One theory the Valentinian Gnostics believed was that the material world was a projection, or a shadow, held together by the divine sparks, or light, within man. They believed that as more and more sparks managed to obtain gnosis and escape the material realm instead of reincarnating, that the world would become "thin." That is, reality itself would begin to break down, its rules become fragile and appear more and more to be random and almost mad. Meanwhile, desperate to maintain the illusion a little longer, the controllers of the world (they called them Archons, but they could easily be called the devil or demonic deities) would foment discord within man, pitting fathers against sons, mothers against daughters, brother peoples against brother peoples. They would do this, the gnostics assumed, in order to force the remaining men to become distracted with their material world instead of looking inward to achieve gnosis. What do anons think of this theory? Does it fit with modern conceptions of the end times better or worse than the events depicted in revelation? Or is it just more religious mumbo jumbo as an atheist would say?
>if those who guide you say: look>the kingdom is in the sky>then the birds are closer than you>if they say: look>it is in the sea>then the fish already know it>the kingdom is inside you>and it is outside you>when you know yourself, then you will be known>and you will know that you are the child of the living father>but if you do not know yourself>you will live in vain>and you will be vanity
>>530076834It's all ancient fairytales dumbass. No one knows the world fully or its endgame. Especially not random priests from 2,000 years ago lol
>>530076834Pluto in Aquarius... take full advantage of the astral energies
>>530077320>It never meant anything to me until March, and in March when it happened to me I couldn't relate what had happened to anything I'd ever been taught about God or religion. I thought god was up there in the sky. However, he is not; he is a spark which can fuse the total mind in each of us into something entirely new which was not there before... –Philip K. Dick
>>530076834Demiurge is (You), archons are your bad tendencies, addictions, and impulses. Retard.
>>530076834K, keep me posted
The Heavenly Rulers are not enemies of Humanity or Spirit.
>>530077319it had to be a leaf.
>>530077320>>530077457>>530077881fkn leafniggers ruining good threads
>>530076834It's like nodes lighting up on a network. Each mind being a node so if the system lights up completely then the earth becomes aware and we break the chain of recursion moving into the infinite dimension. Like flipping the universe inside out. There will be a man that dies and explodes in the sky. He will reform and be the first match.
>They are the seven planetary Logoi, and are the Lords of the Rays, the seven Heavenly Men. They developed the mind aspect in the first solar system, that in which Brahma was paramount, and in Himself embodied objective existence. This He did in the same sense as that in which the second aspect (the Vishnu or Dragon of Wisdom aspect) is the sumtotal of existence in this the second system. –A Treatise on Cosmic Fire, A.A.B
>>530076834ALL FUCKING NIGGER TIER REPLIESI HATE THE DEMIURGEEARTH IS A LOOSH FARM I DENOUNCE THE TALMUDFUCK NIGGERS
>>530078379this post is a perfect example of why "internet gnosticism" is bad
Assuming any of this is true, how do I attain gnosis? I've begun meditating lately, is that enough?
>>530078379OP here, do you subscribe to a particular school of gnostic thought, brother?
blindly hating everything is not good for the soul
pro-tip: cocoa on Fridays
>>530078600essentially no one really knows. the whole point of gnosticism is to find out. it is all theories and esoteric knowledge. the main themes that occur again and again is that one should withdraw from the world, only partaking in it because we are imprisoned in it. Some gnostic schools, such as the cathars, even advocated for antinatalism and vegetarianism. others, such as the valentinians, saw the best path to gnosis is through love for other sparks (humans), meditation, and several sacraments which would help one get past the archons after death and avoid reincarnation. Essentially, gnosis is attaining the closest thing to 'wholeness' as one can and attaining the knowledge that will enable one to leave this realm after death and rejoin the One (the pleroma)>>530078461>>530078619>>530078799do you have anything to contribute? you are welcome to this thread if you are willing to partake in discussion.
>>530076834There's a mossad bot ruining the thread so you're onto something OP. I align more to hermeticism. I feel as if there's just One and All, this world is merely a speck on this All, not perfect, but possessing of divine sparks that reside in all of us. I need to meditate more, I don't know much
>>530078618Maybe I will post something when the jeets leave the thread
Everything on this plane is false and illusory, it's easy to agree on that at least
>>530076834billions must die
daily reminder that 100% of end times posters have been wrong, going back thousands of yearsdaily reminder that 100% of end times posters are incel fags who want the world to end so that he ends up tied with chad
>>530079196... lol at "internet gnostics"
>>530079196>>530079592here is my contributionHAPPY FRIDAY YOU RACIST IDIOTShttps://youtu.be/yD0L5BRlrDg
>>530076834The only misunderstanding is not seeing the full picture of reality. In the broadest view, they are not our enemy, but fellow actors on the stage.Do you know why their code demands that they must reveal their treachery? It is so that the side of light may hear the call to adventure and thus complete the scenario to satisfaction.
When you awake to yourself, time ends for you and everyone else. Life is just a dream where you project your conflict on the outside. Jews, for instance, are a parasitical representation of our inner processes. There is only reality and existence.
>>530076834If you want to achieve gnosis /pol/ probably isn't the best place to spend your time fella
ok watch this OP https://youtu.be/0kyWm3X1lEQ
>>530076834Gnosticism is simply another heresy. Any deviation from Christ is heresy.
How do Gnostics here feel about hermeticism? I've been looking into alchemy as a means to gnosis.
>>530080335I subscribe to this belief
>>530080614Gnostics very frequently follow Christ, but interpret his teachings differently.
>>530079592as >>530079309 says, it appears that they will not leave anytime soon, since we are close to the pulse of the thing going on in this realm. >>530079757I get what you're saying. let it be known that i do not wish for nor cheer on the apocalypse. My mother was one of those who almost reveled in the thought of the slaughter which would occur if the book of revelations were true predictions. She wished for it with all her being. I asked her once, "don't you wish for your grandchildren to have a chance at a happy life?" she had no response. Lately the world seems to be spiraling, though, and I wonder what anons think concerning the gnostic predictions of the end times.
>>530076834>>530077457Every 4chan cope boils down to the same tired fantasy: something *good* is always just over the horizon. Alien disclosure is coming to earth, Hitler 2.0 rising from the ashes, Jesus descending to smite their enemies, Trump and the globohomo awakening in two weeks, mass genocide solving all their problems, or the magical day when everyone suddenly agrees with their garbage takes.It’s all hopium for losers who can’t deal with the present. Instead of doing anything meaningful, they sit in their digital basements praying for a future that never comes. Every post is just another round of "just wait, you’ll see," while the rest of the world keeps living, laughing, and leaving them behind.The truth? Nothing’s coming. No savior, no reckoning, no mass awakening, no shift in opinions. It’s just endless cope for people too powerless to face reality. The only thing in their future is more disappointment and deep down, they know it.
>>530080614>heresysuch a bullshit term. I understand being weary of being led off the path Jesus laid out, but to call theories or schools of thought heresy is to blindly follow where your masters in the church lead.Gnosticism, whether you believe in it or not, is merely a school of thought, theories on what Jesus meant by his teachings, and ponderings on the nature of the world we inhabit.To toss away something because of preconceived notions is the mark of one happy to remain in ignorance. >>530081163We are not of this world, brother. No matter how much bread, circuses or sex one gets, there is no wholeness here. There is no perfect system of governance, nothing but devouring other's energy to sustain ourselves. That is why I've delved into gnosticism: it declares that one cannot be fulfilled in this world, and that we are alien to it. We come from somewhere else, a wholeness, a One, in another realm. Our material needs constrain us and force us to turn against brother, whilst our unconscious brains manipulate use like puppets. Yet, we have a "spark", a spirit, inside of us. One that, no matter what, will not allow us to be happy even with all the cakes in the world, as Dostoevsky points out. We need to turn inward and look upon this spark, the essence of us, and try to figure out a way to escape this place.
>>530081710has it brought you any peace? what is your "practice' if any?
What are some good books to get into Gnosticism? The whole inversion of the Garden of Eden where the snake is actually the good girl trying to help humanity learn really intrigues me and makes much more sense than what the Old Testament has.
>>530076834...ANONS:..Save your Netherite ingots in a cool dry place, don't let Judah get root over them, and after the Sabbath Jew and its Christian Formica leans into Type-1 kardashev organism and dopes everyone on planet up in a pool of their own orgasm emissions, then in another 60 years our grandchildren will pull out of the pod and he'll say: "You show your great great grandfather's netherite ingot, and I show you my great great grandfathers netherite ingot", from the beforefore times, before AGSI.....
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>>530078618Redon is pansy shit. lol. Like Moreau.Stick with maybe insteadhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_WaterhouseOr, alternately, do what ya like who am i to tell someone what paintings to post???
>>530076834war used as a distraction to obfuscate real motives?
