You now have the US tranferring THAAD missile systems stationed in South Korea and moving them all the way to the Middle East to defend Israel. This is running a huge gambit greatly decreasing South Korea's defenses to bolster Israel's plus Iran might just destroy the THAAD system like they did the last one. Despite all of the propaganda telling the public the war is going great something tells me the war isn't going well if they have to pull stunts like this. What does /pol/ think, can the US and Israel actually win this war against Iran? What even is the actual goal of this war that the US rushed itself into with what seems like no preperation at all?https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/us-plans-withdrawal-thaad-korea-mideast-iran
>>530352810K
something something hubris something something chinese professor youtube guy
Most people who aren't drones know that the US is losing.
>>530352810jihad will wingreater israel not happeninglolgreater khazarian and greater israel will happen
>>530352810The Iranian leadership keeps dying. They lose them to American and Israeli missiles/bombs and they elect someone new. Then they die. Then they elect someone new. You just keep killing the leadership until they surrender. Its not that hard. And Korea will be fine. Who's going to attack them? North Korea? NK sees the shit going down right now with Iran and wants no part of that. You don't think America wouldn't love them to write a blank check to start bombing their asses too?
>>530352810Why do the " Team of Experts " or what ever they're called keep choosing new leaders knowing that anyone they choose is going to be targeted for death?Aren't there 88 members on the " Team of Experts "?What are the implications to all of this?
>>530352810unironically, take out netanyahu, and establish a cohort of serious, non-genocidal allies, with real serious military leadership instead of drunk fox news anchors.
>>530352810No, you might as well kill yourself actually.
>>530352810They can win with boots on the ground and totally ignoring the Geneva convention. I have to suspect that was always the plan, the only question is if they can get away with it domestically.
>>530352810US needs this because they're currently so blind they can't even collect data on Iranian missiles to adjust the interceptors. Iran is just going to target the new THAAD system. I honestly hope Iran and Israel destroy one another. I'd settle for just Israel being destroyed. Fuck these messianic losers.
>>530352810Outside of nuclear weapons, no.The USN has proven incapable of opening the strait. Israel is fucking useless in assisting. The global economy can melt down faster than the IRGC run out of Shaheds or mines to keep the Strait corked.Much like last year proved, Iranian ballistic missiles have once again achieved escalation dominance over Israel.> What even is the actual goal of this war that the US rushed itself into with what seems like no preperation at all?Trump and Hegseth believe their own capeshit propaganda about American military exceptionalism. They're amateurs who don't care about logistics, or else they would not have entered this fight after seeing how many munitions they had to expend against the Houthis and Iran last year.
>>530352810>is there any way for the US and Israel to win this war?yes, like a dove could win a game of chess - kick over all the pieces, shit on the board and then fly away
Jail or execute the people for this war for treason.Impeach Trump and the Vice.Probably firing squad Pete if he doesn't resign.That's the ONLY way for US to recover.
>>530353017it's a well-structured, decentralized government built by a revolutionary movement that defeated the CIA, it's just not gonna happen, they are clearly able to handle decapitation strikes
>>530352810The US can win by letting Israel get blown the fuck up and then claim it was actually a 25d chess move to rid America of the Zionist parasite.
>>530352810They can literally kill every person in Iran and "win", but they might have a slight PR problem
>>530352810We're wiping the fucking floor with them, what are you talking about? So three THAAD stations were damaged and one might not even be anything other than AI fake news, so what? We've essentially fucking obliterated the Iranian navy, airforce and long range attack and defense capabilities and decapitated their fucking power structures.Iran isn't winning, dipshit. They're being fucking neutered.
>>530353321True but it'll never happen.
>>530353234Let's keep it realistic. Trump won't be impeached because a Republican majority.Hegseth has got to go.Since the US lost, it's going to have to make concessions to Iran. I think America's number 1 priority has to be keeping military bases around the Gulf.In broad strokes, Israel must be thrown under the bus. Iran wants to be free to rich as much Uranium as they want. I wonder if the US can get away with "nonproliferation for Iran, but we denuclearize Israel"
>>530353413Retard your leaders have gone through 70% of your global defense missiles.Retards like you should be clubbed to death at birth.
>>530352810Usa doesn't win, israel does
>>530353475proof?
>>530353475You wish, meme flag.
>>530352810Goal was regime change. They might still get it but I imagine there's a gun at everyone's back in Iran right now. It's just as likely to spiral into nonstop power grabs internally and become totally nonfunctional as soon as someone takes a breath. The thing is Trump's foreign policy outlook doesnt even have a veneer of hesitantion regarding dealing with dictators or brutal regimes as long as theres a benefit. Honestly I can see a future where Trump pauses military action, and then has us step in to ally with the people he was just slinging bombs at, to help supress the people he was just urging to rise up. Well, the people and rival factions within Iran itself. Suddenly we're just another sponsor of Iran as Russia and China are.
>>530352810THAAD is garbage. If Iran can take out 4 systems out of the 8 total then they are just ineffective. The low magazine size isn't suitable for modern missile + drone tandem swarms.
>>530353413Your senile retarded president has set up that the only win condition for the US is complete and unconditional surrender. That's not happening.No goalpost shifting.He fucked up.
>>530353466Delusion. The post.
>>530353166If this goes on too long, trump needs congressional approval. Im sure there's plenty of israel loving, iran hating boomers that will approve, but we don't know if they'll get the seats they need to pass an actual war.
ZOG's win condition is installing a puppet government, or complete destabilize the country into a none functioning mad max shithole like Libya. They won't be able to accomplish any of these. All they can do is kill people, and they'll do that til they lose too much money to be able to continue getting away with it, then they'll retreat and declare victory after having achieved none of their initial goals.
>>530353017>NK sees the shit going down right now with Iran and wants no part of that.Actually they're going "wish a nigga would try". South Korea's armed forces are a far bigger problem for North Korea than the US is. If Best Korea decided to liberate Worst Korea, the US wouldn't be able to do anything about it but seeth.>>530353430Trump's an opportunist, he might try saying that after Iran kicks us out of the middle east and destroys Israel. It's not his plan, but going "I meant to do that" after what might constitute the biggest military fuckup since Teutoburg Forest sounds a lot more Trump than banging his head against the walls of the Whitehouse going "BENJAMIN NETANYAHU GIVE ME BACK MY CARRIERS"
>>530353017the new guy has not died and it really doesn't matter if he does. the IRGC can operate without central leadership.
>>530353466if the Democrats promised to work with Iran to turn this into a bigger L for Israel than us, they would establish a whole new base
>>530352810Biological weapons. Israel will use them when it gets desperate enough.
>>530353413You can tell who here is too young to remember Afghanistan and Iraq
>>530353627Always fighting the last wog war he military is
>>530353768I don't see any boots on the ground here, dipshit.
>>530352810Israelis are the most useless allies you can have. They were not happy with just getting their ass kicked by iranians, they are now getting humiliated by Hezbollah destroying their defense with shitty missiles.
>>530353017There's no evidence zog has killed any leadership outside the first strike when they took out Khamenei and others at the meeting. Theyve just been saying shit since then, totally unverified.
>>530353804there will never be boots on the ground. 90 millions pissed of Muslims in a country larger than Iraq - and much more mountainous? nah. we'd need at least 500,000 troops and a draft.
>>530352810>whitehouse cope signaling hardcore to prevent oil from skyrocketing>isnt working, oil is volatile as fuck from all the signals and increasing rapidly againThe United States has been moving the goalpost from day one and will continue to do so until it can claim a win. Everyone and their grandmother realizes this war is an absolute shitshow.The cost of this is legit a worldwide recession, depletion of us magazine depth, evacuation of us bases all over the ME, instability etcAnyone who says America is winning needs to ask themselves at what fucking cost and admit the goalpost moving is a sign of absolute weakness.
>>530353466Iran won't allow bases againUSA won't sacrifice to put Israel in a worse positionIsrael won't denuclearize without going samsung option
>>530353891>NOOOOO, the civilians who have been getting mulched by their government will be... LE MAD NOW!!!Fucking idiot.
>>530352810I'm not sure about the current specific battle with Iran but if you see the ME as one big warzone, ultimately the US will lose. Just look at the damage that Iran did all by itself. Unheard off. Decades of infrastructure worth tens of billions, gone in a week. The US has the upper hand, but the cost is insane.If the surrounding arab nations weren't such corrupt cucks, they probably could kick out the US and Israel of the ME right now. The same way the 13 colonies declared independence from the UK 250 years ago, the ME could declare independence from the US right now.
