along a road like Crassus crucified the rebels of Spartacus. Such is your fate thief
>>530069262>One you earn between somewhere between $40-65k (depending on where you live), money stops having meaning.Yeah you lost me at your first retarded sentence
>>530071030nope. i just actually have skills.
>>530071399Yes you would be justified I would help you in fact Physical removal of commies works really well, look at Singapore, Indonesia, Chile, America and Nazi germany. All societies that prosper on the MASS GRAVES of these animalsDrown the reds in a red pool of their blood.
>>530069262>He thinks $60k is a lot of moneyThis is why poorfags can't be in charge of policy
>One you earn between somewhere between $40-65k (depending on where you live), money stops having meaning. You can purchase anything you wantWhat the fuck are you talking about, nigger? Did you even think before posting something this retarded?
>>530069262We could go further. We could gas billionaires and redistribute their wealth.
>>530071269You argue that we need a surplus of fish to build the nets, roads, and ships that create abundance. Fair. But riddle me this:If the fisherman with the surplus uses his 'extra fish' to hire all the other villagers to build him a massive golden palace instead of a better net, hasn't that capital been just as 'wasted' as if it were redistributed?In your world, the 'Producers' are the heroes of capital accumulation. But in reality, much of modern capital is spent on speculation and luxury status symbols that don't actually increase the 'production of real goods.'If the government taxes that 'Golden Palace' to build a public school where the $0-earner's child learns how to build a better engine, isn't that a more efficient 'investment' in future resources than letting the surplus sit in a private vault or a luxury vanity project?
>>530069262Sure ok we can have your UBI, but if you get caught doing any crime it's getting revoked and you're fucked.
>>530071269>And even in your system, where you assume the government will do it, tDude you are fucking insane no one is proposing any "system" about anything holy fuck you are arguing with yourself. Who the fuck even said the government will build some thing? Who are you arguing with?
>>530071269You have bought many products made by Chinese government owned companies, Saudi Arabian owned companies, or companies directly built using USA Goverbment investment like Apple or Microsoft
>>530071406The Nazis, the Singaporeans, the Chinese, every “successful” fascist country executed rich parasites like you
>>530071162No actually I bounced from one shitty sales job to another for the better part of 15 years, before working sales in the company I now own. I found I enjoyed doing it and excelled at it, so I made a buyout offer to the former owner that would leave me penniless if I fucked up to be able to get myself to this level. Its called betting on yourself, which judging by your attitude you could never do because you are a whiny bitch. I worked hard as fuck and if my attitude were 1/5 as shitty and defeatist as yours I would be a loser like you too. Get your shit together and stop feeling sorry for yourself son.
>>530071597Yeah, OP is a massive faggot
>>530071530No you don’t, assuming this isn’t a larp (it is) you just have a rich daddy
>>530069262If you have more money, you can pool your savings together and, together with your fellow jews, >bribe politicans to make all your zionist dreams come true!>buy newspapers like the NYT to spread zog propaganda!>hire killers to shoot president dead, like Kennedy, who wanted to disarm israel nukes and bring Palestinians back home!>buy more pedo islands!so much fun to be had if only you can pool shekels together with good friends!
>>530071597>he thinks people who earn over $60k aren’t disgustingAnd this is why Epstein pedos need to be in prison
>>530072025You’re a pathetic loser bailed out by your rich daddy I’ve spent my whole life trying to get a sales job, you need weathy families for that.I’ve been planning since I was 14 to get a job in sales or a job that high status it doesn’t work if your daddy isn’t rich
>>530071053>if the goal of keeping those extra fish is to "safeguard society" and "invest in the future", what happens when the fisherman doesn't use his surplus to build a better net for the village, but instead uses it to buy the entire pond?That is a good point.For those who are interventionists and do not believe in the perfectability of the market, that is where they'd say that the state needs to intervene. But I think that is a cop out, because the state tends to be more involved in creating monopolies than ever ending them. The state is hardly ever a good regulator, especially in a democratic regime, where the state is bought and sold by money, and ruled by money too.Since I don't believe in the perfection of the market. I'd be curious on how a fisherman can buy a pond, unless that pond had a previous owner or the fisherman uses strength to claim it. When this happens to mines, generally the owner of the mine is or was ultimately the owner of the land as sanctioned by ancient law (many mines in german states were owned by business with aristocratic origin). Thus the problem becomes not economic in nature, but political and philosophical (the legality of the claim to land). In that case, I tend to agree with Georgism, that you (fisherman) can't just sit on your ass living off fees from the use of your property like land, you need to 'maintain'. For Georgism (in which Adam Smith believed too), capitalism needs to be ammended with this clause that you can't just simply own mines and real estate, and that ownership of these scarce resources should be conditioned by the maintenance of them.
