If Persia and Eastern Rome never fell to the Muslims, humanity would be conquering galaxies and solved mortality.
>flagdo morrocan muslims allow themselves to be kneecapped by retarded fundamentalism? or is it more islam-lite
>>530439188They are too busy trying to deal with all the niggers to worry about being hard-core islamists rn
>>530439188nafris are chill
>>530439188They work with far left movements in France to try and open up borders in europe
>>530439188Morocco and North Africa isn't that Muslim extremist. Though I believe without Islam we would be far better, maybe like the West, North Africa spoke Latin at some point. Egypt would be a hub for civilization under Byzantium.
>>530438813The Byzantine set the stage for this by destroying the Copts btw
>>530438813If the situation was so great then why did it fall apart?
>>530439188Tunisia is kinda liberal IIRC
>>530439352Kek yeah if it wasn't for Morocco blocking the flow of subsaharians from its end after the collapse of the Libyan wall you be in another world of problemsWe even have to start hosting a substantial number of them within our borders because EU asked so
>>530439415We don't know, Arabs were minding their business for centuries until they decided to create a new religion and ruin everything. Islam is a big mystery.
>>530439415I believe Islam is conspiracy aimed to destroy humanity. Arabs only happened to be the ones who adopt it but they weren't the ones that created it.
>>530439303niggers know better to not fuck are around in north african countries there is no concept of consequences for the authorities out there if you fuck with the law you die and no one cares when it's comes down to the EU they go wild cause no they know they can get away with it
>>530439415Because OP is a retard, we have plenty of those here. Your 3rd iteration of judaism TM was very convenient to us for a time.It allowed us to structure ourselves as a nation, have some level of literacy, gain cultural influence from Persia and Iraq which impacted among other things our Architecture and to gain a more developed language than the archaic one we had
>>530439587>I believe Islam is conspiracy aimed to destroy humanityThe conspiracy is judaism and the two other cults are iterations of it
>>530439663Islam pretty much ruined middle east and north africa
>>530438813You do realize the crusaders sacked Constantinople right? It was barely functioning by the time the Ottomans took over.
>>530438813how the fuck did the byzantine empire let the ottoman empire form right next to them in the same country
>>530439729The Middle East was far ahead of Europe at that time. Islam stagnated the progress and gave Europe the opportunity to rise. If Islam didn't appear the world would belong to the Middle East.
>>530439738If Muslims didn't invade Byzantium, they wouldn't request the help of the crusaders in the first place.
>>530439825I doubt that very much middle east has never been influential Islam was the natural conclusion. It is quite possibly the most idiotic set of beliefs in world history.
>>530439738if only king Henry v survived we would be a galactic empire by now
>>530439889>middle east has never been influentiali hate the middle east, but it was very very influential during the "islamic golden age" period until the mongols invaded>>530439825>If Islam didn't appear the world would belong to the Middle Eastmongols would have still invaded i think (if genghis khan was born anyway, but then again who knows what would have happened ?? maybe another people would have invaded, maybe a 99% fatal plague would have killed everyone)
>>530439729Hard doubt. While it's a desert dwelling semitic cult like it's two big brothers, i don't see any hint that it ruined anything in the past but created a gel that made the region resistant to the cultural evolutions of the past 2 centuries.The region was the center of a war between two empires at the time and wasn't prosperous by any means. Uo until the turko-mongol invasions that region was thriving and infrastructure was being spread everywhere. Not necessarily because of Islam, but because it was ruled by people of the region (syrians with ummeyads and Iraqis and Iranians with abbassids) and benefited from the know how of different nodes of the empire.What completely fucked the region were the turco Mongol invasions which resulted in unprecedented levels of destruction and ended up with a Turkic ruled empire which disregarded mesopotamia in the Levant entirely, impoverished them, stopped any investment in infrastructure and was obsessed by its self attributed title of 2nd Roman Empire and EuropeFor Morocco in particular it was a great convenience. It allowed us by the force of things to become a country and not a collection of berber tribes prone to infighting and subservient to any invader. It allowed us to gain cultural influence from levantines, mesopotamians and Iranians, it gave us a more elaborate language and script, architecture and a semblance of intellectual corpus for a timeTimes change and the age of superstition is now over that means we need to evolve, but not totally reinvent ourselves and hate our past as that would only lead to a vacuum that would be filled by terribly retarded subcultures because the herds are retarded
>>530439825Doubt it, the ME would still get raped by Mongols, Europe would still be a collection of warring states, and a new friend/enemy line would be drawn, leading to similar strategic pressures. There are some elements to Islam that make its adherents dumber but the extent to which it can be blamed for ME backwardsness will probably never be quantified.