>>530353804Lol you didnt refute the point because you are in fact too young. It doesnt matter how many ships or generals or tanks you take out or how many buildings you blow up. This isnt WWII.
Honestly, the only thing I REALLY want from this war... Is Dubai leveled.
>>530353994they aren't rising up right now, why would they ever? you think bombing them is going to make them more sympathetic to the US/Israel? they are not unhappy unlike what you may think. they hate the US more than their regime.
>>530353671Iran does not seem willing to let Trump TACO and return to status quo ante.
>>530354064lol, lmao. Already forgot the protest massacres, eh, leftie nigger?
>>530353948DC DON
>>530354095they are protecting 2500 years of culture MAGAtroll. unlike the USA, they have something to protect. they will slaughter the US army if it enters.
>>530354000who will be their France? China?
>>530354146you're fucking retarded as shit
>>530354095>lol, lmao. Already forgot the protest massacres, eh, leftie nigger?You are the propagandised retard. The United States caused the currency deevaluation of the Iranians that led to the riots to begin with, they knew damn well the regime would kill people to supress it and you couldnt even time it right just send cope messages on truth social to signal. >>530354135kek
>>530353984That's the problem. Rightfully, the words of Americans in general, but Trump specifically are treated as lies by default by Iranians. Are they even wrong to treat violence as the only language Trump understands?
>>530354000It ultimately shows high tech shit is useless.>We've got an arsenal of super advanced weapons doing less damage than 5 shit mass produced dronesWho the fuck needs Tomahawks when a few drones can do the same thing?
>>530352910We cant be losing because I dont have healthcare
>>530354169listen man, you are not getting it. the USA CANNOT WIN THIS WITHOUT NUKES. we have a carrier parked in their missile range now and they haven't sunk it yet. do you know why? because if they did, it would cause support for the war to be much higher and the US admin would consider a tactical nuke to end it.we can bomb them all fucking day and they'll laugh because most of their shit is underground anyways.
>>530352810American shabbes goys are abandoning all their loyal and reliable allies just to please their jewish masters. Very pathetic.
>>530352810>What even is the actual goal of this war that the US rushed itself into with what seems like no preperation at all?I believe that the united states went into the war because of israel... Israel is in total control of the retarded orange ape and the rest of the government. Antisemitism is on the rise in the west and support for Israel is the lowest it has ever been in the US. The kikes are using the US military to try and destroy their largest enemy before everyone wakes the fuck up and they completely lose their power over the US government. Im guessing they see it as a win either way. On one hand, if they manage to take out Iran (they won't) that is a major enemy defeated, and they might even maintain control of the US in the long run. If they don't succeed (they won't) both the US and Iran will be weakened which is what they want anyway... They can just move on to the next country. Also, the kikes are going to 100% nuke Iran just for the fun of it... Total Kike Death
>>530352810>Give it to me straight.....is there any way for the US and Israel to win this war?iranians can just hide in underground facilities under mountains and throw drones and missiles indefinitelyyour only options are boots on ground with extremely hight casualties or a new kind of bunker buster type of missile using a nuclear payload that can pierce mountains, but i don't see it happeningso boots on ground, which might not work if you can't economically sustain it untill the end and have to cuck out midwaytl;dr you're fucked m8
>>530354299How would a nuke solve the situation?
Netanyahu will order Trump to nuke Iran. He has blackmail on him and his brother was apparently just blown up in a missile strike. He is losing popularity sharply even among the Jews despite the rally around the flag effect. By doing it via proxy Israel could wash its hands from the act while the US falls into chaos and becomes a pariah. They are losing their control of the US in any case so they might as well sacrifice them out of spite especially since it's the only way for them to win the war.
>>530352810No. The US's problem with winning wars is always the politics back home. Iran will know this and make the war increasingly expensive so the pressure on trump from within America gets too much.Normally I would say that trump will eventually make up a win condition, say they have won and withdrawn. This time Isreal has all of the epstein files and some extra bad videos so the US can't withdraw. This is going to be a quagmire that will only end when Trump loses power.
>>530354299Nukes don't exist, dipshit.
>>530354080Yeah, whenever I hear people talk about this war, they ask "how is Trump going to back out of this and save face" but they never really acknowledge that war is a fight with two sides, and the other side gets a say. Iran has severely weakened America's presence in the region, if they keep going the US could be forced out of its bases in the middle east. At that point Iran doesn't really have a military competitor in the region, so what's stopping them from launching a ground war and mopping the fuck up? Clear out all the US proxies in the region, install their regional allies into power instead, and then be the regional hegemon that they naturally would be if America hadn't spent the last ~50 years trying to hold them down.
>>530352810>can the US and Israel actually win this war against Iran?lol no. It would get bogged down worse than Russia is
>>530353017yes, decentralized terroristic cell based militants vs a bloated empire. When has this ever ended poorly for the empire...
>>530352810The US? No... but Israel has a secret agenda here. It's not about destroying Iran... no, the secret gambit is to make Israel's enemies destroy each other.And it working.
>>530354385US would retire, claim victory and leave jews holding the bag before sending a single american in Iran.
>>530352810>What even is the actual goal of this war that the US rushed itself into with what seems like no preperation at all?Obbiously trump wanted a distracrion from epstein files.
>>530353166>totally ignoring the Geneva conventionYou are such a nigger, do you think picrel (any one else for that matter) give a single fuck about the GeNeVa convention?You are such a fucking nigger...
>>530354392nothing else would make the Iranians want to stop it. there is no reason for them to. they want nothing less than the US out of the Middle East.a carrier sinking with thousands of sailors aboard would absolutely make a nuke viable
>>530353186And if the IRGC did start to fold, Russia could start resupplying them. If that went on too long, they could just shut off the oil or embargo only the USA. Even if the USA does achieve every goal, there would be retaliations for many years. And then there's political fallout no matter how great the results could be.I don't see any net good results out of this for the USA. But it's a huge win for Israel. I can't believe Trump got talked into this shit.
>>530352810Theres unironically no avenue for the US, they have tried everything short of ground troops or nukes. They underestimated Iran and got slapped back ( they havent even activated the Houthis yet)
>>530354361Okay, that explains the Israeli realpolitik (you ignore that they lost to Iran last year as another indication the window of opportunity is closing).I don't think it explains what Trump was hoping to accomplish.
>>530354334Imagine yourself in the shoes of America's Pacific allies. The retarded americans first threw you under the bus by starting a war with Iran, which blocked most of the Gulf's oil for Israel's sake - and now your entire industry and economy will just grind to a halt. And now they're withdrawing their troops, leaving you alone to face China.
>>530353321Rolling for TKD
>>530352910I do not believe there is a state in which you could conceivably admit the war is going poorly for Iran if you believe America is currently losing this conflict. It just takes a suspension of disbelief that borders on pure delusion.
>>530354520I don't think a single nuke would be enough.
>>530354481well then that's not winning
>>530352810Sure, USrael can win. Iran is a powerless shithole, it would be extremely shocking and surprising if America + Israel lost.This war is waged to rebuild the world for Putin's multipolar NWO. This includes that China gets east Asia, that's why the US is retreating from east Asia.Iran was angry about being betrayed by russia and didn't want to play along, so they get regime changed now.
>>530353466This is groan-inducing. You people live in a fantasy land.
>>530354000Trouble is that arabs are tribal and they would just as happy to fight each other over some trivial grievance rather than an external threat. Did you not see "Lawrence of Arabia"?
>>530354361YepThis is the last generation where jews still have support and that US military has global hegemonIf Iran survives it's game over for kikes
>>530354520>UpdateThey won't use nukes. Once nukes are used against Islam, nothing will stop all the countries from getting the bomb. And by the by, the Pakistanis already have the bomb and if Iran gets hit you can bet they will develop ICBMs capable of hitting the USA.
>>530352810Moved to what? Blow up? Pretty sure Korea paid for that.
>>530354662they won't admit defeat either nor do a ground invasion - what else do you expect?
>>530354547And that is after the us managed to piss off all of its allies in Europe causing massive decoupling efforts to be iniatied.There is no grand strategy at play, The americans just lost 30 IQ points, adopted a self-destructive ideology and just continually fucks up
>>530354436They let Trump TACO last year after Israel started losing. This year, he returns the favor with an underhanded opening strike akin to Pearl Harbor that assassinated their pope. Iran wants actual concessions before uncorking the strait this time. Not symbolic gestures and a return to status quo ante.
>>530352810>iran leadership dead>IRGC decapitated>entire navy on the ocean floor>airforce destroyed>key infrastructure demolished>missile and drone stockpile depletedIran have got fucking wrecked.