>>530069262>you can buy food and water, something you need to live.That's what food banks are for, and they're very effective. Western countries have practically zero deaths due to hunger.
>>530071711This is a good question that has haunted Henry George, Adam Smith, Mill, Marx, and so on. Saying 'the state will fix it' is a cop out.I address this here >>530072229>>530071928The anon I was debating it with said himself that the state is necessary for capital, which is not that invalid of an assessment, considering how much the CCP does compared to the american business who just rug retail buyers in the stock market and run data center schemes.>>530071935Fair, so I insist on my question: if China has all of this extra resources, it is because they have TODAY surplus goods. In the past they didn't, hence why they needed international investment. Because the FOREIGN INVESTORS had access to surplus goods.It doesn't matter how much you beat the question, you CANNOT create a healthy and prosperous society without surplus goods because you want to reward idleness. It does not lead to greatness, development, or even the good of the people. It leads to disaster, poverty and the perpetuation of incompetence.The sad issue is that poverty is just the nature of life. Everyone is poor until they do something about it. Resources have to be produced by inputing labour, and those resources turn to capital when you produce more than when you consume. You can do all sorts of hijincks by confusing yourself by the money <-> resources link, but nothing changes the fact that if you want to give a home to the poor, someone had to cut more trees than they required to build exclusively their own home.You want to help people, but punishing the creation of value is not the way. The illness in your society does not originate from the fact some people earn more money than others.
>>530072040and now you are just accusing me of larping. my parents are not rich, and i am employed in my field despite not yet graduating. people from humble beginnings can still become successful. you are just a retarded faggot.
>>530072276I use them they barely give you anything
>>530072753My dad was a State Senator and he admitted that if he was a Federal Senator, I’d be employed. I’m insanely skilled, top engineer from Dartmouth and minored in applied mathematics
>>530070004>None of this is true, nature and isolation is scary and hellish. You have a romanticized vision.It's scary and hellish to you because you are a weakling that cannot survive without others supporting you.
>>530069262I get 33k$ in givs but I need about 1 mill for a house and about 60k a year to buy things for said house and property, utilities, car and food
>>530069262take out a loan
>>530072886uh huh.
>>530069262I spend the extra money on stocks and whores
>>530072830And yet here you are. If we had thousands of people starving every week then i'd agree to an emergency provision of food, but clearly that's not the case. Whatever we're doing is still working well enough for people to not starve to death. That's my "good enough" baseline, and i see no reason to change what is working.
>>530069262You are this retard from yesterday who claimed that 40K USD for year is some kind of unbelievable wealthYou must be 18 to post here
>>53006926240-65k can't buy financial sovereignty for yourself and the generations that follow
>>530072753>people from humble beginnings can still become successfulDon't be evil to people who are not as well connected or that do not function in a deeply ill society. Anon is right about the issue, it is just the solution that an own goal.>>530072905You sound like you were born with a silver spoon and a golden fork.You have no clue the type of hardship average people go through. Your entire country is propped up artificially, yet your people still struggle. The main thing that ends poverty is better family, because it does not matter if you are born in Switzerland or Paraguay. If you are abused by your parents, unsupported by your community and so on, you are just fucked. No matter where you are born. But don't worry, you'll soon understand that life is not fair. Your country is on borrowed time.
>>530072741>The anon I was debating it with said himself that the state is necessary for capital,Holy fuck how does any of that means the state building a thing? You are arguing with yourself, you are not reading what anyone is writing, you are imagining a fictional conversation
>>530073128I’m definitely going to believe some Nobodt has job offers
>>530069262Money doesn't stop having meaning until you're a king with a strong military and access to nukes. Until that point you're just a bitch to get fucked over and killed by someone with more money than you. Unless you can threaten nuclear Armageddon, you are meaningless and will be killed the second it's convenient for someone will more resources than you
>>530073333Honestly if I can hurt people earning more than 50k a year, I’d be fine with it even if it doesn’t work. I want revenge on the people I hate too
>>530069692>The people who don't work are willing to work the hardest Wow, I never knew Somalis could be such hard workers.KYS
>>530073364If you think 40k usd isn’t unbelievable income especially for a Pole, you are a child or in highschool>>530073452You can buy food>>530073732Earning over 55k makes you a king. You can go to a grocery store and get whatever you want, steaks, chickens, etc You can buy products from around the world, you have workers all around the world serving you
>>530073716>I’m definitely going to believe some Nobodt has job offersWhat universe is this where having a job is seen as the privilege of the elites? Basically the entire population of every country is employed, not including students, pensioners or housewives.
