The universe is gigantic, scientists estimate there are 10^31 planets in the observable universe alone. That’s 1028104710481640173927104718491 planets. So if something CAN exist, it does. Especially if the universe is infinite beyond the parts we can see. This isn’t a troll or schizo thread, it’s a serious existential question, pretty much all the serious threats to humanity are in space and we would be fools to ignore themIf aliens were to arrive to the edge of our system with planet killing weapons, Iran would seem like a nothingburger suddenly. So what should we do about the extraterrestrial threat?
>>530317303Space Jews
rape spider
Imagine if we found out there are jews on other planets too
>>530317303more nigger
>>530317303Aliens would have no use for us if they could visit us. Their technology would be so far advanced that we'd look like ants to them.
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>>530317303>What’s the worst thing we could find in space?indians. imagine we get out into space, find an inhabitable planet, and it's full of jeets shitting on the street. I would kill myself.
>>530317303Probably aliens with better tech who are hostile Or an alien who is hostile by design without technology but has a method of harming people that our tech can’t counter Etc
>>530317377Space oy vey
>>530317303The end of a skybox.>>530317497Why? Seems like a perfect place to send ours!
>What should we do Stop trying to contact them and stay very quite. I fucking hate those retards trying to contact aliens because we have no real means of dealing with them if they showed up. The worse thing that could show up are imperialistic aliens because humanity would just become their thralls. Sure we have nukes, but if they could travel at faster than light speeds dealing with those would be trivial. It would be worse if they just viewed us as a blight occupying a nice planet and just cleansed us. Scientist have this deluded idea that if aliens were more advanced then us scientifically that they would be more moral than us, but technology and morality are not the same thing. They might just wipe us out for the sport of it. Scientist are retarded autistic fucks that like gambling with all of humanity because they like to masturbate their curiosity.
>>530317303>what is the worst thing we could find in spaceSelf replicating nanobots
>>530317303It depends on if the Higgs Boson is stable or metastable. If it's only metastable it could at any time collapse into a vaccum decay bubble which would expand at the speed of light. Inside this bubble mass would not exist as we know it, but we would all die before it reached us because as it endlessly expands a massive wall of super heated light would form at the edge as the light would never get consumed and so a lightyear thick wall would form and that would kill us. If the Higgs Boson is stable the most terrifying thing is an actively expanding type 3 grabby civilization expanding towards us. They would crush us like ants.
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>>530317303>What’s the worst thing we could find in space?voyager 1 flying back towards the sun
>>530317303indian space spiders
>>530318314yeah, he was pretty pissed off when he got back here last time.
>>530317695>Stop trying to contact them and stay very quite. I fucking hate those retards trying to contact aliens because we have no real means of dealing with them if they showed up.Agreed it’s catastrophic we need to enforce a global ban on sending strong signals to space this shit might get us ALL killed Just because some Star Trek watching idiot thought it was funny to beam a meme into space >The worse thing that could show up are imperialistic aliens because humanity would just become their thralls. Being against genocide is a very human notion it’s not universal at all. Do you know the server 2b2t ? Our universe is the same. No rules. >Sure we have nukes, but if they could travel at faster than light speeds dealing with those would be trivial.It’s impossible to know what technology and abilities they would haveIf we have already discovered all scientific principles we might be able to destroy lone interstellar ships before they can mine our planets to build a larger fleetBut that’s a specific scenario only. Any advanced near magic weapon beyond modern science and were dead. Any ftl or teleportation and were dead. Even just them having a larger fleet than what we can produce and were dead It’s physically possible for instance to create starships that can fly at half of lightspeed and have a laser beam like the Death Star. You could launch a giant laser station towards the solar system that could destroy any ships from the orbit of Pluto with a giant laser beam. That’s a scary type of weaponAnother terrifying weapon I’ve seen in a video is the idea of a simple large pocket of gas. Used as a lens. Like a magnifying glass onto ants
>>530317377Fpbp
>>530317303Yourself.
>>530317303Yinglets
>>530317303>worstsome kind of huge hell planet with trillions of more niggers and pajeets
>>530317303Just don’t worry about it, retard.If aliens mean to kill us, then they will.They would be an interstellar species, therefore so far beyond us that we could t even comprehend.So defending ourselves is not even worth thinking about.
>>530317695>Scientist have this deluded idea that if aliens were more advanced then us scientifically that they would be more moral than usIt’s a weird cognitive bias most people haveThey instantly and automatically assume that being pacifier and universally benevolent is the maximum morality. But what if it’s the opposite? What it being completely genocidal was a more enlightened morality than kindness? It’s certainly something you can argue rationally. Look up the moriori tribe and maori tribe. Moriori were a pacifist people who would rather die than harm another human. Maori were genocidal cannibals. The Maori massacred the moriori who don’t exist anymore. So was their moral system really so enlightened? Or was the genocidal morality of the Maori more enlightened >They might just wipe us out for the sport of it.Oh yeah that’s my point. I expect that both gentle kind aliens and genocidal fanatics exist. But it means genocidal fanatic aliens do exist. Which is the issue
>>530317695>>530318377We are already dead if Dark Forest is right and there are aliens with in 100Ly. About 100 Tons of Antimatter, each strapped to a sun sail, and pointed at earth is enough to kill us all. And a type 2 civilization could EASILY do it with about ~80 years of prep
Aliens forcing us to reincarnate, thats the worst, subjecting us to suffering, old age and the almost endless things that provoke suffering and were not even talking about beings that exist as material creatures in this universe but more interdimensional beings that are totally fucked up in the headJust look at how vile humans can be now imagine said aliens, pure hellish nightmare, now look at all ancient civilizations, all of them seem to have been contacted by sky people and this sky creatures wanted sacrifices
>>530317303I'm more worried about giant rocks than aliens to be honest. As i grow older the more meteorite impacts and shit happen the more I realize just how chaotic the whole system actually is. A rock can just fall and end everything at a moments notice and there's literally nothing we could do. But as far as aliens go There's so many ways it could go bad. From alien micro organisms, to toxic secretions, to poisonous atmospheres, and all of that doesn't even need any sort of malicious nature from the alien. Start putting intelligence, selfishness, narcissism, and a power dynamic into it and you can easily see how badly it could go.Anyways if I was an intelligent species and I was space faring and I stumbled upon a species that was on the cusp of becoming space faring, but was also clearly violent, so much so that they still fought themselves, then i'd do everything i could to limit their ascension. I wouldn't engage, I would not go near, but I would mine the shit out of their solar system and deprive them of the precursor materials necessary to become a galactic civilization, it would be non confrontational, easy, and there's nothing they'd be able to do about it.If I had light speed drives, then I'd also have a weapon that would be undetectable, so if they did manage to get to a point where they could be a threat then a light speed bullet would evaporate their planet before they could ever get any warning.
>>530318512cute rats
I think the worst thing would be nothing at all. Just us in the infinite void.
>>530318852TEN TONS. NOT A HUNDRED
i think space is fake and that matter is rendered locally from consciousness. 95% of the universe is dark energy, to make our equations work correctly at large scale. if 95% of the universe is something we have never observed, i think we got it all wrong.
>>530317970>If the Higgs Boson is stable the most terrifying thing is an actively expanding type 3 grabby civilization expanding towards us. They would crush us like ants.But if there is no FTL would combat strength be based on empire size or more localIf the answer is local then we could survive despite being smaller by becoming grabby aliens, with technological parity (achievable if there’s a limit to technology once you know everything there is to know) then we could surviveAlso running away might be a solution of sortsEither way I’m of the opinion humanity should become min maxing grabby aliens as fast as possibleIt can’t harm us to be stronger at first contactI don’t really believe about the meta stable field stuff,I’m not even convinced the Higgs boson actually exists and isn’t just a contrived made up thing by the people who want a model of reality as particles (Higgs boson being the the particle that creates mass)There’s a lot of explanations for how mass (inertial and gravitational) could arise that are mathematically consistent with what we observe, and the Higgs theory doesn’t explain at all howHiggs bosons stay attached to other force carriersIt also implies it’s possible to remove the mass from any particle by removing their Higgs bosons. I have a lot of controversial opinions in physics, I tend to disagree with the particle/quantic interpretations (with good reasons), for a lot of it we just don’t know at all how it works given the current data and the models pushed range from pure contrivance that’s at best possible (not the only option) and at worse literally contain logical paradoxes and are as such proven to be false using proof by the absurd (example black holes and all the paradoxes they create.That’s hard evidence the math is wrong)So I wouldn’t put too much faith in wild theories about non proven stuff built on theories that have holes and errorsThe multi dimensional idea of inertial mass seems plausible
>>530318377>Star Trek I always thought intergalactic governments were retarded. We struggle to get a global government and were all the same species there is no reason to assume that laws could exist that would be suitable for governing humans and aliens. Murder to aliens might be completely reasonable as every third alien is crazy violent. That or they could view their entire species as expendable because they are a hive mind. >Being against genocideWe wipe out animals all the time. Genocide only applies to humans because we value human life. Aliens would have no reason to view us above apes. >We have no way of knowing I'd argue if they could reach us we would know they would have vastly superior technology. We can barely leave our planet let alone send a ship to different solar systems. >>530318626>pacifism vs genocide Pacifism only works out when things aren't zero sum. If you live on a resource constrained environment extreme violence makes sense to monopolize those resources. Pacifism only works when you can have multiple winner or work towards a shared goal. We don't know the environment these aliens come from so we have no way of knowing the favored survival strategy. >>530318852>We are already dead Maybe, they might just interpret our signals as weird radiation. We are only dead if they successfully recognize them as intelligent messages.
>>530318626>What it being completely genocidal was a more enlightened morality than kindness?In nature, the strongest wins. Humans have exterminated all their natural predators during the ice age, with sticks and stones no less.In nature, racial supremacy is the norm.
>>530318576>If aliens mean to kill us, then they will.>They would be an interstellar species, therefore so far beyond us that we could t even comprehend.There is likely a wide range where we will survive if we get our shit together fast but would die if we just stagnate and don’t make any attempt to survive through strength We don’t lose anything by trying to get stronger fast, but it gives us extra possibilities at survival
>What’s the worst thing we could find in space?unironicly, not shitzo and trolling? so called jews. and they found us, 80k years ago. we are currently infected with them. remember the black rock that fell from heaven? yes the mind consciounsess/sentience virus egregore. its manifest in 3D are so called jews. it goes hand in hand with the parasite (7 heads and menorah 7 heads) storyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3dIOgYyCl0
>>530317377The universe was promised to them 3 billion years ago
>>530319637wrong linkhttps://odysee.com/@CraterEarth:fenjoy with caution (70% truth 30% bs)
>>530317303More Niggers and Jews
>>530319510>intergalactic governmentsI'm not really going to care what an alien is doing 4 billion light years away as I'm trying to feed my family on Earth
>>530318852>We are already dead if Dark Forest is right It isUnless biblical creationism is real and we’re the only life form in the universe lol. If that’s not the case we live in the dark forest. If aliens exist bad ones do too >and there are aliens with in 100Ly. About 100 Tons of Antimatter, each strapped to a sun sail, and pointed at earth is enough to kill us all. And a type 2 civilization could EASILY do it with about ~80 years of prepSun sails are bad, but some other propulsion might work (like boosted light sails but these would send signals from the giant laser)Btw I love the idea of that one guy with 3 staged mirror to slow down by decoupling mirror slicesAnyways humanity doesn’t have good satellites right now it makes me feel unsafe, we couldn’t detect an alien fleet that was chilling around Neptune right now Let alone at nearby starsLet alone a tiny antimatter package hurdling towards earth with very little time to react since it’s going close to the speed of lightThey are still possible to defend against, a KKV with enough acceleration and delta v to put some distance between it and earth would protect us, but need to be detected Also there’s probably a lot of trash in interstellar space, small ice cubes etc that would be deadly to small packages moving near lightspeed.