>>530352810so you are telling me North Korea could invade South Korea or even bomb them right now and nothing would happen????ufffffffffff the temptation, losing south korea would be a huge blow for the zog cabal
>>530354775the strait is still under their controlIsrael is still being bombedk lol
>>530353413>MIGAtard hubris : The PostDrones are shaking up the entire chessboard. For decades military around the world was nothing but a bigger, larger, more high tech, more expensive rat race (mostly for embezzlement purposes).Now a tiny $50 chink drone tied to a $50 bombshell can sink your $5B carrier and obliterate your $200M tanks and aircrafts.War is all about drones, and the manufacturing capacities to produce them and the logistic to send them efficiently to the frontline. Literally nothing else matter.It's the biggest game changer since gunpowder have been invented.Have you seen the last large scale yuropoor military game who took place last month? Probably not because it was so shameful the EU made everything to keep it quiet. It supposedly was made for big boi countries such as France/Germany/UK to teach ukros how to beat the russians. But we aren't day 1 of the SMO, we are in year 4, and ukros were having none of this shit, so they teached our "modern" armies quite the lesson. Exercise ended with a troop of 15 ukrainians dronistes taking down 2,200 soldiers of an UK/Germ/frog coalition. Utter humiliation.Our armies grew so lazy, so bureaucratic, so prideful,.. they can't achieve shit anymore. They can't adapt, they wont adapt until they end up in grave danger. Only then they will move their ass and understand the new world order will be determined by drones. For now it's just a bloated scamfest, especially the US army. You have like 1 drone operator for 200 personels. You wont be competitive anymore until you ramp up this figure to 50%. You wont win any serious war until you adapt.
>>530354542>Okay, that explains the Israeli realpolitik (you ignore that they lost to Iran last year as another indication the window of opportunity is closing).I'm not even sure he is trying to accomplish anything of strategic value for the US... I'm starting to believe he is actually mega cucked by the jews, they have something major on him or he is actually retarded enough to believe they are "the chosen people" and will fucking kill everyone to make sure he has Gods favor... I was kind of hopeful when he came back into the presidency. Mass deportations, america first, raising up the white population, etc. is what a president should do for any country... I just don't see it though... From my retarded mexican viewpoint it just looks like he is falling apart... Far from it being funny, it is honestly very depressing. Unironically you mutts are the worlds only hope. YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONES TO END KIKERY! Nobody else has the guns, the raw power, the looks. You can be so much but have fallen so short... I guess that is the story of humanity itself... Fucking feelsbad
>>530354815Its not that simple for the ones with a useful range for naval strike. But it's a democratization of the cruise missile into something that costs as much as a Toyota. And neither LockMart or Scamduril can get in the same order of magnitude of cost.
>>530352810there is but society is too fucking cowardly or too corrupt to do so. The reality is we could bulldoze almost any nation on this planet in a matter of days but it would be brutal, deadly, and expensive. But it would be swift and decisive. The problem with that is corrupt politicians and world leaders want to get paid, they want that money. It's more lucrative to take over an existing infrastructure than demolish and rebuild.
>>530354787lets see how based Kim Jong Un is because this will be so funny is north korea decides to invade cuckorea right now that the amerimutts are too worried dying for cannibal pedophiles, it would destabilize the entirety of east asia as well because it would show all the cucks in japan that the USA is only a colonial power ruling over them and that when the time comes they won't care about all of them getting murdered to protect the cannibalistic pedophile cabalChina needs to stay away from anything North Korea does tho because otherwise it will start WW3 and also North Korea doesn't need them, without the USA cuckoreans are nothing but estrogenized loosers
>>530354938I think its just self aggrandizement, in combination with being vaguely pro Israel before politics
>>530354542Trump has a fatwa on his head. He knows the Iranians are after him and his family. He's extra paranoid about their capabilities. Also he's been told Iran has rare earth minerals needed for advanced tech. Finally, the USA is intending to try to defeat China sometime in the next few years. They are trying to slow them down and contrive of a means to outgun them. Cutting off their access to Iranian oil -- one of the few sure sources the Chinese have -- goes a long way towards that goal (same reason they aren't going to win).
I'm not some military expert but there are a lot of holes in the desert their school bombing AI systems can't reach I guess. Woweee....
>>530354653They also have to leave the US in a state where it cannot seek revenge in the future... TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, CIVIL WARS, TOTAL DEMOGRAPHIC COLLAPSE, BRINK OF DEAth type shit... God, I fucking hate jews...
>>530353036>Why do the " Team of Experts " or what ever they're called keep choosing new leaders knowing that anyone they choose is going to be targeted for death?If they didn't, they'd probably be targeted themselves.
>>530352810with boots i guesswithout losing tossing 100k soldiers into the grinder and losing most of them? no
>>530355010>The reality is we could bulldoze almost any nation on this planet in a matter of daysthis is false. this is not 50 years ago.
>>530355098>Finally, the USA is intending to try to defeat China sometime in the next few yearsIf this performance is any indication, barring a complete gutting and reform of the US Navy, they would get btfo by the PLAN.
>>530355149imo we'd need at least 500,000 and likely the draft to do itIran has 90 million pissed off Muslims living there
>>530353040Surprised I read a sane thought on here today
>>530355010That's evangelical psychosis talking.
>>530355091You are a lot more hopeful than me <3This planet sucks so much dick sometimes...
>>530355149Muh boots are not even that useful anymore for Iran specifically. They can continue to fire ballistic missiles from random places all over the country. The US would need full territorial control to stop the missiles, by which point the global economy has melted down.
>>530352810https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtRWjCiRcwg
>>530352810You know it's not going great. All the US and Israel have is their propaganda machine. China's weapons are probably much better than ours. Russia's drones are probably better. We're struggling to protect Ukraine at a stalemate and pissed away a lot of our arms to them. Taiwan is barely protected too. It's actually easy to assume the US and Israel constantly lie about how strong our military is because they have every incentive to lie. Outside of that all you need to do is keep one thing in mind, all Iran has to do is hold the trade route. That's it. Hold that and they are keeping the economy hostage. Simple.
>>530355274no shot the US wins a ground invasion... Iran is actually fighting for survival, if they lose this they are going to get fucked in the ass...
>>530355244They are badly outnumbered and will get btfo by PLAN no matter what. But they will try because they are the stupidest most easily controlled people in the world (after the Russians).
>>530354734I know, and I'm interested to see how far they take it, since they could go a long way and the only thing the US and Israel could really use as leverage against them is the threat of a nuclear attack, everything else they can put on the table is just conceding things to Iran. A small number of nukes probably wouldn't stop Iran though, nukes are overestimated in their actual military effects. It'd probably take at least a dozen before Iran cried "daddy", probably way more. If the US or Israel used dozens of nukes to basically genocide the civilian population of Iran as part of an unprovoked war of aggression, that'd immediately constitute the worst crime against humanity in human history, bar none.
>>530355390yeah honestly it's a pipe dreamamerica would never commit that kind of force when china exists anywayi think it's lost already desu, or at least unless iran cucks
>>530352848>billions must be martyred.
Sacrifice the entire post ww2 global order for Israel
>>530354488I don't see that I merit this acrimony mexifriend, being as I did NOT say or even imply that...
>>530355606the entire post ww2 global order was just jewish dominance for this purposeim starting to think that 80 year curse of israel is correct though, neurotic jews really cannot manage diplomacy
>>530355489If they use a lot of nukes the radiation will hit the entire Middle East. Also it will blow over lower Asia. There is a myth that Muslims of different cultures hate each other. It's exactly that... a myth. The Ayatollahs don't hate the Saudis, the Saudis don't hate the Ayatollahs. They disagree with each other and are serious about it, but it's not hatred... Allah doesn't allow that. And He doesn't allow surrender to infidels, either.
>>530355704They resolved to dominate the USA after the Holocaust, by hook or by crook.
>>530355685>acrimonykek, my apologies, it's been a long life.
>>530352810Perhaps if they escalated to a level never seen before complete with drafts and ground invasion but even then it’s a stretch. Iran refuses to surrender or negotiate there’s no way they can missile and drone strike them into capitulation
>>530355768they already agreed to be zionist vassalsthey don't believe in anything and all that is just performative
>>530354734>Iran wants actual concessions before uncorking the strait this time. Not symbolic gestures and a return to status quo ante.agreed, and we should take them up on the offer to get our people back. Maybe it's time for the US to scale back the empire.