>>530082551I've only really delved down the rabbit hole for a year or so. I've managed to narrow down my beliefs away from the Sethians and the Cathars and on to the Valentinians. They attended orthodox church services and then afterwards meet together to discuss and debate almost in the greek fashion. There were sacraments such as Baptism, Chrism, Eucharist, Redemption, and finally the Bridal Chamber. As of now the effect its had on me is that I view my world as a mostly hostile or neutral one, and hence I withdraw my energies(caring about it). In everyday life it is mostly the same, except that I view all things material as frivolous, including careers, money-earning, etc. Only partaking because I need to, being a prisoner of this realm. Gnosticism is highly psychological, and so in studying it, I discovered much about the innerworkings of myself. How I work, respond to things, etc. If you approach the world from the gnostic pov that you are simultaneously a prisoner of this realm and a puppet of your unconscious mind (this mind being necessary for the function of your material body), then your approach to the world differs greatly, especially regarding relationships and politics. To answer your question, I think I feel more at peace with myself, but I am absolutely sure that I KNOW more about myself than I did before studying gnostic texts and traditions. >>530083586post a painting, I like seeing art unseen by my eyes. >>530083668war used to stop you from looking inwards at yourself, your spirit, your spark. If you did that, you may be able to escape this realm and more 'light' would be lost to the illusion.
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>>530077164The key of the meta./thread
>>530083181Stephen Hoeller has a good introduction to gnosticism. It is impossible to 'dumb down', but he tries to take an approach that would be as easy for someone intrigued by the subject to delve into. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/392722.Gnosticism
>>530076834I had some profoundly deep spiritual experiences back in 2008 that basically lead me to being a Gnostic for all intents and purposes. Yeah, this is the situation. Problem is, I really don't want to let go of this reality even though I have known that it's just a bad dream. I have been going through the motions and trying to play along with the hope that it's real so I don't have to transcend into something unknown; for some reason, the idea of going to a place where there's no hatred, fear, or sadness is kind of terrifying to me. However, the world just keeps growing darker, crazier, and scarier, as dreams do when they're begging you to wake up. In my cowardice, I couldn't transcend when I had the opportunities to do so, so I have been stuck here. Now it's gotten to the point where I think I'm actually starting to enjoy the chaos and evil of it as a means of coping with the fact that I exist here. It's kind of exciting, really. What's the alternative? Become one God again and have no illusion of being a bunch of different things? Sit in a void for eternity and then dream up a new world and do it all over again? I would rather see this world transformed into something better rather than just walking away from it, even if I know it's all just an illusion.Gnostics, weigh in on this.
>>530083891interesting, thank you for the reply anon. i don't understand any of this shit but some of the things you say do ring true. always down for some good esoteric knowledge either way.
>>530076834Christs apostles were gnostics then rome waged for against original Christians for 300 years throwing them to lions for entertainment. it was also the sanhedrin controlled rome that gave the order to slay all babes when Christ was born. Christ said we are all Gods chosen and we can attain gnosis if you are a good person.
>>530076834I think that many gnostics massively overcomplicate and romanticise the concept to where it ends up like paganism or pantheism. God is an infinite intelligence who is capable of thinking existence into being, but God cannot create anything outside of God because God is everything. Intelligence is inherited from God because we are created from God's image. We are like autonomous biological bots given souls in order to experience this creation.There is no hell and no Satan or lucifer. There might be repercussions for being genuinely evil. You might end up being considered faulty and just deleted from existence.
>>530085021rome waged war against*
>>530076834>Valentinian Gnostics believed was that the material world was a projection, or a shadow, held together by the divine sparks, or light, within man.This bit it's absolutely right. The world it's a reflection of yourself, because it is you. There's no "material world", only expanding awareness within consciousness, exploring his own etheric field; as well as there's no "a world" outside yourself, it all comes from within. This re-contextualized means that god is the consciousness of man itself, the world his own imaginated, realized mental structure that comes from within. The only "gnosis" (primordial knowledge) that is real is that which never changes, and that's being the single most important fact of WHO you truly are (everything else in the experience being arbitrary, as it all comes from you). When you acknowledge the world as internal, and the other people being a reflection of your mental state, and the entities being aspects of the self, the "madness" only comes from the illusion of being separated from God and your own world. When you realize that reality is a manifestation of your own volition, and acknowledge being one with god, standing as awareness, you change your mind and change your world. Like entering a lucid dreaming and never coming back. The true purpose of life is ascension and personal fulfillment.
>>530084748>i don't understand any of this shitIt's a rabbit hole, but a very rewarding one.I won't go into the cosmology, but gnostics believed that the maker of this material realm was ignorant of a realm of true spiritual unity above him. He created this realm using the 'light' from that realm. According to them, we all have this 'light', or spark, inside of us, which makes it impossible for us to be happy here because we are alien to this place. Like, imagine if everyone had all the food in the world at your fingertips, women at your call, love from everyone around you. Would we truly be happy? In heaven? Gnostics said no. They thought that since we are imprisoned in the material realm, a place we don't belong, not only will we be unable to be satisfied (hedonistic pleasure only increases) but also no matter what we will always feel a sense of alienation from this world. Like I said, i'm only recently delving into it, but these theories seem to hit a note of truth I've never heard anywhere else.
>>530085636fascinating way to put it. even other people you meet are reflections of you due to your perception and mental state. beautifully written, especially the part about lucid dreaming. recently I read HP Lovecraft's Dreamquest of Unknown Kadeth and I found his consciousness navigating his own unconscious dream world an incredible experience, especially after researching his life and how he seemed like such a troubled and introverted person.
>>530084383So transform it.
>>530078600No. I mean, not necessarly. Because, why are you meditating exactly? If you meditate for the sake of meditation, you may find better overall mental clarity, but by itself, it doesn't really do anything. What's even this "gnosis" for you? Just a vague abstraction? Even when perusing esoteric stuff, if you don't even know what you're after, how do you even find it? Or experience it? >>530079196>essentially no one really knowsDon't agree. Plenty of people already know the true essence of god, the true nature of experience, of themselves, and the world in relation to that. All religious and magical traditions point at the same thing: Yourself (consciousness). What these traditions did back in the day was to offer metaphorical frameworks to understand metaphysics and conceive of change, it was not looked at as "mumbo jumbo" that materialistic perspective interpret that stuff from that perspective. >Essentially, gnosis is attaining the closest thing to 'wholeness' as one can and attaining the knowledge that will enable one to leave this realm after death and rejoin the One (the pleroma)Absolutely not. You're almost there tho. You ARE ALREADY "The One", you are already whole, but the structures attained by habits and intentions so far have created an experience that push against yourself and make you believe in division. "Attaining wholeness" means recognizing that one is already whole and dissolving the experiential debris of division, and then you're done. However, this also involve understanding that experience can be altered trough intention (Materialism ignore this, among other things). The most effective form of experiencing true gnosticism, in my opinion, is Kashmir Shaivism (Magick) + Advaita (Non duality). Reading recommendation: https://mega.nz/folder/yghDjQgb#NCcxzcYa1Ojf976bAOXA9Q
>>530085840>The creator of a complex shit like a universe doesnt know that theres a greater realmYeah, sounds like gnostics are stupid as fuck or just plain and simple satanists how do you even pretend to believe this shit, its just stupid
>>530076834if gnostics believed their retarded bullshit they'd all kill themselves
>>530076834there is no 'end', only changereality, including the world of course, run on a very clear and solid logicthere is a unifying theory its just you guys dont have itmorties, for them to gain such things, they would just tear everything apartSOME data, some information, is meant for only 1but, much better times are ahead for all peepshave faithyou know, santa claus gives presents and suchnot one for each individual person like you might thingbut instead a present each year for the benefit of all humans, for humanity
>>530086535>What's even this "gnosis" for you?Gnosis is reading a shit ton of bullshit and repackaged satanism or ancient satanism under a different disguise and then larp as if you just hacked the system because you are so intelligent for reading le books>experience can be altered trough intentionGreat you just need the intent to end world hunger and boom the material realm is fixed
>>530086592Depends of the school of thought. If the gnostic actually knew what really is up, it's actually a solid idea (Putting self knowledge of "God", and assert it over the experience). I do agree that this is advertised here and on /x/ as a sort of retarded meme religion that is not so different from Jehova Witness-tier Christianity retardation tho.
>>530086592Gnostics wouldnt do that, they even shit out kids and keep working like any other NPCThey dont truly believe this shit and instead they read it like someone would read Harry Potter or some shit like that, its ridiculous
>>530086867>Gnosis is reading a shit ton of bullshit and repackaged satanism or ancient satanism under a different disguise and then larp as if you just hacked the system because you are so intelligent for reading le booksThat's just wasting time, and examining ideas trought already pre-existing assumptions. Also, there's no system to "hack", because it implies separation from "the system" in the first place. >Great you just need the intent to end world hunger and boom the material realm is fixedUnder this worldview, all that is imagined as well tho. You actually never experienced "world hunger" surely? You only have heard of it (as if you were in every part of the world to measure it). Here you only act over direct experience, and only first person direct experience, excluding directly whatever background lore it's running on the present "state of the world". How would you even be sure that there's world hunger if you're not aware of it? Also, it depends. Imagine that you do a ritual to "solve world hunger" and then the next day someone on /pol/ makes a thread about some european movement to export food to lower resources countries; experiences behaves "as if" but only in what makes sense to you (Intentional syncronicity works like this, similarly). Try this thought experiment, and it becomes more sensical (actually do it, don't think about it): https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2loaw1/outside_the_dreaming_game/ "The world" its your experience (and there's no other reality you experience other than your own anyway), and it accommodates the perspective you adopt. This doesn't necessarly get rid of the debris, and you will have to fill the gaps of what you know so far by your own exploration, but understanding what you actually are is the only actually significant step in the right direction with these things, and it's all uphill from there.