>>530319146They can be a problem
>>530319909you would care if they were able to come visit you within a couple weeks or whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wai7VFzycI
>>530317303More Indians.
>>530317303Think about what you just wrote. That many planets and let's be real, how visible are we? Our radio signals have only progressed about as far as to reach Alpha Centauri. More than likely, no life exists in our solar neighborhood. With so many planets out there, we blend in so well that finding us would be like trying to find a particular grain of sand in all the beaches on earth. We are essentially sitting in "the boonies" and it's almost impossible to find us. I believe in the dark forest theory. Anyone advanced enough to be easily seen and contacted due to them being travelers with obscene technology have already met "the big boss" and got borg'ed by something unimaginably unstoppable. We won't last long enough to be relevant to them.Plus our planet is polluted by plastics and ridiculous amounts of space junk floating around outside of it. We're literally your hillbilly neighbors you pretend don't exist and wish would get evicted.
>>530319116>I'm more worried about giant rocks than aliens to be honest. That’s something we can protect againstYou really don’t need much energy to nudge an asteroid to make it miss earth slightly by the time it reaches usTo do that we would need a bit more telescope power, to really track constantly all bit rocks (mostly the case already today)Then just have missions ready to go to push asteroids. A good idea for ice asteroids is just a nuclear thruster that can be fed ice or liquid from melted ice with the rock filtered out. There’s also the asteroid redirect mission that was done successfully. We only have the ability to do that with small ones for now but it could be scaled up with enough motivation >Anyways if I was an intelligent species and I was space faring and I stumbled upon a species that was on the cusp of becoming space faring, but was also clearly violent, so much so that they still fought themselves, then i'd do everything i could to limit their ascension. What if we find aliens that kill species for funYou can’t project what you would do on beings that aren’t like you at all The friendly aliens are no need for concern because if they exist they won’t harm us so there’s no need to even think about the friendly ones
>>530319262Isn’t the kinetic energy required to accelerate 10 tons near lightspeed already pretty comparable to 10 tons of antimatter? I’m pretty sure just a relativistic kinetic kill vehicle would be deadly enoughBut that’s not an issue if we colonise the solar system, if we can survive without earth were no longer as vulnerableMost likely though they would send warships that can adapt and hunt down survivors and not just an unguided super weapon
>>530319963nothing that couldn't be corrected.
>>530320533Yeah, but the easiest way would be to move space along with you instead of accelerating. You would remain still, essentially, while space moved around you. You wouldn't be limited by speeds. There are videos on youtube showing this and how it would look like. The problem is finding some star trek dilithium crystal type exotic matter that could power whatever machine you need to accomplish this with.
>>530319510>I'd argue if they could reach us we would know they would have vastly superior technology.The argument here is the question of whether or not we’ve already found most of the laws of physics It’s like futurama, when they discover the last scientific fact and all researchers are out of a job lolIf we’re close to that we would be at parity with all other species pretty soon. But we can’t know it there are laws of physics we don’t know about. That’s what I was saying>>530319510>Pacifism only works out when things aren't zero sum. If you live on a resource constrained environment extreme violence makes sense to monopolize those resources. Pacifism only works when you can have multiple winner or work towards a shared goal. We don't know the environment these aliens come from so we have no way of knowing the favored survival strategy.No it’s even worse it’s that + intelligent life is an existential threat to intelligent lifeIt’s not merely resources it’s also that genocide removed an existential threat forever and vastly increases your odds of survival. You can have an alliance between two species, a Star Trek federation for centuries. Millennia. Maybe even a million year. But would the alliance be eternal? Irl alliance shift whenever a nation gets a new leader with new opinions and goals. So given infinite time there is basically a chance of 1 that species would eventually fight each other at some point in the future. Wiping them out when you can removed the possibility of a defeat forever
>>530320533Here, I found what I was talking about in >>530320819Skip to 12:25https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFNgd3pitAI
>>530319512Yes but right now we’re in a planet of neurotypicals who all thing all aliens would be like maternal protectorsGo to any comment sections and you’ll see comments with thousands of likes about how "the aliens would be ashamed of how mean we are to each other" or "the aliens don’t want rot all to us until we grow up"Billions of retards who project their relationship with their parents on alien species and send signals to space with radiotelescopes when unattended. FFS. It’s correct to be concerned, right now humanity is a very low Darwinian fitness species in inter species competition
I hope we find lyransNot finding them would be the worst thing
>>530317303Kill each other before giving the aliens the satisfaction.
>>530319958Sure a solar laser sent via a dyson swarm, or antimatter powered antimatter missles would be much better and more accurate. BUT triggering them would broadcast your location to the galaxy since it would outshine a star. One proposal I've seen would involve accelerating a beam to ionized particles to relativistic speeds so that they don't come apart and then beam them at a planet, it would basically do what we do to cancer cells on a planet wide scale and would be largely invisible unless it happened to pass though another life bearing system with a civilization. Also another thing that seems to show grabby aliens is right is the seeming total lack of dyson swarms, which despite being the ultimate form of power generation you can get without a black hole would be very detectable.
>>530317303the worst thing would be nothing
>>530319909>I'm not really going to care what an alien is doing 4 billion light years away as I'm trying to feed my family on EarthIf FTL isn’t possible you’d maybe have 8 billion years to prepare before they reach us So not an urgent problem but it will still happen it’s guaranteed, species expend over timeThe worry is if the nearest dangerous aliens are much closer than billions of light years. Say hundreds or thousands of light years. Within our own galaxyOr if FTL is possible. If either are true then we are on a timer to build up defenses before they arrive and wipe us out
>>530320358>What if we find aliens that kill species for funProbably wouldn't be much fun if they're at the level of regularly finding other life, unless they're some sort of Predator type race that purposely gimps themselves for a mostly fair fight. Really I'd prefer humanity went out like that instead of just being overwhelmed by how fast the retarded races breed.
>>530317303The worst thing found in the universe is the kikes.
>>530317303UsSo far from our understanding of physics and while not completely we are not completely off with our understanding we are about the worst you can get.There basically is a range of planets having enough gravity to support an atmosphere of any sort and be able to create life and to be so heavy gravity makes conventional space travel and exploration and further understanding impossible.Basically you go from to light so nothing can form to barely enough an atmosphere and life can form to life is possible but gravity is so high you can barely fly a plane or rocket which then goes to so heavy life is possible but it won't leave planet to life becomes impossible.We are actually on the upper end of that, life can form but gravity is so high we can barely leave or planet.Basically things on planets that support life, but have higher gravity would have to skip several steps in space exploration and understanding of the universe and go directly to something like anti gravity or so to leave their world and explore space.
>>530320344>how visible are we? Very visible to things within our galaxyWe can’t see shit right now but we have like 1 3 meter wide telescopeAliens could have much better telescopes of all kinds just by the scale of industry, and if they’re wise they would build such things to detect others before they are detectedIt’s what the trisolarans do in the books, they are a high Darwinian fitness civilisation. Utterly totalitarian collectivists, 100% of the GDP is centrally planned and goes towards interplanetary warfare. And their first move is to turn their entire planet into detector arrays. Covering the entire planet in telescopes and turning off the lights. It’s a smart thing to do >Our radio signals have only progressed about as far as to reach Alpha Centauri. More than likely, no life exists in our solar neighborhood.HopefullyOur telescopes are currently too small to see anything lf it was there> With so many planets out there, we blend in so well that finding us would be like trying to find a particular grain of sand in all the beaches on earth. We are essentially sitting in "the boonies" and it's almost impossible to find us. Grabby aliens that take the approach of just taking over EVERY star would be pretty good at finding us don’t forget that >I believe in the dark forest theory. People who don’t are insane>Anyone advanced enough to be easily seen and contacted due to them being travelers with obscene technology have already met "the big boss" and got borg'ed by something unimaginably unstoppable. We won't last long enough to be relevant to them.Sure but there’s possibility we will meet aliens we could defeat if we focus on becoming stronger now, that would defeat us if we don’t
>>530320819I know that stuff I don’t really believe it would workThese configurations first of all cannot stop or start. It’s basically just saying "if you have a black hole in front of you and an.... anti black hole in front of you (they don’t exist) then you would be moving super fast!!!"But you can’t ever stop the "ship" or start it again, you’d need to spawn into existence in this configuration to make it possible so it’s not usable as a shipAlso I am completely convinced general relativity is false, I’m not even fully convinced FTL is a true limit for everything, it could be more or of a conditional limit for most matter and energy. So very unlikely given what we know that we could ever move ftl but communications and weapons might be ftl. Not talking about entanglement or anything like that just straight up a signal that moves faster than light. Might be possible based on discoveries we haven’t made yet. Either way having the speed or light as a cosmic limit creates paradoxes si either it’s false either something else removed the paradoxes Black holes create all these paradoxes in general relativity because they basically accelerate things faster than light in a model that can’t allow that. So it makes divisions by 0. Newtonian math doesn’t create any paradoxes with black holes since there is no speed limitMy take is that both Newtonian and Einsteinian physics are incorrect. Whi knows what is possible with the correct model.
>>530321142>I hope we find lyrans>Not finding them would be the worst thingWhy do humans always want to fuck cats? Is it just toxoplasmosis ?Also: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk
>>530319963>>530318512oh great, the yinglet retard is back
>>530320344>Our radio signals have only progressed about as far as to reach Alpha CentauriWhat a fucking brainlet. First of all Radio signals travel at the speed of light, second of all Alpha Centauri is only about 4 light years away. We've been broadcasting for over a 100 years. Sure the signal strength of the earliest broadcast would be weak and would fade with distance, but there were dedicated beamed messages that were sent out decades ago. Anyways Radio isn't the only techno signature or even bio signature so even if they weren't listening that way doesn't mean they couldn't detect our planet in any other number of ways. >>530320358Tell me about how much time we had for omuamua or atlas, If we detected an interstellar rock, and we had lets be generous 1 year, to prepare we'd be able to do absolutely fuck all to stop it. Even if our entire economy was transformed into building starships.