>>530072077>>he thinks people who earn over $60k aren’t disgusting>And this is why Epstein pedos need to be in prisonSupport your local commie-killing glowie fed
>>530073777Im talking WASPs here
>>530070004>Nature and isolation is scary and hellish Subhuman confirmed (the flag was the first clue, how about removing it? But we know you won't)
>>530073907Even the children of elites are having trouble finding jobs.The only people getting jobs are those whose parents are high up in the corporate system. Nobody else gets jobs
>>530072077You realize $60k is about $20k below the median household income, right? The median individual income is $63k for full-time workers. You're setting the bar so low. Try not being a nigger
>>530073976If you prefer nature to a city you’re an animal, you aren’t human, you’re an ape
>>530073891>gets gets killed by us government when they realize your land (that you don't own because property tax is just government rent) has more value to them than you pay in taxesNothing personal
>>530069262If you want to help these people, do it with your own money. We are NOT a homogeneous society of brothers, we are stranger sharing an economic zone.
>>530069262>One you earn between somewhere between $40-65k (depending on where you live), money stops having meaningAdd a 1 in front of that just to afford rent/mortgage. I make 140k with a stay-at-home wife and 2 kids, I lose money each month. Having each child was $10k after the $500/month insurance. $50k is eaten by income taxes + 401k. Another $40k is eaten by the mortgage+interest+property taxes. Add in car insurance, utility bills, phone bills, home repairs, 2 car insurances, car repairs, etc. $140k will make you break even as long as you never go on vacation or have a third child.
>>530069262Here’s a cleaned-up complete pol-style reply for your retard forum that includes those points:MU is real but your conclusion doesn’t follow. Money isn’t the same thing as resources. If you redistribute income without increasing the supply of real goods, prices just adjust. You haven’t created more housing, land, energy, etc. Scarcity still exists.Also a lot of industries rely on stratified demand. High-end consumers paying more helps cover huge fixed costs and fund R&D. Luxury cars bankroll new tech that later shows up in cheaper cars.Same with airlines. Business and first class bring in a disproportionate share of revenue. If every seat was economy, planes wouldn’t stop flying, but something has to give: average ticket prices go up, some routes disappear, flight frequency drops, and cabins get even denser to make the economics work.Same logic with cars — if everything had to be basically VW Golf-tier pricing, some higher-end models and a lot of expensive new tech simply wouldn’t get developed or would appear much later.So “just redistribute from people making 60k+” ignores scarcity, incentives, and how tiered markets actually help fund innovation and large fixed costs.
>>530073761Pulling people down does not elevate you, you'll just feel schadenfreude for a second and then you'll go right back to being miserable. Be constructive, not destructive.
>>530074228So why should i care if people earning more than 50k get taxed to death?>>530074049Those stats are bogus and you're retarded if you believe them.If Ivy League engineers can't get jobs that pay that much, how would random workers when only 50% graduated highschool?
>>530074296>Add a 1 in front of that just to afford rent/mortgage. I make 140k with a stay-at-home wife and 2 kids,I made 60k before the company I worked at went bankrupt.I could afford absolutely anything I wanted. I could blow money like a Keynesian in a depression. I went on vacation to Europe, I went to the most fancy restaurants, etc. I still ran a surplus every month.>>530074486Problem is you need rich families to give you opportunities.
>>530073928Then maybe the benefits should only be for WASPsOr better yet, the entire country should be WASPs>>530074054Ape > poop goblin or Jew.Show flag.
Marginal utility is true by definition it can't be refuted or confirmed, it's derived from the axioms of human action. It's like trying to refute 2+2=4, when it's by definition true
>>530074711I'm a WASP dingus.