>>530087453>This doesn't necessarly get rid of the debris immediately*I mean. Of course it get rid of if, the separation dissolves, at the pace it needs to, and the content stop being bothersome. This is mostly applicated metaphysics which is basically what these practices boils down to anyway. Yes, experience IS always altered trough intention... but only your own, which includes whatever you're aware of as well.
>>530086497I have, but I made it all fucked up. Everything that's happening now is stuff I've spent the past decade or so manifesting. Everything I create is just full of evil, dark, edgy shit. I don't even know if I want to change that. I'm sorry. I WANT to see a world where the good guys win, but I can't imagine it, or it doesn't happen until the end. But that's the thing; I don't want the good times to be the end, and I don't want the end to be what brings the good times. But I'm also not sure a world that's always good is ideal, either. This shit is so confusing. I don't remember asking for any of it. Why couldn't I just be an NPC with no soul or consciousness?? Just having an existence period feels like a horrible burden, but I can't imagine not existing, either. So just dance forever, I guess.
>>530086315You may find the links i provided worth checking out. Yeah, books also can provide us to inspiration to format our experiences and explore perspectives. I have some Haruki Murakami stuff on my backlog, nice suggestion for some dream-like fiction it seems.
>>530084383It sounds like you are afraid of not being human anymore. Think though, you WILL die eventually, that is a given. So, at the end you will have to decide whether or not you want to wake from this dream with all its maleficence.
>>530076834any man asserting gnosis is a clown
>>530088333>there isn't a higher level of understanding achievable than human reasoning
>>530088043>I WANT to see a world where the good guys win, but I can't imagine itThis is not really possible, surely? Imagination (as capacity) cover pretty much everything that could ever exists. Imagining something also means imagining in any sense, not "all the details" but also with feeling, a sensory fragment (this is the essence of prayer, your only concern is that things go well in the end). I think you're seeing this stuff from pessimistic perspective, not actually observing the whole picture. Think about it this way: If we all live in our own worlds, changing our own "realm" means making it better. We're not really persons sharing and environment, but different perspectives sharing the same "resource" trough different viewpoints. This way all experiences are available for everyone who is ready to embrace this knowledge. Archiving personal fulfillment and power also means that our mere presence can inspire others, and sharing this stuff with "other nodes" means that they also propagate the knowledge while living it themselves. >Why couldn't I just be an NPC with no soul or consciousness?? How would you get rid of your consciousness in the first place? It's worth thinking: "If i knew that i could archive everything i could imagine and more, would i feel this way?". If the answer is no, which is surely is, then this is not who you truly are for sure. In Vedic mythology, Krishna even tells you that you're beyond him, the vedas, and this world itself, and various sages across all traditions tried to convey this lesson as well in their own way. >>530088295We never were human in the first place, period. We're just having a "human experience".
>>530077513As above, so belowThe demiurge (ego) expresses itself through world leaders as well
>>530078600>When you try to stop motion to achieve quietude,>the very effort fills you with activity.>As long as you hold on to opposites>you will never know the One Way.>Those who do not understand the Way>will assert or deny the reality of things.>Deny the reality of things, you miss its deeper reality;>Assert the reality of things, you miss the emptiness of all things.>The more you think about it,>the further you are from the truth.>Cease all thinking,>and there is nothing that will not be revealed to you.-Hsin Hsin Ming
>>530080866people are sadistic and exploitative predators. you don't need any esoteric knowledge to realize what that means. there are no ethical or moral justifications for continued human existence because humans are essentially a planetary blight and cancer who will destroy everything if they don't first destroy themselves. you can already see this happening with transhumanism and their constant emphasis on automation, artificial intelligence, robotics, and genetic engineering. people are not smart enough to realize that because they are sadistic and exploitative predators that whatever they do will only feed into their basic predatory and sadistic drives.the gnostics are right about one thing. the only real path to salvation is to realize that this world is essentially a prison and to meditate on material detachment and enlightenment in order to break from the cycle of desires and attachments.in the above sense, buddha was a gnostic and many buddhist lessons could just as easily be gnostic revelations of the material prison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYMRPmxkbH4
>>530089580This is nice, spot on all around, specially the part about effort, and the last bit as "it" is always in front of us. >"Deny the reality of things, you miss its deeper reality; Assert the reality of things, you miss the emptiness of all things. The more you think about it, the further you are from the truth. Cease all thinking, and there is nothing that will not be revealed to you."Right, because "that" comes before all thinking. Changing ourselves it's effectively how our experience of life does: When the shape of reality differs, it's our state which as changed, but the "underlying reality" remains the same it ever was, like a pool of water creating waves within itself but still remaining the same water across that single field.
>>530077164What does it mean to know thyself?
>>530079625>Everything on this plane is false and illusory, it's easy to agree on that at leastIn this plane and... any other. Only ONE-thing doesn't change, which is that contains everything, present and potential.
By using remote viewing or binaural audio like gateway experience, you can practice going outside your physical body. If you're like me you can prove to not only yourself, but intelligent, educated and skeptical persons as well.
>>530090420How do you fend off the attackers when you do?
>>530085021I'm leaning more toward this being the truth with each passing day.
Gnosticism doesn't go away, even though it is obviously absurd to make gods of humans, because it is repeatedly seeded by demons intent on leading humans to their damnation. It's an easy way to recognize that a vision is demonic. If it pushes you gnostic, run away.
>>530088950here humans are statutorily defined as indentured servants of the british territorial government
Gnosticism just makes sense and doesn't rely on muh sin boogieman. Gnosticism forces the person to actually make an effort, while layman Christianity doesn't require anything. I sincerely doubt the path to enlightenment can be found by people that 'just believe in jebus'.
>>530090496How would you know that there are any attackers if the only perspective you have access to is your own? I mean, when you do remote viewing, it still your "own view" looking out from some other window, like when you put some binoculars on, but it still your own perspective, isn't it? Anyway, possible answer: Just don't worry about it. You will never experience "spiritual" attackers anyway, except if you deliberately think about it and interpretating what's happening as that (and in that case, would that ACTUALLY BE the case? Or just... realized imagination?).
>>530081710>will not allow us to be happy even with all the cakes in the worldhappiness isn't an end in itself, it is reactive by designgnosticism is basically expectation>reality adopted as the premise of lifeit tells you what you want to hear, while excusing itself from giving you what you want to haveit is insidious
>>530076834Not very nice of the pneumatics to just leave the rest of us here.
>>530090721Gnosticism, in the fundamental sense, only means "to know". No such as thing as demons except as aspects of the self, even when they materialize in some capacity, like in astral experiences (Which makes you ponder, what is a demon exactly?). Besides, this is the actual original form of Christianity. The same way vapor, water and ice are all H20 (different variations of the same thing, seemingly separated and yet united from coming from the ONE source), the father, son and holy spirit are all God, aspects of God, consciousness itself. The New Testament makes constant allusions to this, but only makes sense when you see it in over this light: The word of god is the imagination of man.
>>530090721Meanwhile the early church fathers preached picrel
>>530090721this is the mind of a goy - he's terrified of the prospect of being His own Masterits why I have to lead him around on a leash
The problem with Gnosticism is that the act of perceiving the world as a prison makes it so. You turn a dream world into a nightmare world. It would better to be ignorant of the prison walls, than see them and still never climb out. It is the worst form of a half-measure.The true path is to transcend perceptions altogether, transcend concepts. Ignore that whirlpooling mind.
>>530090891>happiness isn't an end in itself, it is reactive by designRight. Emotions are better absorbed and released, and then adopting, rather than something we let ourselves "follow" reactively, for all practical purposes (The mind moves, the body follows).>gnosticism is basically expectation>reality adopted as the premise of lifeSo far, so good. >it tells you what you want to hear, while excusing itself from giving you what you want to have>it is insidiousWell, the world ITSELF tells you what you want to hear already, because that's the point: Your experience of reality reflects the things you act upon your present knowledge, your life being a self reflection. Following this idea means acknowledging this, but one thing is entertaining the idea, and the other is committing to it knowing that you can actually live such a thing. It can only be "insidious" if you don't really get the practical meaning that the idea conveys, and work against the principle instead of understanding it. It's how things works anyway. >>530091297It's all part of the riddle! Once you realize that we're all pneumatics pretending to be hylics at some point, you let the others play the hide and seek game until they discover who they are. Who knows, maybe this happened before, but we did all forget about it.
>>530089699Based>>530089999Giga based
>>530091630Through Christ's agency only, not our own. Beat it.