>>530321178>Sure a solar laser sent via a dyson swarm, or antimatter powered antimatter missles would be much better and more accurate. BUT triggering them would broadcast your location to the galaxy since it would outshine a star. Only the target locationAlso would it? I feel like a lot of the light of explosion would be blocked by the mentor or the planet and the rest might not be such a time condensed peak. I’m not sure. If it’s more diffuse over time it would be less bright >One proposal I've seen would involve accelerating a beam to ionized particles to relativistic speeds so that they don't come apart and then beam them at a planet, it would basically do what we do to cancer cells on a planet wide scale and would be largely invisible unless it happened to pass though another life bearing system with a civilization.Yeah but again these are planet killing weapons. Only dangerous to aliens who rely on habitable planets. Full on habitat space born origin aliens don’t care they’re just chilling around Jupiter >Also another thing that seems to show grabby aliens is right is the seeming total lack of dyson swarms, which despite being the ultimate form of power generation you can get without a black hole would be very detectable.I don’t know how much the dark forest part of the dark forest part is trueThe hiding partSurely some aliens would be convinced they’re the top dogs, and others would have never made that connection and wouldn’t try to hide or be careless and you would see thoseI find it completely impossible that there would be endless aliens yet all of them hide. No some would be total chumps and make 0 effort at hiding Again humanity’s detection ability is a joke, the national reconnaissance organization owns 20 Hubbles that are each 1.5x times larger Not hating on military recon but I’m saying there military recon to do beyond earth too
>>530321792>HopefullyOur telescopes are currently too small to see anything lf it was thereRadio is light speed since it is a kind of light. The first broadcasts ever to escape the atmosphere were nazi speeches, using 1936, the generally accepted year they figured out how to do this we can be detected in an ever growing (but less exactly as we zoom out) 90Ly bubble.One way I think we could prove dark forest is by creating a space telescope and pointing it at the general area where the WOW signal came from, if we detect a new star that suddenly appears and vanishes without a trace we just watched the omnicide of the species that sent the signal.
>>530321626How frequent these are leads to how many we would expect to be and thus how close they are to us and how much time we have to prepare It’s also a question of how much having a head start matters. The universe is billions of years old, it’s pretty sad if we stand no chance no matter what against billion year old aliens. Hopefully there’s a way to equalize the playing field within the laws of physics
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>No some would be total chumps and make 0 effort at hiding If dark forest is right the chumps only have at most about 20k years before they get killed, more likely 2k. That or they get incredibly lucky and happen to be the first to evolve in their galaxy letting them become grabby and just take the whole place
>>530317303Space? Fake. Aliens? Gay.
>>530317303>So what should we do about the extraterrestrial threatBeg for mercy and hope they understand.Assuming they have ill intent.If they have the capability to travel the stars, regardless of how low their technology is compared to ours, they already hold the ultimate metaphorical high ground.Even if they do not have weapons as such, they could easily wipe out all life on earth simply by nugeing a few asteroids our way. There would be fuck all we could do about it.However, if their goal is NOT to wipe us out and perform some sort of colonization and their tech is not too far above ours, they would quickly regret it as we would treat them as any primitive race should have treated any colonizers back in the day.Otherwise we could just wait a couple hundred years and call them racists and demand gibs.At the end of the day though there is exactly only ONE resource on earth that cannot be obtained in abundance anywhere else in the universe, and that is humanity.If they know about us, we're doomed.If they are randomly drifting through space looking for a place to live and Earth fits the bill, we're doomed.If they have tech we can overcome and they are utterly retarded in hopes of our good will, they're doomed.Overall most likely scenario is that we are really and truly fucked if THEY choose we are.
>>530317303Looks like a fish nigger...or figger, if you will.
>>530317303There's so much in space that could literally destroy the planet at any moment. There could be a gamma ray burst, hurtling towards us from the other side of the universe, that would vaporize us all instantly. If an asteroid came barreling towards us, what can we even realistically do, besides count down our days? I'd rather worry about the existential threats I can control, I can fight against, such as niggers and kikes.
>>530322672>Tell me about how much time we had for omuamua or atlas, If we detected an interstellar rock, and we had lets be generous 1 year, to prepare we'd be able to do absolutely fuck all to stop it. Even if our entire economy was transformed into building starships.Oh you meant interstellar, sure that’s an issueThough as far as we know no interstellar rock has ever hit earth, the asteroid that killed the dinosaur matches the energy of a asteroid belt one likely a TrojanI know a lot about space stuff so here’s how you would catch an interstellar one:>spam telescopes (a good idea in all scenarios, they detect aliens, habitable planets, weapons and fleets heading our war, alien probes to observe us, and asteroids)>have a fleet of high delta v craft on standby, ideally 300 kilometers per second or more with enough thrust to have a burn time that only lasts months. That’s possible with ion engines and nuclear power so basically almost current tech just very optimized>this would go towards it, crash into it if it can work, and if not slow down to match speed (if they fly in at higher speeds than the ship delta v it’s impossible, impacter would be the only option) then use thermal engines to melt ice into propellant. A tiny deviation in course is enough. If it’s made of rock not ice we’re fucked but if it was in interstellar space a long time it likely is at least covered in ice That would be sufficient protection. My cost estimate is 800-4000 billions. Affordable today, not even a year or American GDP
>>530321626Wiederholen Sie bitte auf Deutsch. Ihren Englisch ist scheiße.I think I fucked up the pronouns, high school German was fifteen years ago.
>>530323268If space is fake then what happened above the city of Chelyabinsk on 15 February 2013?Where is Mars then?What causes the aurora or what caused the Carrington Event then?How does GPS work then?
>>530317303You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive you retarded golem. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJK1gLHbOxA&t=1136s
>>530322867>One way I think we could prove dark forest is by creating a space telescope and pointing it at the general area where the WOW signal came from, if we detect a new star that suddenly appears and vanishes without a trace we just watched the omnicide of the species that sent the signal.lolWe don’t know how space warfare is wagedMaybe FTL exist in which case it would be proper fleetsMaybe it doesn’t and they use photoidsMaybe they use antimatter planet killers (I don’t see that as effective as it only destroys planet not asteroid bases) Maybe they use the radiation ray thingMaybe they send viruses or nanitesMaybe they send a big ship that builds factories locally and builds a fleet while defending the ourpozts using the target solar systemMaybe supreme weapons like Higgs collapse or dual vector foils exist Or other stuff. It’s hard to say. Civilisations might also just slowly expand outwards and not even attempt to strike down distant aliens. Just take systems one by one creeping slowly towards them and fight with heavy fleets that only have to move a single system Supernova weapons are a possibility but I doubt it’s ever easy to do that. Like stars are BIG, I don’t see how you could easily explode one and I find it doubtful that the amount of energy and effort required couldn’t be better spent elsewhereFor the wow signal, are we sure it wasn’t like a random guy with a walkie talkie near the telescope?
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>>530323195>That or they get incredibly lucky Again the universe is bigHaving good enough telescope spam to detect small events like nukes in other galaxies would help answer this question>and happen to be the first to evolve in their galaxy letting them become grabby and just take the whole placeYeah but then what At some point grabbies collide, what does grabby on grabby violence even look like? And how do we win it? Because it’s likely the scenario we will be in in the future
>>530317695We stopped transmitting a long time ago. For that very reason.Contrary to popular belief, radio signals do not travel forever. At least not in any discernable form. At most anything fifty to a hundred light years from here might be able to pick up our signals AND determine they come from an intelligence not their own. After that, it's just static, having degraded to nothing. Like dropping a single drop of ink into a fountain.Quite possibly our push to digital signals may have been motivated to mask our presence. We are quiet as a tomb now.>What about the Voyager probes?Irrelevant. Like trying to find a specific grain of sand on all the beaches of Earth. Or using one of those tiny Tabasco bottles to put a tiny message in, pushing it into the arctic ice and waiting for the current to take it somewhere else.Plus, by the time any of them get even to the closest stars they would have been traveling for so long, they would become completely covered by space dust. Space is not empty. Millions of years collecting tiny bits of this and that would make the probes seem like any other random astroid. A small one at that, maybe the size of a bus by the time it reached anyone that might notice.Maybe those weird asteroids zipping through the last few years were just that.Some intelligent civilization sent our probes millions, tens hundreds even, years ago, long dead. I do not believe we are alone, at all, however our neighbors are so far away, both is space, and time and so utterly unaware of us, we may as well be.
>>530323872Worth a shot. Supernovas and Antimatter missiles and Lasers could all be seen heading that way.I doubt they would viruses since not all life is biologically alike (unless early universe panspermia is right). Nanites would be a good choice though for getting it done cleanly and quietly.
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>>530323271>they already hold the ultimate metaphorical high ground.Yes and that’s why I’m worriedBut there’s still a range of alien strength where we would survive by building up now where we would die by being passive and not growing in strength. So eternal exponential industrial growth should be pursued and expand outwards beyond the earth. As well as tech >Even if they do not have weapons as such, they could easily wipe out all life on earth simply by nugeing a few asteroids our way. There would be fuck all we could do about it.It depends on their asset vs ours. We could pueb aside asteroids. If they have op weapons protecting these asteroid it would be an issue Also we can expand beyond earth. Again we don’t need earth to exist if we can live without it, which makes us less vulnerable. It seems destroying a planet is easier than hunting down many spaceships strewn everywhere >However, if their goal is NOT to wipe us out and perform some sort of colonization and their tech is not too far above ours, they would quickly regret it as we would treat them as any primitive race should have treated any colonizers back in the day.We don’t need to worry about aliens that aren’t existential threats. Because they aren’t existential threats lol. So who cares about those>If they know about us, we're doomed.LikelyWe need a global ban on space signals urgentlyWe should push this idea in popular culture then have a movement that asks world leader to sign a pact (many similar laws exist) banning strong signal sourcesMilitary radars are the biggest issue for enforcing it One totally retarded stuff that should be banned is active radar telescopyIt’s the HORRIFYING practice of sending such strong radar signals towards Venus that we can read the echo to map the terrain. It’s something that we have already done that’s happens right nowImagine if we all go extinct because some retard was curious about the shape of the mountains on Venus ffs
>>530317303>This isn’t a troll or schizo thread,>pretty much all the serious threats to humanity are in space Sincerely human stupidity is a much much bigger threat, and it tends to make people really pliable. Ever heard of Blue Beam?>what should we do about the extraterrestrial threat?If a true space faring race makes it to shooting distance from earth, what makes you think humanity is in any position of doing anything?
>>530319909>Don't care I agree. Which is why I think intergalactic governments are retarded. >>530320886>Discovering all the laws I disagree. Understanding all the laws doesn't mean knowing how to leverage them all. Using the laws creatively is where the real power comes from. You may understand how nuclear fission works, but that doesn't mean you'll create a nuke. >Fighting between aliens Depends of population growth and resource usage. If you both live on planet thousands of years apart with a ton of stuff in between fighting doesn't really make sense. You have no reason to care from a resource or political stance. It really depends on their philosophy on life and diversity.