>>530439415Kill yourself kikel>>530439500I said it here. >>530439392 After the Council of Chalcedon in 451, Dioscorus of Alexandria was deposed and exiled, and the Egyptian church was pushed into a long conflict with the imperial church. This was all happening over some disagreements regarding the wording related to Christ's divinity. The Eastern Orthodoxy persecuted the Copts brutally. Imperial authorities deposed and exiled non Chalcedonian bishops, installed Chalcedonian patriarchs with military backing, and tried to force Egyptian bishops and monasteries to accept Leo’s Tome and the council. Under Justinian, the pressure continued in a more organized imperial form. The non Chalcedonian patriarch Theodosius of Alexandria was summoned to Constantinople in 536, and while he was not forced to publicly recant, he was effectively prevented from administering his patriarchate and kept under imperial surveillance for the rest of his life. The harshest phase happened in the reign of Heraclius and, in Egypt especially, with Cyrus of Alexandria in the early 7th century. The years before the Arab conquest are described as a period of "vicious persecution" of Coptic Christians by Cyrus. Scholarly summaries of Egyptian Christianity also note that Heraclius exiled Patriarch Benjamin and replaced him with Cyrus. Coptic tradition goes further and preserves accounts of torture, killings, forced transfer of churches, and Benjamin’s years in hiding. All of this does not mean all Copts welcomed the Arabs, because reactions were mixed, but it explains why Byzantine rule in Egypt had become so brittle by the 630s and 640s.
>>530440104It destroyed civilisations and created worship of Arabic slop. Its even more cucked when you realize the entire religion was invented by Mohammed to justify raping kids. And you have some guy in north Africa defending it as religion that raped his ancestors and forced you to worship Arabs as God its cucked from the bery start and serves no purpose..it completely ruined the Levant ruined north Africa irrecoverably and ruined Anatolia. Everywhere Islam went it just created trash look how it ruined Egypt ruined Anatolia they can only stand in shadows of superior pre Islamic people
>>530438813Nothing more embarassing than self hating cucks tbqh, you dont see retarded mutt christian zionists showing this kind of remorse over their upbringing depiste being the primary force of all evil plaguing the world right nowno matter how much you bent over and take it in the ass you will never be accepted by anyone here, the sooner you understand this the better
>>530440203What makes you different from zionist exactly? You fight for open borders and worship Arabs and jews
>>530440104>It allowed us to gain cultural influence from levantines, mesopotamians and Iraniansnigger what part of your culture is levantine mesopotamian or Iranian ?>>530440104>it gave us a more elaborate language and script, architecture and a semblance of intellectual corpusthe parts of north africa that were under rome or rome influenced were already developing all of that you dumb ignorant nigger. You are against islam but you still believe in the fairytale of camel piss drinking arabs teaching berbers ?
>>530440104>>530440425let me reiterate what part of your culture is levantine mesopotamian or Iranian other than your possible religion and part of your language ?
>>530440260I, like you and many faggots in this god foresaken website, just want to live a happy and boring life, maybe find a loving partner, raise a kid or two and die without regrets when my time comesa zionist is looking to start nuclear war by bombing kids like its a sport because somehow that will trigger the rapture and he will ascend to heaven or some shit, at least thats what the jews told him
>>530440529Islam is just zionism there is no difference and its why historically jews and muslims were in alliance. Look at Ottomans for example.jews were given huge rights and privileges while for example Serbs had their children stole from them and the Muslims castrated them. And today Muslims invade europe working proudly for open borders ngos and murder people even at public markets.
>>530438813we have ourselves and our infinite friendship with one another, we also have gypsies
>>530440425>>530440502Under Rome Berbers were thriving, now the Berber language is going extinct to Arabization.
>>530440196>The harshest phase happened in the reign of HeracliusThat's like writing about what Heraclius did to the Jews without giving the context of what the Jews were doing to Christians during the Sasanian occupation. The Copts went on a tear and the Persians and Romans both knew it for what it was, undermining of Roman authority. Why the former let it ride and the latter came back and escalated pre-occupation institutional harassment of Monophysites to post-occupation executions.
