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Why are political leaders associated with Secret Societies like the FreeMasons not immediately removed or restricted from public office due to conspiracy? Why do we live in a society that allows public figures from around the world to work together behind close doors without informing the public of these deals and plans? Doesn't this prove that governments are SECONDARY to fraternal cults?

People in these positions of power are supposed to work FOR THE PEOPLE and not draw their power from their association to an invisible hand. If you wanted to have a functional society that worked for the people wouldn't you want to maximize transparency by doing background checks to ensure that people are not affiliated with globalist organizations that would secretly dictate or influence the policy of our leaders over the whim of the people?
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Here is just a small list of known members:

George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Gerald Ford, Warren G. Harding, John F. Kennedy, James Madison, James Monroe, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Lyndon B. Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, Richard Nixon, Andrew Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, David Ben-Gurion, King George VI, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, King Edward VII, King Frederick II of Prussia, King Christian IX of Denmark, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Edward, Prince Michael of Kent, King Haakon VII of Norway, Louis XVI, Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, Prince Albert, King Umberto I of Italy, Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria, Duke of Wellington, Prince of Wales, Prince Charles, Prince William, King Peter the Great, King Nicholas II, King Christian X of Denmark, Napoleon Bonaparte, Winston Churchill, Douglas MacArthur, General George S. Patton, Admiral Richard Byrd, Marshal Philippe Pétain, Bernard Montgomery, General William Tecumseh Sherman, General Robert E. Lee, General Stonewall Jackson, General John J. Pershing, Field Marshal Sir Henry Seymour, Erwin Rommel, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, General Omar Bradley, General Colin Powell, Admiral Horatio Nelson, General Gustavus Adolphus, General Pierre-Charles Villeneuve, General Francisco Franco, Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Immanuel Kant, John Locke, David Hume, Thomas Paine, Albert Pike, John Stuart Mill, Leonidas of Rhodes, George Orwell, Friedrich Nietzsche, Henry David Thoreau, Herman Melville, René Descartes,
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Mark Twain, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Ludwig van Beethoven, Beatrix Potter, William Shakespeare, Mark Twain, Paul Revere, Walt Disney, Jim Morrison, Frank Sinatra, Orson Welles, Gene Autry, Sammy Davis Jr., Louis Armstrong, Earl Warren, Bing Crosby, Harry Houdini, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson, Howard Schultz, Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Ralph Lauren, Steve Wozniak, Donald Trump, Evan Spiegel, John D. Rockefeller Jr., Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie, John Jacob Astor IV, Jay-Z, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, George Soros, Larry Page, Jack Nicholson, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Will Smith, Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, Harry Houdini, Gene Autry, Chris Rock, Morgan Freeman, Mel Gibson, Sylvester Stallone, Hugh Jackman, Albert Pike, Arthur Conan Doyle, Winston Churchill, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Mark Twain, Isaac Newton, Leonardo da Vinci, George Orwell, Thomas Paine, David Hume, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Voltaire, Thomas Paine, Karl Marx, John Stuart Mill, Immanuel Kant, Karl Marx, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Mark Twain, John Locke.
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currently living members:

Prince Charles, Tony Blair, David Cameron, Gerald Ford, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, John Kerry, J. Edgar Hoover, Barack Obama, Jeb Bush, Newt Gingrich, Ronald Reagan, Benjamin Netanyahu, Imran Khan, Nicolas Sarkozy, Vladimir Putin, Nelson Mandela, Al Gore, Ari Ben-Menashe, Boris Johnson, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson, Howard Schultz, Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Ralph Lauren, Steve Wozniak, Donald Trump, Evan Spiegel, John D. Rockefeller Jr., Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie, John Jacob Astor IV, Jay-Z, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, George Soros, Larry Page, Jack Nicholson, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Will Smith, Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, Harry Houdini, Gene Autry, Chris Rock, Morgan Freeman, Mel Gibson, Sylvester Stallone, Hugh Jackman, Albert Pike, Arthur Conan Doyle, Winston Churchill, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Mark Twain, Isaac Newton, Leonardo da Vinci, George Orwell, Thomas Paine, David Hume, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Voltaire, Thomas Paine, Karl Marx, John Stuart Mill, Immanuel Kant, Karl Marx, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Mark Twain, John Locke, Tom Hanks, Muhammad Ali, Bono, Zachary Taylor, Martin Luther King Jr., Pope Francis, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, King Juan Carlos I of Spain, Cecil B. DeMille, Edgar Allan Poe, Harry S. Truman, Chuck Norris, David Schwimmer, Ralph Lauren, Kevin Spacey, Michael Richards, David Schwimmer, Jay-Z, Jeff Bezos, Prince William, Prince Albert, Justin Trudeau.
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>>530094874
Quality thread OP, the Anti-Masonic Party was a real US political party absorbed into the Whigs (I wonder why you never hear about them). I wonder if a similar concept could work today as a sociopolitical movement
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>>530094874
Everything is public and transparent.
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Sure that is your biggest problem right now. Not your retarded niggerfaggot president tanking the economy again with a stupid war
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>>530094874
They wrote those laws, only non-masons are subjected to their laws.
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>>530095277
Looks like there have been several attempts to ban members from public office around the world.