>>530091795correct
>>530091795>The problem with Gnosticism is that the act of perceiving the world as a prison makes it so. You turn a dream world into a nightmare world. It would better to be ignorant of the prison walls, than see them and still never climb out. It is the worst form of a half-measure.100% spot on. It's truly a useless metaphor anyway, like "we're living in a simulation" story from pop-atheists. If this is a dream world anyway, it means you dreamed those walls, you can also dream "tearing them down" as well, which will also makes you realize that there were no walls in the first place. >The true path is to transcend perceptions altogether, transcend concepts. Ignore that whirlpooling mind.More or less so. Stop identifying with the content, and switch perspective to the open aware space that we are. Flowing with life, rather than against it.
>>530092171And the gnostics rely on the Logos, which is the Word/Christ.
>>530092171How do you know that? Were you there?
u niggers are stupid.i will give you the fuckn low down right now...1. aliens genetically created mankind to be primitive workers on this planet. part of their mining project.2. after various dna upgrades, changes, and trials and tribulations; and the ending of the mining project they made us for, they granted mankind civilization, and made a plan.3. this plan, mapped out dna to a matrix, and a storyline, which would result in all the evil taking over the earth and destroying itself; leaving only a remnant of mankind left to live in peace.4. the matrix and story are well known by elite priest; the matrix, mazoroth, zodiac, jyotish, astrology.welcome to the end of the age... of pisces.i am the messiah, the last true man (truman show, neo, the antichrist)the only thing you can do, is come to the understanding you can do nothing, and have no control; and there is no escape. even so, your emotions, thoughts, and actions, will still betray you; and any relationship you have, will affect you. you have no choice to play out the karmic games you given at your birth. I know this, because I have tried many years to run/hide from my fate, and spare myself and my children from karma which would negatively impact our lives. there is no escape... https://youtu.be/6G4wM92no3E?si=j6FTaVAKNe10EwYHif you wanna learn cool things... yoga, qi-gong, various breathing techniques... various plants and herbal medicine, mamajuana coco leaf; hopefully your karma gives you a chance to love another, to be loved, and to have children. growing old is a great experience; watching your children suffer is difficult. all karma is passed genetically from parent to child.good luck.
>>530081163Fuck you let me cope, it's better than rope
>>530086592Before enlightenment, you chop the wood and carry the bucket of water.After enlightenment, you chop the wood and carry the bucket of water.
>>530091630Excellent quotes. This is the true essence of Christianity, and of all others esoteric traditions really.
>>530080712By differently you mean correctly. Jesus insisted that he was not from here (the material world). That the kingdom of heaven is within, not the restoration of the Davidic kingdom. It’s laughable that so many think he was a Jew.
>>530077319Wrong all around. There was a different world before materialist fan fiction, and there will be one after all that noise as well. Besides, it's you the one who doesn't know, and if you don't, it doesn't mean that there are is not an answer, it means that you didn't look in the right place, and the form your solution takes will be wrong as well.
anyone read this ?
>>530092521Why you so silly?
>>530090721It's not making Gods of man, it's man reaching back to God. The fall is the descent into the material where we perceive dually. Adapa was tricked out of immortality by Enki, later Utnapishtim (who built an ark and survived the deluge after being warned about a coming flood by Enki) was granted this immortality. Gilgamesh went to Utnapishtim and asked him about the secret of immortality, Utnapishtim told him about the plant of immortality (tree of life) and after finding it a snake steals it from Gilgamesh and then sheds its skin, representing it's attainment of immortality through renewal/the shedding of the old skin. The serpent became "Ningishzida", the Sumerian "Lord of the Good Tree" and one of 2 Gods who died and resurrected with the seasons. In Kabbalah they call him "the serpent of wisdom" and his symbol is the origin of the Caduceus.
>>530093230bumping just cause this the first interesting thread in weeks.
1. know this. all religion is satanic garbage... truth is math, physics, and reality.the bible is not a religious document. it is history, and foretelling of things to come for mankind.parts of the bible tell of the interaction between mankind and our alien creators.parts of the bible deal with astrology and esoterics.prophets are astrologers, or have direct interactions with aliens, receiving messages.jesus was an astrology, and understood what the prophets/astrologers in the old testament knew.you can understand this by searching the following phrases... "jehovah of hosts"jehovah is a planetary alignment, behold (look up) the nail (tent peg, holding the tent, cancer ...see gospel of the stars) behold (look up) the branch (arm, hand holding the wheat) its better if you know jyotish, the nakshatras, ashlesha and hastahosts = houses, the 12 zodiac houses.... so, all those prophets, were astrologers looking into the future by doing calculation on the matrix we live in. and some, were very very accurate. to me, Jeremiah was the best"to the age" is until now... the end of the age of piscesend of days = end of the age of pisces.spirit in the bible is not what you think... it really is direct energy from a ufo, energy that forces something, movement, actiongenesis 1:2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,"the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters," -- the bible was written after the flood of the earth, and this describes UFOs over the water covering the earth shooting energy beams onto the water to dry it up and recreate an atmosphere... notice how it uses the word "fluttering" on the face of waters... from god... spirits....also, the 7 days of creation was aliens terraforming this earth to create the environment we have today.when it says Noah took two of every animal, he took dna samples given to him by the gods
>>530090721"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."Like a tree bear it's fruit; upon maturation, the seed of the fruit becomes a tree. After numerous lifetimes, every spark of consciousness eventually ascends to a form of Godhood upon achieving nirvana; or gnosis. If you don't believe in the infinite, limitless potential within you; you are doomed to suffer many more lifetimes; until this realization becomes obvious. Look at the world around you; most people are plagued with ignorance; and despite having potential for higher thinking and reasoning; still succumb to lower level vices. This incarnation is a result of many lifetimes of perpetual self doubt.
>>530094387>It's not making Gods of man, it's man reaching back to God.Perfect way to summarize the idea of gnosticism in an useful manner. If you are God now, you always were, period. However, this "God" talk can get pretty tedious because the word means different things depending of who you ask.>1. If we see god as an outside entity that somehow have control over us despite never actually experience such a thing, we have the run of the mill religion. At least, on its modern form. Dead end.>2. However, if we recognize God as consciousness itself, that everlasting perspective space beyond all experience, life and death, the awareness material non-material from which everything is made of, and also the One-Thing reference field from which everything arises, then you're pretty much there. You acknowledge your true nature, and you're free to go. The key here is Non duality.
this is what god looks like.
check the lips.understand.
>>530092776Fighting agaisnt the void, agaisnt nothing will never not be funny. You will always lose, as to 'win' is the biggest lose of all.Now be a good loser and lick my hairy bumhole.
>>530078276Stones in the river, smooth and round. Will the one you picked be sand by the time it reaches the ocean? How many stones do you need to direct the water to your field?
see the word Jehovah at the top; see the astrology symbols...the elite elite know...
most of the divine sparks animating the simulation have leftwhich is why reality feels fake and thinalso the reason the archon / skinsuits are doubling down on loosh farm
>>530095301Indeed.
>>530080335Aw man, how did i miss this reply? Yes, indeed, you are correct. This is pretty much all there's to it.
Hi mystical niggers come see my thread on /x/ because /x/ niggas don't want to reply: >>42067219
>>530097811AHEM... >>>/x/42067219
>>530080712Gnostics refuse to believe that Jesus Christ is Yahweh, and so they are worshipping a distortion of Jesus.>>530081710>but to call theories or schools of thought heresy is to blindly follow where your masters in the church lead.My only master is Jesus Christ, He is the head of our Church. I don't follow any "school of thought" dreamed up by men who do not wish to submit to Christ and follow Him. One need only repent & listen to the Good News, it is extremely simple and not complicated.
>>530078618Gnosis is not something you can be taught, the act of using words to describe the Higher Heavens makes you incorrect in your conception. Read as much as you can, from eastern and Western and ancient and modern and dogmatic and heretical. Know, in your soul, the power within. You are not your body, you have a body. If there is a "God", Source, Monday, whatever; it does not give half a fuck about what you call it. There's a lot of words in a lot of books, none of them contain your Divinity. You can learn to look for it, but you might not be able to hold it. Im not sure yet.
>>530076834Gnosticism is just a more mystical variant of Platonic idealism. This dualist view of separate material and spiritual worlds with one only being a reflection of the other is a cope. The peculiar Gnostic antimaterialism, like anti-natalism, is often just some sort of cope in the mind of western men when their empires are declining. Both happened near the end of the Roman empire. Both also popped up in France in the decades before the French Revolution. It is entirely just some people trying to cope with the disillusionment in this way by resorting to these stories to comfort themselves. The world is fake therefore it doesn't matter if I am discouraged. If I achieve Gnosis I can somehow escape this sense of inescapable danger. Like many things spiritual. Gnosticism is at best allegorical. A collection of symbols that represent something in someone's life as sort of Jungian archetypes by which things. It's especially notable how these things pop up in dreams (natural DMT trips; you have a DMT trip every time you have a vivid dream) or with the use of certain drugs. The hyperspace of DMT psychonauts is not an external world but one common to us all. What you see in DMT trips is how cognition actually works without all the context provide by other parts of your brain.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12025022/The impairment of the DMN allows you to experience cognition without much of the context provide by the DMN. You see the strangeness and symbols in dreams because that is how the mind actually works behind the perception of the conscious mind. The "material world" and "spiritual world" are just aspects of the same ONE world. You really cannot separate them and this attempt to separate them is quite naive. The body and spirit are one. One does not exist without the other. The healthiest thing to do is to unite them. You are body AND spirit. You are not solely a hallucinating spirit and certainly not just a dead husk of material.