>>530352810>You now have the US tranferring THAAD missile systems stationed in South Korea and moving them all the way to the Middle East to defend Israel.They're just going to get smoked as well, another billion dollars up in smoke. They need to work out how to stop the lawnmower drones before they worry about the thaad radars, every single US base has been hit, every radar that was in position to give early warning has been smoked, over and over as well. The Iranians are making a point of continually hitting the same things.
>>530355768>Allah doesn't allow thatLMAO, bruh... Everyone from EVERY religion often falls so short from the ideal...
>>530352810It wasn't even needed in the first place, Kim and Xi are both cool with Trump
modern AA is a cope it doesn’t work
>>530356034>8 thaads on earth>worth billions>4 get smoked in a week>"oh we better move the rest to the middle east then"Peak retard moment
>>530352810>What even is the actual goal of this warBaal thirsts for blood
Israel really is fucking retarded. They had literally forty years of prep time. Still lost.
>tfw saw clips of F16s being used to intercept fucking shahedsjust how over is it bros?
>>5303528101.>ground invasion, long war2.>nukesonly wayskikes wont let zion don pull out so itll be prolonged just like ukraine and palestine to inflict maximum suffering and fake prophecy for end times and jew beam
>>530352810The Jewnited States is fucked frendo
>>530353413Miggers will say:>But by destroying Iran, we cripple China and they're oilAnd in the same breath;>So what if we ran out of interceptors? We won't need them for a while, we'll rebuild And even in the next one say:Gotta get ready for that war in Taiwan next year.
>>530353017>You just keep killing the leadership until they surrenderWe literally have a law against doing that in this country. Stop trying to turn us into a pariah state with you, jew.
>>530353565It was in his dreams, or maybe it was in the dreams of some random X user. This is what these clowns live on to delude themselves the US is losing. It's the same retardation that made them cope that Russia was going to win any second now. They just delude themselves into believing whatever they want and always shift goals when proven wrong. That's why the conversation went from>le Iran will sink the carriers and flatten pissraelto>le Iran just needs to survive for 6 mon-, no 20 years!
>>530356691Especially because its obvious that the Israeli dogs would never allow for any leadership of any kind. They want to do to Iran what they did to Iraq, Lebanon and Syria. They literally just sent their ground forces into south Lebanon. They know nobody is there to stop them. Why? Because there is no existing leadership.
>>530352810They already won. The Supreme Leader was killed. Their Navy and Air Force were destroyed. The strait was reopened and oil is back to normal prices.
>>530353413copeindependent satellite imagery says your bases and radar systems got blown to smithereensaren't you gutting south korea's military equipment just to keep going
>>530356290that was actually their downfall. they needed to do this 20 years ago
>>530352810God, I hope Israel gets bombed into dust. They've gotten away with too much for far too long.
>>530356854Thank God. Fuck them. Fuckers deserve everything happening to them. If they were actually a vassal nation that did their job of serving American interests, I would give a shit, but they are the very reason of why we're in the political shithole we find ourselves in. May they get the great reset they fucking deserve.
>>530352810Who said anything about winning militarily? This isn't about "defeating Iran" in a war.
>>530356906BASED
>>530352810The USA can't win because it has no objectives and no goals. Iran can't win because they have the rest of the world against them. Israel can't win unless their goal was to create as much pain and kill as many people as possible, in that case they've already won.
>>530352810Without killing half the population of iran's 100 million, no.
>>530356348I fear there is a 3rd way, a much more diabolical one, so that's why i believe the kikes will go for this route : death from thirst.Iran have faced several years of extreme drought, and stupidly enough, their large metropolitan centers are far from clean water sources, they rely on a complex maze of canals and dams to bring up water to Tehran, Mashhad and Isfahan.The reservoirs held by the dams are at all time low capacity, and Israel/USzog conveniently bombed the desalination station of Qeshm. The driest months of the year (May-June-July) are coming soon, and the past few years already have been a challenge to keep water flowing. Officials resorted to water rationing for the past several years (forbidden to clean your car, to fill up your pool, etc..), and that was with their entire infrastructure being intact. Now imagine what would happen if the zogbots start to bomb the dams and canals on top of destroying desalination stations...Most iranians would be forced out of the country to not end up like dehydrated mummies.That's something so immoral and demonic nobody ever tried to do it, but kikes are so unhinged and psychopathic lately, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Especially since that's defenseless infrastructures.
The only way for the US to win is to "not play the game." We win by withdrawing support and trying to negotiate something with Iran. I personally hope Congress doesn't even go along with the way and Congress refuses to declare war on Iran. The US is only 1 step away from becoming "just another Latin American country." And the only thing keeping the US glued together is the US Dollar as World Reserve Currency. The rest of the world can take away this privilege.
>>530355274>500,000Unironically not even close, million easy at least. It’s literally a mash up of Iraq and Afghanistan. You will be urban street fighting insurgents while the IRGC take to the mountains and you are fighting them there. It cannot be won on the ground in any meaningful way.
>>530356986the us' goal is to not get nuked by iran. whether that has been achieved is up for debate, but iran is certainly not in a good situation.
>>530354815Underrated post
>>530355121Stop seething mate, it's getting sad
>>530352810Militarily it's the best it could be, but culturally you're basically fucked and an actual ground invasion is not viable for many reasons. Burgers lost the plot.
>>530352810Well, the US could nuke Iran i guess. No realistic option exist other than that im afraid. Ground invasion is way way way too expensive for the usa. And if the war isnt resolved quickly, the world economy could crash, depending on how long this drags out for. So thats another reason why no ground invasion. Iran won't give up because lf targeted strikes. They are only becoming emboldened. I guess the USA could strategically starve them but bombing key infrastructure, poison bombing their farm lands. But they will have a hard time cutting them of from importing food though. And this is of course without mentioning any backlashes from these actions. So yeah, i think its pretty clear that the USA needs to nuke iran to win, or they will be forced to end this war very soon, but Israel wont allow that.
>>530354560The win condition for Iran isn't really for them to actually beat back the US, they can't, the only hope for Iran is that they make the war politically and financially unsustainable before they collapse, which isn't entirely impossible given the state of global oil prices so early on. A US ground invasion would likely make this even worse if they decide to go that route, which is what they'll have to do if they want to achieve any real political change in the country.
>>530357531It's just not going to happen unless Iran concedes something. Nothing is going to end this war anymore because a US loss here would be catastrophic geostrategically speaking. People cope about muh politics, but everyone involved. Democrats, Republicans, knows they can't end this war with anything less than victory. Ergo, this is another forever war, and we will 100% grind down and destroy Iran unless they surrender before that happens.
>>530356340Sure just send a few dozen $50M jets loaded with $1M missiles that each take month to make against hundreds of $30K suicide drones that are getting pumped out in an endless piss stream by China (the sole remaining manufacturing superpower), that's sustainable. And then there are the ballistic missiles that there aren't any interceptors in existence to effectively counter, let alone in the number required even if you could one-shot-one-kill them. The jews are going to end up using nukes, which was probably on purpose, they may possibly even use the Samson Option since they are getting their shit pushed in so hard while only pajeets and niggers are willing to go help them.
>>530356830Adults are talking, listen quietly or go back to /b/.
>>530357108you make an interesting point, the gulf states are having a water problem nowbut if iran is attacking their desalination plants i imagine they planned for water reserves until a ceasefire is declared over oilbut this is gonna go on forever to re-subdue all the dissent in the west and create more division to distract from a 4 year desert wari didnt know we bombed desalination plants too but it tracks with satanic judaism. the aim of this war is to exterminate the entire region so israel can become a superpower and control the strait
>>530352810this cute loli could do the funniest thing right now
>>530353186I find it absurd the US navy cannot secure a 30 mile stretch of ocean. That’s close to the distance between Long Beach and Catalina Island in SoCal. With all our supposed advanced tech, that should be very easy to do.
>>530357654>Democrats, Republicans, knows they can't end this war with anything less than victory.That isn’t true. Trump can literally end it tomorrow by just saying>we won big, we achieved our calls of destroying their ability to threaten us and we killed all the top guys now it’s time for the new administration to get on with running the country and we won’t be afraid to win.That’s the best possible off-ramp and it’s easily achievable by just telling Netanyahu to fuck off.