>>530317303> So what should we do about the extraterrestrial threat?The redpill is the “aliens” aka ancient space aryans are the good guys. At the end of the dark ages or in Indo-Aryan relgion “The Kali Yuga” the space aryans do a “rapture” savings those worth saving while dousing the rest of the world in flame, Kalki in Indo-Aryan relgion is described as doing the same with his fire sword. (to me this myth is ancient human memory retained from a previous cycle by survivors.)To elaborate we are simply a crop that were put here long ago by the space aryans, for the purpose of harvesting the best of us for our genes. They seed other planets with it, also our genes are used for their ruling class inserted into descendant of their rulers. The chosen’s (not Jews, but people that were raptured or saved) genes contain elements such as “struggle against evil” that serve space Aryan evolutionary interests. The “evil” is the role Jews play in this farming operation, they were put here to guide our evolution this way. Our knowledge of genes is limited, contrary to the science, genes are very fluid and are in a constant state of change. Everything affects them from experiences, feelings, food, the planets, EVERYTHING! The elites of the space aryans require these prized genes shaped by our struggle in order to keep their civilization from collapsing, without these genes the leader class would become incompetent as is the case with all prosperous societies, no struggle = weak men = collapse. They need a fresh supply every so often because over generations these genes dilute and so with it the code that helps to program a proper leader as well. Of course a proper leader must also be raised correctly also, the space aryans have a very complexed system in place to ensure all of the most important leaders are brought up to be Godly strong spirited individuals, the likes of Hitler. Leadership is everything. Few understand besides the space aryans.
>>530324253>We stopped transmitting a long time ago. For that very reason.No we didn’t lolPrepare to be horrified!https://sci.esa.int/web/venus-express/-/50372-radar-map-of-venus-surface> This map of the surface of Venus was created from observations accumulated during more than a decade of radar imaging of the planet. Observations made by NASA's Magellan spacecraft between 1990 and 1994 form the base of the image, with gaps in the data filled in by the Arecibo Observatory, which is based in Puerto Rico.THESE RETARDS USED GIANT RADAR EMITTERS POINTED DIRECTLY INTO OUTER SPACE WITH 99%+ OF THE ENERGY MISSING VENUS JUST SO THE ECHO WOULD HELP THEM SATIATE THEIR CURIOSITY ABOUT THE TOPOLOGY OF A USELESS INHABITABLE PLANET Earth based telescopes for more than A DECADEThen you have stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duga_radarMilitary radars and nuclear testsWe should enact a global ban on signals as fast as possible
>>530324887>We should enact a global ban on signals as fast as possibleIn the remote chance you are not a shill trying to push blue beam, worry more about AGI, WEF, WHO, UN, and the worldwide declining IQ average
>>530324253>At most anything fifty to a hundred light years from here might be able to pick up our signals AND determine they come from an intelligence not their own. After that, it's just static, having degraded to nothing. Like dropping a single drop of ink into a fountain.Not sure if that’s true given sufficiently large detectorsAt some point interferometry would be able to tell appart signals from noise (radio telescopes on different sides of a galaxy)>Quite possibly our push to digital signals may have been motivated to mask our presence. We are quiet as a tomb now.Well you’ve seen my last post now you know lol>I do not believe we are alone, at all, however our neighbors are so far away, both is space, and time and so utterly unaware of us, we may as well be.We have no idea how close our nearest neighbors are because we can’t see anything, so don’t you agree it would be a very good idea to spam telescopes as to be able to detect detectable things for a long distance around us? It is the obvious first step to focus on
>>530324465>We could pueb aside asteroids.I assume you mean push?While true, thats only true if we have years of advanced notice. They could conceivably throw dozens at us from the belt arriving in a few months. No way we could stop even one, much less multiple.Gravity tractors, thermal paint, outgassing. All those require a lot of time to work, and even just one mission would be extremely resource intensive. Even if we could do it in say a month or two, no way we could do it multiple times a month.
>>530317377Fpbp checked holy digits thread based
>>530324614>If a true space faring race makes it to shooting distance from earth, what makes you think humanity is in any position of doing anything?I’m concerned about the threats we can overcome if we act and get stronger but that would destroy us if we don’t do anythingThose are the only ones we can. Do something about anyways and there’s no reason not to try to survive them>>530324695>Understanding all the laws doesn't mean knowing how to leverage them all. Using the laws creatively is where the real power comes from. You may understand how nuclear fission works, but that doesn't mean you'll create a nuke.Semantics I more closely meant discovering all techsEither way there’s likely a finite number of useful technologies and tricks and it’s not clear how close we are to finding them all>Depends of population growth and resource usage. If you both live on planet thousands of years apart with a ton of stuff in between fighting doesn't really make sense. You have no reason to care from a resource or political stance. It really depends on their philosophy on life and diversity.If you don’t take our sapient life when you’re capable of doing so it can outgrow you and destroy you later at a point in time where you can no longer defend yourself no matter what you doIt will be too late, the only way to survive would have been to fight earlier That’s the main motivation for interstellar wars. But some aliens might exist who do it "just because". Aliens don’t have to be rational
>>530317303>So if something CAN exist, it does.Yeah. Infinitesimal chances do happen. We are that, meaning we probably burned the universe's luck in a larger-than-observable-universe radius.The Fermi paradox was made around the old assumption that Earth was an average planet in an average Solar system.New data show it's not. Earth isn't even an outlier, not even a circus-freak-tier monstrosity, it's a fucking bad statistical joke. If the events that lead to Earth are necessary for life (and they probably are) then the amount of planets around is irrelevant: you will still get less than 1 living planet per observable-universe-sized pocket.Earth is:>two planets that smashed into each other (Gaia and Theia)>this is why Earth as a near double-sized core, ensuring a fat magnetic field to protect against radiations>this is why Earth as a fat-ass moon, ensuring stable axis and a large meteorite shield>planet that form in the zone Earth is have their water fucked away and are dry as fuck, Theia was from the outer solar system and is responsible for nearly all our water>we are carbon lifeforms (no silicium ones wont happen), Theia is also reponsible for Earth having way more carbon than it shouldSolar system:>having the giant planet away from the center and acting as a large meteorite shield while leaving the habitable zone to rock planet is abnormal>simulation show we used to have one more that got unstable and pushed everyone in the current ideal configuration on its way out>sun is doing a constant overshoot/undershoot of the galactic disk, minimizing the time we spend in supernova-rich region tremendously (lot of extinction event happened exactly when we were crossing the disk)Life:>mitochondria (powerhouse of the fuckoff) happened *once* in the entire evolution tree, and is really fucking needed for anything complex enough to form civilizationsIt's a festival of statistical improbabilities. We are probably genuily alone in "our" universe.
>>530317303Nothing. Total, utter emptiness of life. Trillions upon trillions of empty dead planets, made of sterile dead rock or cold lifeless water. Not even a sign of bacteria to be found in the waters, not even a single bit of moss or fungus to be found on the rocks. Endless emptiness.
>>530317303>What’s the worst thing we could find in space?Niggers. Space Nigger, if you will.
>>530317303>We wuz avatar and shiiieeet
>>530324887Still, by the time anyone close enough to matter could detect that, it would seem either a natural spacial phenomenon or just noise indescribable from all the other noise.Heh, I just had a thought.Maybe "static" isn't the remnants of the bigbang but it's all the electrical slop generated by millions of intelligent species over billions of years just messing up the place.The only real way we could be discovered or discover another species would be through spectral analysis. Even then, that depends on our and their understanding of life and what markers would need to be present to support such life. Even then we and they wouldn't be absolutely certain until a closer inspection could be made for signs of civilization.On a somewhat related note, I'll be going to an actual theatre for the first time in almost a decade to see Project Hail Mary on the 23rd.There is literally no reason to worry anon none at all. Chiefly because there is dick all anyone can do about it.And even if we could, YOU can't. So don't stress about it.
>>530317303>So if something CAN exist, it does. Especially if the universe is infinite beyond the parts we can see.yes but it is also very young. the conditions to create our solar system arose very soon after the big bang, relative to the projected lifespan of the universe so my obtuse but truthful answer is: nothing>big bang 13 billion years ago>earth formed 4.5 billion years ago>projected life of universe: between 10^14 and 10^100 yearsnow consider if aliens got the same head start as us, at best they'd be on the same footing + or - a couple billion yearsfurther affronts to entropy (that's what we and our environment are, an offensively improbable, increasingly-organized collection of matter) can theoretically design even MORE improbably organized affronts to entropyin other words, barring some Great Filter, we've barely gotten started in the game of how much the universe can reverse its own entropy by thinking and manipulating spacetime
>>530317377Adeptus Iudaeus
>>530317303A giant floppy penis alien
>>530317303We are all made with AI, nothing is real
>>530317377Fuck, I came here to post this verbatim. Well done.
>>530317303Heavy object passing by the solar system could fuck up our orbit and we would all freeze. Unlikely. More likely than aliens. Most likely issue would just be a big asteroid, would be hard to stop if big enough.If the speed of light can't be beaten (no warp and wirmholes drives that depend on exotic matter), the bearest other solar system is four light years away (minimum travel time). We are confined by the speed of light more than anything else. That is the worst part of space.And the nearest other solar system sucks. There is a planet, but it is gravitationally locked (same side always faces sun) and it's a flare star (likes to create violent solar storms, like most or all red dwarfs).
>>530317303>So if something CAN exist, it does.10^31 is fewer than the number of possible variations of 52 base pairs of DNA. Humans have a little over 3 billion base pairs, a DNA length which represents more than 10^1800000000 possible variations. There are way, way more than 10^31 possible regular, unremarkable humans who would fit in without remark in the current world population.
>>530325323>We have no idea how close our nearest neighbors areYes we do, assuming anyone is there, they cant be any closer than about 4.5 light years.With relativistic sub light engines, it would take roughly 80 years to get there, or them here. We would certainly see them coming unless extremely advanced or novel propulsion of some sort.They would light up the night sky putting on the brakes.
>>530326207He said WORST, anon
>>530317303Your mom’s giant dildo
>>530317405I think Jews simply occupy a niche that occurs in intelligent species. If it weren't for them, someone else would take their place and behave like them. So yes, there are probably space Jews. Just like space niggers, space gypsies, space jeets etc.
>>530325347>While true, thats only true if we have years of advanced notice. That’s why in this thread I advocate for getting our shit together as a species= having millions of tons of ships with good engines around the solar system and a lot of space industryToday we couldn’t do much it’s a matter of the size of their forces vs ours. If a species only sends a tiny weapon, be it a colony ship, something that pushes asteroids or a warship, it might be possible to defeat it because they could only send something very small at lightspeed compared to their industrial ability while we don’t have to worry about extreme speeds just intercepting to packageThe type of attack you propose is a low sophistication attack, it’s likely they can do much more dangerous stuff if they have the ability to make interstellar ships. Just crashing one into a planet would represent similar levels or energy to an asteroid pushed into earth and would be far harder to stop>They could conceivably throw dozens at us from the belt arriving in a few months. No way we could stop even one, much less multiple.Today no but it would be fairly easy to do The larger issue is if they go for slow speed attacks like this (decelerating at our system ) they likely would have military assets to protect their asteroidsThe most practical ways is to crash into the asteroids (cracking them at range is likely good enough to make all fragments miss) and the other option is docking with engines using the asteroids as reaction mass KSP style. That’s impossible to do if they dock a giant death ray on the asteroid and we can’t destroy all the weapons and ships they have protecting these asteroids in time.
>>530317377was gonna post this
>>530318737They would actually solve all of earths problems if they got the jews while they were at it.>t. has seen the movie 3 times.