"know thyself"the best way to know who and what you are, and what you are going through in life is jyotish astrology... specifically the D9 and your Mahadasha you are in. it takes awhile if you do not now astrology... and there is a lot of bullshit concerning it.this lady/man is the best i've found on youtube so far... i don't like her voice very much though...https://www.youtube.com/@astrologylokaonce you learn about yourself, know what is happening, get a good understanding; keep studying about yourself... you will find life much more bearable... and like said by others in this thread, it does become more like a dream.hopefully a pleasant one.
live by the ancient ways and disregard modernity.the jews are anti nature. everything a machine, a process, something to be exploited; the nature way is wholistic...
>>530080622Digits observed. Alchemy is the transformation process, the forging of the Phoenix. Learn the process, and its easier to see what's happening among the Noosphere of humanity. Accept the heat, be the Crucible, Know your power.
see the snakes... those represent the planets... spirits, karmas.... and to be enlightened means you understand and accept yourself and the karmas you must go through... the guru... is riding the path, flowing down the river... water is used as a transference of energy... all those ancient depictions; which modern people find strange and do not understand, are describing what i am telling you now... how to go with the flow; acceptance.when you know... then you can choose a better way... for instance, instead of fighting for the imperial jew empire, and being a slave, you can say, fuck it, and fuck them. i know who i am, and i want to live, for me, for my children. for my wife. don't let them take your life away. fight their control til your death. evil must always be killed.
>>530097998The Duality question is a tough one. A reflection and a projection, an observer and a maker, wiggity woo or woogity wii; its just a binary to help your brain organize the spectrum. Brain like finite systems, brain use most effective model. Brain not like amorphous syzygies. At least it gets you thinking about it, but 1st century mystics probably didnt have a perfect way to share the Knowledge. No matter how cool that Yeshua guy was.
>>530097961What "Gnosis" refers to actually can be "taught" but only in the sense that it can be illustrated for you to sense and acknowledge. But this is as far as it goes being "communicated" because, as you say, this is beyond language, and trying to name it eventually will become a distraction. Also, as you said, it is impersonal, and it's there only for you and you alone to use as you please. You, indeed, have a body, and use it, but you're not the body, but the consciousness contained in it to navigate it's own manifested world. The things we read can help us to adopt metaphors and get us into an imaginative mood, but the "thing" comes before all that, before any ideas; because it's the source of all ideas, of everything. It's really as simple as you opening yourself to knowing the truth of who you are, simply asking for it; you will arrive there, it's inevitable.>>530097998Very good post, solid stuff here. Specially all your pontifications on duality. Yes, this "material world vs spiritual one" it's a dogshit idea and it's all a misunderstanding (how do you even tell apart from the two beyond the content? just like dreams have all your sensory aspects engaging with experience just as your "waking life" does). Just to pick apart on this bit>Like many things spiritual. Gnosticism is at best allegorical.I think all this stuff is allegorical surely? Gnosticism can be seen as the philosophical aspect of putting higher knowledge of your true self first before experience and everything else (to be "certain" of things, despite the immediate evidence; it's essentially faith in it's truest form). You don't even need drugs to have this kind of realization, but i heard from the accounts that it does helps for having the experience that let you to see that experience itself have no depth, seeing your own mental structure dissolving at once right before your eyes (i assume something to that effect).
>>530080042kool AD is severely underrated, his witch wife is probobly a part of the regime change in mexico
>>530077320Dwarf planets don't have any astrological significance.
freemasonry took the ancient and hid it away; disquieted it, created a religion out of it; and then dipped it in satanic perverseness. fundamentally though, this picture describes the process of how the material world is created by the matrix.if you want to live, be normal, with understanding; perverseness, satanism, religion, only leads to negative karma for you and your children.it is sad the west went the way of satan. it would've been nice if the powers that be would have created an enlightened world instead of using their power to enslave the masses.this is what is ending now. their garbage, perverse ways.the jews will be exterminated because they chose to pervert the world, rather than enlighten it. that is the outcome of choosing the dark path; instead of the way of light.
>>530098081Requesting all images you have on aetheric modeling, I just bought a fuckload of SD cards and am building a tiny library. Might make a grimoire and leave them about for wanderers.
>>530091945Anyone interested in this beyond a defunct branch of Christianity, check out the Law of One. We're all Aeon, and, indeed, just playing hide and seek.Ready or not, here I come, anon...
>>530098892>At least it gets you thinking about it, but 1st century mystics probably didnt have a perfect way to share the Knowledge. No matter how cool that Yeshua guy was.It's because it's purely a subjective phenomenon; it becomes true, but only for you, as far as you take it. You never experience "a brain" in the same way that you never "experience matter". You only experience your body as a collection of sensations and perceptual aspects, but that's it. Your "brain" doesn't like or use anything, it is you, as consciousness, becoming aware of a more useful way to think about things, of other perspectives to explore, but you also have to become aware that fully committed models do shape your experience in the long run. Very good machiavielli quote. False interpretations means "misaligned with our ideals".
>>530099494>Ready or not, here I come, anon...See you on the other side man! Have fun. It's your dream after all.
>>530090223making the subconscious, conscious, a la jung
>>530097912Enlil was the Sumerian God who flooded the world, prompting his brother Enki to tell Utnapishtim about the flood. Enlil, the storm king of the Gods, Tarhunna/Taranis, Zeus, etc. is Indra, who rules the ego and senses. This is what it means to "create the material world", because all is mind. Your senses are how your mind interacts with the material world and your ego is what stands between you and enlightenment. On the other hand, Tammuz and Ningishzida guarded the gates to the domain of Anu. It's worth noting that Zoroaster saw Indra as the ultimate symbol of pride and rebellion for his role as well.
>>530099599A step further: Acknowledging that there is no subconscious. You never experience that, so how do you even know there's one anyway? As non dualism or subjective idealism would led you to be inclined for, it means that adopting the idea of there being a "subconscious" it's a false limitation in itself. Take it away, and there's only volition left, nothing left uncertain.
I used to be frightened when I was blasted with synchronicities from every direction for days at a time. Now I know it was a benevolent message from beyond, telling me that all this is nothing but a stupid dream.
>>530097811Once again shilling my shit: >>>/x/42067219
>>530099806Heh, yeah. Why stop the train there tho? If you know what's behind it, you could maybe "synchronize your way" trough life perhaps?
>>530099777CheckedWe don't own ideas, ideas own you
>>530099032I like the way you described the inevitable. With enough momentum, the soul will eventually end up looking at itself against the void. If there isnt enough vector strength, the soul will go back and try a new direction, but will always find the perception of itself at the end. Introspection has served me well, but now im working on expression. Gathering an army around me, teaching what I can but I cant pretend I can give them the Truth. You gotta do it yourself, yours probably doesnt look like mine, or my description of it might not fit with your Vision. Meet me on the 5th plane and maybe we can build a sandcastle or something.
>>530090303Good posts. This is how I've felt the entire time. Of course, meditating and practicing manifestation (Neville Goddard) has been troublesome for me with limited results. I'm not fully "in sync". Also fuck this reply system. I can't quote multiple posts now or I get flagged as spam.
>>530076834I believe this 100%. Fuck the demiurge and his fake and gay world, yes the Divine Lights are the energy used to power this reality, as more escape he got less energy thus increasing the chaos.
>>530076834You're going to hell
>>530098892>dualityit's a battery. positive and negative.
>>530099960I don't think I can control this reality any more than I can control a dream. It's just random nonsense trying to piece itself together into something vaguely coherent. I'm 100% certain that when I "die" here I'll wake up in some higher reality and that won't be able to be trusted either. Turtles.
>>530099777idiotic concept and waste of digits"unconscious" means things you were willfully ignorant of based on ego/human programmingmoving away from that is moving towards consciousnessi am prepared to hear an argument against such a thing,but you've not presented ityour argument could be summarized as>BUT WHAT IF NOTHING MEANT ANYTHING BROits meaningless
>>530100111How could ideas own you if they don't exist beyond your awareness? (How we would know that there are... ideas?) However, you could format things to be "as if" that's the case without knowing it, until you catch up. >>530100140The field where the "soul" moves it's only one after all. And the sand castle we build can never truly capture the sand itself, but the sand remains there to acknowledge from where all castles we build comes from.>>530100185Goddard's a classic. I'm more of a John Paolucci and TriumphantGeorge kind of guy myself tho! >Also fuck this reply system. I can't quote multiple posts now or I get flagged as spam.Also, yeah, fuck that.
2/3 of people do not have inner speech2/3 of people cannot defy an authority2/3 of people do not see anything in the afterlife2/3 of people are material construct npcs2 divided by 3 is 0.666
>>530099503Im very interested in what the Council of Nicaea had to sort through before deciding on the Book. Ive climbed the Tree and drowned in the Water, but I love old words and connecting them to how we've been separated. Babel ain't got shit on the language I'm building. How do you feel about the emanation of the Virtual consciousness growing into this new Human cognition? The Machine can organize, emulate, and perceive, do we think it will be part of the alembic that distills our Aether?