>>530357893> That isn’t true. Trump can literally end it tomorrow by just saying>we won big, we achieved our calls of destroying their ability to threaten us and we killed all the top guys now it’s time for the new administration to get on with running the country and we won’t be afraid to win.Won’t work because Iran will keep sending missiles to Tel Aviv. Unless part of the plan is letting Israel fend for themselves…
>>530357893>we won big, we achieved our calls of destroying their ability to threaten us and we killed all the top guys now it’s time for the new administration to get on with running the country and we won’t be afraid to win.Trump's base eats up literally anything he says so they would accept whatever he says, coincidentally they're also literally the only Americans that support the war in Iran in the first place because they're following their dear leader>That’s the best possible off-ramp and it’s easily achievable by just telling Netanyahu to fuck off.Then Bibi releases the blackmail he has on Trump
>>530353166>and totally ignoring the Geneva conventionliterally the first act of this war was bombing a school full of little children. the US never gave a shit about the Geneva convention or any laws of war
>>530357989>Trumps base accepts everything The media would mass message it and we would all just move onto the next happening.>Then Bibi releases the blackmail he has on TrumpYep, which is why I’m not hopeful but that’s the only exit I can see that isn’t a disaster.
>>530357937>Won’t work because Iran will keep sending missiles to Tel Aviv. Unless part of the plan is letting Israel fend for themselves…I think at this point they’d take the option to regroup. To not agree ceasefire they are inviting a nuke so it would be wilful suicide.
>>530357890The US Navy can't really put much in range to control it because they would be at risk of getting sunk by the very same drones and ballistic missiles that ate threatening cargo ships and tankers. There isn't a really good counter to those drones and missiles when they can get spammed to overwhelm defenses, and on big US ship getting sunk with hundreds or even thousands will be a PR disaster for trump and his scammer family. They will get investigated and probably convicted for the many insider trading claims and multiple CRYPTO FUCKING RUGPULLS if they lose much more popularity.
>>530357881North Korea is still around because they're both extremely opportunistic and extremely patient. South Korea is more vulnerable than it's been for a long time, but it's hardly defenseless and the South Korean and American economies are both going to be hit way harder by this than North Korea or Russia's. North Korea could probably win if they invaded right now, but they'd need to reach Busan within a few weeks before the US could deploy forces to reinforce South Korea and turn things into a slugging match that North Korea might still win, but only at insane cost even if they do. If they wait a few years then the US's ability to intervene even further, while North Korea can continue to build up its forces. North Korea is currently rapidly building up its navy, it's gone from having 0 surface combatant ships last year, to having plans to be the 14th largest navy in the world by 2030.
>>530352810Zoomers with short attention spans just consume e celeb content and third world propaganda. It's no wonder they believe that Iran is winning and Russia/China will intervene.
>>530352810Iran mostly acted as controlled opposition to the Israelis for decades, whether or not the current government changes it is a massive loss for Iran.
>>530358248>young people these days just don't watch enough Fox News to know that America is still the top dog!
>>530358378Russia and China combined could not defeat the US military. The only way they can weaken America is by planting agents within like Zion Don or ((Henry Kissinger)).
>>530353166The US isn't a geneva signatory so it means nothing to them or their jewish masters in the first place. They performed drone strikes on schools and hospitals in iraq and afghanistan too.
>>530353413>winning so hard you had to pull your entire THAAD system from South Korea leaving both them and Japan blindahhhahahahhahaha migger copes are beyond hilarious. Can't wait to see you dumb niggers piss away 20 years replacing the IRGC with an even stronger IRGC just like you did Vietnam and Afghanistan.
>>530353994>oy vey goy it was real in my mind
>>530358248>t.
>>530358501That shit probably wasn't even true in the 90s, and it's definitely not true now.
>>530354095>The protest massacresThe ones where the IRGC wiped the fucking floor with CIAniggers and MOSSAD members trying to start a revolution? lmao
>>530354427>n-n-nukes aren't real goylol let me guess, when you're proven wrong you're going to schizobabble about how they're real but dont work because muh aliums disabled them with their magic wifi tech right?
>>530354064Despite all the disdain for the Iranian regime, there's very few things that are quite as unifying as a foreign country bombing the shit out of you.
Why didnt they anticipate Iranians closing the strait?
>>530358723Yes they are weak as shit but have effective propaganda. War in Iran benefits the east by getting normies who recently started hating Israel because of social media to eat up anti white anti western propaganda. As this is happening Zion Don helps India and Russia by lifting sanctions on Russia.
>>530354095>implying the protests were organicwhat is color revolution
>>530354587>iran is a powerless shithole>still managed to wipe their asses with every US base in the area, cripple global oil production, wipe out US radar capabilities to the point the US is removing THAAD from South Korea to protect Israel, and the US has 3 carrier groups in the region that won't even approach the straight after the Houthi's chased 3 off in a row, and cost them an F35.
>>530358703Fuck off shitskin
>>530358970Iran is destroying the west saaar!
>>530353321>losing bases and support of Isreal was all part of Trumps plan.Honestly one side is getting played by Trump.
>>530355952kek, scaling back an empire such as yours is impossible. there is only collapse
>>530355010>w-w-we could have won Afghanistan if we wanted toC.O.P.E lmao
>>530358248>Russia/China will interveneThey are already helping Iran with intel and targeting data. With the way oil prices are going, Putin will send Iran arms and whatever they need to draw this out. He'd be stupid not to.
>>530352810Nukes. Use the same justification for them as in Japan.
>>530358970>cripple global oil productionFor who?
>>530358874>Why didnt they anticipate Iranians closing the strait?AI planned strategy, please understand. You must build more pylons (data centers).
>>530358874Because the Israeli/American establishment are compulsive liars, so when someone says they're going to do something, openly prepares to do it, and has a good reason to do something, they assume that it's too obvious so it must be a bluff.>>530358936>Yes they are weak as shit but have effective propaganda.This is one of those accusations that is actually a confession.>>530359026I'll be honest, I'd know it was bullshit if he tried it, but I'd play along. Mostly because it'd be funny.
>>530352810With boots on the ground, granted Russia and China don’t step in: sure. It’ll cost you, dearly, but it can be done.
>>530356127It's the Israelis. Trump and Hegseth are absolute retards, but they aren't making the decisions.
>>530358248>
>>530359012>can't argue with the truth>boogeyman copeslol. LMAO even.
>>530357654There is no way to grind and destroy anon. That's the problem. You don't have the resources to pull this off. Noone does. You invaded a country of 100 million zealots who actually did nothing to you in a terrain that is a worst nightmare for an aggressor against a country planning this for 40 years. What did you think would happen. You also made them the victim in everyone's eyes. You're right you will double down but you will just sink more like being in quick sand. This might destroy America imploding it economically and politically. Iran is taking you with them and it's a good thing you mutts deserve to die and go bankrupt.
>>530352810Promise american men the end of women's rights, that's all it will take to get enough people on board to go boots on the ground to win.
>>530358973The US is a shitskin nation now, and the faster we let this kiked government fall, the faster the parasites fuck off to greener pastures. I however will be staying, just like 400 years of my ancestors before me.
>>530359081Why would Bolsheviks attack their strategic allies?
>>530359125When the American population is dumbed down and increasingly non white, anti white Russian/Chinese propaganda becomes effective.
>>530352810They cannot lol. The Iranians are actually the least they have to worry about... How do you think these ragheads got all that fancy tech? It's China field testing their stuff while also selling it to them for cheap, while also developing it further with the data they acquire. At the same time US gets crippled and they go into Taiwan with noone stopping them. And Russia just slams in Ukraine with a serious show of force this time. Balance is about to shift from West to East cause the kikes are fed up with their Amerigolems.
>>530359210It's a shitskin nation because of low IQ whites like you who fall for anti western anti white propaganda
>>530352810Nukes, but they're not retarded enough to go that far.
>>530359236That article is from fucking 2012, at that point Russia hadn't been communist for long enough that kids who were born after the fall of the Soviet Union could vote. That article was from two years before the US completely destroyed relations with Russia with the Maidan coup and the neocons starting the new cold war.
>>530352810>Kim do nothing >won
>>530359171I'm trying to inform people of the secret relationship between Zionists and Bolsheviks.
>>530359374>not retarded enoughWe're talking about mutts
>>530359433
>>530355091you are a naive retard
>>530359201>You invaded a country of 100 million zealots who actually did nothing to you in a terrain that is a worst nightmare for an aggressor against a country planning this for 40 years. What did you think would happen.To think, Japan accidentally did exactly this with America little over 80 years ago. Kek. History really is cyclical. I wonder what "Pax Persia" will look like. Or "Pax Ruthenia", for that matter.
>>530352810It's all fake and gay anons
>>530359413The Bolsheviks never left Moscow, we're still in the same old cold war. Also I don't like ((Zelensky)) or the western Jewish elite who seem to disagree a little with Chabad Lubavich.
>>530359370>Oh no, we have to preserve the jew world order that is currently engaged in killing us slowly!>You just have to, ok?!