>>530074547Ivy league engineers can't get jobs because they're holding out for 6-figure jobs at prestigious companies (and they should, they went to f'ing Harvard). $60k is $28.85/hr if you work 40 hours a week. There are plenty of jobs that pay that. Your average teacher, nurse, etc. is definitely making that
>>530073990>Even the children of elites are having trouble finding jobs.This is a lie. Almost the entire population is employed. I dont know what the kids of elites do, it should not matter for them if they get jobs. The usual people that are employed are those in lower classes, whom wagecuck. The rich dont need to work and aristocrats back in the day found it shameful, literally a thing for plebs.
>>530074690>Problem is you need rich families to give you opportunities.No, you just need ideas to extract money from them in a way they give it to you willingly. For example a friend of mine made hundreds of thousands selling pretty wax candles to rich women online. You were born with a brain, you're allowed to use it.
>>530074788Oh. That would explain being a shabbos goy.(Commies AND capitalists are shabbos goys)Doesn't explain the flag though
>>530072886>I’m insanely skilled AND have the political and social connections needed to succeed in this market structure that I despiseAnd>>530072830>I need to use the food bank because I can’t afford to eat. Together, along with your overall argument, these statements seem fairly incongruous. You’re *so* smart, *so* connected, and *so* empathetic to the woes of the $0-$40k, yet based on what you’re saying, you are part of that samesuch group in spite of all the positive circumstances of your own life. There’s a saying, “Charity begins at home” and while I typically find it cheesy, I think it really does apply here. Put your money where your mouth is, make tons over that $65k happiness maximum, and donate every penny afterwards to improve the lives of those you are telling us all to support. You haven’t done anything with all the privileges you’ve been given, what right do you have to sit and lecture? You’re essentially acting as a finely dressed businessman asking for charity like a bum, and it’s a bad look. In theory your labour value should be insanely high if all that you’re saying is true. If that’s so, why aren’t you trying to build paradise with your excess value you could generate? Seems to me you’re instead living off of the excess value created by others and not contributing anything of your own, acting as a leech on the ‘commons’, which is the fatal problem of the system you propose. Your arguments aren’t altogether misplaced, and I’m a huge proponent for the destruction of usurious systems of finance, as well as for more individual ownership of capital and productive enterprise, but I don’t think you’re approaching this in the right way.
>>530073891>If you think 40k usd isn’t unbelievable income especially for a Pole, you are a child or in highschoolAs I wrote yesterday, this is a very moderate payment for a specialist in white collar sector. A nice cash to live by as a single man, but not a life changing, impressive wealth. Even a simpleton from a lower class would know that.
>>530073891>Earning over 55k makes you a king. You can go to a grocery store and get whatever you want, steaks, chickens, etc>buying real meat makes you a kingShow your flag, I wonder what kind of Thirdworldia have you crawled from
>>530075521>Refuses to show flag>Thinks eating meat makes you a king>Thinks $40k USD is lifechanging wealthI'd bet my next paycheck it's a jeet
>>530071406Please help me understand. This guy will take 65k from you, brutal, what an asshole.But the bank has stolen from you everyday your purchasing power by printing money for other peoples houses not 65k at once, mut 10 too 100x that over the course of your lifeWhere is your furey against this institutionalized and legalized theft?
>>530075521Canada, we’re literally richer than youI wonder what sort of Royal pedophile your dad was if you have 40k a year
>>530075389I come from the upper class and it’s more than we ever had
>>530075251How is that inconsistent at all?My entire point is that the skilled educated and intelligent hard working peopl have to use food banksIt’s the retarded 70 IQ nepo babies with super wealthy parents who get jobs
>>530075111In America and Canada, you need to come from aristocracy to work. Nobody is employed, those employment statistics are bogus that nobody believes.
>>530069262Where do you fucking live? Sounds like American burger flippers could move there with just their change jar and be King of the place. 40k is poverty in America. 65k would be like the bottom of one person doing okay. It couldn’t support a family you would still be stressed about money but one person would be okay. Not great.
>>530074982No they’re not, I’ve been applying to minimum wage jobs When I did work, I made $55k and it’s only because my dad knew the ceo of the company
>>530075251He seems prone to the classic commie errors:Thinking he'll be a commissar because he's so smart and virtuous.Thinking people will still work without any incentive.Thinking that everything would be great if there was just one more law (made by "good" people such as himself, of course)Thinking that the worst people won't rise to the top.Thinking that welfare doesn't selectively breed subhumans.Ignoring the Jewish agenda behind Communism.>>530075521This lolThat's quite livable in rural areas if you have a house and no family.Renters in a city can't do it.
