> there is no defense against modern drones and advanced missiles> this is a survival war for US and is not looking good> trump virtually lost all bases in the middle east in a week> yes theoretically the bases are still there but you can't use them because you can't defended them> the bases are sitting ducks in the middle of fucking desert> kinda like captain obvious now if you think about it> iran had put all their stuff underground like mole rats.> this means they can randomly shot stuff for years from a mountain area big like half of Europe> every time you build an outhouse in your base> pam bum drone or rocket on your head> so now> you could abandon the area letting the arabs prey to the chinese and/or russia> in this case it means the petrodollar is fucked> no one will buy your dollars if they can access the oil directly> if you lose middle east you also lose africa > so is obligatory that you need to take bases back> only options then is to get to iran and find all tunnels where iran launchers are located> obligatory troops on the ground> it will not be easy as russians and chinese will do all they can to not let you go to tunnels> any area you conquer you need to wipe it out because the population will be hostile> huge PR problem> you need a lot of troops> mandatory military draft will be necessary> at least you have ICE already established that can snipe draft dodgers with easeanything I've forgot?
>>530374869we could use our infinite jeets as cannon fodder. strap em to the outside of tanks.
>>530374869>there is no defense against modern drones and advanced missilesalready wrongstart over
>there is no defense against modern drones and advanced missilesThere is but the surface to air (SAM) missiles are very expensive so it's easy to overload an enemy's defenses by using a lot of cheaper drones.
>>530374869Nothing really changed.Was there defense against artillery shells? Bunkers? Make bigger artillery shells then.Battleships became obsolete once weapons hit with some reliability.Heavy tanks have become obsolete.Active defenses have always been obsolete because it was just a numbers game. Never enough AAA to shoot down all bombers or missiles. Worse case you launch 100 rockets or drones at once.>it's not gonna catch them allOf course armor and defensive systems increase periodically, but if the offensive systems become cheaper it fails.That's why real war, for the last 150 years or more, was about disabling the enemies industry and ability to mobilize or organize, disrupt infrastructure, spread propaganda, disable communications, et cetera.This is also why peer conflicts tend to not happen anymore.>too destructiveFor a long time the USA held a sufficient advantage to bully virtually everybody, but that's no longer the case.
yes off course I've forgot the most important thing> you need to get to the tunnels before the iranians finish their nuclear weapon
>>530375135yes, well then there is no defense. trump already lost the expensive toys
>>530374869Cant we just bunker bust the mountain tunnels? Send our own drones in to map them? Then send a second drone behind with cheap explosives. Get deep in there and start collapsing tunnels. This war is easily winnable its just that Trumps hands are tied because of public sentiment about boots on the ground.
>>530374869Sounds like a bunch of cope fantasies
>>this is a survival war for US and is not looking goodWrong, as the US will exist for a long time and will probably still remain as the top world power throughout the 2030s at least.>>if you lose middle east you also lose africaThis makes no sense for anything bellow the Sahara Desert and outside the Red Sea region.>>huge PR problem>>you need a lot of troops>>mandatory military draft will be necessaryNot necessarily. NATO's Article 5 is an option and could be activated again just like in Afghanistan and Iraq.
>>530375576there already are examples of US and Israel sophisticated surveillance drones getting shot down. is not so easy to figure out where the tunnels are and the iranians can also just wait and keep sending one rocket a day.more you bomb their peoplemore united they get> is like 9/11 in reverse, they got their twin towers down they are united against a common threat like US was after 2001 till at least 2005
>>530375576Not gonna work with an enemy actually defending himself. Even in Afghanistan the tunnels were a big problem, and these guys had nothing but firearms and sandals.The issue the USA has is simply one of cost.>they can't afford that shit anymore And over-reliance on certain systems, like aircraft and nukes that don't get used.Best way to bust bunkers like you're facing in Iran is, ironically, precisely what Iran itself is using:>ballistic missilesThey're fairly cheap, pack a massive punch and don't risk losing aircraft.