>>530440198>It destroyed civilisationsNot by any mean. Not during the Abbassid and Ummeyad era where the region was at a historical Zenith and much better off than during the conflicted reign of Sassanids and Byzantine.>and created worship of Arabic slopFor Jewish slop. Islam is applied rabbinic judaism with an emphasis on Jewish law.>And you have some guy in north Africa defending it as religionKek I would never defend abrahamics but I'm not one to blind myself out of hate either. We were mountain dwelling tribes that were frozen in the bronze age to iron age before that and without that wave we would be like central Africa.>forced you to worship Arabs as GodWe got rid of arabs as soon as Ummeyads started treating us as second grade citizens and that is what led to our formation as a country and since then remained insular to any form of hegemony all while being open to cultural influence, our architecture, traditional chants and dressings are a testimony of it.>it completely ruined the LevantIt really didn't. The Levant was ruined by the endless wars waged there because it was between two empires and before that was also in a state of endless wars and cruel superstitions because no central providential authority managed to pacify it. The abbassids and ummeyads were arguably the greatest grace period that region had and it ended with the arrival of mongols and turks. I have very deep knowledge of the history of that region up until the early bronze age because it's a source of fascination to me>it just created trash look how it ruined EgyptEgypt was already greatly degraded by the time Arabs arrived and if anything it gave Egypt a second grace period with the ummeyads up until the fatimids.When the ptolemaic dynasty arrived, they segregated natives, forced them to wear distinctive clothing and used it as a colony. When romans arrived that was unironically the worst phase for Egypt as I was used as a granary, drained of its resources and abused
>>530440425>nigger what part of your culture is levantine mesopotamian or Iranian ?Our so called Andalusian Architecture is founded upon Persian architecture as Andalusia was built upon the Baghdad model
>>530439332Lmao then why are they so shit in Spain?
>>530440795but the umayyads treated north africa like shit they took so many slaves and treated them like second class and caused "the great berber revolt" where the berbers killed all professional arab empire armies, if they treated nafris good muslims would have took france or even italy and finished off spain for sure
>>530440425>the parts of north africa that were under rome or rome influenced were already developing all of that you dumb ignorant niggerProbably in Tunisia. Here, Rome had a few coastal holdings and they were mostly extractive. Volubilis was one of the most intensive olive oil manufacturing hub or the empire.
>>530438813Not true. The Renaissance came to be because so much knowledge left Constantinople after it fell and flowed into Europe especially the Italian states.
>>530440922Nah God was on Iberias side from the very beginning.
>>530440922Precisely what i refered to when i talked about our secession. Ummayads were obsessed with Arabism which led to the Persian influenced Abbassid revolt. Nonetheless, we wouldn't be a thing to begin without that influence. Think of moroccan architecture, moroccan dressing codes, our caftans, our traditional chants, anything. I can pinpoint the oriental influence of it. And most of it is Persian by the way.What that empire did much like other empires was to create a movement of people and influences from one end to another until it started to rot.No need to be emotional about things. See the past for what it is, keep what's good and move on.
>>530438813quite honestly I expect this shit from your flag more than not.>>530439358>like the west..... Egypt would be a hub for civilization under Byzantium.you will never be white, without Islamic conquest you wouldn't have the foundation of science to build the west, before islam came into Egypt it wasn't sunshine and flower faggot + they where Christians and what this anon said >>530440196 islam was essential to Mena and it is now too islam is the only identity that could make the whole Mena unite you dont have another identity that unite Mena as much as muslim. you tribe would still be fighting but for islam
>>530440795>that and without that wave we would be like central Africa.and now with that wave that brought a shitton of subsaharan blood thanks to the arab slave trade the entire place is brazil 0.5 with a bunch of mega mutts
>>530441151While it belongs to the annals of history, the andalucian period was nice and through it, Spain cemented its identity by opposition and gained its fire.
>>530438813they fell to the muslims, because they became so degenerate and corrupt that the muslims beat them. they werent overpowered.
>>530440795>drained of its resources and abusedA bunch of shit they sold for profit enabled by the Roman trade network existing in the first place. Egypt's population during Rome's height and the early Caliphates' is pretty constant. It wasn't an abused backwater at any point. Arguably Egypt was freer than Italy with all of the latter's slave plantations, the labor in Egypt even in the era of state ownership were all tenant farmers. What does get utterly fucked beyond anyone's ability to deny in the Muslim conquests is Africa.
>>530441283That's a thing we'd blame on ourselves. The Levant and mesopotamia which remained under their core influence weren't as nigger shifted.Some of our kings all while deciding to expand and make an empire reached deep in western Africa and brought slaves for their convenience much like the Europeans did in the new world which resulted in what you see today in America or Brazil, or the labor for residence laws that allowed modern migration waves from North Africa and subsaharian Africa to europe today. Neither motivated by eschatology
>>530441249nah , christianity had its own good things , for exemple the church banned cousin marriage but also made laws that made people leave their parents house to work outside , only europe had this in the world no other place has it , so in a way christianity did enforce the democratic and capitalistic way of life in europe , sooner or later they would have surpassed everyone
>>530438813Islam and Christianity are obsessed about evil and good, heaven and hell because they absorbed cosmic dualism that was created in Zoroastrian Persia and which Hebrews brought back from Babylon after they came back from their exile. So Islam and Christianity are basically Zoroastrianism. There was no Mohamed nor any Jesus.