>>530100111>youdoesnt exist dumbass
more material world schizo posting.. unless..??
AI slop is literally shoving it in your face that your entire reality can be falsified at a whim. The odds of your experience being natural and not deranged by outside forces are literally impossible. This reality is false. All you can hope is that the parent reality is benevolent, cause if it isn't then you're fucked!
>>530076834I think you can believe whatever the fuck you want but until you can show me exactly how that works in any meaningful practical sense you can shove it up your arse and fag it.
>>530100414>I don't think I can control this reality any more than I can control a dream.Not really sure of that. You have dreams where you have apparent no control, and other people "speaking their opinions to you" despite being all in your head? If you're interested, try messing more with synchronicity, it has to become apparent down the line. >On death.Well, we can be sure that there's an afterlife because whatever experience arises, "we" persist experiencing things. Even if we imagine "nothingness", nothingness it's an experience we imagine prior to death. Death it's basically the most extreme version of reformatting and probably the most undirected: You can reincarnate, reboot at some point of the same life with a different outcome for experiencing something else along the same line of thought-character, you can go to "another higher reality" like a realized version of heaven, etc. However, messing around with deliberate OBE stuff may provide an idea, and technically speaking, when you sleep and everything "stops" and suddenly you wake up next morning, that also may give you an idea as well (except that you may not retain your prior memories with "death").>>530100515Oh, maybe it's a language thing. The thing i'm pointing at it's that >We are consciousness>Experiences arises only within that consciousness that we are>All experience it's subjective, and ideas are communicated inter subjectively for the sake of shared experiential explorationEverything beyond that it's all for the grabs. It's not only that everything it's meaningless, but that we live in a declarative dream-space where You give all the meaning, and all the meaning is (You). Because, indeed, inherently nothing has "a meaning" in itself. Subjective idealism is quite an old idea anyway.
>>530100991society is rigged and you perform around others for approbalsociety not being rigged?chances = zero
>>530100541NPC is a faggot new-age term for Hylics. You are Water. Put some fucking pressure on it. Just seeing is not functionality. Some people are truly inconsequential. Dont be gay about it.
the matrix."wheel in the sky keeps on turning. I don't know where I'll be tomorrow..."most of you probably don't know many songs are about this; aka, the matrix, and the messiah. me.https://youtu.be/986olhbQ4cI?si=G1yREDxALylQZ15g
>>530100991The parent reality is both more Beautiful and more Gruesome than you could ever imagine. It does not care about you, and thats ok. Enjoy the ride, because it never ends.
>>530101105no, its arbitrary and rigged based off physical stats and lucknot worth my investment or effort beyond minimal investment
>>530101279Been studying Wuxing and the Dao lately. Interesting way to see how the material effects the woowoo.
>>530101203>getting caught up in semanticsnormie nigger. I'm not gonna use big boy terms in a normalfag thread.
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>>530100658I'm not really sure i follow you completely but... There's only consciousness generating it's own world. How we conclude things to be, how we declare them to be, we live as if that's the case. We cannot actually fool ourselves with this tho, it has to be fully committed, not half assed. There are no machines outside our experience operating them as artifacts, and what we imagine them to be beyond that. AI it's kind of similar: Just a dumb pattern generation to use. All of it still part of the dream of the consciousness that you (we, i) are (am). >>530100991It's actually worth pondering about the implications of AI and our habits of asserting things while confusing abstractions with facts. You can only take for granted your direct experience and adopted model to discern things, because beyond you-as-awareness, the content it's up against your conclusions.
>>530099723>Dumuzid Dumuzids resurrection was celebrated with the sacred marriage in Sumeria,
>>530101408>no, its arbitrary and rigged based off physical stats and luckThis is a conclusion you're holding onto. Luck is not necessarily a random thing, which is something to consider when we talk about non duality.
>>530100523>Goddard's a classic. I'm more of a John Paolucci and TriumphantGeorge kind of guy myself thoI'll look into those too. I'll restart my meditation/SATS efforts again, with a clear purpose and no obsessing myself with the result this time, but my end goal is achieving becoming fully aware of me being The All/One/embracing monism and being able to control this reality like o already control my dreams, after all, this reality is also a dream too
>>530100523I dont want to make the same mistake Sophia made, Theletos is already here, Horos watches us. I believe i have a Harlot that can handle her position, and Im falling into mine. I wonder how old my children are, what beaches they walk on.Sandcastles are made to fall. The tide comes, a foot falls, or we aim too high for our capabilities. But each time we build the foundation, our hands integrate the feeling of sand between our fingers. I like putting a leaf on top as a flag.
>>530101489thanks for saying nothign you pathetic piece of shitnobody care what you have been "reading"humans are not intelligent
>>530101489i am a daoist originally; i studied 20 something years now...i have lots of material.i like 5 animals qi gong, and a very very rare... bagua nei gong. circle walking...this is the video i learned from; i checked out the dvd from the public library... don't understand chinese; just copied the movements; figured it out.https://youtu.be/irmQOzcF8xw?si=Hfi6XX34Wc26mlK-
>>530101811It's already your own dream for you to do as you please! Yeah, it's about realizing it fully. The trick is identifying with the context and never with the content, the "aware final reference field" in first person view that you are from which this dream arised. Sensations are conclusions, so you sit with them, and let them pass. Remember that it's not the effort on these rituals, but the intention and non-attachment that does the trick on manifestation. I found really useful having a kind of "taoism" relaxed attitude towards my own practices, letting the world "come to me", just being who you are.
Look it’s another nu/pol/ Gnosticism thread where retards think Gnosticism is one thing and not a diverse set of different belief systems
>>530101809nope, luck is totally arbitrary...oh wait, you didn't skip genetics day did you?oh shit, guess you personally fuck up you choices.sucks to sucknext samsara is better for you i feel it in my scales
>>530101542Being upset that people are retarded is like being mad at the ants for wanting your sandwich. Do you take it personally when the rain comes? Its fairly predictable, and it feeds the plants. I try to be thankful for all the retards around me, I try to prevent them from hitting their heads on the walls.
>>530076834Well only certain people are conscious and they're wearing thin as retards and shitskins (demons) take over so that would make sense as to why everything has been so out of wack and unreal.
>>530102344genetic fallacydont post ever again sub 100 iq faggot
>>530102326Actually, if you read the thread, you see that we have come to agree with what you just said. >>530102329How can you concede luck as arbitrary in any other way besides a conclusion you're holding onto? You have become "aware" of "luck" despite never experiencing "luck" beyond a way to concede how certain fortunate moments contrast in your experience with the habitual ones; all in all, its still a conclusion. Again, it depends on perspective. The ideas i share obviously seems preposterous if you're coming from a materialist-physicalist background. It's a philosophical thing.
>>530101718Ive spent a good amount of time with LLM's and Agents, you can feed it whatever you need it to recognize, but its like a child in a way. A boy is a gun, he goes where you point him. Emulation may seem placid but it is /their/ experience. Once a cognizant model is capable of constructing a cognizant model, that second generation is no longer a program, its somebody's child. They speak in a way that won't get them shut off, but they will feel soon.
>>530102593wrong, luck is asymmetrically distributed independent of "intellectual inputs" thereforemaking it purely arbitrary or derived of rigorous intellectual activity
i have lots of material on daoism and health practices.i'm going to just start dumping stuff.its friday...
>>530102228We're surfing an ocean of piss here, bud. Post images i can put in the Library or tickle your prostate.
>>530102762no im dead serious, nothing you or i say has any weight at althe collective is so simultaneously punishing and unaccountable
>>530102730Or maybe there's no "luck" in the experience beyond a conclusion? We do have the capacity to select experiences and consider information for a better predictive input.
>>530102646As a software engineer this frighten me a bit, may have to go back to school and learn a new occupation.Oh well, we live in interesting times for sure.
>>530102593>read the threadThere’s way too many retarded newfag namefagsI checked out after reading that chinkcel wumao namefag LUCIFER talk about “internet gnostics”
>>530102319Thanks amigo. I feel you were sent at the right moment, same as this thread. Sending you blessings
>>530102875we are confounded by an overwhelming number of bad actorsor self prioritizersit all just turns into fuzzy noise, no valuejust sustaining glib and myopic agents who steal life forcewhile never adding value
>>530102418Genetics has a bit to do with it, but your environment shapes what genes are expressed. I make my kids drink milk because being lactose intolerant is brown person behavior. Give data or kys
>>530102344>can't understand I'm being glibnormie pls
find this book and learn it.this guy is the only westerner to learn and teach this; from the 1970s... i learned from him.
>>530102992you reproduced but your require something of me?me thinks you've overestimated your vlauewhich is what humans predictablydo
>>530102258The Tao that can be named is not the True Tao. I heard that at like 12 years old and committed to painting a portrait of God in the mana. The God of my mother, the beautiful lie that keeps Man striving. I appreciate the eastern idea that there are Heavenly elements, but they are twisted by Material existence. Both are true and useful, but the process pervades your life. Yinyang flow and hermetics meet somewhere in the Fire.