>>530317695>technology and morality are not the same thingmorality is a technologyit's a self-propagating meme subject to natural selectionmoral systems that lead to better group survival outcomes will naturally outlast those that lead to worse group survival outcomesthere is a time-tested objectivity behind morals including systems for resolving moral conflicts between groups, and systems for correcting or removing deviants within the group ranging from reward & mild chastisement all the way to execution-for-apostasyI used to be a relativist tooask me more about moral objectivity
>>530325926That’s the timeline if creationism is trueWay preferable to aliens existing. If the cosmos is empty nothing can harm us, and it’s not like we got bored before in the past from the lack of aliens. Most people throughout history didn’t even know other planets existed, one guy got burned alive for saying stars were other suns like a few hundred years ago in Europe no less, it wasn’t a common idea in the past that all the stars were sun with planets, people didn’t think about aliens and didn’t get bored. The whole "either were alone either were not both are just as bad" quote is so dumb. It’s so much worse if we’re not alone. If were alone it’s just same old same old but with the assurance we’re safe
>>530318576there are hundreds of invasive species that humans would very much like to render locally extinct, and can'taustralians are vastly superior to emus by almost any metric relevant to combat and logistics, and yet
>>530326084>Still, by the time anyone close enough to matter could detect that, it would seem either a natural spacial phenomenon or just noise indescribable from all the other noise.Unless they have fucking massive detection arraysMegastructure scale detectors >Maybe "static" isn't the remnants of the bigbang but it's all the electrical slop generated by millions of intelligent species over billions of years just messing up the place.lol>The only real way we could be discovered or discover another species would be through spectral analysis. Even then, that depends on our and their understanding of life and what markers would need to be present to support such life. We’re talking civs more advanced than us (Less advanced ones can’t threaten us or detect us)Even with the exact same tech as us a species with vastly more industry would be able to scan all particle and energy bands with incredible precision and have pretty thorough and accurate models of what constitutes a technosignature>On a somewhat related note, I'll be going to an actual theatre for the first time in almost a decade to see Project Hail Mary on the 23rd.Looks like normie slop I’m not sure what it’s about>There is literally no reason to worry anon none at all. Chiefly because there is dick all anyone can do about it.Step by step, everything is built upon precious effort, we can do things like advocate for a ban on space signals, cultural advocacy for more space industry and science spending >And even if we could, YOU can't. So don't stress about it.You underestimate my ability to enact big changes, I’m pretty good at the whole butterfly effect puppet master thing
>>530326523Oh...you sweet summer child.Niggers anon...Niggers prevent that.Niggers are our great barrier and we have yet to cross it. As of right now, humanity is doomed, regardless if little green men want to eat us.The path we are on right now will ensure that humanity dies on this rock.Specifically I should say our suicidal empathy is the great barrier. Niggers are merely the anvil humanity is beaten upon to ensure our demise.Our best bet would be to build a few generational ark ships and leave all the niggers behind.It would have to be in secret so as they don't know about it.However something tells me that it is already too late anyway. There seems to be a general sense of malaise permeating humanity right now. One that can only be explained by some dire known event soon to occur, and to keep the peace and forestall any massive panic, it is being kept from the general population.I recommend simply not worrying about it. As stated earlier... nothing we can do, and certainly nothing you personally can do, regardless of the scenario.
>>530326752fun fact, due to everything drifting away from us, the night sky will be empty of everything but the milky way in 100 billion to 150 billion years. if we forget about the stars at that point we'll never find them again. at the end they will only be visible through telescopes, and then not at all. a sentient species that develops in the future will have a hard time figuring out even the basics like parallax and orbital mechanics.
>>530327162Just because the microphone is bigger, it doesn't make the sound clearer...just louder.Stop worrying.What are you..20-22?Thats not a >What are you, twelve?Meme dig. You just seem young enough to actually care about life is all.
>>530326173>now consider if aliens got the same head start as us, at best they'd be on the same footing + or - a couple billion yearsI’d say aliens that are "a couple billion years younger than us" are cause for concern >further affronts to entropy (that's what we and our environment are, an offensively improbable, increasingly-organized collection of matter) can theoretically design even MORE improbably organized affronts to entropyI think information theory is dumb but if we step away from the broken autism and just define a notion of matter being put in a coherent state (like going from a rock to a piece of a machine that talks to a. Machine hive mind) then sure>in other words, barring some Great Filter, we've barely gotten started in the game of how much the universe can reverse its own entropy by thinking and manipulating spacetimeOk but that’s not a very practical concern it’s more losing yourself in ideasA practical concern is "are space chuds going to show up tomorrow and push in our shit, and what can we do to maximize our odds of survival given all potential futures and threats"Though I suspect you might not even value humanity over a more advanced species that wipes us out, it’s kind of a debate but on that I’m just taking the Napoleon approach, might as well, siding with your side because it’s yours
>>530326248>More likely than aliens. We don’t know how many small black holes there are because we can’t see shit because we don’t have any telescopes But assuming they don’t exist or are very rare the threats would be stars and rogue planets flying very close to us >Most likely issue would just be a big asteroid, would be hard to stop if big enough.Yes but both these issues can be sidestepped entirely if we learn to life without the earth. Full on space existence, something I advocate for. >If the speed of light can't be beaten (no warp and wirmholes drives that depend on exotic matter), the bearest other solar system is four light years away (minimum travel time). We are confined by the speed of light more than anything else. That is the worst part of space.Yes c is super slowhttps://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.htmlClick the button at the bottom right to see how slow light is this is the real scale of the solar systemIt’s awful, it’s so fucking slow lol
>>530317377came here to post this
>>530326343>they cant be any closer than about 4.5 light years.Well duh lolIt’s absurdly improbably that scenario is kinda below my expectations even in the worst case scenario, sci fi loves putting aliens at alpha Centauri but we would probably detect aliens if there were this many>With relativistic sub light engines, it would take roughly 80 years to get there, or them here. We would certainly see them coming unless extremely advanced or novel propulsion of some sort.I am confident we are so fucking blind observation ability wise that it’s not a guaranteedEven low tech low sophistication warfare, basic reaction engines and sunlight warships and mining, we would have difficulty spotting. We do NOT scan all the sky constantly, let alone have very high resolution sensitive telescopes in all directions at once A short burn might be missed or it might not have enough relative luminance to be detectable >They would light up the night sky putting on the brakes.If they do it far away that’s the inverse square law and we have very very shit detectors And we don’t know when they would have departed so it’s not really a useful thought experiment, they could have been heading here from far before we sent signals to space for any number of reasons The time to first contact is truly impossible to predict, your example is just one scenario of first contact, it could be before or billions of years from nowMy argument is that no matter when it is we don’t lose anything by building up fast and getting ready to face a storm that will hopefully never come
>>530326641Based memetics revivalist>>530326990Yeah but that argument doesn’t work too well when we’re being hunted by a non lazy intelligent species We probably could wipe our mosquitoes if we methodically went grid square by grid square looking under every branch and lead with lasers assistance Aliens don’t need to do that they just need to destroy or cripple the earth which is pretty easy and hunt down a few stragglers in space. That’s WAY easier than removing cockroaches or mosquitoesEven without planet killing weapons you could just park a fleet in high earth orbit, bomb every launch site and industry humanity has, and build up weapons in space until they can move on to depopulation bombing then ground assault to finish us off
>>530327162>Looks like normie slop I’m not sure what it’s about The guy that wrote The Martian.Feel good alien movie.World ending apocalypse occurring, send space ship to distant star to figure out how to stop it, meet alien friend having the same problem.The book was very good, easily read in a day if you're so inclined.The author was also heavily involved in the production of the movie, so It seems like it might be good if they stick to the book.There are several copies of the book on piratebay. And like I said, EASY read, and quite enjoyable. Maybe it'll take your mind off the nonsense.My recommendations are sound, I'm extremely particular in the media I consume.
>>530327261Im not too worried about idiocracification and the browns. Intellectuals will notice this is an issue and enact plans for global eugenism. Me included. 5-10 big brained people can defeat 5-10 billion nigsTechnology too is a solution, right now natural selection and women are destroying the species, but artificial wombs and gene editing changes that fully. If you can mass produce 200 IQ primarchs like you produce soda cans, nigs become a past tense problem. Counties like China and Israel might do it soon South Korea already tried human cloning, the tech was bs but culturally they don’t have an issue. It was backed by the state for repopulation of Korea so they literally planned to make millions of clones already backed then and it was officially supported by the state apparatus>>530327324Only 150 billions? Way shorter then I expected I wonder how this space expansion thing works for space travelAs I mentioned already I’m convince general relativity is false but it’s not like I have a proven alternative mathThe fact things are drifting away from us faster than light is one of the reason I’m convinced it’s bs But the unanswered question is if it’s possible to reach these places within the laws of the universe (and not current incorrect understanding)If we can’t do ftl can we reach places moving from us FTL? If it’s spatial expansion as the current theory states I feel like maybe it’s possible And if the light limit is just false then we can also go faster than light directly and in both cases we can catch up We cannot catch up if light limit is true and if space expansion is so local that you can’t escape it’s effect even when moving across space
>>530327604agreedpractically speaking, we would defend ourselves from billion year+ advanced aliens the same way arabs defend from 10.000kg bombs: we don't. but some of us survive like roaches anyway.I'm confident that all the stereotypes about arabs or americans or russians being hard to invade/subdue/occupy applies to all humanity. from an outside perspective, we are hardcore N-selected survivalists. we are closer to roaches than polar bears. even the french, you guys colonized some of the scariest parts of canada. can an alien pursue every last human in the yukon or appalachia without scorching the whole planet? not one that finds our planet useful as is. how the fuck are they going to take iran?I'd give humans really good odds of fighting an insurgency until they get fed up.
>>530327940We are actually able to find rogue planets and such by looking for gravitarional lensing caused by such an object. I think people are just starting with this, though.
>>530327482>Just because the microphone is bigger, it doesn't make the sound clearer...just louder.If it’s wider then it makes it clearer too Aperture size >Meme dig. You just seem young enough to actually care about life is all.No, I thought about nihilism when I was younger, and came to the conclusion that might as well care about stuff while I’m alive because there’s not much else to do, so I care because what else am I supposed to spend my time doing? Maxing out dopamine detectors? Meh might as well do something cool instead like a galaxy spanning imperium of man. Who knows we might even discover the nature of reality along the way
probably some kind of self-replicating rogue AI machine race of exterminators
>>530317303A void. No living thing would survive FTL travel, assuming it's even possible. The odds of a planet supporting life, let alone complex life at or beyond our level, the resources needed for space travel, within distance of us and existing at the same time, are virtually impossible.
>>530328850>The guy that wrote The Martian.>Feel good alien movie.>World ending apocalypse occurring, send space ship to distant star to figure out how to stop it, meet alien friend having the same problem.I saw weird space magic effects in the trailer that’s why I’m not too confident about itI’m more of a no fun allowed hard sci fi guy, my interest in sci fi is to think about pieces of wisdom applicable to the real world>The book was very good, easily read in a day if you're so inclined.>The author was also heavily involved in the production of the movie, so It seems like it might be good if they stick to the book.>There are several copies of the book on piratebay. And like I said, EASY read, and quite enjoyable. Maybe it'll take your mind off the nonsense.Never been there I usually pirate by other waysHow do you access it is it tor or clear web? And how do you avoid fake URLs (if it constantly changes) and viruses inside files torrents and executables? Maybe im a bit risk averse but I never risked getting viruses, I’ve never had a single one on any computer I owned >My recommendations are sound, I'm extremely particular in the media I consume.I recommend the Chinese youtube series savages if you like space stuff it’s the best space sci fi anyone has ever made, perfectly scientifically accurate hard sci fi military political drama
Leftists
>>530317303OP hasn't taken the space is fake and gay pill yet.