>>530076200>those employment statistics are bogus that nobody believes.I think you are living in an internet bubble or only hang out with other unemployed people. You are a small minority, most of the population is exploited working poor, or middle class with better jobs. If you are not working how are you even alive? Gibs?
>>530076263I’m from Canada, if you make over $45k you’re a disgusting person, like people will openly say they wish cancer and gut disease on you. $60k is so wealthy that people will actively try and hurt you.You just need 25 to 30k to support a large family
>>530076297I live in Toronto, you can’t earn more than $60k because if you do you’ll have so much money you’ll suicide In rural areas you can’t earn more than $30k
>>530069262The pledge of the zero factor is a lonely and fraught journey. It understands the root of enslavement is in the monopoly of the land, and its extortion of rent for BOTH the lender and debtor to the money printer. The lender is bound by interest, the borrower dependent on favours. The zero factor is aware that humanities potential is parasitized under this necromantic magic, demanded mortgages (death pledges) for the theivery on the masses by inflation. Giving money wont helpTeaching them to fish willGetting them their own airable land willEnd moneyEnd the fake calendar banker wars and rebuild the pride of the nations and its providance
>>530076371My family is very very powerful and managed to connect me with a friend who ran a startup. I was hired to $55k a year and saved as much as possible. Now I’m living on social security and savings.And yes I fully recognize I’m a bad person for having all this, my criticism is against the system. All my friends are Ivy League grads or people from MIT. Nobody has jobs nobody can find jobs
>>530076277You have an engineering degree from an Ivy League school?
>>530076574I'm calling bullshit. Why aren't you still working for the start-up? Why weren't you able to use your experience to get another job in your field?
>>530069262Anon I'm poor and an extra $20k would mean the world to me right now.Are you willing to redistribute your money to me?You'd make my life - and the world, by extension - an immeasurably better place.
>>530076523>Teaching them to fish willIt has not helped Europe, India, Brazil or any other country that educates their own people reliably.Teaching them to fish will only create brain drain, since the new fishermen will just move to nations with more ponds for them to fish from. What has education done, if not overproduced elites to destabilize the 3rd-world, and shipping immigrants to reduce in wages in the 1st-world?What we need is more capital, more investment, less consumption and more production. It is that simple.Those who bless creating of capital will be blessed.Those who curse creation of capital and reward parasitism and idleness will be cursed.
Yeah maybe if that's current USD and you move to a third world shithole you might be comfortable.
>>530069262Most of what people have beyond that is assets anon. There is no redistributing it. Thats called stealing. Worse the people without money are poor because they never realized to earn or spend it properly. Why should people who toil bleed for those who do not. Welfare has never worked and diversity and put stake in its heart forever.
>>530074547>So why should i care if people earning more than 50k get taxed to death?Because then the government gains more power->builds corrupt institutions
>>530076856I need more, my country is poorer. 20k would do wonders for me, I am literally letting my retired neighbor bust my bussy because I don't want my family to know I lost my job of swindling people.Zelensky is coming to kill all hungarians, brazilians won't have the same luck.
>>530069692>people earning it>prove they deserve itThat what earning it is.
>>530076078It’s inconsistent because somehow there are all of these people making $65k who ARE NOT incredibly well-connected but still manage to provide some form of productive services that the market has deemed valuable. The labor value of a fucking entry-level accountant is higher than the amount of money you made in a supposed nepo baby dream job. Either your credentials are garbage, your work ethic is garbage, personality is garbage, your abilities are not as good as you claim, or your insufferable attitude makes you inherently unhirable, OR the entirety of the market and society has somehow conspired against you to ensure that despite being handed life on a platter, you had to work to get anything and it made you feel bad. One of these is more likely than the other. You’re basing your entire ideas off of one or two datapoints, one of which is your lived experience. In the same manner, I’ll counter and say everyone I know who is educated, intelligent*, hardworking, and has no major maladjustment, is successful in the, at minimum, $45k range, with most making in the realms of high 5-figure and low 6-figure incomes. Some make much more than that. This really seems more like it’s probably a “(you)” problem. *Intelligence to a certain degree is necessary but I have hard working buddies who have educational credentials in the trades who are making solid money. tl;dr: git güd
>>530069262>We can increase net happiness by redistributing wealth from those earning $60k+ to those making $0.I'm honestly not sure if it's the best idea to subsidize the lives of the stupid and the lazy. Happiness at the cost of human fitness might not be worth it.