>>530439358>Though I believe without Islam we would be far better,>maybe like the Westretard nigger alert
>>530440852>Andalusian Architecture is founded upon Persian architecture as Andalusia was built upon the Baghdad modelI will partly concede to that, but you don't know that there were new unique creations there ? Surely you know about how our square minarets are different from the others ?see the image, i don't like using ai for proof but it's efficient
>>530439618OP gotta be either a jewish plant or a literal tranny fagg that needs to be beheaded unironically, he's been posting the same thread for mouths now crying about how north africa would've been better off without islam
>>530441457>Levant and mesopotamia which remained under their core influence weren't as nigger shiftedlol they had lots of black slaves, you don't know it cause you don't live there... they even had a fucking revolt
>>530440773>The Copts went on a tearHeraclius and Cyrus were responding to a breakdown in Roman authority/Persian occupation, yes, but the record for Persian Egypt is too damaged to turn that into a clear story of Coptic subversion of Roman authority to justify the even more aggressive persecution of the Copts. Phil Booth elaborates on this more. It was Imperial/Eastern Orthodox mistreatment of the Egyptian church post-Council of Chalcedon which set the stage for Arab invasion and the rise of Islam in the region, and it was completely self inflicted. Today, the churches have reconciled in many ways and have said themselves that it was a pretty retarded hostility. Can't turn back time though.
>>530439332kys jewhaving lived in montreal my whole life, they are the worst uneducated low iq monkeys to deal with next to jews
>>530441393I could be mistaken but every piece of content I've read or watched on the topic alluded at heavy extractive exploitation of the region without much work on local development or benefiting the farmers who were tied to their lands.Taxation was very heavy, almost unbearable for some and many fled to avoid the debt they had to contract to sustain it. I don't see how they could've been any freer than italians. And that came right after the heavy segregation and two tier system of ptolemaic egypt.Arabs did two things that resulted in a great relief. They significantly lowered the rate of taxation and heavily focused on incentivizing private property and redistribution of lands. While romans focused on extractive infrastructure building (which to give it its honors ended up being beneficial afterward when locals could finally benefit from that) the subsequent rulers were more local centric because they were regional governors. They worked among other things on early development of urban water systems..You're the first one i see presenting it as of greater benefit to locals thee than rome was to italians.
>>530441631Yes i know about all that and never denied local creations and there were many. I don't discard the evident and multiple foreign enrichments. Neither oriental simping nor chauvinism are good lenses. They blur one's vision and blind them to historical trurh.
>>530441818I know about the revolt and no they didn't have that many slaves at least not compared to us here and the revolt pretty much ended the attempt to make an economic profit out or them.When the Turks came they brought with them a revival of mass slavery which was mostly directed at europeans.
>>530441921I'm sorry you had to suffer from our obnoxious savages, but i hope you'll believe an anon who tells you we're not all alike, and that the best among a people are those who while capable of moving out of their homes to go settle in more auspicious lands decide to stay nonetheless.
>>530438813Doesn't China prove that, thats objectively not the case.I think all of you here never really cared about Chinese history. So you simply don't know. Or you're going to go "Bug people" or some other crap.China had all the benefits of a somewhat stable empire and like France it assimilated and converted every single minority they had into a Chinese Han Identity. China is basically what every European leader from Alexander the Great all the way to Hittler and todays EU aspire to do one day. Except it was actually done by The Qin Dynasty (221-206 BCE) hence the name China today. They made their own Rome called China and it was remade in countless civil wars but never dissapeared. China is what would have happened to Rome or Alexander the Greats Empire or any Empire made in Europe that had vast land conquests. Cycles of Civil wars and reunification. The fact that China was a technological leader compared to Europe is undispited before it fell into civil wars and imperial non care.Papermaking - Some 80 ADTea Production - 2700 BC (They had caffeine way before Europe)Gunpowder - 800 AD or soPrinting - 1000 ADYet because their society used Logograms instead of letters printing was insanely slow and cumbersome.Because they were unified and only fought barbarians they didn't develop Gunpowder into what Europeans didBecause there was no Chrisanity the need for a mass printed work of religion wasn't there to make paper scale printing a thing.