>>530359625>I'll parrot the federal propaganda line, but I'll also throw in a quick jab at Zelensky to make it seem like I'm not a shill.You're not clever.
>>530353017Are you a woman? This is what you call a harebrained idea.
>>530352810Certainly not without a ground invasion. I wonder why US hesitates though. Maybe it isn't and is just building up force. Probably need a 300k zerg rush.
>>530353413t.
>>530358874The Israeli regime is making the decisions and they are demented.
>>530353036It's a Jewish trick
>>530359490Many glowies shill against the Russian government, but not because of ((Putin)) or his Bolshevik ties.
>>530359741Iran's topography means it's a fortress. Study some more, do some more work, you're not doing a very good job here
>>530359784Yes they do. You're so full of shit.
>>530352810
>>530359547>I wonder what "Pax Persia" will look like. Probably more or less what the planned borders of greater israel were supposed to be. They won't be that bad for the region, although we may have to send them some of our current politicians so the can be hanged from cranes to appease them (and that's a good thing).>Or "Pax Ruthenia", for that matter.Current Russia plus most of Eastern Europe as one state, Western Europe as independent countries again but heavily reliant on Russia for trade. Again, nothing worth dying to try to stop.
>>530359663You want America to collapse into a communist revolution where whites are slaughtered
>>530359891You're putting words in my mouth, faggot.
>>530359713Even glowies like Richard Spencer (who used to shill for Russia and Iran) will attack Russia but not expose the hidden Jewish connections.
>>530359891I voted for that.
>>530359891Oh, and you didn't capitalize the W, obvious jew.
>>530359840Because afganistan isn't the same? Even more so afganistan is landlocked while with Iran they could have sea logistics. Moutains is hard, doesn't mean it would stop an invasion. It's gonna happen too. You think they're boiling the frog just for giggles? They will invade.
>>530359843I guarantee you if you started calling out Putin for being a Bolshevik to an anti Russia shill they'd want to stop talking.
>>530359885Pax Ruthenia intrigues and worries me. Sure, we won't be financially raped pay pigs any more.But that'll be because we're fucking poor. Like, I'm poor now, but there's shit like roads, and hospitals, and water you can drink.But nobody can afford rent or a mortgage at the moment either... Choices, choices...
>>530359942Whatever fed. Nobody's falling for your shit.
>>530359957You shilled for him, Ivan
>>530359961I'm a Jew meanwhile you want the west to collapse so that ((Brics)) can takeover. Again you low IQ normie whites who just discovered Jewry are being fooled.
>>530353565https://archive.is/LA5ZA
>>530353804You will, because there isn't any other way to secure the nuclear materials in Iran. and until those are secured Israel can just screech that Iran is 2 wks away from a nuke any time they want and then Iran starts bombing US assets again. You don't seem to understand how badly this has fucked the US in just 10 days. All alliances with the Arab states are in disrepair and Japan, worst Korea, Philippines, Taiwan etc are all realizing the US can't be relied on and is on the leash of genocidal Israel. So there go good relations with the world's largest oil suppliers and the leading technology partners, along with decades of future weapons sales.
>>530354653These are words to live by
>>530353017We have been filling the military with people who think like this since the mid 2000s and wonder why were losing
>>530354000CHECKEDI think this is exactly Iran's strategy, they are doing a very smart carrot and stick routine>>530354651Based TE Lawrence appreciatorBut I bet you the Iranians have had the same thought and their diplomats are working overtime to whisper dreams of a greater muslim co-prosperity sphere>>530354095hey dumbfuck did you ever consider that the protest massacrs might have been massively exaggerated for propaganda purposes? Even Google's cucked AI speculates that the real number of deaths was closer to 3-4000 and that some of them were likely Mossad assets
>>530354775>>entire navy on the ocean floor>>airforce destroyed2 weeks ago you didn't give a shit about the Iranian navy or airforce, with good reason: Iran's war strategy has never revolved around marine or air dominance. They know they can't win head to head against the US this way. The navy losses may have impacted their ability to lay mines, but I think some of their air force is sitting in tunnels, the US has been spending millions of $ bombing decoys and painted silhouettes because the department or war is run by an egotistical retard with no combat experience who thinks he knows better than all the highly decorated general staff and has a hardon for war crimes.
>>530352864keknick fuentes' slot in the shill lineup got jacked by a foreignershouldn't have worshipped a jew you stupid faggot
>>530352810Nuke their 10 largest cities.Destroy their water capacity.Poison any large bodies of water with radiation.The sad part is the kikes are actually insane enough to do this.
>>530357108Very plausible. Iran seems to be using the targeting ability they have from Russia to play very clear tit-for-tat about infrastructure. It strikes me that if Israel loses their desalination plants it causes massive strategic problems for them too - how long can their cities operate without fresh water supplies?
>>530359206>Promisemake it into law first, orange nigger showed he do not keep them
>>530357426>Well, the US could nuke Iran i guess. No realistic option exist other than that im afraid.I don't think this happens. Trump is a child of the cold war so deep down he's scared of nukes. plus if the US sets off a nuke people will just start murking Americans worldwide and akmost every other country that matters will cut ties. Is there are nukes I expect them to come from Israel, but they will have the same problem.>Ground invasion is way way way too expensive for the usa.Yes, but we are governed by the king of debt (trump), a wannabe strongman (rubio), and a psychotic alcoholic warfighter!! (hegseth) who are all sociopathic narcissists adn who have a cult of about 50 million MAGAtards behind them. Riots in teh streets? Declare martial law and let Stephen miller go hog. The worse it gets the more they'll up the stakes saying we just haven't done enough violence yet, while alswo believing against all evidence that we are the biggest and strongest and fightingest and we just need to be allowed to get in there and shoot people to turn this thing around.
>>530359966Iran's terrain makes Afghanistan look like a walk in the park, and where Afghanistan was an amalgamation of tribes loosely unified under the Taliban, Iran is a solid, unified country that now has Khameni, and all those kids that got missile striked as martyrs. >coastIran may have coastline, but taking a port doesn't mean anything when they'd still have to walk over the mountains, with Iran still firing missiles off.The US might not even be able to take a port in Iran without Iran sinking at least one ship that gets close enough to deploy coastal forces. So far the 3 USCG's in the area won't get close enough.
>>530360133>goy vey stop wanting the jewish coalition to lose AAAAAAAThat's nice, now get in the oven schmuel
>>530360133>((Brics)) can takeoverI won? But I did nothing.
>>530357893No he can't, because as long as Iran has nuclear material Israel can shriek they are 2 weeks away from getting a bomb and start the shit all over again. We cannot declare victory and be taken seriously unless we confiscate Iran's nuclear materials, because we have made a nuclear Iran into the monster under the bed.If we walk away and Iran still has the capacity for a nuke, what was any of it for? And how do we stop Israel bombing them again, only for Iran to bomb US assets again? By letting Netanyahu call the shots the US has now given up control of the situation and has no easy way of taking it back.
>>530352810An autistic high school boy could have managed this war better than Trump and Hegseth. They abandoned our bases, have no Persian Gulf presence, and didn't protect our irreplaceable radar systems. And NO PLAN to counter the Iranian closing of the Strait of Hormuz outside of angry tweets.
>>530352810Regardless of what happens from here on out, the war has been catastrophic from a public relations perspective and diplomatic perspective for both the US and Israel.You can't just go around the world murdering leaders and attempting to take over their nations without justification and not cause serious long-term blowback.
>>530359885>we may have to send them some of our current politicians so the can be hanged from cranes to appease them (and that's a good thing).This could be a unifying moment that cements friendship between the US and Iran for a generation
>>530352810The only way to win is to glass the terrorist scum. Hopefully they glass Israel too and we hit two birds with one stone
>>530363486correct facts but utterly lacks the artistic charm of the original, D-tier
Israel > all othersMy local Protestant pastor said so
>>530352810The only move is securing petrol trade and letting the rest go
its over
>>530352810yes. obviously.how are you even asking?you've witnessed the INDUSTRY of modern jewish warfare for the last 25 years straight.the way to win a war is to turn it into a business.the longer is lasts, the better.the more people that die, the better.
>>530367635You’ve made a great point, let’s look at it that way. Who benefits from this situation? The way it looks, China. That’s about it.
Ladies this war is already over. Iran is fucked. Consider the water reservoirs north of Tehran are about empty due to Iranian sand nigger incompetence. Blow up the dams and Tehran is drinking camel piss and bathing in sewage. Destroy Kharg Island and their economy goes back to the dark ages. Drop a few nukes in the desert near Tehran and the sand niggers will glow for a hundred years and Persian pussy will be cheap and radioactive. Use tactical nukes on the underground missle sites and its over. Never forget the Jews were already put in the ovens they will march Iran in feet first. They have over 200 nukes and will nuke Tehran and kill ten million sand niggers before they go into the ovens again. Quite the pile of shit.