>>530317303Tyrannid Hive.-mutates life on the planet it makes contact with-overruns everything on it-its only goal is to consume organic matter to grow moreSpace jews.-deceiver and schemer species-pretends to be a peaceful alien race that wants to integrate your planet into its society for mutual benefit but actually only tries to remove all native life from the planet and drain its resources (for reference: Half-Life 2, X-Com 2, Stargate)
>>530317303Fuck off retard.>>>/x/
>>530329373>agreed>practically speaking, we would defend ourselves from billion year+ advanced aliens the same way arabs defend from 10.000kg bombs: we don't. but some of us survive like roaches anyway.>I'm confident that all the stereotypes about arabs or americans or russians being hard to invade/subdue/occupy applies to all humanity. from an outside perspective, we are hardcore N-selected survivalists. we are closer to roaches than polar bears. This exact line of thinking was in three bodybproblem idk if it’s your inspiration In the Chinese tencent series, the cool cop character tries to cheer up the scientists after they realise aliens have disabled all human particle colliders and they can’t unfuck them (=no particle physics = no advanced weapons) and so they’re convinced humanity is gonna die and there’s no hopeSo the fool cop has a heroic speech about how humanity will be like locust and how even though we don’t have tech well survive by surviving like cockroaches, it’s the feel good moment at the end of the series /first Tencent seasonWell Long story short he’s wrong lol, many aliens have solar system killing weapons and humans only survive due to plot armor so there could continue to be characters observing the universe lol >even the french, you guys colonized some of the scariest parts of canada. can an alien pursue every last human in the yukon or appalachia without scorching the whole planet? Yes>not one that finds our planet useful as is. how the fuck are they going to take iran?Total drone spamOrbital satellites that detect every movement or even putting security cameras every 5 meter accros the entire planet is fully possible and even trivial >I'd give humans really good odds of fighting an insurgency until they get fed up.No this is a skynet situation, first disarmament then depopulation then landfall then cuffing the planets into sectors and cells that are wiped out methodically then spamming surveillance everywhere.
>>530317303More jews.
>>530328690>We probably could wipe our mosquitoes if we methodically went grid square by grid square looking under every branch and lead with lasers assistancenah, they move, they even breed while you're moving between grid squares.think about this, los angeles county spends some part of its $843 million homelessness strategy budget on an annual "Greater Los Angeles Homeless Count"RAND, the most esteemed national security think tank in america, did a review of the homeless count, which is fucking odd, but anyway, they determined the count was off by up to 30%.https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA4438-1.html^ that report might actually give you some clues as to how big this logistical problem iseveryone thinks if we just shot every terrorist and his cousins we would have won in afghanistan, but shooting every terrorist and his cousins is really hard, even if you have the will. the british declared no quarter on their enemies a few times and it never worked. extermination is hard. I wonder how you would quantify the logistics and tech advantage of US vs vietnam, or australia vs emus.
>>530329460>We are actually able to find rogue planets and such by looking for gravitarional lensing caused by such an object. I think people are just starting with this, though.We haven’t detected anything beyond 100 or so AU and they’re all huge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solar_System_objects_most_distant_from_the_SunSort the list by distance at detectionGravitational lensing sure but I don’t think humanity even had a constantly scanning high res telescope that maps the entire sky with enough precision to see something like thisYour technique sounds like something only a telescope with a narrow field of vision could do by pointing in the same direction with long exposure in hopes of finding one. Either way we need way more telescopes. Like a thousand times more
>>530329797>How do you access it is it tor or clear web? And how do you avoid fake URLs (if it constantly changes) and viruses inside files torrents and executables?Clear web. I have many devices that I use for the clear web that have no information on me aside from location. Been using PB for decades now never an issue. I used a cellphone to get the book, read it before bed. Honestly could have kept reading it all the way through but had to get up early.Its not fantasy sci-fi... Like Star wars, but it is about as hard sci fi as star trek. r*ddit types will tell you its hard sci fi, but they're idiots. Doesn't take away from the enjoyment though, and really you have to be super pedantic and highly scientific to let the few foibles in the story ruin it for you.I just really enjoyed the book, and the trailers ive seen seem fairly close to how I pictured it, for the most part. Honestly I think subconsciously I want the movie to totally fuck it up so I can be an insufferable prick to anyone that likes it lol. Who knows, maybe it will be very good and I'll have a great time. Not like I have anything else to do.
>>530317303Why do movie aliens look like the fetal alcohol syndrome offspring of Robert DeNiro?
>>530326641>moral systems that lead to better group survival outcomes will naturally outlast those that lead to worse group survival outcomesOnce a species becomes too advanced to go extinct, this stops being the case. Psychopaths might have been bred out of the gene pool in tribalistic societies, but not in societies with millions of members where being a psychopath doesn't mean you get excluded and die. There is no reason to think that we have to get rich of the emperor death cults in order to obtain space travel.
>>530317303>implying space is real
>>530326641>>530330833on the contrary, the bigger a species gets, the more self beneficial it is to be a psychopath. the people ruling us are not hippies.
>>530330832holy shit, what a waste of genes
>>530329355>As I mentioned already I’m convince general relativity is falsekek I have a similar heuristiceinstein proved newton was a retarded little baby (to be fair to newton, he was aware of this, pic related)eventually someone will do the same to einstein and in many ways we already havewhy would we be correct about the projected age of the universe? it's more likely at this point we are incorrect. but a good bayesian can entertain the possibility of something being partially true for practical purposes. general relativity is about 85% true for anything I would use it for.>The fact things are drifting away from us faster than light is one of the reason I’m convinced it’s bsis that so? I learned all this a decade ago now.>If we can’t do ftl can we reach places moving from us FTL?as you said, "maybe"we can't bend spacetime, until we canor any of many solutions beyond my imaginationwhat seems most likely to me is that matter is a delusion unique to our ape brainstangibility is an illusion to keep us sane, inextricable from our organizational state.reality is an equationthis means I can't rule out the possibility that sentient beings can accomplish things that might as well be pure magic from our materialist perspective
>>530329790Technically possible = some are doing it in such a vast universeTotally impossible would be great it would mean we were safe but sadly even proven basic technology can allow for interstellar travel given enough time Terrible engines + hibernation + mining at the destination means you can colonise everything with voyages that take tens o millennia. And if it’s possible someone is doing itAnd so is space warfare under such harsh conditions>>530330307>extermination is hard. I am an unhinged tryhardI really like that time Alexander the Great built a giant land bridge to a fortress island or the romans doing the same to a hill fortress by building a literal artificial mountain with shovels while being shot at just so they could kiII jewsAny task can be completed by tryhaeding hard enoughYou could cover the entire planet in mosquito killing lasers for instance that would be what, a few tens of billions of units? 300 billion cost? Doable with sufficient willpowerAlso I know there’s like a super nasty species of parasitic fly that Americans tried to exterminate and succeeded back just after WW2, but then Hispanics ruined everything and instead of the species being wiped out fully they were just wiped out from North America with a never ending blocade at panama. They breed billions of infertile flies that fuck the wild ones without producing babies and it works to drive their numbers to literally 0So maybe that approach could work with mosquitoes Anyways aliens would likely have many millennia and her willpower to wipe our humans it’s far easier (were bigger and need more resources to survive than small insects) and were an existential threat vs insectoid pest that is just a nuisance
>>530330272you convinced meI also went looking for some data>While often difficult and costly once a species is established, eradication projects have achieved an 88% success rate for mammals and 82% for birds in over 1,200 documented island cases.apparently it's not that hard, the germans are just incompetent
>>530317377Too late. Orion Alliance is composed of evil reptilians and greys and they have a financial system which was the basis for ours. On the other hand, Galactic Federation doesn't use money. They give you stuff for free, if you have earned your place (earning your place there automatically means you are not a greedy lunatic).
>>530317303Space Jews.
>>530330307>I wonder how you would quantify the logistics and tech advantage of US vs vietnam, or australia vs emus.I haven’t studied Vietnam enough https://youtube.com/watch?v=HIGECcZZDHkI’m not sure if this video/Chanel is AI or not (It’s that bad already hey?)But if it’s made by a very butthurt Aussie and real information it shows Americans were extremely sloppy and the opposite of tryhard minmaxers back in VietnamCompared to the Aussie special forces that tried to get every minute advantage and apparently had a KD of 500 to 1Either way the entire military apparatus minmaxing everything to this extend would create an easy victory. In war you win by not leaving any possibility to win for the opponent open. You make all ways to defeat you impossible. Patch every single vulnerability every single blindsight. That’s how you win America had industrial manpower troop motivation and moral vulnerabilitiesThe objective also needs to be decided. Many wars have been won by psychology alone, Cesar (conquered Gaul without a battle just convinced them to join rome, vercingerorix was after they had already joined willingly), Alexander conquests, mongol conquests (surrender or get massacred like that other city next to you) or the unification of Italy (perfidious anglos lying about an Italian guy winning battle after battle until he had so much aura everyone surrendered instantly, he never fought)You need to set up the scopeFor the emu war I think it was 2 maxhineguns So insufficient assets Setting up a system of for instance snipers paid per emu killed and having outposts like firewatch stations but for emu killers maintained over years would have been my approach The approach they chose would have worked if they aimed better/had better guns + had a lot more Likely cluster bomb artillery would have worked better I’m pretty sure they make herds
>>530330833>>530330917once our species grew to that point, we started selecting for high-functioning psychopaths to serve in government and corporate leadership roles.you could argue that this was a mistake, growing our society to a point where we no longer control our own destinies and outsource it to psychopaths instead (see Ted K.)but I believe it demonstrates the survival of the fittest in actionperhaps the west has experienced moral decay. perhaps our values will be subsumed by different values that pay more dividends in survival and life quality instead of just human biomassmaxxing like its 1750.
>>530325323>We have no idea how close our nearest neighbors are because we can’t see anything, so don’t you agree it would be a very good idea to spam telescopes as to be able to detect detectable things for a long distance around us?Just because we cannot detect anything doesn't mean they do not exist. It is very likely Mars currently has life. Samples have been collected but it will likely be over a decades before we can pick then up and fly back to earth and analyze. If 2 planets in a solar system contain life then it is very likely that life is very common. Some of the old Soviet pictures from venus contain photos of things that seem to hint at life and those images are over 40 years old. If that is true then 3 planets have life if Mars also has life so then life is widely abundant.The question is if any has become intelligent to the point they have started to change their landscape or achieve space travel.I think the real key is at what point does chemistry become biology. And if that can be detected on planets to then be able to more accurately search for intelligent life.
>>530317303A highly advanced civilization that thinks humans are tasty
Jews cannot be allowed to enter the White man's domain (space) AT ALL COSTS.IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT SPACEFLIGHT-CAPABLE SUPERPOWERS DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO PREVENT JEWS FROM LEAVING THIS ROCK.