>>530438813mudslimes are absolutely despicable vermin.Ancient Egypt... completely destroyed. Infuriating!
>>530438813Nobody has really valued technical innovation as much as the American empire. So not sure about that…
>>530442582China also simply had more people then Europe and it still didn't do shit with that.
>>530441974It's because most of Egypt's "monopolies" were all in practice leased out to a bunch of regular farmers and artisans. Italy is famous for big rich Senatorial families loading up on slaves, driving small land owners out of business by undercutting their labor, and then buying up their land expanding their estates. I can't think of anything remotely as exploitative as that happening in Roman Egypt.
>>530442646europe was unique due to christianity and the church , the church ironically trying to scam the peasants by taking their lands when they die has resulted into a society where the young go to search for work away from the familly , about time this made the need for democratic and capitalist law more appealing , this came right in time for colonising huge swath of lands in the americas and other parts of the world + resource luck in britain , britain had coal + iron right in the surface close by , all of this fueled europe , china didnt have all of that
>>530442752>>530442595While Islam and other semitic religions are a curse, i don't think your perspective is correct. I believe Egypt was pretty much already ravaged by both the Ptolemaics and Romans and that, at least in its early stage, the arab rule provided much reliefRefer to this for more and give me your feedback (i don't like to retype the same shit over again and again) :>>530441974>>530442752I see, so there were land leases. But was that a substantial portion of the land? I know that farmers were fleeing because of taxation and debt. Also, you mention slavery in Italy, but wasn't that also a thing in Roman ruled Egypt and pretty much all of north africa as well?
>>530442582China was and is bureaucratic as fuck. You cant advance if you put bureaucrats first. Bureaucrats literaly suppresed some industrial revolution thier inventions in china to preserve the status quo.They made army weak so they cant compete with them they banned exploration under chinese navy because they also feared influence. Europe was never rulled like that up until 20th century. And now its decaying rapidly.
>>530442815>the church ironically trying to scam the peasants by taking their lands when they die has resulted into a society where the young go to search for work away from the famillyThat's not what triggered the boom of Europe. The feudal system and serfdom weren't by any mean a bad cause with good outcomes and people didn't go search for jobs like you say. They worked on the land of the noble that owned it and served him with little differences from slavery and for the artisans they also inherited their work from their parent most of the time.> about time this made the need for democratic and capitalist law more appealingThe correlation you underline does not exist. It wasn't because people were working jobs that the English and French reformed their systems. In both countries it was led by the bourgeoisie of merchants that gained power in the age of colonies and was infuriated by the imbalance in rights granted to noblemen and in France it occured in the convenient circumstance of a severe winter and crop loss which led to a famin and inflated the problem of the extractive system. The peasantry was foundational to that revolt.>this came right in time for colonising huge swath of lands in the americas and other parts of the worldYou're switching the order of events as colonization or America's started first, right after the reconquista and it's catalyst was the desire to circumvent the taxation imposed by muslims who controlled trade routes to india> china didnt have all of thatChina had all the raw resources it needed at its disposal and that was it's curse. Europe lacked all the resources it needed so they needed to venture the seas to get what they want and to clash with others. China isolate itself ane stagnated while Europe was shaped by adversity and forged in fire
>>530439825Middle east was mostly bunch of farmer grain slaves (egypt mesopotamia) + really small nunber of merchant desert semites like arabs.Some kind of slave religion would happen there. But islam solidified that hard and killed any progress. Because obey and shut up principles. Most muslims cant even read and no one sees problem wirh this.Now north africa could have been romanized and be like sicly today. Persia could be zoroastrian. Turks being muslim is pure luck of arab propagandists. They could have been anything else.
>>530443439thats came after , i'm noting about the long evolution from 500 ->1300s AD that led to what you are saying , what you said is right but it didnt happen from nothing>China had all the raw resources it needed at its disposalno they didnt , chinese coal was very far away from their cities and rivers
>>530439500>Arabs were minding their business for centuries until they decided to create a new religion and ruin everything. Islam is a big mystery.Jews created islam. Persia and rome also destroyed themselfs so arabs led by jews could take it all. This would never happen otherwise. Its like a 10 year old beating 3 grown men after they fought each other drunk all night.