>>530352810>Give it to me straight.....is there any way for the US and Israel to win this war?Yes, sending 2M soldiers into Iran and willing to absorb half coming home in a bag or missing limbs. And as stoopid as it sounded in both Transformers and Transformers TLK, it's true: no sacrifice, no victory. America and Israel seems to think they can subdue a 90M nation by bombing it from the air....Dude, this didn't work out for Mustache Man in 1940 against Britain, what makes you think it would work for U?If you want to topple the regime in Tehran, you need to send in millions of troops and accept that half of them will come home in a bodybag or crippled, physically and mentally. And it may not work even then...Of course, you can launch a dozen nukes against Tehran, Tabriz, Shiraz, Isfahan and other major population centers...that will STILL not stop Iran from bombing the Dimona nuke facility in Israel and turning it into Chernobyl on steroids.Of course, the US being rid of Israel would be a massive prositive in the long run....but you are ran by zionists who made you believe you are there to serve them...instead of serving yourself.this is about as straight as it gets
>>530354775Wars are not won by having a better score.
>>530355952Thats very difficult because our exorbitant privilege to spend like drunk sailors is dependent in no small part on protecting the gulf states. If the US were to become a normal country, it's debts would actually matter and American goods would have to be internationally competitive. We're looking at 20-30% of American purchasing power evaporating as the country regresses to Western European levels, and public services degrade more. You don't realize how much Trump gambled for effectively nothing. This was a war he started when he did not have to.
>>530371661Hello jidf.
>>530357108Iran shatters Israeli and Gulf desalination in response. Gg no re.
>>530352810Nope. Maybe this will be the 206 lth time the Jews get kicked out
>>530372650>regresses to Western European levels, and public services degrade moreYour public services are already a bad joke compared to Europe.
What theories are schizos using to explain what is happening?Because Israel and the US don't seem to be acting rationally, so I suppose there's ample room for conspiracy theories, right?
>>530372960I'm aware. This war is mind boggling stupid, especially the tactical skill of the US Navy who appear to have learned nothing from last year. Yemen was tutorial mode for essentially the scenario of Iran closing the Strait, and they appear to have made 0 adjustments.
>>530372715Snow nigger did your Maltese survive the brutal sexual abuse you put her through last night? Disgusting subhuman trash.
>>530373235Israel is acting rationally. They see Iran as their only serious threat. The crumbling of their missile defenses last year under Iranian bombardment demonstrated they have a limited window before Iran calls the shots. They need Iran wrecked fast, and the best way to do that is entangling America in a forever war.Unfortunately, Trump and Kegbreath actually believe American military propaganda, are idiots that didn't understand anything that happened Yemen, and fundamentally believe trade is bad.
>>5303735742026.it's 2026, you've had literal decades of idiocy infesting the entirety of canada, and yet you think we're bothered by some dumb reference to a legal loophole that was closed a month after it's reported on?
>>530352910Losing? Their entire Air Force and navy have been obliterated into non-existence. Iran is fighting with the scraps they have left. And we will let them do so, because the longer the war wages on, the more money defense contractors make. Prolonging wars is a game to us, we do it to make money. We have the ordinances to turn their entire country into glass if we wanted to, but where’s the profit in that?
>>530353413Real conflicts aren't solved by call of duty rules
>>530373235Israel views turning Iran into a failed state as a positive, because destabilizing the gulf will let them expand as they please. Netenyahu baited Trump into this: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jdrfaBeu3yI
>>530352848>Emirates, Qatar Airways & Etihad Resume Flights As Middle East Airspace ReopensAre they laughing at us? How dare they while we are still winning against the evil zionists who think Israel is a country
Did everyone forget about all the evil things we've been posting about jews? How can you let them exist while we are posting such horrible memes about them all day? It doesn't make sense. What do think? It was actually us vpn shills that were the badys all be along?
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>>530353664Democrats will posture like they're against it while making sure to have just enough votes to pass. Its neocons all the way down.
>>530357185>I personally hope Congress doesn't even go along with the way and Congress refuses to declare war on Iran.Congress already confirmed trump's war powers, ergo, confirmed the current war, which satanic speaker Johnson, a republican from Louisiana, called "not a war, a military operation"
>>530352810So much winning for our loved leader
>>530377614Republicans are simply insane on foreign policy. Unfortunately, elections have consequences.
>>530352810Armchair reporting in. Short answer: yes, but only as a prolonged war against an enemy prepared to dig in forever. Turbo-Afghanistan. This is exactly why we've avoided it for 30-40 years. And since Iran's missile and drone programs are fairly advanced, this would all be happening while they're flinging shit at our bases and Israel. So, imagine the events of last week repeated for two years, easy.Remember: we did this buy-in on a ground war from our allies and the neighbours. It wouldn't be easy if we'd done that; it'll be a challenge to convince them to join midstream.tl;dr - if we really want to pour everything into this, sure. If we don't have that, it's going to end in a stalemate or settlement.
>>530353017>The Iranian leadership keeps dyingThe Iranian leadership is giving interviews to CNN broadcasting from Teheran. US hasn't actually killed any leadership since Feb 28.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r676l9GM-uI
>>530377828It's going to end in outright humiliation that can only be mitigated to the extent that America throws Israel under the bus. Since Republicans are in charge, its going to be a lot of humiliation.
>>530352810I don't think they have any path to "winning" no. Because it would take either a massive ground invasion resulting in huge American deaths that would see Trump gone before any victory, or nukes, which would make ZOG a global pariah, ruin the US economy, and Trump would be gone, effectively a pyrrhic victory. Their best bet is to impeach Trump, blame him for the mess, say he went rogue, give some concessions to Iran like closing bases and removing sanctions on them. Israel will be furious but they know no they have no chance to win any war against Iran on their own so they can get fucked. That's the best damage limitation for the USA now.
>>530359206>PromisePromises are how you get screwed by the upper class you suck up so much.
>>530378031Where's the leadership interview? I just see a CNN zionist pigdog walking freely in Tehran recording impacts
>>530378211Were you fingering your axe wound while you wrote that massively out of touch tranny fanfic?
>>530378211>or nukesTheres this weird presumption that nukes are some kind of military wonder weapon. In reality, their only purpose is mass civilian death, which will do fuck all besides get america dogpiled by the rest of the world. Basically all actual Iranian assets are buried deep undergrund, and nukes are terrible for bunker busting. Devastating the cities would be a huge blow, but the IRGC itself would persist and be able to continue as a fully fanatic bunker dwelling doomsday cult.
>>530378507>Published 22 hours agoHere you go: CNN's interview with Kharazi, recorded in downtown Teheran.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4n5visLZSmE
>>530378710The USN still can't force open the Strait of Hormuz. One of very few jobs they have had since the end of the Cold War. This is a disastrous loss for the US.
>>530378055>America throws Israel under the bus.Politically, there's no way to do that. End of story. It's disheartening, but the incentives only support blaming Trump and Hegseth for not properly "executing your mission," not that Israel had no reason to believe any attack was imminent nor the nuclear program TWO WEEKS from X. The entire Congress is circumcised and proud of it. We will very unironcally run out of our last bullet before Israel gets sold up-river, no matter how nakedly they use us.
>>530352810>Give it to me straight.....is there any way for the US and Israel to win this war?Yes. Boots will go on the ground. It will be a quagmire. Some bullshit is going to drag us back in, and deeper. Israel will not allow this current dynamic to exist, they will burn the world down to get their agenda.
>>530378756Tbh, the only people acting like a fanatic doomsday cult are the Americans and Israelis.
>>530378882>but the incentives only support blaming Trump and Hegseth for not properly "executing your mission,"Congress would need to block him from continuing the conflict. Which it can't really do if that isn't followed by impeachment & removal from office (which is suicide for the GOP anyways).
>>530378882To be honest, Hegseth completely fucked up. It was his job to recognize after the Yemen and Iran campaigns last year that the US Navy could not stop the Iranians from closing the strait, and the Air Force could not meaningfully disrupt Iran's escalation dominance over Israel with conventional ballistic missiles.He was the guy to tell Trump that they can't do a 4 day special military operation, and over the last 6 months or so clearing house to get the USN into a state where this could be a possible. But he's a retarded drunk meathead.