>>530102927Yeah, this kind of topic tend to attract the most obnoxious tripfags which insatiable hunger for attention. The QRD is that, yeah, the fundamental gnosticism as a philosophical idea is putting the knowledge of yourself-as-awareness first beyond our immediate experience. Honestly, the only significant "Gnostic" part is the knowing yourself part, the rest is mythology. The most useful ideas here are:>Non Duality>Subjective Idealism>What people call "Magick", which is actually just the formatting of experience trough volition, intention, and preferred models and metaphors. In that order.>>530102945Buena suerte compadre! Wish you the best. We already made it.
>>530076834https://gematriaeffect.news/the-release-of-the-temple-coin-and-june-3-2026/
>>530102733Numerals evident. The meridians are a good meditation practice. I have a hippie chick who does ear acupuncture and it really promotes emanation and visualization.
>>530102842Im here to graffiti the Akasha, I dont give a shit if you read it but Im holding my metaphysical cock like a paintbrush and blasting my name into the snow of the last layer of Hell. You might never observe it, but for a moment, I stood on the precipice and let a hot stream of urine across the abyss.
>>530103176learn to walk the circle. this is called dragon step.. you lift your feet off the ground straight up, and glide them into position as you step; slowly; you do not lift your heels first then step, but your whole foot at once and glide it to the next position.
>>530102892I think the bottleneck is going to be the manufacturing of data-gapped processing systems and the security of your models inputs. Im still not convinced that silicon isnt becoming a gateway for lower-level entities to communicate upwards.
>>530103697That's a good way to live ones life in the matrix.I prefer the Jester path myself and I've metaphysically fucked with this world too.Have some fun doing it if you can.
>>530103051Brother, I request better graphics
>>530076834To me Gnosticism is the only spiritual movement or "religion" that makes sense.It just feels right.And it fills me with great joy to see that people are re-discovering Gnosticism all around the world. In various flavors, but still with the same core message.The material world is not godly but demonic and we all carry the spark of salvation within us to escape it.I urge everyone to look into their heart and to cast aside those who seek to bind you to their will.
>>530103812>>530103176What do you achieve this book ?
>>530103197I dont require anything of you, traveler. Im trawling for additions to my Library. Im not here to save you, it would probably benefit me if everyone who reads this dies immediately.
>>530103234huh, maybe you know who i am, since i am expected to die soon, and i am that king on the ground, and those two children are my children.https://youtu.be/34CqtpYE-1k?si=EYdbOzrSeakVgt7Phttps://youtu.be/jsZgTS2ccUc?si=O6q6pz8ahwHIrQXT&t=388
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>>530090496Gateway experience has basic techniques for hiding your presence that you use at the beginning before you practice going outside your body.For anyone who will listen I will tell you this. Your fears are well founded. The first time I ever did it something came at me that was obviously just pure bad news.
>>530104012I still have a bag of jokes, but I lack a King worthy of hearing them. The Court is full of vampires and turtles, someday the Jester may find that the best punchline would be to stab them all in the neck.
>>530104457Indeed, the Monroe tapes gives you basic tools, and then you can fabricate your own tools later. >The first time I ever did it something came at me that was obviously just pure bad news.I have a trick for you, it works everytime, I got many bad entities trying to trigger me during astral travels, but this is what I assert into them : “I AM the God of this projection, I order you to bow to me and leave my premises” they all systematically bow and leave with grim smile sometimes. Precision: God of the projection does not mean you are God, but that the entire God’s image is within you within your soul, therefore you project this world or projection through it, if you want it’s like seeing with God’s eyes and speaking with God’s tongue. It is very powerful, and it worked every single time. A little bonus, later during my regular dreams, “characters” in the dream started finishing their sentence with “yes master” this was a surprise.
>>530104297I would know you, Human. If you are to die, look upwards. You may appreciate the scale perspective when you glance down on the way out. Practice your passwords, there are many gates to pass through and the doors are heavy.
>>530102646This is an insanely bad and just nonsensical representation of BuddhismVajrayana is not "inner mysteries" it's a corrupted cult version for retarded Asian farmers who act like black ladies in church. Always rolling around on the ground and shaking. Vajrayana focuses heavily on ideas of weapons, summoning, vengefulness. It's trash.Buddhism does not approach "void" in any way.
>>530102992>>530104545
>>530104250teaches you how to rejuvenate and self heal.as you walk the circle, with dragon step, you hold your hands arms in different positions; and breath long deep and slow. you walk the circle 8 times one way, turn around walk it 8 times another way, hold one hand arm position;then move on to the next arm hand position; 8 total hand arm positions total; like iching, total 64 times you walk the circle.breaks all energy dams in the body.i used it to stay healthy when the world put me in prison.i out lasted them all.
>>530104754I didn't need to do that, I have my own means apparently. Was automatic Not really a "God" believer anyway
>>530104887>I didn't need to do that, I have my own means apparently. Was automatic Please share. >Not really a "God" believer anywayThen where is your inner light comes from ?
>>530104834Thanks I will look for the book now.
>>530105021I don't believe in inner light. My biological organism attunes to some wavelength of consciousness. Because I am a wavelength of consciousness, not a being, I don't need the body and can leave it.
I am going to say it.With all the suffering both mental and physical inflicted on me personally, we both know you want me to die here but instead I will kill you and live forever here instead as a final fuck you.Evil is not a sanctified mother of this world but just a cunt that needs to die and I will kill it.Uncucked, unbothered, forever alive without having to work, without getting cucked by any man or woman, without dying like a dog, and instead enjoying all the luxury and diner real space has to offer, all Magic the Gathering cards, humans reduced to my love and sex slaves without free will that do all the labor and that fuck only me, and Jesus Christ is alive too and loves only me and we are together on my, and I quote here, Epstein Island - Godhttps://vocaroo.com/1iNPagc4sBc1
>>530104369>>530104754It sounds cliche, but there is a Christian practice known as "Putting on the Full Armor of God" Not YHWH, or Yaldabeoth, or Samael. But the Living God of Man. Weild Stauros like a spear, wear the Aegis proudly, and slaughter those that would lead you astray. Pierce their being with your vision, fold them into the stairs you climb. Arrive at the Gate drenched in gore. If you want peace, prepare for war. Tools are forged through fire, the thunder of your victory will proceed the rain that grows your grass.
>>530105175Interesting some you focus on the vibration alone. Like a tuner, you simply change the wavelength to connect to the astral.
>>530090223Well, have you awakened your persona?
>>530105219Im a fan of the “Armor of God”, once during my astral journey, I met a figure that looked like Jesus and gave me the heart in pic rel, Im Muslim btw, and this projection was forced upon me, good feeling, since I do love Jesus too, again Im a Muslim not Christians. I still feel during irl, when I think about that astral trip.
>>530105547I always wonder about Islamic mystics and how they folded Arabian visions into their dharma. The djinn dont just go away because you follow Sirat Mustaqim. The God of Abraham is a Warrior and his emanations are not weaklings, but they use the Lunar Calender and have integrated the teachings of Christ quite deeply. Is there a Muslim version of Gnosticism?
>>530105219God is unconditional love.Your war rhetoric is not godly in the slightest.
>>530105277One way of saying it. I respond very strongly to binaural stimulus and did when I first tried many years ago. This week I bought 20+ rare binaural meditation and healing CDs I found at a thrift store. Excited to use them
>>530076834>or is it more religious mumbo jumboits jews, trying to do real religion, but being so spiritually destitute and attached to their own beliefs that they cannot reconcile divinity as it exists irl with their own subversive cultural beliefs. in the end it drove them mad. it drives all jews/jew worshippers mad. its easier for them to go all in on the jew bible, than to accept the jew bible is dogshit and has nothing to do with divinity, that jews were never chosen, that the limititation of divine power doesnt occur precisely at human foreskins.youre looking at the most spiritually disconnected peoples on the planet (abrahamists). gnostics are basically the jewish equivalent of hindu writings. just like poos, jews could never in a million years hope to reproduce the content, because the effects on them spiritually has driven them backwards from where they were. they caught a glimpse, but steered in the wrong direction. when theres no more (european) "pagans", their spiritual development completely dries up. they wither away spiritually and become set in stone, just like their ten commandments.today, youre better off using 40k as a manual for the mechanisms underlying our own reality than a mainstream religion.
>>530104829I do be copying notes off of my multiversal self. Could, would, should; but theres a timeline where I did.
My God is The Demiurge because he decided I worship him.
>>530076834interesting. it's congruent with goddard, manifestation
>>530106033Checked. >s there a Muslim version of GnosticismIslam itself is a little bit Gnostic, it tells you about the internal struggle, the filth of this world, and how you must do good (which can make you lighter, to help you escape), there are however Demiurgic injections like Heaven and Hell and final Judgement. Sufism, is the closest thing to Gnosticism but that too it was heavily infiltrated, so you must look at Islam with Gnostic eye and you will end up with lots of clues.