>>530069262>memeflagI wish you were a White redditor I was speaking with rather than a GOOD MORNING SAAR. I struggle along making a six figure income because the world is so fucked in Clownworld+11 that I need to afford having children with surrogates. I observed my mom try (and fail lol) to destroy my dad since I was 3 years old and the level of absolutely Satanic abuse she levied upon me and my sister has left me with no choice other than impose zero risk to that happening to my own children. I'm having most of my children with surrogates and considering marrying a Muslim woman at some point since they are probably the only ones 99% not susceptible to the jew divorce court but even that I view as a calculated risk.
>>530069262This is incorrect. Money and happiness scale together until you can afford private plane charters for any air travel you do, THEN it drops off a cliff. That's at least 7 figures income and 8 figures in net worth.But yeah, plenty of retards keep going after that, see; Bezos, Musk, Rothschilds, everyone in Congress, etc. The only reason to keep going after that is you're a damaged person who seeks power to fill the hole in your heart.
>>530076574>All my friends are Ivy League grads or people from MIT. Nobody has jobs nobody can find jobsHave you ever looked for low class serf jobs? I figure you have not since you find it below your dignity. Could be, but your situation isnt common, most of the working poor share nothing of your background. So why is it that you project your problems unto the population?You say you have a rich family and cant get elite jobs, then you say most of the population isnt working, and statistics are lies.
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>>530077353God can create fish out of thin air, we can't.Women can create money out of nothing, but that still requires a decent definition camera and a horny public of indian coomers.
>>530069262earning an extra $10k means you can save some for the future. your post assumes every year restarts when one ends and there is no future value in unspent money.if you had $50million then you could argue there is no more utility because you could live off what JP Morgan gives you in interest on the $40million you gave them to invest while you spend the $10million you kept. in your scenario, if you make $10k more and put that in the S&P for 20 or 30 years, then you have a few hundred thousand for when you retire. do that every year and you have a few million at 65. that is the excess utility
>>5300692621. The money needs to be taken from millionaires, not depreciating the middle class. 2. The poor suffer due to excess population and scarcity. If you give money to these people to have 10 children to exploit within the framework of poverty, the problem multiplies itself due to the ability to extend themselves in a single generation.They would have to prove they are not reproducing above replacement levels to qualify.
>>530075521I agree with the polanb bro>>530075945India, we're richer than you
>>530069262but without the need for slave labour, how do we floor the country with indians?
>>530072202Get you OMVIC, show up at a dealership, they will hire you. You can't fathom anybody else actually succeeding because you're both useless and self important lmao.
>>530069262$10k bought me a motorcycle, and that makes me happy. It can also buy me a house far away from nigs, which is the American dream.
>>530072202Also, its rich some faggot loke you is calling somebody else a pathetic loser as you wallow in your own self pity. Get your shit together son. Gotta go now, leaving the office at 425 because I am the fucking boss, I am done, I have done great this week, and I want to have a beer and BBQ with my boy. I'll pray you stop being such a bitter faggot though. Take care.
>>530069879I guess you have to give it back since it didn't work
>>530069262If these people you speak of currently are unable to buy food and water, then how are they alive?Something is not adding up
>make $50k>can afford anything I wantIn OPs logic, I can afford 50k blowjobs from xers mom...or dad I want land for an orchard, not Faggy "trust us with your money" communist gobbledygook
>>530076386In Canada, the average house price is over $650,000. That means you would have to work for over 11 years, putting 100% of your money into housing, just to afford an AVERAGE house in Canada, if you make 60k/year. True elites don’t work, much less devote 10+ years of labor JUST to buying an average house.The elite are the ones who sit in their asses collecting so much passive income in a year that they can buy a mansion ($3,000,000+) per year
>>530069262sounds like bad communism versionstill, I'd like cap on wealth, even if only so no more faggots like Gates deciding about my health
$40k or even $60k being a lot of money PER YEAR is just laughable at this point.When I was young and single, it was easy. Now I'm married with kids and I'd be shit out of luck if I only made double that amount.Sounds like I'm bragging, but I'm not. It's not even lifestyle creep. I live like a hermit with old cars, old clothes, old furniture, etc. The cost of living has simply just gone crazy where I live. (outside of Seattle).