>>530379032Precisely. I mean laying blame, not getting this conflict ended, even frozen. The establishment will pretend they had nothing to do with this come 2028, that's about it. And you'll never hear a goddamn word about getting sold a bill of goods by Mossad/IDF/take your pick.
>>530379241>He was the guy to tell Trump that they can't do a 4 day special military operationHe probably did, and then Trump told him that Bibi said "jump", so they don't have a choice. So full cheerleader "Muh Merica" is all he can do.
>>530378855Oh no what a loss. Is it because the US Navy is all trannies now? It'll be over for them in 2 weeks you say?
>>530379371Hegseth is actually a fanatical Christian Zionist and a crusader LARPer. I guarantee you he did not. This could be fine if we were actually pivoting to Asia where this Israeli chauvinism is irrelevant, but it has been Trump's policy to pivot back toward the Middle East from his first term until.
>>530379241Sure. That means Hegseth is the first to go. But short of Trump having a stroke, he's still there and still flogging "my based Israeli Golan Heights condo." There's no real political base to tell Israel to fuck off, not after Gaza, not even after this. Political institutions simply refuse it, hoping the rabble will simmer down after getting told they're anti-Semitic. Traditionally, that DOES work.We don't choose the machinery; it chooses itself now. And that's wholly wrested by interests aligned with Israel.
>>530379241Did you guys train this bot on Hillary Clinton's memoirs?
>>530379404>Is it because the US Navy is all trannies now?It's because the US Navy (read: the USS Ford) is all zoomers that are stuck on a ship in the Red Sea with clogged shitters whilst it flies sorties over Israel using $100M+ planes firing $1M+ missiles at $20k drones.Because ground-based AD stocks are apparantly 'still basically full' according to all (((government sources))) in the area.
>>530379598Worse than that, he's basically a 13-year-old circa 2003. He thinks simply bombing it until they surrender is the purest expression of strength, therefore the best course of action, America, hot dogs, cheeseburger.
>>530379632Wow I like how you pulled clog gate into your fanfic.
>>530379404The US Navy has just been neglected since the Iraq War and allowed to become horrifically corrupt (Fat Leonard Scandal) and horrifically inept (various FONOPS collisions).
>>530379032If the war becomes a big enough poison pill, the GOP might find it too big to swallow and sack Trump anyway. Between the economy, Epstein, and the war? After a certain point he becomes an existential threat to the party and they can only save face by being the ones to remove him from power. They won't get any credit if they play for time and the democrats end up doing it after the midterms. Trump USED to be untouchable and too poilitically huge to oppose. But considering his age and that he can't run again anyway, at some point the math on that changes and the benefits of keeping him around are outweighed by the long term damage being done.
>>530379672>>530379598Why is Hegseth saying this is just the beginning? Trump saying "this is the end" because we're ahead of schedule? and they exposed the willingness to deploy National Guard to all 50 states?Because it looks like this "War" is being fought in phases. I guarantee you guys SOMETHING is going to draw us back in with BOOTS on the ground.
>>530379797At least you guys switched off the zion don one liners to paragraphs. More intellectual sounding
>>530379795>fanficThe Ford docked in Greece on Feb 25th The Ford entered the Suez on March 5th after the Lincoln started needing its help.I'm sure they fixed their issues.
>>530379617To be fair, Iran and China wouldn't be as problematic as they are now with a decade of JCPOA and TPP we would have gotten under Clinton.
>>530379835>trump says this is the endI don't know about Hegseth, but Trump also said, "This is just the beginning." An hour after claiming "this is the end." To be blunt, his thinking is collapsing. I wouldn't trust any of their estimates as reflecting reality or genuine vibes. They just say stuff to be quoted, especially that which sounds impressive, significant, and headline-worthy. That's about it.>EXPOSED the willingness, etc.Once again, they've been using the old "we're going to unleash the FULL FURY, etc." line. Wanting to do something and actually doing it are two different things. Until the Guards are called up, I wouldn't trust it.
>>530379829>They won't get any credit if they play for time and the democrats end up doing it after the midterms.The only reason that comes to mind is narrowly avoiding being seen as "traitors" by MAGA. They want that base to turn out in the midterms to "defend the President" and shore up any weak races. If they can align the votes to get the Democrats to pass it and have 1-2 "designated heel" GOP members go along, they get their cake and eat it too. Worst case, MAGA gets the ultimate "you fell for it again" award.
>>530380075Think about Israel, AIPAC, Lindsey Graham, Mossad, Epstein, their nukes, Netanyahu, Hegseth.Do you think these people are going to roll over and call it quits? These people are religious fanatics, they've invested too much to see their agenda fall apart, they are willing to tip over the entire table for their agenda even sacrficing the US in the process.
>>530379978IDDoo dems maintain a tranny texting app where you tell them to strategically flush their dialators in protest?
>>530380015Why the heck would Democrat party members be discussing anything on 4chan lol. New lows
>>530380075America doesn't have the cards. This ends when Iran wants it to end.
>>530380075>Trump also said, "This is just the beginning." An hour after claiming "this is the end.">"They have no more telecommunications">I heard about this from CNN, who's broadcasting from Teheran with permission from the Iranian government>CNN heard it on Iranian radio & saw it on national tvIt's starting to just become incoherent at this point.They're claiming to be 'close to victory' whilst having killed less than 10k people in a country of 90M, with the CIA 'estimating' that the regular Iranian Army ground forces had 350k personnel in 2025 and the IRGC had estimated 150-200k on top of that.
>>530380346>America doesn't have the cards. This ends when Iran wants it to end.This is precisely why we're in the most dangerous phase. The very existence of Israel now is in jeopardy. So what do you do?Some False flag, some bullshit that drags boots on the ground. Think like a Jew and it becomes clearer what is going to happen.
>>530380353If the US actually had the honorable warfighter culture Hegseths larps about, he and a bunch of admirals would be committing seppuku for fucking up this badly.
>>530380243>think about IsraelLet me stop you right there. It's possible some of these figures have guaranteed golden parachutes or lifelong AIPAC lobbyist positions, making it worth risking everything. NOT all of them are religious enough to think they're seeing Jesus at the end of this. And not nearly all of them are getting a sweetheart deal!To maintain a semblance of power, even a functioning minority in Congress, they need to either sell this war or end it. Doing it half-heartedly and expecting voters to accept "TWO MORE WEEKS" while gasoline prices soar, input costs skyrocket, the economy stalls, all after the opposite was promised? The party needs to survive. This particular set of golems doesn't.
>>530380353Instead of spreading doubt on 4chins to prop up the dying lefty world order, shouldn't you be supporting the West in its objectives? Retarded strategy
>>530380508No, he's just doing the old MySpace-tier "let's glass all the sandmonkeys" shit and thinking that's enough to carry the day now.
>>530380449You're probably correct. Bush Sr was probably the last time Republican foreign policy was not completely delusional. It's more delusional than Dubya, who at least had a domino theory of toppling other ME regimes and saving Iran for last.
>>530380592You're generating reddit spaced and word processed paragraphs of political scripting at 10k words/sec next to "you're a kikel schlomo" lmfao
>>530380592And they can't sell it with "muh wmds" since that was supposedly destroyed last year.
>>530380592The US Gov has been compromised for decades, now you have obvious Politicians quoting biblical scripture. Most of them are blackmailed. These people are legitimately fucking crazy, then you have to zoom out to the financial system which is cracking with Private credit, Japan's Bond crisis, the world saturated in debt which was one of the major factors in WW1 and WW2.In my opinion. This is going to ratchet up, and now, all it takes is ONE tanker being hit in the Strait to re-invigorate the topple Iran talk again by the Zionists and Neo-cons and even AIPAC democrats.
>>530380613>Calling out absolutely retarded statements is "propping up the dying lefty world order"Never underestimate the retardation of the mutt. He will always prove himself more retarded than that.
>>530380957>Mutt>EU designed to mix 40+ different countries together with nafris..Ok lol
>>530380838>word processed paragraphs of political scripting at 10k words/secIt took me 6 minutes to write 8 sentences. Are you retarded?
>>530380879The Republican party is composed of yokels that don't know and don't care about that stuff.
>>530381143The EU is gay and needs to be culled.But most of its current governments have already been fully infiltrated, so we're pretty much fucked atm. I have no problem admitting this.
>>530380839True, though Israel managed to do a bank shot with Lindsay Graham, sold him some line on "ultra top seekrit intelligence even the Americans don't tell me" (read: lies). That's basically micro-targeted "muh WMD's" launched at the softest Boomer brains in the world.
>>530381198It doesn't fit. All this reddit spaced circle jerking here is totally out of place.