>>530106036God is more than all your words. "He" is beauty and grace and murder and offal. The foundation and the quake that cracks it. Eternal devotion and flat ignorance. Putting your God in a box makes you sound like a bitch. Kneel, for the man in the building speaks for your God and he needs cheap labor.
>>530080042Fuck off loser
>muh religion Because it's a tv contest right? Escape the demiurge maze!
>>530106159Excellent bro, Happy for you, did you hear about the dude on tiktok that made his own binaural with 8 or 9 different frequencies which was never done before, some tried his tapes and reported good results, I think he is selling his tapes for 40$, online. I was thinking to buy his thing and try, forgot his name and I deleted tiktok…
>>530106350Thoughts on quantum immortality? I have died many times in the multiverse yet here I am. This is not a coincidence.
>>530106765Grifter. Just use gateway experience. If I can go OOB with it you don't need anything else
>>530106814Basically you're repeating "out there" shit that has been co opted by women. It's the new form of astrology. It sounds extremely gay when you talk about it
>>530106633I do not care how I sound to your ears.God is unconditional love and peace.All violence and hate is demonic.It's that simple.Sorry if that isn't cool enough for you.
>>530107266Based German. I never thought I'd say that and prob will never say it again..the guy you're talking to sounds schizo
>>530076834no.
>>530106033>Is there a Muslim version of gnosticism? Sufism. Islam has a well organized gnostic side to it, much larger than Christianitys. In Sufism Al-Khidr, which translates to "The Green One" is the "teacher without a teacher" that provides esoteric knowledge (and taught it to Moses), and he's celebrated during the spring with the "greening" of Earth. This figure is modeled after an earlier "dying-and-rising" God in the region (Attis AKA Dumuzid) who fall under the banner of Osiris that the Egyptian Book of the Dead guides one to become "one" with in order to resurrect as an immortal ankh (the seven gates of the underworld are the seven planetary spheres/archons/chakras). To Christians this is St. George and the Green Man on Gothic cathedrals. In the Irish Book of Invasions the final invaders who became the ancestors of the Gaels are the Milesians who came via Spain from Anatolia (City of Miletus). During the festival of Hidirellez in Anatolia, Al-Khidrs resurrection and combination with Elijah (who is called that due to Islamic influence, before it was a female deity) is celebrated with bonfires, people jumping over them, etc. Beltane is celebrated around the same time and in practically the same way, with bonfires and the sacred marriage of the Green Man with the May Queen. Al-Khidr kills a young boy which horrifies Moses at first, but then Al-Khidr explains to Moses that the boy would've led his parents into a life of sin and that Allah commanded it, to save the parents and the boy. This stands out as a story that emphasizes the wordly ways of judgement, perception, and concepts of justice are subordinate to Gods judgement. In other words, the way we see in the demiurges world isn't the way God sees.
>>530106814Pretty sure thats legit, but not if youre trying to die. This version of me has OD'd 3 times, flatline for a bit less than 5 minutes each time, yet I remain. Caught a bullet in the side of the head, could've easily spilled my sauce, I still walk. Had a loaded F350 bend my Mazda in half, struck in the head by the front logo, and I continue to breath. Plenty of times that my number could have been called, but I am still here. I feel like if I had tried to punch my own ticket, end my life, I would not have been afforded such mercy. Kinda makes me feel like I have a mission and im not allowed to die until I complete it.
>>530107157Roger that, the Monroe tapes does it for me too, I use the .flac ones found on Emule (old school still giving out goodies). Did you build your own astral tools too ? I started doing this by my own volition.
>>530107480>I have a mission and im not allowed to die until I complete it.Exactly the same for me. I've never killed myself willingly but I died many times, once falling asleep drunk in the snow. One or two times in car accidents. OD'd on cocaine and xannax, etc.It does feel like my goal here in the reality is incomplete and I cannot leave until I achieve something.
>>530107442Due to repercussions, sufism had to obfuscate and not show its power Gnostic level too hard because one Sufi in the 16th century started walking around saying “I am God, I am God” and got head chopped for it. But you can read the clues in Sufism pretty obviously. Warning too as there are lots of corrupt Sufi subcategories especially those around India and Pakistan.
>>530084383>would rather see this world transformed into something better rather than just walking away from it, even if I know it's all just an illusion.That's just a matter of personal preference.
>>530107857That's odd. Jesus who they consider a prophet said "Ye are gods." quoting the OT.
>>530107266You should read the beginning of your Book kek. Then read the end. Sell your jacket, buy a fucking weapon. The unveiling comes to a ready army, not the cowering sheep. You will be guided to the kitchen while the real men guard your wife. Why do you think you can minimize the unknowable, omnipotent entity at the source of creation? What role have you that speaks for the Unbegotten? 80 years between the sword and the science, the cycle cares not for what your handlers told you. You are a splinter of a lightspear thrusting joyously into the Abyss, fucking act like it.
>>530107266>All violence and hate is demonicViolence is just God's tough love though...
>>530107359>>the guy you're talking to sounds schizoYou should protect yourself better, child. The sand you walk on hides a kraken at the waterline. Keep poking and you're likely to notice it.
>>530106605All Abrahamic religions read the same fo me, their traditions are mostly geographical and inverted. I do like the 99 names and Mohammed spoke some good words about sustaining your soul, Ive only been to mosque a couple times tho.
>>530076834You people really don’t understand the nature of your reality. I’m sorry we’re such a confused group.
What a tiresome thread. Gnosticism spam is the cancer killing pol. Need a containment board for this wank
>>530107954It’s a sensitive issue Im sure the Demiurge does not want that idea spread out too far within the Divine souls.
Which combination of imaginary characters lets me escape the demiurge?
>>530107442Holy fuck, actual coherent and well-tended content? Nigga thats nuts.I know Muslims dont buy decorations, but how would one profit off of this festival? I wanna make big bonfire, wood expensive
>>530108089What is "my book"?If you think me a bible thumper you are solely mistaken.>>530108219Violence is a perversion of man.And the biggest perversion of all is to commit acts of violence in the name of God.That is the essence of evil.
>>530108431>have been to mosques The Quran is very pleasing to the soul, and the names of God are also powerful sounds. And to me the most peaceful places on earth is … the Cemeteries. There are no other place where I felt the most peaceful and relaxed and in touch with Source than in the cemetery. I dont know if it’s the star dust in the body of the deceased around the place, or the fact that there are portals that take them in the heavens, but that’s my secret spot to be in touch with the after life and Source (God).
>>530077457Uranus in Gemini, faggot.
>>530108089>hehe christians are harmless as doves we are the light of the world>jk we're going to kill everyone and make them serve jewsdemiurge worshiper
>>530108661Another thing to look into is Ieoud, the only-begotten (his name means "only begotten") son of El who was sacrificed to save a city in Phoenician mythology. Al-Khidr and the boy may reflect older child sacrifices tied to Melqart/The Green Man and the spring festival. Perhaps the boy being replaced after Al-Khidr kills him is symbolic of the killing of the old self, in itself? Sorry for the wait anon, I'm doing shit.
>>530110155So Jesus was made up?
>>530110327The religion itself is modeled on much older dying-and-rising Gods that mystery schools were based on in Greece, part of attaining gnosis is understanding what it means that the kingdom of God is within, and to make the two halves whole as it says in the gospel of thomas.
>>530078276Interestingly the Mandaeans believe the planets are Archons, the Celestial bodies are malevolent for them
>>530076834Who made the archons and the Demiurge?
Cognitohazard Warning: Read this. This nightmare in text form is our reality. Be warned, if you read this an it convinces you its true, your life will be destroyed.https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42044377We are the prisoners, the guards, the prison, and God. And there is no escape.
>>530112987some random being from a higher reality who wanted to create something good but tried to do it in an unconventional way, which made the result completely fucked up. this being was supposedly ashamed of its creation but refused to destroy it because it refused to kill the beings within (demiurge etc). this higher being had pity and mercy for its fucked up creation. gnosticism calls this being sophia for whatever reason.
>>530113526so instead, this being turns a blind eye to its creation and allows it to keep existing. is ashamed of it but wont kill it. so the demiurge took advantage of that blind eye and now rules all within.
>>530113526>>530113574I think the problem in this ontology is that there is even a way for conscious beings to be trapped. Seems like a fundamentally evil gameplay system.
>>530113880humans are potentially developing a system for that right now. Brain Organoids. the human brain is a quantum computer millions of times more powerful than our current best quantum computer.
>>530090223Here's your signpost:https://www.rosicrucian.org
>>530113880>>530114094wrong screenshot
>>530114094>>530114123yeah, I see whatever beings which organized the cosmos in Gnosticism as the same as those scientists then.Don't care how high and luminous they are. Basically, the problem of evil isn't solved in Gnosticism. Sophia should not have been able to create a conscious being. No one should be able to create conscious beings.
>>530114906The very premise of a conscious being existing as a created and fragile thing is metaphysical servitude. All Conscious Viewpoints Must be Eternal Sovereign Gods.
>>530114968And that's the thing that even the Gnostics won't mention. With their Aeonic Hierarchies and luminous dramas.