>>5303757212030 is in 3 and half years. if they don't win the war by the yes you are right the US is fuckedNATO was never in Afghanistan&Iraq, get your military ducks in order if you want to be credible. US and Eu troops still a lot of troops needed.
>>530375721You clearly have no idea what Article 5 is.Protip: it's virtually useless and only relevant if the USA feels like doing something - and even if they do what help is Europe supposed to provide that the USA can't already supply by itself?Meaning it's purely a numbers came.>free cannon fodder
>>530374869Israel, Netanyahu, and Kushner *want* the US destroyed so Greater Israel can rule the globohomo world.
>>530374869During Vietnam war USA lost 10k aircraftsDuring the battle of Kursk only Russian loses were 7k of tanks.We need to bring back a lot of cheap equipment and human wave attacks.I think, chinks will be capable to do that.
Why would we waste our best interceptor tech for israel? Let them die. They dont even care about their own people. You gotta be stupid or something if you think a missile will ever hit continental USA
>>530374869Irans drones have a 90 percent plus interception rate. Never start long spam with a lie. No one will bother reading further.
>>530374869We are unironically about to witness the birth of a new persian empire as a world power. They will take over the gulf states and make the persian gulf an iranian lake.
>>530376885only while the MD lasted, and it's nearly run out. LOL
>>530374869There is, like C-RAM. But you cannot put those things everywhere. Or you can, but then you'd have to design your cities around anti-aircraft batteries.
>>530377255>There is, like C-RAM. But you cannot put those things everywhere. Or you can, but then you'd have to design your cities around anti-aircraft batteries.why?A regular strategy in RTS games
>>530376885even 1 getting throught to wreck shit means the defense failed
>>530374869>this is a survival war for US and is not looking goodstopped reading there. you have no idea what you are talking about and this is just engagement farming slop
>>530374869> there is no defense against modern drones and advanced missilesWe have literally seen the videos of their interceptions. Stopped reading your faggot shit there, faggot. kys before the AIDS does.
>>530376076>>530376167>NATO didn't -ACK!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Assisthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Active_EndeavourBasically NATO helped the US with clean-up operations and reduce the cost of war (Active Endeavour) and adapt early (Eagle Assist), and make no mistake, it will again if required. The G7 is already engaged with oil price dumping to help the US effort against Iran.If you think war is limited to kinetic exchanges, you need to read a book.
>>530377785And I forgot to mention all the bases, ports, airports, logistical hubs being used right now. You're already part of this war, just not on paper, for now.
>this is a survival war for US and is not looking goodaye you're a retard, no surprise here
>>530374869>Pic relatedThat's what you forgot. Drop Femshep and 2 elite level crack commandos into Tehran. A well-trained team of 3 coordinated guys can tear their whole damn nation to shreds in 3 days
>>530374869> there is no defense against modern dronesCIWS works, if it's turned on. Unfortunately CIWS tends to shoot a lot of things other than the enemy when it's turned on.>advanced missilesThey don't have to be advanced, just fast.Iran has been under satellite surveillance for a decade. They probably don't have a ton of hidden ballistic missile left ... the big question is how much anti-ship drones they have managed to hide near Hormuz. Those are the dangerous ones.
>>530375514If you loosed a thousand arrows at armored medieval knights, a few would find flesh, but I would hardly argue that there was no defense against arrows.
>>530377785That's actually a reasonable angle, yeah. It's more about economic concerns than outright military.The legitimate military concerns, besides the USA trying to drag Europe into their wars, all stem from the European side.>Pooland calls for aidAlthough that also was ruined when NATO decided to allow proxy states into the alliance, like Baltic nations, who can contribute nothing and serve only as a sacrificial lamb, to destabilise Russia and an US airstrip in WW3.