>>530443326>China was and is bureaucratic as fuck. You cant advance if you put bureaucrats firstMay i provide a counter argument? I think China has become the opposite of that and that explains in many ways why they are thriving.> bureaucracyBureaucracy is characterized by excessive focus on protocols and slow down of economic initiatives. China does have that, but it's conveniently channeled and used in specific areas of their system, namely when it involves anything that could lead to capital flight and international entanglement. You can deduce the reasons yourself.> the Chinese systemTheir economy and entreprenarial system actually involves a lot less friction than Europe so long as it's from within and their state management will make things much easier for entrepreneurs so long as they invest their efforts on key industries for the central planing. Their ability to take the best talents in a large number of fields and involve them in operational decision making makes it that much morr efficient.In addition to that, it is one of the rare places where you could start a high end type of industrial enterprise without having to do enormous efforts in R&D and vertically building your stack because every aspect of manufacturing even in niche industries is modularized so you can outsource much or the process of say, making a car.
>>530443675>thats came after , i'm noting about the long evolution from 500 ->1300s AD that led to what you are saying , what you said is right but it didnt happen from nothingNo it didn't happen from nothing but it was mostly led by two things. The enormous wealth from the age of explorations which allowed the formation of a bourgeoisie other than nobles that was in many ways as if not more powerful which led to capitalism starting in Great Britain and the high friction of the dysfunctional and highly exploitative system of the period you outline which led to the French revolution which swept Europe and the formation of democraties.>no they didnt , chinese coal was very far away from their cities and riversSo, they did. Most of the resources Europe gathered were even further away and harder to get. The example of Europe and China, at least to me, highlights the blessing in disguise of austerity which leads one to seek what he needs and fight for it versus the curse in disguise of abundance of raw goods which leads to complacency. What do you think?
>>530440638Berbers were always hated by arab rulers because they werent a slave race like ideal muslim subjects. Even if they accepted islam they wouldnt follow it.There is some passage of some arab historian that tells how arrabs cant conquer nor convert mountains and deserts with nomads.
>>530444181Ironically the vast majority of these are Islamic these days.
>>530444001the social system was established first by the church and christianity , then it got fueled and stronger during the colonial wealth of the americas , what you said isnt wrong but its just another part>So, they did. Most of the resources Europe gathered were even further away and harder to get. The example of Europe and China, at least to me, highlights the blessing in disguise of austerity which leads one to seek what he needs and fight for it versus the curse in disguise of abundance of raw goods which leads to complacency. What do you think?i think europe had whats necessary to make weapons and logistics easily and lacked everything else lmao
>>530438813This conflict is perfect description of how the world works. The best and brightest engage in stupid fights or waste their potential dealing with nonsense, while absolute bottom feeders come out of the dessert and hit you in the back while you're not looking. Arabs are the niggers of the Middle East
>>530444181>Berbers were always hated by arab rulers because they werent a slave race like ideal muslim subjectsI'm Moroccan. We were ruled for the most part by berber dynasties. Berbers were an enemy to their own.Let me tell you a story about the almohads. They overruled a very popular dynasty before them, the Almoravids and faced an insurgency from all berber tribes.You know what they did? They genocided the greatest berber confederation, the Barghwata, removed them from the gene pool and then invited a large number of nomadic arabs (far greater than the one that came as a result of the early conquest which was very low) and gave them the most fertile plains of north Africa where Casablanca and Rabat and El Jadida currently are. They traded those lands against an oath to help them subjugate the rebellious berber tribes. Another dynasty imported African slaves to fight the people.
>>530441306It was nice for jews that could enslave christians and sell them as slaves. They also colected taxes and enslaved poeple when they had bad harvest.Great period for jews enslaving europeans.
>>530444352>the social system was established first by the church and christianity , then it got fueled and stronger during the colonial wealth of the americas , what you said isnt wrong but its just another partDefine that system please and explain how it was a catalyst to what you describe> i think europe had whats necessary to make weapons and logistics easily and lacked everything else lmaoEveryone had that. What Europe had that others didn't in that regard was on one side a great reliance on the outside world which pushed them to discover and conquer foreign land and very very brutal and endless wars and infighting which channeled much of the resources into perfecting and refining the art of war. So it not being a monolithic block and it being starved of spices and precious stones and metals, two characteristics that defined it in opposition to China led to growth through adversity
>>530443775>Their economy and entreprenarial system actually involves a lot less friction than Europe so long as it's from within and their state management will make things much easier for entrepreneurs so long as they invest their efforts on key industries for the central planing. Their ability to take the best talents in a large number of fields and involve them in operational decision making makes it that much morr efficient.In addition to that, it is one of the rare places where you could start a high end type of industrial enterprise without having to do enormous efforts in R&D and vertically building your stack because every aspect of manufacturing even in niche industries is modularized so you can outsource much or the process of say, making a car.None of this is an argument. This kind of production is already known by now. And its not a treat to goverment. In the past china had huge number of craftsmen. They could mobilize them etc. Europe is commiting suicide since thats the goal of US and american jews. Its not comparable. China has defacto same system as in past. Factories dont scare bureaucrats anymore but some new inovation might and that inovation will be suppressed.