>>530317303More brown people.
>>530330780>I have many devices that I use for the clear web that have no information on me aside from location. How? Internet providers require private information here in France, you need to show ID and security number for cell service or wifi>not like I had anything else to doWas it you who told me I can’t do anything? See if you just did funny stuff like going to DC to crash a party full of senators instead of trying to find a way to pass time maybe you’d realise it’s much easier than you think to change events >>530330832>Why do movie aliens look like the fetal alcohol syndrome offspring of Robert DeNiro?AT LEAST IT DIED In fire and ash the latest movie he gets mowed down at the corner of the screen by some human weaponry lol GOODImagine we go to other planet and we find brocoli haired mulatos it would be peak cosmic horror >they’re here too
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>>530317303Dead is dead life is lifeIts all about contextOur lives are in God's hands anywayWe could be munched by a meteordie of a brain aneurysm, heart attack,car wreck, cancer all kinds of things.Time is the difference between right and wrong.We are the accumulation of ourcharacter choices.
>>530324253To be fair, A 100 ly bubble is about 10 000 of our closest stars. And the 100 ly's is the approximate time the signals could travel. I vaguely remember that with our current most sensitive tech we could detect our most powerful omni directional signal from 200 lys away. but I can't back that source up its only a vague recollection. A more advanced technology might be way more sensitive but the square cube law does mean that eventually the signal will fade away. But that also was on the assumption that we knew exactly what we were looking for and what it meant.
>>530330833>sychopaths might have been bred out of the gene pool in tribalistic societies, but not in societies with millions of members where being a psychopath doesn't mean you get excluded and die.Individuals don’t behave like psychopaths. The civilisation itself becomes a super organism and itself acts like a psychopath>>530331092>is that so? I learned all this a decade ago now.Yes, distant galaxies straight up move away relative us several times faster than the speed of lightTheir come hand wave explanation is that "achually there’s two spatial coordinates, space and a second layer space is on, and you don’t go faster than light on space space is just expanding on this second layer"But there is absolutely 0 proof of that, all observations are consistent with just the galaxies moving from us faster than light in space, without space itself expanding, it’s just something they invented with no evidence to salvage the theory they based their careers around it’s pretty fucked upThe speed measurement is redshift so some have had the idea that maybe something other than speed causes the redshift which is definitely maybe possible>>530331487>apparently it's not that hard, the germans are just incompetentlol
>>530331178>They breed billions of infertile flies that fuck the wild ones without producing babies and it works to drive their numbers to literally 0they better come with porn and sexbots then>>530331800garibaldi was a scam? why did the anglos want to sow unity instead of discord as usual? oh, I suppose they wanted italy to be strong so it wouldn't be absorbed by austria or france.we forced japan to industrialize and arm itself for the same reason, to make them strong enough to contain russia. then they invaded half of asia.
>>530331949>Just because we cannot detect anything doesn't mean they do not exist. It is very likely Mars currently has life.Not relevant (threatening our existence) life thoughOnly intelligent life is dangerous, non intelligent threats can be managed. Intelligent threats adapt to you adaptation and never let go > Samples have been collected but it will likely be over a decades before we can pick then up and fly back to earth and analyze. NASA funding is such a joke sadly>If 2 planets in a solar system contain life then it is very likely that life is very common. Intra solar panspermia is definitely possibleMore interesting if it’s in the oceans of one of the several ice moons with oceans we haveEither way what matters is again intelligent life. If life is everywhere but intelligent life is still rare it doesn’t really matter how many plants worms fish and bacteria are everywhere. So long as it can’t make deadly space weapons it’s not really a concern>Some of the old Soviet pictures from venus contain photos of things that seem to hint at life and those images are over 40 years old. If that is true then 3 planets have life if Mars also has life so then life is widely abundant.Meh I doubt it remember them all being weathered rocks on some sort of sand or gravel ground layer What would life be in this picture there was no clear fossil not eve stromatolites, just battered rocks If the theories that Venus was once earth like are true though it’s possible it had life for a whileQuite sad isn’t it that we were possibly in a solar system with 3 habitable planets at one point>I think the real key is at what point does chemis if that can be detected on planets to then be able to more accurately search for intelligent life.I’m so vastly more worried about intelligent space fairing kind that I would prefer to put most money allocation in SETI to direct detection rather than theory crafting and fine tuning the parameters of the Drake equation
>>530317436Why blow up the planet when you can just see it with Jews and let everyone suffer and slowly die instead, also don’t forget to let irrational women control everything and lie about men 100% of the time, that’s the real extinction event
>>530331002oh no not a mutt mixture becoming a mutt mixture
>>530332082Right now they own most space capable superpowers>>530332214Your bird rats are downright unfuckable>>530332543>I vaguely remember that with our current most sensitive tech we could detect our most powerful omni directional signal from 200 lys away.Yeah but I’m worried about species that turn entire solar systems into radar detector arrays instead of dyson swarms We absolutely need a global ban on sending signals to spaceAll nuke tests should be performed underground, all space telescopes that emit radio waves should be permanently disabled and their emitters dismantled, and militaries should be incentivized to use radars that spew less radiation into space through devil in the detail type optimisation and mutual treaties and even bribes
They are too far away. Grow up and focus problems here on Earth.
What if aliens are not violents but are pedophiles? Would be worth to sacrifice human children to stay on their good side?
>>530317303Galactic Nigger Empire
>>530317401More likely to find space dolphins with their rape nebulaSpiders can't handle the gravitational force necessary for escape velocityBut rape spiders would indeed be scary, with their impregnating ovipositors
>>530317405Jews who were instigating two galactic empires to fight while providing both with banking services at usurious ratesAnd criminal networks selling drugs to their youths
>>530332640>garibaldi was a scam? Yes lol they just pushed propaganda about him being a god of war I don’t think he fought a single battle >why did the anglos want to sow unity instead of discord as usual? oh, I suppose they wanted italy to be strong so it wouldn't be absorbed by austria or france.Yes The eternal Anglo, perfidious Albion always tried to sow disunity in Europe... wicked wicked Anglo...Funny story FRANCE supported Italian unification too. Don’t ask me why I think it was under Napoleon III which wasn’t exactly the most competent strategist ever >we forced japan to industrialize then they invaded half of asia.They contained communism in China then America destroyed them and cried when Soviets + Chinese collies took over China And Japan was pushed to hostile relationships with America from oil embargo and other embargo’s other "hUmAnITarIan ConCeRns" over all the rape Japan was doing probablyJapan then being insane just declared war on everyone they’re mildly hostile toNo actually scrap that they went to war with everyone near them, no exception except Thailand which was still very far from Japan, likely would have turned on them laterAnd also Kissinger for no reason made China super strong through American aid and the result is they’re still close allies of Russia today but now have way more industry than AmericaWTF did he mean by this ?>>530333275The best way to fight aliens is literally the standard industrial production Getting better technology and industrializing space. It’s what we’re going to do anyways, the existence of aliens just add a bit of urgency to the process Then there’s very basic stuff that costs us nothing we can do today like a global treaty to ban detectable signals sent into space or building more space telescopes for early warning and protection. Those things would cost us 0.0001% of global gdp not even an exaggeration but would make us a fair bit safer from extra terrestrial threats
>>530333858>the standard industrial productionProgression*no signals towards space + more industry + space industry + better technology + space telescopes Is how you fight aliensIt’s not like it’s a detour or makes us do anything significantly differently
>>530332640Speaking of wars and psychology, Alexander conquered some Phoenician cities, that he was besieging, the following wayThey wanted to see the resolve of the invading army before committing themselves to either surrender or resistance, and so Alexander somehow despite just becoming king and not having been there for a long time ordered his men to jump off the cliff to their death, which they didAfter like 4 in a row the city defenders were like "ok fuck that" and immediately surrendered lmaoThe only other example in history where I know of a commander being able to order their men to lull themselves as a flex is the leader of the assassin order (I think Turk occupied Iran and drugged you religions Iranians who assassinzted turkish officials until none were willing to replace them which worked and ended the occupation) and a story where in the same manner he ordered his drugged our cult member to jump off the cliff to impress guests to his hideout Japanese kamikaze was more peer pressured into it and not fully willing, with heavy consequences if they refused for them and their family But you compare the resolve of let’s say American troops today and the soldiers of Alexander who are literally willing to jump off cliffs if ordered and you can see why an empire is defeated and runs away while the other conquered the known world
>>530333230>and militaries should be incentivized to use radars that spew less radiation into space through devil in the detail type optimisation and mutual treaties and even bribesto be fair this is naturally the case. I've always been a fan of the F35, but to me the reason why I always thought it was the premier plane of the future wasn't because of its radar, or stealth, performance or bomb load, but because of its passive sensor system that could detect and mark enemy radio emissions without needing to expose itself with its own wide area radar. Its like evolving the eye when everything else is still navigating by touch.
>>530334692incredibletypically, one employs a pointy object to make jumping seem more survivable than not jumpingthey were CERTAIN his word was the only waywhich means his command carried all the weight of imminent stabbing straight to the reptilian brainI wouldn't believe it of anyone else, but it neatly explains how he drove them all the way to indiacasear would have had to at least whip them off the cliff
>>530317303>What’s the worst thing we could find in space?Observing nearby stars micronova as the galactic current sheet energizes our part of the galaxy. Remnants of civilizations reset by the 12,000 disaster cycle caused by the galactic current sheet.That's about it.
>>530322867>The first broadcasts ever to escape the atmosphere were nazi speechesbased, our neighborhood should be red-pilled on the jews by now
>>530333230Please do not fuck the rat birds
>>530317303what's with that nigger mop-haircut?
>>530334758>I've always been a fan of the F35, but to me the reason why I always thought it was the premier plane of the future wasn't because of its radar, or stealth, performance or bomb load, but because of its passive sensor system that could detect and mark enemy radio emissions without needing to expose itself with its own wide area radar. >Its like evolving the eye when everything else is still navigating by touch.It’s closer to evolving ear when everyone else navigates by echolocationIt’s a bit more natural with sonar, passive sonar is very simple you just listen to soundsActive sonar is more advanced and it’s the equivalent for radarAnyways the ground radars still blast their wave upwards towards the sky and into space And then there’s that fucking thingApparently was heard louder than all other local radio sources in the middle of flyover states America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duga_radarYou mix that with giant passive radar telescope arrays and suddenly we’re very detectable>>530335432I don’t know if it was by threats or fanaticism or perhaps honor idkIf he threatened to stab loyal soldiers if they don’t kill them selves I feel like that would be massively unpopular for a commander and make troops disloyal/plan mutinies soon after
>>530335432This is the story today> The king, approaching the battlements above the invading army, agreed to hear Alexander’s demands.>“Surrender to me immediately,” commanded Alexander.>The king laughed. “Why should I surrender to you?” he called down. “We have you far outnumbered. You are no threat to us!”>Alexander was ready to answer the challenge. “Allow me to demonstrate why you should surrender,” he replied. Alexander ordered his men to line up single file and start marching. He marched them straight toward a sheer cliff that dropped hundreds of feet to rocks below.>The king and his soldiers watched in shocked disbelief as, one by one, Alexander’s soldiers marched without hesitation right off the cliff to their deaths. After ten soldiers had died, Alexander ordered the rest of his men to stop and to return to his side.>The king and his soldiers surrendered on the spot to Alexander the Great.Hard to say what part of it is real if it is real or what parts were modified from what really happenedIt’s pretty surprising how few nations throughout history have employed spies going deep undercover to either take control of enemy nations or become generals there or just get close to a key person and stab them It would be a powerful abilityNow less so because assassinzrions can be done without risking lives with tech, while controlled opposition is still powerful but I guess loyalty hasn’t been solved especially if they spend a long time awayI heard both the CIA and KGB mostly gave up on very long missions because in like 90% or the time their spy would just switch side after spending like 15 years living with the enemyOne exception is the Jews who sent hundreds or thousands of spies to pretend to be Arabs and marry Arab women just to act as sleeper agents and apparently those stayed loyal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mista%27arvim
>>530317303There's absolutely nothing we could do against "planet killers" like a relativistic missile. Best we can do is to try to avoid drawing attention to ourselves in the first place.