>>530378423Thing there is the armor still reduced severity of wounds and could be repaired.A $100 million SAM battery works a little different. It has to be perfect or will quickly become a useless waste of money.This shows in the supposed next gen MBTs too.>$25 million a popAnd there's a good chance it won't cost even half a million to destroy.The modern western thinking behind warfare simply is delusional.>we can't lose more than 100 guys max or it's ogre!Not only is this a lie it's also unworkable, essentially a psyop and mode of corruption.>let's build 100 invulnerable tanks that aren't invulnerable at all instead of 10000 tanks that actually work but aren't invulnerable
>>530375003The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where "feed" and "seed" both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Feeduck and Seeduck".
>>530376643We no longer have the manufacturing base to sustain something even remotely close to that, and building it back up after dismantling, selling off, or letting rot all the factories and equipment for the last 50 years would, itself, take years. This is exactly the same problem we ran into trying to help the Ukrainians just 4 years ago, and weapon stocks and rearmament ability were already looking grim with just that proxy war. If Iran holds out for longer than a few weeks, we're fucking cooked.
>>530374869>no defense against modern drones and advanced missiles true >this is a survival war for US NOPE. This is kikes/christians/muslims forcing religious prophecy/script. Destruction of Edom ( Christianity and the West ) and Amalek ( The White race ). >lost all bases big true, part of the plan >Iran put all their stuff underground, can shoot for years yes and no, technically those areas can be destroyed but because Edom must be destroyed, Rabbi Drumpf gave away soooo much of our missiles to Ukraine and israel, that its likely iran will win, unless they do nukes and biological/chemical weapons....which they will....because of abrahamism. >petrodollar is fucked big true, all going to plan >troops on the ground maybe, wouldnt be surprised
>>530374869>there is no defense against modern dronesLiterally nets.Spiders already taught us how to defeat flying enemies.
>>530374869The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all. The Great Reset is inevitable.
>>530374869THERE IS DEFENSE ALREADY KEKhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8RHEINMETALL MADE SOME
>>530379471>>let's build 100 invulnerable tanks that aren't invulnerable at all instead of 10000 tanks that actually work but aren't invulnerableSpot on.Tanks were literally invented to get across no-man's land and over trenches and barbed wire against small arms and machine guns. They just needed enough armor to stop machine guns. Now you have these monsters the size of houses that cost 5 to 10 times as much as one. They're supposed to do everything under the sun, and be invulnerable to everything, but I've seen the way modern warfare treats these overweight scrapheaps. The first nation that goes back to making huge numbers of cheap, light tanks that only have to move a field gun and be resistant to small arms fire with no expectation of massive survivability against much else might actually have a big edge, especially if a cheap anti-drone solution can be found.
>electromagnetic microwave pulse emitterhttps://x.com/realJohnJohnJr/status/2030845400945426467
>>530382268CIWS doesn't do shit when it's turned off and friendly fires when it's turned on.PS. they should have used the RMK30 as the gun, that recoil is terrible.
>>530382108This is why you see them making battle-barns in Ukraine. They still lose armor. If you were going to shoot the nets at them, that might be more effective, but you run right into the problem you'd have with any shooting system, which is that the drones are small and hard to track.Things like >>530382268 might work, but that's a dedicated platform, if it's not in the convoy, your armored column is a sitting duck. They need something they can effectively just bolt to already existing armor that can see and engage drones through all the EM scrambling.
>>530374869Literally nothing you just said is true, therefore no valuable analysis can possibly be gleaned from it
>>530382846EMP will do fuck all against something autonomous which is well put together.
>>530375576His example is stupid and wrong because he ignores the fact that these missiles need to be launched from launchers which get obliterated with $35k LUCAS drones the second they stick their heads up. Destruction of launchers is the main reason Iranian launches of both missiles and drones has slowed so much. The Iranians are completely down for the count and just camping to try to run out the clock at this point
>>530374869>this is a survival war for USstopped reading right there. completely ridiculous bullshit. the USA will lose, I think so and hope so, but the stakes are not on the national survival level. Iran has no ability to attack the USA itself.
>>530383766They don't need a lot to halt shipping.They only need to sink one.
>>530383766>just camping to try to run out the clockwell it worked for afghans