>>530438813The rise of pisslam is one of the greatest tragedies ever to befall mankind. Asia has had the worst of it so far, but Europe has suffered and things are only getting worse.
>>530441666Well it would now, without a doubt. Same goes for Europe or any other nation with a religion. Fuck being slaves.
>>530438813Shut the fuck up ya murtadd.
>>530441249>ooga booga islam strong
>>530441457That’s something I keep finding puzzling when I watch Moroccan football. Your people are light skinned but you have niggers with arab surnames. How did this abomination occur? Immigration or the proliferation of slaves?
>>530444657well christianity really thrives after the fall of rome in 500 AD onwards , when the church appeared it did some very weird things compared to other places of the world , thats why only europe had such things , the church bascially was scamming in a way , they made the peasants that die return the land to the church itself to win it from them , so this forced people to send theird kids to work outside of home and out of the city , this was the first notion of western individualism since now you had more nuclear families and well you know...of course you cant have your children working for a "stranger" whitout law and rules and this also created the notion of western democracy , democracy came from this and the legacy of rome in a way? once you had democracy + individualism + capitalist thinking established , europe found the americas and you know the story from there thats where you start...this was a long process that took centuries...
>>530444853>Factories dont scare bureaucrats anymore but some new inovation might and that inovation will be suppressed.I don't buy that and you need to really illustrate with an example. There's no industrial and technical innovation that could be perceived by the CCP as a threat to the state. And even if it were, it would still be implemented and channeled to the outer world all while being prohibited or controlled locally in the same way that Tiktok followed very different rules and guardrails compared to Douiyin, it's Chinese branch.>In the past china had huge number of craftsmen. They could mobilize them etc.Maybe so, but i think the analogy is weak. Due to the way the modern industry and economy is so large and complex and due to factors like labor costs and varying margins of benefit for products no country has the whole stack locally but them and even those who do for specific industries like automobile it is not nearly as modular and companies have private property of components and parts of that stack they do not commercially provide outside of the finished good to competing industrialists whereas China can afford having highly specialized factories due to being the factory of the world.. I don't understand how you can compare that with the craftsmen of the past.
>>530444853> Europe is commiting suicide since thats the goal of US and american jews.America wants to turn Europe into a consumer market that only makes services and that inflates their economy. It also makes them completely dependent economy which is the key to political subservience.They started that economic war early on as people were oblivious by doing precisely what China does at an even more aggressive pace than China,namely giving advantages and subventions to scale their industries and try to put European competitors out of business all while making mass acquisitions and throwing money to get European IP or simply to remove all competition. Their private enterprise and state are much more entangled than any European country and funnily kind of similar to China despite the differences.Recently, they switched to more aggressive and direct means of economic war from strong arming Netherlands to imposing sanctions and bullying French companies like Alstom out of their best divisions
>>530445246>That’s something I keep finding puzzling when I watch Moroccan football. Your people are light skinned but you have niggers with arab surnames. How did this abomination occur? Immigration or the proliferation of slaves?The heritage of slavery for the most part.
>>530438813>that time christcuck dogs moved the capital of rome from rome to istanbullol
>>530445246https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haratin
>>530445460this is why europe is more high trust society while everyone else is shitty , asia makes up for this by having a strong sense of collective honor , wich is interesting when you think about it since russia despite being christian had laregly maintained its collective way of thinking because the church didnt take land from the ones that died and why russia feels kindof different , and why communism was more appealing
>>530445460>they made the peasants that die return the land to the church itself to win it from them , so this forced people to send theird kids to work outside of home and out of the cityYes. That's the part where i believe you're wrong in your assumptions. That didn't drive people to the cities or at least it was not what did. What that resulted in os serfdom. Basically slavery with extra steps where a farmer wouldn't own his land and work on church or a nobles land and gain enough to survive all while being totally subservient to them.>this was the first notion of western individualismWestern individualism wasn't a byproduct of Christianity as it was a byproduct of the counter current of enlightenment, the age of explorations, the revolutions that swept Europe starting from France and more important than all, the industrial revolution which is what led to the breaking of nuclear families and people moving to cities (that came long after the period you were refering to). That was were the rural exodus started.>since now you had more nuclear families and well you know...of course you cant have your children working for a "stranger" whitout law and rules and this also created the notion of western democracyThat's speculative at best and not grounded in historical truth. The democracy in Europe wasn't even universal and didn't involve the plebians you describe to begin with and involved a financial contribution. It was spearheaded by the bourgeoisie made up of merchant and jews that had exceedingly enriched themselves and that needed to get rid of the noblemen's excessive advantages on one hand and due to a severe famin in France that led to the peasantry to revolt in large numbers. After what happened in France democracy followed suit in the rest of Europe by means of warfare (Napoleon).The rural exodus came after the French revolution not before
>>530445837>this is why europe is more high trust society while everyone else is shittyI would like to present the theory that Europe is a more high trust society due to economic and educational wealth. The lack of severe incentives for antisocial behavior is the foundation for that. The example i would like to present is Saudi Arabia which is one of the highest trust societies all while lacking the premise of your thesis.