>>530317377That's Eldar >Think themselves superior to mon-keigh/goyim>Forever scheming and exploiting the humans >Pretend to have a feud between their two factions, but instantly close ranks when challenged by a mon-keigh
>>530336261hard to go undercover when every village has a distinctive dialect, as was true in most of the world until the late 20th centnotable exception: a few roman emperors who trusted foreigners and paid for it
more french ppl
>>530317303I'll bite.Let's say the universe is infinite.Then everything that can happen, has happened and is happening an infinite number of times.However, that doesn't reduce the distance between star systems.In example, if the closest planet with intelligent life is 1000 light years away, the universe being infinite won't change that fact.Let me explain with an allegory>There's a dick eating fish in the ocean>A single one>You take a piss in the ocean at a random place with water above your waist>What are the odds you will get your dick chopped off by that fishNow, imagine the ocean is infinite and for every earth worth of water, there's one more fish like that.I honestly wouldn't really be scared.
>>530336837not to mention their hubris ultimately being their downfall.
>>530317303The worst thing we could find is nothing. Finding out we actually are alone.
>>530336910Fair I hadn’t considered thatBut if you’re on a decade long suicide mission anyways might as well take a stop in a city of the enemy empire, learn the local language and accent then lie and say you’re from that village>>530337363Correct it gives average distancesHowever if we add the fact everything expands over time (just remove the civilisations that don’t from the thought experiment like they didn’t exist ) then no matter how far away they are from us they will reach us It’s only a matter of time. Impossible to predict when But if we don’t win the fight at first contact we’re going extinct hence it would be a good idea to work on getting stronger
>>530317303I do believe there's at least life out there.Not intelligent life, but microorganisms.Because despite the chance of a replicator naturally building itself is infinitely near zero, it isn't zero.It's the monkey on a typewriter situation.
>>530326450>space niggers
>>530337691And they hide their soul in a little crystal to trick their god so she can't punish them
>>530317303Space jews
>>530337763Hard disagreePeople didn’t know other planets and stars existed for most of history (stars in the night sky were not understood to be the same thing as our sun, a guy who made that claim was burned alive in Renaissance Europe for saying so, Bruno) So for all of human history no one was thinking about aliens and they didn’t even have the concept in their cultureYet people did just fine without being motivated by a desire to go talk to aliens. If were alone were safe forever (minus AI uprising). It would be great. Nothing at all to worry about, and it’s no more existentially depressing than the norm for all or human history until the invention of the telescope. Meanwhile if aliens exist it means genocidal aliens exist and likely an infinite number of them so it’s far worse to not be alonePlus you have the Dune route, of humanity evolve by and over time turning into basically aliens for separate populations
>>530337763That's not so bad. It just means humanity's job is to build the stargates and seed the universe.But if we get filtered by the brown plague first, that's it. Dead universe.
>>530337691>>530333230>We absolutely need a global ban on sending signals to spaceAside from the Arecibo message years ago, I don't think there really have been any messages sent. Just leakage which is quite weak I agree with you, let's not give away our position any more than we already have.
>>530338063When you’re not performing your duties, do they put you in a little box ? CELLS. >cellsCells interlinked within cells interlinked within cells>interlinkedCtan POV
purple niggers like pic related would be pretty bad. I dont think god made that mistake twice tho...
>>530337878check out the forever war by joe haldemanit's a war between humans and aliens where both sides have FTL but experience extreme dilation any time they use it (localized to the vessel)
>>530317303Another Earth like planet that started around the same time, with alike humans, but that is ridiculously way more advanced than us.
>>530338232See >>530324887The situation is far worse than most people know we need a global ban yesterday it’s more urgent and existential than global warming
Aliens are already here
>>530338359Hmm I wasn't aware of that That actually is a problem
>>530317303Infinite space mean infinite horrors.
>>530318626>they would be more moral than usNot more moral, but more advanced means they have solved most of their problems. The movie scenario of aliens needing the 1 thing that planet Earth/humans have, but no other place in the Universe has, is really silly.
>>530338338I’ve heard about it from that weird balding trench coat youtube guy but didn’t read the book>>530338431>That actually is a problemHence my worry and the urgencyThe more people know about it think it’s a problem and want a global treaty to limit signals to space the better So far no one has cared at all and it’s not like humanity ha gained anything from the signals we sent into space
>>530331178>hibernation for tens of millenniaNo living tissue can be sustained that long. Even if you're just preserving genomes and birthing new bodies with uploaded brain data, your ingredients would expire.
>>530317303No clappable alien cheeks
>>530338359>>530338232I mean even Doritos was blasting radio signals out into space. we've sent way more messages into space, usually its just a publicity stunt, which makes it even more embarrassing when the aliens finally decode it.
>>530338551The main impetus for genocide between aliens is eliminating threats Doubly so because of how fast technology progresses. We from from the Iron Age 200 years ago and not even knowing what chemistry was to nukes stealth aircraft digitalized brains ai bio engineering etc etc So if you leave a species of primitives alone they might develop very advanced tech very quickly. Which species wins in the long run isn’t guaranteed. While if you wipe out the aliens they will never be strong enough to wipe you out much later since they will be dead
It's far more likely we end up back in the stone age before we have long distance space travel.
>>530338721>time to thaw him out
>>530338721I’m sure the tech can be solvedIf there is an energy consumption ir needs to be minimal Realistically what would consume energy? Would freezing biological precursors to absolute 0 work?
>>530338887>I mean even Doritos was blasting radio signals out into space.Hence the need for a global ban signed by all countries and enforced by paranoid schizophrenic Jews with the us military at their command to brutalize anyone thinking of breaching said treaty
There are greys out there who hunt dragons. They sell their blood, there's no more valuable commodity. They look just like the stereotypically imagined aliens with thin bodies and big black eyes, but they have the teeth of lions. There are serpents out there who have evolved legs and keep human slaves whose lower leg they chop off because it's simply an efficient way to stay wealthy and thus survive. There are a people who orbit a red sun who evolved from big cats and have entire cities built of pure gold. There are a people from beyond the observable universe who watch us, and every time life is destroyed on a planet like this they send a robot there via teleportation to re-seed it. There are planets so beautiful that one inhalation of their air would move you to tears immediately, and then there are a species no taller than six inches who have technology you can't imagine who do nothing but harvest the blood and metal of a civilisation that's about to destroy itself. There's a planet not much bigger than earth with hardly any land, just two big australia sized islands, the humanoid inhabitants of it have one big eye and one small, they close the big eye whenever there's a sandstorm, all they do is dance around in a circle and birds drop them fish to eat so that they can shit and turn the land green. There are people who build planets, people who build stars, people who make planets like ours livable by killing dinosaurs with bows and arrows. Scizophrenia is awesome. Have a nice day.
>>530317303The worst thing would be picrel.
>>530317303Worst thing?Space jews
>>530324253The move away from large, powerful AM transmitters in the 70s was the first step at minimizing range.
>>530317303This post is a crock of horseshitTake your MEDS OP
>>530317303Jews.
i just want some hot alien sexo
>>530317377>He doesn't know that's what we have.
>>530340855I too would like some of that sweet alien pussy, fellow anon.I imagine a greys pussy is unbelievably tight and wet.
>>530317436Humans are most likely the freakishly strong space nigger monsters that are capable of tearing other races apart limb from limb. Life from planets with lower gravity than Earth will be scrawny bitches. Life from planets with higher gravity than Earth will be stronger, but Earth is pretty close to the limit where you can still escape the gravity well to enter space. Much higher and you either launch with enough G's to kill everything onboard or you never figure out how to safely launch and give up on your space program dreams.There is an ayylmao encounter where a woman reported a group of little grey men in her home. She said they were using some kind of mind control device on her to freeze her in place while they approached her, then either it malfunctioned or she resisted it. She regained control of herself, attacked them and effortlessly broke one's neck. The rest seemed startled, then they picked up their dead buddy and portaled out of there. If some regular woman can do that as a fear response, imagine what trained male soldiers could do to these fuckers.
>>530341042>Earth is pretty close to the limit where you can still escape the gravity well to enter spaceThis is quite interesting. I read that on a planet with double earth's, gravity, you'd need a Saturn V just to place a satellite in low orbit.
>>530340855>>530340995
>>530317303If a alien race has the technology to travel the universe it means they have technology to travel faster than the speed of light because at such speed the closest star next to our sun is 40 light years aways. That means travelling at the speed of light it would take 40 years for us to arrive to the closes solar system.The universe is so incomprehensible big that travelling at the speed of light is like trying to walk through the entire planet.If aliens that travel to our planet have such technology then there's nothing they could possibly gain from us, it would be like running into a ant pit and you either choose to give them a few crumbs of food or flood their colony with your pee, you won't gain anything from that because your are so far beyond the needs and understanding of ants there's nothing you could possibly gain from them so what an alien race capable of interestellar travel would do to use is entirely up to chance.They could bless us with a couple millennia worth of progress in a day or send us back to the caveman age just for the shits and giggles.
>>530341327>closest star next to our sun is 40 light years awayMake that 4 light years
>>530341157!!!!!!!
>>530318512I find these strips profoundly saddening and hard to read. As if a demon made the “artist” mentally ill and figured out a bastard way to make it contagious.
>>530317303Yakubians
>>530341157Chat is this real
>>530341157Jeet doctor
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>>530341360Hmm my bad, my point still stand, 4 years at the speed of light just to reach the closest start is unreasonable.The only way to efficienctly travel to other solar systems, let alone galaxies would be teletransportation.
>>530341488No, when the real ayy pic is posted glowies shut down 4chan for a few hours
>>530317303A jew makes it off world, introducing usury, circumcision, porn, slavery, prostitution, and abortion, in to civilizations. We have to deworm this world before we play with others.
>>530341157DearLORDI COULD FAP TO THIS NIGHTLY FOR AT LEAST THREE MONTHS
>>530341578You're full of shitI sent this to ChatGPT and it has been confirmed 100% AUTHETICChatGPT even requested more content like this
>>530341488Yes it predates AI it’s real porn with makeup
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