>>530080235A wealth cap of $50B would be reasonable, or at the very least, all wealth above that amount should be taxed heavily.The only use for that much wealth is subverting and undermining society.
>>530069262could you argue that eliminating the people making zero would do the same thing?
>>530069262Once they satisfy basic needs people start competing with each other for status, and money has limitless utility for that.
>>530070288>flies an anarchist flag>is advocating for big government.Ow- my brain...
>>530069262I make 170k/yr nominally, 120k/yr after tax, and I'm years away from being able to afford a single family house, I care a lot about making more money
>>530081065It's funny how all the "anarchists" have the same opinions as the establishment and are supported by the establishment. Except for the whole Palestine thing. They're right about that but for the wrong reasons LOL
>>530081356 Sounds like you waste a lot of money
>>530082882I invest virtually all that doesn't go to necessities
>>530069262>You can purchase anything you want once you’re making $40-65K/yrHoly fuck, the only plausible answer as to “how the hell you managed to come up with such a wildly inaccurate economic assessment is that you may as well have been living under a rock for the last 30 years as a proud resident of West Virginia. Only there could your statement even begin to be true, as the passing of land/houses(trailers) through generations have led to respectable levels of non-mortgaged home ownership. Either you’re a lifelong West Virginian(east KY/SE OH are honorary Wesserginians), an out of touch boomer, or literally living in a third world shithole like Jamaica, or you are extremely high/retarded. Maybe a mixture thereof.
>>530083732That being said, I have lived such a lifestyle of financial comfort, not having to check my account balance before filling up, buying groceries, never worrying about the exact date of my next paycheck, making $45K in D/FW, but to do so, I had to make the conscious decision to reject the idea of putting 1st and last months rent down on an apartment, on top of a security deposit which was equivalent to a months rent, plus $900/mo bill for my entire stay(except maybe the last month). Sure, bringing chicks, friends, coworkers home is much more chill when you don’t have to worry about “aesthetics , but I don’t associate with such shallow people anyhow, and I never much liked the idea of having a meth lab catch fire to the whole building, or not owning the four walls and a roof over my head, free to do with them whatever I please. So, I went the route of finding a larger travel trailer for free or cheap, there are many out there that just need a set of tires, axles regreased, and roof resealed after moving, especially in the south(note: if any existing water damage exists, walk away). I found an ‘82 Holiday Rambler in excellent condition, stored under a carport for the last 10years after the original owners retired(they offered on-site security/basic surveillance services). I rented a U-Haul f150 to drag it 200 miles, after taking the rims off and having the tires replaced($125/ea x5), and laid down 3months rent at a nice, quiet, shaded RV park in Denton, TX, where rent is still under $500 to this day with electric/water/sewage/wifi/trash included, decent laundromat on site. There’s one corner of the park with run down crack shacks, they keep to themselves due to a heavy “neighborhood watch” deterrence threat. So, it can still be done today, to live within financially comfortable means, while saving more money than you spend each month, but you have to be willing to never invite co-workers over for dinner or mention living in an RV campground.
>>530083010well then I don't see why you couldn't buy a house whenever you wanted
>>530085188Center van was a parts vehicle, I bought it for $250(caved in from a t-bone on other side), drove it 5 miles to my place, and swapped the rear differentials on them(my good van sheared a tooth in the pinion gear, loud clunk-hop every 3ft), then drove the parts van 25mi to Dallas, selling it for $500 to a junkyard.
>>530085664Here’s a shot of the ol girl the day I sold it, RIP Econoline. That trailer in the background, I rented for $325/mo in central WV, Gilmer county. There were 3 trailers end-to-end up a precarious(in winter) driveway, on a mountainside, a former-Italian restaurant owner(crazy religious fanatic) set up as his landlord-based retirement nest-egg. It would be $475/mo today.
>>530069262I would have to make probably $175,000 per year, minimum in order to have the same standard of living my parents who worked normal jobs had. $40-60k might be good in an area flooded with niggers but any decent area that has been flooded by jeets and chinks. good luck.
>>530069262Fair enough.And?
>>530069262I have a better idea Kill all Jews and Marxists Problem solved