>>530445844but the serfdom of europe were small families that were granted land by the state or church ?? no other place had this , this is still encouraging individualism >Western individualism wasn't a byproduct of Christianity as it was a byproduct of the counter current of enlightenmentthats what normalfags tell you. before enlightenment even hit the church already made it psycologically viable
>>530445973dakchi li katgol rah baaaayn ana rah kanhder lik 3la chi 7wayj makaybanoch walakin rah ta2tir dyalhom kbir , sir 9alab w searchi 3la hadchi li galt lik bach t3ref ach baghi n9ssed
>>530446139>but the serfdom of europe were small families that were granted land by the state or church ?? no other place had this , this is still encouraging individualismReally? How so? And how were they just small families? There were communities of serfs that often revolted due to the abusive taxation of the noble land owners and did so in groups. Generally austerity and hardship tends to make a group more collectivist than individualistic. It would make no sense to have a single family in a home work the land, that would be severely counter productive.Besides, I'd like to highlight the episode of rural exodus during the industrial revolution which is what caused the breaking of family and death of christendom in Europe. I have a parallel for you in our own rural exodus that led to lkaryanat and kids dwelling in the streets and homeless people as well as the grind of the city and reduction of fertility rate and mariages. The same thing happened in cities like London during the industrial revolution. It's not christendom that resulted in individualism but it's dismantling.
>>530446430My bad then S7ab li golti the high trust society was a byproduct of individualism rather than just wealth that's why i presented the counter argument of Saudi arabia which doesn't have individualism at all but disposes of wealth and is a high trust society
>>530446431droni sba3i blktaba hhhhhh
>>530446761hhhhh it's okay ta ana sara7a we can end it there for today it was an unexpected and interesting conversation especially given the shitposting board we're in
Wouldn't have been an issue if Ottomans were allowed to retain the region One or two powers need to control the whole area, not 50 countries and 2000 tribes
>>530438813One of the things I find the saddest about Iran's regime may seem trivial to some, but I think it is cruel and draconian.I am not speaking of human rights abuses, the cruelty of the Revolutionary Guard, or similar...I refer to banning the poems of Omar Khayam, long considered "Iran's National Poet".Why did they ban Omar?He wrote a few passages about the benefits and pleasure of drinking wine.Sad as fuck, petty little greybeards
>>530445461>Song Dynasty’s economic revolutionLook it up they alkost had industrial revolution before industrial revolution. But since it was all controlled by goverment and confucian values obsessed with stability it didnt go further. They had iron production primitive printing press exess food yet nothing.>There's no industrial and technical innovation that could be perceived by the CCP as a threat to the stateAny inovation that makes you imune from the state. A free energy from sun 3d printer that makes everything etc.
>>530448067Having investigated more, it seems that I have been fed some disinformation - he isn't actually BANNED, but his works have allegedly been removed from textbooks and replaced by some modern islamic rubbish about an Iranian killed in Syria (I thought they officially denied having Involvement in Syria?), which sounds like ISIS (call them what you will).There was also a move by some cleric (surprise, surprise) to demolish Omar's tomb in 2025 but cooler heads prevailed.OMAR KHAYAM DEZERVES BETTER, AND SCHOOLKIDS ARE GETTING ''ISIS" PROPAGANDA IN SCHOOLS INSTEAD.Doesn't mean the West has to make war with Iran though Fuck this gay earth.
>>530444481part of the arabs they have relocated there seem to be luwata and hawwara arabized berbers, that's what recent individual dna tests proved
>>530438813damn
>>530444481>shitty ruller takes power>poeple hate him>bring in imigrants/ mercenaries and promote them against natives.
>>530438813Factually false. If they fell sooner, we might have had industrial revolution sooner.
>>530438813The Byzantines were incredibly sadistic. Everything that comes from that meridian is sadistic as hell.
>>530439332nafris are NOT chill, maybe the ones in their own country but fuck their diaspora.