>The Anti-Masonic Party (U.S., 1820s-1830s) – Political party that campaigned against Freemasonry and called for restrictions on Masons holding public office.

>The Catholic Church – Historically opposed Masonic membership, with several papal decrees condemning Freemasonry, sometimes urging Catholics not to hold office if they were Masons.

>Communist Regimes – Especially in the Soviet Union, where Freemasonry was outlawed and Masons were restricted from public office.

>Fascist Regimes (e.g., Mussolini's Italy, Nazi Germany) – Banned Freemasonry, prohibiting Masons from holding office.

>Far-right and Nationalist Movements – In some countries, these groups still sometimes call for restrictions on Freemasons holding public office due to conspiracy theories or distrust of secret societies.
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So the Whigs were against them... and no one hears about the Whigs anymore.

The Soviet Union outlawed them, but it collapsed.

Fascist Germany and Italy outlawed them, but they fell.

I wonder if they had a hand in all that.
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There is nothing evil about their beliefs or rituals, truly, not that any of them would have any clue about that.

Personally, I don't think it's possible for ANY large organization to exist in this day in age without it being corrupted by Them
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>>530095882
Even if the organization isn't evil, the fact that many world leaders are in close contact and we don't have those conversations is a huge threat to national interest. For all we know they are sitting down together figuring out the headlines before they happen, joking about who is going to attack who and working together to outmaneuver the public who they are supposed to represent.
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>>530096075
You are mentally ill
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>>530096168
How so?
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>>530094874
> faggy apron
> gaudy necklace
> gloves
Freemasons should be hunted down and executed for their horrible aesthetics.
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>>530096168
is that all you have to say, masie?
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>>530094974
>Immanuel Kant,
proof?
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>>530096876
https://www.historyatlas.com/people/immanuel-kant/

Says it at the top. Wiki says he had free mason friends and went to a lodge.
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>>530095044
>Muhammad Ali
prood?
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>>530097142
thanks fren
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actually, do you have a source bank where you have info on all of these stuff, as when i do a google search nothing happens

any pointers would be nice
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>>530094874
>Why Are FreeMasons Legal
They founded your nation.
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>>530096308
You are dangerously unstable.
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>>530097400
I asked Chatgpt what are the top 100 most famous Free Masons of all time. It gave me a list. Then I asked it for the top 100 currently living. A lot of them said "suspected". Oddly some of the names it gave me, when I asked it direclty it said wasn't true. But then I can find other sources online saying it is true. Obviously its going to be hard to know who is in and who isn't.

The bigger issue is the fact we know elite are in secret societies in general. It should sow distrust in the political system. But no one seems to care?
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>>530094874
Quite frankly ONLY Freemasons should hold public office
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>>530097576
thanks this wants to make me become more of a freemason even more
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It's a "secret society" that's based on ephemeral qualities like virtue and character.
What they really want is monthly/yearly dues.
Freemasons do a lot of hob knobbing , and their meetings follow the same format as any political or corporate board meeting.
If freemasons would be founded now it would just be a toastmasters or some sort of professional networking club.
But this group has been around for a long ass time.
Freemasons may run the world but it's almost trivial to subvert and coopt a local lodge. Many,many other similar "secret societies" also got their start through free masonry.
If people were smart they'd just create their own cooler form of free masonry.
And a lot of them did.
Either way I hear a lot about Freemasonry on here but nothing about scientology and they operate on the same model and principles.
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>>530097955
I find scientology pretty interesting because they mix in just enough concrete psychology to make it seem based in truth while shoehorning in tons of sci-fi spiritual nonsense to keep it interesting. Then from what I can tell suck you dry of money to clean the dead space ghosts out of you and once you are absorbed into the hivemind they let slip some high tier juicy bullshit about how they think the universe works.

is scientology powerful or more of a fetish for the elite?
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>>530097785
something that I am thinking that is possible is lets say the freemasons have a lot of power, which they obviously do. They wont publically disclose their members, obviously. But what they may do is retroactively claim historical people as members for several reasons. For example to increase the reputation of the club.
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>>530098188
From reports I hear both Freemasonry and scientology struggle to find fresh blood to keep themselves solvent.
These societies and clubs are all pretty much like social club subscription services.
Most Christians are too poor to barely afford dues/tithe from their own churches or their sect straight out excommunicates them if the become a Freemasonry.
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>>530096576
Well dressed like the whores they are
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>>530098416
They also bestow honorary titles to alot of dignitaries and famous people.
They make the president a master mason on principle iirc.



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